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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for

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Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four

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Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer and Enius Williams.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm a Nius Williams.

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Speaker 1: Today we are talking special teams, that's right, Special teams

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Speaker 1: with a bunch of kickers. That's right. Man. I can't

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Speaker 1: think how many games I had to wait for the

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Speaker 1: kicker to go out and make the field goal so

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Speaker 1: we can win. So I really appreciate, uh, you guys

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Speaker 1: being with me. So we have three NFL legends who

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Speaker 1: have shed some light on the NFL's most misunderstood athletes.

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Speaker 1: Let me underline athletes in here. Now we're talking yeah, now,

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Speaker 1: we're talking yeah. We have two punters, guys that made

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Speaker 1: place kicker with us today. First, one of the few

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Speaker 1: men to ever average fifty yards up punt during the season,

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Speaker 1: former Raid Huh in Texas, Shane Lechler. Then we have

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Speaker 1: and it's one of the few kickers to have ever

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Speaker 1: been hit with a franchise tag by his team. And

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Speaker 1: lastly we have former coach partner Pat McAfee, who was

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Speaker 1: also one of the funniest men in football. Welcome, gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: Thanks man. I want to start by talking about some

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Speaker 1: of the things you guys are doing right now as legends.

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Speaker 1: Let's first just talk about life. What the kickers do

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Speaker 1: when they finish Josh well with me. I mean, my

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Speaker 1: number one thing is family. You know, married, have two

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Speaker 1: I play way too much golf, as kickers and punters

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Speaker 1: time spent on things other than your your actual craft. Pat,

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Speaker 1: I make dumb stuff on the Internet, and uh, that

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Speaker 1: is literally how I that's really what I do. There's

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Speaker 1: no real further explanation. I have an internet based company.

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Speaker 1: I make content, I make videos, I make podcasts. My

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Speaker 1: friends and I wake up, go into a little bit

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Speaker 1: make dumb stuff for the Internet on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: Every once in a while kick a ball FaceTime a

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Speaker 1: legend like Shane Leckler and just live my life every

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Speaker 1: single day? Brother, Is that something you you thought about

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Speaker 1: doing while you will point? Yeah, whenever I was playing,

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Speaker 1: I started the Twitter. I started doing the Twitter, and

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Speaker 1: I started having a little bit of success there. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I was on my Space for a little bit, pokes

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Speaker 1: found my legs and I started tweeting people, started having

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Speaker 1: a good time with me, started doing stand up comedy,

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Speaker 1: it's just a kind of easy transition into the Internet,

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Speaker 1: to kind of make content to do whatever the hell

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Speaker 1: you want to do. Shane, eighteen years? Is that what

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Speaker 1: they say? Forever? One year out? Yes, So if there

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Speaker 1: it wasn't it wasn't like I went out on my

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Speaker 1: that kind of whole situation was was kind of weird.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of like, I mean, all you guys

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Speaker 1: And then that's kind of how that situation was. It

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Speaker 1: so I'm busy every day. Hold of the football player

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Speaker 1: slash punter, former punter, legend coaching softball softball. Yep, that's right.

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Speaker 1: at eight o'clock tomorrow morning. And we're gonna win too.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna win. Are you doing content right now? Right now? Yeah? Yeah? Everything. Well,

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Speaker 1: I think if if he would send me the highlights

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Speaker 1: for that. And Shane was being a little modesty, you know,

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Speaker 1: So all jokes aside, seriously appreciate you guys always jokingly

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Speaker 1: of team drills. Long is one the kick needs to

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Speaker 1: we just had well the hurricane, you know, two years ago,

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Speaker 1: We've done quite a bit with that community to that

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Speaker 1: bouncing back pretty good. The other thing, I know, you've

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Speaker 1: the internet called for the Brand, which has been magical

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Speaker 1: for me. I get a chance to highlight the great

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Speaker 1: What about you, Josh? I mean connected to the game? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm still connected. You know. I've work with the Jaguars

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Speaker 1: And a lot of the physical and mental attributes just

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