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Speaker 1: Your tuned about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation, It's the Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. Quest Shooler and Matt Williamson with you here

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Speaker 2: for the next two hours on a Wednesday, as we

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Speaker 2: have got plenty to get into here today and Matt

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Speaker 2: right off the top. Full disclosure, Okay, now, I know

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Speaker 2: real quick. Yeah, when we do this, when we pause

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Speaker 2: for like thirty seconds to talk about personal life or whatever, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think ninety percent of people enjoy it.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Ten percent of people go, we don't care, just talk

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Speaker 2: about the footballs.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: But I think when you listen to a show like this,

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Speaker 2: like you mentioned all the time, thirty segments a week or.

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Speaker 3: Say this week two hours day, right, I.

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Speaker 2: Like to think that the majority of the people listening

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Speaker 2: don't just look at you and I as robots, and

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Speaker 2: they kind of enjoy us and our personality in some

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Speaker 2: of our quirks. If you're if you're rocking and rolling

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Speaker 2: with us that much in a week, I'm sure you've

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Speaker 2: gotten this.

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Speaker 3: But I've gotten it a ton and I take it

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Speaker 3: as the biggest compliment ever, is like I live in Arizona,

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Speaker 3: and I listen to you guys, and I just it

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Speaker 3: feels like you and it used to be you and

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Speaker 3: Dale sitting at Sharky's having a beer, and I'm like,

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Speaker 3: that's exactly what we talk about. A Sharky is having

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Speaker 3: a beer. Like feels like we're sitting there with you guys,

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Speaker 3: like great, And maybe once in a while we go

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Speaker 3: off topic and be like, hey, my kid did this,

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Speaker 3: and I kid took a half court shot at Kentucky,

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Speaker 3: Like that's got a goal, you know.

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Speaker 2: Right, exactly right, And we've had some of those moments.

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Speaker 2: You're right, it's Sharky's in places like that where people

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Speaker 2: will see us and they'll chat with us for a

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Speaker 2: minute and they'll be like, this is hilarious. It's just

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Speaker 2: like listening to you guys on the.

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Speaker 3: Show, right, right, that's the playing right.

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Speaker 2: And so if you want robots, I don't know, watch

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Speaker 2: the evening News where they only talk for two minutes

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Speaker 2: at a time and everything is straight business. Thirty seconds

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Speaker 2: of peeling back the curtain for you here to get started.

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Speaker 2: I am not very prepared for this show today. I've

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Speaker 2: got a sick child at home and a child who

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Speaker 2: kept me up like crazy last night and I only

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Speaker 2: got about two hours of sleep, so I didn't do

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Speaker 2: my youth. This morning's been a little chaotic, you know,

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Speaker 2: how to take care of her and get my mom

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Speaker 2: over to the house, shout out the Grandma as always,

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Speaker 2: where would we all be without Grandma? Because of that,

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Speaker 2: I didn't have the usual time that I do to

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Speaker 2: pour into Best of the West and around campus and

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Speaker 2: all those different things. So we're gonna audible it a

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Speaker 2: little bit today.

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Speaker 3: That definitely works. That's why I did a lot of

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Speaker 3: audible one before you showed up. That's why a lot

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Speaker 3: of scrip.

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Speaker 2: Call, a lot of plays, a lot of a lot

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Speaker 2: of what key are we in here? B? Minor? All right?

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Speaker 3: Hit it?

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Speaker 2: Here comes the free form jazz instead of our traditional

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Speaker 2: around campus. And we haven't done this yet, so I

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Speaker 2: think it's okay. I wanted to look with you a

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Speaker 2: little bit. Field Yates actually just drop a mock draft and.

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Speaker 3: Fields good dude, him and I. He was just starting

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Speaker 3: at ESPN when I was leaving ESPN. Yes, so I

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Speaker 3: interacted with him quite a bit. Seems combine every year

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Speaker 3: he'll pribace sit down with those one of these combines.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, Yeah, absolutely, and yeah, and he's one of the

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Speaker 2: guys who there's a couple of these mock drafters that

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Speaker 2: He's one of them. And I like how this starts.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the quarterback conversation, how it

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Speaker 2: relates to the Steelers all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot of teams that I just think are

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Speaker 2: And I think during the bye week way back in

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Speaker 2: I did some of that, like Okay, who needs a quarterback?

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Speaker 3: Becoming Carolina does. I don't know if the Dolph the

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Speaker 3: Dolphins of Carolina were too. I was on the fence.

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Speaker 3: I think it's going to be two and young next year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, and maybe the Saints and the Browns teams

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he could at least potentially consider, depending where the

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Speaker 3: draft order falls. And totally I love Mendoza or you

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Speaker 2: And then maybe some teams that we had talked about,

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Speaker 2: like Minnesota, like Arizona who might be going back into

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Speaker 2: the court order back market. Uh, so that picture is

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Speaker 2: getting a little bit clearer. The draft orders getting a

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Speaker 3: And also, like the around camp and stuff you put together,

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Speaker 3: which is great, there was only really two games of

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Speaker 2: I mean, we could talk about Mendoza and Saying and

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Speaker 3: And I definitely maybe even next week, want to really

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Speaker 3: pick your brain about the playoffs and matchups, absolutely too, Absolutely,

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Speaker 3: I don't want to ignore college football at.

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Speaker 2: All, totally, and that those start next weekend.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe this weekend, that's right. So there's nothing like

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Speaker 3: the watch for quarterbacks or anything like that too.

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Speaker 2: Well, hold on, you mean one of these triple option

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Speaker 3: And sure in this first round Marck Field probably doesn't

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Speaker 2: You know, you're much like Alejandro Villanueva once said, the

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Speaker 2: easiest part of his day was football practice when he

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Speaker 3: Hey, my uncle of this weekend, he's going to the game.

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Speaker 3: Couldn't be more excited, Like, I would love it.

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Speaker 2: Would bucket list stuff. We we do need to do that.

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Speaker 2: One of these years. Maybe we can get a drive

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Speaker 2: sponsored trip. You know, we'll do a show, we'll do

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Speaker 2: some content pursuit. Has been a couple of times he

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Speaker 2: care what it costs, just yeah, just get there, Just

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Speaker 2: get there once and figure out the rest afterwards. Matt,

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Speaker 2: I like this mock draft from field Yates because I

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Speaker 2: think like two weeks ago we did kind of a

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Speaker 2: mini mock draft conversation. It was from someone on NFL

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Speaker 2: dot com. I don't it might have been from Dane

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Speaker 2: Brugler actually, now that I'm remembering. And he had the

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Speaker 2: Browns trading up the number one. Okay, he had the

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Speaker 2: Browns trading up the number one of the draft Fernanda Mendoza.

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Speaker 2: He had them packaging their two first round picks their

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Speaker 2: when at the time it was the Titans sitting in

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Speaker 2: up an extra first round pick made a ton of sense. Well,

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Speaker 2: in this regard, Field Yates has the Giants finishing with

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Speaker 3: Which is how I mean real quick. I think a

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Speaker 3: lot of the people know this, But Field didn't pick

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Speaker 3: the order right. Like, if the Steelers lost, they would

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Speaker 3: not be from twenty year later. If they won, they're

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Speaker 3: gonna be twenty year later because they're currently a playoff.

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Speaker 2: Last week in these mocks, the Steelers were picking fourteen,

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Speaker 2: yeah right now they're now they're picking twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know. Yeah. So the Giants sitting home are

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Speaker 3: now in the driver's seat with the first overall pick,

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Speaker 3: exactly lose out, They're gonna the first overall.

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Speaker 2: Pick, exactly right, and so with that the Giants first

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Speaker 2: overall pick, much like this exercise a couple of weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: a team that believes they have their quarterback of the future.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have mixed feelings about Dart, but you're definitely

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Speaker 3: rolling with him this year.

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Speaker 2: We both have mixed feelings about Dark but you're right.

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Speaker 2: The next head coach that they hire, that's gonna be

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Speaker 2: question number one in the interview. How are you going

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Speaker 2: to maximize Jackson Dart?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not well, we're moving away from dark Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 3: That's not happened.

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Speaker 2: If Matt Williamson walks into the offices and Easter Rutherford

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Speaker 2: like Dart, they're gonna be like, well, thanks for your time. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: You wasted a plane for that's right, much.

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Speaker 2: Like Aaron Roddy. We brought you across the country for nothing.

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Speaker 2: Although that was the Jets, not the Giants. Field has

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Speaker 2: the MetLife swap shall we call it? Okay, he has

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Speaker 2: the Jets trading up to the Giants a few spots.

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Speaker 2: Let's see here from seven to one, the Jets trading

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Speaker 2: up with the Giants. The draft. Fernando Meno Mendoza, quarterback

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Speaker 2: and Big Ten champion out of Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I assume you watched that game. I mean you

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Speaker 3: were in baldimolreh.

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Speaker 2: I thought he he doesn't blow me away either, but I.

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Speaker 3: Think I'm talking about his first overall picks.

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Speaker 2: Go as first overall picks. He does not blow me away.

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Speaker 2: But there's also this weird like, I think his worst

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Speaker 2: case scenario is Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know, and there's something he said for that,

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Speaker 3: and there's something to be said for that, like because

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Speaker 3: this draft doesn't look load at the top. It's not

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Speaker 3: like Giants straight away from Miles Garrett exactly right.

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Speaker 2: That's another great point by you, you know, and you know,

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Speaker 2: even someone like cam Ward next year, who I really

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Speaker 2: think Mendoza has a higher floor, like I think, yes,

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Speaker 2: I think worst case scenario, Mendoza is a good NFL

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Speaker 2: starter for ten to twelve years. He took He's Kirk

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Speaker 2: Cousins for ten to twelve years. So win you some

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Speaker 2: division titles, so win you some playoff games, super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: Who knows. If you get him in the right situation,

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Speaker 2: sure he's not going to completely elevate your organization, but

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Speaker 2: it's not going to be it's not going to be

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Speaker 2: a swing and a miss with a first round pick.

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Speaker 2: Completely at the same.

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Speaker 3: Time, I see him exact same way. It's funny because

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Speaker 3: we haven't had this conversation, like if everything hits maybe

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Speaker 3: he's Matt Ryan. Yes, Matt Ryan won an MVP with

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Speaker 3: Julio Jones and probably should have won a Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: pretty darn closed coaching.

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Speaker 2: Mal practice where for whatever reason they ran the ball

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Speaker 2: three times with a twenty eight to three lead.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to win four out of six Super Bowls,

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Speaker 3: but he might get you there when all the planets

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Speaker 3: aligned properly. Absolutely, And that's a good football player. And frankly,

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Speaker 3: if like Trevor Lawrence or Kyler Murray, I'm gon saying

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Speaker 3: my first overall picks had that career, that's a success.

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Speaker 2: It's better than what they've been. Doesn't have to be Elway,

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Speaker 2: even someone like Baker Mayfield, who's been very upright the

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Speaker 2: first pick.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, frankly, if they have a Cousin's career,

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Speaker 3: Right, James, the Browns have gone through and left and right.

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Speaker 2: You know, imagine if you could put Mendoza with the

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Speaker 3: With all a capital, they have a line and you know, right.

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Speaker 2: Right they do, I think have started building the nest.

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Speaker 2: prefer it was, as much as I'd prefer it was, Yes,

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Speaker 2: exactly a lot of people who just watched their college

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Speaker 3: My favorite instance is much last player. All the Penn

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Speaker 2: That guy's gonna be a top ten pick.

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Speaker 3: One game, and everyone around him was totally overmatch against.

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Speaker 2: Mendoz, a guy who couldn't lead Cal on a scoring

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Speaker 2: drive to beat Pitt. He's he's much better twelve months later.

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Speaker 3: Watch every snap, Watch every.

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Speaker 2: Snap, watch him this year in Indiana. I think he's

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Speaker 3: Oh. I like his toughness and one play right back

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Speaker 2: Know, Yes, I like the way he throws the ball.

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Speaker 2: I don't love it. I like how he's continued to

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Speaker 2: And so that's here Field Yates has Mendoza going first

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Speaker 3: We're not spend this much time on every pick, but

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Speaker 3: I will say again subject to change, because as everyone knows,

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Speaker 3: he'd be the first overall pick, and even like a

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Speaker 3: roll the dice on Ward.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get what I was gonna ask you, like, and.

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Speaker 3: This is gonna be very Steeler related, like if if,

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Speaker 3: would you rather go the Ward high ceiling, low floor

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Speaker 2: And I imagine Caleb Williams over Mendoza, Jayden Daniels over Mendoza,

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Speaker 2: and may Drake may over Mendoza, and that that's.

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Speaker 3: Not it's pretending I've never even watched them in the

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Speaker 2: But like, what about Michael PENNOCKX and J J. McCart No, okay, okay,

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Speaker 2: right right, okay, I'm with you on that. Then number

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Speaker 2: two the Raiders, Dante More that would make I think

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Speaker 3: Absolutely. My worry with the Raiders is if they go

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Speaker 2: It does it's I mean, and that's funny to say

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Speaker 2: when you have Brock Bowers in Ashton genty that's that

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Speaker 2: the offensive line might be the worst in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: Their rosters are really bad, and the defense is gonna

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Speaker 3: help you at all. That's We'll get to the Browns

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Speaker 3: here in a minute too. But like their offensive nests,

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Speaker 3: I was doing some homework on just overnight. They might

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Speaker 3: need nine starters on offense. Oh yeah, which might mean

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Speaker 3: let's just roll shador back for a year in draft lineman,

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Speaker 3: you know, but we'll get them wait, Raiders, I was

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Speaker 3: talking about the Browns one okay, sorry, yeah, okay, sorry, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: defense is great, but you might need nine offensive starters.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry, I get what you're saying. Absolutely, and the

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Speaker 3: And a fan and that's about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Raiders similar, that'd be an interesting one, like could

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Speaker 2: they punt on a quarterback? We're just going to take

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Speaker 2: the best player available here at pick two, or we're

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Speaker 3: That's that's the best move. Is the team that the

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Speaker 2: If Gino Smith were playing average football even then, then

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Speaker 2: you'd be like, okay, we'll draft Onte More and eventually

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Speaker 2: in Week nine he takes over for Gino Smith.

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Speaker 3: That's not bad.

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Speaker 2: That's the only question. If you're the Raiders and you

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Speaker 2: don't go the quarter back route is like, we're not

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Speaker 2: running it back with Gino. Kenny Pickett's not a solution.

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Speaker 2: He's a backup guy. So I don't know, maybe you

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Speaker 2: go and get a Kyler Murray or something like that doesn't,

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Speaker 2: you know, move the needle that much. But interesting, interesting

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Speaker 3: For the Raiders, And I would totally understand Jets Raiders

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Speaker 3: going quarterback quarterback.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. I mean you need them.

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Speaker 3: And again, there's not a Joe alt or Chase or

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Speaker 2: That's like at a premium position.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Smith, the receiver from Ohio State. Like if he

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Speaker 3: I'm not traded now, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Taking Jeremiah Smith. Three, the Titans take r Vel Reese,

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Speaker 2: I think for them at pick three, that would make

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Speaker 2: a ton of sense.

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Speaker 3: Love it for them.

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Speaker 2: He could be he could do Michael Parsons type things

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Speaker 2: for your for your defense.

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Speaker 3: You tackles already. Now, I was going to say he'd.

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Speaker 2: Be a very good pairing with Jeffrey Simmons exactly.

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Speaker 3: I feel exactly sweating those guys too. That's a nice start.

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Speaker 2: Maybe his rookie year, you move him around and he

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Speaker 2: eventually settles as an edge once he gets a little

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Speaker 2: the best player in this draft. Yeah, if you get

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Speaker 2: him at pick three, I think that's really smart.

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Speaker 3: Maybe you go wide receiver and force the offensive line

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Speaker 3: with the next round, you.

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Speaker 2: Know, Sure Browns at four they take Cardel Tait, the

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Speaker 2: wide receiver from Ohio State, Wow, who I think is

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Speaker 2: very good.

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Speaker 3: I'm just say, what do you think of him? I mean,

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Speaker 3: he doesn't he doesn't blow me away as the clear

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Speaker 3: wide receiver one.

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Speaker 2: But this is a similar conversation to last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna probably really like the top two or three picks,

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Speaker 2: and then pick four to seven, eight, nine might underwhelm me.

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Speaker 3: Last year was very heavy that way.

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Speaker 2: Last year was very heavy that way, where it was

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Speaker 2: like Cam Woard, Travis Hunter, what's his face from Penn State,

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Speaker 2: Abdul Carter, Oh yeah yeah, and then it was like

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Speaker 2: there's a I like the middle class after those guys.

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Speaker 2: But I don't really like that second wave of what's

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Speaker 2: supposed to be elite where you get the Joe Alts

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Speaker 3: At Mason Graham that went to the Browns exactly right,

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Speaker 3: should be the twelfth pick in the draft, and you're

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Speaker 3: taking exactly right, you know what I mean, just because

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Speaker 3: there's no one else to take, Like I could see

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Speaker 3: this draft leading like that a lot.

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Speaker 2: That's where I'm at.

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Speaker 3: So I don't and there's not even a clear number

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Speaker 3: from what I've seen. Wide receiver one isn't locked up

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Speaker 3: for Tait either.

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Speaker 2: Like I prefer Jordan Tyson. I think they're both first

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Speaker 2: round picks, like, without a doubt, they're both top fifteen picks,

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Speaker 2: good players.

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Speaker 3: Like as of like a month ago, I looked at

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Speaker 3: tight at Tate is like maybe that's a Steelers first rounder.

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Speaker 2: In he was getting locked there. Yeah, like in the

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Speaker 2: stretch for Ohio State. I give him the Mecca Abuka

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Speaker 2: this time a lot of people were saying, yeah, Mecca

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Speaker 2: Buk is good, but he's not a real high ceiling.

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Speaker 2: He's playing off of Jeremiah Smith, you know. And I

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Speaker 2: think maybe there's some but but I still think Carnel

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Speaker 2: team pick four just might be a little rich for

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Speaker 3: He seems like a T. Higgins, not a Chase Yes,

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, which is again, if that's

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Speaker 3: all you got to pick from this draft, it's from Bacon,

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Speaker 3: right right right, Yeah, But.

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Speaker 2: That would be back to back years of a top

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Speaker 2: five pick for the Browns that would kind of underwhelm me. Yes,

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Speaker 2: good player. I'm not saying that these guys stink are

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Speaker 2: gonna bust. I just don't think there's any chance they're

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Speaker 2: gonna wear gold jackets one day either, which is what

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Speaker 2: you want for that drafting area. Saints A five Francis Moyaga.

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Speaker 2: I believe that's how he pronounces his last name, The

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Speaker 2: very very good tackle from Miami. I prefer Fannu from Utah,

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Speaker 2: who he has going eighth to Arizona. But I think

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Speaker 2: those are the clear best two offensive tackles in the league.

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Speaker 2: You get him and you run it back with Shuck

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And So I haven't looked at this at all,

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Speaker 3: but I imagine he took the Miami kid instead of the

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Speaker 3: someone that could at least bump.

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Speaker 2: In Yeah and and he talks actually about how they

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Speaker 3: So I think there's a real good chance Shuck is

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Speaker 2: I I think if it continues down the down the

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Speaker 2: line here, that's going to be the case.

438
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Speaker 3: Especially if they're not picking the top five ish, you know.

439
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Speaker 2: Number six Washington Commander is a guy that I just

440
00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,600
Speaker 2: saw with my own two eyes about ten days ago,

441
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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson, who really looked the part. David Bailey, edge

442
00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:42,119
Speaker 2: rusher from Texas Tech, and.

443
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Speaker 3: I really hope they go defense. I mean, the offense

444
00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:46,800
Speaker 3: to me is pretty darn set.

445
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Speaker 2: It is, but they're just their defense is so old

446
00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,680
Speaker 2: like Von Miller and Bobby Wagner.

447
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's old and it's bad, and they

448
00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:56,520
Speaker 3: have to really enforce that defense.

449
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:59,040
Speaker 2: He's got thirteen and a half sacks, David Bailey, He's

450
00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:04,120
Speaker 2: just been a rigging wrecking ball. I really like him.

451
00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:06,440
Speaker 2: He's not more of like a three four outside, He's

452
00:19:06,480 --> 00:19:08,440
Speaker 2: more of a three like. He His ceiling is like

453
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Speaker 2: a TJ. Watt, you know. But he has that same

454
00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,439
Speaker 2: knack for not necessarily the physical intimidation of a of

455
00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,520
Speaker 2: a Bosa or a Miles Garrett right like the stout

456
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,160
Speaker 2: hand in the ground on the edge. But the dude

457
00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:24,160
Speaker 2: just makes place. He knows how to get after quarterbacks.

458
00:19:24,200 --> 00:19:26,480
Speaker 2: He knows how to force force fumbles, eight of them.

459
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Speaker 3: Like he just I've heard a lot of Benito comparison.

460
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Speaker 2: It's a good one. Yeah, could do a lot of

461
00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:38,560
Speaker 2: different things for you. And man, he like he started

462
00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,040
Speaker 2: his career at Stanford and really took I mean, had

463
00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 2: like four sacks as a true freshman at Stanford and

464
00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,359
Speaker 2: then transferred to Texas Tech. And yeah, probably smart to

465
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Speaker 2: school there. I like that pick for the Commanders.

466
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Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. Defense available and he could be the best.

467
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Speaker 2: He could be the best defensive player in this draft.

468
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Speaker 2: I think it's r VL Reese, but it wouldn't surprise me.

469
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Speaker 2: Of five years from now, it's David Bailey.

470
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Speaker 3: Downs is the other one, but he's a safety, and

471
00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:03,240
Speaker 3: what are you paying for a safety?

472
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Speaker 4: You know?

473
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Speaker 2: Right? I really like Caleb Downs. You're right, and he

474
00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,399
Speaker 2: goes in the top ten here, but that's also do

475
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Speaker 2: you want to take a safety at Yeah?

476
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Speaker 3: Six overall solves all your problems with the Commander.

477
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Speaker 2: Let's do a couple more here then we'll take a break.

478
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Speaker 2: Pick this up on the other side, Like Giants at seven,

479
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Speaker 2: Matt of course because of that trade with the With

480
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Speaker 2: the Jets, they take Jordan Tyson, the Arizona state wide receiver, who.

481
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Speaker 3: Pair him with neighbors. I mean, you're setting things up

482
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Speaker 3: for dark then.

483
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Speaker 2: I think that that would be a good move by

484
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Speaker 2: the Giants. They've got some nice pieces on defense. I

485
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Speaker 2: don't think the offensive line is a disaster.

486
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Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's trendous.

487
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Speaker 2: If you can give Jackson Dart now what could end

488
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,160
Speaker 2: up being two number one wide receivers, right, you're really

489
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Speaker 2: setting him up, really setting him up for success.

490
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Speaker 3: Like the wandel Robinson's and Slaton's are your threes and

491
00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:46,639
Speaker 3: like that.

492
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Speaker 2: You're in a good spot. Right, You're in a very

493
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Speaker 2: good spot. And I think I think Jordan Tyson might

494
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 2: be the best playmaker in this draft. He's been banged

495
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:54,959
Speaker 2: up the last couple of weeks, which has caused him

496
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,360
Speaker 2: to fall down these draft boards, but his tape is impressive.

497
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Speaker 2: He's got some tech McMillan, that's trade Millon traits about him.

498
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Speaker 2: Number eight, the Arizona Cardinals. They take Spencer Fanu, the

499
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Speaker 2: tackle from Utah, who I think is the best tackle

500
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Speaker 2: in this draft.

501
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Speaker 3: I'm a big Paris Johnson fan. But that's only one

502
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 3: that you need someone on the other side.

503
00:21:13,400 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: You need someone on the other I think this dude

504
00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 2: is nasty, this dude is violent. He's that. He's that

505
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Speaker 2: Utah Samoan, you know what I mean, Utah guys in

506
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:25,560
Speaker 2: the trenches that they pump out every couple of years

507
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 2: that are just brick houses in there. Caleb Downs goes

508
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Speaker 2: ninth to the Rams. That's the Rams pick. That a

509
00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 2: thanks for Caleb Downs here.

510
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Speaker 3: Maybe the best defensive player in the draft.

511
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Speaker 2: Maybe the best defensive player in the draft. They could

512
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Speaker 2: really do some branch type stuff with him, some like

513
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Speaker 2: when Jamal Adams was at his prime stuff with him.

514
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:51,680
Speaker 2: I think that would be for a team that's really

515
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Speaker 2: stinking good already, that would be a heck of a steal.

516
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Speaker 2: And then another guy who I think could end up

517
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Speaker 2: being the best defensive player in this this draft is

518
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Speaker 2: Ruben Bain Junior, the edge rusher from Miami. He goes

519
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Speaker 2: tenth to the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Henderson is not going to be back. Well, they might franchise.

521
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Speaker 2: I'm who the heck knows, And I mean that would

522
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Speaker 2: be to go from taking Shamar Stewart. What I think

523
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Speaker 2: twelfth overall last year to going back to an edge

524
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Speaker 2: rusher at tenth. I don't know if that's the best

525
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Speaker 2: use of resources.

526
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Speaker 3: Miles Murphy two years ago too. I mean, like they

527
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Speaker 3: just keep going.

528
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Speaker 2: But but I also think he's the clear cut best

529
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Speaker 2: player on the board here at ten, and that would

530
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Speaker 2: be a good He's a guy who could go five

531
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Speaker 2: and you get him at ten.

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Speaker 3: And how could you really criticize the Bengals for just

533
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Speaker 3: taking best defensive player available, no matter what it is,

534
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Speaker 3: what position is.

535
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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm with you on that. So let's continue this

536
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Speaker 2: exercise on the other side, specifically, any more quarterbacks. Where

537
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Speaker 2: do the Steelers go? We'll get to that when we

538
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Speaker 2: return West Shouler, Matt Williamson. It's the Drive on the

539
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Speaker 2: Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: Your tune's about Drive on your twenty four to seven

541
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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goals Steelers Nation Radio.

542
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Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here is we continue to do

543
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Speaker 2: some around campus, some NFL draft talk. We've repurposed around

544
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Speaker 2: campus for the first two segments of the show. Here today,

545
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Speaker 2: we're going to talk to our buddy Chris Hallick in

546
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Speaker 2: about ten to fifteen minutes. But before we do that, Matt,

547
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Speaker 2: I want to continue this and see where some of

548
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Speaker 2: these quarterbacks fall and what happened. Yeah, we'll go faster

549
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,200
Speaker 2: in this one. And that's always the case the top

550
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Speaker 2: ten picks. There's always more meat on the bone to

551
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Speaker 2: chew on. Vikings at eleven and they select Mansord Delaney,

552
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 2: who I think has the coolest name is. I mean,

553
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: he sounds like he should be like a noble lord

554
00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: from you know, from the UK and the seventeen hundreds

555
00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 2: or something, Mensol Delaney. But the corner out of LSU.

556
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Speaker 2: Man he's versatile. He started at Virginia Tech for most

557
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 2: of his career, transferred this past season to LSU. He's

558
00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 2: got size, He's like, I'm trying to think of a

559
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,879
Speaker 2: good example, but he's so violent. He's so disruptive in

560
00:23:58,960 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 2: combat catches.

561
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

562
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like he is not bashful at all. He's not bashful.

563
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 2: He to me, has the full gambit of the skill

564
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:08,280
Speaker 2: set that you want from a number one corner. He's

565
00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 2: got the size, he's got the physicality, he's got the frame,

566
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Speaker 2: he's got the athleticism.

567
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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: First corner off the board at pick eleven, I think

569
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Speaker 2: is a very worthy pick for him.

570
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Speaker 3: There from what I gather, there's not a Ramsey or

571
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Speaker 3: a Peterson coming out. That's a you know, Sauce or Stingley.

572
00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,480
Speaker 3: That's like, that's a top five pick all day long.

573
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Speaker 2: Christian Gonzalez, although he might have been drafted right he

574
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Speaker 2: was ten eleven range.

575
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Speaker 3: But yes, but I think that there is still some

576
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Speaker 3: battling to do, like the receiver position of who's going

577
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 3: to be corner one? Agreed, And there's a chance that

578
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Speaker 3: Steelers could go corner around one.

579
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, absolutely, And again you know how all these

580
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Speaker 2: things fall, and we'll do plenty of those exercises. Time

581
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Speaker 2: we get to the you know, pick one, if you're

582
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Speaker 2: the Steelers, who are you taking? And then a pick two?

583
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Speaker 2: Who are you taking? Twelve is the Miami Dolphins. Oh

584
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Speaker 2: my goodness. I mean they were at one point they

585
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Speaker 2: were picking two. Now they're not back into twelve. They

586
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Speaker 2: take Keldric Falk, the edge rusher for the Auburn.

587
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Speaker 3: Their edge guys aren't bad though they took Chop recently and.

588
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 2: They still have Bradley Chubb. They did trade Jalen Phillips

589
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 2: to the Eagles, but.

590
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Speaker 3: They're another one maybe best defensive player available, wouldn't be

591
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Speaker 3: a terrible idea. Rubb is kind of expensive and old.

592
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Speaker 3: He could not be back.

593
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: I was gonna he's getting to that point too where he.

594
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 3: Will talk about him in the next couple of days. But

595
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Speaker 3: there their edge guys aren't bad.

596
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Speaker 2: No, they're not. And that's even with you know, sending

597
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Speaker 2: Jalen Phillips to the other side of the Commonwealth. Here

598
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Speaker 2: thirteen the Baltimore Ravens Peter Woods defensive tackle from Clemson,

599
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Speaker 2: Travis Jones is going to be a free agent. Matt a.

600
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Speaker 2: Bouquet has that neck injury.

601
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Speaker 3: He may never be the same.

602
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: He may never be the same.

603
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Speaker 3: Their the tackles are not great at the moment. I

604
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Speaker 3: think that's a real good chance they go d tackling

605
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Speaker 3: wrong one.

606
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Speaker 2: I think so too. He would be the first one

607
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Speaker 2: off the board, and he'll.

608
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Speaker 3: Talk about him maybe being the first overall pick before

609
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Speaker 3: the season started. They don't think he's been disappointing, but

610
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Speaker 3: he hasn't like taken an up to a level or anything.

611
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Speaker 2: And he's one of those almost you know, let's do

612
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Speaker 2: the let's do the Casey Hampton example. He's not huge.

613
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Speaker 2: He's listed at six to two. I think it might

614
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Speaker 2: be more like he might be six foot and a half.

615
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Speaker 2: You know, he's got thirty two inch arms, thirty one

616
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 2: and a half inch arms. But he is that guy

617
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Speaker 2: that if you can put him in the middle of

618
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Speaker 2: your defense, he can. He can a gap and just

619
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Speaker 2: hold and let everybody, let Rocon Smith and everybody else

620
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Speaker 2: do their job.

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Speaker 3: They've always had those type of dudes. Yes, yeah, right,

622
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Speaker 3: Matta Bouquet is. It's not a one for one Matta

623
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Speaker 3: Bouquet comp but it is. Yeah, they need a force

624
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Speaker 3: in the middle back.

625
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Speaker 2: He could be one of those a little undersized, but

626
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Speaker 2: just you know, wrecking ball types in the middle of

627
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Speaker 2: the defensive line that's impossible to move. Fourteen. I would hate,

628
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Speaker 2: capital h ate hate this, but Field has the Kansas

629
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Speaker 2: City Chiefs drafting Jeremiah Love the running back. He's another

630
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Speaker 2: one who he's on that short list of like RVL Reeves,

631
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Speaker 2: of the guys that I think could be the best

632
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Speaker 2: player in this draft.

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Speaker 3: I take Lover. I'd take tight end.

634
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Speaker 2: That would be such a that would be a steel

635
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Speaker 2: for them. They did take Clyde Edwards Hilaire the last

636
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 2: pick of the first round in twenty twenty, but they

637
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 2: have a couple of.

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Speaker 3: Picks ahead of Jonathan Taylor.

639
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Speaker 2: A couple of picks.

640
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Speaker 3: They should make a joke all the time, like I

641
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,760
Speaker 3: bet Andy Reid goes out to practice every day and goes,

642
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Speaker 3: I wish you were Jonathan.

643
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Speaker 2: Could you imagine? Could you imagine if you were Jonathan Daye? Right,

644
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 2: So the Heisman Trophy finalist goes fourteenth overall to case

645
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: another Buckeye off the board. At fifteen, the Dallas Cowboys

646
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:32,200
Speaker 2: select Sony Styles, off ball linebacker from Ohio State, which, hey,

647
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 2: taking an off ball linebacker at fifteen, that dude better

648
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,119
Speaker 2: end up being pretty stinking good. But also, if you're

649
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,440
Speaker 2: looking at Dallas's defense, that might be the one kind

650
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: of you know, final puzzle piece to complement that side

651
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:43,680
Speaker 2: of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And assuming they get something done with pickings, either

653
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: franchise or whatever, all those picks that they've accumulated, I

654
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Speaker 3: think they're all going to defense, and Dallas could be

655
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 3: in a really good spot next year.

656
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 2: They really could, which sounds crazy. They could have a

657
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 2: dangerous offense and a legit defense. Number sixteen, the Carolina

658
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: Panthers take seat Jay Allen back to back off ball linebackers.

659
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 2: Allen from Georgia.

660
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 3: He there does look like there could be a couple

661
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,439
Speaker 3: of first round off the ball guys.

662
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 2: He's he's part of that kind of those Georgia off

663
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 2: ball linebackers. There's a nice lineage there of these teams

664
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 2: in the Ropewan Smiths and he's a missile back there.

665
00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 4: He is.

666
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,119
Speaker 2: He's what you want from an off ball linebacker. Again,

667
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:30,159
Speaker 2: is sixteen a little too rich for that in the

668
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: modern NFL That's a different conversation. But I think there's

669
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 2: a high floor with a guy like c. J.

670
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 3: Allen. Yeah, I mean, I'm saying he's the next Keith Lee,

671
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,720
Speaker 3: but they they haven't really had an identifiable, you know,

672
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: leader of the defense type guy in Carolina.

673
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,240
Speaker 2: Matt I told you about how I saw David Bailey,

674
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 2: the edge rusher from Texas Tech. A couple of weeks ago.

675
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:52,160
Speaker 2: I missed FANU from Utah came to Morgantown because you

676
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 2: and I were in Dublin. I think that's the only

677
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: time in my life that I was alright with missing

678
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 2: missing a w football home game to be frolicking around

679
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,480
Speaker 2: with my buddies in Double and the Lions that picked seventeen.

680
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,800
Speaker 2: Go to the other outstanding tackle on that Utah football team.

681
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,720
Speaker 2: Caleb Lomu goes seventeenth. He's the right tackle for Utah there,

682
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: so I don't know what they would do.

683
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 3: I'm sure they wouldn't move Sol. I don't think they

684
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 3: would move, staying there, and he's gonna go the Hall

685
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 3: of Fame's right tackle. Deckers up in.

686
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: Age he is. He is thirty one years old Decker,

687
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 2: so not you know, thirty five, but up in age.

688
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 3: But he could be a guard for a year or

689
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 3: something like that too. And the great Docker moves on

690
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 3: because their interior is not what it used to be

691
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 3: after the rag now, you know.

692
00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: According to Pro Football Focus, Lomu did not allow a

693
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 2: single sack this season and only gave up six pressures

694
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: in twelve games that Utah had the number I mean

695
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 2: they ran for like two hundred some yards a game. Yeah,

696
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: I think number one or number two rushing attack in

697
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 2: all of power power four football. Two first round tackles

698
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 2: will do that for you.

699
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 3: That's a lion type of move, though. We're not going

700
00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: to ever get weak on the.

701
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 2: O line exactly right. Another corner goes off the board

702
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: eighteenth to the Giants. A Terrell at a Clemson very

703
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:04,479
Speaker 2: good player. He's another one who could who could easily

704
00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 2: end up being the first corner off of the board.

705
00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 4: Uh.

706
00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 2: He is the younger brother of Falcons cornerback AJ Terrell. Yes,

707
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 2: this is his younger brother.

708
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: The Giants would have got a receiver in a corner

709
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 3: both to be are he's in need. Not too bad

710
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: at all on a trade down.

711
00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: He's a little smaller, but he is so quick and

712
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 2: he has that kind of like just knack for closing

713
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 2: speed right time, reads the game well. They also use

714
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: him in the slot a little bit at Clemson. He

715
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 2: had three sacks and five forced fumbles this season.

716
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he'll mix it up.

717
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: I think he'd be a good player for that defense.

718
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: Nineteen Tampa Bay takes Kenyon Sidik. We talked about him

719
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 2: a little bit a week or two ago, and we

720
00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,520
Speaker 2: talked about Dante Moore. Yeah, he's the tight end from Moregan.

721
00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 2: I think he's great. I think there's some some Tyler

722
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 2: Warren Colson Loveland type ceiling there.

723
00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:52,480
Speaker 4: Man.

724
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 2: You put that type of weapon in that Tampa Bay offense,

725
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: that would be.

726
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 3: Beca last year and then him this year and just

727
00:30:57,560 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 3: in terms of pas catching and.

728
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 2: Evans is getting a little bit old, Godwin's getting a

729
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 2: little bit older. You you know, you replenish that that

730
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 2: that that there.

731
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: They're a big best player available type team too, which

732
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 3: he probably is at this point.

733
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: It's worked out well for them as far at number twenty,

734
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 2: your Pittsburgh Steelers. I've seen this mocked a lot lately,

735
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 2: and I definitely think it could happen and I wouldn't

736
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: be against it. Malachai Lemon, wide receiver from usc OH.

737
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: I think he'd fit in in a big way here.

738
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 3: I mean I get some Saint Brown type vibes from

739
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 3: him too, thicker slot, but also outside physical, you know,

740
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 3: aggressive type dude, a lot different than DK. I have

741
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:39,800
Speaker 3: no qualms with that at all.

742
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:45,520
Speaker 2: I've seen this since August in September, and my only

743
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,320
Speaker 2: worry is, if you ask me right now, Malachi Lemon,

744
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,720
Speaker 2: is he going to go before pick twenty or after

745
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: pick twenty? I would guess before.

746
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like, I think.

747
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 2: He's only going to be one of those guys that

748
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,920
Speaker 2: his stock is going to continue to rise. I could

749
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: see that, But if that's the pick a pick twenty

750
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 2: for the Steelers, I would not be against it. No,

751
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 2: I think he's nice to.

752
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 3: Solve the number two. He'd be a.

753
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 2: Very nice piece next. And he's a different type of

754
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 2: body type. He's a little under six foot, you know,

755
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five pounds, has some speed to burn,

756
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: and you can line him up anywhere as you mentioned,

757
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: which I think would fit very nicely in this offense.

758
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: I imagine Fields isn't going to have a quarterback go twenty one,

759
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 3: twenty two, Like, yeah, that's.

760
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 2: Exactly what I was looking for, just to see before

761
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 2: we get out of here and get get to Chris Hallick.

762
00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:31,320
Speaker 2: I don't see any other quarterbacks mocked in his first round.

763
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 2: Ty Simpson thirty first overall to the Rams.

764
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,160
Speaker 3: That'd be a great landing spot for Simps.

765
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 2: It would be a great landing spot for head for

766
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:43,360
Speaker 2: a year, sit for a year behind Stafford. It's a

767
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 2: worthy risk to take for the Rams when you already

768
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 2: got Caleb Downs at pick nine.

769
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 3: Like, if you told me Rogers was here, I would

770
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 3: strongly consider Simpson at twenty. Yes, yeah, but if it's

771
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 3: Rudolph's going to start for a week or two and

772
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 3: then throw right in, then I or yeah.

773
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 2: I'm even kind of close to this point with Dante Moore,

774
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: who I really like. Yeah, Fernando Mendoza is the only

775
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 2: quarterback in this class that I'm gonna draft, and I'm

776
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: gonna start him right away. There'll be some growing pains there,

777
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 2: but as we talked about, I think he at least

778
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: has a high enough floor to do that.

779
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 3: To operate that part.

780
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 2: Tye Simpson or Dante More, I think they're gonna need

781
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: some time, a ton of upside there. They could both

782
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: end up being better pros than Mendoza, but they could

783
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 2: also both end up being Josh Rosen out of the

784
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: league in.

785
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 3: A few years, that type of same.

786
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: But I want to have that. You've gotta have the

787
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 2: nest to land a man, and the Rams do with

788
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: with with as long as Stafford ends up coming back. Yeah,

789
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 2: the Rams win the Super Bowl this year, Stafford, could

790
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: you know, maybe pull a pull a John Elway, pull

791
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: a Jerome Bettis and say this is it. I want

792
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl that I'm out of here, but plung

793
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 2: the chew one. As we get closer and closer to

794
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,680
Speaker 2: combine season, the playoff, all these things will have only

795
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 2: more and more on the twenty twenty six NFL Draft.

796
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,840
Speaker 2: But when we return, we got to talk to our

797
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 2: Chris Halleck about all the moving and shaking down on

798
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: the South Side as we get ready for the Dolphins

799
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 2: on Monday Night football. We'll do that when we return

800
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: here on the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio on the

801
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Speaker 2: Steelers Audio Network.

802
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,480
Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

803
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal. Steelers Nation Radio.

804
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: Back on the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

805
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 2: Joining us now, it's our buddy from dk Pittsburgh Sports,

806
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,319
Speaker 2: Chris Hallick, a regular here on this program. Chris, thank

807
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: you for taking the time as always, partner. And before

808
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: we get into us some stuff from that win in Baltimore.

809
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 2: Looking ahead to the Dolphins a little bit. How you

810
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: feeling about Derek Harmon. We've had so much conversation around

811
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 2: his importance to this team and particularly that run defense.

812
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 2: I think that was on full display Sunday at M

813
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 2: and T Banks Stadium. Are you optimistic or pessimistic for

814
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: his status for Monday at football?

815
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: Definitely more optimistic than I was in the past couple

816
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: of weeks because Mike Tomlin didn't rule him out. I mean,

817
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: the fact that Tomlin left the door open for him

818
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 4: to possibly return. They get an extra day of rest today.

819
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 4: Actually is that day of rest. It's a victory Wednesday

820
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 4: instead of a victory Monday, so they get the day

821
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:30,280
Speaker 4: off today before they start practicing tomorrow. I'm optimistic right now,

822
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 4: but let's let's see at least what his participation looks

823
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 4: like on Thursday and Friday, and then I'll probably get

824
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 4: a better gauge because you know, we don't know the

825
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,919
Speaker 4: nature of the knee injury. It's not the same knee

826
00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 4: injury he had in the preseason that kept him out

827
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 4: for the first couple of games of the season. So

828
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 4: I don't want to kind of say, yes, he's definitely

829
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,359
Speaker 4: going to be back, or it's leaning that way right now,

830
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 4: but there's he's definitely trending in the right place. So

831
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 4: you'd love to have him back against the Dolphins having

832
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,439
Speaker 4: to go again day Shane. But you know, either way

833
00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 4: you are closer to getting him back on the field,

834
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 4: and yeah.

835
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 3: They need him back.

836
00:36:11,640 --> 00:36:14,439
Speaker 4: He's become a big part of them stopping the run.

837
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 3: Chris, I know you watch a lot of All twenty

838
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,160
Speaker 3: two and really dig into some of the x's and

839
00:36:19,160 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: o's of this stuff too. But the Steeler run defense

840
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks, to me, almost just comes

841
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 3: down to defensive linemen going backwards. I mean it almost

842
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: doesn't matter what scheme they faced, it's just they're not

843
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 3: winning one on one blocks or not getting off blocks.

844
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: Other than Cam Hayward, I see a lot of defensive

845
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:39,280
Speaker 3: linemen go in the wrong direction.

846
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 4: No, that's absolutely what I see more than anything. And

847
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 4: I there are a couple of narratives that fans have

848
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:53,720
Speaker 4: clung to this season, and the two players that consistently

849
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 4: get under fire the most from fans or Patrick Queen

850
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 4: and Joey Porter Junior. Yeah, and I think that's completely.

851
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 3: Little misguided.

852
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 4: It's off base. Yeah, it's just it's really hard to

853
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: play linebacker when you consistently have offensive lineman in your

854
00:37:13,120 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 4: lap and.

855
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 3: That or your teammate in your lap and you know

856
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 3: the defensive lineman.

857
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Now they they definitely need to get better.

858
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 4: I think that's one of the reasons why when you

859
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,359
Speaker 4: know Harmon has done such a good job, is he

860
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: in like the prototypical space eater in the middle. No,

861
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 4: But what Harmon does so well is number one, he

862
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:39,759
Speaker 4: does get off blocks and he his gap integrity is

863
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: really really good for being a rookie first round or not.

864
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 4: He he holds up his gap very very well. He

865
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 4: doesn't get pushed around a whole bunch. Meanwhile, you know

866
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,600
Speaker 4: why Black will have some good reps and then there's

867
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 4: some times where he's pushed around Keanu Beent. It's the

868
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 4: same thing's there's not as much consistency there.

869
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,799
Speaker 3: So Christ real quick on Harmon kind of like what

870
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 3: you're saying. I think he has a really good knowledge

871
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 3: of the game and blocking angles and how they're trying

872
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 3: to how they're trying to attack him. As rookies go.

873
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 3: I think above the neck, he's a plus.

874
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 4: One thousand percent of It. Was one of the things

875
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 4: that the Steelers loved about him coming out of Oregon

876
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,240
Speaker 4: that not only does he have a lot of great

877
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,640
Speaker 4: tools and have like at length and a lot of hits.

878
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 4: It checks a lot of boxers in that way, but

879
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: they really thought that he was a really smart football

880
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,800
Speaker 4: player at the same time and was interested in things

881
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 4: more than just what the defensive line is doing. He

882
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 4: und he understands what like his role within what all

883
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 4: eleven guys are trying to do, and that shows up

884
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 4: on film, because again, you seldom find him out of place.

885
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 4: You know, his gaptag, his holding where he needs to be.

886
00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: He does a really good job of that, and so

887
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: I don't think it's you know, I asked Tomlin about

888
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 4: that on this press conference on Tuesday, you know, like,

889
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 4: what does Harmon do so well? He said, well, he's

890
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,280
Speaker 4: the first rounder. We're like, yeah, that's that's a great answer.

891
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,399
Speaker 4: But you look at the film you see why. He's

892
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 4: just a really smart player. He understands where.

893
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 3: He needs to be.

894
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,240
Speaker 4: And it's not a coincidence that there's a ninety five

895
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 4: yard per game difference in what they give up on

896
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 4: the ground whenever he's in the lineup versus when he's

897
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 4: not in the lineup.

898
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 3: Yeah.

899
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: No, well said, And we have certainly seen that play

900
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:40,399
Speaker 2: out on a more optimistic tone here, Chris. Was that

901
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 2: past was this past Sunday in Baltimore? Was that Aaron Rodgers'

902
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 2: finest performance so far this season in the Black and Goal?

903
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 4: Absolutely? When you talk about I mean, there have been

904
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: opportunities to throw downfield in previous games, and we've seen

905
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 4: him connect on some here and there, but it was

906
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 4: like every single word of the as fast as downfield

907
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,840
Speaker 4: was right on the money. I mean right on the money.

908
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 4: It didn't matter if it was the first one of

909
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 4: the game where it was like fifty yards downfield, or

910
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:11,759
Speaker 4: if it was the one that Calvin ausin where it

911
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 4: was literally catching the snap plant and throw like immediately

912
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,960
Speaker 4: and it was so didn't go as far, or the

913
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 4: one where he scrambled out to his left and found

914
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,760
Speaker 4: Metcalf who found the open grass and then he flips

915
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 4: his hips around, throws off platform and it's just right

916
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,359
Speaker 4: on the money to Metcalf who was running you know,

917
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 4: the parallel to the line of scrimmage that that's that

918
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 4: play right there. Was probably the closest you're going to

919
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 4: get to vintage Rogers. No, it was definitely, I thought,

920
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 4: like in Cincinnati was like the closest we've seen to

921
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 4: like vintage Rogers. And he definitely up that involves themore

922
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,279
Speaker 4: for sure. Now still wasn't perfect. He still wanted to

923
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 4: see a little bit more. But man, if you can

924
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 4: get fat and of Rogers every game the rest of

925
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 4: the way, you actually have some firepower. You have the

926
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 4: ability to have your quarterback put on the Superman cape

927
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 4: every now and then to be able to make plays

928
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 4: like that. No, I thought. I thought he had a

929
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 4: great performance at Baltimore.

930
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 3: Totally agree. Now I want to shift to his receivers though,

931
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 3: I mean there's been some change in that room for sure.

932
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 3: What's your best educated guess on short term wide receiver

933
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 3: distribution and usage.

934
00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 4: I think it's probably gonna be pretty similar to what

935
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 4: we saw in Baltimore. I met Tavis obviously your one, yeah,

936
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,399
Speaker 4: and out of Feeling came right in. Now, he didn't

937
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 4: have the same type of impact and like Kyle Dugger

938
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 4: did when he came in and hit the ground running

939
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 4: and started and but Feeling was second on the team

940
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 4: in terms of the receivers. He was second on the

941
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,400
Speaker 4: team of snaps. He comes in, he learns the offense

942
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 4: enough to be able to play that many snaps right away,

943
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,879
Speaker 4: and now he's gonna get a whole another week, Uh,

944
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 4: starting from like literally at the beginning of the week,

945
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: and they get an extra k I think Feeling is

946
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 4: gonna be the guy they're gonna lean on the most

947
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 4: opposite of Metcalf and then they're.

948
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 3: Gonna be two receiver sets. You think he's most likely

949
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 3: to be out there?

950
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:19,200
Speaker 4: Correct?

951
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 3: Okay?

952
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 4: Uh, there could be times where it's MBS if they

953
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,880
Speaker 4: want to really you know, if you if it's like

954
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 4: a defensive likes to play single high like the like

955
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 4: the Ravens do, you can put out Metcalf and nbs

956
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 4: on on the outside and say, all right, well you

957
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 4: only got one stafety need, but we've got two guys

958
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: who can go downfield, you know, good luck. But then

959
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 4: again you can also if you play more teams that

960
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 4: run too high, then you can go out there with those,

961
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,560
Speaker 4: you know, two receiver sets of Metcalf is Ceeling or

962
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 4: throw in. You know, if Metcalf needs needs to snap off,

963
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:55,839
Speaker 4: you can Feeling and Calvin, or Feeling and Scottie or

964
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 4: shoot Benchkronic will be out there every now and then

965
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 4: just because of these little things you can do too.

966
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 4: So but I think Feeling steps in as I had

967
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 4: us already stepped in to become your facto WR two

968
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 4: that we've been talking about pretty much for years now.

969
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: So that's I think that's what you want.

970
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, Chris, last one I've got for you, buddy.

971
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,880
Speaker 2: And you know, at I feel like now, for the

972
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 2: last couple of weeks, i've felt like, you know, sounding

973
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: like a broken record here, but once again, the Steelers

974
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 2: run game leaving plenty to be desired this past week.

975
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 2: Is it just as simple as a commitment to it?

976
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:38,040
Speaker 2: Is there more needed from the offensive line? I mean,

977
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 2: how how do they get some level of consistency in

978
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 2: that run game? Because hey, it's great that you got

979
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 2: out rushed by one hundred and seventy yards by Baltimore,

980
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty yards by Baltimore. I'm well able

981
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 2: to win on the road despite that, but eventually that's

982
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 2: going to catch up and bite you if you don't

983
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 2: at least find some level footing there. I'm not saying

984
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:58,360
Speaker 2: they have to run for one hundred and fifty yards

985
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: every game, but it can't be thirty four again and

986
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 2: expect to get out of a stadium with a win.

987
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 3: And how about this real quick, guys, there's been two

988
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 3: games this year in the NFL where a team has

989
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: rushed for under forty yards, and one Steelers both they're

990
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:13,360
Speaker 3: both Steelers.

991
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's it's definitely got to improve that, There's

992
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: no doubt about it. And I don't think there's usually

993
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 4: when when they're when the struggles are are that obvious

994
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 4: and there's that apparent, it's not just one thing. It's

995
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 4: not like, hey, the running backs sucks, or hey the

996
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 4: offensive line isn't creating any lanes. I think it's a

997
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,400
Speaker 4: combination of everything. I think the offensive line kids can

998
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: improve with the running, with their run blogging. I think

999
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 4: running backs could do a little bit better in terms

1000
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: of when they running the wide stone stuff, in terms

1001
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 4: of reading a match or putting up with the ground

1002
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:51,319
Speaker 4: and going. You got to make a decision. You've got

1003
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 4: to be decisive, you got to go. But then I.

1004
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: Also think that real quick, Chris, I keep interrupting you,

1005
00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 3: but I thought this past week was not the best

1006
00:44:58,040 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 3: day for the running backs.

1007
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,120
Speaker 4: No, no, I don't.

1008
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:04,400
Speaker 3: No.

1009
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 4: I didn't think they did either. And that's why that's

1010
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 4: why I'm saying, like the standing in this way, like

1011
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 4: I think Arthur Smith can get a little bit more

1012
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 4: creative with his run concepts than he calls because I

1013
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 4: think just I think when all of Phils is like,

1014
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:22,239
Speaker 4: all right, let's run wine zone, it's like, okay, but

1015
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 4: everybody knows what's coming, So want try try and mixing

1016
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 4: it up a little bit, try to run some inside zone,

1017
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:34,040
Speaker 4: some duo, so something that's a little bit different. I

1018
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 4: think the problem and this is like my issue with

1019
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 4: wind zone in today's the NFL is I think with

1020
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,719
Speaker 4: the way the Steelers run and running through that type

1021
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:51,919
Speaker 4: of concept as like your your home base is it's

1022
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 4: two hit or this. When you hit on it, it's great,

1023
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 4: it's gonna get you eight yards or twelve yards or

1024
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 4: you know something. Because when Morgan and game will, we've

1025
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 4: seen when they make those cuts and they get up field,

1026
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:06,640
Speaker 4: when they run the wide zone stuff, it hits, but

1027
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:10,359
Speaker 4: it's either eight yards or no yards. Yeah, and I'd

1028
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 4: like to see some more run concept.

1029
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were letting them go.

1030
00:46:16,239 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: Anyways, I still gotcha. Sorry buddy, you just dropped there

1031
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 2: for a second.

1032
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,359
Speaker 4: Sorry about that guy. But I'm saying, like, maybe call

1033
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: some rush concepts that maybe don't get as many chunks,

1034
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 4: but get shipped four yards here and three yards there

1035
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 4: and five yards here.

1036
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 3: And a lead off walk wouldn't be so bad once

1037
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 3: in a while, you know exactly.

1038
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 4: My point is, that's that's what I'm talking about. I

1039
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 4: think that's what some offenses that's gone to. You know,

1040
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 4: I look at Sean mcday, what he's done with the rams.

1041
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 4: He went away from all the wide zone stuff on

1042
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 4: some more duo and they've become a more well oiled

1043
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 4: machine along with what Matthew Stafford can obviously do in

1044
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 4: the passing game. And you know, I think when you

1045
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,600
Speaker 4: look at that, maybe maybe it requires a little bit

1046
00:46:59,600 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 4: of a change up there. I don't know, but I

1047
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 4: think it's a combination of everything. I don't think the

1048
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 4: running backs played very well on Baltimore. I don't think

1049
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 4: the offensive line has really been consistently good at run blocking.

1050
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 4: And I also don't think that Arthur Smith has always been,

1051
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 4: you know, one step ahead of the defense in terms

1052
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 4: of what type of runs he wants to run. But

1053
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 4: the defense kind of knows what's coming and every now

1054
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,239
Speaker 4: and then. So yeah, I think it can get better,

1055
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,720
Speaker 4: but it can get better across the board.

1056
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 2: Good stuff as always with our buddy Chris Hallick. Chris,

1057
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: thank you for taking the time on the Wednesday Partner

1058
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Speaker 2: and we will talk to you soon.

1059
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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me, guys, I appreciate it.

1060
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Speaker 2: There he goes the great Chris Hallick. Always a good

1061
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 2: perspective from him. Love chatting with that guy, and thanks

1062
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Speaker 2: to him for taking the time for us today. That's

1063
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Speaker 2: an hour in the books. Another hour to go on

1064
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Speaker 2: the other side West Shuler, Matt Williamson halfway home here

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