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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. A home intruder stabs a

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Speaker 1: sleeping little boy just six years old, dead, then he

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Speaker 1: gets early release, early release, doing half the time he

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Speaker 1: was supposed to do. Why just found by a Florida

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Speaker 1: elementary school. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: In twenty fifteen, the Tipton family was living a peaceful,

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Speaker 3: ordinary life, raising their small children and savoring each day.

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Speaker 3: But one faithful night in December, their world was irrevocably

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Speaker 3: shattered by a horrific home envision.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand what happened in this case. First of all,

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Speaker 1: the whole family's together. They're celebrating, they're having a movie

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Speaker 1: thon and one of the bedrooms they moved all the

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Speaker 1: furniture around, and the chouldren are having a great time.

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Speaker 1: Then sometime in the night, an intruder breaks into the home,

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Speaker 1: comes into the home, finds this beautiful Can I see

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Speaker 1: his picture? Please finds the most look at him, look

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Speaker 1: at Logan. Finds Logan asleep, asleep, and stabs this beautiful baby.

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Speaker 1: Did wait for it. That's not all. He just got

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Speaker 1: out on early release. This is in Kentucky, can you

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Speaker 1: hear me, Kentucky, this is on you.

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Speaker 4: Why is this.

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Speaker 1: Guy out walking around and less than half the time

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Speaker 1: he was supposed to do? Anyway, that said, let's go

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Speaker 1: back to that moment and understand what happened.

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Speaker 5: Listen, I've had my talks with God because I'm not

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Speaker 5: afraid to tell you all. I told the court if

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Speaker 5: I ever crossed paths with him, I will kill the man.

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Speaker 5: I will kill him where he stands.

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Speaker 6: There's really no words to explain it. Me and my siblings,

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Speaker 6: we are fearful of what's to come next. I've seen

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Speaker 6: the man in my room killing my brother, and now

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't make sense to me that from our

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Speaker 1: friends at Fox News, I'm just also from our friends

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Speaker 1: at w KYT. You know, I've got an all star

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Speaker 1: panel of experts, but tonight joining us to very special

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Speaker 1: guest Slogan's father, Dean Tipton, and Logan's sister just a

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Speaker 1: little girl when this happened, Coral Tipton's thank you for

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Speaker 1: being with us tonight.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you for sharing the story.

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Speaker 1: Mister Tipton. My father would cry, not about anything else,

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Speaker 1: but anything to do with us, his three children. He

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Speaker 1: was just so tenderhearted, and I am curious where you

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Speaker 1: get the strength to talk about Logan.

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Speaker 5: I look at it as a way to keep Logan alive,

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Speaker 5: keep his memory alive. And plus I've got four other

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Speaker 5: amazing children that that help keep me going. None of

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Speaker 5: it's easy, but we want the world to know who

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Speaker 5: our son is and the injustice that was done upon our.

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Speaker 1: Family, and justice, I don't think it was done on

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Speaker 1: your family. It has been heaped heaped on your family.

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Speaker 1: You know, I understand what you're saying to an extent.

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Speaker 1: I thought I knew it all about grieving and suffering

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Speaker 1: when my fance was murdered shortly before our wedding, But

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Speaker 1: now that I have the twins, I just have to

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Speaker 1: showing them that. To Coral, this is Logan's sister. How

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Speaker 1: when you look back and think of all the Christmas

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Speaker 7: I do all the time like to say that Logan

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Speaker 7: saved the rest of us that night. So I just

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Speaker 1: Why do you say that, Coral, Because.

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Speaker 8: When Logan was being killed, Ronald Exander's shut up screaming,

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Speaker 8: and if he wasn't gonna shut up screaming and crying

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Speaker 1: Dane. When you when you hear that from Coral, I mean,

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Speaker 1: did you ever in your wildest dreams, you guys were

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Speaker 1: celebrating in a new house, it's Christmas time, and your

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Speaker 1: wildest dreams, imagine this could happen. You know, the other night,

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Speaker 1: and just when you hear Coral describe what she just said,

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Speaker 5: It crushes me knowing that my baby boy was up there. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: probably first chance for help, and that coward of a

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Speaker 5: I have a lot of feelings. I feel like I'm

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Speaker 1: Mister Simpton, you know, you know right that you did

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Speaker 1: not let him down. You did not let him down.

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Speaker 1: You know what? Hold on? I got a shrink with me,

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Speaker 1: not just a shrink, but a friend, longtime friend and colleague,

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Speaker 1: Karen Stark is with me, forensic psychologist Karen. That's survivor guilt, right,

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Speaker 1: because even I think I could have saved Keith, and

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Speaker 1: with a construction crew. There's nothing I could do. But

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Speaker 1: in my mind, I think, well, why didn't I fill

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Speaker 9: It's a primal feeling. I'm not surprised at all, because,

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Speaker 9: you're there to protect them. They are not supposed to

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Speaker 9: die before you and something this horrific, Nancy a murder,

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Speaker 9: So that primal feeling of I should have been there,

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Speaker 9: I should have done something, I should have protected him.

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Speaker 9: That's a normal feeling. It's very normal because it is

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Speaker 9: You had him, you were supposed to protect him, even

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Speaker 9: though it's not true and there was nothing you could do.

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Speaker 1: But I guess there's no way to avoid that feeling. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we're going back to that night. Listen.

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Speaker 10: December sixth, the Tipton family is enjoying their first holiday

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Speaker 10: season and their new home. Dean and Heather have already

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Speaker 10: put up the Christmas tree, and their children rearranged the

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Speaker 10: girl's bedroom into a movie theater so they can have

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Speaker 10: a Christmas movie marathon. Heather finds Coral Lily in Dakota's beds,

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace to Deane and Coral, I'm

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Speaker 1: trying to imagine that we do that too. The next day,

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Speaker 1: after Thanksgiving, which everybody goes shopping, we don't. Everybody gets

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Speaker 1: tell me what that night was like, guys? The movies?

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Speaker 5: We had made Christmas candy earlier that day we had

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Speaker 5: Christmas candy. And what was it? The Elf? That was

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Speaker 5: Logan's favorite movie, The Elf, and we had started with it,

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Speaker 5: and pretty much that was That movie was on rerun

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Speaker 1: Forced the children to watch the Kermit Scrooge movie Christmas Carol,

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Speaker 1: and then they go to Elf, and we watched Elf

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Speaker 4: He stabbed me through, so she in my back and

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Speaker 4: he started swamping on my head after that, and.

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Speaker 1: I kind of blocked out. You know, there's so much

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Speaker 1: to cover with Dane and Coral. What about Dakota, By

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Speaker 1: the way, that's from at the official Wolf Slash YouTube.

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Speaker 1: What about Dakota? How, I mean, how has she managed

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Speaker 5: She's had her rough hearing that the man was innocent

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Speaker 5: by reason of insanity. Her little mind couldn't understand that.

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Speaker 5: You know. She all the kids told us, Daddy, we

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Speaker 5: watched him do it, how is he innocent? And that

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Speaker 5: has lashed out. She was in trouble for a while.

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Speaker 5: I think she felt like, well, he can get away

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Speaker 5: rough on her. It's been rough on all my kids, Dane.

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Speaker 1: When I would work with child victims, victims of Eleanie's,

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Speaker 1: whether they had been beaten or had cigarette burns all

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Speaker 1: so many different reactions. And you know, like the classic

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Speaker 1: classic symptom is exactly what you just said. After going

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Speaker 1: deal with it. They can either go into themselves or

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Speaker 1: they can act out. And I know that doesn't help

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Speaker 1: to note this is normal, this is what happens. But

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Speaker 1: this went on for some time with Dakota, right, and

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Speaker 1: it just had to exhaust you guys trying to help her.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it was. We were in court at one time

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Speaker 5: with Dakota for about six years and it was all

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Speaker 5: due to fighting and acting out in school truancy. She

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Speaker 5: they're not going to do anything to me. If they

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Speaker 5: let him go, they'll let me go.

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Speaker 1: Greg Morse joining me veteran criminal defense attorney at Morse Legal.

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Speaker 1: He is the author of the Untested on Amazon. Greg,

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Speaker 1: I'm uncharacteristically not asking you to take the other side,

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Speaker 1: but I know you've seen like I have. You stand

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Speaker 1: in court and you see a complete injustice. It's like

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Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do. And when I hear about like,

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Speaker 1: I hear the dad crying, I hear the sister crying.

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Speaker 1: But when I think about Dakota, you know she was

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Speaker 1: attacked lashing out for the following years, that's very rare.

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Speaker 1: it happens. That's very rare for a girl statistically to

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Speaker 1: really bad trouble that's coming from this incident, and it's

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Speaker 1: Joining us now tonight a very special guest, Theodore Joseph TJ.

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Speaker 1: Roberts in the Kentucky House of Reps for the sixty

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Speaker 1: six district. It's a real pleasure to have you on.

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Speaker 1: I normally don't wade into the cesspool of politics. I

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Speaker 1: Representative Roberts, I greatly appreciate what you're trying to do.

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Speaker 1: Could you explain in a nutshell what you're trying to

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 13: So the reality is the Tipton family was victimized twice,

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Speaker 13: he was found not guilty by reason of insanity for

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Speaker 13: then second, he was sentenced to twenty years in prison

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Speaker 13: for the assaults, which under Kentucky law at the time,

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Speaker 13: didn't even constitute a crime of violence somehow, and as

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Speaker 13: codified into statute in twenty eleven called mandatory re entry supervision.

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Speaker 13: And as a consequence of that, Ronald Exantis, who murdered

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Speaker 13: under Kentucky law. So I have introduced two bill requests

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Speaker 13: to fifty, which abolishes the mandatory re entry supervision program.

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Speaker 5: We have a parole board for determining wins.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, You've gone death,

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Speaker 1: come for it abolished. It abolishes the automatic re entries.

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Speaker 1: That what you just said. It abolishes what yes, ma'am.

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Speaker 13: It abolishes the automatic re entry into society for convicted

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Speaker 13: criminals who have been sentenced to incarceration. And I think

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Speaker 13: that's one of the most important ways to address this.

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Speaker 13: Make sure that violent criminals serve their full sentence and

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Speaker 13: for those who are nonviolent, that's what the parole board

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Speaker 13: is for. A group of nine people to determine whether

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Speaker 13: or not this person is truly repentant of their crimes,

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Speaker 13: back to human beings who can make the judge and

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Speaker 13: call for themselves. Do I really want this person paving

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Speaker 1: Roberts of the sixty sixty district there in Kentucky. So,

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Speaker 1: Kentucky has what you're calling automatic re entry that regardless

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Speaker 1: to let him out. I was all ready to blame them,

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Speaker 1: the automatic re entry in Kentucky. Let me ask you

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Speaker 1: a jnov a judgment notwithstanding the verdict? I swear I

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Speaker 1: How can he be saying count one insane for count

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Speaker 1: done a jnov judgment notwithstanding the verdict. Basically Latin phrase,

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Speaker 1: jury clearly didn't get it.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 1: That's correct.

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Speaker 13: And the only way that I see you being sane

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Speaker 13: jury misconduct where they decided to negotiate on a split verdict.

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Speaker 13: And that's why I requested bill Request ten fifty one,

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Speaker 1: Kentucky is guilty but mentally ill. Do you guys have

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Speaker 1: any because with that, if you I don't know, I

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Speaker 1: don't get one. They to do that. Guilty but mentally

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Speaker 1: I'm so grateful you're doing this. We can't do anything

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Speaker 1: if we hadn't done that, if his dad and his

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Speaker 1: to your attention. But you're on a crusade, and God willing,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna be successful. I don't know what you are.

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Speaker 1: You might be a Democrat, you might be a Republican,

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Speaker 1: you might be a Greenie. But I'm voting for you.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: I want you to hear more from Coral and Lily

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Speaker 1: Tipton about the night their baby, their brother, Logan. What's murdered?

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Speaker 14: He kicks the butter knife starts out, my belly button,

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Speaker 4: On my chest and I go get my dad, and

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Speaker 4: I remember exactly what I said to my dad that night.

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Speaker 1: Logan straight back to Dean at tipped in this is

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Speaker 5: It's something I regret every day. I wish I had

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Speaker 1: Mister Tipton, when you saw Logan Steel lying there, you

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Speaker 5: We were we were kind of eliminated on what Gordy Shaw,

435
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Speaker 5: which was our prosecuting attorney, would allow us to say.

436
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Speaker 5: Me and Gordy Shaw had uh had had words once before,

437
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Speaker 5: and he looked at me and told me that he

438
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Speaker 5: would go through this trial with or without me, because

439
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 5: I was questioning the way he was doing things.

440
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Speaker 1: So getting to tell the jury.

441
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Speaker 5: I didn't get to tell Jerry that the man begged

442
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Speaker 5: me not to kill him. Uh because when I was

443
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Speaker 5: when I had him down the second time, when I

444
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 5: had him down on the ground, uh I was, I

445
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 5: was mad. I was furious. I was like, this man

446
00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 5: is in my children's room and uh I told him,

447
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 5: I said, I'm going to kill you. And I was

448
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Speaker 5: starting to try to break his neck. And uh I

449
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 5: had just had shoulder surgery two weeks before that, and

450
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Speaker 5: uh I was hearing this ripping and tearing. I thought

451
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Speaker 5: it was his neck, but it was It ended up

452
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Speaker 5: being me tearing my shoulder back apart. And as I

453
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Speaker 5: was trying to kill him, he begged me, begged me

454
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Speaker 5: not to do it. He said, I know you should

455
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Speaker 5: do it, but please do not kill me. Please, I

456
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Speaker 5: beg you not to kill me.

457
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Speaker 1: Oh my stars, right there, Greg Morries, don't fight with

458
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Speaker 1: me on this. But isn't it true The definition of

459
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Speaker 1: insanity is the old mc naughton test, do you know

460
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 1: right from wrong? At the time of the incident, and

461
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Speaker 1: he said, he said to Dean tempting, I know you've

462
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Speaker 1: got a right to, but please don't kill me.

463
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Speaker 12: I mean no, on this we agree. I don't know

464
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Speaker 12: why that's a defendant statement that comes in. There's no

465
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Speaker 12: reason under the rules of evidence. I'm not sure why

466
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Speaker 12: that wouldn't be part of the story that is told

467
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Speaker 12: by the witnesses that you.

468
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Speaker 1: Know, experience this tragedy.

469
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Speaker 12: So that's that is bizarre, But I'm not sure would

470
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Speaker 12: have led to a different result.

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Speaker 5: While I agree with.

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Speaker 1: You, I can tell you right now, Morse, the litmus

473
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Speaker 1: test for insanity is do you know right from wrong

474
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Speaker 1: at the time of the incident? Karen Starr, Yes, you're

475
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: the renowned psychologist for someone to say, I know you

476
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Speaker 1: have a right to kill me, but please don't kill me.

477
00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: That so c knows what he did was wrong.

478
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Speaker 9: Absolutely knows you have the right. I don't blame you.

479
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 9: You have the right to kill me, but please, I'm begging,

480
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Speaker 9: even begging him not to be kissed. Don't kill me.

481
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Speaker 9: Awareness that's somebody who knows the difference between what he

482
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Speaker 9: was supposed to do and what he did do, which

483
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 9: was horrific. So I don't understand. I don't know the

484
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Speaker 9: law the way you do, Nancy, But how could it

485
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Speaker 9: possibly be that they decide that he's insane?

486
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Speaker 1: You know what Karen Starr, You don't have to know

487
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Speaker 1: the law to know that this jury got at bass

488
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Ackwards even with the tip to testifying. As you have

489
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:34,240
Speaker 1: heard them speak tonight, this is what the jury did.

490
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Speaker 5: The jury has returned the fall of burden. Were found

491
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Speaker 5: is not guilty.

492
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Speaker 1: My children lived through hell every single day and I.

493
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Speaker 12: Had to tell them this morning that he was found

494
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Speaker 12: not guilty of killing their brother.

495
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Speaker 1: That they witnessed. They saw it, they heard.

496
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 11: Him say he did it, and he's not guilty.

497
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Speaker 1: That is an insane verdict. Elie X eighteen Crime Stories

498
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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. How did this jury let Exantus slip

499
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Speaker 1: through their fingers? Joining us tonight Logan's dad and sister,

500
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:37,760
Speaker 1: Dane and Coral. So first there is the horrific news

501
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,800
Speaker 1: that there's a split verdict, which doesn't make any sense.

502
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 1: You have to explain to your children what happened. And

503
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:50,239
Speaker 1: now a few years pass and he's suddenly out. How

504
00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 1: did you find out Xantas has walked?

505
00:34:55,680 --> 00:35:01,840
Speaker 5: I found out in June Lily he had contacted the

506
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:06,239
Speaker 5: pro board and was wondering what was going on. The

507
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 5: pro Board told her that he was going to be

508
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:15,120
Speaker 5: released sometime in October so our pro hearing really wasn't

509
00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 5: going to make sense because our pro hearing was going

510
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 5: to be in November, so there was nothing that we

511
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,680
Speaker 5: could do. I didn't find out until the day of

512
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 5: October first that he had been released that day, so

513
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,800
Speaker 5: he was done. I'm assuming he was done out of

514
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 5: the state of Kentucky by the time I found out.

515
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: Long gone, Long gone headed to Florida. So when you

516
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 1: find out they have released him, he hadn't even done

517
00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 1: half of his time. Even on the minimal charges on

518
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: which he was convicted, he would have done twenty So

519
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: how did you break that to your family that Exantis

520
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: has walked free.

521
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 5: We all was sitting here together. We've been my father

522
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 5: passed away August twenty second. We were all spending all

523
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 5: a lot of time here at my mom's and we

524
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 5: were all here discussing it together. When we found out.

525
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 5: There was a lot of emotions, a lot of tears,

526
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 5: a lot of anger, a lot of anxiety because that

527
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 5: night he told Coral that he was going to kill

528
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 5: all of us. And now we're nervous, we're scared that

529
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 5: he may come back and try to finish what he started.

530
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Speaker 1: It's still a mystery to most people, how this happened,

531
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Speaker 1: how he walked in less than half the time of

532
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 1: his already paltry sentence. This is what we've learned.

533
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 11: Ronald Exantis, who attacked the Tipton family in their sleep,

534
00:36:57,320 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 11: killing six year old Logan, release from prison more than

535
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 11: ten years early. The Tiptons and the nation outrage, calling

536
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 11: exeantus release a gross miscarriage of justice, members of the

537
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 11: parole board receiving death threats but blaming the states mandatory

538
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 11: supervised release law.

539
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:17,239
Speaker 10: When sentenced to twenty years, Exantus has already served more

540
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 10: than two. Exantus whittles down another seven and a half

541
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Speaker 10: years with good behavior and participation in work in education programs.

542
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Speaker 10: Kentucky's mandatory supervised release law requires convicts within six months

543
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 10: of their estimated endate be released to parole early.

544
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Speaker 1: It's the perfect storm. Mister Tipton, his good behavior, his

545
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 1: going to a class behind bars. Then when you get

546
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 1: six months to your release date, they cut you loose.

547
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it all factored in to early release. And

548
00:37:56,080 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: then you find out the way that you did. Can

549
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 1: you believe he goes and he's supposed to be on

550
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: these meds, right, he goes from Kentucky straight to Florida

551
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: and gets a place directly beside an elementary school.

552
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 5: Did you know that it's sickening? Is what that is?

553
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,880
Speaker 5: It's a disgrace, Coral.

554
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 1: I want to understand what went through your mind when

555
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:29,960
Speaker 1: you hear Exantis that you saw, you saw him in

556
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: the home had walked free. First, there was a not

557
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: guilty in gb R I by the reason of insanity

558
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: split verdict, but sane for the simple salts assaults. But

559
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: now he walks free and nobody even told you.

560
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Speaker 15: I was in the doctor's office when I got the

561
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,359
Speaker 15: message and the call pop up across my phone that

562
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 15: Ronald Exanders had been released, and I just broke down

563
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,360
Speaker 15: to my doctor and we had a little cry in session,

564
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 15: and I told her I was scared. I was scared

565
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 15: to be in brus Sales, where he knew that I lived.

566
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 15: I was scared to go out because what if I

567
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,879
Speaker 15: turn and he's done made his way back and he's

568
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 15: right behind me.

569
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: So he walks free, then makes his way down to

570
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: the Sunshine State and moves into a place all on

571
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: his own, no insanity, directly beside an elementary school. Take

572
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 1: a listen to Lieutenant Paul Bloom.

573
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:36,280
Speaker 16: After further check and looking into his case, we realized

574
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 16: that he had failed to do one thing, and that

575
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 16: was register here as a felon. In Florida, they have

576
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 16: forty eight hours to register as a felon, and he

577
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:44,440
Speaker 16: had failed to do that. So he was told by

578
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,919
Speaker 16: the Department of Corrections, they're giving a given a form,

579
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Speaker 16: just print it out in whatever language you speak. And

580
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 16: he has given that and was told, you have forty

581
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 16: eight hours to register at the Marion County Sheriff's office.

582
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Speaker 16: And we have fellons that come here and register every

583
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Speaker 16: single day of the week, so they know that they're

584
00:39:58,760 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 16: told this.

585
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: He just will. He flaunted that that is from Marion County, Florida.

586
00:40:06,400 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: They acted because he examser failed to fill out a

587
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 1: form that all parolice must fill out. And there's more.

588
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 16: He was standing in his garage, out in his driveway

589
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 16: and when we spotted him, and he's his I think

590
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 16: his first words where he didn't know why he was

591
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 16: being arrested. But whether he knew that or not, it's

592
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Speaker 16: hard for me to believe because they are given this.

593
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:33,720
Speaker 16: I don't know how all the other one hundred foundins

594
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Speaker 16: before him understood that, and I came here and registered

595
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 16: and he's one hundred and first one did not understand this,

596
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:43,399
Speaker 16: So that argument is invalid for us and for him.

597
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: Well, thank Heaven, Florida LA law enforcement acted. And did

598
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:54,520
Speaker 1: you hear that, Deane and Coral Tipton that when Ellie

599
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: shows up, he's like, why are you arresting me? He

600
00:40:56,800 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 1: knows exactly what's going on. There's no question.

601
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Speaker 5: Yeah. I think he was going to run. I think

602
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 5: he never had intentions at all to turn that paperwork

603
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 5: into the sheriff's office. I think he was going to

604
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 5: run or he was going to kill. Again.

605
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: Logan's father and sister with us tonight, Dane and Coral, Coral,

606
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: what is your message to not only crime victims, but

607
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: the Florida l e that apprehended him and the Kentucky government.

608
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 15: First, I would like to send my thinks to Florida

609
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 15: from on behalf of my whole entire family. But as

610
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 15: far as victims of something like this has happened to you,

611
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 15: don't give up, don't stop, and don't back down, because

612
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 15: even though.

613
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 8: You might feel like the government doesn't here, there are

614
00:41:57,520 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 8: a lot of people around that aren't part of the

615
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 8: that does care and.

616
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 15: You will be heard eventually. Just keep fighting on behalf

617
00:42:09,120 --> 00:42:13,160
Speaker 15: of Andy Bush here. We'd love to speak to you.

618
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 15: You haven't spoke spoke to us. You shut us down

619
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 15: every single time. To the Trump administration in the White House,

620
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 15: you posted that you were investigating. We still haven't heard anything.

621
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 15: And I believe we really need to get on the

622
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 15: ball with this because my brother didn't die for no reason.

623
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 15: This monster might have tooken taken him from no reason.

624
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 15: But something needs to come up, something coral.

625
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:40,759
Speaker 1: Because you tell me what you want to be when

626
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,399
Speaker 1: you grow up.

627
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,240
Speaker 15: The mom I am now, but that's all that I

628
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 15: want to be is a mom.

629
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Speaker 1: You're going to be the best mom ever to Dane.

630
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Speaker 1: Mister Tipton, you have a story about Logan and Sunday School.

631
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Speaker 5: Yes, I've been asked several times how to describe who

632
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 5: Logan was, and the best way I know to describing

633
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:23,040
Speaker 5: is his Sunday School teacher reached out to me after

634
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 5: all this happened, and this was this was in November,

635
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 5: the end of November, right a week or two before

636
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 5: December seventh. She said they were the Sunday School class

637
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 5: was writing down what they were going to give Jesus

638
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:43,240
Speaker 5: for his birthday for Christmas, and Logan hadn't written anything down,

639
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:46,319
Speaker 5: and the Sunday school teacher asked him, said Logan, why

640
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,240
Speaker 5: haven't you written anything down? And he said, I've already

641
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 5: given Jesus. I've already given Jesus my gift. And she

642
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 5: said what was that? She said, I gave him my heart.

643
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 5: This is coming from a six year old little boy.

644
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 5: That's who my son was. That's exactly who my son was.

645
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Speaker 1: Mister Dean Tipton, what is your message to other crime victims?

646
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 5: Don't don't give up? Like Korl said that, there are

647
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 5: people out there who care. I care, and I'll continue

648
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 5: to fight what's right for my son to the day

649
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 5: I die. Whether it be we charge this man federally

650
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 5: because he crossed state lines committed a murder. It's called

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Speaker 5: dual simontry. Whatever it takes, I'm going to go to

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Speaker 5: my grade fighting for justice for Logan and my family.

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Speaker 1: Mister Dean Tipton and Karl, please know that we're going

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Speaker 1: to go with you.

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Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Good night, and now we remember American hero Trooper Nicholas Caton,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State Patrol killed in the line of duty, leaving

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Speaker 1: behind a grieving wife and two beautiful children. Sentenced to

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Speaker 1: life without dad. American hero Trooper Nicholas Caton Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye Mad