1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Let's hear it for our 4 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: super producer, Mr Max Williams. Yeah, Noel, right there, I'm 5 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: I'm Ben. The three of us are coming in hot 6 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: off of an exploration of breakfast Cereal which was went 7 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: in some pretty interesting, uh interesting directions, I'd say, But 8 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 1: we also mentioned something that I think has fascinated all 9 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: of us. In that episode, we talked about a thing 10 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 1: that many of our fellow Ridiculous Historians may have grown 11 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:11,760 Speaker 1: up with, the food pyramid scheme. WHOA, No, this is 12 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:14,960 Speaker 1: like on like posters in gym class. You know this 13 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,440 Speaker 1: is uh, this is this is to be believed fully right, 14 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:21,759 Speaker 1: there's the science behind it. Also, I mean, why can 15 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: you believe something that calls itself a pyramid when it's 16 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: clearly a triangle. It is not a three D shape. 17 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: It is a triangle. It is a food triangle. You 18 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 1: think that came up in the pitch meeting about the thing, 19 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: like pyramid just sounds sexier than triangle. Also, do you 20 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: think the Illuminati had anything to do with it? Just 21 00:01:39,240 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 1: just a thought, just putting that out there, all the 22 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 1: sweet stuffs at the top where the unblinking eye goes. 23 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: That's right, that's where the stuff belongs, babe at the time. Yeah, 24 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: because you know it's the pyramid is you know, you 25 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: think of the things at the top being better inherently, 26 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: but that's not the case with a pyramid or a triangle. 27 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: This isn't really a traditional hierarchy in terms of like 28 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: a list, you know, where the lowest is the worst, 29 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: in the top is the best. It's sort of inverted 30 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: from that in them. Yeah, it really is. The You 31 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: have almost doubtlessly heard of this. If you live in 32 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: the West, definitely, if you live in the US up 33 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: until two thousand and eleven, up until the early two 34 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:25,079 Speaker 1: thousand's really the You would be a school kid and 35 00:02:25,120 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: you be presented with this thing that is yet basically 36 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:33,679 Speaker 1: a triangle, and it's got six sections to your point, well, 37 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: at the very bottom, the biggest part of the whole 38 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: shebang is bread, cereal, rice, and pasta. And you're you're 39 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 1: you're recommended a number of servings you should have each day. 40 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: So the food pyramid says you should mostly be eating 41 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: this stuff at the bottom six to eleven servings per day, 42 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: and then it goes up to uh, vegetables and fruit 43 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: together there like the next two blocks. Right, that's right, 44 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 1: And we you know, we we certainly talked about this 45 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: on the cereal episode. How the kind of base of 46 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: the pyramid is bread, cereal, rice and pasta and all that. 47 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: Then we have veggies and fruits. But also we know 48 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: that fruits contain kind of a lot of sugar sometimes, 49 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: so best to sort of temper that, maybe veggies should 50 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: be that whole section, and then fruits should maybe be 51 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 1: a little bit under sweets. I don't know, like I 52 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: think that think certain opinions are divided on whether the 53 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: sugar and fruit is like better than the sugar like 54 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: you know, refined sugar things like breakfast cereal. Yeah, no, 55 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: that's the thing what we're what we're saying now may 56 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: strike you as a bit off if you if you 57 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: really think through if the number of servings recommended versus 58 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: the stuff that you would actually eat every day or 59 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: the stuff your doctor nutritionists may have told you to follow. 60 00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, you go above fruit and vegetables, and then 61 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: you get to milk, yogurt and cheese as well. As 62 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: meat of any kind, and then beans, eggs, and nuts, 63 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: the proteins, those are only two to three servings each. 64 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: And then at the very very top with the illuminati, 65 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 1: I you've got fat, oils and sweets. I'm just gonna 66 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: be a hundred percent honest with you, guys. I have 67 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: not ever probably followed this. Yeah, I don't know how. 68 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I guess the serving. Also, we know serving 69 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: sizes in and of themselves are a little problematic because 70 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 1: they used to not really be as much of a 71 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:42,040 Speaker 1: thing in terms of accuracy, you know, And now I 72 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: think a lot of these companies have sort of been 73 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 1: pressured maybe not pressured in three where it's probably the law, 74 00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: into having accurate serving sizes. So while you might think 75 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 1: that like pot pie would be one serving, it's actually 76 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: two servings. And those things are about thousand calories of 77 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: those those chicken pop if you eat the whole thing. 78 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: So but also it's it's it's a it's like a 79 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 1: personal pan pizza, right, Like that's it's for me. I'm 80 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: supposed to. I had an entire one of them a 81 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,280 Speaker 1: few nights ago, and I don't feel bad at all 82 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:15,720 Speaker 1: about it. I've time Your days are numbered macks. Your 83 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: days are numbered. So what's strange about this is for 84 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: many people, this is one of those things you didn't 85 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: question growing up, right, depending on how old you were, 86 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: this was simply presented to you as a fact all 87 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: throughout grade school. And one way we can get into 88 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 1: this is with some excellent research by you, Max, where 89 00:05:37,640 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: you cite Jesse Rhodes over Smithsonian Magazine who said the following, 90 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:45,799 Speaker 1: some of the information I learned in school isn't holding 91 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 1: up so well. Pluto's no longer a planet. Basics of 92 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: CPR have been heavily revised. So I am now the 93 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,839 Speaker 1: absolute last person went around an invented an emergency. And 94 00:05:55,920 --> 00:05:58,719 Speaker 1: now the U. S d A is raising the food 95 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: Pyramid to make way for a new visual model to 96 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: help Americans figure out how to plan a balanced diet. 97 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,560 Speaker 1: Is that out yet? What does the new visual model 98 00:06:08,600 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: look like? It certainly didn't get the same press support 99 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:13,839 Speaker 1: that the that the food pyramid did. Oh yeah, it's 100 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,840 Speaker 1: called my plate and no already had your socks blown off. 101 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: It's been out for twelve years. Yeah, well eleven and 102 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: a half years. Isn't that funny? Though? I mean, it 103 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: doesn't really surprise me. But I guess you know what 104 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: we've already said with all of the posters and just 105 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: you know, the Presidential Fitness Challenge and things like that, 106 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: that we grew up with the food pyramid, which is 107 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: always front and center and to your point, been like 108 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: almost presented just to be believed as facts because of 109 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: course the government put it out so the government wouldn't 110 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:44,599 Speaker 1: lie to us. Right there, they're they're they're like completely 111 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: neutral and uh in terms of our health, right, they 112 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,600 Speaker 1: want us to thrive and live our best lives. Yeah, 113 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: I don't know, you know, I wish I could say, 114 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:55,599 Speaker 1: I wish I could agree, and I love I think 115 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: we both know where this is going. It reminds me 116 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: that this is the this is the same country where 117 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,480 Speaker 1: growing up there would just be ads for milk, just 118 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: trade groups saying you should drink milk, not a specific 119 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: kind of milk, not a brand. They just the food 120 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: industry was involved. And that's what we see here, right, 121 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: because we know diet is not a one size fits 122 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: all thing. We know that the food pyramid, which was 123 00:07:23,120 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: introduced and it's uh dominant form in the food pyramid, 124 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: forget some things. It forgets that there are good and 125 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:38,280 Speaker 1: bad carbs, good and bad fats. It's a little bit compromised, 126 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: you could say, by lobbying groups in the world of 127 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: cattle and dairy. Right, of course, those are massive interests. 128 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: I mean the whole beef It's What's for Dinner campaign, 129 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 1: you know, our milk exactly, all of that stuff. They 130 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: were ubiquitous and was very little actual data behind them. 131 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: It was all just kind of like campaigns to get 132 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: people on board with these massive industrial interests, you know. 133 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: I mean this is like factory farming type stuff. These 134 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: are legacy operations. Not to mention, do y'all remember when 135 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: they started putting soda machines and schools like that was 136 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: a kind of controversial thing at the time, that it 137 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: didn't stop them from happening. I distinctly remember being in 138 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: high school and you could get surge, which was, you know, 139 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 1: the amount of sugar and caffeine and it's like it 140 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: puts Mountain Dew to shame. There was even something called Josta. 141 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: I don't even think they make it anymore, but it 142 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: was Josta with guarana and it had like a like 143 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 1: a like a panther on the on the on the label, 144 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: and it was this kind of like supplemented jen sing 145 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: kind of thing. Nobody talks about Josta with Guarana anymore 146 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 1: because it wasn't good and it's not like the kids 147 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: that were buying the stuff. We're being policed. You've had 148 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: too much soda, little Johnny. No, it was just it 149 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: was a commercial interest being inserted into the schools, and 150 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: Josta did make a little bit of come of a comeback. 151 00:09:07,280 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: By the way, it is in the Disney Plus series Loki, 152 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,440 Speaker 1: if you want to check it out. They remember Johnston 153 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 1: at this This is true, and people would pay a 154 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: lot of money to for those sodas right there, would 155 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: be more expensive than your average non school based vending machine. 156 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 1: So yeah, financial interests were definitely involved in some of 157 00:09:28,200 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 1: the decisions here that were presented as fact. So you 158 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: could argue the food Pyramid has it something like a 159 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: conspiracy in its origin story. But let's let's talk about that. 160 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: Let's talk about the origin. So the U s d 161 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 1: A back in the day formed their first dietary guidance 162 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: for Americans based on a farmer's bulletin that was written 163 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: by a guy named wo at Water in eighteen ninety four. 164 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: At Water, who worked for the Office of Experiments Stations 165 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: in the U. S d. A. Right, sounds completely above board, right, 166 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: How big is that? What do you do for a 167 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: living sir? Well, baby, I like to experiment, Yeah, stations 168 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: at stations. Uh, he said, Okay, I'm going to figure 169 00:10:25,160 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: out diets. But his diet was, uh, specifically for American males. 170 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: He said, We're gonna look at the ideal level of protein, carbohydrate, fat, 171 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: and mineral matter, specifically ash that these growing boys need. Yeah, 172 00:10:43,920 --> 00:10:46,800 Speaker 1: Noll's making the perfect face for that. Yeah. He said 173 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: that went in at the end, like as a byproduct 174 00:10:49,880 --> 00:10:54,400 Speaker 1: of Yeah. Well, I mean I know that ash can 175 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: be a good like nutrient rich thing for for looking 176 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: for soil. Yeah, of course, are you not eating enough ash? I? 177 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never really thought about it as 178 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 1: as part of my my nutritional portfolio until this exact minute. Um. 179 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 1: But specifically, we're talking also about minerals and vitamins like iron, 180 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 1: vitamin C, calcium and all of that stuff. And as 181 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: we know and discussed in the serial episode, some of 182 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: these things became kind of like buzz terms, you know, 183 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: like your daily allowance, you know of vitamins, not allowance. Uh, 184 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a necessity. You want x amount of vitamin 185 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: C and UH and calcium in your daily diet, and you, boy, 186 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 1: how do you can achieve that with one bowl of 187 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,320 Speaker 1: Captain crunch or ash or ash. Uh. Yeah, it's weird 188 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: because he says ash. We think because like like you 189 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: were saying nol at this point in time, there were 190 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: a lot of specific minerals of vitamins that science didn't 191 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: know about that and they hadn't been able to pin 192 00:11:56,160 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 1: down those culprits. Uh. So, well, it's fast forward. The 193 00:12:00,760 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: first complete U s D. A Food Guide Food for 194 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 1: Young Children, is written by a nutritionist named Carolyn Hunt, 195 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: and it comes out in nineteen sixteen. I think this 196 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: is where we start to see the predecessors of the 197 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,320 Speaker 1: food pyramid. Yeah, like instead of you know, talking about 198 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,880 Speaker 1: minerals that we're talking more about food stuffs like milk 199 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 1: and meats, cereals, grains, pasta, you know, vegetables and fruits, 200 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: fats and fatty foods, sugars and other foods that are 201 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: high in sugar um. The food guide that we're in 202 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,319 Speaker 1: question here was followed up in nineteen seventeen by Specific 203 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: dietary recommendations. And I think this is maybe when we 204 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: started really hearing these referred to as food groups, because 205 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: that's also a thing I remember from health class growing up, 206 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: is talking about how important the food groups are. Yeah. Yeah, 207 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: it's this is where we were taught that foods rolling 208 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 1: clicks and you have to be care of all which 209 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 1: clicks you mess with. Uh. Yeah, the there are these 210 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: five groups, right. Um, there's a little bit of change 211 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: over time, but basically they're the same groups that will 212 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: later end up in the food pyramid. In nineteen seventeen, 213 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: the very next year, there is a publication called how 214 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,160 Speaker 1: to Select Foods and it is full of dietary recommendations 215 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:28,440 Speaker 1: based on this five food group theory. In the nineteen thirties, 216 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,959 Speaker 1: of course, the depression comes along. Life is absolutely terrible 217 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: for most people living in the country, and a lot 218 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: of people are trying to survive intense economic hardship, a 219 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: lot of privation. You know, you could say, hey, here 220 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: are the food groups all the live long day, but 221 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: the reality is a lot of people can't afford to 222 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: eat healthy and this definitely influenced diet advice. Yeah, I mean, 223 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: they maybe wouldn't have access to certain types of produce 224 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: or they wouldn't have access you he knows what we 225 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: would maybe considered today certain areas being called food deserts. 226 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: But this is sort of twofold that there was like 227 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,160 Speaker 1: a lot of non arable lands, you know, because of 228 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: the dust bowl and agriculture becoming increasingly difficult because of 229 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: droughts and in certain parts of the country. So yeah, 230 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:18,880 Speaker 1: you literally wouldn't have access to that. So it was 231 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: all about just kind of getting your calories in so 232 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 1: that you could survive. I mean, I always think of, uh, 233 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, there's a really heartbreaking scene in the Grapes 234 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 1: of Wrath where a grown adult is I think, like 235 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 1: drinking breast milk from from somebody, you know, because that 236 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: was the only way they could actually get sustenance. It's yeah, 237 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 1: it's the harrowing, right, and this is where we start 238 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: to see food economist Wait and so nine getting very 239 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 1: terrible time. Hazel Steebling is a food economist working for 240 00:14:56,200 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: the U. S d A. And she develops food plans 241 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: that are specifically meant to be cheap. There they're supposed 242 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: to be um tiered in terms of cost. This will 243 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 1: help you shop for food, you know, or this is, 244 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: you know, if you look at it as you get 245 00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:18,760 Speaker 1: to the lower cost there's an emphasis on being able 246 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: to grow your own vegetables right to to avoid having 247 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: to spend money you don't have at the grocery store, 248 00:15:26,520 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: and they give you twelve major food groups and it's 249 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: like a week by week thing. It's it's pretty interesting. 250 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: I've seen um similar stuff honestly, in like survival advice, 251 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: like here's the basic food you need to survive in 252 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: the woods when you're camping. Well, because a lot of 253 00:15:46,400 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: this stuff, you know, at the end of the day 254 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: is a luxury, you know, to to be able to 255 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: choose to eat healthy and to have a variety of 256 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 1: food stuffs in your diet as opposed to just like 257 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: eating neutral loaf for some sort of like bar that 258 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: just gives you, you know, the bare essentials of what 259 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: a human body needs to survive. Oh and you know 260 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: what we got. We put our cards before our fats here. 261 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 1: Sorry everybody. Uh. The U s d A is is 262 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,160 Speaker 1: the short name for the United States Department of Agriculture. 263 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: Just the case that isn't clear if everybody thought we 264 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: were saying, you know, the uniform stressful diet of uniform 265 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: stressful diet adherents. No, it's it's agriculture anyway. So World 266 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,640 Speaker 1: War two starts. We're out of the depression, but now 267 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: there's a huge war and countries are all across the 268 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: board kind of trying to keep their citizens healthy and 269 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 1: give them good advice while also knowing that everybody is 270 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: having a tough time. Again, this is the era of 271 00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: war rationing. Right. In some parts of the world, you 272 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,640 Speaker 1: have coupons that allow you to buy stuff and only 273 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 1: certain amounts. Had a McCloud in writing for Smoky Mountain 274 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: News and you found this one. Max notes that the 275 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 1: food pyramid, as we recognize it, was born out of hardship, 276 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: and you can tell, Hannah argues, because there are some 277 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: things that are just confusing the way that they're grouped. 278 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: That's right. The US Department of Agriculture U s d 279 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 1: A released the Basic Seven Food Guide, so we're down 280 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: from twelve now to seven, with the tagline US needs 281 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 1: a strong eat the Basic seven every day. And this 282 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: grouping actually wasn't awful, like it had a little bit 283 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: of of nuts and bolts kind of sense behind it. 284 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: Raw cabbage somehow, though, ended up in the oranges, tomatoes, 285 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,919 Speaker 1: and grapefruit section, um, instead of in the vegetables or 286 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: the green and yellow vegetables section, which is a little odd. 287 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 1: Also in the same way that I think it's odd 288 00:17:58,359 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: that that a tomato is a fruit, although it is 289 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 1: that for scientific reasons, because of the seeds and all 290 00:18:03,480 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: of that. Yeah, you just thinking about that first thing 291 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:07,680 Speaker 1: in the morning. You're like, I could have my orange juice, 292 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:10,159 Speaker 1: I can have like grape fruit juice. I could have 293 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: my cabbage juice. Mmmmmmm. I can't wait till someone figures 294 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: out a cereal that combines grain and cabbage. Well, if 295 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, cabbage was also a very hardy crop 296 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: and uh and very you know, um contained a lot 297 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,439 Speaker 1: of those essential vitamins and minerals and calories. So I 298 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 1: mean it was you know, here in Atlanta, we've got 299 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,440 Speaker 1: a neighborhood called Cabbage Town and that's because a lot 300 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: of farmers would sell their cabbages there during times of 301 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: economic difficulty, and it was something that the average folks 302 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: could afford. Is that really white cabbage towns name that? 303 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool? Hey, Like, can I get the more? 304 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 1: You know? Perfect? Thank you, thank you? Noel. I learned 305 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: something today. Yes, the idea is. The idea here is 306 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 1: to incentivize people also to eat things that they might 307 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: not normally eat, so that we can get around some 308 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 1: of the constraints of war. The very first quote unquote 309 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: food pyramid doesn't really come from World War two, though, 310 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: it comes from the nineteen seventies and another time of 311 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:32,200 Speaker 1: economic hardship, not in the US but in Sweden. Here 312 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: in the US, a lot of people see Sweden as 313 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 1: a pretty expensive country, and it is in some ways. 314 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: So they were fighting high food prices back in the seventies, 315 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: and so the government went to the National Board of 316 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 1: Health and Welfare and said, all right, we need your 317 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: help with this. We need to help people navigate this 318 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: runaway inflation, these food prices. So this group, this National Board, 319 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 1: the Social Steels, they say, all right, here's how we're 320 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 1: going to divide this. We're gonna talk about basic and 321 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,919 Speaker 1: supplementary foods. Basic foods are the things you have to 322 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 1: eat to survive. Supplementary foods are things that provide vitamins 323 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: and minerals that your basic stuff doesn't. Right, Um, So, 324 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: so you know, supplementary, just like the word uh means 325 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:28,560 Speaker 1: typically things that are not absolute necessities, you know, to survival, 326 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,320 Speaker 1: perhaps maybe a little bit more of a luxury. But 327 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:36,480 Speaker 1: it was Anne britt aggn stature agg Stator who worked 328 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: for the cooperative fur Bundit, which is a Swedish coop 329 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: union um representing retail and grocery workers. It was her 330 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 1: who pushed the idea to the next level, uh and 331 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 1: gave it kind of a bit of a codification. So 332 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:57,880 Speaker 1: this essentially took the ideas that the social Steelson had 333 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: about basic food groups to the next level by developing 334 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,040 Speaker 1: the idea of a proportional model, you know, sort of 335 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: a hierarchy something of a triangle, you know, with the 336 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: most important stuff on the bottom, and then as it 337 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 1: progressed and tapered to a point, you'd see the less 338 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: uh necessary foods represented. So it was kind of almost 339 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: like a hierarchy of needs kind of situation where it's like, Okay, 340 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: you're fine if you just stick to these big ones 341 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: on the bottom, and as it goes upward, you're not 342 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:34,479 Speaker 1: gonna die from from malnutrition if you maybe don't have 343 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 1: enough of these. Yeah, and this really is a master shrow. 344 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:42,359 Speaker 1: This is a great idea because most people in the 345 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:47,119 Speaker 1: world then as now are not nutritionists us included. So 346 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: having that visual representation makes the information uh hate the 347 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,880 Speaker 1: accidental wordplay here easy to digest. You know, you can 348 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: look at it and you can your brain can instaly 349 00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 1: intuitively understand I should have more of this, I should 350 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: have less of this. It's not perfect, but it's a 351 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: really cool idea and props to you on a brit 352 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: So the Swedish public learns about this shortly thereafter. It's 353 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: published in an annual magazine by that Swedish cooperative union 354 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: and the headline is good wholesome food at reasonable prices. 355 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 1: They also had a little bit of tention. At this point. 356 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: The Swedish government tried to distance itself from the pyramid 357 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: to introduce something called a dietary circle, the old circle 358 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:46,640 Speaker 1: versus the pyramid and arguments to this day. Yeah yeah. 359 00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: And the the thing was this circular model could show 360 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: you what foods were important, but unlike the pyramid, it 361 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: didn't explicitly show you how much of each type of 362 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: food should be consumed. Anyway, this was the first of 363 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 1: its kind and it was a triangle or a pyramid 364 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:13,600 Speaker 1: in shape, but it was not not the one that 365 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,679 Speaker 1: you might know and love from the US. There were 366 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:22,560 Speaker 1: some very different aspects of these the one from the US, 367 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:26,880 Speaker 1: the westernized model. It's different not so much because there 368 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: was a better understanding nutrition health over time. It's like 369 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:34,879 Speaker 1: we tease the beginning, this model was affected by lobbyists, 370 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: by interest groups in big agriculture, in the food industry. Uh, 371 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: they were through willing to throw millions of dollars into 372 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: how their products were represented here. Well, Ben, you might 373 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 1: have a different perspective or more nuanced, but like the U. 374 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: S Department of Agriculture, it is a regulatory body, but 375 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: it was originally, you know, established to promote agriculture and 376 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: to make sure that farmers and farms had what they 377 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: needed because this is an important part of the you know, 378 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 1: um economic portfolio of the country, not to mention um, 379 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: making sure that citizens had what they needed to survive 380 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: and to eat. So it makes sense that they would 381 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: kind of from the start have been in bed with 382 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: big business rep interest that represented agriculture when we moved 383 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: from like a more agrarian economy to something that that 384 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:35,600 Speaker 1: was really represented by more corporate kind of structures. Yeah, 385 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: and you know that's well said. And also I would 386 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: add that we don't want to demonize these groups entirely. 387 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 1: The reality is they need to have they need to 388 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: exist because this way you can enforce some uniform standards, right, 389 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 1: some safety practices, some higiatic stuff there. There is a 390 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,639 Speaker 1: good reason for them to be there. But also they 391 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:01,560 Speaker 1: are private industries, so their primary thing is going to 392 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: be profit year over year. The U s d A's 393 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: Food Guide comes out UH mid nineteen eighties. It's called 394 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: a Pattern for Daily Food Choices UH and it had 395 00:25:13,960 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: been used for a while, but people didn't know a 396 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: lot about it. So it's when the eggheads in the 397 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 1: US decide, all right, we're gonna we're gonna do what 398 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: the Swedish did. We're gonna make a graphic presentation of 399 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: our food guide, and we're gonna try to easily show 400 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: people three things. Variety, how much different stuff should I eat? Proportionality, 401 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 1: how much of it should I eat in comparison to 402 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 1: other groups? And moderation when should have pumped the brakes 403 00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: on all that sweet sweet sugar. And they also arrived 404 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: at a pyramid. It just sounds good, it sounds official, 405 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:56,760 Speaker 1: it sounds like a plan, but it's also pr because 406 00:25:57,320 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: on the one hand. Yeah, they're putting out these guys 407 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: that they have plausible deniability when they also green light 408 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: soda machines and schools. You know what I mean. Now, 409 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 1: I mean I like a Coca Cola Classic as a treat, 410 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: but I mean, I you know, kind of cut that 411 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: of my life in favor of you know, less caloric 412 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,439 Speaker 1: sugary fizzy drinks. You know, I'm coffee, but I like 413 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: the you know, lacroise of the world. And obviously we're 414 00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:27,399 Speaker 1: living in the time now where sugary drinks have a 415 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,239 Speaker 1: bad rap, you know, for good reasons. So a lot 416 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: of those companies have had to diversify and do more 417 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 1: like kind of you know, uh, low calorie fizzy water 418 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: kind of alternatives. Yeah, this is um, this is a 419 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:43,400 Speaker 1: good point. No, not everybody is a fan of Laka 420 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,840 Speaker 1: or Montane or whatever, but the lacroix. But the you know, 421 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: I like, what's the old joke, the lemon flavored saltzer 422 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: water sounds like you're walking down a hallway and someone 423 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: in another room goes lemon like like this, it's more 424 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: for the fizz. Yeah, I've heard described as somebody shouting 425 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: the name of a fruit from the next room. My 426 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: girlfriend thinks that, uh like flavored lacroix and stuff taste 427 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: like television static. I don't. Yeah, especially the citrus ones 428 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,880 Speaker 1: for some reason, it sparks me Snastasia. Have you guys 429 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 1: had the lemon cello le cello? Yes, it's I don't like, 430 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: it's way too much. I mean, I I like just 431 00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: plain soda water, So like if I had one with 432 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 1: a little bit of lemon, that's good to me. But 433 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: like that's like, oh god, what is this? Yeah, I'm 434 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, give me a good iced coffee, you know, uh, 435 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: And I'll take a I'll take as soda as a 436 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: treat because I associate them with going to the movies, 437 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:44,520 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, that's where you get the 438 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,480 Speaker 1: popcorn in the soda and make the bad food decisions. 439 00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: But do you ever put Eminem's in your popcorn? That's 440 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: the thing people apparently do. Yeah, I do it all 441 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,200 Speaker 1: the time, right on. I mean what I eat popcorn? 442 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,719 Speaker 1: I guess I didn't know that you were a monstrosity. Man, 443 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: m It's is good. I like Reese's pieces, and a 444 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: lot of people just realized Reese's pieces or Reese's pieces. 445 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: I like to call them contain no chocolate. It's basically 446 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 1: just just peanut butter with a thin candy shell. And 447 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: the only reason they're so famous is because Eminem's didn't 448 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: work out for Et the Extraterrestrial. They're supposed to be 449 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: Eminem's originally product placement. The hell of a drug product placement, baby. Anyway, 450 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 1: this show is brought to you by Josta. All Right, 451 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: so the Food Guide Pyramid, let's might surprise people who 452 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: have grown up with it in your entire life. The 453 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: Food Guide Pyramid wasn't released until nineteen ninety two, which 454 00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:49,320 Speaker 1: really blew my mind right to me, it's just something 455 00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: that I always have known. I just assume that it 456 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: has been around. It seems like a sixties thing, doesn't 457 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 1: it kind of even design. Yeah, so there may be 458 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: things where the sweeter model was presented in some textbooks 459 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: or something beforehand. But the Official Food Guide Pyramid, as 460 00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: the u S understands it, comes out supposed to help 461 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:15,320 Speaker 1: you visualize, uh, the proportion, proportions and moderation you should 462 00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 1: be using from those dietary guidelines. It shows you the 463 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: name names of the food groups and some basically clip 464 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 1: art of what they look like like. Here is a 465 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:29,360 Speaker 1: loaf of bread. Oh that's a fish. Uh. And they're separated, 466 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,200 Speaker 1: you know, they're segregated throughout the pyramid. You can see, 467 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: um the variety in those pictures, the little icons of 468 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: what kind of food counts as a grain or a 469 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,040 Speaker 1: bread or a post or whatever. Then you can see 470 00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: proportionality because they'll give you a rough size in the 471 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: pyramid and then the list servings even though you know, 472 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: again as we know, serving sizes or wildly misrepresented here 473 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: in in US grocery stores. Yeah, I mean, like I said, 474 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: if you know where to look, you can get whatever 475 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: the U s D A appropriate serving size is for 476 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 1: a given product. But a lot of people don't dig 477 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: that deep and assume that, like I can just eat 478 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: the whole pot pie or eat the whole you know, 479 00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: lean cuisine or whatever it might be. But usually if 480 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: you get a small bag of chips, even that's like 481 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: two serving sizes, even though you you would assume then 482 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: it's this is meant to be consumed in one sitting. 483 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: This is one serving because it comes in a small bag, right, 484 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: And restaurants don't help either. That's the thing that continually 485 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: baffles my friends who are not from the United States. 486 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,440 Speaker 1: A lot of times when people visit the United States, 487 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 1: the first thing they clock is the wide variety of 488 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,959 Speaker 1: food and the fact that so much food is thrown 489 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: at you. Free refills are not a thing, and a 490 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: lot of other parts of the world, but that that's 491 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: always amazing to me as well. You know, when when 492 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: I go through phases where I don't go to a 493 00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: bunch of restaurants, I'm still continually amazed when I realize 494 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: almost any main core so I order is like two meals. Yeah, 495 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:04,880 Speaker 1: and if you go to like a fine dining place, 496 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: for example, you might bulk at the serving size or 497 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: like the amount of food on the plate, but if 498 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,320 Speaker 1: it's done well and it tastes good, you'll probably end 499 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: up getting the sample more small plates and small kind 500 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,600 Speaker 1: of things and not walk away hungry, but also not 501 00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,440 Speaker 1: walk away gorged, which I think, to me is the 502 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: perfect meal experience. You know, I want to taste different things, 503 00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:32,479 Speaker 1: have an enjoyable culinary experience, but not feel like Logi 504 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,440 Speaker 1: and horrible afterwards. Back because I see your eyes lighting 505 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 1: up here. Yes, yes, yes, as Nol and Ben both No, 506 00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: I've spent many days tending tending a tending a table 507 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: or or tending a bar. And I remember I worked 508 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: at a tapas restaurant at one point, and you would 509 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: have like guys, like guys come in, you know, twenties, 510 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: thirties and stuff like that, and they order their food 511 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: and they look their plate and they'll be just like, 512 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: what is this. I'm like, it's topas mat It's supposed 513 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 1: to be really small. You're supposed to get like five 514 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 1: of the They're like, I thought it was topless. Where's 515 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 1: the poll? You know, we actually worked on a concept 516 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: of a place called topless tapas where all of us 517 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: were topless. I mean it wasn't It wasn't not a 518 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 1: sexual way. It's an artistic way. Every everyone everyone's topless, 519 00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: you know, like the cooks, the customers, everyone. Well, okay, 520 00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: the genius tapas is uh someone saying, hey, what if 521 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 1: we just charged eight more dollars for this appetizer? Actually, 522 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,440 Speaker 1: I'm I'm being rude because that's us tapas. Tapas where 523 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 1: they're from in Spain, are supposed to come free at 524 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: wine bars to keep you drinking wine. That's where tapas 525 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 1: come from, and their association got americanized a little bit. 526 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: Tapas places can be delicious. It's just that Bill sneaks 527 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 1: up on you. That Bill will come for you at 528 00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,040 Speaker 1: the end. Uh. And most of my friends who love 529 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: tapas love it because they go on they go on 530 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: dates where some one else pays at the top of 531 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: his restaurant. If I'm ever in a situation like that, 532 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:07,200 Speaker 1: my friends, I'm gonna come back radicalized. I'm gonna be like, 533 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,880 Speaker 1: oh my god, have you guys heard of tapas? It's amazing? 534 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: What about stroop Waffles? You guys know about stroop waffles 535 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: in this incredible delicacy from you know, my travels, my 536 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: backpacking travels. They're not bad with coffee, are you? Are 537 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: you a stroop waffle guy? I get him at Rufford 538 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: Highway farmer's work. That's where you get more variety. But 539 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: the joke is as they just dude that I follow 540 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: on TikTok made a funny video where he did a 541 00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: song about some kind of brow e dude like like saying, hey, 542 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,240 Speaker 1: if you heard of stroop waffles? I discovered them in 543 00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: my travels abroad and scanned Dnavia. But the joke is 544 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,680 Speaker 1: that you get him at Starbucks and they've been there 545 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 1: for you know, years. Yeah, yeah, okay, I got you. 546 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: Well this this guy might be a little confused if 547 00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: he's trying to figure out where stroop raffle waffle fits 548 00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: in to the food pyramid. And that's because the food 549 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: pyramid is still kind of imperfect. You would know that, uh, 550 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:11,800 Speaker 1: the very top of the pyramid is more a category 551 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: of things that can be added to foods. So candy 552 00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: is high in sugar, that exists in the top part. 553 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: That the part you're supposed to use spared lee. Uh, 554 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,320 Speaker 1: foods that are high and fat might fit in there too, 555 00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:30,560 Speaker 1: maybe think just some really good fatty barbecue brisket. But 556 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: to your point, ben, fats have gotten maligned, you know, 557 00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: convenient by the sugar industry. So there's this push and 558 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,759 Speaker 1: pull between all of these different interests, you know, in 559 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,799 Speaker 1: terms of like which is the good thing and which 560 00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: is the bad thing, and how can we kind of 561 00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,680 Speaker 1: spin it one way or the other. But there are 562 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 1: fats and certain amounts of fats that are good you 563 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: know or quote unquote good good fats, And it's all 564 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,440 Speaker 1: about balance at the end of the day. That is 565 00:34:56,520 --> 00:35:00,759 Speaker 1: irrespective of some sort of like pr line because you know, 566 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: we know and we've done this from the start. This 567 00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: really is more about protecting these interests and representing them 568 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,600 Speaker 1: and covering the butts of the U. S d A, 569 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 1: who also do things behind closed doors that are not 570 00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: very good for, you know, the health of citizens of 571 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,439 Speaker 1: the United States. I'm so glad you're saying that there's 572 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: a reason for the structure of the pyramid. Max to 573 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:36,160 Speaker 1: this with some like unsolved mysteries, musics. There it is. 574 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,720 Speaker 1: It was bought and paid for. According to Louise Lights, 575 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: one of the nutritionists who worked on making the Food 576 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 1: Pyramid for the U. S d A, the original version 577 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: the one nutritionist came up with looked at heck of 578 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,640 Speaker 1: a lot different from the one that ended up being published. 579 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:57,279 Speaker 1: The Office of the Secretary of Agriculture altered wording to 580 00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: emphasize processed food over fresh and whole foods, and to 581 00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:07,200 Speaker 1: downplay things like lean meat or low fat dairy. They 582 00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,160 Speaker 1: also changed the servings, which is one of the most 583 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 1: important parts of the equation. They upped the grains and 584 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,799 Speaker 1: they lowered the servings of fruit and veg Right. Well, 585 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,239 Speaker 1: let's also not forget that the history of this thing 586 00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: really was one of economic scarcity. You know, of of 587 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 1: of issues where like what's the most affordable thing, and 588 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: that's why we have a bit of a health crisis 589 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:31,320 Speaker 1: or you know, I mean, I think it's mainly heading 590 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: in the right direction now, but with things like you know, 591 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,839 Speaker 1: processed foods and and fast food and all of that 592 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:41,600 Speaker 1: stuff that is very limited lee regulated, you know, I mean, 593 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,800 Speaker 1: it's all about freedom of choice here in the United States. 594 00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily about how can we make sure that 595 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,759 Speaker 1: people are making the right choices so that we don't 596 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,239 Speaker 1: have to you know, cover their diabetes treatment and have 597 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:59,040 Speaker 1: private insurance rates skyrocket, whereas in other countries, yeah, you 598 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,359 Speaker 1: might have slightly limited, more limited choices, but it's also 599 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,080 Speaker 1: more affordable to get healthcare, and like everybody gets it 600 00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: because there's more of a culture of moderation in other 601 00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:13,640 Speaker 1: countries that doesn't really exist in this country because we're 602 00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: a country who's based on free market economy and choices 603 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: and therefore advertising a k a. Essentially um propaganda, you know, 604 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: that's making people feel good about eating these fatty, nostalgic 605 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,120 Speaker 1: kind of foods. You know. Yeah, this podcast brought to 606 00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:38,320 Speaker 1: you by Fatty Nugs, just pure breaded nuggets of fat. 607 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:44,040 Speaker 1: A Tyson production. I don't think fatty nugs or a 608 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,840 Speaker 1: thing yet. I think it's something different. I think that's uh, 609 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 1: that's different. That's a different type of agriculture here. It is. 610 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,800 Speaker 1: So you fast forward. Everybody knows that are problems with this. 611 00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,360 Speaker 1: You fast forward. In two thousand and five, the food 612 00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: pyramid in the US is revised and they're trying to 613 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: correct some things here. They get rid of some things 614 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 1: that could have influenced people towards bad decisions. They get 615 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,120 Speaker 1: a redesign, and people have problems with it. People have 616 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,440 Speaker 1: problems that would seem weirdly specific unless you're in the industry. 617 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: For instance, the Potato Boys, which is are just it's 618 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: not a weird cartoonish Irish gang from the eight hundreds. 619 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,799 Speaker 1: It's not from Gang of of New York. It's a 620 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:31,319 Speaker 1: street term for lobbyists. The Potato Lobbying group. They were 621 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 1: super mad because they felt that potatoes were de emphasized 622 00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: in the new graphics. You know, we've given you so 623 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 1: much money, what are you doing here? And then they 624 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 1: also said, look, if you want good nutrition advice with 625 00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 1: this thing, you can't just see it on the pyramid. 626 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: You have to go to the U S d A website, 627 00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: because the pyramid itself now doesn't give you any information 628 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 1: about serving importion sizes. It's just about proportion of food 629 00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: groups to each other. Yeah, and you know, you think, 630 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: to the discerning consumer, this wouldn't be an issue. You 631 00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: could go and you know, do your own homework. But no, 632 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,600 Speaker 1: when it comes to graphics and things that are presented 633 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:18,279 Speaker 1: to the general population, simple is the key, you know, 634 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:21,080 Speaker 1: and dumbing it down is the way is the name 635 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560 Speaker 1: of the game. So if you're one of these industries 636 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,600 Speaker 1: and you're looking at the official you know, image that's 637 00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: being put out and your product isn't on there represented 638 00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,839 Speaker 1: in the actual picture, that's a real problem, you know, 639 00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 1: because no one typically is going to look past the cover, 640 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, the of the book they're they're not or 641 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:45,400 Speaker 1: like the blurb. But right, it's all about appearances because 642 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: by large, most consumers aren't going to be savvy in 643 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,000 Speaker 1: that way and aren't going to look behind the scenes 644 00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: to actually see what else is there. Yeah, yeah, and 645 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 1: so it's still an imperfect system. That's why in two 646 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:02,800 Speaker 1: thousand eleven, the U s d A released My Plate 647 00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: like my Space, but it's a plate never Yeah, I 648 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,280 Speaker 1: think it was past our time. Uh, and this just said, uh, 649 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 1: let's think not in terms of what you should eat 650 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,239 Speaker 1: per day, but what you should eat per meal. And 651 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,800 Speaker 1: the plate is split up into four basically equal parts, 652 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,799 Speaker 1: with a side of dairy beside the plate because the 653 00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: milk lobby, the dairy lobbies still have a lot of 654 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,560 Speaker 1: a lot of cow juice juice. But also this makes 655 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: me think of, like with more vegan lifestyles and vegetarian lifestyles, 656 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: that doesn't really jibe with the with the food pyramid 657 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,600 Speaker 1: or with any of this stuff, because it seems, you know, 658 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,120 Speaker 1: on the surface that you're leaving out all of these 659 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,480 Speaker 1: important sections potentially right or that, or that it's like 660 00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,919 Speaker 1: it's weighted incorrectly, you know. Yeah, And then you can 661 00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:59,239 Speaker 1: also see that this is a continuing conversation. Something like 662 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 1: this has to just it's good that it exists, but 663 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: it's not the be all and all solution. Maybe we 664 00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:09,880 Speaker 1: wrap up today's show by talking about some other countries 665 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: around the world who have taken their own shot at this. 666 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:19,640 Speaker 1: I'm particularly impressed with China's because Belgium and China both 667 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:24,720 Speaker 1: hit two big things that the US Food Pyramid forgot 668 00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,759 Speaker 1: well Belgium first of all, called it what Max said 669 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:29,279 Speaker 1: it should have been called from the start, which is 670 00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,040 Speaker 1: the food triangle, because it's true, a a pyramid is 671 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,920 Speaker 1: a three dimensional object, and and it really is. It's triangle, 672 00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 1: but pyramid just sounds sex here. I do love that 673 00:41:39,320 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 1: China did the lean into the whole, like you know, 674 00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 1: um structural aspect of it by calling it the food Pagoda, 675 00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,280 Speaker 1: which is sort of like a Chinese pyramid in some ways. 676 00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,000 Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know it's a structure, but they Okay. 677 00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,319 Speaker 1: So the really smart thing that they do in the 678 00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,640 Speaker 1: Food guide Pagoda is they recommend the big miss equation, 679 00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:04,759 Speaker 1: which every nutritionist will tell you if you want to 680 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,600 Speaker 1: live a healthy lifestyle, A big part of it is 681 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: what you eat. But the other big part is moderate 682 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 1: regular exercise. So they include recommended physical activities. Uh something 683 00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 1: works out to being like walking six thousand steps a day. Uh. 684 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: And then Belgium they put water in the food pyramid. 685 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:29,680 Speaker 1: How do we forget about water? How do we water? 686 00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:32,960 Speaker 1: We haven't said that one time this whole episode, shouting 687 00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,120 Speaker 1: out like three different sodas three different times. Yeah, water 688 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,880 Speaker 1: is is crucial. I mean water as We've talked about 689 00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: many times on stuff they don't want you to know 690 00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,759 Speaker 1: is probably going to be one of the resources that's 691 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,800 Speaker 1: going to cause serious division in terms of the availability 692 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 1: of it, who controls it. And that's because you can 693 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,279 Speaker 1: survive without eating food for I think longer than you 694 00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:01,319 Speaker 1: can without drinking water. I believe that's that's accurate. Yes, 695 00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:07,279 Speaker 1: that is accurate. If you are out in terrible sideways situation, 696 00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:09,440 Speaker 1: one of the first things you want to secure where 697 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,840 Speaker 1: is some kind of access to potable water, especially if 698 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,319 Speaker 1: you think you're going to be stuck there. It's just 699 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:18,360 Speaker 1: a terrible way to go. And it is kind of 700 00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: a bummer that we have to think about this stuff 701 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 1: in somewhat dystopian terms sometimes. But let's go back to 702 00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: the start of all of this, which was the Great Depression, 703 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,080 Speaker 1: which is about as mad Max as our country has 704 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,959 Speaker 1: ever become. You know, hey, you speaking of Max mad 705 00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,080 Speaker 1: Max just in terms of you know, Thunderdome and like 706 00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:37,840 Speaker 1: a arid waste land that we you know, have to 707 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,120 Speaker 1: fight for our lives in order to survive. In Mad Max. 708 00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,280 Speaker 1: What I would argue is the best Mad Max movie, 709 00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: uh Fury Road. It's all about control over the water 710 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:52,200 Speaker 1: supply aqua Coldah. Man, that's good. There's a I can't 711 00:43:52,239 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: wait for the uh the next furiosis. Yeah, so here 712 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,920 Speaker 1: we go, folks, the food pyramid. It's a good idea 713 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:08,959 Speaker 1: that is also partially affected by conspiracy. Uh. And if 714 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: you are more on the technical side of shapes, then 715 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,160 Speaker 1: you will also readily admit this is in fact a 716 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:19,160 Speaker 1: triangle unless you have a defense for why it should 717 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,880 Speaker 1: be called the pyramid. We'd love to hear it. Find 718 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,600 Speaker 1: us at Ridiculous Historians on Facebook. Thanks of course to 719 00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:30,240 Speaker 1: our superproducer, Mr Max Williams. Uh noel, I just started. 720 00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 1: This makes me, honestly, this makes him want to thank 721 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,239 Speaker 1: a bunch of foods. I know I'm not supposed to eat. 722 00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: Thanks to bacon on everything, you know what I mean. 723 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:41,279 Speaker 1: Thanks to that fatty brisket. Throw some chocolate in there, 724 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:46,240 Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Oh man, Yeah, fatty nugs. 725 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, give me a six pack of those or whatever, 726 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: six piece fatty nuggets. Indeed huge, Thanks to Jonathan Strickling, 727 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 1: the quister. He's gonna be back around and talk about 728 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 1: something one of these days. I mean, like people, at 729 00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:01,880 Speaker 1: this point, I think we're totally full of it that 730 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:04,280 Speaker 1: he has died and that we're just sort of keeping 731 00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,560 Speaker 1: his legacy alive, promising for him to one day return. 732 00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,439 Speaker 1: But it'll happen. It's like we were at the We're 733 00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,840 Speaker 1: at the lawyer's office and he's reading the will and 734 00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,640 Speaker 1: he and part of his dying wish was for us 735 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:19,759 Speaker 1: to continually act like he was about to be back 736 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,040 Speaker 1: on the show. That's really sweet. What's a Boogeyman without 737 00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:25,080 Speaker 1: the promise that he might one day appear, you know. 738 00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:29,880 Speaker 1: Thanks of course to Christopher aciotas thinks Yves Jeff Co, 739 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,640 Speaker 1: Thanks to Alex Williams. Uh No, this is this is 740 00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: a fun one man. I'm you know what I'm I'm 741 00:45:36,800 --> 00:45:38,880 Speaker 1: so thankful we get to do this. Yeah. It was 742 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,000 Speaker 1: also a good follow up to our serial series are 743 00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:45,080 Speaker 1: Serial Serial If you will, and I think we will. 744 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:54,920 Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Books. For more podcasts for 745 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,759 Speaker 1: my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple podcast, 746 00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,080 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows. Some