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Speaker 3: You've endorsed Donald Trump for president. Donald Trump has been

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Speaker 1: It is not in a criminal court case.

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Speaker 1: I live with shame, and you're asking me a question

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Speaker 4: It is Monday, March eleventh, and there are two hundred

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Speaker 1: We've got to hold not only the president accountable and

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Speaker 4: Now, let's watch the theater of the absurd play out

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Speaker 3: You said he should never hold office again. So where

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Speaker 2: And I listened to my voters. They move on.

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Speaker 1: They don't ask me about January six. Maybe that's what

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Speaker 4: Before getting kid a heart of the matter, it makes

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Speaker 5: Of ABC News Now.

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Speaker 3: How do you scare your endorsement of Donald Trump with

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Speaker 1: Tell you I was raped at the age of sixteen,

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to sit here on your show

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Speaker 3: You've endorsed Donald Trump for president. Donald Trump has been

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Speaker 3: Women won't come forward because they're defamed by those who

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Speaker 2: But as a rape victim.

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Speaker 1: Who's been shamed for years now because of her rape,

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Speaker 1: you're trying to shame me again by asking me this question.

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Speaker 3: You've repeated that again.

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Speaker 2: I think it's offensive.

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Speaker 1: As a woman, I find I find it offensive, but

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Speaker 2: It's not Joe Biden.

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Speaker 5: What this demonstrates.

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Speaker 4: Is a profound, and I mean profound moral brokenness, a deep,

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Speaker 4: deep moral rot. How can it conceivably be that Nancy

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Speaker 4: Mace does not understand her hypocrisy. That's what shame's Nancy mays.

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Speaker 4: The stench is her lack of conviction. The stench is

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Speaker 4: the sulfuresm that leads a person who knew that Donald

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Speaker 4: Time goes to his most ardent defender, because she loves

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Speaker 4: shows like the One on Sunday, where absurdity, fantasy, and

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Speaker 4: venom are the coin of the realm. Nancy Mace's craveness

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Speaker 4: is extraordinary to behold. Donald Trump is somebody who demeaned her,

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Speaker 4: insulted her, degraded her, and dehumanized her. But just like

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Speaker 4: other person he steamrolled, bulldozed, and demeaned who works in politics.

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Speaker 4: That is, she got in line, she got on her knees,

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Speaker 4: and she bowed her head. Nancy Mace is a loyal

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Speaker 4: soldier to the cause of a man who defamed her.

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Speaker 5: One thing to remember.

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Speaker 4: About all autocratic movements is the strangeness that they bring forward.

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Speaker 4: Power corrupts and bends people, Fame warps them, shatters them.

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Speaker 4: It brings out all of their worst qualities and characters

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Speaker 4: while suppressing their decent ones. Nancy Mace has changed an

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Speaker 4: awful lot, and not for the better. According to any

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Speaker 4: virtue which most every religion from the beginning of time

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Speaker 4: has held in high regard, what Nancy Mays has.

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Speaker 5: Become is pathetic.

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Speaker 4: She's a character like somebody who would have fit in

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Speaker 4: perfectly with Gary Busey and Gary Coleman living in a

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Speaker 5: But this isn't a reality show.

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Speaker 4: It's real life, and that's what makes Nancy Mace a threat,

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Speaker 4: not comic relief.

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Speaker 5: She stands out.

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Speaker 4: She stands out for being unprincipled in a state that

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Speaker 4: has given us Tim Scott, Lindsey Graham, and Nikki Haley

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Speaker 4: in recent years. It's an extraordinary accomplishment. Remember this about

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Speaker 4: Nancy Mayce more than anything else, which he craves as attention.

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Speaker 4: And maybe the best way to say something about restoring

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Speaker 4: a TV ad that proclaims yourself the most trusted name

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Speaker 4: in news. Instead, maybe give the American people insight, help

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Speaker 4: them understand the complexities of the world. Maybe instead of

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Speaker 4: Nancy Mayce, the Swedish Prime Minister would have been a

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Speaker 4: great guest, after all, Sweden joined NATO this week, But

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Speaker 4: who would want that to interrupt the Nancy mayshow, which

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Speaker 4: must roll on apparently forever. I know this. George Stephanopolos

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Speaker 4: deserve better. The American people and ABC News viewers deserve better.

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Speaker 4: When the lowest amongst us rise to the highest offices

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Speaker 4: in the land, there will be catastrophe. The system is

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Speaker 4: set up to guarantee it. Thank you for listening to

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