1 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,079 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savior prediction of iHeart. You know, 2 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 1: I'm any race. 3 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,720 Speaker 2: And I'm more on Vogel Bam. And today we have 4 00:00:13,840 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 2: a classic episode for you about the my Thaie cocktail. 5 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: Yes, any particular reason this was on your mind? 6 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: Oh, it is like it's been cold and rainy and 7 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 2: I just want something bright and delightful in my life. 8 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 2: And I was looking through the archive and I was like, 9 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 2: you know what, let's revisit the my Tie. 10 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: Let's revisit the Sie. And we we did. We've had 11 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: some good experiences together, some with the whole team. 12 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, some lovely ones. Right. 13 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 14 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:52,919 Speaker 2: You can see our Oahu episodes and specifically Cocktail Hour 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: o wahu uh. This episode, though aired way before we 16 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 2: had even dreamed of making our bosses mad by going 17 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 2: to Hawaii. This came out in December of twenty seventeen. 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: That cracks me up because I'm pretty sure you suggested it. 19 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: And it was once again in the winter, So you 20 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: must have some like it's dark and dream cold outside, 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: I need some escape that the might tie. 22 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, that being said, I drink drink responsibly, y'all. 23 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: I feel like I feel like we were both a 24 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: little bit more fast and loose with our concept of 25 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 2: drinking responsibly back in twenty seventeen. So I want to 26 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: really really emphasize that, especially with a drink like this 27 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 2: that contains more than two shots of alcohol and is 28 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 2: so drinkable that you don't really notice it, which is 29 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: a dangerous combination. 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, it definitely is. And I think that was 31 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 1: in this episode. I had said I'd only had like 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 1: the kind of cheese, the ones you get on like, 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, a tourists tourist destinations. 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 2: Kind of water water down with juice. Yeah. 35 00:02:07,680 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, so this was a it was a learning curve 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 1: for me. Oh okay, no, okay, I got to slow 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: down on this one. 38 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's uh. I got to go be the 39 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 2: wedding officiant for a dear friend's wedding out in San 40 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 2: Diego last year, and they had their reception at this 41 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 2: bar and restaurant that did that was famous for my 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 2: ties or is famous for my ties and yeah, yeah, 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 2: they have a two my Thai limit. 44 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 1: That's it. 45 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 2: That's it. They cut you off after that. 46 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:44,519 Speaker 3: Yep, faird It definitely definitely legit also very good though, 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: that was delightful in multiple ways, but at any rate, 48 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,320 Speaker 3: I think that is enough from current us. Let us 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 3: let a former Annie and Lauren take it away. 50 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Steph. I'm Annie Reese. 51 00:03:10,040 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 2: And I'm Lauren. Vocal bam, and it is time for 52 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 2: another cocktail hour. 53 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: Yes, it is that time. It's getting cold outside in 54 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 1: the Northern Hemisphere. The holidays are bearing down upon us, 55 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:24,000 Speaker 1: so we thought we'd cozy up with a nice traffical 56 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: escapist drink that my tie. 57 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:25,919 Speaker 3: Yay. 58 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. So for all the people imagining getting away to 59 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: the beach. 60 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: For doing the opposite of dreaming of a white Christmas, Yeah, yeah, 61 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 2: this one's for you. 62 00:03:37,360 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: Okay. So what is my tie? This is a great 63 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: question because almost everything I read started with some variation 64 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: of the phrase you've probably never had a real my tie, 65 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: which is very judgmental. Yeah, but I didn't. We have 66 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: this conversation, Yeah, and then you took me to a 67 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: place and we got a my tie. Yes, it was 68 00:03:56,440 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: great anyway, So what is a real my tie? What 69 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 1: is a fake one? And what's the deal with the umbrellas? 70 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 2: It is all enough to cause a mild existential crisis 71 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 2: right up until you get to the delightful little cocktail. 72 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: Umbrella part am i tie is a type of rum punch. 73 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 2: Purists like me will tell you that it should be 74 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,480 Speaker 2: made with a blend of light and dark RUMs, orange cursow, 75 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: lime juice demrera simple syrup demrera is a type of 76 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 2: raw sugar and sweet almond liquor or syrup aka or jat. 77 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 2: You generally shake this combination with ice and then serve 78 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 2: it over some fresh crushed ice with maybe a mint sprig. 79 00:04:33,080 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: Sometimes the dark rum or a little bit of surplus 80 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,559 Speaker 2: dark rum is floated on top of the finished drink 81 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 2: instead of being totally shaken in. And the flavor of 82 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: this concoction is like a little bit sweet and sour, 83 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 2: a little floral, a little fruity, and a little richer, 84 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 2: sort of like caramelly. And it's not what i'd call 85 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 2: it a refreshing punch, but it tastes amazing and smooth 86 00:04:54,520 --> 00:04:56,760 Speaker 2: and thus will totally knock you on your butt if 87 00:04:56,760 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: you're not careful. This is one of your favorite cocktail 88 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:05,400 Speaker 2: it right is strange. Oh this also brings us to hey, kids, 89 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 2: drink responsibly. Oh yeah, we forgot to mention that at 90 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: the top we should have yes, but here it is, 91 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 2: but here it is, yes, and an appropriate place. So 92 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 2: that's the kind of like base recipe that most people 93 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 2: will tell you is the real recipe, uh huh. But 94 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 2: it is sometimes made with wildly different syrups, liquors, and juices, 95 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 2: which do greatly affect, of course, the flavor and the result. 96 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 2: Pineapple and orange juice are popular, and other stuff like 97 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 2: ginger syrup and fulernum, which is a sort of spiced 98 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 2: lime kind of liquor. Oh really, Yeah. The thing that 99 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 2: I like about the original is that it's not too sweet, 100 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 2: and those other ingredients tend to sweeten it and also 101 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: kind of just like muddle the flavor a little bit, 102 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 2: which is like almost like a bartender pun. But I 103 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 2: didn't really work that hard on it. I don't know. Anyway, 104 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:54,359 Speaker 2: I liked it, yeah, thank you. 105 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was when Lauren took me to get 106 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 1: my tie. My experience. I'd been with the overly sweetened version, 107 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: so I was a little weary. It was delicious, Yeah, 108 00:06:06,640 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 1: it was. It was kind of complex, and I really 109 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: liked the almond yeah yeah that' or. 110 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 2: Shot oh man. Okay, all right, so yeah, so a 111 00:06:13,880 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 2: few notes about the ingredients because Okay, you know, like rum, 112 00:06:18,200 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 2: I feel like it's considered a little bit pedestrian, but 113 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 2: it is just complex as all. Heck, the principal definition 114 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: of rum is that it's a liquor distilled from sugar, 115 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 2: and where it goes from there depends on the sugar 116 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: product used from you know, fresh preussed sugar cane to 117 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,680 Speaker 2: boiled molasses or anything in between from a number of 118 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,640 Speaker 2: different and distinct sugar cane cultivars, and also what you 119 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 2: do with it after you you know, boozify that sugar, 120 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 2: including adding spices or age again in any number of materials, 121 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: from stainless steel drums for light RUMs to spent bourbon 122 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:56,760 Speaker 2: barrels for aged RUMs, to charred barrels for dark RUMs. 123 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: So much industry really depends on barrel mongers getting the 124 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: United States to pass laws about bourbon barrels only being 125 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 2: used once it's true. 126 00:07:05,240 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: It all comes back, it does, and we've gotten some 127 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: requests to do an episode on barrels and absolutely that 128 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: it's a great idea. 129 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh man, that's a great like first inedible thing episode. 130 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, first an edible thing, food stuff, not food stuff, 131 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: not food. 132 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: That orgeat is basically my favorite thing the whole dang universe. 133 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 2: You can make your own at home if you want. 134 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: The Internet will tell you how, or you can purchase it. 135 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 2: It's generally ground almonds that are soaked in sugar and 136 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: maybe some orange flower water plus or minus a neutral 137 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:41,360 Speaker 2: flavored booze that's usually more like a stabilizer than anything else. 138 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 2: That orange cursow is also sometimes looked down upon. I 139 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 2: blame the nineteen eighties. Thanks for nothing, nineteen eighties. Yeah, oh, 140 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,720 Speaker 2: thanks for quite a few things actually, like me included anyway. Yeah, 141 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,720 Speaker 2: as with most things, the orange cursow that is made 142 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: with like actual food is pretty good. 143 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, surprising. 144 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: Caurso is actually an island off of Venezuela, and when 145 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 2: the Spanish moved in there, they tried cultivating Valencia oranges. 146 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 2: It did not work very well. The climate's pretty dry, 147 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: even though it's a sort of tropical sque and over 148 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 2: time the kind of forgotten Valencia orange trees morphed into 149 00:08:21,160 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: these kind of like bad for eating but lovely for 150 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 2: their oil oranges known as lahara. They've got this this aromatic, bitter, 151 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 2: spicy note that's just lovely. A proper curso is made 152 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 2: with the dried peels of these oranges soaked in brandy. 153 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: And if you cannot find it, Grand Marnier is made 154 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: in a similar way and is thus an appropriate substitution. Yes, 155 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: I really want to my tie now, it's like ten 156 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: in the morning. Is there anything you can do to 157 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: distract manny? 158 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 1: I think I might have a little history. Yeah, my 159 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 1: Thai history. But first let's pause for a quick break 160 00:08:56,120 --> 00:09:09,320 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank you, sponsor, Yes, 161 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:14,720 Speaker 1: thank you. So my ties got their start around World 162 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: War two as part of this surging Western interest with 163 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: all things of the South Pacific. In the US, this 164 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,360 Speaker 1: translated to an explosion of tiki bars across the country. 165 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:26,679 Speaker 1: All the cocktail umbrellas, the big bull drinks, the grass 166 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: skirt wearing servers, and tiki decor that you could ever 167 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: want as far as they could see inside these tiki 168 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:36,320 Speaker 1: bars anyway. Well, yeah, yeah, And there are two prominent 169 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:39,240 Speaker 1: theories as to who invented the my tie, and they 170 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,120 Speaker 1: both have excellent names, don the beach Comber and Trader Vic. 171 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,360 Speaker 1: I'm sure those are their real names too. I'll talk 172 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: about that. Yes, yeah, let's start with the Beachcomber. 173 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:50,960 Speaker 2: Okay. 174 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 1: Beachcomber is often cited as being at the center of 175 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: this tiki culture boom, sometimes called tikiedom. And yes, okay, 176 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,959 Speaker 1: so it's not his name too bad. He went by 177 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: several names, Don Beach, Don Beechcomber, or Ernest Raymond Beaumont Gaunt. 178 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 1: Three guesses which one is the real one? 179 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 2: It was? 180 00:10:12,920 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: Gaunt. Gaunt was a Texan born in nineteen oh seven. 181 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 2: He was raised in New Orleans and then set about 182 00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,959 Speaker 2: exploring the world. Legend has it that he was a 183 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 2: rum bootlegger during Prohibition. 184 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: Yes, and he traveled to the Caribbean and South Pacific. 185 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: From what I read, became sort of like a hippie 186 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 1: surfer dude. Ultra chill. Oh yeah, yeah. He missed this 187 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: chill when he returned to the US. And I've experienced 188 00:10:36,800 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: this too him. There are even whole scientific studies and 189 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: theories about it. Different podcast, but it's really interesting, okay. 190 00:10:44,440 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: And he went about returning this chill, restoring it to 191 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: the US by opening the US's first tiki bar in 192 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty four. He called it Don the Beachcomber. It 193 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: was a hit, drawing in crowds that included famous people 194 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: with its laid back atmosphere, delicious and strong rum drinks, 195 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: and the food, which was actually the not so common 196 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: at the time Cantonese food and other kind of Asian foods. 197 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, probably not usually Polynesian, but no come from the Yeah. 198 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 2: Part of the Polynesian appeal was that while American made 199 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 2: liquor makers had to restart production after prohibition, imported RUMs 200 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 2: were available, and an expensive also canned pineapple juice had 201 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 2: just been invented. See our pineapple episode for more about that. 202 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,960 Speaker 1: It was such a hit that Gant Gaunt changed his 203 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: name to Don Beach. 204 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: That original Beachcomber Bar is still open, by the way, 205 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 2: you can go there. 206 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: Cool. That same year, a certain Trader Vic whose real 207 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: name was Vic Bergeron, opened his own tea bar called 208 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 1: Hinky Dinks. The name changed to Trader Vicks came in 209 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty seven. It too, was popular enough so that 210 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: it opened new locations in Seattle and even pre statehood, Hawaii. 211 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty nine, Beach debuted a cocktail named the 212 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 1: Zombie at the New York World's Fair. If you never 213 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:09,760 Speaker 1: had one of these before, The original Zombie was a 214 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: mixture of white gold and dark RUMs, juice usually line 215 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: papaya or pineapple, apricot, brandy, fulernum, and bitters. According to 216 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: his obituary in The New York Times, he invented eighty 217 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: four drinks before arriving at this fun and allegedly he 218 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 1: whipped it up to help a patron with a hangover 219 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: get through a business meeting. Yeah it didn't work, however, 220 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 1: now how could that be? I don't know, And that 221 00:12:35,120 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: the customer complained that it actually turned him into a 222 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: zombie made things worse, hence the name. With the outbreak 223 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 1: of World War Two, the Beachcomber was deployed to Europe, 224 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: leaving his wife in charge of the bar, and take 225 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: charge she did, growing it to a chain boasting sixteen locations. 226 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: Tiki culture boomed in the forties and fifties. Thinks in 227 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: part to the spreading of these tiki bars, which in 228 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:59,319 Speaker 1: turn boosted the popularity of these tiki bars. Kind of 229 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 1: a s of t tiki bar life. Yeah, thing, people 230 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: really dug the escapist aspect to them the chill apps. Yeah. 231 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: Also, American military humans returning from duty in the South 232 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 2: Pacific had gotten a little bit of a taste for 233 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:17,840 Speaker 2: the culture there. Was a Rogers and Hammerstein musical. 234 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: It was a whole thing. Yeah, I think I've heard 235 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: of that. In nineteen forty four, Tradervic purportedly invented the 236 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,000 Speaker 1: Matai in Imeryville, California. He had some friends visiting from 237 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 1: Tahiti and he mixed them this proto matai combo of rum, 238 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:36,839 Speaker 1: a seventeen year old one for this special occasion, lime 239 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: simple syrup or jatte and orange cursow to which one 240 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: of the inbibers exclaimed, my thairo i, meaning very good 241 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: are out of this world. And the reason he mixed 242 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: this he specifically wanted to highlight the taste of the 243 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,520 Speaker 1: rum because it was special rum, so he didn't want 244 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: anything to overpower it, just kind of enhance it, right. 245 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: Tradervic never disclosed the exact recipe, which is cited as 246 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: one of the reasons we have so many bad takes 247 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 1: on my ties. Curse you Vick, Yes, curse you Vic. 248 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 1: And that's what Don Beach says. So going back to him, 249 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: he claims to have invented the my tie in nineteen 250 00:14:12,880 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: thirty three, so years before. Only he called it the 251 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: QB cooler, and he said that it served as the 252 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: inspiration for trader Vix My Tie. Beach says that before 253 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: Tradervic had trader Vix was trader Vix, he'd frequent Beach's bar, 254 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,080 Speaker 1: and that he pretty much stole the recipe for the 255 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: my Tie. Trader Vic obviously disputes these claims, writing in 256 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: his nineteen forty seven trader Vick's Bartending Guide, Anyone who 257 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 1: says that I didn't create this drink is a dirty stinker. 258 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: Oh strong words. 259 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: Man, what a burn. The QB cooler has double the 260 00:14:49,840 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: amount of ingredients, though, including ginger syrup, orange juice, club soda, 261 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: and honey. Whoever invented it. 262 00:14:58,080 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 2: My don't fight folks? 263 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well we'll fight more later. Oh par yes, whoever 264 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: invented it? The my Tie was so well liked so 265 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 1: quickly that it supposedly depleted the world's supply of the 266 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,400 Speaker 1: specific realm it was first made with, Ray and nephew, 267 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 1: seventeen year old Jamaican rum. Trader Vic came out with 268 00:15:15,880 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 1: an updated version of the drink in the nineteen fifties, 269 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 1: replacing the now rare rum with an aged molasses based 270 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: Martinique rum and a Jamaican rum blended together of the 271 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,320 Speaker 1: drink's popularity. Author of Potions of the Caribbean, Jeff Barry 272 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: wrote of the Matai that it was less a drink 273 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: than a symbol of your Hawaiian holiday, either the one 274 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: you'd taken or the one you aspired to take. It 275 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,840 Speaker 1: was paradise in a glass. Ah that does sound lovely? 276 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: It does. It was time though, for the my Ti 277 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: too actually make the journey to Hawaii. What Yeah. In 278 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: nineteen fifty three, trader Vick was hired by Mattson Steamship Lines, 279 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: a shipping company that helped popularize Hawaii as a vacation destination, 280 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,440 Speaker 1: to craft the cocktail menus for the Royal Hawaiian and 281 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: Mowana Surfrider Hotels, which of course featured the my Tie. 282 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,520 Speaker 1: To make the drink more appealing to tourist, Tradervic added 283 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: orange and pineapple juices for a sweeter cocktail at Waikiki's 284 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: Royal Hawaiian Hotel in nineteen fifty four, and that became 285 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: a standard, replacing the original, less sweet my Tie. Don 286 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: Beach by the Way had opened a Don the Beach 287 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: Comber on Waikiki at nineteen forty seven, so they were 288 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: kind of yeah, dovetailings. Yeah. When Hawaii became a state 289 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty nine, more and more tourists flooded the 290 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: islands and the demand for my ties skyrocketed. Bartenders made 291 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: them by the gallon, oh yeah, and to increase their profits, 292 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: they watered the drink down, used cheaper realm, and replaced 293 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: the lime with local pineapple juice. Some had a rum 294 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: one to fifty one float. 295 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: Which I guess we'll at least make you not care 296 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: about the quality of the ingredients. 297 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: That's true. 298 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 3: Ye. 299 00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 1: The Mytai played a significant role in the nineteen sixty 300 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:59,000 Speaker 1: one Elvis Presley film Blue Hawaii, and in the seventies, 301 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,440 Speaker 1: President Nixon was a really big fan, and he hung 302 00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: out at the Trader Vicks near the White House and 303 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,919 Speaker 1: even took his wife there for Valaindinne's Day in nineteen 304 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: seventy three. I love that I never would have guessed that, Like, 305 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:18,119 Speaker 1: what is President Nixon's favorite drink? Clearly the my tie. Obviously, 306 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:20,639 Speaker 1: I think I would have guessed dark and stormy. Not 307 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: sure why. Also in the seventies, Trader vic released a 308 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: bottled My Time mix and sued Don the beach Comber 309 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: for coming out with Don the Beachcomber my Time mix 310 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 1: that claimed on the label to be the originator wo 311 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: my Tie. Justice. It went to court and trader Vick 312 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: had to divulge his until then secret my Tie recipe 313 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 1: in a seven page document he titled Let's get the 314 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: record straight on the my Tie. He won the lawsuit. 315 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, I tried to find a picture of 316 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: that bottle because that's such a what a move to 317 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:02,080 Speaker 1: put the originator on there, rightoo. I couldn't find any 318 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 1: pictures of it. So if any of you have, oh, 319 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: if anybody has some oh my goodness, has a picture, 320 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:08,000 Speaker 1: please send it in. 321 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. 322 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,119 Speaker 1: Trader Vick still had some hard feelings despite winning the 323 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 1: court case. However, in his nineteen seventy six Hell of 324 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: a Man's cookbook, he wrote, we originated this drink. We 325 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,280 Speaker 1: made the first my Tie. We named the drink. A 326 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,760 Speaker 1: lot of bastards all over the country have copied it 327 00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 1: and copyrighted it and claimed it for their own. I 328 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: hope they get the box. They're a bunch of lousy 329 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: bastards for copying my drink. Wow. Yeah yeah. Had some 330 00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: strong opinions. 331 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 2: Perhaps a lack of chill. 332 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 1: Perhaps should I find interesting in this whole my tie story? 333 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:49,600 Speaker 2: Clearly why I had to drink them. 334 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: They lost the true meaning of the my. 335 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 2: Tie, oh man. 336 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, they lost the original recipe and the true meaning. 337 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,360 Speaker 1: There's something deep here, there is there's a deeper level 338 00:18:59,400 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 1: to this. 339 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: Poor trader Vic. 340 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 1: Okay. The verdict seems to be that Trader Vic copied 341 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: the style of the restaurant of Don the Beach Comber, 342 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 1: and he got the inspiration for the Myti from a 343 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 1: drink he liked there. But he did in fact invent 344 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: the my tie. It was different email Yeah, definitely, m hm. Yeah. 345 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: As we talked about in past Cocktail Hour episodes, in 346 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: the eighties, a lot of cocktails suffered the terrible fate 347 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: of corner cutting with the addition of syrups and often 348 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:34,919 Speaker 1: overly sweetened canned juices. The Halikulani on Waikiki was just 349 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: about the only place you could find the original may tie. 350 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: Using original recipes was kind of their whole thing, and 351 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six, New York bartender Danny de Pemphialis 352 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: revived the original Mytie at the Mowana Hotel, but the 353 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,360 Speaker 1: price meant that it didn't stick around very long. 354 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:49,880 Speaker 2: Oh no. 355 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,439 Speaker 1: The price, by the way, it was five point fifty, 356 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,880 Speaker 1: which I'm sure at that time was like what today's 357 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: prices are. But I in my head that's like these 358 00:19:57,280 --> 00:19:57,760 Speaker 1: pretty good. 359 00:19:57,920 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 2: That's like, give me twenty nine of those. 360 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: Tiki culture also sort of faded to the background between 361 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: the sixties and nineties, but it's come back in a 362 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: pretty big way recently. The bar at the Merchant Hotel 363 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: in Belfast, Northern Ireland, made the Guinness Book of World 364 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: Records in two thousand and seven by selling the most 365 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: expensive cocktail ever, my tie made with the seventeen year 366 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,080 Speaker 1: old ray and a few rum used trader Vic's first iteration, 367 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,480 Speaker 1: oh wow for a smooth one four hundred and seventy 368 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:28,720 Speaker 1: five dollars a pop. 369 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: What for one for one? That's a lot more than 370 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: five point fifty. 371 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, quite a bit. Uh the but people bought them 372 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,480 Speaker 1: in the hotel ran out in less than a year. 373 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I can't even imagine that. Well anyway, 374 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: As of two thousand and nine, Oakland, California, declared August 375 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:48,960 Speaker 1: thirtieth my Tie Day. 376 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think every day is my tie Day. 377 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: Well it is here at food stuff anyway. So that's 378 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: about the history, the not so chill history of the 379 00:21:02,080 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: my Tai. 380 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: We've got a little bit more, but first we've got 381 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: one more break for a word from our sponsor, and 382 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 2: we're back. Thank you, sponsor. So here is where I 383 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,439 Speaker 2: was going to have a Lauren's Kiljoy corner about tiki 384 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 2: culture and how problematic it is. But I just really 385 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 2: didn't feel like doing that today, to be super honest, 386 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 2: I was like, can I just not talk about racism 387 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 2: for once? That would be really nice. So instead I'm 388 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: going to talk about cocktail umbrellas. Yay, yay, and we 389 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 2: can talk we can talk about the rise and fall 390 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 2: of tiki culture at another point in time. But okay, yeah, 391 00:21:50,240 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: So since you asked, Annie, I did. According to famed 392 00:21:54,119 --> 00:21:57,120 Speaker 2: tiki drink historian who we've already mentioned once in this episode, 393 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:01,840 Speaker 2: Jeff Barry, his blogs and books blog singular and books 394 00:22:01,880 --> 00:22:05,159 Speaker 2: plural are the best. Totally check them out. The teaky 395 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,200 Speaker 2: umbrella saw its first use at the Hilton Ykiki, possibly 396 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 2: in nineteen fifty nine. A bartender there by the name 397 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 2: of Harry Yee was looking for a suitable garnish. He 398 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 2: first used sticks of sugarcane for his cocktails, but found 399 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 2: that customers had this annoying habit of chewing on them 400 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 2: and then leaving them in the bar ash trays, getting 401 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: everything all sticky and requiring extra washing up at the 402 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:27,919 Speaker 2: end of a shift. 403 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:28,760 Speaker 1: No good. 404 00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 2: He also tried orchids, but they were kind of persnickety, 405 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: so he started using this festive paper umbrella on a 406 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: stick that the hotel happened to have on hand. It 407 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 2: was probably being used as a fancy toothpick, or maybe 408 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,000 Speaker 2: a plate garnish, or maybe even an inexpensive gift for 409 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 2: customers for use in their hair or on their hats. 410 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: If I ever see it someone picking their teeth with 411 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: an umbrella for a little cocktail umbrella, it's gonna make 412 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: my dag. 413 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure it's happened. I think if you hang 414 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 2: out at a Trader Vix long enough, it's almost guaranteed 415 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 2: homework assignment. 416 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it, and I'm gonna photograph the evidence. 417 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 2: Excellent, get their table, put it on social media. Yeah great, 418 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 2: but we have to talk that much about science this episode. 419 00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 2: Is there science behind the cocktail umbrella? 420 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: Is there? 421 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:24,360 Speaker 2: Are they actually shading your drink? And protecting it from 422 00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: the sun. 423 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: Just like an umbrella would do for me. 424 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 2: Rather, they might indeed keep a bit of direct sunlight 425 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 2: off of your cocktail, allowing the ice to melt more slowly, 426 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: which is great because drinks do become a bit unbalanced 427 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 2: as they water down from ice. Plus, according to professors 428 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 2: of chemistry and organic chemistry that Bonepetite magazine spoke to 429 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 2: in twenty fourteen, melted ice will the ice melted grather 430 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 2: will raise the temperature of a drink above that zero 431 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: degree celsius thirty two degrees fahrenheit, and thus slightly increase 432 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 2: the rate of alcohol evaporating out of your glass. The 433 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 2: protection of a paper umbrella will offer a pretty negligible effect, however, 434 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: compared to the ambient temperature of the room the table 435 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: of the glass is sitting on in your hand. So 436 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,840 Speaker 2: so the science is about that noise. That's yes, The 437 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 2: scientific answer is that noise that Annie just made. 438 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 1: I also did a weird face and a shrugging of my. 439 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 2: Shoulder and a half shrug. 440 00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:23,679 Speaker 1: I have my left shoulder. 441 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, just the left shoulder. Science exactly. 442 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,119 Speaker 1: So that's what we have to say in this cocktail 443 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:35,359 Speaker 1: hour about the mytai We will definitely come back and 444 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 1: talk about tiki culture. And also I kind of want 445 00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: to do one on like you mentioned how rum kind 446 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: of has this oh yeah, stereotype college drinks around the 447 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:48,359 Speaker 1: world almost because I think one of the reasons it 448 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:52,240 Speaker 1: has that association is because that's what you drink in college. 449 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 2: And it can be so cheap and it's kind of 450 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,120 Speaker 2: sweet and it's kind of feminine. And we've mentioned before 451 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,560 Speaker 2: if you're filling out that bingo card, yeah, just hits it, 452 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:07,080 Speaker 2: true it down the weird genderia. Yeah, rem drinks, so yeah, yeah, 453 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: lots of really fun episodes. 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