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Speaker 5: Well, that might have been the fight card that I've

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Speaker 5: ever called. Certainly a recency bias there, but that one

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Speaker 5: felt like a good one.

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Speaker 6: Last night, Good day too you.

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Speaker 5: Sunday, December thirteenth, twenty twenty, Episode two eighty of the

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Speaker 5: Anak and Florian podcast. We are Coast to Coast today,

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Speaker 5: Ken Flow, It's good to see my friend rocking that

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Speaker 5: Antik and Florian podcast. T shirt No less a little

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Speaker 5: under the weather, though, aren't you.

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Speaker 4: I am?

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Speaker 7: I am. I'm just glad it's not COVID. I've had

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Speaker 7: a couple of tests. I was not feeling too hot,

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Speaker 7: but I'm here and I'm excited to talk about this

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Speaker 7: amazing main event man, which was just insane.

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Speaker 5: So, because I've taken sixty COVID tests, can I ask

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Speaker 5: you if it was a nasal swab or the throat chobber?

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Speaker 7: It was the nasal swab.

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Speaker 6: That's the only one I've done pretty well.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think on BattleBox they're doing the throat swab.

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Speaker 7: But anyways, it's, uh, yeah, I've had a bunch myself.

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Speaker 7: But you know, it's it's funny like I'm having all

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Speaker 7: like the cold symptoms that I'm taking out, Like am

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Speaker 7: I going to get someone sick?

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Speaker 5: But anyways, well, you look good, you sound good, good enough,

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Speaker 5: and we have so much to get into and it

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Speaker 5: sort of feels like a daunting task today to get

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Speaker 5: to all of these fighters. And I know some of

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Speaker 5: our listeners and viewers will say, why do you go

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Speaker 5: two hours? And it's like, well, maybe we will, you

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Speaker 5: know what, maybe we fucking will. Today I said I

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Speaker 5: was gonna go the whole episode without swearing, and then

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Speaker 5: two minutes in so Davison, Figuretto and Brandon Moreno go

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Speaker 5: the distance. It ends up being a majority draw one

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Speaker 5: judge for Davison Figuretto. The two other judges had at

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Speaker 5: forty seven to forty seven. So many different layers to

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Speaker 5: this championship fight.

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Speaker 6: It was epic.

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Speaker 5: I think for me it might have been on seat

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Speaker 5: Jong way Le versus Yanna, You and j Chik for

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Speaker 5: the fight of the Year. I guess that's neither here

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Speaker 5: nor there. Can flow your thoughts on Figuretto Moreno the

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Speaker 5: full twenty five minutes and ultimately how you scored it,

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Speaker 5: if you were indeed score on the fight.

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Speaker 7: Just ridiculous. Listen.

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Speaker 6: I think that main event really had it all.

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Speaker 7: Not only was it filled with drama in back and

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Speaker 7: forth action, but I think it was technical. I think

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Speaker 7: both those guys showed skills everywhere as well, which is

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Speaker 7: also rare in a mixed martial arts fight. And I

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Speaker 7: think both those guys were elite for a reason and

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Speaker 7: they proved it. And the fact that both of those

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Speaker 7: guys really showed up to the best of their abilities.

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Speaker 7: Obviously Davison wasn't one hundred percent with being in the hospital.

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Speaker 7: But both of those guys truly showed up and put

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Speaker 7: is it one of the best flyweight fights or is

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Speaker 7: it the best flyweight fight of all time? Probably? I listen,

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Speaker 7: I think both those guys showed skill everywhere, showed heart,

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Speaker 7: They ate some insane shots. Both guys proved that they're

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Speaker 5: How is a one hundred and twenty five pound man,

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Speaker 5: and maybe he was one thirty seven on fight night,

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Speaker 5: Brandon Moreno able to absorb all of that damage and

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Speaker 5: seemingly not be hurt by any of those head shots.

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Speaker 6: Really, Like, what is he made of? Kenny?

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Speaker 7: How is Davison figeredo one hundred and twenty five pounds,

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Speaker 7: But it's like he looked like he was one hundred

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Speaker 7: say eighty five percent of Davison shots and obviously this

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Speaker 6: Eighty five percent of his shots are knockout shots.

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Speaker 7: I mean, he's looking to take your head off with

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Speaker 7: of those were landing. Many of those were landing on

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Speaker 7: the chin of Brandon Moreno. And the dude was still standing.

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Speaker 7: Now only was he still standing, he was countering. Right

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Speaker 7: after that, he a shot and kind of his head

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Speaker 7: Moreno is a stud.

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Speaker 5: Man, absolute stud and so is Figuretto, and he's so accurate.

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Speaker 5: Is Davison on the feet I mean consistently landing north

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Speaker 5: the fifty five to sixty percent of his significant strike

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Speaker 5: attempts and epic fight That data White has an appetite

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Speaker 5: for running back immediately with certainly devetails with my opinion.

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Speaker 5: Without an obvious flyweight contender with respect to Cody Garbrand,

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Speaker 5: Brandon Moreno has earned a second championship opportunitily. It's also

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Speaker 5: not forget he took this fight on three weeks, so

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Speaker 5: did Figuretto. And there are some advantages right for moreno

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Speaker 5: being in that climate, touching down on that canvas. I

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Speaker 5: compete frequently. There's no doubt about it. But when I

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Speaker 5: asked him in the fighter, I mean, I said, wouldn't

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Speaker 6: And what did he say?

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Speaker 5: He said, he said, we're trying to be positive was

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Speaker 6: You know, and but a lot. You know, he was.

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Speaker 5: Competitive with Davis and Figuretto, and I do believe that

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Speaker 5: Figuretto would have won this fight without the point deduction.

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Speaker 5: I did have it three to two for Figuretto. You know,

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Speaker 5: my twin brother and many other people out there disagree.

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Speaker 5: Before I get to Jason Herzog and the point deduction,

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Speaker 5: did you did you have a score for this fight?

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Speaker 7: I did. I had rounds one, two, and five for Davison.

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Speaker 7: I had round three as a nine to nine. Myself,

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Speaker 7: I actually thought that Davison squeezed it out because again,

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Speaker 7: if we're talking about damage and effectiveness of grappling and striking,

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Speaker 7: I thought Davison would have won that round. Now with

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Speaker 7: I definitely had for Brandon Moreno. So again that's the

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Speaker 7: way I called it. Look was that something similar to

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Speaker 5: I would like to go back and watch the second round,

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Speaker 5: but I saw it that way as well. Everything I

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Speaker 5: so here's the deal with the point deduction. And some

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Speaker 5: people know this, some people don't. I'm sure you know

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Speaker 5: this can't flow. But essentially, when a foul is committed right,

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Speaker 5: this heed this advice. If you get kicked in the balls,

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Speaker 5: dry he even cough right, because there's a good chance

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Speaker 5: they're going to take a point away. So essentially, with

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Speaker 5: Jason Herzog has to determine, or any referee has to

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Speaker 5: determine in that moment, which is very difficult, is how

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Speaker 5: is that foul going to impact the rest of the fight.

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Speaker 5: So you have to determine not only was it inadvertent,

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Speaker 5: just take a dark point. But if it's accidental, as

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Speaker 5: this strike was deemed to be, then you say, all right, well,

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Speaker 5: the toes were pointed, you know, right on as Johnson right.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it was a perfect groin strike and Brandon Moreno,

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Speaker 5: as tough as they come, is writhing in pain and

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Speaker 5: So once he starts dry heaving, I'm thinking he got

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Speaker 5: to take a point because what a referee is supposed

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Speaker 5: upon how they think that foul is going to affect

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Speaker 5: the rest of the fight. Now, retrospectively, Kenny, I would

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Speaker 5: you know, maybe you didn't have to take the point.

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Speaker 5: But I absolutely believe that Jason Herzog made the right

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Speaker 5: decision in that moment, because a referee has no choice

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Speaker 5: but to do his best in a singular moment to

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Speaker 5: forecast how that strike might have impacted the rest of

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Speaker 7: No question, I think. Listen, the only reason I know

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Speaker 7: a few years ago. Now, yeah, listen, that was tough.

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Speaker 7: No one wants to see a point deduction like that,

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Speaker 7: especially on a first go. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 7: of many ball shots that are gonna haven't impact on

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Speaker 7: thing to probably influence that. Okay, And again this is

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Speaker 7: me and Jason Herzog is an amazing ref and I

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Speaker 7: a point de duction. I'm not sure. Again, I am

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Speaker 7: totally speculating here, but I don't think that helped the

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Speaker 5: I hadn't thought of that. I think it's a very

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Speaker 5: fair point to inject into the conversation. And you can

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Speaker 5: be sure the next time I see Jason, I will

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Speaker 5: bring that to his attention, and he doesn't shy way.

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Speaker 5: He's an outstanding referee really and is incomplete control of

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Speaker 5: that octagon. We are going to spend more time on

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Speaker 5: Figuretto and Moreno with Ray Longo, but I would assume

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Speaker 5: that that you believe Brandon Moreno should be the next

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Speaker 5: title challenger based upon the inconclusive nature of this final

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Speaker 7: Listen, I would love to see that fight. I think

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Speaker 7: it's I think it's much deserved. I hope the timing

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Speaker 7: works out that they can run it back. You know, Listen.

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Speaker 7: Obviously there's Cody Garbran out there, There's there's a couple others.

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Speaker 7: But just based on the fact that Brandon Moreno asked

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Speaker 7: three weeks ago he fought in the same night as

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Speaker 7: Davis and Figueredo. He wanted this. He stepped up to

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Speaker 7: the plate and delivered one of the best fights of

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Speaker 7: the year when we really needed it. I I think,

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Speaker 7: you know, so, I thought it was a spectacular fight.

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Speaker 7: And the dude's a stud, you know, I said, I said,

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Speaker 7: no respect to no disrespect to the other fighters on

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Speaker 7: the card. I think they have given them all the

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Speaker 7: bonuses that night. I thought that there were some great

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Speaker 7: I thought it was just brilliant. What a fight.

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Speaker 5: And my colleague Megan o'levy tells me that Brandon Randa

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Speaker 5: loves to drive. But the dude did go back to

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Speaker 6: And was on weight the night before the fight.

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Speaker 6: But what he can't do is misweaight as champion.

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Speaker 5: And he's made weight three consecutive times, so power to

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Speaker 7: I'll say this. You know, there are a few times

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Speaker 7: I will go back to what you said about Wighans, John,

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Speaker 7: Well, clearly you know it was the right move keeping

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Speaker 6: I thought it was an excellent performance. I thought that.

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Speaker 7: You know, if you didn't know about Tony's background, you'd

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Speaker 7: if you say that Charles Olivera did anything else other

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Speaker 7: It was extremely dominant. It was an amazing performance, and

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Speaker 5: So Tony Ferguson is not the tapping type.

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Speaker 6: How does that arm feel today?

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Speaker 5: Do you have any intel for us on how he

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Speaker 6: Doctor Florin, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: you know, And we've all been there, We've all had

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Speaker 5: Built different, you know, built different, Oh, built a little

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Speaker 7: This is difficult because you know I'll say this. I'm

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Speaker 7: It's possible because you know a lot of people are saying, oh, well,

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Speaker 7: But name a Tony Ferguson fight where it wasn't totally insane.

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Speaker 7: I mean eighty percent of his fights were crazy where

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Speaker 7: It's just it's not the right approach. Yeah, it can work,

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Speaker 5: If I was listening to this podcast, I'd probably rewind

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Speaker 6: Doubt about it.

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Speaker 5: But Charles Olivera is now on a championship trajectory and

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Speaker 7: He definitely you know, locked up, you know Kevin Lee

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Speaker 7: with the triangle choke and things like that. Is that

433
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Speaker 7: his strength in my opinion, No, I think what what

434
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Speaker 7: is his strength is the fact that the way that

435
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Speaker 7: he puts it all together, uh, and the fact that

436
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Speaker 7: he is one of the toughest dudes in the world.

437
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 7: The fact that he will repeatedly back you up is

438
00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,480
Speaker 7: what makes him such a difficult fighter. He finds a

439
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Speaker 7: way to win. Is he this technical fenom? No, He's

440
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:43,680
Speaker 7: never he never has been. So, you know, I think

441
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Speaker 7: that's where Charles Oliver really exposed him. So we have

442
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Speaker 7: to talk about that as well. Hey, shit. Charles oliver

443
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Speaker 7: is just damn good as well.

444
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Speaker 5: A lot of people are salivating at Charles olivera Kabib

445
00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,520
Speaker 5: Normago Medoff fight to see that dynamic play out on

446
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Speaker 5: the ground. I still believe kad Be Mago Mettov is retired,

447
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Speaker 5: and I don't know what type of competitive challenge would

448
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Speaker 5: bring him back. I do think the Olavera challenge would

449
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,960
Speaker 5: probably be intriguing for Kabibe right now with the eight

450
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Speaker 5: fight winning streak and with what he did to Tony.

451
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Speaker 6: You know, no.

452
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Speaker 7: Question, dude, no question. I think that you know, if

453
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Speaker 7: you're looking for a guy that could pose a problem

454
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Speaker 7: for Habib, Habib does his best work on the ground.

455
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Speaker 7: Charles Olavera, you could argue, does his best work on

456
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Speaker 7: the ground, but he ain't too shabby on the feet either.

457
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Speaker 7: That's the thing. He's a He's a much more technical

458
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Speaker 7: striker than Habib, So I think you have this advantage,

459
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Speaker 7: which I think if I'm building up this fight right

460
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Speaker 7: you know, what makes it intriguing is the fact that

461
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:41,560
Speaker 7: he is very technical. He's going to be more dangerous

462
00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 7: than Habib on the feet, but he also possesses some

463
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:49,199
Speaker 7: really savvy submission skills. Which could potentially thwart some of

464
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Speaker 7: the effectiveness of Habim Nermagametta. I will, you know, piggyback

465
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Speaker 7: on that and say, unfortunately for everyone who is looking

466
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Speaker 7: forward to that Tony Ferguson Habib Normagametta fight, I think

467
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Speaker 7: Charles Olivera just killed all of our hope, just killed

468
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Speaker 7: all of our hopes and dreams of us being salivating

469
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Speaker 7: for that fight. Now you're like, Okay, I know the

470
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Speaker 7: result of that fight now would have been Habib in

471
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Speaker 7: another potential massacre, you know. And it's again no disrespect,

472
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Speaker 7: but based on what we saw on the ground from Tony,

473
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Speaker 7: Habib would would have fully taken advantage of that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And if Justin Gasey didn't close the door on

475
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Speaker 5: Habib and Tony never sharing the octagon despite five attempts,

476
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Speaker 5: then Charles Olivera I think sealed it shot. So Ray

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Speaker 5: Longo is scheduled to join us in about eight seconds, right,

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Speaker 5: the impatience stour of the show. Oh, Ray Longo is

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Speaker 5: now times the Ray Longo minute.

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Speaker 2: That's what the Ray long Minute? Johnnik and Kenny Florian podcast.

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Speaker 5: How about Ray Longo telling Chris Wadman then he wants

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Speaker 5: him to punch a hole in the guy's fucking chest.

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Speaker 5: What a legend you are, man?

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Speaker 8: Those were the days. Huh the days?

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Speaker 6: So you know what I ag today?

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Speaker 7: You would have felt pretty bad if he actually put

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Speaker 7: a hole in someone's ch right, I mean that would

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Speaker 7: have been you would have been an accessory to murder.

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Speaker 6: Uh you know how many years are you doing in jail?

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Speaker 7: Thankfully it didn't happen.

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Speaker 8: Listen, anything that happens in that cage is all good

522
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 8: soon as that cage door closes. I agree with you.

523
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Speaker 8: But once you do it with anything goes anything.

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Speaker 5: So it is about four thirty pm Pacific time here

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Speaker 5: on a Sunday.

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Speaker 6: You know who I spent the.

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Speaker 5: Day with today, Ray I could be is the best

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Speaker 5: listener on planet Earth.

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Speaker 6: Matt Sarah.

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Speaker 8: Oh yeah, oh he's a good listener. You didn't get

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Speaker 8: a word in the why Oh yeah, I like this.

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Speaker 8: I like the witness that well.

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Speaker 5: I gotta tell you, man, last night was one of

534
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 5: the best cards that I've ever had the chance to call.

535
00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 5: But it was a little bittersweet because last night was

536
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Speaker 5: to be Aljamaine Sterling's first championship opportunity, and I did

537
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,600
Speaker 5: have that in my head a lot last night, that

538
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,600
Speaker 5: that Al Joe and Pelter Jan were supposed to be

539
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 5: uh grace in that octagon. But uh yeah. We filmed

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Speaker 5: the Best of twenty twenty today and man, your boy,

541
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 5: your boy is just out of his skull.

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Speaker 8: You know.

543
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 5: He's like we talked to long ago. I'm like, every

544
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Speaker 5: fucking Monday, I do.

545
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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's so self absorbed. He doesn't even know that

546
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 8: at this point, and then at one point then he

547
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 8: doesn't know, but and then he's on that guy, right,

548
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:45,399
Speaker 8: He's always on, always on.

549
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:47,399
Speaker 5: At one point he's like, why do you and Kenny

550
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,000
Speaker 5: not have me on the Anakin Florian Podcast, and I'm like,

551
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 5: come on anytime, just vet it through.

552
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Speaker 6: Ray, We'll get you on all right.

553
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 5: So I feel like we could talk about all ten

554
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 5: winners from Saturday Night and even like three or four

555
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:05,520
Speaker 5: of the losers. So I'll try to do this as

556
00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 5: efficiently as possible. Ray, we were just talking about Charles

557
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,560
Speaker 5: Olivera and Tony Ferguson, So I guess we'll start there

558
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 5: and then sort of skip back to the main event.

559
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Speaker 5: I mean this, Charles Olivera is an incredible story for

560
00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:19,119
Speaker 5: any number of reasons. I feel like I've watched his

561
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 5: whole UFC career and I don't know, man, twenty seven

562
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 5: UFC fights at thirty one years of age, and all

563
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,160
Speaker 5: the lightweight momentum in the world now and that signature

564
00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 5: win that some suggested he didn't have prior to Saturday Night.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. Look, you know Oliver actually fought in a ring

566
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Speaker 8: of combat, believe it, in two years ago.

567
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Speaker 4: Wow.

568
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Speaker 8: Look, I mean he was vicious back then. At that day,

569
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Speaker 8: I knew something good was gonna happen for him. You know. Look,

570
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Speaker 8: I think last night, even with the Tony Ferguson thing,

571
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 8: and obviously Oliver is super talented, but I think everybody

572
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Speaker 8: I just wanted to see what Ferguson, like, what the

573
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,919
Speaker 8: remains of him of Ferguson was after that gets you

574
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Speaker 8: and I think we got our answer. I didn't like

575
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Speaker 8: anything I saw, and uh, like again, not to take

576
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Speaker 8: away from Oliver's performance, because obviously he went out there

577
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 8: and he was gonna dictate what his fight was happening,

578
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 8: and he proved that. You know, he's he was the

579
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 8: bully in that fight. But uh, man, I don't know,

580
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 8: I kind of feel bad for Ferguson. I think, uh,

581
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Speaker 8: you know, look, I think the biggest takeaway and Kenny,

582
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Speaker 8: I don't know if you'll agree with this, and I

583
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 8: he's like Rogan saying, like, you know, he runs his

584
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 8: own camp, like when he wants to train, he trains.

585
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 8: Like the guy needs guidance at this point, he really does.

586
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Speaker 8: He got away with look, super talented guy. I think

587
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 8: he got away with it for years. But look, he's

588
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 8: been in trouble in fights. I think just crazy has

589
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 8: caught up with this guy now and if he doesn't

590
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 8: get straightened out, nobody's buying into it anymore. He could

591
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 8: hit the wing Chun dumby all he wants, but he's

592
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 8: gonna have to fight, and that wasn't looking good man.

593
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Speaker 8: So Oliver did a good job. I think we got

594
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Speaker 8: some answers on Tony. He's not getting any younger. I

595
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 8: feel big because he had such a wind streak. He

596
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 8: never got that big fight. But man, talk about does

597
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 8: anybody want to see the Kobe fight after last night?

598
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Speaker 5: You know, I just made that exact point.

599
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Speaker 8: Yeah, oh yeah, I didn Yeah. I mean, I like again,

600
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 8: I wanted to see it. I couldn't care less. Now

601
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 8: we I don't nothing, you know what I mean?

602
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 5: So I felt like I spent years banging the drum

603
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 5: that he was just criminally underappreciated, that the winning streak

604
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 5: even didn't get the credit that it deserved. And uh yeah,

605
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 5: it's disappointing.

606
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Speaker 8: I agree with you, and I think that's the sad

607
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 8: part of the story is that he just never got

608
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 8: that shot and he deserved it, he earned it, And uh,

609
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Speaker 8: I don't know where this guy goes. I got to

610
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 8: tell you, Kenny, even the corner where if you don't

611
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 8: tell that guy after the second round, you gotta k

612
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 8: knock this guy out or you're losing, Like you gotta

613
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 8: stop him like zero, like you're doing good, Like I

614
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 8: don't get that man like no urgency. But then again,

615
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 8: I don't want to even dump it on the corner.

616
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Speaker 8: I mean, if he's doing his own thing. I didn't

617
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 8: see Eddy Bravo in the I don't know what that

618
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 8: was about. But uh, you know, if I hope he

619
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Speaker 8: doesn't go to the route where you had one loss

620
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 8: and everybody's disappearing because you start blaming those people instead

621
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Speaker 8: of looking inside to yourself. But it was sad, man,

622
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Speaker 8: you know. But like again, I don't want to take

623
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Speaker 8: away anything from Oliver. He's gonna get a big fight

624
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Speaker 8: out of this. And man, he just man, well he

625
00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:25,160
Speaker 8: just what a what a performance he had? Man, there's

626
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Speaker 8: nothing to say. He just was phenomenal.

627
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Speaker 5: Yeah, those were training partners, not coaches. In Tony Ferguson's corner, Ray,

628
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Speaker 5: would you feel less bad for Tony if I told

629
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Speaker 5: you he called me a little bit in our fighter meeting?

630
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Speaker 6: Would you feel less beast? He really he did go

631
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Speaker 6: a little bit.

632
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Speaker 7: But that's okay.

633
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Speaker 5: I've always had a great relationship with Tony, and as

634
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Speaker 5: Kenny knows acutely, I am so conditioned now show in

635
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Speaker 5: and show out to putting out fires with some coach

636
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: or some fighter. This one personally was a little bit

637
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 5: upsetting to me because I hold Tony in the highest

638
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Speaker 5: regard and I feel like I've kind of championed his

639
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 5: cause like more than most fighters like. I feel like

640
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 5: I have promoted the hell out of him and his cause.

641
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 5: So I don't know exactly what he was upset with,

642
00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 5: but no, I do think some soul searching needs to happen,

643
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Speaker 5: and I would like to see, in my limited knowledge,

644
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 5: Kenny him realign with Rashad Holloway and Eddie Bravo. You know,

645
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Speaker 5: I don't know who's being blamed for what, but I

646
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Speaker 5: do believe they realize a lot of success as a team,

647
00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 5: and Rashot was a good head coach for him, you know.

648
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's it's it's unfortunate. I think that

649
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 7: losing after having so much success and then losing in

650
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 7: that manner to someone like Justin Gaegee, I think will

651
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 7: mess with you a little bit. And who knows, you

652
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 7: know again, you know, so much of it also comes

653
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 7: down to a lot of the personal things that happen

654
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 7: that we just don't know about. Yeah, and who knows,

655
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 7: But I agree with Ray one hundred percent that there

656
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 7: needs to be some kind of you know, soul searching

657
00:31:57,440 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 7: where you kind of look at yourself and go, what

658
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 7: am I doing here? Am I doing the best thing

659
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 7: for me? Am I becoming a better martial artist? Or

660
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 7: am I getting worse? Toughness is there and always will be,

661
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 7: but as far as skills, he needs to get better again.

662
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 7: Like is that the guy that thought Rafael dos Angos

663
00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 7: in Mexico City? Is that the guy that dug down

664
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 7: deep against Land of Vanada? And you know, I don't know,

665
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 7: It's it's toughness. And Charles o Lavera is a highly

666
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 7: skilled fighter, and I think it might have been a

667
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 7: difficult matchup for him for sure. But to see Tony Ferguson,

668
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 7: a guy who wrestled at the college level, maybe not

669
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 7: Division one, get taken down like that without a struggle,

670
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 7: I don't know. It just didn't look to me like

671
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 7: it was Tony in his prime. But but yeah, I.

672
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 8: Look, I couldn't agree more with Kenny. And I got

673
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 8: to tell you, toughness, Nobody's gonna question that guy. But

674
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 8: it's at the point now where it's going to start

675
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 8: hurting him, like he didn't even want to go down

676
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:58,200
Speaker 8: against Gaichee. He ate shots that luckily the rough saved him,

677
00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 8: you know, no matter what, but look how up he was.

678
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 8: His arm got bent in an unnatural position. The guy's

679
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 8: not tapping. We know he's tough, but that now is

680
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 8: you know, as you get older, that's not gonna that

681
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 8: you need more than that now. You know, like when

682
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 8: you get older, you got to fight with experience, right,

683
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 8: you know how to tie your guy up. You know

684
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 8: you you've we've seen guys when fights just based on experience.

685
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 8: He's not demonstrating that he's still the guy that he

686
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 8: thinks he was eight years ago and he's not. And

687
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 8: I and I'll tell you what. Let mean, I always

688
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 8: go back to this, what do you have beat? Oliveris

689
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 8: five years ago? And I'm gonna say, yeah, I think

690
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 8: I think he might have walked right through him. I mean,

691
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 8: but that was that was a big test last night

692
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 8: because I thought Ferguson was gonna win that fight. I

693
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 8: really did, and he wasn't even close. Yeah, you know, man,

694
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 8: it's just sad. But Oliver AA, hats off to him. Man.

695
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 8: He's been around forever and he looks like he's you know,

696
00:33:56,480 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 8: peeking now at the right time. So I'm excited to

697
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 8: see what the future holds for him.

698
00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 7: I think this is also a reminder for for the

699
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 7: fans watching that no matter how good a fighter was

700
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 7: at a certain point, is that after a certain amount

701
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 7: of damage, they're not going to be the same. This

702
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,399
Speaker 7: sport will get everybody if you stay in the game

703
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,680
Speaker 7: long enough. That's the thing. It's not you know, people again,

704
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 7: we forget we have this idea and we you know,

705
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 7: stay in the moment. We have fun and we watch

706
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 7: these events, but we forget that we are human and

707
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 7: that we are not invincible.

708
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 8: And you know, guess who forgets that though? The fighter.

709
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 8: That's the problem. He needs to be surrounded right now

710
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 8: by complete honesty. That's it. That's it. I mean, no, yes, man, zero,

711
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,040
Speaker 8: because that's not going to help you at this point.

712
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 5: And now, yeah, well you're sort of providing a natural

713
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 5: transition to a couple of Brazilian fighters, Junior Santos and

714
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 5: Jacka Nsosa, who seemingly have left their fighting primes. I

715
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 5: hate to make some grand statement about Jacka day Sosa,

716
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 5: but he did turn forty one during fight week, and Kenny,

717
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 5: I'll lead with you on this, And I don't know

718
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 5: if you were sort of working this way when it

719
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:14,320
Speaker 5: comes to these two fighters in particular, but I think

720
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 5: they both still derive a lot of confidence in their

721
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:20,800
Speaker 5: preparation and in their training and their ability to still

722
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 5: go hard and do the three of days. You know,

723
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 5: Junior Desantos feels like a world champion when he's training,

724
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 5: but it's four straight losses now and they've all been

725
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:32,040
Speaker 5: pretty devastating. You got anything for me on those two

726
00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 5: And if there's any parallel to be drawn there, you know.

727
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 7: Listen, those are guys that are repeating patterns that are

728
00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:42,920
Speaker 7: not going to help them for fight. I think Junior

729
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,799
Speaker 7: Desantos repeatedly puts himself in harm's way and fights at

730
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 7: a range that is really dangerous. He's a heavyweight fighter,

731
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 7: and you fight a guy like Gunn who, in my opinion,

732
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 7: like that's one of the guys that's one of the

733
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 7: reasons why you care a weapon if you need to

734
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 7: like that, like you know what I mean, Like I'm

735
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 7: not taking that guy down and submitting him, you know

736
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 7: what I like? That's a massive individual, and if he

737
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 7: hits you, you're going to be in trouble. And Junior

738
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,959
Speaker 7: Desantos is fighting at a range in my opinion, which

739
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 7: is really really dangerous and it's not sustainable. And Jockerrey

740
00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 7: Sosa looks like a shell of his former self. Just

741
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 7: even like when I see a guy who's on top,

742
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 7: he got the takedown on Kevin Holland and he's sitting

743
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 7: on his heels and kind of covering it. Yeah, he

744
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 7: was like, what is going on?

745
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 5: And also he's dancing with the flight and then talking

746
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,439
Speaker 5: like you're just going right in.

747
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 7: Dude, when you're showing up to just collect the check,

748
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 7: I don't care what job you have. If you're just

749
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 7: showing up to collect the collected check, you don't want

750
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 7: to be there, period. And to me, it looks like

751
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 7: Jockeray doesn't want to be there. It's hard for me

752
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 7: to say that because he's done, he's a compashed so

753
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,200
Speaker 7: much in the jujitsu world, he's copashed so much in

754
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 7: the MMA world. But when I see that, that doesn't

755
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 7: look like he wants to be there, and that's unfortunate

756
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 7: and that's dangerous.

757
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen, at forty one, he's got nothing to prove.

758
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 8: He's got nothing to prove, you know what I mean,

759
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 8: you'll get he's entering into an area that where you

760
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 8: could get hurt, like really really hurt. And though so

761
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 8: Saniel's wasn't even looking at that guy when he got

762
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 8: hit with the elbow, you know what I'm saying, Like

763
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 8: his mechanics looked like you were in a goddamn fight

764
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 8: with an animal. You don't take your fucking eyes off them.

765
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:35,800
Speaker 8: You know, he's just fucking looking around, and you know, weird.

766
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 8: I don't know. I mean, that's not a good suny, right,

767
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 8: you know what I mean.

768
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 7: I'll say this. I couldn't agree more Like, again, he

769
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 7: didn't really want to be there either. He got hurt

770
00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 7: with a shot and kind of start looking away. Now

771
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 7: another thing, there's a reason why, and I was kind

772
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 7: of someone was asking the question, Hey, that was an

773
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 7: illegal shot by Junior Desantos. There's a reason why in boxing.

774
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 7: There's two roles in boxing. One you're not supposed to

775
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 7: turn your back to your opponent. Number two, you're not

776
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 7: allowed to hit in the back of the head. Now,

777
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 7: the reason why the first rule exists is because you can't.

778
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 7: You'd be actually cheating the rules by going like this,

779
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,920
Speaker 7: he can't hit me in the head. Why is he

780
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,879
Speaker 7: hitting me on the head because you're turning your back.

781
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 6: That's why that rule exists.

782
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 5: Larry Bird actually would have been a great fighter because

783
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,920
Speaker 5: he has eyes in the back of his head. But

784
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 5: that's neither here nor there. Ray You know, you know

785
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 5: Larry Bird.

786
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 8: Is I love Larry Bird, one of the best.

787
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:27,839
Speaker 6: I love Larry Bird.

788
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 8: I love all right.

789
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 5: Kevin Holland. Kevin Hollin five wins in seven months. I'm

790
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 5: an amateur. Okay, you guys are the experts. But from

791
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 5: the moment Kevin Holland made his short notice UFC debut

792
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 5: against Thiago Santos in La in August of twenty eighteen,

793
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:44,600
Speaker 5: I had seen some regional footage. I thought he had

794
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 5: all the skills to be champion. He was a Brazilian

795
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu brown belt under Travis Luder. Then he is

796
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 5: elevated to the black belt level. Now I think, as

797
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 5: he has suggested, when he puts on some muscle and

798
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 5: makes a full commitment to the middleweight division, which is

799
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 5: his desire, championship ceiling for me, Raya And what a

800
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 5: luxury for the UFC to have on anyone, anywhere, anytime,

801
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 5: type of fighter who's a bona five Bit Away contender.

802
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 8: Hey, listen, man, I bought my ticket last night. I

803
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 8: jumped on the Kevin Holland train. Man, I'm on, I'm

804
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 8: on board. I like, you know what you know, I

805
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 8: think Cody might have put out something. What's your take

806
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 8: away from this fight? You know one of my takeaways

807
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 8: was just sportsmanship and really humbleness and like Kevin Holland

808
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 8: even like, you know that was great. No, no, I got

809
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 8: that from the go Price. You know, Seiul gone. Oh

810
00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 8: you know what a nice guy that might have been met.

811
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 8: I hope it wasn't illegal. It looked like, you know,

812
00:39:36,680 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 8: there was so many interviews where people would just humble.

813
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 8: The sportsmanship I thought was phenomenal. I love listening to

814
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 8: people talk. I thought Kevin was was phenomenal. Lis I

815
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 8: like Travis Luder. I know, you know, Matt did the

816
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 8: show with him, and man, that guy was one second

817
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 8: away from beating Anderson Silva. I mean when if you

818
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 8: go back and look at that he had Anderson mounted,

819
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 8: do you remember that fight with Luda, I mean crazy,

820
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 8: So you know he gave it up to his coach.

821
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,200
Speaker 8: He seems like he's he's in the present moment. Man,

822
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:12,440
Speaker 8: he understands it, he loves it. Major problem at this point.

823
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 5: So Kenny, Kevin Holland's grandfather used to say to him,

824
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 5: pressure busts pipes, and you're built like a pipe.

825
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:19,359
Speaker 6: Right.

826
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 5: So Holland did tell us in our fighter meeting, and

827
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 5: I think this has even changed since last Wednesday, but

828
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 5: he said that he wanted to take two months off

829
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 5: to put on weight so that there would sort of

830
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,879
Speaker 5: be more of a weight cut down, you know, because

831
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:33,840
Speaker 5: he could come in eighty one eighty two if he

832
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 5: really needed to. So I do think that that is

833
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 5: going to be part of the immediate future for Kevin Holland.

834
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:44,240
Speaker 5: But just incredible to have this mentality Kenny, to always

835
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,640
Speaker 5: be ready and willing and able. And if a star

836
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 5: wasn't born Saturday Night, then I don't know what else

837
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 5: he needs to do to become a star. I mean,

838
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,560
Speaker 5: I just think he's got every tool in and out

839
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,879
Speaker 5: of the octagon to really take it to the next

840
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 5: I agree.

841
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 7: I feel like it's really coming together for him right now.

842
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 7: You look at how his game is developing as a striker,

843
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 7: as a jiu jitsu guy, and you talk about who

844
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 7: wanted to be there him or Jockarey sos it like

845
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 7: there wasn't one point, There wasn't almost one second where

846
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,720
Speaker 7: Kevin Holland wasn't trying to hurt jacka Ray like legitimately

847
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 7: hurt him from any place. So Kevin is a guy

848
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,879
Speaker 7: who's hungry, he wants to be in there. You could

849
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 7: see that he's dedicated to the sport and the fact

850
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,280
Speaker 7: that he's been able to have not only this level

851
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 7: of consistency, but this level of activity is really really rare,

852
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 7: and I'm happy for the guy. Man, the future is bright.

853
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 8: And guess what. And Kevin Holland didn't buy into the

854
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 8: narrative that if that fight hit the floor, he was

855
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 8: going to get strangled. And I'm not sure. I wasn't

856
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 8: into that myself, But man, I love it when a

857
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 8: guy like that goes forward, he throws up his own submissions. Yeah,

858
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 8: he doesn't into that. The second you buy into the

859
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 8: guy's at d one Russeller, I can never take him down.

860
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 8: You lost a fight, you know, And he seems like

861
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 8: a guy who's so sure of himself, and I think

862
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 8: he's got a ways to go. Don't get me wrong,

863
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,080
Speaker 8: but I'll tell you what. Mentally, this guy's he's he's

864
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 8: right on point right now and that was a great win.

865
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 8: That's a confidence booster for him. Yeah, it seems like

866
00:42:23,120 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 8: he's around the right people.

867
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,400
Speaker 5: And absolutely it's a great story. Yeah, he's eight and

868
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 5: two in the UFC now with five straight wins. But

869
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 5: Travis Luter really helped him financially in other ways early

870
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 5: on when he was cutting his teeth as a mixed

871
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 5: martial artist. And Travis really liked this matchup better than

872
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,759
Speaker 5: the Jack Hermanson main event that went away for Kevin

873
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 5: Holland because he tested positive for COVID nineteen. So chips

874
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 5: to the center of the table on Kevin Holland.

875
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 7: We'll see where.

876
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 5: Zaca Soza goes from here. Felt like he put in

877
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 5: the right training camp, you know. Brought in some seven

878
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,720
Speaker 5: foot two inch Brazilian Kent Flow that they called Trouble.

879
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 5: Also brought Leoto Machieddah to his house. But uh wow,

880
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 5: didn't work out for Jacka d. Sosa, did not work

881
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 5: out for Junior do Santo's time permitting. More on seedle

882
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 5: gone at the end of the program. But Ken Flow,

883
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 5: I would like to lead with you, and I promise

884
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:08,600
Speaker 5: Ray I'll get to the Figuretto stuff. I promise I'll

885
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 5: keep you a platform for that. But McKenzie Dern, Kenny,

886
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,799
Speaker 5: the evolution of Mackenzie Dern under Jason Pirillo on the

887
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,279
Speaker 5: feet has been pretty incredible. And I'm a big fan

888
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 5: of Vina Janji Doob but too, I do wish we

889
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 5: saw a little bit more grappling here. I think the

890
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 5: jiu jitsu fan in me really wanted to see these

891
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 5: women go back and forth. But Kenny, what'd you think

892
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 5: about Mackenzie Dern as she runs her winning streak to

893
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 5: three in the UFC.

894
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 7: It was certainly a tough fight for her, and I

895
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 7: thought that she definitely looks better on the feet. There's

896
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 7: no question that Priulo was helping her out. I think

897
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,280
Speaker 7: that she needed to settle down a little bit more

898
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:48,600
Speaker 7: and also keep her eyes on the target. You know,

899
00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 7: she was kind of swinging and kind of dropping her

900
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,680
Speaker 7: head down and things. But there's no question that she

901
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 7: looks more comfortable. She's moving her feet way better. She's

902
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:01,200
Speaker 7: not as plotting, she's not as flat footed, and I thought,

903
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 7: really that was the difference. I think that's why she

904
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 7: beat Genti Robo in my opinion, So I thought it

905
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:08,880
Speaker 7: was a close fight, but that's the way I had it.

906
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 7: I think the other thing that she needs to make better,

907
00:44:12,360 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 7: I think are the takedowns. I don't think that she's

908
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 7: as clean or as efficient with her takedowns as she

909
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:23,400
Speaker 7: can be. And if she has this huge advantage on

910
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:25,840
Speaker 7: the ground, which I believe she does have being a

911
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 7: world class jiu jitsu practitioner, she needs to improve her takedowns,

912
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 7: especially if she wants to have fights where she's not

913
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,799
Speaker 7: taking as much damage. But I thought it was a

914
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 7: promising fight and a move in the right direction for her,

915
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:40,560
Speaker 7: no question.

916
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 8: Yeah, close fight. She's got a you know, like again,

917
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:50,959
Speaker 8: not the most technical, but her attitude and her will

918
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 8: to win, which you can't teach. That's what she had

919
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 8: in that fight. She refused to lose and that was

920
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 8: the difference in the fight. They both very competitive. Love

921
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 8: the other girl too. Man did they throw down, but

922
00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 8: and Hu Desiah, she could have packed it in after

923
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,880
Speaker 8: the nose was broke or whatever, but you know what,

924
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 8: she stayed in there. Like again, I didn't think it

925
00:45:13,120 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 8: was technically. You know, she's gonna grow, but I think

926
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 8: the things that you can't teach she has, and that's

927
00:45:19,640 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 8: what's going to elevate her in the future.

928
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 5: All Right, I'm gonna try to rip through a few

929
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 5: of these other names and then we will close out

930
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 5: our conversation today with Davison Figato, with Ray at least, Kenny,

931
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,360
Speaker 5: I'm gonna lead with you on this one. Gavin Tucker,

932
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 5: if I had to pick one Canadian fighter right now

933
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 5: to break through and win a UFC championship, I think

934
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,720
Speaker 5: he's the best talent we have right now out of Canada.

935
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 5: He's had to deal with a lot of issues injury wise,

936
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 5: from that awful damage in the Rick Glenn fight. Lost

937
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,959
Speaker 5: two years of his career, so he's now thirty four,

938
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 5: but that is a shiny pro record. Thirteen and one,

939
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 5: Billy Q had won eight consecutive fights. I love me

940
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 5: some Gavin Tucker, and I think with the right fights next,

941
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:00,840
Speaker 5: he could really make a run from the same cloth

942
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 5: as you.

943
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 7: Man.

944
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,959
Speaker 5: He's super cerebral and strategic and like I'm not saying

945
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,720
Speaker 5: stylistically he is, but everything's well thought.

946
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 6: Everything to a tee.

947
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 5: Attention to detail doesn't even begin to describe it.

948
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 7: He's a thinker, man, and even you know, I loved

949
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 7: his interview with Joe when he was talking about, you know,

950
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 7: some of the things that he wished he did better.

951
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 7: He was immediately you know, thinking about things that he

952
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 7: could have done better, which to me is a sign

953
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 7: of a dude who is not just satisfied with getting

954
00:46:27,880 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 7: the win. He wants to do it in the cleanest,

955
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 7: best way possible. He has the toughness, he's got the durability. Uh,

956
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,319
Speaker 7: he's got the smarts, and he's developing nicely. Man. And

957
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 7: Billy Q, as you know we've talked about before, is

958
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 7: one of the toughest dudes in that division as far

959
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 7: as toughness.

960
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 8: Uh.

961
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 7: You know, he really has proved that time and time again.

962
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 7: I thought that he was getting a little bit too wild.

963
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 7: I don't think he was as calculating as Gavin. I

964
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 7: think that was the difference. But beating a guy like

965
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 7: Billy Q, I think says a lot about Gavin, and

966
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 7: I think his ceiling is pretty high. So I thought

967
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 7: there was a huge win. Uh. And I definitely want

968
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 7: to see more of this kid.

969
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 6: And again, he's probably number twenty seven in the world.

970
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:13,759
Speaker 5: I'm not suggesting that he's Readyovski, but right I do

971
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 5: think that eventually he can climb so Ray you and

972
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 5: Billy Q should probably go to the barber shop together.

973
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 5: You both need a fucking haircut in the worst way.

974
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 5: What'd you think of Tucker v Quarantinells?

975
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 8: And I think he was was a half step ahead

976
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,479
Speaker 8: of Billy Q. Billy cle's you know, his to look.

977
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 8: No one's going to question that guy. He's hot and toughness,

978
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 8: see the but he was just a half step behind.

979
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,960
Speaker 8: I think once Tuckers started getting the reeds on Billy,

980
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 8: he started even looking better and better, and uh, you know,

981
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 8: Billy needed to make some adjustments that he did, and

982
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 8: I think you know, they they were counting on his

983
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 8: toughness and this guy breaking and Billy doing what he

984
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 8: always does, come on in the third round and just

985
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 8: you know, finish it. But uh, like again, that's got

986
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 8: to be something that's looked at now because now he's

987
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 8: got to be a smartify and you know, if he

988
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,399
Speaker 8: wants to continue going forward, because we know he's got

989
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,080
Speaker 8: the heart and we know he's got the gas tank,

990
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 8: but uh, you know, he's got to I think become

991
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 8: a little more you know technical at this point.

992
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 5: Kenny, I think you'll appreciate this detail, and perhaps our

993
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 5: audience will as well. In terms of Gavin Tucker being

994
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 5: a thinker, so he signed to fight Billy Q in April,

995
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 5: and of course COVID nineteen intervened, but he said there

996
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 5: were almost six more rounds of film on Billy Q

997
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 5: now since he had initially signed to fight him. You know,

998
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 5: I mean, Gavin Tucker did his fucking homework and the

999
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 5: f bombs are just getting out of control and then

1000
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 5: next stop and now.

1001
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 8: I don't think he needed another six rounds to look

1002
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 8: at Billy Who I think, Billy? You know what's coming

1003
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 8: with Billy Kay?

1004
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 5: Well, hey, don't shoot the passenger. Raphael Phazeve. Raphael Phazeve,

1005
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,160
Speaker 5: I sort of joked on broadcast.

1006
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 6: If you don't know the name, shame on you.

1007
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 5: But at this point, like, go google Rafael Phazeve if

1008
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,640
Speaker 5: for some reason you're actually an Anakin floor and podcast

1009
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 5: viewer and you did not watch him do that to

1010
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 5: Hinato Moikano, I'd like to see the referee sort of

1011
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 5: give a beat in there, if I'm being honest.

1012
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 6: But uh, kenfloer, what did you think of Rafael Phaziv?

1013
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 6: Uh listen, don't stand in front of him for too long.

1014
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 7: That's would I think the speed and the power was

1015
00:49:20,480 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 7: h you know, it was clear he had that advantage

1016
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:23,800
Speaker 7: over Moikano.

1017
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 8: Uh.

1018
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 7: And I think Moi Kano got a little stubborn there,

1019
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 7: and I think he tried to beat him at his

1020
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 7: own game. And sometimes as a fighter, you got to go,

1021
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:36,359
Speaker 7: you know what, You're better here. I gotta do things

1022
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 7: a little differently. He wasn't using his range like I

1023
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 7: thought he should have. There were moments where he was

1024
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:44,280
Speaker 7: getting a good job off, but then he started getting

1025
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 7: into that range where Physiov was just way too good

1026
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 7: and way too fast. Uh. But dude, I mean that

1027
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,759
Speaker 7: is a striker who will really mess you up. If

1028
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 7: you want to go toe toe to toe with someone

1029
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 7: like that, be prepared to be sleeping. I mean that

1030
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:05,400
Speaker 7: dude is extremely dangerous. He's someone to watch. I would

1031
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 7: love to see his wrestling and grappling game improved because

1032
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 7: he could do a lot of damage in that division.

1033
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 5: So Ray, I need to go back and watch Rafael

1034
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:20,279
Speaker 5: Phaziv's UFC debut against Mago mad Mustafaiev. This was my

1035
00:50:20,320 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 5: first time watching Physive fight live. I don't remember his

1036
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:25,719
Speaker 5: UFC debut when he got TKO in round one, But

1037
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 5: I don't know, man, this dude would appear to be

1038
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 5: a real problem.

1039
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 6: You're a striking guy. What do you think of Rafael phazive?

1040
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 8: Oh you can't not like his striking. I mean he's

1041
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 8: explosive as hell. I mean, you know, every time he

1042
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,840
Speaker 8: lands a kick, it's like he's being shot with a cannon.

1043
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 8: But uh no, he looks. He looks good. Like again,

1044
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 8: I'd like to see, you know, a complete game. We

1045
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,360
Speaker 8: don't really know yet, but I think Kenny's right. Moikano

1046
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 8: made a decision to prove everybody wrong, and I think

1047
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,759
Speaker 8: that was his undoing, even though I and I'm not,

1048
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 8: I'm not taking anything away. I think that fight was

1049
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 8: stopped maybe a little too world. I think they should

1050
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 8: have given him a chance to work on the floor,

1051
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 8: But that, you know, it is what it is. The

1052
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 8: guy looked great, you know, and he was a great

1053
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 8: fight for him against the big name guided you know.

1054
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 8: So that's striking wise, it doesn't get much better than that.

1055
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,319
Speaker 5: I mean, he makes commentators react in a way that

1056
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:21,680
Speaker 5: we do not often react with the way he lands

1057
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:22,560
Speaker 5: those body kicks.

1058
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,720
Speaker 6: It's it's insane to listen to in person.

1059
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 5: So congrats to the Danny Rubinstein managed Raphael fazeve as

1060
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,439
Speaker 5: he improves to nine and one overall. He said Mooy

1061
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 5: ConA was the best fighter that he would have faced

1062
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 5: and brought a lot to the table and didn't need

1063
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 5: too long to dispose of him. Ti Schautour is a

1064
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,399
Speaker 5: big winner, as was Cub Swanson. You gotta feel good

1065
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 5: for Killer Cub, the father of three. Always feel good

1066
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 5: for the fathers with a bunch of kids, right, I mean,

1067
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 5: he's got three of them that are super young and

1068
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 5: to come back from an acl surgery like that. Kenny

1069
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:56,360
Speaker 5: cron Gracie, that win was just awesome. Last October, he

1070
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 5: goes into the Quintet Ultra grappling setting and gets a

1071
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:03,719
Speaker 5: torn against Jake Shields and called it a blessing in disguise.

1072
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 5: He was tested by Pineda, the leg was chewed up,

1073
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 5: but huge, huge.

1074
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:11,040
Speaker 6: Win in a career full of them for Kubbe Swanson, it.

1075
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 7: Really was man and again, you know, you look at

1076
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 7: Cub and the kind of toughness that he's shown and

1077
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 7: his ability to bounce back from adversity. Let's go back

1078
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 7: to that chron fight. Didn't he have like four losses

1079
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 7: in a row before? For the Crown fight, he had

1080
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 7: four losses in a row. He was facing a guy

1081
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 7: in Chrome Gracie, who obviously is one of the more

1082
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,960
Speaker 7: dangerous guys as far as jiu jitsu goes to ever

1083
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 7: compete inside the octagon. He got the win. You know,

1084
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 7: when his back was up against the wall, he just

1085
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 7: tore his acl was a horrible injury. Uh, And then

1086
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 7: just came back against a very tough dude in Pineda

1087
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 7: who was coming off of a win. And it looked awesome.

1088
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 7: Once he settled into the fight, Cub looked phenomenal. His

1089
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 7: speed was really impressive. I thought that really was the difference.

1090
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 7: But his ability to throw combinations in tight from the

1091
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 7: outside was awesome. And once he settled into that fight,

1092
00:53:03,120 --> 00:53:06,759
Speaker 7: man like he looked he made Pineda look pretty bad,

1093
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 7: to be honest, So it looked like Pineda was running

1094
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 7: out of steam.

1095
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 6: Cub Swanson was only getting stronger.

1096
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,279
Speaker 7: And to see one of the good guys in the

1097
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:16,799
Speaker 7: sport like Cub get a win was off right.

1098
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 5: A lot of competition for bonus money. As such, cub

1099
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 5: Swanson did not hear his name called. I'm sure he'll

1100
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 5: get something discretionarily, but anything for us on cub Swanson

1101
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 5: before we get back to the main event.

1102
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 8: I think Cubb was one of the least one of

1103
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 8: the old god guys the old time has got a

1104
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 8: victory because nobody else did so happy for him. See

1105
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:43,040
Speaker 8: how emotionally was after the fight, the heartfelt and again,

1106
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 8: like you say, one of the nice guys, and it's

1107
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 8: great to see those guys get a win.

1108
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 5: Can a slippery Peter Barrett plus two fifty or so

1109
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 5: underdog against Chase Hooper in the first fight of the

1110
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 5: night Chased the Dream Hooper twenty one years old minus

1111
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 5: three ten the favorite. You and I talk privately, and

1112
00:54:00,320 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 5: I know you were the first to say it in

1113
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,480
Speaker 5: in our conversation that he certainly didn't deserve that distinction

1114
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 5: to be a three to one favorite over anybody in

1115
00:54:06,520 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 5: the UFC. I bring up this fight in the context

1116
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:12,240
Speaker 5: of the fact that one of the judges actually gave

1117
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 5: Chase Hooper one of those first two rounds. So what

1118
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 5: I am gonna do when I get home? So I'm

1119
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 5: going to show my daughter Riley that round, and then

1120
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 5: I'm gonna show her round five between Davison Figadito and

1121
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 5: Brandon Moreno, I'm gonna have Riley give me her scorecards

1122
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 5: for those two rounds, and we'll see if she saw

1123
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 5: what we saw or if she saw what the judges saw.

1124
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 5: I mean, so open scoring. Imagine Peter Barrett looks up

1125
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 5: the fucking monitor right and sees that he's not winning

1126
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 5: the fight on one Jes's scorecard after two rounds.

1127
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 6: In turn of the guy, it's.

1128
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 5: Like, really, sal I know it wasn't Saldematto, but yeahally mad, okay,

1129
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 5: I want to look at the judge like, what the

1130
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,600
Speaker 5: hell do I need to do in order to win around?

1131
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 7: First of all, you know, listen, I don't want to

1132
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,680
Speaker 7: be disrespectful to Chase Hooper. I thought he showed a

1133
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:03,319
Speaker 7: lot of toughness right to come back and win. I

1134
00:55:03,360 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 7: thought was awesome. However, this guy's a developing talent, and

1135
00:55:09,280 --> 00:55:11,600
Speaker 7: developing talent to the point where I'm not sure he

1136
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,439
Speaker 7: should be in the UFC. And again, I just say

1137
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 7: that because I think the same thing we saw with

1138
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 7: the guys like Safe north Cut and things like that,

1139
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,160
Speaker 7: you get it is possible to go into the UFC

1140
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,960
Speaker 7: too early, and I think that he needs to get

1141
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:31,600
Speaker 7: better as a striker. He's taking a lot of damage, dude,

1142
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,399
Speaker 7: He's what is he twenty one years old and he's

1143
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,879
Speaker 7: already taking this kind of damage in fights. I mean,

1144
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 7: if you want to be in the UFC for a

1145
00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 7: long time, and if your goal, like every fighter I

1146
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:45,080
Speaker 7: think should be, is to be a champion again, that

1147
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 7: kind of durability to take that damage eventually goes away.

1148
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 7: We saw that. We've been talking about that for this

1149
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 7: whole show essentially with with with Tony and Jack Array

1150
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 7: and JDS.

1151
00:55:56,200 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 6: You know, you only have a certain amount of time.

1152
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 7: Why not go in the regional circuit, get or come

1153
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 7: back into the UFC Because for me, he just doesn't

1154
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 7: have the striking of a UFC fighter. He does not

1155
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 7: have that level of striking. He does not have that

1156
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 7: level of wrestling at this point. I get it, you

1157
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 7: can absolutely get better, but is he at a point

1158
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 7: where he can be competitive against the best guys or

1159
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:21,880
Speaker 7: even the medium level guys. No, And it would be

1160
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 7: a shame to see him, you know, going to the

1161
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,440
Speaker 7: UFC this early and then kind of just get left behind.

1162
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,360
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, but look, I mean, you've got we

1163
00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:32,400
Speaker 8: I think we can agree that they did give him

1164
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 8: a good fight that he could have grown from.

1165
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:38,080
Speaker 5: Well, of course, and the odds makers Aimes no more

1166
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:38,640
Speaker 5: than we do.

1167
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:38,880
Speaker 7: Right.

1168
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:41,400
Speaker 6: They gave him a fight that he was happily favored.

1169
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,960
Speaker 7: He was almost a four to one favored by the way,

1170
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:45,760
Speaker 7: it was like three eighty at one point, which.

1171
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,280
Speaker 8: Is like, the only guy I feel sorry but today

1172
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 8: is fucking de Lagrade. He must be fucking he had

1173
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:55,239
Speaker 8: that fight one he knew, he knew the only way

1174
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 8: to lose was exactly the way he lost, and that's

1175
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:00,359
Speaker 8: gotta be kill.

1176
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,600
Speaker 5: So Chase was given a developmental deal af after went

1177
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 5: on Dana Wet's Contender series when he was eighteen. Right,

1178
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 5: then he has three fights outside the UFC, Kenny, he

1179
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 5: goes two oh and one. Well, no, but I'm not

1180
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 5: necessarily disagreeing with you. But so he goes two to

1181
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,720
Speaker 5: oh and one to earn his trip back. And I

1182
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 5: think most of us look at him and think that

1183
00:57:19,560 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 5: still more development needs to be done just to be

1184
00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 5: on the UFC level. But here he is two and

1185
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 5: one in the UFC with a couple of finishes, right,

1186
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 5: and but you're right, like, that doesn't mean you should

1187
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 5: be here or sustaining damage. But he's got a fan

1188
00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,960
Speaker 5: in me and a lot of upside. Of course, at

1189
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:36,919
Speaker 5: twenty one years of age. All right, ray Longo. Your

1190
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 5: thoughts on the main event? Talking with my hands?

1191
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, let's do it, baby.

1192
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 5: Your thoughts on the main event? How did you score it?

1193
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 5: I know you've got praise for both sides. I'm sure

1194
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:53,080
Speaker 5: I might get a flag of the Nation of Mexico

1195
00:57:53,160 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 5: tattooed on my body. Out of respect to Brandon Reno.

1196
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 5: What did you think of the main event?

1197
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,440
Speaker 8: I am the main event. I want to say I

1198
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:03,160
Speaker 8: give an eight plus to Jason Herzog thought that's the

1199
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 8: best thing I've seen in a while. Take the fucking

1200
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:09,600
Speaker 8: point away. Guy gets poked in the eye, he's compromised,

1201
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,840
Speaker 8: then he gets kicked in the bulls. What do you

1202
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 8: want from the guys? Maybe? I think I get a

1203
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 8: text from my friend because he bet he had a figuredo.

1204
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:21,640
Speaker 8: When a Paulie goes to fixes in, I go, what

1205
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 8: fix you want? To get poked in the eye and

1206
00:58:24,160 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 8: kicked in the bulls. I would have taken two points away,

1207
00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 8: like I don't even I thought that was the best

1208
00:58:29,080 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 8: thing I saw. So hats off to her. Oh I

1209
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 8: think I love him anyway at the left, But man,

1210
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:38,080
Speaker 8: I and you explain that rule perfectly. I didn't even

1211
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 8: I was unaware of that myself because I go wight.

1212
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,360
Speaker 8: I never saw that before. But yeah, it that I give,

1213
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 8: I would have. It's got to be in the immediate rematch.

1214
00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 8: I'd have to go back and score. But I thought

1215
00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 8: Moreno was gonna win that fight, especially with the point.

1216
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 8: I thought he won that fight, to be honest with

1217
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 8: But either way, they're both both great. What a great fight.

1218
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 8: I don't, dude, I tell you, I don't think people

1219
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 8: realize how hard it is to take an eyepoke and

1220
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 8: then to get kicked in the balls and be praying

1221
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 8: on your knees for two minutes before you get up,

1222
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 8: Like I get the guy won the fight just for

1223
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 8: me on that he's facing a chilla and that guy,

1224
00:59:23,400 --> 00:59:25,240
Speaker 8: if you notice, go back and look at the fight,

1225
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,360
Speaker 8: he was winning that he was winning, he was coming

1226
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 8: on strong. The other guy takes a break, he comes

1227
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 8: out swinging like a madman again. So you know, I

1228
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 8: don't that shit. That shit is really rough when I

1229
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,200
Speaker 8: look at it, because I think Moreno was starting to

1230
00:59:39,240 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 8: find he took the best he had to offer. I

1231
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 8: think he was just starting to break him and then

1232
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 8: he got kicked in the nuts. So hats off to

1233
00:59:46,600 --> 00:59:49,680
Speaker 8: Moreno man, he did you you should get a flag

1234
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,439
Speaker 8: in Mexico. I thought the guy was, like again, tough

1235
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 8: as nails. He never waved on any of those punches either.

1236
00:59:57,720 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 8: The only mistake I think he made took his foot

1237
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 8: off the gas pedal in the fifth round, which I

1238
01:00:02,160 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 8: don't understand, but I guess maybe the shoulder thing was

1239
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 8: a probona and that was the deciding fact that he

1240
01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 8: has a good fifth round. He unequivocally wins that fight.

1241
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 6: So did you get the tattoo?

1242
01:00:15,440 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 8: I don't have any tattoos.

1243
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,959
Speaker 6: All right, but I know you're what a great fight.

1244
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:23,640
Speaker 6: I know, I know you're a man of integrity.

1245
01:00:23,720 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 5: And I cheated on like my biology final in college.

1246
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 5: I cheated off a football player on all of the

1247
01:00:29,560 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 5: multiple choices.

1248
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 6: I hope they don't come from my degree.

1249
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:37,120
Speaker 5: But if I'm a coach, right and my fighter gets

1250
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 5: kicked in the twig and berries, right, if you have

1251
01:00:40,160 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 5: an intelligent referee in there who understands how the scoring

1252
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 5: is to be interpreted, all you got to do is

1253
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 5: dry Heaver say audibly to her, Oh man, I think

1254
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 5: I'm gonna puke, And then he has almost no choice

1255
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:53,480
Speaker 5: in that moment to take a point away and that

1256
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 5: knowledge the impact that that could have on the rest

1257
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 5: of the fight.

1258
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, that's cheating. That's the only problem with with that rule.

1259
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,440
Speaker 8: But I think as of last night, I think it

1260
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 8: was very appropriate. You know, but you can't, Kenny, But

1261
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 8: I think you're gonna have to be an actor and

1262
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 8: I think you know the refuge up to his discretion,

1263
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 8: and that's going to be that's a problem what you're saying.

1264
01:01:17,360 --> 01:01:20,480
Speaker 8: But I'm addressing last night, and I think last night

1265
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 8: it was appropriate. I might say it's full ship next

1266
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 8: week because exactly somebody might start, Oh, I'm good, Yeah,

1267
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 8: you know what I mean, that's what would be the

1268
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 8: tell tales.

1269
01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 5: I think I'm ready to go exactly that County.

1270
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:38,880
Speaker 6: We need to clip those We need to clip those

1271
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:39,840
Speaker 6: his audio clips.

1272
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:42,640
Speaker 7: Now what you do think the ray long a minute?

1273
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:46,760
Speaker 8: You know what I mean? Like, so those guys are

1274
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 8: out there, imagine that's part of your training now, right,

1275
01:01:49,960 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 8: I want to see you fake a nutshot and just

1276
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:56,480
Speaker 8: start contorting on the ground for about a minute, then

1277
01:01:56,520 --> 01:02:01,919
Speaker 8: get up fucking thatact like nothing happened. John, You're right

1278
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:04,720
Speaker 8: with that, But I'm saying last night it was perfect.

1279
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 5: He's given us the Fatty McGhee sound effects today if

1280
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 5: you ever listen to Adam Sandler.

1281
01:02:09,160 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 6: But I like this day is fun. All right?

1282
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Speaker 5: You got anything else? Ray, We got to get out

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Speaker 5: of here. And you can be sure Cody's wheels are

1284
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 5: churning when you're making those sound effects. Oh, I know

1285
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Speaker 5: Ian Parker is going to be pissed, but real, real quick,

1286
01:02:21,560 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 5: Titia tour has finished. Sam Hughes, and I do believe

1287
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Speaker 5: did you see this fight? Ray Tsha to with outstanding

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01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:28,800
Speaker 5: early on. I do think there's a parallel to be

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Speaker 5: drawn between Sam Hughes and Max Roschkoff. I mean, Sam

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Speaker 5: Hughes did not want to be there, and she said

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Speaker 5: repeatedly that she couldn't see. Then it seemed like when

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Speaker 5: her coaches were going to stop the fight, she was

1293
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Speaker 5: kind of like, no, maybe I do kind of want

1294
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Speaker 5: to be here. Some crazy extenuating circumstances for her. She

1295
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Speaker 5: is not at all lifelong martial artists, all of a

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01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 5: sudden found herself in the UFC and just getting all

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Speaker 5: those fast hands and feet from Tisha. But I did

1298
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Speaker 5: think of Rashkoff in that moment that maybe Sam Hughes

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Speaker 5: needs a little more seasoning before she comes back.

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Speaker 8: Is all, yeah, we want me to say, Oh.

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Speaker 6: You don't have to say anything. I'll I'll tell you

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Speaker 6: why to you go?

1303
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Speaker 8: Man, one quick story. I mean, while I'm sitting on.

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Speaker 6: My top of getting fucking stoneball.

1305
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Speaker 8: Max Roch, what the hell is.

1306
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Speaker 6: The Robert Drysdale situation?

1307
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Speaker 8: Do you know?

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01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:19,360
Speaker 6: That's all I'm saying.

1309
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Speaker 5: I should have set that up better, A little understepping

1310
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Speaker 5: on the I can't what's your show?

1311
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Speaker 8: So I'm sitting on the couch and I text, Aw Joe,

1312
01:03:30,880 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 8: I go, I can't believe I'm fucking sitting on the

1313
01:03:33,640 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 8: couch right now, like it really did suck. And then

1314
01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 8: he goes, I was thinking the same thing.

1315
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Speaker 7: You know.

1316
01:03:40,080 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 8: It's just I don't know, it's just a little what

1317
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 8: a shitty feeling man, thinking you're gonna be there, this

1318
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 8: guy's finally getting the opportunity and zippo. Nothing.

1319
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Speaker 5: That's it, man, We love you. Talk to you next week.

1320
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 5: We got an awards show come up, a lot to

1321
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 5: look forward to. We are sending you a Christmas bonus.

1322
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Speaker 8: This is really Christmas.

1323
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Speaker 6: Look out for that last year. I'll tell the.

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Speaker 8: Sorry wife, sorry about that.

1325
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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like extra rounds is fucking fatten in that wall.

1326
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 5: And I will say that speaking of integrity, this is

1327
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 5: the truth. Rating cash this Christmas bonus check last year

1328
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Speaker 5: until May of the following year, so we'll seef it

1329
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Speaker 5: takes you five months.

1330
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Speaker 6: I mean, you must really need the money taking you

1331
01:04:31,520 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 6: five months.

1332
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Speaker 8: After this COVID drought. That might get checked, get cashed

1333
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 8: before it's even said. And your venok, my bankers a

1334
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 8: rough stretch.

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Speaker 9: Man.

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Speaker 8: If I made it through this, I can make it

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Speaker 8: through anything.

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Speaker 5: Oh man, all right, get a haircut, have a great week.

1339
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Speaker 5: We'll talk to you next time.

1340
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Speaker 10: And I'm just trying to make you feel bit so

1341
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Speaker 10: maybe you fat in the envelope. I'm out of my

1342
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Speaker 10: mind and I listen, enjoyed the rest of the God

1343
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Speaker 10: so great.

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Speaker 8: I love you.

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Speaker 5: I mean you talk about let Sarah long go overload

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Speaker 5: for me today from one into the other. Well, for

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Speaker 5: All right, the Duck has been waiting patiently. Let us

1380
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Speaker 5: get to the main event challenge.

1381
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Speaker 6: He's the main event challenge every time is definitely high

1382
01:06:45,040 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 6: face time.

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Speaker 9: How do you everything?

1384
01:06:47,560 --> 01:06:51,680
Speaker 2: Pot We'll Doin's the main Event Challenge with John Hennick

1385
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 2: and Kenny Florian podcast.

1386
01:06:54,640 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 5: All right now joined bye my man the Duck On

1387
01:06:56,560 --> 01:06:58,960
Speaker 5: social media, you can find him at Ian Parker Mma.

1388
01:06:59,120 --> 01:07:01,200
Speaker 5: When are we getting a duck into the handle?

1389
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 6: Bro? Can we do it as soon as like tomorrow?

1390
01:07:03,680 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, as soon as we get some sort of you

1391
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,280
Speaker 9: know name on the show when we do the intros.

1392
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:09,920
Speaker 9: I'm the only one who doesn't got one. So when

1393
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 9: we do that, just like a little quack, just something

1394
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 9: you know, John hates when I bring this stuff up.

1395
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,440
Speaker 9: I'm just kidding. You want me to do it tomorrow?

1396
01:07:16,520 --> 01:07:17,960
Speaker 6: Dude, I don't hate, I don't hate.

1397
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 5: No, I just know that you have leaned all in

1398
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 5: on this duck nickname and what.

1399
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Speaker 9: Thank you, Thank you, Cody. I appreciate that. Yeah, you know,

1400
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 9: I was gonna actually change it to Chris Lee's a

1401
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 9: stupid motherfucker.

1402
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 5: But I was gonna I'm gonna here, gonna get me

1403
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 5: in trouble with the commission. No, it's okay, it's funny.

1404
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:38,520
Speaker 5: It's really funny.

1405
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:40,439
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was. I was hoping I was gonna slide

1406
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 9: one of those that Candido is going to toss it

1407
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,000
Speaker 9: up on Twitter. But the way I've been talking the

1408
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:46,480
Speaker 9: last two weeks, I think I'm banned for a while.

1409
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,320
Speaker 5: Cody uh has pushed out a lot of Ian Parker

1410
01:07:49,320 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 5: content on our social media channels, though I think we've

1411
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:53,520
Speaker 5: promoted you quite well all things considered. But I do

1412
01:07:53,560 --> 01:07:56,720
Speaker 5: want to congratulate you as the captain of Team Annik.

1413
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 5: Because the concession speech has been delivered seven to three

1414
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,439
Speaker 5: the final last week it's one sixty six to one eight,

1415
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 5: and because Ken Flow doesn't want to just do opposite

1416
01:08:06,560 --> 01:08:09,000
Speaker 5: picks and he wants to do the analysis the proper way,

1417
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:14,360
Speaker 5: Team Annik wins the twenty twenty Main Event Challenge. Congratulations

1418
01:08:14,360 --> 01:08:17,320
Speaker 5: Ian and to the other few handicappers that joined in

1419
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:20,960
Speaker 5: along the way. So now you get to come up

1420
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 5: with a punishment for flow and he has to approve it. Right,

1421
01:08:24,200 --> 01:08:28,120
Speaker 5: This isn't remember the show where Bala Mohammad gets to

1422
01:08:28,200 --> 01:08:31,679
Speaker 5: tell these people to push out these terribly offensive tweets

1423
01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:34,080
Speaker 5: and they don't get to negotiate these tweets.

1424
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 6: So you can chew on that.

1425
01:08:35,360 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 5: But congratulations, honestly on a great year picking fights.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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01:08:39,160 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 9: I appreciate that. Yeah, you know, I wasn't gonna have

1428
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,760
Speaker 9: any like shaven eyebrow on the show or something like that.

1429
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:45,599
Speaker 9: We were you know, I don't want him getting fired

1430
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:47,719
Speaker 9: from BattleBots, especially now that I know that Ja Daki

1431
01:08:47,760 --> 01:08:50,759
Speaker 9: has happened to be a huge, huge I'm just invading

1432
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,040
Speaker 9: his face. Kenny doesn't want to admit this, but he

1433
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 9: may just have to admit to the whole Twitter sphere

1434
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:57,280
Speaker 9: that him and I are in fact best friends, and

1435
01:08:58,320 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 9: you know, I just may pop up. You know, I'm

1436
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,640
Speaker 9: actually sitting in another room in Kenny's house right now.

1437
01:09:02,680 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 9: He doesn't want to tell.

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01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 5: Me about Hey, right, well, I wasn't going to tell

1439
01:09:06,280 --> 01:09:09,839
Speaker 5: you that Boston Annak got the Instagram follow from Kenny Florian,

1440
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:11,160
Speaker 5: but it kind of is what it is.

1441
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 6: We got to make some picks.

1442
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:13,000
Speaker 9: I already knew.

1443
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,920
Speaker 5: I already knew It's okay now, Blall, remember the name

1444
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,840
Speaker 5: Muhammad minus three thirty five, the favorite here in the

1445
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 5: featured prelim against Diego Lima plus two seventy five. By

1446
01:09:23,800 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 5: the way, this show wal to wall on ESPN Plus

1447
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:29,559
Speaker 5: on Saturday night. So Blaal, as you know, has his

1448
01:09:29,600 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 5: own show on this platform alongside my twin brother Jason.

1449
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 6: It's remember the show.

1450
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,639
Speaker 5: It's live every Thursday night at eight thirty pm Eastern

1451
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,880
Speaker 5: on this very channel. Likely won't be a show this

1452
01:09:38,920 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 5: week because of course Belaal will be cutting weight. But

1453
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 5: Ballal Ian good friend of yours as well. He's now

1454
01:09:44,080 --> 01:09:46,680
Speaker 5: ranked number fifteen in the world. Might be even higher now,

1455
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:47,280
Speaker 5: right thirteen?

1456
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:47,719
Speaker 7: Maybe?

1457
01:09:48,120 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 5: Either way, He's won seven of eight. Only lost in

1458
01:09:50,720 --> 01:09:53,200
Speaker 5: that span was to the man who's headlining this car,

1459
01:09:53,320 --> 01:09:55,760
Speaker 5: Jeff Neil. What do you think Ian about Ballall in

1460
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 5: this spot against Diego Lima.

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Speaker 9: Oh, this is an interesting fight. I don't think Diego

1462
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 9: Lima is really going to threaten him much of anywhere.

1463
01:10:03,479 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 9: And I'm not just saying that because a biased you know,

1464
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:07,800
Speaker 9: I do think falaals Cardial will be better. I think

1465
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 9: he's gonna be more technical striker, and I think his

1466
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 9: pressure with his wrestling will be key. We we saw

1467
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 9: in his last fight against Liman Good, how he evolved he's been.

1468
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:16,800
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, how much better. I don't know why I

1469
01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 9: used that word so much. I know it bothers Kenny.

1470
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:20,960
Speaker 9: How much better his striking has gotten. That he's not

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01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 9: just a wrestler anymore, you know, And I think really

1472
01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 9: he's shaking his head right.

1473
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 5: Well, it bothered him one time, and you have leaned

1474
01:10:27,120 --> 01:10:28,679
Speaker 5: so heavily into that one time.

1475
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:29,599
Speaker 6: He took exception.

1476
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,799
Speaker 7: And it's not. The word that I have a problem

1477
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 7: with is when it's not, it's not. It's either they've

1478
01:10:34,439 --> 01:10:37,800
Speaker 7: evolved or they're not. It's like, you know what I'm saying,

1479
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,599
Speaker 7: it's not the word that bothers me. If they're not,

1480
01:10:40,800 --> 01:10:44,320
Speaker 7: if they haven't evolved, don't use the vault, right.

1481
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 9: You see what I got to do to get Kenny

1482
01:10:46,040 --> 01:10:47,960
Speaker 9: all fucking riled up? Do you see what I gotta

1483
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:48,519
Speaker 9: do with it?

1484
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:51,400
Speaker 6: It's you know, he's got a problem with red cars.

1485
01:10:51,439 --> 01:10:53,960
Speaker 7: You know, No, that's not the issue. It's not a

1486
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:54,599
Speaker 7: red car.

1487
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,040
Speaker 9: No, it's not a red car. I like Palala Muhammad here.

1488
01:10:57,080 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 5: I think he will Diego Lima Kenny has one three

1489
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 5: straight fights after some tough stretches in the UFC, but

1490
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:05,879
Speaker 5: this will be his first appearance of the year, replacing

1491
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 5: Sean Brady. He had a neck injury that requires surgery,

1492
01:11:09,680 --> 01:11:12,600
Speaker 5: so that is part of the narrative here, but he

1493
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 5: has figured some things out, especially on the feet. What

1494
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 5: do you think about Lima here against Blall Kenny.

1495
01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:20,479
Speaker 7: I think Diego's tough. I don't think he's an easy

1496
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 7: out at all for anybody. But I do think that Ballall,

1497
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 7: in his experience and his consistency, it's gonna be tough

1498
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 7: for Diego to go out there and get a win.

1499
01:11:32,920 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 7: I like Ballall here as well. I think he goes

1500
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,559
Speaker 7: out there and wins this fight for sure. Balah needs

1501
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 7: to finish. When you're minus three thirty five, you gotta

1502
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 7: finish the fight. And a lot of Ballall's wins have

1503
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,880
Speaker 7: gone the distance. They have been dominant, but he needs

1504
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 7: to finish. We'll see if he can get it against

1505
01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:50,639
Speaker 7: Diego Lima all Right. Also with welterweight former UFC lightweight

1506
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 7: champ Anthony Showtime, Pettis minus two hundred the favorite against

1507
01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:56,960
Speaker 7: Alex Morono, who is plus one seventy. So Pettis was

1508
01:11:57,000 --> 01:11:59,879
Speaker 7: back at welts Wait earlier this year, outpointed Donald Cowboy Seroni.

1509
01:12:00,120 --> 01:12:02,720
Speaker 7: On the other side, you have Morono out of four

1510
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,120
Speaker 7: to Samma, He's won four or five, only lost in

1511
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:07,479
Speaker 7: that stretch to one of the breakout stars of the year,

1512
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 7: Chaos Williams, And you got to think he in that

1513
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,599
Speaker 7: Morono is just salivating at the possibility of adding this

1514
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 7: Pettis scalp to his resume. What do you think about

1515
01:12:15,320 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 7: Morono against Showtime?

1516
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,240
Speaker 9: Oh, I'm very confused about how this fight even came about.

1517
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 9: I'm assuming they're throwing money out Anthony Petits to take

1518
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 9: this fight.

1519
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 5: This is not I think it might be the last

1520
01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 5: fight of Pettis's contract and he wanted to get one in.

1521
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 6: I could be wrong.

1522
01:12:30,680 --> 01:12:33,599
Speaker 9: I mean that's something I just for me. It's very

1523
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:36,040
Speaker 9: risky because anything can happen in the fight. I think

1524
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:38,799
Speaker 9: minus two twenty is actually a generous line for Anthony Pettis,

1525
01:12:38,840 --> 01:12:41,280
Speaker 9: who just beat Cowboys Seroni and has fought much higher

1526
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,800
Speaker 9: level of competition, and we don't know where Morono was

1527
01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 9: going to come back after getting knocked out like that

1528
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 9: by Chaos Williams, so I have no choice. I think

1529
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 9: showtime Pettis gets to win here and maybe leverages his

1530
01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 9: way into a contract extension, if you are correct.

1531
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 5: With that, Denflow Pettus Morono, I kind of like when

1532
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 5: superstars give guys like this opportunities when there isn't an

1533
01:12:59,360 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 5: obvious next opponent.

1534
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:01,479
Speaker 6: What do you think about this fight?

1535
01:13:02,479 --> 01:13:04,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, listen, there's going to be a risk there, but

1536
01:13:05,439 --> 01:13:07,599
Speaker 7: I do think that it does show a certain level

1537
01:13:07,640 --> 01:13:11,080
Speaker 7: of confidence that Pettis feels that it's a fight that

1538
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,160
Speaker 7: he should be able to win. I do think that's

1539
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,320
Speaker 7: a fight he should be able to win. And I

1540
01:13:16,320 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 7: don't know if Pettis is going to go out there

1541
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 7: and finish him necessarily, but I do think he'll get

1542
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 7: the win.

1543
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 5: All right, We got to pick him fight next at heavyweight.

1544
01:13:23,200 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 5: We will have kenthl a lead here. It's Marching Tabora

1545
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:29,240
Speaker 5: minus won ten. Greg Hardy minus won ten. We talked

1546
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:32,400
Speaker 5: about Tibora a few months ago, made a noticeable physical

1547
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:35,519
Speaker 5: transformation for the last fight, just was in the best

1548
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 5: shape of his life and it produced a big win

1549
01:13:37,320 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 5: against Ben Rothwell on Fight Island. Now he'll put a

1550
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 5: three fight winning streak on the line against Greg Hardy,

1551
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:43,920
Speaker 5: the Prince of war on beaten in five of his

1552
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:45,880
Speaker 5: last six comes in following a big win over the

1553
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:48,919
Speaker 5: Crochet Boss Maury Screen on Halloween.

1554
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 6: Ken Flow.

1555
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 5: Big opportunity for Greg Hardy against Marching Tbor who do

1556
01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:53,439
Speaker 5: you have?

1557
01:13:54,120 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 7: Geez? You know? I think that if we saw the

1558
01:13:57,400 --> 01:14:01,040
Speaker 7: Marching that fought his last time out, I think that

1559
01:14:01,160 --> 01:14:03,240
Speaker 7: he should be able to get the win. But Greg

1560
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,519
Speaker 7: Hardy is a guy that you know, say what you

1561
01:14:05,560 --> 01:14:08,000
Speaker 7: will about Greg. You know how, He's gonna show up.

1562
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 7: He's gonna come up, He's gonna come to fight. He's

1563
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 7: gonna look for the knockout. I think if there's a

1564
01:14:13,400 --> 01:14:16,280
Speaker 7: guy who can get the knockout, it's probably Greg Hardy.

1565
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 7: But I think Marchen is gonna be better on the ground.

1566
01:14:22,400 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 7: I don't know if he's gonna be able to put

1567
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:26,760
Speaker 7: Greg Hardy on his back though, And I think if

1568
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,439
Speaker 7: it stays on the feet, I think if someone gets clipped,

1569
01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 7: it's probably gonna be Marchin. I do think that he

1570
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:38,200
Speaker 7: looked way better in his last fight. But I'm gonna

1571
01:14:38,240 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 7: go with Greg here. I've picked against Greg pretty consistently,

1572
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,559
Speaker 7: but I think he gets the win here. I think

1573
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 7: this would be a big, a big win for him

1574
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:46,320
Speaker 7: as well.

1575
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 5: And you know, I got one of the first seats

1576
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 5: on the Greg Hardy bandwagon. What do you think about

1577
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,840
Speaker 5: his chances here against the much improved marching to Bora.

1578
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 9: I was there with you. I'm unbuckling my seatbelt and

1579
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 9: I'm getting on the to Bora train. And now you

1580
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 9: know what Kenny's original point, I think suits best. The

1581
01:15:04,439 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 9: last two times we've saw Martine, he has been excellent

1582
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:10,559
Speaker 9: and I think he is one of the more improved

1583
01:15:10,560 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 9: fighters we've seen in the second half of this year.

1584
01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,920
Speaker 9: The cardio against Ben Rothwell, the volume that he was throwing,

1585
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 9: the pace he thought really smart too. Rothwell was throwing

1586
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 9: so much, and you know he kind of just rope

1587
01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 9: the rope a dope him a little bit. And then

1588
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 9: that ground game against Rothwell that we thought Ben would

1589
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 9: have the huge advantage to Bora really stepped up. And

1590
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:31,920
Speaker 9: I think against Greg Hardy Hardy in that Crochet boss fight,

1591
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 9: I don't think we saw anything different. I think we

1592
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 9: saw what we expect him to see, be the more

1593
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 9: powerful athlete, knocking a guy out. I also think Mo

1594
01:15:38,840 --> 01:15:41,080
Speaker 9: Green's a little overrated, as we've seen. I really think

1595
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:44,840
Speaker 9: Tobora has an opportunity here to not take damage, not brawl,

1596
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:47,360
Speaker 9: be smart, take this fight to the ground, and just

1597
01:15:47,400 --> 01:15:48,840
Speaker 9: get on top and win. So I'm going to go

1598
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:49,240
Speaker 9: that way.

1599
01:15:49,520 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 6: Nicely played.

1600
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:51,880
Speaker 5: And just so you know, if you see me looking

1601
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:54,680
Speaker 5: at my phone during this segment, I'm only communicating with

1602
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:56,920
Speaker 5: our producer Cody, So don't think I'm cheating on you

1603
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:58,680
Speaker 5: by looking at my phone. It's not like I got

1604
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:01,360
Speaker 5: hot chicks fucking text in. All right, huge fight at

1605
01:16:01,400 --> 01:16:07,040
Speaker 5: Bandam Wait wait a sec that Brooklyn, I'm sorry, sorry.

1606
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 6: Sorry, a huge fight. I thought that was a huge fight.

1607
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:14,640
Speaker 6: Wait ah.

1608
01:16:15,240 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 5: The former titled Challenger Marlon Marie minus won fifty five

1609
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:22,240
Speaker 5: here against Rob Font, who comes back at plus one

1610
01:16:22,360 --> 01:16:25,320
Speaker 5: thirty five. So Marie is trying to rally from what

1611
01:16:25,400 --> 01:16:27,680
Speaker 5: was a one sided main event lost to Corey Sandhagen

1612
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,880
Speaker 5: in October. Font I think he in the best form

1613
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 5: of his career, has dealt with some injuries. He's won

1614
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:36,760
Speaker 5: two straight over Sergio Pettis and Ricky Simone. But first

1615
01:16:36,760 --> 01:16:39,040
Speaker 5: fight of twenty twenty for Rob Font here, how do

1616
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,639
Speaker 5: he handicap his chances against Magic Marlon but Ice.

1617
01:16:44,120 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 9: This is a really interesting fight, huge opportunity for Font,

1618
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 9: huge opportunity for Marice to get back on track with

1619
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 9: a win. I think in kind of a stylistically good

1620
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:55,639
Speaker 9: matchup for him. For me, if Maris doesn't win this fight,

1621
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 9: I really don't know where else he goes. I think

1622
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:00,519
Speaker 9: he has to absolutely win this fight. I think if

1623
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 9: Rob Font loses, this is just a really solid experience

1624
01:17:04,040 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 9: for him, finding a top notch guy he hasn't fought yet.

1625
01:17:06,520 --> 01:17:09,120
Speaker 9: So based on experience, level of competition, where these guys

1626
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,120
Speaker 9: are at in their careers, I think Maris is just

1627
01:17:11,160 --> 01:17:14,360
Speaker 9: gonna be a little bit better everywhere. And again, I

1628
01:17:14,360 --> 01:17:16,320
Speaker 9: don't know how he's gonna bounce back from that San Jagen.

1629
01:17:16,360 --> 01:17:17,840
Speaker 9: I thought he looked pretty good in that first round

1630
01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,000
Speaker 9: against Corey, even though Corey had the ten to nine.

1631
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 9: I thought Rice was in it, you know, until until

1632
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:25,160
Speaker 9: he until he wasn't. So I am going to go

1633
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 9: Marice here. I'm not overly confident though. I like Rob

1634
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:30,320
Speaker 9: Bond's stand up. I think his takedown defense has gotten

1635
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,439
Speaker 9: way better. Uh, you know, Like I said, this is

1636
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:33,880
Speaker 9: kind of an now or never for Marlin, and I'm

1637
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 9: going to go.

1638
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 5: That way, Kenny. But Icepot, would you bet the fight?

1639
01:17:37,560 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 6: Who do you like?

1640
01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:41,760
Speaker 7: You know, I don't.

1641
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:43,880
Speaker 6: I don't hate Rob Font here in this fight.

1642
01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 7: I think that you know, it's it's kind of like

1643
01:17:47,640 --> 01:17:50,280
Speaker 7: when you broke the four minute mile for the first time,

1644
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 7: then all of a sudden, a bunch of people did

1645
01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 7: it after that first person. I think that the blueprint

1646
01:17:54,720 --> 01:17:55,160
Speaker 7: is kind of.

1647
01:17:55,120 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 6: Out a little bit on Marla Maris.

1648
01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 7: Now. Granted, this is a guy with a tremendous out

1649
01:18:00,240 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 7: of physical skills. He's very fast, he's explosive, But I

1650
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,840
Speaker 7: do think that it gives you a lot of confidence

1651
01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 7: knowing that he may not be so strong if you

1652
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:15,360
Speaker 7: pressure him, and he may not be a guy who

1653
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:17,720
Speaker 7: is going to come at you with the same kind

1654
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:21,639
Speaker 7: of vigor later on in the fight. So I think

1655
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 7: that Rob Font is good enough to get this into

1656
01:18:25,360 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 7: the third round where he could start to kind of

1657
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 7: turn the tables on Marlin a little bit at score.

1658
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:33,719
Speaker 7: So I like Rob Font here. I'm gonna go with Font.

1659
01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 7: I think he gets the win.

1660
01:18:35,200 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 5: Big opportunity for the New England cartels. Rob Font if

1661
01:18:38,840 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 5: he is going to be a UFC champion or get

1662
01:18:40,720 --> 01:18:41,719
Speaker 5: into that top five.

1663
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 6: This is one he's got to have. Are you calling

1664
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 6: time out on me here?

1665
01:18:46,160 --> 01:18:49,840
Speaker 9: Yeah, Kenny, you ran under a four minute mile.

1666
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,479
Speaker 6: I haven't no, Well, I will tell you though, I

1667
01:18:54,520 --> 01:18:55,000
Speaker 6: was gonna say.

1668
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,519
Speaker 5: I'll tell you though, Ken Flow and he'll be humble

1669
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:02,280
Speaker 5: about this as usual, but sometimes to test himself. He

1670
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 5: tells the story of just going out in the street

1671
01:19:04,040 --> 01:19:06,360
Speaker 5: in Dover, Massachusetts, even when he's not in shape, and

1672
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:09,599
Speaker 5: just punishing himself by running like a five minute forty

1673
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,920
Speaker 5: second mile. Dudes, insane man, professional athlete, most famous ever

1674
01:19:13,960 --> 01:19:14,599
Speaker 5: come out of Dover.

1675
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 9: Bro you always had good cardio. I was curious. I

1676
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:19,559
Speaker 9: was like, fuck, is this guy running like three thirty

1677
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 9: miles off soccer?

1678
01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:24,080
Speaker 7: We just run so much playing soccer, you know, it's crazy.

1679
01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:30,320
Speaker 5: So Kenny's final WEBC. Kenny's final UFC fight was twenty

1680
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 5: one days before my first day as a as a

1681
01:19:33,240 --> 01:19:35,920
Speaker 5: UFC employee. But if I had filled out one of

1682
01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,639
Speaker 5: these Ken Flow fighter cards that I have on everybody else,

1683
01:19:39,160 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 5: mean streak would have absolutely been a like mean mother

1684
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:48,360
Speaker 5: fucker in there, no doubt about it all right at Welterwig,

1685
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 5: this fight has really resonated with Fansy and Parker. Michelle

1686
01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 5: put eight to minus one twenty five. Chaos Williams easier

1687
01:19:55,360 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 5: to say plus one oh five Chaos eleven and one.

1688
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 5: Hasn't lost since his third pro fight, and he's been

1689
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 5: a highlight machine thus far in the UFC. Just ask

1690
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 5: Abdullah zach Al Hassan and your thoughts on Chaos Williams

1691
01:20:07,560 --> 01:20:09,920
Speaker 5: in the spot against Michelle Paneda.

1692
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:13,720
Speaker 9: I'm not gonna ask Kal Haassen because a he'll fuck

1693
01:20:13,800 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 9: me up and be he probably doesn't remember what happened,

1694
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,200
Speaker 9: you know, Like that was one of the most ferocious

1695
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:21,800
Speaker 9: knockouts I think I've ever seen, just that straight down

1696
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,000
Speaker 9: the middle that just ended his life. It was horrifying

1697
01:20:25,080 --> 01:20:28,040
Speaker 9: and beautiful at the same time. Peita looked at phenomenal.

1698
01:20:28,080 --> 01:20:30,200
Speaker 9: In his last fight, he finally toned it down. He

1699
01:20:30,280 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 9: was very methodical. But I'm never gonna pick against Chaos

1700
01:20:34,400 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 9: Williams to I find somebody that knocks him out. There's

1701
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 9: something about him that, in my opinion, is like the

1702
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 9: Barvinvatories and the Kevin Hollins and jamaiavs. These guys are

1703
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:46,960
Speaker 9: just fucking built different. They're built for war. They go

1704
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:49,800
Speaker 9: in there, they literally like Israel Alda Sonya, I will

1705
01:20:49,840 --> 01:20:52,520
Speaker 9: die in there, and these guys are just the confidence

1706
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,760
Speaker 9: is just like we don't evened to get into Kevin

1707
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:56,720
Speaker 9: Holland unless you let me do this later because I'm

1708
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 9: still going insane over that whole situation. But I think

1709
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:01,920
Speaker 9: we another guy in Cass Williams, that's like that. I

1710
01:21:01,960 --> 01:21:04,960
Speaker 9: am surprised we're seeing two guys with this kind of

1711
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:08,400
Speaker 9: hype and prospect star power meeting this early in their careers.

1712
01:21:08,560 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 9: Usually we save this, you know, people talked about like

1713
01:21:11,200 --> 01:21:13,720
Speaker 9: the widening rock Hold Fight waiting and waiting because they

1714
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:15,519
Speaker 9: were the two guys in that division for a while.

1715
01:21:15,560 --> 01:21:17,960
Speaker 9: And you have two guys that are hurting people, that

1716
01:21:18,040 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 9: are very unique, and we're doing this now, and we're

1717
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 9: doing this earl early in the career. I'm gonna and

1718
01:21:24,040 --> 01:21:26,519
Speaker 9: I'm surprised there's even an underdog. I would have thought,

1719
01:21:26,560 --> 01:21:28,479
Speaker 9: like even money across the board because we also don't

1720
01:21:28,560 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 9: know a lot about chaos fight and so quick. But

1721
01:21:32,280 --> 01:21:35,240
Speaker 9: I'm not messing with him. He's violent. I like it.

1722
01:21:35,320 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 9: Give me chaos. I want that chaos.

1723
01:21:37,160 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 5: I agree, though Williams, Vittory, Holland, Otto Sonia Gangsters that

1724
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:44,960
Speaker 5: I would not walk to the window to bet against Cheeto.

1725
01:21:45,120 --> 01:21:47,080
Speaker 5: Vera is another guy who I would actually put on

1726
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:49,040
Speaker 5: that list, who we will get to shortly. I do

1727
01:21:49,160 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 5: have some disappointing news for you on Kevin Hollandy. And

1728
01:21:51,560 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 5: before I get to Ken Flow's pick, he does not

1729
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:54,599
Speaker 5: run his own Twitter.

1730
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:55,600
Speaker 9: I knew it.

1731
01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,640
Speaker 6: I knew, ah, I knew.

1732
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,400
Speaker 5: I know you were hoping that you're re Remember the

1733
01:22:00,439 --> 01:22:02,759
Speaker 5: show debut was going to be you versus Kevin Holland.

1734
01:22:02,800 --> 01:22:04,600
Speaker 5: But he doesn't run his own Twitter. He told us that,

1735
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 5: But we got to get kem Flo's pick.

1736
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 6: What would he got?

1737
01:22:07,800 --> 01:22:12,559
Speaker 9: That was so embarrassing? No, that was really I haven't

1738
01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,600
Speaker 9: said a lot of shit too. He said something the

1739
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 9: Ballall like.

1740
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 6: No, he didn't.

1741
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:17,800
Speaker 7: It was no, no, no, no, no no.

1742
01:22:18,080 --> 01:22:21,400
Speaker 9: Well now I know Blall said something to set it up,

1743
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 9: and the guy responded, if it quacks like in duc,

1744
01:22:24,200 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 9: I'll smack them duck. So I said, oh, the trailer

1745
01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,080
Speaker 9: like Holland doesn't want to smoke, and he was responding

1746
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 9: to me, and I said to Ballall, this is really

1747
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:33,120
Speaker 9: weird if this is someone else running his account, and

1748
01:22:33,439 --> 01:22:36,000
Speaker 9: I've been getting catfished by Kevin Holland's manager. This is

1749
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,760
Speaker 9: really strange and embarrassing.

1750
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:40,759
Speaker 5: But a want a bonus free submission of zellmy Media

1751
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:44,479
Speaker 5: in September. Nice way, I thought to distance himself from

1752
01:22:44,479 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 5: that Diego Sanchez disqualification. What are your thoughts on Poday

1753
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 5: to matching up with Chaos Williams.

1754
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:53,160
Speaker 6: I will say this, I agree with Ian.

1755
01:22:53,320 --> 01:22:55,759
Speaker 7: I'm a little surprised that they're putting both these guys

1756
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:57,920
Speaker 7: at this stage of their careers, and I think for

1757
01:22:58,120 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 7: where they're at at this stage of the career, this

1758
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:03,479
Speaker 7: is a very juicy fight. Man. I think that Pereira,

1759
01:23:03,680 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 7: from what we've seen, because Chaos hasn't given as a

1760
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:06,479
Speaker 7: whole lot.

1761
01:23:06,600 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 6: He knocks his guys out under a minute.

1762
01:23:08,479 --> 01:23:12,479
Speaker 7: So I think that what we've seen uh Paeda is

1763
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 7: a guy who uh has more craft. He's a little

1764
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:18,479
Speaker 7: trickier when he has settled down. I think he's gonna

1765
01:23:18,520 --> 01:23:21,360
Speaker 7: be a guy who's extremely difficult to beat. He's huge

1766
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:26,679
Speaker 7: for the division, But does he have that Chaos Williams

1767
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:27,400
Speaker 7: kind of power.

1768
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:29,880
Speaker 6: Not from what we've seen, not yet.

1769
01:23:29,960 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 7: So here's the thing Chaos is, He's gonna find a

1770
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,639
Speaker 7: way to touch him. He's gonna find a way to

1771
01:23:35,640 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 7: touch him most likely at some point. I think if

1772
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 7: he does do that, he'll probably get the knockout Padada.

1773
01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 7: Sometimes if he doesn't stay disciplined, you know, make some

1774
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,559
Speaker 7: big mistakes, and if you allow someone like Cass Williams

1775
01:23:50,600 --> 01:23:53,600
Speaker 7: to touch you like that, it's gonna be bad. I

1776
01:23:53,640 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 7: think Padata, from what we've seen, is the better fighter

1777
01:23:56,640 --> 01:23:58,960
Speaker 7: as far as overall skills. He gives you more looks

1778
01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:02,400
Speaker 7: and all that stuff. But I guess I'm gonna go

1779
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:03,559
Speaker 7: with chaos here as well.

1780
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:06,680
Speaker 5: I'm excited to be home on my couch. Sober is

1781
01:24:06,720 --> 01:24:08,719
Speaker 5: a good one, by the way, watching that.

1782
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:09,080
Speaker 7: One, all right?

1783
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,679
Speaker 5: Co main event, we'll need the round and the method

1784
01:24:11,720 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 5: of victory here, Ip future Hall of Famer Jose Aldemanus

1785
01:24:14,479 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 5: won sixty five Marlin Chizzo Vera plus one forty five.

1786
01:24:18,560 --> 01:24:20,360
Speaker 5: A lot of fighters that I have talked to at

1787
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:24,360
Speaker 5: least four lean Aldo here. I don't know how you

1788
01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:26,080
Speaker 5: go to the window and fade Cheeto Vera in this

1789
01:24:26,160 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 5: current form, me in Parker should be riding a seven

1790
01:24:28,520 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 5: fight winning streak if they didn't take away the song

1791
01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:34,679
Speaker 5: Ye Dong one disciplined twenty four to seven three sixty five.

1792
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 5: What do you think about Cheeto here against the King

1793
01:24:36,960 --> 01:24:37,799
Speaker 5: of Rio Dejaneira.

1794
01:24:40,200 --> 01:24:42,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean Chido hasn't been as dominant as those

1795
01:24:42,880 --> 01:24:44,759
Speaker 9: other guys that we talked about, but he is built

1796
01:24:44,800 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 9: different also with that mentality, that at war spirit. You know,

1797
01:24:48,920 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 9: it's hard with Aldo right now because you know, he's

1798
01:24:52,680 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 9: looked pretty good in his last fight. You know, it

1799
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:56,240
Speaker 9: looks like the wait cut's been working for him, that

1800
01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:58,839
Speaker 9: he's doing all right. But I think Cheto as an underdog.

1801
01:24:58,880 --> 01:25:00,720
Speaker 9: I was a little surprised he was this heavy of

1802
01:25:00,760 --> 01:25:03,280
Speaker 9: an underdog, you know, not that heavy, but heavy enough.

1803
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,360
Speaker 9: And I think that fight doing what he did to

1804
01:25:05,400 --> 01:25:08,200
Speaker 9: O'Malley whenever one counted him out, except I thinking we

1805
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:09,040
Speaker 9: picked Cheeto.

1806
01:25:09,400 --> 01:25:09,600
Speaker 8: You know.

1807
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,000
Speaker 9: I just think this is such a huge opportunity for

1808
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,920
Speaker 9: him and I don't see him as one to waste it.

1809
01:25:13,960 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 9: And this style. We know this fight's not going to

1810
01:25:16,520 --> 01:25:20,240
Speaker 9: the ground. I'm gonna ride the Cheeto bandwagon here. It's

1811
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 9: a three round fight. I'm gonna say decision. I don't

1812
01:25:23,080 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 9: love that prop, but I will I will go that way.

1813
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 8: For the moment.

1814
01:25:26,360 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 5: Kenny Jose Aldo seems to have settled in at one

1815
01:25:28,840 --> 01:25:30,800
Speaker 5: hundred and thirty five pounds last fight, of course, for

1816
01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:34,280
Speaker 5: the vacant title against Pyotr Jan. Some of our listeners

1817
01:25:34,280 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 5: may not know Ken Flow went twenty five minutes with

1818
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 5: Jose Aldo back in twenty eleven. In this stretch, he's

1819
01:25:40,840 --> 01:25:43,679
Speaker 5: lost three straight after that big win over Hanato moy Kano.

1820
01:25:44,080 --> 01:25:46,200
Speaker 5: What do you think about Aldo here against the oncoming

1821
01:25:46,240 --> 01:25:47,080
Speaker 5: force Cheeto Vera.

1822
01:25:47,800 --> 01:25:51,839
Speaker 7: This is an interesting fight, and if I were Cheato Vera,

1823
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,000
Speaker 7: this would be the time to fight someone like Jose Aldo. Who.

1824
01:25:55,040 --> 01:25:57,800
Speaker 7: I think that at this stage he's got to be

1825
01:25:57,840 --> 01:26:00,720
Speaker 7: asking himself, you know what division should I be in?

1826
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,639
Speaker 7: Am I gonna get another shot at the belt? And

1827
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:10,000
Speaker 7: perhaps we can start to question what his motivation is

1828
01:26:10,080 --> 01:26:13,280
Speaker 7: like a little bit. I don't know, maybe, but I

1829
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 7: think the fact that Cheeto Vera is gonna be a

1830
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,439
Speaker 7: guy who's not gonna go away easy. I think that

1831
01:26:20,280 --> 01:26:23,160
Speaker 7: his reach, his ability to be effective in the clinch

1832
01:26:23,200 --> 01:26:27,400
Speaker 7: could be a factor. I think Jose Aldo early on

1833
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:29,760
Speaker 7: is gonna be a handful, There's no question about it.

1834
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,920
Speaker 7: The fact that this is a three round fight. I

1835
01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 7: also think favors Jose. I'm gonna go with Aldo here.

1836
01:26:37,680 --> 01:26:39,519
Speaker 7: I am gonna go with Aldo here. I think the

1837
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 7: fact that, you know, at least if he can start

1838
01:26:42,280 --> 01:26:44,519
Speaker 7: off really well, which I think can kind of affect

1839
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:46,920
Speaker 7: Cheeto a little bit. Cheeto does. Cheeto tends to get

1840
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:49,000
Speaker 7: stronger as the fight goes on. But the fact that

1841
01:26:49,040 --> 01:26:51,120
Speaker 7: this isn't a twenty five minute fight, I think hurts

1842
01:26:51,160 --> 01:26:54,200
Speaker 7: him a little bit. I think Jose does enough to

1843
01:26:54,200 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 7: get a decision win here.

1844
01:26:55,960 --> 01:26:57,960
Speaker 5: All right, ken Fel likes Jose Alto and we will

1845
01:26:57,960 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 5: go right back to you on the main event is

1846
01:27:00,200 --> 01:27:02,479
Speaker 5: a huge fight boys in the welterweight division.

1847
01:27:02,760 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 6: Steven wonder Boy.

1848
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,200
Speaker 5: Thompson minus one twenty five Jeff hands of Steele Neil

1849
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 5: plus one oh five Thompson's just a brutal matchup.

1850
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:12,879
Speaker 6: I think for almost anyone in this division.

1851
01:27:13,479 --> 01:27:16,599
Speaker 5: Many though canny fancy Jeff Neil is a future UFC champion,

1852
01:27:16,720 --> 01:27:19,439
Speaker 5: sled underdog price on him here how to he handicap

1853
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,200
Speaker 5: his chances in his first UFC man event.

1854
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:25,960
Speaker 7: I think Jeff Neil is mister consistency. I think he's

1855
01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:28,800
Speaker 7: a guy who's always gonna come up to you know,

1856
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:33,040
Speaker 7: show up to fight and come forward and definitely has

1857
01:27:33,080 --> 01:27:36,920
Speaker 7: some decent power, and he's tough man. He's got a

1858
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:42,720
Speaker 7: good chin, but I don't think there's many people like

1859
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:47,920
Speaker 7: Steven WonderBoy Thompson, and finding a person who can move

1860
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:52,400
Speaker 7: like him is going to be extremely difficult. I think

1861
01:27:52,439 --> 01:27:58,120
Speaker 7: wonder Boy, if he starts off well, I think it's

1862
01:27:58,160 --> 01:28:01,120
Speaker 7: gonna be hard for for or someone like Jeff Neil

1863
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 7: to find his rhythm against someone like wonder Boy. I

1864
01:28:03,240 --> 01:28:06,559
Speaker 7: think wonder Boy will only get stronger. I think as

1865
01:28:06,600 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 7: the fight goes on, and I like wonder Boy, He's

1866
01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:13,439
Speaker 7: for me, has been one of the best strikers I've

1867
01:28:13,479 --> 01:28:17,320
Speaker 7: ever seen perform inside the octagon. I think WonderBoy wins this,

1868
01:28:18,160 --> 01:28:21,240
Speaker 7: most likely by knockout in round three.

1869
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:25,080
Speaker 5: Not a lot of people burning up Sean Shelby's phone

1870
01:28:25,240 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 5: looking to fight Jeff Neil, so he has to fight

1871
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,479
Speaker 5: a guy in WonderBoy, who I think ian might be

1872
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:31,719
Speaker 5: the toughest matchup for him in the top ten. Jeff

1873
01:28:31,720 --> 01:28:33,640
Speaker 5: Neil's won seven in a row, I believe, dating to

1874
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:35,760
Speaker 5: a regional loss to Kevin Holland. He's five to zero

1875
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 5: in the UFC SO Thompson Championship Experience twice competed for

1876
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 5: the belt twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. He's only fought four

1877
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:47,519
Speaker 5: times since, but the last win ian against Vicente Luke

1878
01:28:47,720 --> 01:28:50,120
Speaker 5: at UFC two forty four last November. I thought was

1879
01:28:50,160 --> 01:28:53,439
Speaker 5: just outstanding. So that's my lasting visual. But I love

1880
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:55,559
Speaker 5: me some safe saut. I love me some Jeff Neil.

1881
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,720
Speaker 5: I'm not wearing this shirt for any particular reason, but

1882
01:28:57,760 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 5: what do you think about the main event?

1883
01:28:59,000 --> 01:28:59,800
Speaker 6: And who do you have?

1884
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:03,360
Speaker 9: Yeah, listen, I love that team with safe Site over

1885
01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:05,040
Speaker 9: there too. He's done a phenomenal job of a lot

1886
01:29:05,120 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 9: of these guys. I just think that for Jeff Neil,

1887
01:29:07,439 --> 01:29:09,960
Speaker 9: this is too much too soon, you know. I think

1888
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 9: people really oh man, you want to talk about captain consistency.

1889
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:17,080
Speaker 9: I think wonder Boy has continuously improved his overall game.

1890
01:29:17,120 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 5: Listen.

1891
01:29:17,360 --> 01:29:19,120
Speaker 9: If this guy can keep the fight standing, not too

1892
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,080
Speaker 9: many guys can strike with him, you know. And he

1893
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,720
Speaker 9: looks so his power is so unassuming, and then he

1894
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 9: lands it against Luke. He looked phenomenal, and people were

1895
01:29:27,439 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 9: questioning hout in that gap as well for him.

1896
01:29:30,120 --> 01:29:30,320
Speaker 8: You know.

1897
01:29:30,479 --> 01:29:32,240
Speaker 9: I just think for Jeff Neil, if he doesn't land

1898
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 9: that early knockout, he's in for a long night's getting

1899
01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:37,479
Speaker 9: picked apart. I don't know if Wonder Boy finishes him.

1900
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:38,800
Speaker 9: I don't know if Neil has the card, you have

1901
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,719
Speaker 9: to go five rounds. I'm very distracted right now. Keeddy's laughing.

1902
01:29:41,800 --> 01:29:43,720
Speaker 9: It's like he's waiting on to say something. Did I

1903
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:46,240
Speaker 9: fuck up someone's name that bad? Because you called Pajeda

1904
01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:49,679
Speaker 9: Pereira before and no one said shit? And I held

1905
01:29:49,720 --> 01:29:51,880
Speaker 9: that back. So go ahead, just just eat me up

1906
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 9: right now before I finish this, fucking said, I'm going

1907
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 9: to take wonder Boy by decision, but I can't stop

1908
01:29:56,200 --> 01:29:58,280
Speaker 9: because You're laughing at me, and Cody's flexing at me,

1909
01:29:58,320 --> 01:29:59,200
Speaker 9: and I don't know what.

1910
01:30:01,200 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 6: And I'm faded.

1911
01:30:02,479 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know what's going on at this Well,

1912
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:07,880
Speaker 5: I do know I shouldn't have worn my I do

1913
01:30:08,000 --> 01:30:09,560
Speaker 5: know I shouldn't have worn my four to seven A

1914
01:30:09,720 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 5: T shirt on this of all shows.

1915
01:30:11,439 --> 01:30:12,040
Speaker 6: But it kind of.

1916
01:30:13,720 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 8: All right.

1917
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,760
Speaker 5: Well, we'll see where that Wonder Boy Jeff Neil line

1918
01:30:16,880 --> 01:30:18,679
Speaker 5: ends up on fight Night. You can watch that show

1919
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 5: on ESPN plus. Ian Parker, great job picking fights this year.

1920
01:30:22,920 --> 01:30:25,600
Speaker 5: You have just made your final selection in the twenty

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Speaker 5: twenty main event challenge. Are you going to enjoy having

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Speaker 5: a few weeks off? I know you watch the regional

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Speaker 5: shows as well. But are you gonna enjoy having a

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Speaker 5: few weeks off and not having to dive into these

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Speaker 5: picks or do you think after a week you're going

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Speaker 5: to be jones to get back on the horse.

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Speaker 9: I'm gonna be I'm just gonna sleep in your backyard

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Speaker 9: and just ask to talk to you, so at least

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Speaker 9: we pretend like we're doing the show. No, I listen.

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Speaker 9: I love doing this. I love competing against Kenny. I

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Speaker 9: love getting kicked on like a little brother. It's a

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Speaker 9: lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 9: Look, there's a lot of podcasting shows out there that

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Speaker 9: do the same shit over and over again.

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Speaker 8: They're enjoyable.

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Speaker 9: I enjoy the chemistry that we all have, and I

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Speaker 9: think it's a lot of fun. And then I think

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Speaker 9: the personality is here, mesh really well, and the competition

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Speaker 9: part kind of just brings a little extra funk to it,

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Speaker 9: you know. And you know, eventually Kenny will follow me organically.

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Speaker 9: I'm hoping not perforcing through punishment, but because I'm gonna

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Speaker 9: come up with something way worse than fucking follow.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I was gonna say the punishment can't be a click.

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Speaker 9: Of course, it's not gonna be a fucking click. How

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Speaker 9: long do you know Meia?

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Speaker 5: When we look forward to that, I kind of look

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Speaker 5: forward to you in my backyard. I'm more excited to

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Speaker 5: just go see my kids after two weeks at this

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Speaker 5: year Courtyard by Marriott. But we got to get on

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Speaker 5: out of here. Our executive producer is Cody Merrow. Thank

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Speaker 5: you to our guest Ray Longo and Ian Parker. So

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Speaker 5: next week we will recap UFC Fight Night Thompson versus Neil.

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Speaker 5: We will also get you details on the sixth annual

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Speaker 5: Anak and Florian Podcast Awards. Those will take place either Sunday,

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Speaker 5: January third or Monday, January fourth, but a lot of

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Speaker 5: hardware from Ken Flow to be handed out. We'll get

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Speaker 5: that to you in a couple of weeks. With that

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Speaker 5: for Ken Flow and the rest, John and am saying

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Speaker 5: so long for now. Thanks for watching, listen and tell

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Speaker 5: your buddy please subscribe right hit that like button. I

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Speaker 5: guess that helps too. Talk next Sunday.

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Speaker 7: You're later. M