Speaker 1: I guess people talked about me on The Ultimate Girls Trip,
Speaker 1: which has become a combination of good, solid workhorse, iconic
Speaker 1: Housewives and Fired Housewives, which is interesting because it seems
Speaker 1: like on some of the casts it's really all fired housewives,
Speaker 1: and those are shit shows because they're just so desperate
Speaker 1: to rate and that's when it gets really crazy. But
Speaker 1: I heard there was some discussion about Scary Island and
Speaker 1: the Pirate and Kelly and that Sonya and I do
Speaker 1: still speak, which we do, and I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just like Sonia and while we've had our moments, very
Speaker 1: few and far between, I've always liked her. I remember
Speaker 1: the season I came back, everyone trying to tell me
Speaker 1: kind of to not like her and how nuts she was,
Speaker 1: and there's just something endearing about her. She's trying to
Speaker 1: survive and she's always working to like support her daughter,
Speaker 1: and she's the ultimate single mom. She plays the game,
Speaker 1: she's grateful for the gig, she likes the gig. She's
Speaker 1: always coming back, she's honest about it. She's part of
Speaker 1: the fabric of housewives. She's funny. You just like someone
Speaker 1: from the inside, like you know that you like them.
Speaker 1: There are different feelings that I have about different housewives
Speaker 1: where I know that I like them, you know, And
Speaker 1: I do have that for certain people. And like I've
Speaker 1: said before, I've gotten to know housewives way more since
Speaker 1: being on the show and not and without naming names,
Speaker 1: there are a handful of housewives I can think of,
Speaker 1: like four to five that text me for advice and
Speaker 1: like to give them motivation and to put things in
Speaker 1: perspective and to help them, and I'm grateful for it
Speaker 1: and I'm happy to do it where I feel like
Speaker 1: when I was in the machine and out of the
Speaker 1: machine and in the machine but still part of the machine,
Speaker 1: I didn't really have that kind of relationship with other
Speaker 1: housewives because I don't know, I just felt like it
Speaker 1: was always going to come and sting you somehow, or
Speaker 1: be part of the show, or I just never feel comfortable,
Speaker 1: which is why when Kathy asked what to do about
Speaker 1: being a new housewife, I declined, and when declined talking
Speaker 1: about it, same thing with Jenna Lyons, who I don't know,
Speaker 1: but we have a friend in common. But now I
Speaker 1: talk to housewives and I really believe that I give
Speaker 1: them really solid advice that helps them, and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'm just grateful for the position that I'm in now
Speaker 1: where I just feel differently about it. I don't have anger,
Speaker 1: I don't resent it. I just it's like somebody that
Speaker 1: I used to know. It's getting so much further. I
Speaker 1: dug back in a little because of the reality reckoning.
Speaker 1: But I'm not living there at all.
Speaker 2: And it's just a place that I used to live.
Speaker 1: And you know, once in a while you drive by
Speaker 1: it on the highway and you say, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I used to live there, but you really don't live
Speaker 1: there anymore. It's very interesting and so and you have
Speaker 1: compassion for other people going through challenging things that are there,
Speaker 1: and you also I also validate and respect people needing
Speaker 1: to and wanting to be there, because it's not that
Speaker 1: easy for a woman of a certain age to get
Speaker 1: a gig to start over. You know, in many cases
Speaker 1: that was their second act. They're married or divorced or.
Speaker 2: Just don't have their own thing. And it's like a job.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it's a job that someone that you
Speaker 1: can create value and you can make money there. So
Speaker 1: interesting that Ramona went to the premiere of her show,
Speaker 1: so she had been in a time out and couldn't
Speaker 1: go to Bravocon, presumably also because the Reality Reckoning was
Speaker 1: like white hot right then, and so she was asked not.
Speaker 2: To go to Bravocon. So the word on the street
Speaker 2: is that.
Speaker 1: She wasn't invited to her premiere when she went, because
Speaker 1: she's in the show, and if the show is gonna
Speaker 1: air her, then why shouldn't she go to the premiere.
Speaker 2: It just all seems crazy. The thing is.
Speaker 1: Ramona's Ramona, and she'll show up and that she's the
Speaker 1: ultimate gas lighter, Like she could go there and do
Speaker 1: a bunch of high kicks and actually succeed in making
Speaker 1: everyone forget about the last thing that happened. I would
Speaker 1: be hiding on a deserted island, but Ramona has that gift.
Speaker 2: She's always had that gift.
Speaker 1: She'll just be like she just plows on through the
Speaker 1: last bad thing that happened, and so then she'll be
Speaker 1: on that show and ultimately nobody cares about any of
Speaker 1: this stuff. Like it's so crazy. Where the line is
Speaker 1: because Brandy where nothing was proven and I think it's
Speaker 1: alleged she was not invited to Bravo Khan and they
Speaker 1: might not.
Speaker 2: Air her show.
Speaker 1: But the Ramona Show is airing, and Ramona went to
Speaker 1: the premiere. It's like it kind of just depends on
Speaker 1: the day of the week, Like it really just everyone
Speaker 1: just decides the way the wind blows and everyone can
Speaker 1: do whatever they want because it doesn't matter what you do.
Speaker 1: You can get back on that field, you really can,
Speaker 1: Like I short of me, I mean Nini could get
Speaker 1: back on that field. Jill Zarin could get back on
Speaker 1: that field. Fade Rug got back on that field. Uh,
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what you do. Like, that's not the
Speaker 1: land of where it matters. Honesty doesn't matter, like racism
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Getting in trouble for something doesn't matter. Saying
Speaker 1: someone drugs somebody, and like a defamation of character doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: Doing drugs doesn't matter. Most things don't matter. So in
Speaker 1: the overall context, it makes sense that Ramona would be
Speaker 1: there because if you think about everything everybody else has
Speaker 1: done and gotten away with, which can be brushed under
Speaker 1: the rug of that's who they really are. It's a
Speaker 1: reality show like that can be because when are you
Speaker 1: gonna play how do you say we have to have
Speaker 1: these people be who they are actually are in reality,
Speaker 1: but then fire them for being who they actually are.
Speaker 1: In reality, it feels like Bravo picks and chooses who
Speaker 1: gets fired for what and where, And I don't know
Speaker 1: where the line is and how you decide what stays in,
Speaker 1: what stays out, what is okay because you're a real person.
Speaker 1: Because people get hired for being a disaster, or for
Speaker 1: controversial views, or for being like the type of person
Speaker 1: is going to say something very stupid. But then you
Speaker 1: say something very stupid and then if the media picks
Speaker 1: up on it and they think it's wrong, then you
Speaker 1: get let go. But it's the very thing that you
Speaker 1: are hired for, is what you get in trouble for
Speaker 1: and get let go. And it's the very thing you
Speaker 1: are hired for that you are provoked to do. Like
Speaker 1: Brandy was completely you know, provoked to be who she
Speaker 1: always has been. That's made her rate the zero fox,
Speaker 1: the controversial, the talking about someone's vagina, the you know,
Speaker 1: the getting wasted, the being the trade wreck. That's what
Speaker 1: she's known for. People always want Derinda to get wasted.
Speaker 1: People wanted Leah to burn the tiki torches, but then
Speaker 1: if she burned them too hot, then she would get
Speaker 1: kicked off for the very thing that she was on
Speaker 1: the show for and egged on for, and I know
Speaker 1: because I've been there. It's like, oh my god, let's see.
Speaker 1: You know that Luann's gonna start drinking, so hopefully we'll
Speaker 1: have some drinks and then that will happen, like that's
Speaker 1: what they root for. Then it happens, and then you
Speaker 1: know we're not taking addiction seriously. So then somebody gets
Speaker 1: fired or like there's a statement issue. It's kind of bullshit,
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of bullshit. It's a pressure cooker, a
Speaker 1: design for drama, and then when there's drama, that's when
Speaker 1: the trouble happens. Like it's the whole nature of the
Speaker 1: crazy beast. Should the kids be part of this? Should
Speaker 1: the kids be held to the same standards if they're
Speaker 1: over twenty one they're participating in the show or the
Speaker 1: kid's fair game. Should adults be fighting with the kids?
Speaker 1: Should kids be allowed to shoot when the parents are
Speaker 1: just signing them away and kind of making them shoot,
Speaker 1: and then if they shoot, should they not be compensated?
Speaker 1: And some trust fund, some college fund? Because I know
Speaker 1: that Ali Zarn The minute she turned eighteen, Jill wanted
Speaker 1: to get her paid because she was an adult and
Speaker 1: they had to pay her if she filmed, and they
Speaker 1: wouldn't put her in any scenes. And Jill wanted to
Speaker 1: get her paid something for all the years that she
Speaker 1: had worked, but no, And then, like Dina, Manzo's daughter
Speaker 1: was basically crying, saying her whole life was changed and
Speaker 1: formed by stupid things she said that she doesn't agree
Speaker 1: with when she was thirteen, because you know, I'd say
Speaker 1: to my daughter, you can't say that, whatever the thing is,
Speaker 1: you can't say that, Like kids don't know they're kids,
Speaker 1: So should they be on these shows? You know, without compensation.
Speaker 1: Their parents are saying they have to be on the shows,
Speaker 1: but without compensation. It's a very interesting topic and common.
Speaker 1: And yeah, someone like a Jen Shaw is a pariah now,
Speaker 1: but everything she is is everything the Housewives wants, living
Speaker 1: beyond her means. Check renting different houses to make it
Speaker 1: look good for the show. So that's a great storyline
Speaker 1: that other people will then criticize. Check all the labels
Speaker 1: ABCDEFG can't even afford them.
Speaker 2: Many of them are fake. Does it even matter? Check?
Speaker 1: Like larger than Life, you'd know something doesn't smell right,
Speaker 1: It just something stinks in suburbia. You know, hence there's
Speaker 1: something illegal. Check Salahi's broke into the White House. Check
Speaker 1: Luanne gets arrested. Check check Tinsley had a mugshot. Check
Speaker 1: Leah is a recovering attict. Check Derinda likes to tie
Speaker 1: one on and get wasted. Check Like it's like, what
Speaker 1: do we want from these people? And what happens after?
Speaker 1: How crazy about the woman from Orange County? You guys
Speaker 1: will know she had two daughters. One was sexually assaulted
Speaker 1: by the police and she won a case. I mean,
Speaker 1: stuff goes on with these kids. I don't know that
Speaker 1: many kids that have crazy lives like this, So there
Speaker 1: has to be some effect, like the Housewives effect, the
Speaker 1: kimm You're gonna say the Kim and Kroi thing is
Speaker 1: not the Housewives effect. Keeping up with the Joneses all
Speaker 1: show and no go, starting with Big Papa and having
Speaker 1: to show everyone how rich we are and have the
Speaker 1: big ring and the big car and the big house,
Speaker 1: and then literally the demise be about the big ring,
Speaker 1: in the big car, in the big house and trying
Speaker 1: to sell luxury goods and gambling and trying to keep
Speaker 1: up with the Joneses and Kroy repeatedly saying like they
Speaker 1: don't got it like that, and then they both crack
Speaker 1: like money can be the root of all evil. But
Speaker 1: The Housewives is the place where you have to show
Speaker 1: that you.
Speaker 2: Have the most money.
Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna name names, but there are people
Speaker 1: on Beverly Hills and have habitually and traditionally been people
Speaker 1: on Beverly Hills that look really rich that don't got
Speaker 1: it like that. You know, they got to pull together
Speaker 1: their best wares for shooting, but they don't got it
Speaker 1: like that. And they're borrowing from Peter to pay Paul
Speaker 1: and it's not cute.