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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. I'm Matt Miller and

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Speaker 1: I'm Hannah Elliott and this is Hot Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: And I guess it's already like a holiday edition too,

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Speaker 2: because I'm in Valencia in Spain.

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Speaker 1: For at least Navidad.

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Speaker 3: Thank you. Uh. It's seventy degrees out amazing, which.

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Speaker 2: Even for Valencia is quite warm. But you're not knocked

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Speaker 2: off on holiday yet.

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Speaker 3: Where do you go after Friday?

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Speaker 1: I'm out, I'm out. We're gonna we're going to take

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Speaker 1: a journey with the dog over the river and through

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Speaker 1: the woods to grandmother's house. We go our little pup's

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Speaker 1: first car ride, like long, long journey, and I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: very excited. She's very excited.

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Speaker 3: Oh you're gonna how long? How long is the drive?

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Speaker 1: Well, the drives from La to Denver, so that's it's

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Speaker 1: about one thousand miles. You could do it in a day,

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Speaker 1: but I think we're gonna break it up and stop

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Speaker 1: somewhere around Grand Junction, nice way. So yeah, that'll be fun.

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Speaker 3: I'm very jealous of that. I love a long drive.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'll keep you posted. We're i mean, we're checking

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Speaker 1: the what the weather is, is the the one thing

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Speaker 1: to really be careful of because it can really catch

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Speaker 1: you out. And I actually grew up in Oregon driving

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Speaker 1: over the Cascades a lot in the winter, so I

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Speaker 1: am aware that if you're not prepared, can really catch

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Speaker 2: Is there a specific route that you're gonna take? What's

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Speaker 2: the route you take?

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Speaker 1: I haven't even got that far into planning.

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Speaker 3: So there's nothing.

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Speaker 1: So there's not like an I'm sure there is a

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Speaker 1: known route. I've never done this drive before. We've never

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Speaker 1: done it, so I'll have to get back to you

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Speaker 1: on that.

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Speaker 3: I get it.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean I always think of Ohio, New York

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Speaker 2: because I grew up in Columbus, New York, and so

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Speaker 2: my and my and also so we've always had a

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Speaker 2: I've probably averaged like two or three trips round trips

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Speaker 2: a year. So you know, if I ask somebody, are

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Speaker 2: you going to go eighty or seventy six, you know

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Speaker 2: that they know when I'm talking about it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, we need to discuss this mustache that has mysteriously

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Speaker 1: appeared when you cross international waters. A minute you get

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Speaker 1: out of the country. Are you even coming back.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I am coming back and I probably won't

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Speaker 2: have this kind of must dash when I go back

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Speaker 2: on TV for Bloomberg.

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Speaker 3: But you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: Everyone always questions why I have this? What if I

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Speaker 2: just want to have a mustache that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It Also I feel like it's your international persona.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can be whoever you want to be

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Speaker 1: in Spain.

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Speaker 3: True, it makes me much more American over here.

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Speaker 1: Also, I feel like you'd really fit in with law

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Speaker 1: enforcement and first responder teams, know, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Like the fire Department, respectable people even in America. With

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Speaker 2: full on mustache. I don't see why I should not

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Speaker 2: be able to wear one. By the way, I've been

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Speaker 2: doing a lot of thinking about police lately. Police in

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Speaker 2: Boston ride Giant Harley Davidson Roade Kings and they had

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Speaker 2: their own special hic that's their fleet. Yeah it is

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Speaker 2: because I've done I've done a bunch of Fourth of

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Speaker 2: July events where we had super fancy police escorts to

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Speaker 2: fat mustaches like this, and they control those bikes as

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Speaker 2: if it were second nature. And they're you know, eight

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty or nine hundred pound motorcycles. That is

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Speaker 2: a lot. I have seen, by the way, firsthand the

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Speaker 2: the Harley Davidson dealership to look at a fat Bob. Now,

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Speaker 2: in the US they stopped production of them, or stop

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Speaker 2: sales with them last year, but they were eighteen nine

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Speaker 3: Wow, that's what crazy, right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yet the cops have them. They must be

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they get a fleet deal in the US,

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Speaker 3: buy in bulk, it's not It's not a.

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Speaker 2: Great time for Harley in terms of sales either, so

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Speaker 2: probably fewer and fewer police departments are buying them, but

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is good info, great to know.

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Speaker 2: I also thought of some buid cars here, So Chinese

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Speaker 1: Oh about the Wow, how did they look?

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Speaker 3: They looked fine?

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Speaker 2: I mean they looked no worse than the typical sort

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Speaker 2: talk about Honda as well. Yeah, Honda and Nithan getting

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Speaker 2: gonna happen, right, just shows the danger of Chinese competition.

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Speaker 2: Like buyd they can't compete anymore in the world's largest

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Speaker 2: long have those two been standalone brands? And come, I

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Speaker 2: mean I guess Nthan was part of Renault, but spend

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So this is the news that Honda and Nissan

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Speaker 1: And I think this news is really, from what I'm

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely sure, the biggest jump ever come on Wednesday.

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Speaker 1: I mean yeah again, Like, I don't think the influence

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Speaker 2: Expiple agreed one hundred percent because even though, so I

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Speaker 2: cover US markets as my day job, and in terms

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Speaker 2: of markets, the influence of China has waned substantially, but

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Speaker 2: in terms of the car industry, it is still the

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Speaker 2: world's biggest car market and growing at a faster pace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. The only difference is now it's realized it doesn't

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Speaker 1: need the European and American automakers. It can actually source

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Speaker 3: That happens exactly. And it's a huge threat.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, it's not like Nissan was doing very

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Speaker 1: But did you actually get inside any of these BYD

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Speaker 2: I haven't gotten inside of any of them yet so far.

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Speaker 2: Watched the breakdown videos of them, you know, and they

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Speaker 3: He did a trip to check out the bid cars.

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Speaker 2: He said, they're plastic e, but there's still decent competitors,

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Speaker 2: especially at that price point. And guess what, so are

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Speaker 3: Even good cars are plastic Yeah, you know what?

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Speaker 1: And that's so interesting because Cox Automotive has their annual

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Speaker 1: I mean one of the takeaways was that affordability sells

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, Bloomberg News you may have seen a

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Speaker 3: We interviewed I think a doctor in West.

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Speaker 2: spend the money on something that the heart wants. Once

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Speaker 2: or you say no, I'll pay eleven thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: biggest loss. Again, to your point, like people are doubt,

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Speaker 1: they're they're gravitating smaller, and they're gravitating toward affordability.

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Speaker 1: Now completely completely like I was really, you know, on

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Speaker 1: my end of your car list, we included, which we

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Speaker 3: Yes, I think for sure.

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Speaker 2: expect to pay at least ninety grand I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that price doesn't include all the add ons and

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Speaker 2: But by the way, we didn't, so that was on

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Speaker 2: my TV show, but we didn't talk about your list yet.

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Speaker 2: So well that ends on the big one. Yeah, it

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Speaker 2: is a great segue. So we'll end on that, but

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Speaker 2: I want to touch on a few others. Sure, because

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Speaker 2: I saw, I know, the Fiat Chinko.

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Speaker 1: One hundred what do you call it, Well, I call

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Speaker 1: it the five hundred D but chinkinta yeah that too.

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Speaker 2: I know that was on your list and we both

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Speaker 2: I loved that car. Also, I drove the five hundred,

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Speaker 2: the little electric Fiat five hundred in red, and I

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Speaker 1: That goes to your point of if you're not going

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, to me, even that's a little bit luxurious because

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Speaker 2: it was over thirty grand.

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Speaker 1: Right, yes, yeah, I think thirty five.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'm looking for. You get ten thousand miles

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Speaker 1: This is in Colorado.

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Speaker 3: Car of the year.

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Speaker 1: Car of the year. Anyone who's really followed along won't

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Speaker 1: be surprised. It's the twelve cylinder Ferrari, the Ferrari Dodchi Chilindre.

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Speaker 1: It's got a personality. It's cool, and I think it's

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Speaker 2: I don't think you're wrong. I definitely agree with you.

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Speaker 3: They've already done that.

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Speaker 2: You know. They have to push the boundaries a little

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Speaker 3: Have all those, you want something that looks a little

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's.

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Speaker 1: When you look at it, you know it's a Ferrari,

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Speaker 2: all of these like poor person questions, why don't you

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Speaker 3: It's not for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm not their target market. You know, frankly, very few

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Speaker 3: Pronounce the name of the car I bought, you know.

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Speaker 1: Ah, yes, And you know, of course, the rest of

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Speaker 1: And I have to say, I don't think every person

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Speaker 2: For sure, No, there are people who appreciate the quality

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying for the MEAs of the world.

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Speaker 2: I look at the puro sing whatever you call it,

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Speaker 3: Just give me coil over shocks, you know. So I

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Speaker 2: Anyway, let's get into the interview here. As Benedetto Vinya,

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Speaker 2: great season. I mean, fantastic improvement. You almost won the

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Speaker 4: I think that the team did a great job. This

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Speaker 4: year has been, as you said, fantastic year. Unfortunately we

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Speaker 5: So I'm very very happy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's you know, in my mind, Ferrari is

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Speaker 2: think may be the greatest driver of all time. What

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Speaker 4: We are looking for Louis to join our team. We

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Speaker 2: I mean you are competitive already, you showed this year

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Speaker 5: But I think you know, a lot.

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Speaker 2: Of people feel that either Ferrari was selling cars to

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Speaker 5: For a little bit.

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Speaker 2: I think you highlighted the important sort of symbiotic relationship

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Speaker 5: The same biosis, as you say, is very important. Matt.

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Speaker 4: I think, as I told you, there are three important

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Speaker 4: One is all the technology innovation we do on the

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Speaker 4: it is a constant reminder that the only way for

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's fascinating, a fascinating way to

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Speaker 2: And then I looked on your website and I saw

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Speaker 2: welcome to the era of V six. I think it

443
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Speaker 2: was on the two ninety six if you click internet.

444
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 2: Is that directly derived from Formula one racing? Is that

445
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,760
Speaker 2: from the power plant on the track? That's what you

446
00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 2: want in your most important supercoar.

447
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 4: I would like to tell you that today if you

448
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Speaker 4: take a Lemon Iper car, if you take F one,

449
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,320
Speaker 4: they are all V six hybrid.

450
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Speaker 5: Yeah.

451
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 4: And when you think about the pinnacle of the technology,

452
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Speaker 4: when you want to do something that is pushing the limit,

453
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,480
Speaker 4: well you need to stick to something that is the

454
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Speaker 4: living digis performances, and V six hybrid is one of those.

455
00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:57,239
Speaker 4: Just consider that our thermal engine in that car is

456
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:00,320
Speaker 4: more than three hundred or spower per liter, and then

457
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,920
Speaker 4: on top of the three leaders you ad the additional

458
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 4: three hundred terminal let's say.

459
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Speaker 5: Electric horse power.

460
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 4: So I think you have to pick always the best

461
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Speaker 4: technology for the supercar, because the supercar is epitome of

462
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 4: the best let's say car you can make with technology

463
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,280
Speaker 4: you have available at that time.

464
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Speaker 2: You also, though, pay homage to your heritage with design cues.

465
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Speaker 2: I mean, in the twelve cylinder car, I can see

466
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Speaker 2: the Daytona very clearly, and the SUV, the puro saying.

467
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Speaker 5: No, no, no, no no. The suv, Matt, we don't make suv.

468
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Speaker 5: We suv is a sport utility.

469
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Speaker 2: Okay, fair, I'm just trying to avoid an attempt at

470
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Speaker 2: pronouncing the Italian name because I know I'm going to

471
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Speaker 2: butcher heuro sanguine.

472
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Speaker 5: I mean, you still have.

473
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Speaker 2: The naturally aspirated V twelve of.

474
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Speaker 5: The past, you know.

475
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Speaker 2: Is it tough to on the one hand always be

476
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Speaker 2: reaching forward, you know, a technology and progress, and on

477
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Speaker 2: the other hand, you have to pay homage to such

478
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: an important, such an iconic past.

479
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 5: That's the beauty of Ferrari.

480
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 4: That's the beauty of a luxury company as Ferrari, that

481
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: is putting together the past and the future. That is

482
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Speaker 4: putting together the technology for the sake of delivering unique

483
00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:16,520
Speaker 4: emotion to our client. Because when you have the opportunity

484
00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 4: to work for a company as Ferrari, everyone from first

485
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 4: to lust can put together the two dimensions the past

486
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Speaker 4: in the future. I like to say, in this way,

487
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,960
Speaker 4: we all have two eyes. Okay, with one eye we

488
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 4: look at the past. With one eye we look at

489
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 4: the future, and then we have the brain that is

490
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 4: putting them together. That's what we do. Everyone in Ferrari

491
00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,919
Speaker 4: is doing it this way. It's not good when you

492
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,640
Speaker 4: look only to the past. It's not good. Only when

493
00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,960
Speaker 4: you look, let's say, only to the futures. To look

494
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: at both dimensions and put them together. And that's what

495
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Speaker 4: we do.

496
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Speaker 2: I always wonder, and I'm sure everyone asks you. I

497
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,640
Speaker 2: know Hannah has said. She asked, already are we ever

498
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 2: going to see a manual transmission in a Ferrari again?

499
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 2: Because I had the opportunity to drive a listener's car.

500
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: He has a three P fifty five and with the

501
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: gated shifter einety seven, I mean like goosebumps. I had

502
00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 2: the hair standing up on the back of my neck

503
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 2: and just you know I wasn't perfect at doing my shifts,

504
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: but I thought, if I had this car, I would

505
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,479
Speaker 2: spend every day practicing like it's such an amazing feeling,

506
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 2: the sound, And of course it's not the fastest sports

507
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 2: car in the world, it's probably no longer the best

508
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 2: handling sports car. But it was just the involvement and

509
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: the gratification that I got from hitting it right was

510
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,399
Speaker 2: an amazing experience. Do we ever get that again?

511
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 5: Look, one point that we do with Ferrari, we never

512
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 5: disclosed what's gonna be the future.

513
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: It's part of this ability, it's part of the secrecy

514
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,400
Speaker 4: we keep. But I can't tell you that in Ferrari

515
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 4: we did in the past, we are doing and what

516
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 4: we will do in the future. Is always to start

517
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 4: from the drivers, because we want to harmss the technology,

518
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 4: whatever they are, in a way that delivery unique emotion

519
00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,000
Speaker 4: to the driver. This is really important. I mean, we cannot.

520
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 4: I don't like to start from technology. The company does

521
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 4: not start from technology. The company is starting, is putting together,

522
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 4: is starting. Everything starts from the driver.

523
00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 5: That's it. That's that's very important.

524
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 2: But you also have, I mean, the most net technologically

525
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: advanced cars in the world. I was looking at the

526
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 2: pure saying the suspension system is just otherworldly. I mean

527
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: it's like nothing else with the spool valve shocks, but

528
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: also truly active suspension. Isn't it tough to stay on

529
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 2: the forefront like that?

530
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 4: And we we call it fast Ferrari Active suspension technology.

531
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Speaker 4: It is really unique. I mean I tried the Prosign.

532
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:47,359
Speaker 4: We own some racing track and I can tell you

533
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 4: it's very sporty. I use this car daily and they

534
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 4: have a lot of fun because you really when you

535
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 4: when you corner you, you you feel yourself in a

536
00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,600
Speaker 4: in a sports car is not something the reason why

537
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 4: I was telling you is not an suv because suv

538
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 4: is bulky, is not at all sporty. And you feel

539
00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 4: the weight well in our Prosy despite the fact that

540
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 4: the weight is two point one tone, you don't feel

541
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 4: it all the weight because with the electro mechanical components,

542
00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:21,440
Speaker 4: the Fast Ferrari active suspension technology, you don't feel the weight.

543
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 5: It is very light, I can imagine.

544
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 2: But I wonder about the difficulties of maintaining that kind

545
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 2: And I know maintaining a Ferrari has never been terribly

546
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 2: inexpensive endeavor, but how many microchips are in each corner

547
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: of the suspension. And then you've got the passenger screen

548
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: from which he or she can control most of the car.

549
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 2: You know, obviously not driving, but it just seemed like

550
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: a lot of tech packed in one car.

551
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:49,600
Speaker 4: There is a lot of tech here, right, the a

552
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:54,160
Speaker 4: lot of microchips, the Ferrari, the fast. Let's say you

553
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: are full of electric components, mechanical component.

554
00:28:57,640 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 5: There is a lot of software behind.

555
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 4: There are chips, there are sensors, there are micro controllers,

556
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 4: there are a power components. But let's say they are

557
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 4: all blended in a way to make sure that the

558
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: car is cornering in the right way. You don't lose,

559
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: you don't feel the weight. And I would like to

560
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 4: say the following. There are many different kinds of software

561
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 4: in a car. I like to say there are four

562
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 4: classes of software. There is a basic software, like the

563
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 4: software you needed to raise up and down the window.

564
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 4: There is the vehicle dynamic software. There is HMI software,

565
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 4: and there is autonomous drive software. Well, autonomous drive we

566
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: don't care too much apart from the one that are

567
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 4: demanded by the regulation. HMI for us is a mirroring

568
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 4: of what is on the radio and mobile phone or

569
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 4: whatever on the screen. So we invest and we develop

570
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 4: software for vehicle dynamics because that's where the people can

571
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 4: feel better and can have the Ferral experience.

572
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,720
Speaker 2: On the one hand, I feel like in my mind

573
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm a purist, right, but I'm not a lot. I

574
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: don't want to go back to carburetors. I don't want

575
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: to have no abs, you know, I need traction control,

576
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 2: especially if I have nine hundred twelve hundred. But in

577
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: a sense you have to become somewhat of a technology

578
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: company then right, And I mean that makes sense you

579
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: come from st Micro, But do you have to hire

580
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:24,120
Speaker 2: coders at Ferrari? Do you need to develop your own

581
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: software and house or way?

582
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 4: When I came in the company in Inferrari three years ago,

583
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 4: I had the opportunity to talk with a lot of

584
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 4: engineers with a different background aerodynamic, mechanical, electronic, digital software.

585
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 4: I was really surprised by the death of know how

586
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 4: that is there. And you understand when you see the

587
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 4: kind of car that the team is able to do,

588
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 4: but really that the amount of know how that is

589
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 4: in this company is really unique. There is a lot

590
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:57,520
Speaker 4: of innovation, There is a lot of dedication, a lot

591
00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: of sense of belonging, a lot of passion. I feel

592
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 4: daily the passion they put to make something unique all

593
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: the time.

594
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 2: I actually want to talk about that. How did you

595
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: come to this job? You were telling us earlier that

596
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: you when you came in, you hit the book, started

597
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,400
Speaker 2: reading everything you could about all the technological innovations that

598
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: you would need to deal with. You obviously have a

599
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 2: text savvy background to begin with, but you have to

600
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 2: have had a passion for cars.

601
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 5: Also.

602
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: It's not like Johnny Elkhon would hire someone who doesn't

603
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 2: care about cars to come and run his you know,

604
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,479
Speaker 2: Crown Jewel.

605
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 5: So what was it. I've been always in love with cars.

606
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,720
Speaker 4: I've been always in love with a product where technology

607
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 4: allow people to leave unique moments to deliver emotion.

608
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 5: So in those I able to say that.

609
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 4: I like also to work for companies where there is

610
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 4: a lot of heritage you can build on. So Ferrari

611
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 4: was my dream. It was also a place where you

612
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 4: can put together the past and the future. You put

613
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 4: together the story telling and the technology. I transition to

614
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 4: this world and with the team and all the members,

615
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 4: I'm having a lot of fun and there is only

616
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 4: one problem with Ferrari.

617
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 5: You know what which one is, which car to choose.

618
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 4: Which car to choose? Yes, but there is also another one,

619
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: the time of flies. I mean I was there three

620
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 4: years and a half ago. It looks like yesterday because

621
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 4: you see, I mean when I get out of the

622
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 4: office in the evening, when you see all these beautiful

623
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 4: cars standing on the road, when you see client coming

624
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 4: to see our car. We see that in the event

625
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 4: when we try the car on the test track, as

626
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 4: you say, you have goosebumps. Yes, I mean I have

627
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 4: the portunity to try with the test drivers different kind

628
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 4: of car on the test track, and it's really incredible

629
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 4: how the car is able to be very unique emotion

630
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 4: to us.

631
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 2: So what are your favorite? I know it's differ the

632
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 2: next one, okay, but I mean, like I look at

633
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: some of the even recent vehicles you've put out and

634
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: I'm just blown away, Like the roma is something that

635
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: I never would have expected from Ferrari. And it's also

636
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: i mean the entry level Ferrari or I don't know

637
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: how you describe it in the company's but I think

638
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 2: it's one of the most beautiful vehicles that I've ever seen.

639
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 5: Our car.

640
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 4: There are two extreme if you want. One is for

641
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 4: pilot and one is for sport car drivers. We have

642
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:25,560
Speaker 4: different kind of car. We have Drama Spider. We have

643
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 4: the two ninety six GTB and the Git and the Spider.

644
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 4: Also V six we have yeah, v SX hybrid. Yeah,

645
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 4: we have the V eight hybrid that is s F

646
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:38,800
Speaker 4: ninety Now. We have also a special version the XX

647
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 4: Spider and coupe. We have Supercar. We have the puras

648
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 4: I think you know. For us, it's a different Ferrari

649
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:50,480
Speaker 4: for different moments, different Ferrari for different Ferraricti, for different

650
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 4: kind of client.

651
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 5: It depends what you want to do.

652
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: Are there any holes in that? Are there any product

653
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: holes where you're like, I think we need a station

654
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: wagon or you.

655
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 5: Know, we need a truck. Now I think we need.

656
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: You know, a four doors? Yeah, I mean is there

657
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: anything I think a pickup truck that would be fantastic?

658
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: Okay, Today, as I say, we are working on a

659
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:14,799
Speaker 4: lot of interesting product we Unfortunately you are so kind,

660
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:18,879
Speaker 4: you are very hospital here. Unfortunately I cannot, I mean

661
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 4: we cannot discuss. We're paying too much attention.

662
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,279
Speaker 2: Which of these cars means the most to you? I mean,

663
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 2: I imagine the Roma was already in production when you

664
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: came on board, but it was the first the Roma.

665
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: Okay, when the first car that I saw that we

666
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:37,120
Speaker 4: announced that after I get in the company was the Daytona.

667
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,120
Speaker 4: Because I got in the company in September, it was

668
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 4: announcing in November and the team already did all the job,

669
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 4: all the work.

670
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 5: That was very.

671
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: Important for me because if you want this the first

672
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 4: car we decided together with the team, the name of

673
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 4: the car, I will always remember.

674
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 5: It's a fantastic name.

675
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 2: I've then on the bank turns of Daytona Raceway, which

676
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: is amazing experience in itself.

677
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 5: I imagine me too.

678
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,840
Speaker 4: I mean, and then if you consider also what happened

679
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 4: over the nineteen sixty seven with the tree Ferrari.

680
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 5: Yes, that's really your history. That's really good bad.

681
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 2: Yes, not to mention the fact that I'm pretty sure

682
00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 2: there's a Daytona in Miami. Vice right, he has a

683
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 2: test Rosa and a Daytona.

684
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,719
Speaker 4: There is a turnabout that was a three sixty five

685
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 4: g TB. Yes, and I remember because that was it

686
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 4: was announced when I was born in nineteen sixty nine.

687
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: You know, Ferrari is a lot of cars. And you

688
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 4: know how I remember the year of announcement of those cars.

689
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 4: I associated those cars to people. I know that in

690
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy five, three eight, nineteen ninety seven.

691
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 5: And what what what are you my car? Three eight?

692
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,840
Speaker 2: You associate that with Magnum by sister, your sister, So

693
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: people you personally know.

694
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 4: I associate with people I know because it's easier for

695
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 4: me to remember this way otherwise. I mean, there are

696
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 4: a lot of model I mean the company did in

697
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 4: seventy seven years. We did around the two hundred and

698
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 4: fifty different kind of sports cars, tc. So I had

699
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 4: to find my own way. I still do a lot

700
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 4: of mistake, but I keep improving. So a few months

701
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 4: ago I send a message to the people reporting to me.

702
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 4: To each of them, I send the cars. So I

703
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,440
Speaker 4: have one guy in nineteen eighty four this year turned

704
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 4: forty and it's a two eighty eighty g t O.

705
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 5: Very nice. You know, in this case it's easier. In

706
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 5: this case, it's easier.

707
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 4: But I have another another colleague in nineteen sixty four

708
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: to fifty GT.

709
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 5: Loso. I remember in.

710
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 2: This way, also a fantastic product. Do you have any

711
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 2: favorites of the classics. I mean, you have a great

712
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 2: gto presentation on your website, and that's an amazing car

713
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 2: for me, though, the magnum pi Ferrari is what kind

714
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: of defines, at least in my brain.

715
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 4: You know, there are several of them. The first one

716
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 4: I tried when I was here in the US end

717
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 4: of nineties was the f fifty.

718
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 5: There was so I.

719
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: Will always remember that that experience. But there is also

720
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 4: the two fifty git los and thirty sixty four.

721
00:36:58,200 --> 00:36:58,839
Speaker 5: I like a lot.

722
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: It's a very beautiful car, are of course quite pricey

723
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: at this point.

724
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 4: There is okay, it's not so old, it's not classic

725
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 4: because it's still younger than twenty years. There is the

726
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 4: four to five eight. There is a eight that is

727
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: for the pista is great, but that I mean it depends.

728
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 4: This summer. In July, I tried with a colleague the

729
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 4: Testarossa nineteen fifty seven. Wow, beautiful, beautiful, only four gears,

730
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 4: incredible how you can push each gear?

731
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 5: Of course not you no door to open, you have

732
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 5: to jump in.

733
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:40,440
Speaker 2: So an incredible history. What about the people that work there,

734
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 2: I mean, you've talked a lot about when we were

735
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 2: having our conversation earlier.

736
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 5: The competence that you saw.

737
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 2: You were struck by the competence of the people working there.

738
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 2: But I wonder about also the culture. I mean in

739
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 2: the motor Valley. This is a place where cars are

740
00:37:56,040 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: more important than probably you know, any other place besides Stuttgarden, Detroit, right,

741
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: So it's one of the main hotspots for car culture.

742
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 4: It's true, it's an odd spot, the motor valid There

743
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 4: are a lot of competence over there, and the competents keep growing.

744
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 4: The competents keep accruing over the time because for example,

745
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 4: in motor vality, ill you know, five years ago you

746
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 4: did not want needed to have competence in chemistry, Now

747
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 4: you need to have them. Why because electric car needs

748
00:38:25,239 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 4: batteries and you need to have these competence. So it's

749
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 4: a place where the people know a lot, but also

750
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 4: they are willing to learn a lot. And I think

751
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 4: this is really important because I think that to be

752
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 4: sustainable as a team in the future, you need to

753
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: know a lot, but also you need to be ready

754
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 4: to learn a lot from whoever you from all the

755
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 4: people in the world. So what we did, for example,

756
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 4: in this respect, we created together with University and other

757
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 4: companies laboratory to develop, to understand and to develop the

758
00:38:57,160 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 4: next generation chemistry for the battery for the cell. So

759
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 4: that's very important because we as a company, we will

760
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:08,359
Speaker 4: keep doing the thermal cars, naturally aspirated, we will do

761
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,399
Speaker 4: the eybrid car, and.

762
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 5: We will do also we will do alls electric car.

763
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 5: Like you brought that up.

764
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,879
Speaker 2: I almost forgot about it because I really couldn't care

765
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 2: much less about EV's. But you're still going to go

766
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: ahead with it. You just told us earlier. You're still

767
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 2: looking at releasing it. What a fourth quarter of twenty

768
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 2: twenty five. Even though other supercar makers haven't fared so

769
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 2: well EV's the market seems soft.

770
00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 4: Look don't I don't comment about others because each one

771
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: has its own strategy.

772
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 5: But can you develop a passionate EV I think.

773
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 4: That this is a you know, it's a big opportunity

774
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 4: for us because it's a challenge, and we like to

775
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,560
Speaker 4: take the challenge because the only way for us to

776
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 4: push the limit forward is to take challenge and to

777
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 4: master a unique way. Today, the interpretation we are giving

778
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 4: to our electric car is a our interpretation. So we

779
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,320
Speaker 4: believe in the possibility to use this technology to the

780
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:08,799
Speaker 4: unique emotion. We said the three years twenty twenty two,

781
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 4: we said, unveil in Q four twenty five, and we

782
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 4: are on track. We are testing on different tracks, and

783
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 4: you have to be able to wait still a few quarters.

784
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 5: I will.

785
00:40:19,640 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 2: But I mean I remember hearing stories and these may

786
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 2: have been unfounded rumors that aren't true, that when Ferrari

787
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 2: engineers first had to use turbo chargers, they were very

788
00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 2: unhappy about bringing and now and now and now we

789
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: prize those vehicles, right, But I wonder can you do

790
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: that again with evs? I mean, do your engineers think

791
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: that it's capable of having a soul?

792
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 4: And Matt, I think that thinking about what's happening in

793
00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 4: the world in general, about the main kind, there are

794
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 4: two things that scared people. One the fear of the

795
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 4: new and to the fear of the different, of the diverse.

796
00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: I mean, if you see no over the course of

797
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 4: his story. So it's normally that people are scared about

798
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 4: the new. I like to say that innovation is not

799
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 4: democratic in the sense that not all the people see

800
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 4: the innovation, because if all the people would see the innovation,

801
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 4: then it we call it the production. I think we

802
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 4: see the opportunity to use also the electric and that

803
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:20,680
Speaker 4: like to say electric engine not to motors, just to

804
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 4: feel it closer to the thermal engine in a unique way.

805
00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,719
Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting challenge. We are priest at

806
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: the stage of development where we are. We have to

807
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 4: go through the till the end and we will deliver

808
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 4: this to you know, we will make another unique Ferrari.

809
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm looking forward to that. We have much time left.

810
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 2: But I want to ask again, going back to the culture.

811
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:47,880
Speaker 2: You've only been there for three and a half years,

812
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 2: but Prirari has such a storied past, with such strong leaders.

813
00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: What kind of imprint do you want to leave on

814
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 2: the culture? What is the unique selling point that you

815
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,760
Speaker 2: bring to Ferrari and that you hope to leave with Ferrari.

816
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040
Speaker 4: That's a good point, and I think that what I

817
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: what I want to leave to the company is to

818
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 4: make sure that there is empowerment at all level in

819
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: the company. I want all the level in the company

820
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 4: to be empowered. I want all the level to contribute

821
00:42:16,440 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 4: to the innovation, because it's fundamental that today and in

822
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 4: the future the organization work more than not so much

823
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 4: in a hierarchical mode, but a more measured way, interconnected way.

824
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 4: And if I think also the progress we are doing

825
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 4: for example and sustainability, it's something that is happening because

826
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,760
Speaker 4: the blue collars, together with the white collars, are bringing

827
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 4: up some new ideas. I think it's fundamental today with

828
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 4: all the tools we have, you know what'sapp email, we

829
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:50,160
Speaker 4: can cause AI, but national intelligence is also important. It

830
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,240
Speaker 4: will always be important because the emotional intelligence. The AI

831
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 4: will never have the emotional intelligence Okay, yeah, it's like

832
00:42:58,040 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: to think when you think about a man is ahead,

833
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:03,840
Speaker 4: but there's also the gat okay, yeah, is only a

834
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: man with big brain, but there is also a gut

835
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 4: feeling that makes the difference. So what I want to say,

836
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,360
Speaker 4: I would I would like to leave a company that

837
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 4: there's a culture that is more suitable for the challenge

838
00:43:16,680 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 4: that the company will live in the future. I am

839
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:21,880
Speaker 4: very pleased we are doing very good progress in this direction.

840
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 4: Many others will do together.

841
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 3: Well.

842
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 2: It's a noble cause. And I really appreciate you sitting

843
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: down with us.

844
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,399
Speaker 5: Thank you, Matt, thank you, thank you so much.

845
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: That was so great. I really regret that I wasn't

846
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: able to make that interview map, but you did great obviously.

847
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: I always learn a lot when I listen. It's just

848
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: so good to hear from the horse's mouth straight from Italy.

849
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: You know what's going on for sure.

850
00:43:46,160 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 3: For sure, I will say they missed you.

851
00:43:47,840 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 2: The whole PR team was like, we're so excited to

852
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: see Hannah, and then when I got to the to

853
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: the conference room, they were like, where's Hannah.

854
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:57,400
Speaker 1: You got to keep them wanting more.

855
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly, so when you go and see them at

856
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,160
Speaker 2: Villa Deeste or whatever, they'll be like super happy to

857
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 2: see your Yeah, it was good fun to talk to him,

858
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:09,279
Speaker 2: and it's always fun to dream about Ferraris. I got

859
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 2: to spend a lot of time on the website digging

860
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: into it before he came in because I wanted to

861
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 2: be prepared. And you know, it's funny the website it

862
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:20,760
Speaker 2: is not to the same level as the suspension system

863
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: of the puro saying and I've.

864
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: Noticed you a little trouble. It's just not quite there.

865
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 3: And of course that's not their focus, right because it

866
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 3: should be that.

867
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 2: I doubt their main customers are spending time configuring the

868
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 2: cars on This is.

869
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:41,439
Speaker 1: A thing with like every automaker. The websites are trash

870
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: they take. Maybe they're two, maybe they're they're trying to

871
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: overcomplicate it, because it does always seem like they're constantly spooling.

872
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:52,960
Speaker 1: They take forever to low. They're hard to navigate. You know,

873
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 1: you can't it doesn't give you what you need right away.

874
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: This seems to be kind of a thing with automakers.

875
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 2: They're not quite as good as they could be, even

876
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 2: like Porstia probably has one of the most detailed configurators

877
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 2: and then one of the deepest, right because you can

878
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,520
Speaker 2: be filming the components that you put on the car,

879
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 2: but it's just not quite there. You know, you break

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean Doucatti has always had problems. Uh,

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Speaker 2: they're just not as good as they could be.

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Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, I know, I I it's tough when

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Speaker 1: and that's when I just start emailing prs because half

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Speaker 1: the time, too, what the PR tells me is different

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Speaker 1: than what's on the website. And you know, sometimes they're

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Speaker 2: So all right, I've got to head to a dinner,

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Speaker 2: and you've got your I.

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Speaker 1: Was gonna I was gonna ask if you've got any

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Speaker 1: if you've had any amazing meals yet or has ever I've.

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Speaker 3: Had and I've had.

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Speaker 2: I had a truly amazing meal, like I'm talking Michelin

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Speaker 2: version of Ferrari La Ferrari su right here in the

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Speaker 2: old city of Valencia. If you if you come here,

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Speaker 2: I highly recommend checking out this restaurant. Like it's a

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Speaker 2: great couples night for two that.

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Speaker 3: I mean amazing.

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Speaker 2: I had the flaw which was insane in the waveless rotost,

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Speaker 2: which is a very simple dish, but they made it

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Speaker 2: like at a culinary height that I wouldn't have expected.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, amazing.

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Speaker 3: All right, cool, Well listen, you have a great trip.

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Speaker 2: And uh they hid in magnuson Willow and wait, is

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Speaker 2: there a new one another puppy?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and the puppy the new one.

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Speaker 1: There's no new one yet, but you know, you never

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Speaker 1: know of.

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Speaker 2: These, Okay, okay, I keep I keep expecting that, and

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Speaker 2: I'll see you here at same time, same place next

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Speaker 2: Week's right.

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Speaker 1: I'm Matt Miller, and I'm Hannah Elliott, and this is

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg