WEBVTT - KJ Live - Clint Parks 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:10.320 This is kJ Live with Chris john Silli and Chris 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.680 is having conversations with influencers in the sports world and 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:20.520 entertainment in a strain. Now here's Chris Johnson. You're now 0:00:20.560 --> 0:00:24.640 too again to k J Live. I'm your host, Chris Johnson, 0:00:24.680 --> 0:00:29.040 asked Point Forward pro on Twitter. Today's guest on the 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:34.800 show one of the highly regarded trainers in America, has 0:00:34.840 --> 0:00:40.839 worked with several collegiate and NBA and international ball players. 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:44.360 Uh one of the top guys at what he does 0:00:44.400 --> 0:00:47.960 and has worked with Kawhi, Leonard, Kyle Kuzma, Tony Schnell, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.720 and others. Clint Parks. What's up, my man? It's okay, 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.400 j Thanks for having me on it. They all appreciate it. Man, 0:00:55.400 --> 0:00:57.600 it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Man. 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.000 You you helped me kick this whole thing off last year. 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:02.080 And man, what was doing the March Madness, the Lives, 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.080 the coverage, the Wall to Wall and c double A 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:08.680 tournament coverage. Man, Yeah, we definitely gonna bring it back then. 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.480 It should be extremely exciting. Clean. What's you been up to, man, 0:01:11.480 --> 0:01:14.160 what's you been up too lately? Nothing? Just the same old, 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:17.039 same well, just training and you know, dealing with COVID 0:01:17.080 --> 0:01:20.440 like everybody else, things aren't exactly like they were. Obviously, 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.480 they're trying to push back to more towards normal in 0:01:23.520 --> 0:01:26.440 that direction. So that's been positive. But you know, just 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:29.560 the basketball seven, you know how it goes just the 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.480 life of just a basketball junkie. Yeah, And when we 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:36.440 talk about the life of a basketball junckey, man, I 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:38.119 know a lot of people out there kind of they 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:42.160 have an idea about what that looks like, but I 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:43.720 kind of want you to tell us what that looks 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.959 like from when you wake up in the morning, when 0:01:46.000 --> 0:01:48.320 you go to bed. What does a typical day in 0:01:48.400 --> 0:01:51.480 the life of Flint Parks CP s A look like. 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.160 I mean, it's pretty much basketball from the time I 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.440 wake up, whether they're starting to workouts, you know, um 0:01:57.440 --> 0:02:00.280 with my young kids that are on home school right 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.920 now and so got that during the day, and then 0:02:03.200 --> 0:02:06.280 when school gets out in the afternoon, the kids that 0:02:06.320 --> 0:02:09.120 are in railar school kind of transition with them and 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.959 and it's just going NonStop, like and then like a 0:02:12.120 --> 0:02:14.399 night like last night, you know, I have a game 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.360 where I'll go to Lombie State game watch one of 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:19.160 my college kids play shout out to Lombie State Big 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.639 West Conference champs and so um. Yeah, so I'm either 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.200 I'm either training, um, going to a college game, going 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.880 to a high school game, you know, or and you're 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:30.880 just going back to the gym at night. It's pretty 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:34.360 much basketball consumes my life. And I mean for some 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.720 people it's like find balance, do this, but I mean 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:40.560 this has always been this has always been my outlet 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:43.480 and my thing, and I mean it's a positive thing too, 0:02:43.560 --> 0:02:46.760 so I love it. Yeah, it seems like you know, 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.720 you're the type of guy that and then you've come 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.520 to uh, when I was calling games, you came to 0:02:52.880 --> 0:02:54.519 a game at c Sign, I think of the R 0:02:54.639 --> 0:02:56.480 King game. But you're the kind of guy that, you know, 0:02:56.520 --> 0:02:59.400 you really intently are watching the game. You're watching players, 0:02:59.560 --> 0:03:02.960 watching who's you're watching coaches, You're watching pretty much everything 0:03:03.040 --> 0:03:04.720 in the game. How important is it for you to 0:03:04.760 --> 0:03:07.320 go to these games when you're training a player just 0:03:07.360 --> 0:03:10.200 to get a better understanding or grasp of his game 0:03:10.240 --> 0:03:13.239 and what he needs to work on. Well, that's everything 0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.680 go into the game because you have to like you 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:19.360 have to see, okay, like what's working, what's not working, 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:22.160 what tweaks you gotta make when when we're in workouts, 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.400 like what do we need to emphasize more? What are 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.320 we spending too much time on? Like, you know, the 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:28.800 worst thing you could be is you know, this is 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:32.520 a hooper yourself, Like is a workout guy? If you're 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:35.360 don't translate to the game. If if it's not like, 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:37.320 if the work isn't translating to the game, then what 0:03:37.360 --> 0:03:41.920 are we doing? You know, like I you know, nobody 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:46.600 gets paid off the workout. Yeah, so these guys that 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.120 look great in the workouts with nobody there or in 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:52.720 front of some cones. You know, they're hitting every shot, 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:54.960 they're making every play, making every cup. But you put 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:57.000 a body out there, a little bit of defense and 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.520 a couple of refs. The worst, it's the worst, the 0:04:01.560 --> 0:04:04.760 absolute worst. So I can't stand it. So I've always said, 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:06.080 like you got to be able to do it in 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.400 the game, and you know, to be able to break 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:10.800 it down, go to the game and see it. See 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:12.680 what you see what you're doing right, see what you're 0:04:12.680 --> 0:04:16.120 doing wrong. And it's like it's constant evolution from on 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:19.320 their end and my end too because I'm still trying 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.680 to get better. I'm still watching different guys, I'm watching 0:04:21.720 --> 0:04:25.880 workouts on the internet. I'm studying different players. I'm I'm 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.360 just constantly trying to learn, give myself, give my players 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:33.360 that advantage. But we have, you know a lot of 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:41.320 diverse variety of listeners that tune into the show. Um, 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:44.360 when you talk about a player that's a workout player 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.960 or practice player, and and the and that player said 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:53.320 player has issues with translating stuff to the game, how 0:04:53.480 --> 0:04:57.200 do you, as a skill specialist, as a player development guru, 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.680 how do you how do you implement a plan, a 0:04:59.760 --> 0:05:03.400 st strategy for that player to become game ready to 0:05:03.920 --> 0:05:06.080 not be the workout guy anymore? How do you go 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.200 from a workout guy to a game a game guy. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.600 It's hard, but I think the thing I always try 0:05:10.640 --> 0:05:13.039 to focus on is that you know a lot of 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.280 things that you can get off in the workout without 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.520 even if you have like dummy defense, Like the defense 0:05:18.640 --> 0:05:22.520 is changing when the game starts, so you know, more 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:26.839 aggressive defenders physical defenders. Always tell kids, like tell guys 0:05:26.839 --> 0:05:29.839 at every level, you beat good defenders, You beat aggressive 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:33.440 defenders by keeping it simple. They want you to dance, 0:05:33.480 --> 0:05:35.599 they want you to try to mix them and try 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:37.960 to go for the highlight like you're not really like 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.400 against the sound defensive player, you're not really getting no 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:43.240 highlight highlight off, Like you're not about that. You're not 0:05:43.240 --> 0:05:45.680 about to just shake them something crazy. You're gonna have 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.200 to like you're gonna have to beat them with fundamentals, 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:50.920 you know. And so that's what I always try to 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.839 That's why I preach, you know, keeping it simple basics 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.760 so much because the game and the half court, especially 0:05:57.839 --> 0:06:02.040 in college, the floors ball damn on, there's no spacing. Um, 0:06:02.160 --> 0:06:04.440 so your point, you could be playing against some teams 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:09.240 like UM Virginia who send five guys back in transition 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.880 and they're just like they might they might have one 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.960 guy go to the glass for offensive glass. So you're 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.159 not really getting nothing in transition. So your game really 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:20.400 needs to be you know, you need to be good 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:23.080 in tight spaces. You need to be able to make shots. 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:26.520 You need to be you gotta make open shots. And 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:29.280 that's where it starts. And if you're constantly a lot 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:31.680 of guys that are good to work out like they're 0:06:31.720 --> 0:06:35.080 just getting all types of extra moves off, and then 0:06:35.080 --> 0:06:37.839 you gotta I mean, some guys has got a mental block, 0:06:38.320 --> 0:06:41.440 like there's nothing like some guys are just three thirty shooters, 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:49.280 you know. Butter you get seven eight o'clock, the pressure on, 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.000 the lights come on. You know, it's a different type 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.480 of anxiety they might get. And it's just I mean 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.479 it's hard to shake that, it is. Yeah, My pop, 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.960 the Great Marcus Johnson, used to all is kind of 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.040 have a thing about that. You know, he always talked 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:06.120 about when I was coming up. You know, players, you know, 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:11.040 certain players excel without refs, without the smell of popcorn 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:13.840 in the arena, without fans in the stands, without the 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:16.480 lights being on. Some guys, you know, they look all 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:19.080 world with nobody in the gym, but you put a 0:07:19.120 --> 0:07:22.080 body in front of them and an arm check and 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:28.280 it's a whole another story. Um. Staying on development, I 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:33.720 wanted to get your opinion on first high school programs 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:37.040 in the southern California area, which you have seen a 0:07:37.080 --> 0:07:40.400 lot of. Uh, as far as basketball is concerned. What 0:07:40.440 --> 0:07:43.640 do you consider the top two or three high school 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:47.280 basketball programs as far from a development standpoint. Guys that 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.600 go there and you know for a fact that coaches 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:54.000 are working on a daily basis to get them guys better. Hey, 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:58.320 that's a tough question, would you? Okay, I think I'm 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:00.960 sorry to interrupt you, So I think I like Corona 0:08:01.040 --> 0:08:04.640 Centennial and what and what Josh Giles does over there 0:08:04.720 --> 0:08:08.360 as far as how players go in and like you know, 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.040 it seems like they work on a lot of stuff 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:11.600 and then by the time they leave their pretty dog 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:15.840 a good basketball player. Um is would you is there 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:18.680 any other I E. Schools or maybe o C or 0:08:18.720 --> 0:08:22.280 any any programs like that Consentennia, those guys get better, 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:25.440 they have, um that they have a good system set 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:28.320 in place with his assistant former players that are working 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:30.400 with the guys as well, so you can see the 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:34.520 emphasis on development from that standpoint. Um. I don't know 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.920 how much Kleckner does with development, but I just know 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:40.120 over the years, like his guys have they're they're usually 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:45.240 college ready. Defensively, yeah, I don't wanted to play hard, 0:08:45.640 --> 0:08:48.559 you know. Um. Reggie Morris has done a good job 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.480 over the years, developing guards, developing players. I'm preparing them 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.880 for college and helping them get on that track to 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:59.120 them to the next level. Um. Um. Russell White was 0:08:59.160 --> 0:09:02.920 another one. He was really good over the years. You know, 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.120 when he was at Crespy was obviously the Anthony Milton 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:09.840 and Brendan Williams and the NBA now as well. Um, 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:14.400 David Biebo, he's um, he's doing his thing at Harvard Westlake. 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:19.200 You know. You know Moose gets guys better. You know, 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:21.760 Um that Brent Wood. You're dealing with a different type 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:23.839 of kid, but he does a good job coaching them 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.240 up and and developing the guy. I mean, there's so 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.080 many coaches out here. I know this is, but there's 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:31.280 there's a lot of there's a lot of really good 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:35.319 I mean, um, I think in the Orange County, I'm 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:41.480 not really oh see, guy, like I don't know, I 0:09:41.480 --> 0:09:43.760 don't know the land of the land like that, you know, 0:09:43.840 --> 0:09:46.760 so I can't really speak to what over the years, 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:51.959 you know, how the basketball is the development wise, when 0:09:53.559 --> 0:09:56.400 like when you were working with middle school kids, you 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:58.400 work with a lot of them. You've got some pretty 0:09:58.440 --> 0:10:02.000 good players and parents are coming you seeking out your 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:06.480 advice for schools, you know, for programs or to continue 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:10.000 their basketball and athletic journey on the next level. What 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:14.320 factors in a program do you sort of take into 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:18.800 account when you give advice to parents. The first thing 0:10:18.840 --> 0:10:22.520 is what level of player are you you know, that's 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:25.720 where the honesty has to start. Like what are you? 0:10:25.760 --> 0:10:27.960 Are you somebody that's gonna play varsity as a freshman? 0:10:28.200 --> 0:10:30.400 Are you gonna play JV? Are you gonna play a freshman? 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.000 So we've got to separate that right there, you know. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:36.880 So say you're a varsity player, so everybody pretty much 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.040 knows me if you're a kid that's going to be 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.840 playing varsity as a freshman, I'm going where I'm going 0:10:41.880 --> 0:10:44.960 to have a role, big role, preferably the ball in 0:10:45.040 --> 0:10:49.800 hands and be able to play through mistakes and um, 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:53.880 learn on the floor because you get better. Um, Like 0:10:54.200 --> 0:10:57.840 developing and training is like this is like that's my livelihood, right, 0:10:58.280 --> 0:11:02.040 But the most importan in peace to development is live reps. 0:11:02.920 --> 0:11:06.600 I'm no dummy, you know, Like we could drill workout 0:11:06.640 --> 0:11:08.840 all day, but if you don't get you a live reps, 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.200 you're not in a situation where you can play the mistakes. 0:11:11.520 --> 0:11:15.600 Then your development is going to be studied. Right. So 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:18.920 that's like, Okay, how does the coach play and what's 0:11:18.920 --> 0:11:22.520 his style of play? What's his um what's his m O? 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:26.600 How is he you know, um with um young players? 0:11:27.000 --> 0:11:29.640 Does he have a does he feel comfortable playing young 0:11:29.720 --> 0:11:31.679 guards or is he like oh, is he like a 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:35.160 guy like oh, I gotta give my seniors, you know, 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:38.400 like you gotta you got you gotta ask honest you 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:43.480 you gotta really evaluate the situation, um, evaluate the style 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.120 of play, all of that, and you gotta be honest. 0:11:46.559 --> 0:11:49.880 Like I'm always honest with coaches up front, like what 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:52.400 I what what I'm expecting, Like, okay, you tell me 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:54.640 what you're expecting where you're at, Like, I don't want 0:11:54.640 --> 0:11:56.440 there to be no surprise. I always tell people I'm 0:11:56.440 --> 0:11:59.520 not a little kid. I don't like surprises. Yeah, don't 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:03.400 surprise me with nothing mid season because then I'm gonna 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:07.280 be an issue. You told me one thing and you're 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.000 doing another thing. Problem, it's a problem. I don't know 0:12:10.200 --> 0:12:12.400 what I'm saying. Like if I'm like, you know what, 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:16.480 you're gonna get me, but that's no, I didn't mean 0:12:16.520 --> 0:12:18.440 to cut you off. But on the same hand, on 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:22.880 token Clint, like you know, coaches, especially in the high 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:25.960 school level, I mean, you promise kids anything as far 0:12:26.000 --> 0:12:28.839 as playing time, it becomes problematic because there's a lot 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:32.280 of dynamics and factors that could change between that day 0:12:32.559 --> 0:12:34.560 and by the time practice to go through through summer 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:37.720 league and you know, fall practice and all that. The 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.880 kid may just not be good enough. And so you know, 0:12:41.080 --> 0:12:43.040 we didn't know that. We thought he was good enough 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:45.200 before you got us. You gassed us up telling us 0:12:45.240 --> 0:12:47.240 he was this and that, and he clint real quick. 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.120 He turned out not to be like that. Now you're 0:12:49.160 --> 0:12:51.920 giving me problems because I'm not playing them. How does 0:12:51.960 --> 0:12:54.720 that work? Bro? But I don't see. I can't relate 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:58.160 to that because I don't gas. I don't gass up, 0:12:58.360 --> 0:13:02.280 because that's when you gass up, then you run into that. Yeah, 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.199 you know what I'm saying, like, don't gas. If you 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.480 don't gas on the front end, then you're not getting up. 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:08.640 You know, Like Larry Shy used to tell me all 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:13.640 the time, under sail under promise over deliver, you know, 0:13:14.120 --> 0:13:17.000 don't don't promise more than you can deliver. Like if 0:13:17.040 --> 0:13:20.120 you're just honest and straightforward like from the Jump Street, 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:23.680 then there's no issues. Like I remember years ago, I 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:27.400 had Jeremy Lieberman. You get the kid played Calibass's wyoming. 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:30.480 He was good. We had went to Cresby and I 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.840 took him like he was eighth grade and they had 0:13:32.920 --> 0:13:35.320 London they had, they already had like London promtists there. 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:36.559 I don't know if he was think he was like 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:39.600 a grade older and you know, Rust just told me 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.360 what it was like. Would love to have him, you know, 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.240 but I got a point guard a year ahead of him, 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:47.920 Like so you know what I'm saying, Like he's gonna 0:13:47.920 --> 0:13:50.280 have to play behind him and learn, and like I 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.880 was like, damn, you know, but I respected that because 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.920 Russ was real with me, and so I was like, Okay, 0:13:56.960 --> 0:13:59.920 we're going to calabasss like it's not this is not 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.360 and me and rest remain cool. You know the past. 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:05.240 This is twelve years ago. We remain cool all that time. 0:14:05.240 --> 0:14:08.120 But just that little bit of honesty and letting me 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:10.679 know exactly what it was and where he was went 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:14.120 a long way. It saved a friend ship possibly, like 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:16.240 you know, like it saved a lot of drama in 0:14:16.280 --> 0:14:19.360 the middle because you up front and that's all you 0:14:19.400 --> 0:14:23.200 can ask. Yeah. Communication is key, man, It's it's the 0:14:23.280 --> 0:14:26.160 key thing to everything. Dog. And if somebody keeps it 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:29.080 real with you from jump and there are no surprises, 0:14:29.200 --> 0:14:30.920 I mean you're gonna handle it a lot better. I mean, 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:32.840 you knew what it was. You might not like it, 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:34.760 but it's like you gotta revert back to, Okay, this 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.040 is what he said it was gonna be. And it's 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:41.120 it's amazing too when you, you know, hear all the 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.960 stories about how how many parents and people go through 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:47.080 those issues with coaches and how many people have that 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:50.440 situation where they were promised something that didn't happen. But 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:53.960 but staying on that topic, sort of the you know, 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.640 the grassroots dynamics and drama of the high school era, 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:04.000 how do you think, Yeah, you're out here in l A. 0:15:04.480 --> 0:15:07.000 We have a couple of high profile programs. Some of 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:09.360 the players on those programs are pretty high profile on 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.040 their own right, millions of followers on social media, you know, 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:16.800 big time type guys. How do you think this generation 0:15:16.840 --> 0:15:21.920 of Southern California Hoopers handles all the attention, the fact 0:15:22.000 --> 0:15:24.280 that these guys are now signing n I L deals 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:26.720 in high school. You got guys you know, beats by 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:29.160 Dre and Lebron's son and you know these guys out 0:15:29.160 --> 0:15:31.560 here Sierra Canyon and all that. How do you think 0:15:32.280 --> 0:15:36.960 this the generation, the mindset today of this generation handles 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.920 all of what we would have considered extras back in 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.120 the day. I mean, I think they do a pretty 0:15:44.120 --> 0:15:46.920 good job as a whole. You know, there's some that 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:49.760 are a little more loose than others. It's just hard, like, 0:15:50.240 --> 0:15:52.000 you know, we probably would all you know, I'll tell 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:53.960 people I said, I probably would be tripping out a 0:15:54.000 --> 0:15:56.760 little bit. Who going through that myself getting some of that, 0:15:56.840 --> 0:15:59.360 like all the extras that these kids have come in 0:15:59.400 --> 0:16:03.440 their way, um because of their talent, you know. And 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:05.720 I think it's just I think the ones that deal 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:07.720 with the best are the ones that have people around 0:16:07.720 --> 0:16:10.320 them that are helped be able to help them filter 0:16:10.480 --> 0:16:13.000 what's real and what's not and at the same time 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:16.440 stay level headed. And I'm starting to feel like this 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:21.640 generation is was born to be able to handle extras 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:24.880 better than us. When you think about my kids, you know, 0:16:24.920 --> 0:16:27.000 they had iPhones when they were five, six years old, 0:16:27.360 --> 0:16:30.680 seven years old, so they've been technology based from jump. 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.360 So I can't sit there with my old school thinking, 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:35.160 you know, hey, get off your phone. You know, don't 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:36.880 be looking at your phone before practice. No, I mean, 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.040 if he's gonna look at his phone, it's fine because 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.640 it doesn't take him out of his lock in. Because 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:46.200 that is who they are. I think you find in 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:49.720 our culture you got the old heads versus young heads. 0:16:49.800 --> 0:16:51.520 You got the kind of the old way of doing it, 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:56.080 and these old sort of ideologies about basketball. I think 0:16:56.120 --> 0:16:58.960 it's time to start to put things into context and 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.800 accept the generation for who they are and understand that 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.560 they can't do it like us and we couldn't have 0:17:03.560 --> 0:17:07.040 did it like them. No, that's true. You're exactly right. 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:10.080 You know, you're exactly right. You know, some old heads 0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:12.320 are gonna be stuck in their ways. I think the 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.399 old head problem is when you know you're caught up 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:18.119 in the extras, so to speak, and then the game 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:21.199 isn't the game isn't matching up with the extras. You know, 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.080 that really irks a lot of old heads. Like a 0:17:24.080 --> 0:17:27.000 lot of old heads like that are that understand both sides. 0:17:27.160 --> 0:17:29.439 They're like, I get it, because they had some extras 0:17:29.440 --> 0:17:31.359 to them too. It was just different extras back in 0:17:31.400 --> 0:17:33.920 the day. It wasn't like they gonna know extras. That 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:38.120 extra just changed. So it's like, Okay, the extras are shot. 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.240 We're talking about your extras more than your game. You know. 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:44.600 That's when the old heads get beefy. Okay, So now 0:17:44.640 --> 0:17:46.840 you're not really you're out there like you don't really 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:49.960 love the game. You know, it's like the old like 0:17:50.119 --> 0:17:53.240 Robin who was more extra than Robman. She knew when 0:17:53.280 --> 0:17:55.480 the game, when the game hit. You know, he was 0:17:55.520 --> 0:17:58.960 twenty rebounds and he was hard, he was playing defense, 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.960 the whole nine. A lot of these dudes they get 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:05.280 they get the fame or whatever, and then it's just extras. 0:18:06.000 --> 0:18:09.680 They just ain't not looking the same. And then it's like, Okay, 0:18:10.000 --> 0:18:12.480 that's that. That's where the disconnect is, Like, come on now. 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:15.920 Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:18.960 the nation. Catch all of our shows at Fox Sports 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:22.160 Radio dot com and within the I Heart Radio app 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:26.520 search f s R to listen live. Yeah, no, it's 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:30.360 a disconnect. But I also think that overwhelmingly old heads 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:35.879 have I guess I call it jealousy envy towards the 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.280 younger generation because you know, of the attention and the 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.600 level of ease, it seems like things are given and 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:45.600 handed and and then that might not be the case. 0:18:45.800 --> 0:18:48.280 It's like we act like these kids, old heads act 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:50.400 like these kids aren't working hard. I'm busting their ass, 0:18:50.440 --> 0:18:52.199 didn't have the same goals. I'm getting up at five, 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:53.399 and some of them are getting up at five. And 0:18:53.440 --> 0:18:55.159 the more you know they're doing the same thing. They 0:18:55.200 --> 0:18:57.760 just got cell phones and gets on social media. Now 0:18:57.760 --> 0:19:00.800 they get old hands just want their flowers. That's it. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:03.520 They just want the pay. They just want to hear 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.680 the the young hand saying name, you know, you paved 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:08.120 the way first to get this big bag. Hey, even 0:19:08.160 --> 0:19:11.280 if you don't need it, just say what I'm saying. 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.160 They just want their respect, that said, because the money, 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:17.280 the money is so much different now and so you know, 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:19.040 like you looked up and you're like, man, I was 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.520 so much better than what we're seeing now. And so 0:19:21.560 --> 0:19:24.440 they're like, man, like, we we paved the way for 0:19:24.520 --> 0:19:26.720 y'all to get this money. And so when they feel 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:30.520 like they're not respected, that's why you see like, um, 0:19:30.640 --> 0:19:33.199 so many of the young dudes love Bubba Chuck Irish 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:36.080 and so much because Irish and so so much love 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:39.960 to the to this generation of Hooper like he always 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:42.240 just so loved to where you see Oakley get on 0:19:42.280 --> 0:19:45.000 the on the podcast and he like, your honest is 0:19:45.000 --> 0:19:48.760 a weak Let's touch on that. Let's touch on that. 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:53.000 So Oakley said, you're honest if you honest played back 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:55.600 in the eighties and nineties. In that era, he'd be 0:19:56.280 --> 0:19:59.080 a role player, a bench guy. He wouldn't be m 0:19:59.160 --> 0:20:04.760 v P A are Now, I have a thought process 0:20:04.880 --> 0:20:06.400 behind it, and I want you to hear me out. 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:10.199 Oakley is talking about the physicality of the game now. 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:15.240 When whatever we discussed physical and skill, the conversation always 0:20:15.280 --> 0:20:20.439 gets um murky. I would call it murky because people 0:20:20.480 --> 0:20:25.040 don't want to ever acknowledge or address the actual consequences 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:31.000 and effects of physical play of eighties, nineties physical player Clint. Nowadays, 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.920 it's it's refs, it's people, it's video reviews, it's all 0:20:35.000 --> 0:20:37.560 types of stuff that you cannot do that you're gonna 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:40.240 be busted with. And this is a valid point. There 0:20:40.359 --> 0:20:42.000 was a time, believe it or not. This is to 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:43.960 the audience, the younger members of the audience. There was 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:47.240 a time when basketball was played by guys that was 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:49.440 trying to hurt you, the guys that would go out 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.240 and do things purposely to hurt you, and there really 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:54.000 wasn't much you could do about it but try to 0:20:54.040 --> 0:20:57.600 finish the game in fear. This is what Oakley is 0:20:57.640 --> 0:21:01.040 referring to. He's challenging the man of Johannest. He's saying 0:21:01.080 --> 0:21:03.399 Joannice as a man, as the kid that grew up 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:06.000