1 00:00:11,000 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 1: I guess people talked about me on The Ultimate Girls Trip, 2 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 1: which has become a combination of good, solid workhorse, iconic 3 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: Housewives and Fired Housewives, which is interesting because it seems 4 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: like on some of the casts it's really all fired housewives, 5 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: and those are shit shows because they're just so desperate 6 00:00:34,159 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: to rate and that's when it gets really crazy. But 7 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: I heard there was some discussion about Scary Island and 8 00:00:41,320 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: the Pirate and Kelly and that Sonya and I do 9 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 1: still speak, which we do, and I don't know. I 10 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: just like Sonia and while we've had our moments, very 11 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: few and far between, I've always liked her. I remember 12 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: the season I came back, everyone trying to tell me 13 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: kind of to not like her and how nuts she was, 14 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: and there's just something endearing about her. She's trying to 15 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:09,839 Speaker 1: survive and she's always working to like support her daughter, 16 00:01:10,440 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 1: and she's the ultimate single mom. She plays the game, 17 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: she's grateful for the gig, she likes the gig. She's 18 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: always coming back, she's honest about it. She's part of 19 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: the fabric of housewives. She's funny. You just like someone 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: from the inside, like you know that you like them. 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: There are different feelings that I have about different housewives 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: where I know that I like them, you know, And 23 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: I do have that for certain people. And like I've 24 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: said before, I've gotten to know housewives way more since 25 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: being on the show and not and without naming names, 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: there are a handful of housewives I can think of, 27 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: like four to five that text me for advice and 28 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: like to give them motivation and to put things in 29 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: perspective and to help them, and I'm grateful for it 30 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: and I'm happy to do it where I feel like 31 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 1: when I was in the machine and out of the 32 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 1: machine and in the machine but still part of the machine, 33 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 1: I didn't really have that kind of relationship with other 34 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: housewives because I don't know, I just felt like it 35 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: was always going to come and sting you somehow, or 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,560 Speaker 1: be part of the show, or I just never feel comfortable, 37 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: which is why when Kathy asked what to do about 38 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 1: being a new housewife, I declined, and when declined talking 39 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: about it, same thing with Jenna Lyons, who I don't know, 40 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,920 Speaker 1: but we have a friend in common. But now I 41 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: talk to housewives and I really believe that I give 42 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: them really solid advice that helps them, and I don't know, 43 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm just grateful for the position that I'm in now 44 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: where I just feel differently about it. I don't have anger, 45 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:44,400 Speaker 1: I don't resent it. I just it's like somebody that 46 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: I used to know. It's getting so much further. I 47 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: dug back in a little because of the reality reckoning. 48 00:02:50,040 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: But I'm not living there at all. 49 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,400 Speaker 2: And it's just a place that I used to live. 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: And you know, once in a while you drive by 51 00:02:58,040 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: it on the highway and you say, oh my god, 52 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 1: I used to live there, but you really don't live 53 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:05,399 Speaker 1: there anymore. It's very interesting and so and you have 54 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: compassion for other people going through challenging things that are there, 55 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:14,920 Speaker 1: and you also I also validate and respect people needing 56 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: to and wanting to be there, because it's not that 57 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,160 Speaker 1: easy for a woman of a certain age to get 58 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: a gig to start over. You know, in many cases 59 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: that was their second act. They're married or divorced or. 60 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,919 Speaker 2: Just don't have their own thing. And it's like a job. 61 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 1: It's you know, it's a job that someone that you 62 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,800 Speaker 1: can create value and you can make money there. So 63 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:46,080 Speaker 1: interesting that Ramona went to the premiere of her show, 64 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,040 Speaker 1: so she had been in a time out and couldn't 65 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: go to Bravocon, presumably also because the Reality Reckoning was 66 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: like white hot right then, and so she was asked not. 67 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: To go to Bravocon. So the word on the street 68 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 2: is that. 69 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 1: She wasn't invited to her premiere when she went, because 70 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: she's in the show, and if the show is gonna 71 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: air her, then why shouldn't she go to the premiere. 72 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 2: It just all seems crazy. The thing is. 73 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: Ramona's Ramona, and she'll show up and that she's the 74 00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: ultimate gas lighter, Like she could go there and do 75 00:04:14,280 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 1: a bunch of high kicks and actually succeed in making 76 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: everyone forget about the last thing that happened. I would 77 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: be hiding on a deserted island, but Ramona has that gift. 78 00:04:22,920 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 2: She's always had that gift. 79 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: She'll just be like she just plows on through the 80 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,279 Speaker 1: last bad thing that happened, and so then she'll be 81 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: on that show and ultimately nobody cares about any of 82 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: this stuff. Like it's so crazy. Where the line is 83 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: because Brandy where nothing was proven and I think it's 84 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: alleged she was not invited to Bravo Khan and they 85 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: might not. 86 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 2: Air her show. 87 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: But the Ramona Show is airing, and Ramona went to 88 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 1: the premiere. It's like it kind of just depends on 89 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: the day of the week, Like it really just everyone 90 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: just decides the way the wind blows and everyone can 91 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 1: do whatever they want because it doesn't matter what you do. 92 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: You can get back on that field, you really can, 93 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: Like I short of me, I mean Nini could get 94 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: back on that field. Jill Zarin could get back on 95 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: that field. Fade Rug got back on that field. Uh, 96 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what you do. Like, that's not the 97 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: land of where it matters. Honesty doesn't matter, like racism 98 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Getting in trouble for something doesn't matter. Saying 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:23,559 Speaker 1: someone drugs somebody, and like a defamation of character doesn't matter. 100 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:40,760 Speaker 1: Doing drugs doesn't matter. Most things don't matter. So in 101 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: the overall context, it makes sense that Ramona would be 102 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 1: there because if you think about everything everybody else has 103 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: done and gotten away with, which can be brushed under 104 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 1: the rug of that's who they really are. It's a 105 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: reality show like that can be because when are you 106 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: gonna play how do you say we have to have 107 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: these people be who they are actually are in reality, 108 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,760 Speaker 1: but then fire them for being who they actually are. 109 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:09,599 Speaker 1: In reality, it feels like Bravo picks and chooses who 110 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: gets fired for what and where, And I don't know 111 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: where the line is and how you decide what stays in, 112 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: what stays out, what is okay because you're a real person. 113 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: Because people get hired for being a disaster, or for 114 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: controversial views, or for being like the type of person 115 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: is going to say something very stupid. But then you 116 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 1: say something very stupid and then if the media picks 117 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: up on it and they think it's wrong, then you 118 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: get let go. But it's the very thing that you 119 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: are hired for, is what you get in trouble for 120 00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 1: and get let go. And it's the very thing you 121 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: are hired for that you are provoked to do. Like 122 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: Brandy was completely you know, provoked to be who she 123 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 1: always has been. That's made her rate the zero fox, 124 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: the controversial, the talking about someone's vagina, the you know, 125 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 1: the getting wasted, the being the trade wreck. That's what 126 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 1: she's known for. People always want Derinda to get wasted. 127 00:07:03,480 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: People wanted Leah to burn the tiki torches, but then 128 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 1: if she burned them too hot, then she would get 129 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: kicked off for the very thing that she was on 130 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: the show for and egged on for, and I know 131 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: because I've been there. It's like, oh my god, let's see. 132 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 1: You know that Luann's gonna start drinking, so hopefully we'll 133 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: have some drinks and then that will happen, like that's 134 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: what they root for. Then it happens, and then you 135 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: know we're not taking addiction seriously. So then somebody gets 136 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: fired or like there's a statement issue. It's kind of bullshit, 137 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: Like it's kind of bullshit. It's a pressure cooker, a 138 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: design for drama, and then when there's drama, that's when 139 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: the trouble happens. Like it's the whole nature of the 140 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 1: crazy beast. Should the kids be part of this? Should 141 00:07:48,600 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 1: the kids be held to the same standards if they're 142 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: over twenty one they're participating in the show or the 143 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: kid's fair game. Should adults be fighting with the kids? 144 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:01,120 Speaker 1: Should kids be allowed to shoot when the parents are 145 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: just signing them away and kind of making them shoot, 146 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: and then if they shoot, should they not be compensated? 147 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: And some trust fund, some college fund? Because I know 148 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:12,119 Speaker 1: that Ali Zarn The minute she turned eighteen, Jill wanted 149 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 1: to get her paid because she was an adult and 150 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 1: they had to pay her if she filmed, and they 151 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: wouldn't put her in any scenes. And Jill wanted to 152 00:08:20,000 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: get her paid something for all the years that she 153 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: had worked, but no, And then, like Dina, Manzo's daughter 154 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: was basically crying, saying her whole life was changed and 155 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: formed by stupid things she said that she doesn't agree 156 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: with when she was thirteen, because you know, I'd say 157 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: to my daughter, you can't say that, whatever the thing is, 158 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: you can't say that, Like kids don't know they're kids, 159 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: So should they be on these shows? You know, without compensation. 160 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: Their parents are saying they have to be on the shows, 161 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: but without compensation. It's a very interesting topic and common. 162 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: And yeah, someone like a Jen Shaw is a pariah now, 163 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 1: but everything she is is everything the Housewives wants, living 164 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 1: beyond her means. Check renting different houses to make it 165 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: look good for the show. So that's a great storyline 166 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: that other people will then criticize. Check all the labels 167 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: ABCDEFG can't even afford them. 168 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 2: Many of them are fake. Does it even matter? Check? 169 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: Like larger than Life, you'd know something doesn't smell right, 170 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: It just something stinks in suburbia. You know, hence there's 171 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 1: something illegal. Check Salahi's broke into the White House. Check 172 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: Luanne gets arrested. Check check Tinsley had a mugshot. Check 173 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: Leah is a recovering attict. Check Derinda likes to tie 174 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 1: one on and get wasted. Check Like it's like, what 175 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: do we want from these people? And what happens after? 176 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: How crazy about the woman from Orange County? You guys 177 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 1: will know she had two daughters. One was sexually assaulted 178 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: by the police and she won a case. I mean, 179 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: stuff goes on with these kids. I don't know that 180 00:10:03,880 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 1: many kids that have crazy lives like this, So there 181 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,640 Speaker 1: has to be some effect, like the Housewives effect, the 182 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: kimm You're gonna say the Kim and Kroi thing is 183 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: not the Housewives effect. Keeping up with the Joneses all 184 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: show and no go, starting with Big Papa and having 185 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: to show everyone how rich we are and have the 186 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:21,680 Speaker 1: big ring and the big car and the big house, 187 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: and then literally the demise be about the big ring, 188 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: in the big car, in the big house and trying 189 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,679 Speaker 1: to sell luxury goods and gambling and trying to keep 190 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: up with the Joneses and Kroy repeatedly saying like they 191 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,319 Speaker 1: don't got it like that, and then they both crack 192 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 1: like money can be the root of all evil. But 193 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 1: The Housewives is the place where you have to show 194 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: that you. 195 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:40,680 Speaker 2: Have the most money. 196 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna name names, but there are people 197 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: on Beverly Hills and have habitually and traditionally been people 198 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: on Beverly Hills that look really rich that don't got 199 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: it like that. You know, they got to pull together 200 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: their best wares for shooting, but they don't got it 201 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 1: like that. And they're borrowing from Peter to pay Paul 202 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: and it's not cute.