WEBVTT - 12: The Tide Turns 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:15.280 Yeah novel. A listener note this episode contains violence and 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:19.319 content that some listeners might find distressing, including references to 0:00:19.400 --> 0:00:29.280 child abuse. Previously on Deliver Us from Hervill. I think 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.400 by the time Hervill had died, I knew it really 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:36.360 wasn't over, because with such an unstable group founded on 0:00:36.479 --> 0:00:40.120 such erroneous principles, you never really know what to expect. 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.720 I'm Gabrielle Little Baron and my father is irvil LeBaron. 0:00:45.159 --> 0:00:47.560 This is the book of the New Covenant. It's a 0:00:47.640 --> 0:00:51.600 manifesto of irvil LeBaron. We had to be prepared to 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.080 kill the people we loved the most. That was the 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.240 only way to save their souls. They would be thankful 0:00:56.240 --> 0:00:58.440 to us in the end, because otherwise they would go 0:00:58.600 --> 0:01:02.120 to Hell forever of our cowardice. Murder was sort of 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:07.039 a natural thing with these faults. Dan goes off to 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:12.560 do his business, drops his drawers, and two people walk 0:01:12.680 --> 0:01:16.200 up and shoot in their head in the chest with 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:20.560 the nine millimeter weapon. Here's a murder, and UH just 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.960 can't come up with anything. That's very frustrating. My name 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:29.800 is Lucy. I was married to doing Shinas. He said 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.680 to me that you know, past is past, when something 0:01:34.000 --> 0:01:36.039 very serious is going on, we would do those kind 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:39.200 of heavy loaded prayers. So that was the spirit that 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:41.959 we were in in b f A in support of 0:01:42.000 --> 0:01:46.240 the four o'clock murders happening in the States. I never 0:01:46.280 --> 0:01:50.080 could believe that somebody would actually target a little girl 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.160 like that. To me, it was just surreal. It's like, no, 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:58.480 this is gonna be true. How can this happen? Who 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:02.720 did it and why? We got kind of a description, 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:05.320 you know, it was a guy in a suit with 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.760 a beard, which really didn't tell us a whole lot. 0:02:10.240 --> 0:02:12.799 I understand what it's like to live in a terrorist organization. 0:02:13.720 --> 0:02:17.359 I understand how mothers who strapped bombs to their children feel. 0:02:18.240 --> 0:02:29.639 You know, it's the most horrific thing you can imagine. 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:35.120 The choreographed killings of Eddie Marston, Mark Chinov, Dwayne Nath 0:02:35.280 --> 0:02:38.400 and his eight year old daughter Jenny quickly made national 0:02:38.440 --> 0:02:42.720 news in the summer, and it didn't take police long 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:46.840 to figure out they were all connected. In fact, Detective 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:51.360 John Burmeister hadn't even returned from Rena Street, the crime 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.200 scene of Dwayne and Jenny's murder. By the time we 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:58.040 got back. Everybody knew that this was something that was 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:02.200 caused by a riff found the medalist woman. That was 0:03:02.240 --> 0:03:04.200 already going on in the office. By the time we 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:08.200 got back, a cop investigating the killing of Eddie Marston 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:11.600 had seen the name irvil LeBaron in Eddie's case file 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.160 and the details of a detective named Dick Forbes. He 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:19.200 gave the detective a call, and Dick started telling him 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:23.880 what he knew, which obviously was quite a lot. Dick 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:26.919 also told the investigating cops they need to brush up 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:30.360 on their religious history. I think everybody involved in Investigator 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:33.679 picked up books and started reading upon it. And the 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:36.560 actual early history of the moment was that was a 0:03:36.680 --> 0:03:42.840 pretty bloody, violent stuff. The cops weren't just learning about 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:46.800 early Mormonism and the doctrine of blood atonement. They were 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:51.560 learning about rvil Lbaron's cult, the murder of his brother Joel, 0:03:52.080 --> 0:03:56.080 the massacre at Los Molinos, the killing of Rulin Alread, 0:03:56.120 --> 0:04:01.480 and all the others, so many crimes, so many of 0:04:01.520 --> 0:04:09.000 them still open cases. Detective Burmeister realized their investigation in 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:13.360 Texas was actually part of a much larger story, an 0:04:13.400 --> 0:04:18.440 incredibly bloody and dark one, a hunt that had begun 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:22.440 in the seventies and was about to enter a completely 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:27.960 new level of intensity, primarily because of the murder. Detective 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:32.359 Burmeister had just caught one of the victims, Jenny Channath, 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:38.479 the kid unconnected to the cult. Her death had created 0:04:38.520 --> 0:04:44.719 the Jenny Task Force. Detective Burmeister was now joining cops 0:04:44.760 --> 0:04:49.160 like Steve Otechie and prosecutors like David Schwinderman ramping up 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.240 a federal investigation that started in the wake of Dan 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.400 Jordan's killing that's still unsolved, murder on the Hunting Trip 0:04:56.440 --> 0:05:01.720 in The Jenny Task for was an investigation that would 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:06.920 reach out across America law enforcement agencies, sharing resources and 0:05:07.000 --> 0:05:10.960 intelligence to track this new generation of the hervill La 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:19.560 Baron Coult the Kingdom of God k o G. Just 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:22.159 a few days after the four o'clock murders in July, 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.599 the Jenny Task Force met up. We all got together 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:30.120 in Salt Lake, Salt Lake City, Utah. It made sense 0:05:30.120 --> 0:05:32.000 to do in Salt Lake because that was kind of 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.240 the heart of all of it, the headquarters of the 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:38.200 Mormon Church and the spiritual home to most Mormon fundamentalists, 0:05:38.240 --> 0:05:42.120 including the Labarns. It was also the home of Dave Swenderman, 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.800 the federal prosecutor in the U. S. Attorney's Office who 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.600 had been involved in the Labarren case ever since Dan 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:52.719 Jordan was murdered. Swendeman told the team assembled in Utah 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:56.960 some chilling details from his case files how this latest 0:05:57.000 --> 0:06:00.440 generation of the Colt was carrying out vengeance Rville had 0:06:00.520 --> 0:06:03.400 ordered before his death in a book called the Book 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:07.560 of the New Covenant, a scripture for the family, something 0:06:07.600 --> 0:06:11.680 that dictates to them how life should be. If you 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.599 know how to read it and you have somebody in 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:17.280 the family helping you interpret the book, you can find 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:20.520 the hit list in the book who's to die, Who's 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:24.279 not to die, Which meant even with these latest tragedies 0:06:24.279 --> 0:06:28.080 in Houston and Dallas, the cult wasn't done. There's a 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:31.040 hard core of these kids, they're a little bit older 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:36.000 that are converted really into full on believers. They know 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:39.520 nothing else. They were raised in this environment and our 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:43.680 practiced killers. They know how to assimilar disassemble firearms, their 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:50.039 practiced liars, their practice forgers. They're extraordinarily good at evading 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:54.400 police detection. I mean, they're killing anybody that was a 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:58.560 potential threat, and they were doing away with them, each other, 0:06:59.400 --> 0:07:06.480 family and they weren't ever being held to account. Dave 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:10.400 set two goals for the task force. Number one, stop 0:07:10.440 --> 0:07:16.160 the killings, Arrest and prosecute the Kog's assassin's Number two, 0:07:16.400 --> 0:07:20.240 break the cycle. Find and locate as many of Hervilabarans 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:24.000 children as possible, get them into stable homes. To stop 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.480 the spread of the colts twisted dogma of blood atonement 0:07:27.800 --> 0:07:32.320 passing through future generations. Dave knew that for many of 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:36.000 the assembled cops this case would be different than any 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.560 they had worked or likely would ever work again, in 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:43.440 its scale and its intricacy, the mix of crime and 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.080 religious doctrine. I said, I know this is complicated, but 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:51.320 it is complicated. It's hugely complicated lives and this hugely 0:07:51.320 --> 0:07:56.600 complicated family that lived by crime, existing on the edge 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.280 and just about every way you can think of, but 0:07:59.400 --> 0:08:01.840 also doing a lot of it so they could prosecute 0:08:01.840 --> 0:08:05.920 these murders. David told all this to the assembled team, 0:08:05.960 --> 0:08:10.040 including John Burmeister and the other Texas cops. These are 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:14.680 hardcore Houston homicide detectives who had not seen something like this, 0:08:15.600 --> 0:08:18.320 and it really struck him. It shook them to the bone. 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:23.520 We then started looking at everything. Detective Burmeister and the 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:26.160 team got to work. We've studied up on what happened 0:08:26.160 --> 0:08:28.000 in other places and what the motives to Opper and 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.520 was how they did it, and they put a lot 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:34.600 of thought into what they were doing with these latest 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:38.480 Texas killings. There was evidence to process, potential new clues 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:43.280 and possible witnesses. In fact, one had already come forward 0:08:44.240 --> 0:08:47.240 a witness to the immediate aftermath of the murder of 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:50.840 Dwayne and Little Jenny, someone who was pretty sure they 0:08:50.840 --> 0:08:54.680 had seen the assassins. As they drove away. They told 0:08:54.720 --> 0:08:58.040 Detective Burmeister what they'd seen. There was one person in 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.560 the car other than the person that got back into it, 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:06.120 so there were two people president the scene and the shooter. 0:09:06.920 --> 0:09:09.920 I was wearing a suit, a dark suit, and I 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:15.920 had a beard. That's about it. Beard, short hair, dark suit, 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:21.080 Just a general outline. It wasn't much, but it was 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:25.680 a start, and the next leads for the Jenny Task 0:09:25.760 --> 0:09:38.120 Force weren't far behind from the team's at Novel and 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:43.560 I Heart Radio. This is deliver Us from Herbal episode twelve. 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:56.120 The Tide turns. Shortly after midnight on July, Detectives John 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:59.640 Burmeister and Dick Forbes. We're sitting in a conference room 0:09:59.720 --> 0:10:03.199 at a police station in Phoenix, Arizona, and they were 0:10:03.200 --> 0:10:09.520 feeling pretty good. The investigation into hervill Abarn's colt hadn't 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.160 had many lucky breaks since it began in the nineteen seventies, 0:10:14.040 --> 0:10:17.719 but these two experienced lawmen couldn't dispute that they had one, 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:23.400 now more than one. In fact, in front of them 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.880 on the table were several piles of bagged evidence and 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:32.600 some mug shots suspects they were increasingly convinced were involved 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:37.559 in the four o'clock murders. Crucially, these were suspects who 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.640 were at this very moment in custody in the same 0:10:41.720 --> 0:10:46.599 police station where they now sat, albeit for crimes unconnected 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:50.040 to the four o'clock murders. It had all begun less 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:57.199 than two weeks before. On the first of July, a 0:10:57.280 --> 0:11:01.160 police officer was cruising along Black can And Road in Phoenix. 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.720 He pulled into a parking lot of a place called 0:11:04.720 --> 0:11:08.760 the King's Inn Hotel, right off the interstate, a popular 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:14.840 spot with car thieves. They're in the lot, a seven 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:19.240 black Chevy Silverado pickup with Texas plates sat shining in 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:23.760 the Arizona sun. Something about it caught the cops attention, 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:29.800 and when he radioed in the license plate BINGO the 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:34.200 truck had been stolen in Texas just days before. The 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.840 cops approached. The clerk at the King's in front desk. 0:11:38.440 --> 0:11:41.199 Had he seen any guests that stuck out him recently 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.720 long shot and a cheap motel, but the cop was 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:49.120 in luck. Some guests had caught the clerk's eye. The 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:52.520 motel operator was kind of suspicious because you've got all 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.360 these kids that are about the same age, But it 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:59.120 was just something wrong about this group of kids that 0:11:59.200 --> 0:12:03.360 all come together. They were all well, clean cut, well 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:07.080 mannered in this rundown part of town that was noticeable. 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.679 The clerk said. The driver of the Chevy Silverado had 0:12:13.679 --> 0:12:17.640 rented two rooms. Six people were staying with her at 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:21.439 the hotel. When cops raided the hotel rooms, they found 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:25.400 two spiral notebooks, a list of names, a chordless drill, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:30.520 ignition switches, and black silicone, the tools of car thieves, 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:35.320 plus some other stuff, a bunch of evidence that nobody 0:12:35.360 --> 0:12:39.400 knew made any difference or sense to anybody at the time. 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:44.720 Sensing they might have stumbled upon an international carjacking ring, 0:12:45.480 --> 0:12:49.600 they bagged a lot. The local cops thought they were 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:54.640 about to make a big headline generating bust, but when 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:57.280 they swooped up the guests in the King's In hotel 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.160 and charged them, they had no idea what they'd really 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.800 just stumbled upon. Just days after the four o'clock murders, 0:13:06.559 --> 0:13:09.960 most of the assassins caught on their way home to Mexico. 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:17.719 The cops might have never known all this if it 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:21.679 wasn't for the fake ideas the gang we're using. Up 0:13:21.760 --> 0:13:24.680 until now, fake aliases had been one of the colt's 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:29.600 main tools in successfully avoiding detection by law enforcement. In 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:33.160 episode eight, Gabriella told me about how the cult created 0:13:33.200 --> 0:13:36.800 new versions of themselves whenever they moved to a new place. 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:40.839 They were able to create official looking documents to match 0:13:41.000 --> 0:13:45.400 these imagined new personas, mainly thanks to that cult member 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:50.640 called Linda Johnson. Linda was a master Forarder. Yeah, she 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:54.240 was good to bar certificates take her five minutes to make. 0:13:55.360 --> 0:13:58.360 In the seventies and eighties, cops didn't have access to 0:13:58.520 --> 0:14:04.120 nationwide linked computer systems or DNA databases, so whenever a 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:08.080 cult member was arrested, their fresh identity made it look 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:11.960 like a first offense. Hardest parts about track in this family. 0:14:12.200 --> 0:14:14.439 They all these birth certificates and different names. They have 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.959 the aliases at the Kazoo, and once a cult member 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:21.480 had posted bail under a fake name, they had simply 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.440 skipped down before they had been linked to other lives 0:14:24.560 --> 0:14:29.040 and crimes. It's what Hebrew had done following the disastrous 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:34.760 bank robbery back in six But in the summer of Phoenix, 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:40.200 the Kog's assassin's mistake had been to reuse their aliases 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.120 because the Jenny Task Force had checked all the hotels 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:51.520 in Texas and found some familiar names. When you go 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:53.560 into hotel, you check in with your driving a classes 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:56.240 member name, and then we started figuring out who was 0:14:56.680 --> 0:14:59.800 here and used by two different names that they used, 0:14:59.800 --> 0:15:02.680 but the hotels matching them up with the drivers that 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:07.320 they were using, and those same fake aliases were being 0:15:07.440 --> 0:15:11.520 used here in Phoenix, Arizona. So once the Jenny Task 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:15.680 Force knew that they had their suspects, those mug shots 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:17.960 they were now sitting in front of in the Phoenix 0:15:17.960 --> 0:15:21.680 police station, and then there was the bagged evidence in 0:15:21.720 --> 0:15:25.160 front of them, part of that King's Inn hotel room hall. 0:15:26.400 --> 0:15:28.920 I have the police report from that initial bust, and 0:15:28.960 --> 0:15:32.640 it lists these items as a false beard, a false mustache, 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:39.920 empty shoulder holsters, tourists, thirty eight revolver speedloaders, street guides, maps, 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:45.160 a list of Texas police scanner frequencies. And then amazingly, 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:52.760 they found some newspapers that the kids had collected after 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.080 they had committed the murders in Texas and brought with them. 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:57.920 As soon as they committed the murders, they went and 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.280 bought all the newspapers and went to the hook Telling 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.080 Texas and read about what they've done, and then they 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:08.280 packed up and came to Arizona. For Detective Burnmeister, this 0:16:08.440 --> 0:16:12.520 evidence Hall definitely brought into question some of the hyperbole 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.480 he'd heard from the other cops on this group being 0:16:15.560 --> 0:16:20.760 sophisticated and methodical assassins. Some of the stuff that they did, 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:24.320 you know, having all that stuff in the car, it's dumb, 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:30.000 you know, I mean that's and keeping the suits is dumb, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.240 and keeping the beards it's dumb. And actually they didn't 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:37.000 do a very good job at disposing of the weapons either. 0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:40.160 The evidence seemed like a gold mine that could crack 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:44.000 the whole investigation wide open. When the cops left that 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.080 Phoenix conference room to go and talk to their suspects, 0:16:47.720 --> 0:16:50.400 they must have felt like the dominoes were about to fall, 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:55.280 but in the coming weeks they'd crash against a familiar barrier, 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:01.000 the same barriers every cop looking into the herbal La 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:10.399 Baron Colt had faced. No one would talk, thanks to 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.200 the hall from the King's Inn, the beards and wigs, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:17.439 and newspapers documenting the crime. They had evidence connecting the 0:17:17.520 --> 0:17:21.359 Labarrens to the four o'clock murder, but they still didn't 0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:25.200 know exactly what had happened that day, who did which hit, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:32.480 and crucially who had killed Jenny. Everyone in custody remained 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:37.240 impenetrable a lifetime of training never to talk to cops. 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:41.080 At one point, the cops thought they were making headway 0:17:41.119 --> 0:17:45.479 with Cynthia. They showed her grizzly photos of Jenny taken 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:52.040 at the crime scene. Cynthia was visibly shaken, but still 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:59.240 she wouldn't say a word. For Utah based investigator Steve Votechi, 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:02.640 these interviews were just as frustrating as the ones he'd 0:18:02.680 --> 0:18:06.200 done with the Labaron kids following Dan Jordan's murder back 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:10.280 in and just like back then, the cops on the 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:15.240 Jenny Task Force started feeling the heat. We could get 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:18.760 intense with each other and you know, just rant and 0:18:18.840 --> 0:18:21.920 rave or whatever, but when it came time to talk 0:18:21.960 --> 0:18:24.040 to a suspect, it had to be cool and calm, 0:18:24.119 --> 0:18:26.920 and it wasn't going to be possible to intimidate any 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:31.040 of them into confessing because they've been intimidated by experts 0:18:31.080 --> 0:18:33.880 in their family for years, and so it could get 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:40.080 pretty intense. Months passed became eighty nine. What had seemed 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:43.760 like exciting new evidence that could bring the whole cult down, 0:18:44.480 --> 0:18:49.560 well that feeling had given way to something else, a feeling. 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:54.639 Homicide detectives like John Burmeister knew all too well a 0:18:54.880 --> 0:19:00.000 case going cold. All we had was just indirect evidence. 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:03.439 Even though those physical events, we couldn't tie it to 0:19:03.480 --> 0:19:07.280 the murder, Even though we had beavers and suits and 0:19:07.320 --> 0:19:09.399 all that. They had no idea who had them all. 0:19:10.440 --> 0:19:13.160 But at least their suspects and custody were going nowhere. 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.240 Because while the Jenny Task Force had been failing to 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:19.840 make progress, the Phoenix p D had moved forward with 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:24.240 their car theft investigation. They didn't need the Kogs cooperation 0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:30.639 to bring charges on that they had airtight evidence. In 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:34.960 August of more than a year after the four o'clock murders, 0:19:35.640 --> 0:19:39.240 five members of the Kyog pled guilty to auto theft charges. 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:44.159 Hebrew and Doug Barlow were sentenced to ten years in prison, 0:19:45.320 --> 0:19:49.280 Cynthia and Tarsa to five years, and Richard, who was 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:52.640 seventeen but was tried as an adult, was given three 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:57.280 and a half years. Those working the Jenny Task Force 0:19:57.440 --> 0:20:00.680 were relieved. Some of the Kog leadership will be hind bars, 0:20:01.680 --> 0:20:06.400 but they didn't have all their suspects Aaron, Natasha and Patricia, 0:20:06.440 --> 0:20:10.720 for example. They were all large. On top of that, 0:20:10.880 --> 0:20:14.919 the car theft sentences would in all likelihood be significantly 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:19.159 reduced for good time. Ten years could be five, five 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:22.919 could be just a few years, and then they'd all 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:29.119 be out and back in Mexico planning more murders. And 0:20:29.240 --> 0:20:33.359 this went against that central aim of Operation Jenny, to 0:20:33.520 --> 0:20:38.600 break the cycle of violence, to stop future generations from 0:20:38.640 --> 0:20:42.639 becoming caught up in this fanatical dogma of killing in 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:46.680 the name of God. They wanted to pull the children 0:20:46.720 --> 0:20:51.119 growing up in the colt away from it, the kids 0:20:51.119 --> 0:20:56.240 who had yet to become killers, kids like Gabriella le Baron, 0:20:58.480 --> 0:21:01.600 who as the eighties turned to the nineties, was far 0:21:01.800 --> 0:21:07.439 from splitting from the Colt's ideology. In fact, she was 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:15.560 becoming more and more extreme. That's coming up after the break. 0:21:23.800 --> 0:21:27.400 When news of the four o'clock murders reached Gabriella LeBaron 0:21:27.600 --> 0:21:30.400 and the rest of the kog at their remote Mexican 0:21:30.480 --> 0:21:37.760 hideout b f A, the cult members were conflicted. On 0:21:37.760 --> 0:21:41.720 one hand, there was a muted rejoicing that God's will 0:21:41.840 --> 0:21:47.280 had been fulfilled. Dwayne and Markina and Eddie Marston had 0:21:47.280 --> 0:21:51.240 marked themselves for death by betraying God's kingdom on Earth. 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.560 They were sons of perdition and as such they had 0:21:56.600 --> 0:21:59.159 to be blood a tone to be saved from an 0:21:59.160 --> 0:22:04.919 eternal health. It was a form of mercy to kill them. 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:09.840 But Jenny, the eight year old girl, she was innocent 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:14.680 killing her cast a Paul over the camp. Then word 0:22:14.720 --> 0:22:17.400 reached the b f A of the arrest in Phoenix, 0:22:18.800 --> 0:22:23.840 and as the months passed it became clear that Hebrew, Doug, Richard, 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:29.720 and Cynthia weren't returning anytime soon. We split into two 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:32.920 different groups. I mean, we didn't split ideologically. Some kids 0:22:32.920 --> 0:22:35.480 went to the States to work and send us money, 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:40.320 and then others were sent to Monterey, Mexico without Hebrew 0:22:40.320 --> 0:22:43.880 and co stealing cars and packing weed for the Mexican mafia. 0:22:44.480 --> 0:22:48.840 The kog needed new sources of cash badly to feed, 0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:53.520 house and clothe the Kingdom of God, so they went legit. 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:56.879 We were getting out of the mafia trade, and we're 0:22:56.880 --> 0:23:00.760 going to go back into selling washers and tryers. Gabriella 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:04.919 was just thirteen years old in n without Hebrew and 0:23:05.000 --> 0:23:07.639 some of the others around to provide muscle and protection. 0:23:08.240 --> 0:23:11.359 Working for the cartels had become too much of a risk. 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.840 The mafia trade became too dangerous and crazy, right, you know, 0:23:15.240 --> 0:23:18.120 Like we had to get out of there, so why 0:23:18.119 --> 0:23:21.040 don't we try something else. They left b f A 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:25.040 and the mafia town of Navajo and moved to Monterey, 0:23:25.240 --> 0:23:27.920 which today is one of the wealthiest cities in Mexico, 0:23:28.760 --> 0:23:33.320 has a reputation for being safe, orderly where you might 0:23:33.400 --> 0:23:37.800 go if you want to become legit. But my experience 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:41.080 in Mexico is money ran dry. We had no more 0:23:41.119 --> 0:23:43.560 money to eat, and we kind of went hungry for 0:23:43.560 --> 0:23:46.800 a while. We were literally just on beans, nothing else, 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:49.879 not even soul and once in a while you can 0:23:49.880 --> 0:23:52.880 have a tortilla, have a tritia. Gabriella and the other 0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:57.280 older kids decided they needed to get jobs. Gabriella spook 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:00.840 fluent Spanish and English, so the eighteen year old cult 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:04.560 member became an English teacher. I put makeup on in 0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.960 high hills and it was terrible. Also ashamed. I was 0:24:09.000 --> 0:24:14.200 a tough person, not this one in makeup and heels. Well, 0:24:14.200 --> 0:24:17.680 I had to do it. Other siblings in Monterrey also 0:24:17.720 --> 0:24:21.520 started teaching, and for really the first time in their lives, 0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:24.919 found they were interacting with the world outside their cult 0:24:25.000 --> 0:24:29.240 in a meaningful way. And then they became exposed. They 0:24:29.280 --> 0:24:34.160 found these older, wiser adults, really good hearted people who 0:24:34.240 --> 0:24:36.879 kind of took them under their wing and just started 0:24:36.920 --> 0:24:40.920 teaching them about the world and offering care and guidance 0:24:42.040 --> 0:24:44.840 and helping them to see. And then a few years 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:47.920 later they were just like, Okay, we're done with this. 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:57.040 All of this is bullshit, So fuck the KG, all 0:24:57.080 --> 0:25:01.520 the hunger, all the terror, all the killing, and now 0:25:01.560 --> 0:25:07.400 they were just done with it all. Gabriella was incredulous. 0:25:08.320 --> 0:25:10.439 I wasn't on board. I was not going to let 0:25:10.440 --> 0:25:13.919 everyone off that easy. She convinced some of her siblings 0:25:13.960 --> 0:25:18.120 to not give up on God on their father's wishes. 0:25:19.240 --> 0:25:22.320 She reminded them that the hardships of the cult were 0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:27.359 a test. What they needed to do was doubled down 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:31.960 on their worship, try harder to reach God. So that's 0:25:31.960 --> 0:25:34.920 what we did, and we all went on something called strike. 0:25:36.440 --> 0:25:40.000 This was the beginning of something Gabriella's family calls the 0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:45.640 strike period, as in strike against the outside world. We 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:51.240 thought that God was cursing us for not for not 0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:57.159 being good enough, for becoming too worldly. If you have 0:25:57.200 --> 0:25:59.960 a job in the world, or if you have friends 0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.720 that are outside of the cult, you mingle in any 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.320 way with anybody outside of the cold, or flirt with 0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:09.479 boys or anything. We're the wrong kind of shoes and 0:26:09.560 --> 0:26:13.680 makeup and start being social. All that is worldly and bad, 0:26:13.720 --> 0:26:18.360 and God will curse you. But the thing with us 0:26:19.119 --> 0:26:22.280 is that God didn't only curse us. Okay, God curse 0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:26.000 the whole world. It's like in the Bible, one person 0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:28.359 does something bad and they destroy the whole freaking city. 0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:33.480 Gabriella quit her teaching job. We needed to go on 0:26:33.520 --> 0:26:35.760 some missions. We need to do ourselves, even though all 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.399 the adults were in jail now and we need to 0:26:37.440 --> 0:26:42.920 carry on continuing the murder spree. Basically, so we did 0:26:42.920 --> 0:26:49.480 our solemn assemblies. We fasted for a week, fraid twice 0:26:49.480 --> 0:26:51.679 a day, did two solemn assemblies a day, which like 0:26:51.720 --> 0:26:54.520 each one is two or three hours long, so it's 0:26:54.560 --> 0:27:01.960 like all day long your prayers. It's terrible. M This 0:27:02.080 --> 0:27:05.920 strike was a rejection against what they deemed as corrupt 0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:11.040 Western or American outside influences. The United States was definitely 0:27:11.080 --> 0:27:13.639 the big evil country. We all decided to know that 0:27:13.720 --> 0:27:16.200 all that is evil, all these things that everyone else 0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.240 is doing their normal lives of people are living, all 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:19.800 that is bad. Every part of it is bad, So 0:27:19.840 --> 0:27:22.120 don't even think of it. You can't talk to anybody, 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:24.560 you can't have friends. And there was a point that 0:27:24.640 --> 0:27:29.320 we couldn't even study outside world books, so you know, 0:27:29.600 --> 0:27:34.120 kind of like think of some extremist community saying all 0:27:34.160 --> 0:27:38.480 everything Western is bad, right, so burn it all. Gabriella 0:27:38.520 --> 0:27:42.000 and a few of her siblings rejected anything that represented 0:27:42.040 --> 0:27:45.600 the corruption of the world. One day, Gabriella and these 0:27:45.640 --> 0:27:48.679 siblings gathered up as many of these corrupting possessions as 0:27:48.720 --> 0:27:51.360 they could find, and dumped them in a big heap 0:27:51.400 --> 0:27:55.000 in the backyard, douse them in gas, and then we 0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.600 burned it all in the big bonfire. Literally birth it 0:27:58.640 --> 0:28:00.960 all in a big bonfire. Literally burnt it all in 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:04.960 the big weldfire, all of our shoes, anything that was worldly. 0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:10.639 The whole idea here was to somehow like purify yourselves, 0:28:10.640 --> 0:28:14.359 get back in the graces of God. Yes, basically, and 0:28:14.520 --> 0:28:16.720 God needed to bless us, send us some sort of 0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:19.639 answer because we didn't have any answers. There was no 0:28:19.720 --> 0:28:27.840 communication from heaven. So we did the very best we could. 0:28:27.840 --> 0:28:33.040 We got rid of everything that was worldly. They were 0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:35.919