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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling. Railvalry. No, no, sibling,

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Speaker 1: you don't do that with your mouth ravelry. That's good.

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Speaker 1: So Danica and Brooke Patrick Ollie, that was fun for me,

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Speaker 1: Like I love listening to sisters because it's something that

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Speaker 1: I never really had, and it's a different kind of relationship.

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Speaker 1: It just is. I mean it's very different than the

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Speaker 1: brother sister dynamic. And every time I hear sisters talk,

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Speaker 1: it's like, wow, they're so emotional. But this was great.

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Speaker 1: You know, Danica, she's got this exterior that you think

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Speaker 1: sweet and well she's all about self care. I mean,

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Speaker 1: she really is about making herself better. And that was

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Speaker 1: she's tough, she gets into a car accidents, she rubs,

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Speaker 1: she rubs paint, but she's been into the bettering yourself,

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Speaker 1: you know, for a long long time, and she's very versed.

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Speaker 1: I mean she is very knowledgeable. She has definitely done

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Speaker 1: done the work, read the books. It was really nice,

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Speaker 1: an unexpected therapy session type of episode, and I think

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Speaker 1: everyone's really going to enjoy it, especially girls out there

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Speaker 1: who you know, this sort of stereotype of like what

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Speaker 1: discovered how she can use her femininity too, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: a little bit about that about when that came into

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Speaker 1: play for her. You know. Anyway, this was a great episode.

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Speaker 1: Brooke was great, and she's breast currently breastfeeding, so I'm

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Speaker 1: a feel your girl feeling it, but enjoy this episode

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Speaker 1: with Danica and Brooke. Patrick dig it. So who's the

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Speaker 1: older sister? Is it just you two? Yeah? Oh so

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Speaker 1: just too and your age difference about exactly two years

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Speaker 1: so boom boom. What they call Irish twins right, Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean we're two years apart? Yeah? Is that what

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Speaker 1: although I mean I left. I left home when I

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Speaker 1: our like doing things together got cut short because of that.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, pretty much when I pretty much when she

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Speaker 1: a family of racers? Yeah, Dad raced. Actually, our parents

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Speaker 1: set up by a lady named Sue, which is why

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Speaker 1: my middle name is Sue. So we were kind of

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Speaker 1: can trust her with my life right and my babies.

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Speaker 1: So it was the most intense thing I've ever done

426
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Speaker 1: maybe ever, and I've rode in like Indy car two seaters,

427
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,240
Speaker 1: I've rode with many other drivers, and this was the

428
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,760
Speaker 1: first time I've ever rode with her. And it was

429
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:43,440
Speaker 1: so freaking intense. I was like screaming and like gripping,

430
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: and I mean, so I'm thinking, this is as simple

431
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: as it is with nobody around. So like, I think

432
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 1: she had to be tough and intense because that was

433
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: not for the Week of Hearts, like by any means.

434
00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: So I think that that just I think your occupation

435
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,080
Speaker 1: was definitely part of it, but it's so did your personality.

436
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the speed was probably sixty percent of what

437
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 1: the speed could be like in an Indy car. And

438
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: then of course you're doing it alone. So now put

439
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five of your friends out there with you,

440
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,919
Speaker 1: and it's, uh, it was scary as shit. And she

441
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: like and she, I mean, she just kind of was

442
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: got done, like yeah, and I just kept saying, like,

443
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: did you have fun? I kept saying I could never

444
00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,560
Speaker 1: do that. I literally was like I kind of couldn't

445
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Speaker 1: catch my breath and I was like I couldn't never

446
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 1: do that, Like how did you do that? And she

447
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,640
Speaker 1: was like, I know, you couldn't do it. I think

448
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:34,320
Speaker 1: you're like, that's why I did the Yeah. I think

449
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: she said something like I could, I could never do that,

450
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 1: and I'm like, well, I know, I know, but I

451
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,880
Speaker 1: kept no. I'm like, I don't know how you did

452
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,720
Speaker 1: what you did for as long as you did, And

453
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: that I was in a very controlled environment, so I

454
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 1: couldn't even imagine like how much stress that was. Yeah,

455
00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: and I knew I had a baby on board. So

456
00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 1: but I would say that from my perspective, what I'm

457
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 1: realizing is as I've retired a couple of years two

458
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 1: years ago, and you know, gotten away from it and

459
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,960
Speaker 1: also like just life, you know, unpacking life and evolving

460
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: and growing and learning more about myself, I think I

461
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: really had to nurture that masculine side of the seriousness, right,

462
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 1: so you can be serious and be you know, soft, right.

463
00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 1: But I think that because of the environment that I

464
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: was in, there was a there was a more masculine

465
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: sort of characteristic to it. So the idea of like

466
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Speaker 1: being holding a boundary, let's say, and or giving someone

467
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Speaker 1: a truth, let's use that as an example, like being

468
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: honest with people I have, it's one of the things

469
00:25:49,720 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 1: that I have an ability to sense is someone's truth

470
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: versus a lie, Like I can just sense it in them.

471
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:56,639
Speaker 1: And but the thing is is that I don't know

472
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 1: how to I'm not very good, Like I literally don't

473
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: have a vis visualization or an or a feeling for

474
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,200
Speaker 1: the middle ground between allowing and not saying anything. And

475
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,719
Speaker 1: you know, putting a sword through your heart. And it

476
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that the sword through your heart's a lie.

477
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 1: It's not. It's true, and perhaps it's necessary. But how

478
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 1: do you reach the middle ground in the middle that's

479
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:26,359
Speaker 1: that's still kind, loving and received while still saying the

480
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,880
Speaker 1: same thing that's over here on this you know, far

481
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: end of the spectrum that can be a little bit

482
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:37,840
Speaker 1: sudden for someone or aggressive or jolting, but you know,

483
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: you're always safer in that middle ground. So that's what

484
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 1: I'm kind of learning how to do, is to you know,

485
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: figure out how to deliver truth in a way that's

486
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 1: you know, in a space that I never cultivated. Right, Right,

487
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: here's an example too, Like you know, somebody told me,

488
00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,520
Speaker 1: you know, hey, everybody's going flat through one and two,

489
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: Like you need to go flat through one and two,

490
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: which means just like hold it wide open. You can't

491
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 1: lift right, So then I'd go, okay, I still have

492
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 1: nothing to go do it talking about no idea. Okay.

493
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: So say you're driving a race car and like you

494
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: know it's an oval. Okay, you know you're trying to

495
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: They're like flat means never lifting off the throttle, right,

496
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: So they're like, okay, you need to hold it wide open.

497
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 1: Through one and two everybody else is doing it. And

498
00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 1: so there's either there's two sides of me. There's one

499
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 1: that goes okay, and then there's the other side of

500
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,880
Speaker 1: me that goes, well, that's impossible. The car handle's like shit,

501
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 1: you need to change it, and I can't do that?

502
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,840
Speaker 1: Do you want me to crash to prove it to you?

503
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 1: And so like again, can you see how there's like

504
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 1: it's one of the other, right, So that's this world

505
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: I lived in, was like Okay, I'll go do it,

506
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 1: or that's impossible. I can't do that, and this is why.

507
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: And so instead of that perhaps middle ground where it's

508
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: like look, i'm gonna I'll go out and i'm gonna

509
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I can, I'm gonna I might crash.

510
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 1: But if I feel that's going to be the situation.

511
00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: I'll back it down and we're just going to have

512
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: to work on it. Okay, Like right, there's the middle

513
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 1: ground that feels so much more about holding your own

514
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: sort of integrity to the situation, but not being so

515
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: cut and dry. Right, So you're basically saying that you

516
00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: have this thing where you just go right to the

517
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: point and it can feel very aggressive sometimes. Yes, Kate,

518
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: thank you got it. That's exactly right with our relationship too.

519
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 1: I feel like that I kind of learned that about her.

520
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: So before it'd be like, okay, you know, like a

521
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,919
Speaker 1: more like quiet reserve, and then now she you know,

522
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 1: if she says something, I'm like, yeah, actually I do

523
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: need to do that, or you know, no, like I

524
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: think you're being rude right now, Like I'll just give

525
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: it back to her, and then all of a sudden,

526
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: it just goes right back down, like it's just like

527
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: not a problem, like if I give give it back.

528
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: Give the example on the trip, Oh yeah, So we

529
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 1: just got back from Montana, and so I have a baby,

530
00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: so I'm still breastfeeding, and so I mean I was

531
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: away for six days. I had to pump, right and

532
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 1: you know, every like three hours, you got to do this.

533
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: And she looked up and she was I think she

534
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: was hungry, but this is the underlying thing. She was hungry.

535
00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: And then she looked up. She was like, you're pumping again. God,

536
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: don't you do that too much? Is that really necessary

537
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 1: to do all the time? And I go, yeah, I

538
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 1: didn't say it quite like that. Well it was you.

539
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: She goes, do you really need to do that? I

540
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: feel like you've done that a lot. Is that necessary?

541
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 1: And I go, yeah, actually it is every three hours,

542
00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: it's very necessary. And then it was just like it's fine,

543
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: it was done. Yeah, it was over. See. My thing

544
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: is where she was. Sometimes I'm like, just tell me.

545
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: I'm if you think that I sound rude or weird,

546
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:41,480
Speaker 1: just say it. Just say like that sounded really rude,

547
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: and I'll be like, oh, but that didn't mean it. Well,

548
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 1: we've had this conversation before, you know, Katie and I

549
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: have had this conversation before. Tone it plays a big

550
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: part in how you speak. You know, you can be

551
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: very direct and forward and not be passive aggressive and

552
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 1: use a tone that is not off putting. You know.

553
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean, you can say, you know, do you really

554
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: have to do that all the time, and just say

555
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,120
Speaker 1: it in different ways and you'll you'll garner a different response.

556
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: You know, how can I say it helped me out

557
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 1: to give me an example. No, I'm just saying. I'm

558
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,440
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559
00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 1: like do you have to do that all the time?

560
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: Or if it's like you know more of why do

561
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 1: you have to is it necessary to do that every

562
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 1: three hours? Like educate me for a second, you know

563
00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: what I mean? Or is it why do you have

564
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: to do that all the time? That's the same thing twice.

565
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Speaker 1: That's kind of how I said it. Then I feel

566
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567
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568
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569
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624
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625
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Speaker 1: Was there ever, like a boy you guys both liked

626
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627
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628
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630
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631
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632
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Speaker 1: So then it was like, so he wasn't gicking me.

633
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Speaker 1: He wasn't calling me, and so I remember one time

634
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635
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Speaker 1: get because we sound someone similar. So I think I

636
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: remember a couple of times. I think I feel like

637
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,759
Speaker 1: I acted like you. What the hell? I think I

638
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:10,600
Speaker 1: did it once. But other than that, thanks guys, because

639
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: I didn't actually ever know that story, I think that yeah, wow, wow,

640
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: well Broke Brooke, what was it like? What was it

641
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: like for you when Danica left? I mean at sixteen,

642
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 1: which is a very young age. You're fourteen, you know,

643
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 1: and she's now gone. Yeah, that was the only one

644
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 1: big time in my life really because I was a

645
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: freshman in high school, you know, like right when you

646
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: need like kind of your sister as a mentor. You know,

647
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 1: we would have been in the same school together, and

648
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: not to have her there was I think that really

649
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 1: helped our relationship a lot more, because I mean we

650
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: used to you know, you take for granted when your

651
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: sibling is there, and then all of a sudden, you know,

652
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: you put them across the world. And I think I

653
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: just was much more grateful for our connection, our friendship

654
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: from engl and because I just missed her. You know,

655
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: did you ever feel like I wish I was doing that,

656
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,280
Speaker 1: like I wish I was in England out of school.

657
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 1: I never was jealous of like that kind of thing.

658
00:36:12,040 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: The only stuff that I felt like. I mean, of course,

659
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,799
Speaker 1: you know, like when you get to do fun things

660
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: and you get to meet cool people, and I mean

661
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 1: some of that is like that'd be pretty fun, and

662
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: like who doesn't love to get like dressed in beautiful

663
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: stuff and get your hair and makeup done. I mean,

664
00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:28,880
Speaker 1: like that would be fun to do, and I've gotten

665
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: to do some of it. But I think those are

666
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: the only times where I'm like, man, that looks so fun.

667
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: But I actually was never envious of your job or

668
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: your role. I was I literally knew it was not

669
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: my job, Like it's not my personality, it's hers. It

670
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,160
Speaker 1: was like I was just proud of her, you know,

671
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: I was never jealous of a racing When you left Danica,

672
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: who went with you? No one so alone? Wow? Sixteen.

673
00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: I will never forget the day we dropped her off

674
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: at O'Hair airport in Chicago. Oh boy, I mean, like

675
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: I think all three of us she was dry eyed,

676
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:06,480
Speaker 1: like Mom, Dad and I were like in the car

677
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: like probably already crying on the way there and then

678
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: was like like her two big bags rolling down, and

679
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: of course like mom and dad and I were just

680
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: were like bawling. You know what I mean, We're just

681
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: like devastated sad. She like kind of was like bye guys,

682
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 1: and it was like but that was like I don't know.

683
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: I mean, that's like I guess how that's just your

684
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:31,080
Speaker 1: personality at that time, was like you literally didn't shed

685
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: a tear. She didn't shed a tear, and we were like,

686
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 1: hang on, let's give me the arc of the tear crying,

687
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: Like how would you say? Because I feel like I

688
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: probably was like that for a long time. When did

689
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 1: he start crying? Wow? Just like emotions like when you know,

690
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: have I always been like that? Yeah? Yeah, probably have

691
00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:55,839
Speaker 1: always Like those not typical things make her cry, Like

692
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: I mean, normal stuff like I wouldn't say you're somebody

693
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 1: who watches a show or something like that and is

694
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,760
Speaker 1: like leaky eyed, like that's not about a dog unless

695
00:38:04,760 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 1: it's about a dog, say like like Marley and Me

696
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 1: is like the only time you cried, I won't even

697
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: watch it. Yeah, honestly, it's because I didn't want to cry.

698
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,359
Speaker 1: Like when she's tender she's super tender, right like, but

699
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: most like typical like cry movies or whatever, like just

700
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: don't get you. Oh man, I'd cry. I cry so

701
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 1: much you'd never like dating me. You'd be like, what

702
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 1: the fuck is wrong with you? All? I cry a

703
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: lot more Lately. I have a I do a word

704
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: of the year, and my word of the year this

705
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: year was feel, So I decided recently to change that

706
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 1: to feel joy because feeling period was pretty shitty, right, Yeah, No,

707
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: it's good though, I mean, and I guess you know

708
00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: when you when you when you think about even just

709
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: the word feel versus if you don't feel, then you're

710
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: living sort of like in this neutral land of lacking joy. Right,

711
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: if you don't feel sadness, you can't also feel the

712
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 1: joy because you're sort of in the middle. If you

713
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,439
Speaker 1: don't feel it means you can't feel the joy either.

714
00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: So you know, if you're going to want to feel,

715
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:17,959
Speaker 1: that means you're going to expose yourself to more truth

716
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: and gross, right, because that's where like, you know, the

717
00:39:21,480 --> 00:39:23,360
Speaker 1: darkness of the pain and then the bright of the

718
00:39:23,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: of the of the growth and the light that comes

719
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: on the other side of it. So yeah, I think

720
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: My word just implied that I was going to have

721
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:32,839
Speaker 1: you know, I was going to be going into it.

722
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 1: And I've been making up for lost time this year.

723
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: This is so good. I'm loving this. You're in. This

724
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: is and what an interesting time. I mean, evolved. That's

725
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: a good thing. Don't forget about the remember the remember

726
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: the unpacking packing thing, the suitcase thing. I know. Okay, wait, yeah,

727
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 1: So you go to England. You go to England, brook

728
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,839
Speaker 1: your home. You're alone, ninth grade, you're sixteen, You're on

729
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 1: your own. There's nobody take watching after you. Are you

730
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: living by yourself? Or you? Oh yeah, I'm lived with

731
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: a couple of girls. Where in England were you I

732
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 1: was at that point in time. I was in an

733
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,799
Speaker 1: area called Milton Keynes, a town called Milton Keynes. It

734
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,359
Speaker 1: was about an hour north of London. And for people

735
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:19,720
Speaker 1: who don't know, what were you racing at that time?

736
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:24,279
Speaker 1: So if anyone knows, like what an Indy car looks like,

737
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,480
Speaker 1: so a stock car looks kind of like a regular car,

738
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 1: the wheels are covered, and then an IndyCar is open wheel,

739
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,919
Speaker 1: more like an F one car with wings. And then

740
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,800
Speaker 1: so what I was racing was basically a really small

741
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: version of the open wheel car, the f one IndyCar

742
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: looking car with no wings on it, So no wings,

743
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:44,279
Speaker 1: which meant the car couldn't go as faster through the

744
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 1: corners because it doesn't have downforce. So if you just

745
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,439
Speaker 1: think about an airplane, like the wings take you up,

746
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: like these wings kept you on the ground, right, so

747
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: they allowed you to go faster around the corner. So yeah,

748
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: I raced open milk cars without wings for a couple

749
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: of years when I was there. How many other women

750
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: were you racing with? Was it all women or were

751
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 1: you Is it totally all men? All men? So you're

752
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: the only girl? Yeah, Oh my god, why do you?

753
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: Why do you why do you think that there haven't

754
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: been more female drivers? Just in general? I think my

755
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: first go to on that is just that it's not normal, right,

756
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: Like so number one, racing is not normal. It's not

757
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 1: like you play it in school, right, It's not like

758
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: you go, like play basketball. You don't go racing in school.

759
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: So access to even the feeling or whether or not

760
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: you like it is super low. Then on top of it,

761
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's uh, I mean a lot of sports.

762
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 1: I mean, in general, I think you think of sports,

763
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: and you think of guys a lot, right, I mean,

764
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: it's dominantly a male thing to play sports, and so

765
00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: so then you're you're you're even less girls there. And

766
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 1: then on top of it, you have a machine, right,

767
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 1: You're like dealing with a machine, and then you're dealing

768
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: with bumping and crashing people and you know, things that

769
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: are dangerous, and now you have even less right because

770
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: that's sort of like the guy's willing to jump off

771
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: the cliff he's got, you know, and you know, I'm,

772
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: on the other hand, actually not that brave, and I'd

773
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: be like, yeah, I know. So I feel like as

774
00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: you sort of peel away the layers of just like

775
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:17,960
Speaker 1: what it takes to be a driver, you keep filtering

776
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 1: out more and more girls and then on top of

777
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: it to find a good one. I've always used this

778
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: analogy too, that if it takes a hundred guys to

779
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 1: find one that's good, it takes a really long time

780
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 1: to get through a hundred girls to finally find one

781
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: that's good. The ratio might not be that different, but

782
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 1: there's just not that many that come through. My answer

783
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 1: on that side, because it's hard, you know, from my perspective,

784
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 1: I feel like that nobody's been able to balance kind

785
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:49,080
Speaker 1: of all of what comes at you as well as

786
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 1: she has. I mean, I'm sure there's been time to well,

787
00:42:52,120 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: just like dealing with like extra media and not like

788
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,760
Speaker 1: always in a glamorous standpoint. I mean, I think because

789
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 1: you're tough when people came at you, you could stand

790
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: your ground. You could you know, be like authentically you.

791
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: And I feel like that that's not a feminism, you know,

792
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: that's more of a masculine characteristic. And I feel like

793
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 1: your personality just balanced the two very well. I feel

794
00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 1: like that you could be you'd be really tough, but

795
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: you could also do like, oh yeah, let's do a

796
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: photo shoot and be really glamorous and beautiful, and you know,

797
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,320
Speaker 1: like I just don't think, Well that's good. That's a

798
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: good segue into this next thing I really wanted to ask,

799
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: which was sex symbol stuff, because when you came on

800
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: the scene, from my perspective, you were really seen and

801
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 1: positioned as a sex symbol. Now was that something that

802
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: you embraced or was that something that was sort of

803
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 1: brought upon you? You You know, was that something you like

804
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: sort of moved with forward and at all? Yeah? Yeah,

805
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: Well that's a good question, And there was a point

806
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 1: in time where it did transition. And so I think

807
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: in natural really there's this sort of like women in sports,

808
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: like think about like on the F one grid, like

809
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: the you know, the flag girl's name, like they're beautiful.

810
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: Like I think there's just this sort of role essentially,

811
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,720
Speaker 1: So being a girl. Maybe I tried to be plugged

812
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: into that every now and again, but there was a

813
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 1: real point in time where it shifted for me as

814
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: a person where I went wow, because I did try

815
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: and avoid looking like a girl, like without nail polish

816
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 1: and without you know, makeup, and you know, like just

817
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,720
Speaker 1: wearing jeans and just not trying to highlight it because

818
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: as I'm talking about the race car and I'm using

819
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:38,520
Speaker 1: my hands, if I have a pink nail polish on,

820
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 1: I don't need you to doubt me any more than

821
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: you may already doubt me. And so by being reminded

822
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: of it, So I was asked to do a photo

823
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 1: shoot for FHM. Remember that old sexy magazine h in it?

824
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and yeah she was. She did the

825
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: cover and then they did the whole like FHM, you know,

826
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: like Top fifty or whatever. Ah, go Oliver. Yeah. So

827
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: I was asked to do the photo shoot for them,

828
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: and it wasn't the cover, but it was probably like,

829
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, five or six pages, and so it

830
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: was like the the other photo shoot that's really big

831
00:45:20,320 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: in the magazine. And I was nineteen maybe, and when

832
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: it came out, I had no idea how it was

833
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: going to be. Was it gonna be one picture or not?

834
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know. And it came out and

835
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,279
Speaker 1: it just kind of was a big deal in the

836
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 1: racing community and in like in sports as far as

837
00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: just you know, doing that, and there was a lot

838
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:46,759
Speaker 1: of attention generated, but it didn't take away from it

839
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: didn't take away from what I could do, and it

840
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: also kind of added to opportunities. And so I realized

841
00:45:55,480 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: that I still got to do what I wanted and

842
00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: I could look like that, and I could do that,

843
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: and I could help my cause, because damn it, they

844
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: it didn't help sometimes, right, So you know, in this

845
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: world of duality, right, and you've got you know, being

846
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,240
Speaker 1: a girl, I'm not going to give her an opportunity

847
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: because she sucks. Well, hey, I got a sponsor because

848
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,239
Speaker 1: guess what, I look like this and I can help

849
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 1: them out, and so you know, everything takes its balance.

850
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 1: I really believe everything balance is out. So you know,

851
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: I did get a lot of opportunities, but I was

852
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: judged a lot. I was probably doubted a lot. I

853
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: probably didn't always have the best quality everything because maybe

854
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: the team didn't want to give it to me at

855
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,280
Speaker 1: times or didn't care, didn't feel like i'd use it properly.

856
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: So I think there's always a balance to it. But

857
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: from that point on, from whatever I think it was

858
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: about nineteen years old, I realized that I'm going to

859
00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: use everything I have to make this happen. And part

860
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: of it was being a girl and looking like that.

861
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 1: And I never crossed the line. Will I want to

862
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,360
Speaker 1: make sure it's important that I never put myself in

863
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,680
Speaker 1: a position that I wasn't okay with. Now. It doesn't

864
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: mean that what I'm okay with is what you're okay with,

865
00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: but I was always okay with right now. Did you

866
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: experience did you experience a lot of not okay? You know,

867
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: living in this man's world, you know, and was there

868
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,520
Speaker 1: a lot of shit where you're like, wow, that's fucked up,

869
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 1: But I can't believe you said that, or I can't

870
00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: believe you did that. I mean, how much not okay

871
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 1: did you experience? Yeah? I think honestly, the community. I

872
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 1: think the backlash. I feel kind of like backlash was

873
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 1: like the bad stuff came more from women, which is

874
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: where I'm like, hey, it's my comfort zone but not yours.

875
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 1: I really don't care what you think and what you're

876
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 1: okay with doing. What is it? There's some saying like

877
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,360
Speaker 1: it's easier it's easier to convince somebody of something wrong

878
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: than it is to make them believe in something new

879
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: that's right or something like that. But I mean, I'm

880
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 1: sure that there's just that feeling of like if I,

881
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,800
Speaker 1: if I am okay with this, I have to relearn

882
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 1: what my new standards and levels of acceptance and what

883
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: that means for me. Right. So it's easier to try

884
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:09,080
Speaker 1: and break other people down to then validate, justify, and

885
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:14,720
Speaker 1: strengthen your own belief system because it makes you feel safe,

886
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: right because the ego's job is just to keep you

887
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,640
Speaker 1: safe right now, So it goes, oh, I don't think

888
00:48:21,719 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 1: it's okay what you do, how you live your life,

889
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 1: and how how everything is. So the ego goes, oh, man,

890
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,919
Speaker 1: you better project some shit onto that because it makes

891
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: you feel better. I think it's also the complexity of

892
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: gender of gender issues is as complex as everything else,

893
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: if not one of the most I think right now specifically,

894
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a black and white issue. There's

895
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:52,360
Speaker 1: a lot of like, let's let's just look at women alone,

896
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,480
Speaker 1: and what women the position in a patriarch that women

897
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 1: have been put in for hundreds of years, where we

898
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: are are constantly vying for the protection of a particular man.

899
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: I mean that is in our DNA to say, if

900
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: I can get this man to see me as the

901
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 1: one to protect, then I then I am protected. And

902
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: so as we carry that into like today in twenty twenty,

903
00:49:20,280 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: I think there's always and then and then I'll get

904
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:26,920
Speaker 1: to the boys side of it. There's always this sense

905
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 1: of almost like a sense of either competition or or

906
00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 1: you know, feeling threatened without really understanding why you're feeling

907
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 1: that way. And we are predisposed to that. Our brain,

908
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,479
Speaker 1: our women's fight or flight is predisposed to making sure

909
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: that that man and that woman doesn't threaten what that is.

910
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: So anything that might symbolize a threat can actually become

911
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: something that you know, are either you know, you react

912
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 1: to whereas men. What's interesting about what's happening now with

913
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 1: men is that now the gender roles are changing so much,

914
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: women have such this a different kind of of need

915
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: from a man than they ever did, that they're sort

916
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: of struggling for what their purpose is. So what's my

917
00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: purpose as a man If you don't need me to

918
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 1: protect you, what is my purpose? And so there's that

919
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: whole thing. So as we evolve, which we shift and

920
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: we change, and we're in a very like tumultuous time

921
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 1: right now where we're trying to figure out what it

922
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: all means. And I think you are a very particularly

923
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,640
Speaker 1: interesting subject as far as that is, because you are

924
00:50:45,600 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: someone who is, you know, unlike anybody at a very

925
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:52,960
Speaker 1: high level thrust into something that is more male. You

926
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: are a race car driver and you are the only

927
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 1: fucking woman, you know. I mean, how many women own

928
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: owned teams? Oh there was one in Atlantic so that

929
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 1: it was like one like lower level team that had

930
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: a female owner. Okay, So I mean you are just

931
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: surrounded by men and models and like red Bull models

932
00:51:16,719 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 1: right now, I mean that's right, you know, So you

933
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:26,400
Speaker 1: couldn't be in like a more kind of misogynistic world

934
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: even And I'm not saying that like those because I

935
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: know a lot of those guys and I they're the

936
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 1: best and I love them. I'm not saying that like that,

937
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: but just as as what it represents, I mean, it's

938
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:39,879
Speaker 1: as masculine as it gets. Yeah, were you accepted? Had

939
00:51:39,880 --> 00:51:42,600
Speaker 1: you always been accepted? Was there acceptance right from the

940
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:46,360
Speaker 1: get go? I mean, nobody really said stuff to my face,

941
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 1: but I am sure that there were a lot of

942
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: people that just right. There's a power and belief. There's

943
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 1: a power in believing and being all in on something.

944
00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: And like so in my situation, it would have been

945
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:00,359
Speaker 1: like believing I could do the job, giving the car

946
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 1: it took, giving me them canics, the engineer, all the

947
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 1: things that it took. And so if somebody along the way,

948
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: especially the higher up they get, or many along the way,

949
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: didn't believe truly that I could do it, like oh yeah,

950
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: and we're going to give her a chance. But like

951
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:14,359
Speaker 1: believing at a level that was giving me what it

952
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 1: took to accomplish great things, as it does to someone

953
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,279
Speaker 1: else that's going to accomplish great things. That's a guy

954
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 1: that I think was probably something that was always challenging

955
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 1: was to find sort of my situation to be ideal

956
00:52:25,520 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: for me to show my talents off without being hindered

957
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 1: by you know, sort of second grade this or third

958
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: grade that, or like oh this will do, or you know,

959
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,279
Speaker 1: just like a lot of compromise along the way, like

960
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 1: let's say, good equipment, but maybe not the best. Right,

961
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: So if you want me to be the best, how

962
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: the hell do you expect me to be the best?

963
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: But I feel like there's a lot of it comes

964
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:53,840
Speaker 1: down to that, doesn't it, Like you know, it's about

965
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,840
Speaker 1: the car. I mean, how much is it about the

966
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,480
Speaker 1: car and how much is it about the driver? And

967
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: I've become very friendly with Jimmy Johnson. He lives here,

968
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: and you know, it's just obviously it's his last year,

969
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 1: and I'm like, what happened to you? Like why are

970
00:53:05,080 --> 00:53:08,160
Speaker 1: you not winning? You're still an amazing driver, And it's

971
00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 1: like it's the car, and he goes, it's the car.

972
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: We can't get the car to where we want it

973
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: to be. Yeah, yeah, Jimmy's not a worst driver. That's

974
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: what Dank would always say. She was like, I didn't

975
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: forget to drive how to drive, Like I mean, if

976
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: you do really good at some point and then not

977
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 1: like you don't forget how to or I didn't learn

978
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,879
Speaker 1: Like let's say one weekend goes well and I go, yeah,

979
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 1: I know that's fun and great and all, but I

980
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,879
Speaker 1: didn't just learn how to drive this weekend and then

981
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 1: forget the next. Like There's so many things that go

982
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: into performing well that are outside of your control. And

983
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: that was what I ended up end up letting go of.

984
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: Like I was so determined for so long, especially in NASCAR,

985
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:46,759
Speaker 1: and I was like, gonna stick it out to get

986
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 1: the situation right, but things kind of kept getting stripped away,

987
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: and so I just was like, fuck it, this isn't

988
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,360
Speaker 1: the life that I want. I don't really yeah, because

989
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: I get I would imagine it gets so stripped away

990
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,839
Speaker 1: that finally they're like, what the fuck am I doing?

991
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:02,839
Speaker 1: I can't win now. I mean, it's just not even

992
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 1: a possibility because so much has been stripped from the

993
00:54:06,040 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: team that we don't have a car that can that

994
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 1: can even come close to competing. So what am I

995
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:14,799
Speaker 1: doing here? Totally? I mean exactly. I watched this f

996
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 1: one series that I really got into. They did two

997
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: years of it on Netflix Netflix, and it really opened

998
00:54:20,440 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 1: up my eyes. It's like it's like unfair. I mean,

999
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: you've got everyone's an amazing driver, but you've got Hamilton

1000
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,760
Speaker 1: with Mercedes, and there's so much fucking money that's pumped

1001
00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: into making his car and his team the best team.

1002
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 1: How can you lose? You know? Yeah, that's exactly how

1003
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: it goes. When I did before I one of the

1004
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: things that I did that was helped me get a

1005
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:44,840
Speaker 1: ride back in the States and I was done, was

1006
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 1: this big race called the Formula Ford Festival. And there's

1007
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,359
Speaker 1: over one hundred entries from all over Europe, so right,

1008
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:55,120
Speaker 1: French drivers, Belgium drivers, like Spanish drivers, British drivers, and

1009
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 1: they all came to this track in England called brands

1010
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: Hatch and did did this big race and I finished second,

1011
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: which was the you know, which was great, right. It

1012
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,439
Speaker 1: was best for female for sure, best for an American ever.

1013
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: And the equipment that I had was the leftover equipment

1014
00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 1: from the whole season by the number one driver on

1015
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,319
Speaker 1: the team. And guess who won the race, the guy

1016
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 1: that got the new equipment. I finished second. Oh God,

1017
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: that's just not how it goes. I want to I

1018
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: want to get back to like the on my mind,

1019
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:33,239
Speaker 1: which I is remarkable because I have a mind that

1020
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: moves very quickly from thought to thought and I forget easily.

1021
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:38,759
Speaker 1: But in the things that you were talking about about

1022
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 1: the difference between men and women in the roles, I

1023
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: get this feeling right now, like we're in a year,

1024
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 1: we are in a point in time, on point in

1025
00:55:48,719 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: history where it's like the boundaries and paradigms and cultural

1026
00:55:58,719 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: biases and and opinions and this whole like the whole

1027
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 1: dynamic of being a human being is being dissolved and

1028
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,280
Speaker 1: it's time to rebuild. Right. So as you talk about

1029
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: this very confusing time with men and women and what

1030
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,640
Speaker 1: are our roles, right, it makes me really can I

1031
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,560
Speaker 1: can really feel into that right now in this year

1032
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: where it's like everything is being dissolved and defined. Yeah,

1033
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 1: and so like it will be interesting to see And

1034
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe you have a perspective, but you

1035
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: know you talk about like the man is supposed to

1036
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 1: be the protector. So if the woman is now strong

1037
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: and she doesn't need the protection, what is the role

1038
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: of the man. And so it leads me to wonder

1039
00:56:41,960 --> 00:56:45,040
Speaker 1: what is the point of the relationship, right that needs

1040
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 1: to be. The new question is why are we together?

1041
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: And when you say everything's dissolving, like define everything, cite

1042
00:56:52,160 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: examples of what when you say everything, you know, I

1043
00:56:56,080 --> 00:56:59,280
Speaker 1: guess the everything's The nevers and the always are tough words,

1044
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: but I would just say, you know, uh, the way

1045
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: that everything with black lives matter to me too, or

1046
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: times up to women in the workplace or equality in

1047
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 1: the workplace, or you know, just any of those things.

1048
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: These those these issues that are coming up where it's

1049
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: screaming for balance and screaming for equality. It seems as

1050
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: though are being just brought to the surface. All those

1051
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: issues to me, are because everybody just wants to be one, right,

1052
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 1: like on some level, and there's there's people that you know,

1053
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 1: there's just the I don't know, there's an upheopal to

1054
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,160
Speaker 1: get it there. But balance is also the word to Danica,

1055
00:57:47,240 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: because you know, when when you're trying to create balance,

1056
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: the pendulum is going to shift dramatically in different directions, right, Yes,

1057
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: and then it does settle. It has to. I mean,

1058
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: it's just the nature of energy, right And like I

1059
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: I really believe that finding again we're talking just we're

1060
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:08,560
Speaker 1: talking about gender. You know that finding the balance of gender.

1061
00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: You're talking about masculine femininity. This has been my work

1062
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 1: because I lean very masculine and and like and even

1063
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,240
Speaker 1: though like you know, put a dress on me in

1064
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: some party shoes, but I'm still like in the mud,

1065
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,160
Speaker 1: and like if someone gets on my back, I'm like,

1066
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: I'm like a you know, I'm like a puffer fish.

1067
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 1: You know. It's like so so, but the balance is

1068
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: key to everything for everyone, whether male, female, they you know,

1069
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:46,520
Speaker 1: however you identify. It's finding that kind of masculine feminine balance.

1070
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,600
Speaker 1: But when you throw on top of it, you have

1071
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:50,640
Speaker 1: a male and a female, and then within each male

1072
00:58:50,680 --> 00:58:53,200
Speaker 1: and female there's masculine and feminine energy in both, and

1073
00:58:53,240 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: so it's like balancing your own to be balanced for

1074
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: the relationship whatever that is right, because then you throw

1075
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 1: into it that that element of like maybe it's okay

1076
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: to be this way or that way, and just it's hard.

1077
00:59:06,440 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 1: I also think that we're living in a time where

1078
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 1: people are really accepting to vulnerability and transparency, and I

1079
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 1: love that the more vulnerable you are, I think, the

1080
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:21,480
Speaker 1: less you're setting yourself up for people to sort of

1081
00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: judge you or call you a hypocrite. Or you know,

1082
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 1: and I like that about what's happening right now. It

1083
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,440
Speaker 1: always goes back to sort of so many of those wonderful,

1084
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: beautiful quotes by people throughout the ages, where it's always

1085
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 1: starts with you. It always starts with you. And so

1086
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: we can't you know, arrive in the world in a

1087
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: place and see the world in a way that's any

1088
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: different than we live. So if we live in a

1089
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:49,439
Speaker 1: restricted life and a judgment life and all of these

1090
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: in a shameful life and a fearful life, that's all

1091
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,720
Speaker 1: we see in the world. And so the work always

1092
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 1: freaking starts with you. It's just just the way it is.

1093
00:59:58,880 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 1: But I actually actually getting back to a point, getting

1094
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:04,720
Speaker 1: back to a point. I know we asked, you know,

1095
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:08,000
Speaker 1: we asked, we asked Brooke about sort of Danica's life

1096
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: and whether there's any envy there. But what about the

1097
01:00:11,840 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: reverse of it, you know, I mean, is there any

1098
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:16,680
Speaker 1: part of brook where you look at and you're like, man,

1099
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: I just wish, I wish that was my life. I

1100
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 1: think I envy you know, the partnership that she has.

1101
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're really really great partners in life and

1102
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 1: for each other and with the kids and everything that

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01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: they do, and so relationship has always been something that

1104
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:37,479
Speaker 1: has been top of the list, something that I want

1105
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:42,160
Speaker 1: for myself, and so yet it hasn't seemed to go right.

1106
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:46,680
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I guess I have this. You know,

1107
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,439
Speaker 1: we were sharing some things about some experiences that we've

1108
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:51,760
Speaker 1: had and some that she's had that I honestly hadn't

1109
01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:55,680
Speaker 1: heard before. This was not that long ago, and I

1110
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:59,280
Speaker 1: generally think that, you know, we have this, you know,

1111
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:02,360
Speaker 1: a couple seasons of our life, and one of them,

1112
01:01:02,560 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: one of a season of life has to do with

1113
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: life lessons and relationships and yourself really yourself through the relationships,

1114
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: and then another season of work, right where you make

1115
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:16,880
Speaker 1: money and you go be successful and you dig in

1116
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 1: and you do that. And I just think that, you know,

1117
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: for me, I think I had a lot of people

1118
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 1: go through the season of growing as a person and

1119
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 1: in relationship in their twenties and I was working. So

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01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: I did that season in my twenties, and now I'm

1121
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: in the season of figuring the other part of my

1122
01:01:34,440 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: life out in my thirties, and so so I guess

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01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:43,680
Speaker 1: I have things to learn from her, you know, I

1124
01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:45,880
Speaker 1: have things to learn, right, I don't want to put

1125
01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: you on this pod, Brook, but you don't have to

1126
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:50,280
Speaker 1: answer this question. But if you're looking at your sister,

1127
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:53,560
Speaker 1: why would you say that it's been tough for her

1128
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 1: in the relationship department? WHOA A good question? Yeah, you

1129
01:01:59,600 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: know then, so you can tell in the answer you

1130
01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 1: know it. I also think too, because she like wants

1131
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:11,840
Speaker 1: it so much sometimes she like seeks it so hard

1132
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 1: that she just like she's such a she's she's like

1133
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,880
Speaker 1: all about endurance, like she's going to be a fixer.

1134
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,600
Speaker 1: She's gonna like ride it out. She's like a ride

1135
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: or die like for life. Like if you have her,

1136
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,800
Speaker 1: she's there and she is fully committed. And I feel

1137
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: like that that constant like endurance of like it's okay,

1138
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: this is just how I am, this is how I'm built,

1139
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: this is what I'm good at. I can I can

1140
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,400
Speaker 1: work on things, I can fix things. I feel like

1141
01:02:38,440 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: also that voice is just kind of it's just telling

1142
01:02:44,240 --> 01:02:47,080
Speaker 1: her this lie that like no, you know exactly what

1143
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:49,960
Speaker 1: is in your heart, like you know it and your

1144
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: you know your strength is just saying no, no, no,

1145
01:02:52,520 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: like it's okay, it's all right, I got this. And

1146
01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,480
Speaker 1: yet inside I think She's always felt like she's known

1147
01:02:58,560 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: always the truth about it everything, and it's just more

1148
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:06,160
Speaker 1: of her endurance and her will to just make it

1149
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:12,760
Speaker 1: all work has been her barrier. I give up boundaries, right,

1150
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm learning, is I give up boundaries.

1151
01:03:15,920 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm willing to please and fix things, and then I

1152
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 1: don't hold my own boundary of like you know what,

1153
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:26,080
Speaker 1: this is bullshit, like nope, deserve better, or like you

1154
01:03:26,120 --> 01:03:28,800
Speaker 1: know what that's not this doesn't feel very equal or

1155
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: balanced in effort, or this doesn't feel very like I'm

1156
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 1: extremely open and vulnerable and you're not, Like that's not balanced,

1157
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: or like I go to see you, you don't come

1158
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 1: to see me. Like those things like learning those boundaries

1159
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 1: for myself so that I don't give them up. Do

1160
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 1: you think there's a psychology behind the guys that you choose? Oh,

1161
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 1: I know where it comes from. I mean, like, I mean,

1162
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 1: I've this is unpacking my shit is like you know,

1163
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when we started racing, Dad yelled

1164
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,160
Speaker 1: all the time, yelled at me a lot, and I

1165
01:04:00,200 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: was always in trouble and never doing well enough. And

1166
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: then you know, a mom said that that was every weekend,

1167
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 1: like arguing like yelling every weekend. And then I was like,

1168
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:12,840
Speaker 1: well what did we do? And she said, well, we

1169
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: just gave in. So that's the person I am. I

1170
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:20,400
Speaker 1: you know, I learned. I learned that arguing meant yelling.

1171
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: I learned that, you know, I wasn't good enough at

1172
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 1: anything ever, and I learned that if you want things

1173
01:04:27,640 --> 01:04:33,840
Speaker 1: to move on, you just give in. So, yeah, you're

1174
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: so smart and so evolved. What you so smart and evolved?

1175
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,920
Speaker 1: And I love it just the I mean it's awesome.

1176
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: And I think when you were thinking about like the

1177
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: masculine feminine, like the balance and dynamics, like I don't

1178
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:50,960
Speaker 1: know about you guys, but I mean I see so

1179
01:04:51,160 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: many more, like such a big shift in the way

1180
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:01,480
Speaker 1: that Dad's parent because it's not babysit when you talk

1181
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: like I mean our dad, but it's not just our dad.

1182
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: I think literally that whole generation like didn't change diapers,

1183
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:09,920
Speaker 1: Like he didn't change one of our diapers, like it

1184
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:11,800
Speaker 1: was just that was how it was. And it wasn't

1185
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: even like it definitely wasn't the crappy dad like you were.

1186
01:05:17,400 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: So we were thinking. So Dad took her girls on

1187
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 1: a trip to what is it called holiday World, Holiday World,

1188
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 1: and for the for like a whole for a night

1189
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: and a day like drove in and Darias very recent

1190
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,040
Speaker 1: and then went to the park all day. And so

1191
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of thoughts that go into

1192
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,080
Speaker 1: that as far as you know, what if they need

1193
01:05:36,080 --> 01:05:39,040
Speaker 1: their ass wiped, what if they peed their plants? What

1194
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 1: if you know, literally is a thing because Jordan likes

1195
01:05:43,120 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 1: to have people wipe her. But so the thing is, though,

1196
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: is that we looked at that and we were both like,

1197
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: did Dad, do we have that memory of ever doing

1198
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:58,400
Speaker 1: anything like that with Dad? And we were like no, no,

1199
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 1: But and so even grandparents are being like grandfathers are

1200
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: being different than they used to be. So it's beautiful

1201
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,720
Speaker 1: because there's so many dads that I see who are

1202
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: like either stay at home dads or they're super present,

1203
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 1: Like I'm so grateful my husband is, like I literally

1204
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: like when we went on vacation, I was like, Okay,

1205
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:19,200
Speaker 1: you got this for like six days and I don't

1206
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,439
Speaker 1: have to worry about it. It's not like I didn't

1207
01:06:21,480 --> 01:06:22,960
Speaker 1: have to write him a list on how to be

1208
01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: like how to take care of the baby. Like he

1209
01:06:25,680 --> 01:06:28,600
Speaker 1: just knows because he's present and he's so I think

1210
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,720
Speaker 1: that that's a really interesting shift in how that's gonna

1211
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:37,160
Speaker 1: like affect that kind of you know, our conseneration, because yeah,

1212
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: on so many not just like where you live, it's everywhere,

1213
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 1: every geography is experiencing dads who are more hands on,

1214
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: more present, you know, because I think that, yeah, well,

1215
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 1: that's that's been a cultural shift that's been going on

1216
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 1: for you know, a little bit of time now. But

1217
01:06:55,960 --> 01:07:00,520
Speaker 1: there's been an evolution of fathers for sure. I mean

1218
01:07:00,640 --> 01:07:03,960
Speaker 1: from the fifties until now. It looks it looks totally

1219
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:07,200
Speaker 1: different for the best part. So we've talked a lot

1220
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 1: about self improvement and unpacking all of our shit. So

1221
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,320
Speaker 1: how do you think you girls could be better sisters

1222
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:19,520
Speaker 1: to each other? Oh? Hm, I could probably. I feel

1223
01:07:19,520 --> 01:07:24,600
Speaker 1: like I tend to. I tend to because I am

1224
01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,160
Speaker 1: so open and vulnerable and because I do talk about

1225
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,959
Speaker 1: everything going on in my life. I can probably take

1226
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 1: a lot of energy, like I need a lot of

1227
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:35,280
Speaker 1: energy from you to help me with the things going on,

1228
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: and so I could probably show more interest. And again

1229
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,240
Speaker 1: it's a matter of opening up on the other side,

1230
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:47,280
Speaker 1: but you know, go deeper with you about what's going

1231
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: on with you instead of it being about me a

1232
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 1: lot of the time, and then maybe playing with the

1233
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,760
Speaker 1: kids even more. Because I'm not great at like playing.

1234
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,920
Speaker 1: I like to do activities, So I'm great at the activities, right,

1235
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,800
Speaker 1: Like let's go for a walk and we'll adventure and

1236
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,880
Speaker 1: we'll do all these cool things, and we'll like scale

1237
01:08:04,920 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: down like the side of a hill and we'll you know,

1238
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,880
Speaker 1: i'll jump on the raft with you on the lake

1239
01:08:09,960 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 1: and make you fall over. And like, I love activities,

1240
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,439
Speaker 1: but like the actual monotonous playing of like let's play dolls.

1241
01:08:18,720 --> 01:08:21,280
Speaker 1: It's funny you say that because that ship is hard.

1242
01:08:21,439 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I mean, I get so tough to play dolls.

1243
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: I'm literally like falling asleep. So I just dolls. So

1244
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 1: maybe I could do a little more of that. Well,

1245
01:08:33,560 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure there's lots of stuff that I

1246
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 1: can be better at, probably doing like more. I mean,

1247
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,599
Speaker 1: I don't know. We like the same stuff. That's hard stuff,

1248
01:08:43,720 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: Like we like a lot of the things. I was

1249
01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 1: going to say, do things you like to do. I'm like, okay,

1250
01:08:47,040 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: I like to do those same things. And I was

1251
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:53,400
Speaker 1: gonna say, be spontaneous when you want to go somewhere

1252
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:56,600
Speaker 1: and I'm like, why cant I do that too? I

1253
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 1: don't tell me how I know that's not the game,

1254
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:03,920
Speaker 1: all right, my game? Then I feel like, Okay, you

1255
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: guys the one time having a family, so you guys

1256
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: have this, is it giving you like in the moment,

1257
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 1: maybe where I could be better at is like because you're,

1258
01:09:15,240 --> 01:09:19,920
Speaker 1: you know, so strong, and you're definitive about things challenging

1259
01:09:19,960 --> 01:09:22,479
Speaker 1: you a little bit more when things come up, like

1260
01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: if I feel it, I feel like I should probably

1261
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 1: be better at letting that out sooner, like it usually

1262
01:09:28,920 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: comes out like I'll usually tell her my truth and

1263
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 1: I'm feel like I'm pretty honest with her, but maybe

1264
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,200
Speaker 1: not right then, like I might need time to think

1265
01:09:37,240 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 1: about it for a little bit or wait for a

1266
01:09:39,880 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: different opportunity for things to come up. So I feel

1267
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 1: like that could probably be well. In fact, that was

1268
01:09:44,920 --> 01:09:46,720
Speaker 1: what I was actually thinking, is she could probably be

1269
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,880
Speaker 1: a little more down the barrel with me. But I

1270
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 1: think the reason why you maybe reserved that, why you

1271
01:09:51,320 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: didn't say that, is because you have been a little

1272
01:09:53,400 --> 01:09:56,720
Speaker 1: bit better about that. But you could still. You can

1273
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:59,320
Speaker 1: just tell me, you can. You can be as blunt

1274
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: as you want with me. It can be as blunt

1275
01:10:01,080 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 1: as I am with people. When I am with people

1276
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 1: with me, it's quite an invitation, all right, Oliver and

1277
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: I let's see, Oh we have to do it? Yes, family,

1278
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: I could say, let's see what could I do better?

1279
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: I could be more attentive to what he does, meaning

1280
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:28,800
Speaker 1: like actually watch the things that he does, and and

1281
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: like I haven't even I don't even care about I

1282
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:33,559
Speaker 1: don't even care about that, I know, but it would

1283
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:36,439
Speaker 1: it would make me feel better because I feel like

1284
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 1: I have so much going on, and then like I'll

1285
01:10:39,560 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 1: see a little bit of it and I'll love it.

1286
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,720
Speaker 1: But then like I'm not, like and I'm not as

1287
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: invested in the things that Oliver's doing as much as

1288
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 1: I wish I was or could be, you know. And

1289
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:54,519
Speaker 1: I would say, the only thing is is with COVID,

1290
01:10:54,520 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: it's just been a little weird because there's you know,

1291
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:01,000
Speaker 1: it's like usually like we're super good with the kids,

1292
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 1: Like we're always in each each other's kids lives. The

1293
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:10,280
Speaker 1: kids will come to my house his house. And I

1294
01:11:10,320 --> 01:11:20,920
Speaker 1: guess I could also be I need more money, Oh god, yeah,

1295
01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,560
Speaker 1: I could be more generous. You need to put a

1296
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:28,640
Speaker 1: bigger price on your on your free, free loving brother babysitting.

1297
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:30,519
Speaker 1: It needs to be a bigger price tag on that

1298
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 1: right exactly exactly start charging well, mine, mine, mine, Mine

1299
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:42,280
Speaker 1: is similar to Brook like I for me, I I

1300
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:46,320
Speaker 1: wish I was more down the barrel with you, meaning

1301
01:11:46,720 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 1: and I'm getting better at it. But again, Kate's tough.

1302
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,840
Speaker 1: You know, Kate is opinionated, and sometimes it's easier just

1303
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: to say, oh, fuck it, you know, like fuck it.

1304
01:11:59,200 --> 01:12:00,720
Speaker 1: It's not even I don't want to deal with it.

1305
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:04,160
Speaker 1: But that's not the right way to operate. So that

1306
01:12:04,200 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: would be my thing, is just to be more down

1307
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: the barrel with Kate and say what I feel, and

1308
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,519
Speaker 1: you know, whatever happens happens. But at least I am

1309
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:19,120
Speaker 1: getting out my truth to her in that moment, because

1310
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:22,639
Speaker 1: I am a very laid back, you know, water off

1311
01:12:22,680 --> 01:12:25,599
Speaker 1: the back guy, where it's just sort of like, yeah, whatever, well,

1312
01:12:25,680 --> 01:12:28,639
Speaker 1: that's what he likes to try, and that's good. That's

1313
01:12:28,680 --> 01:12:31,240
Speaker 1: good sometimes, but a lot of the times that's it's

1314
01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 1: it can be detrimental. So that's that's what I would

1315
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:36,760
Speaker 1: That's what I would be. Yeah, this was like more

1316
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,799
Speaker 1: of a therapy session than a podcast. Is so great.

1317
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: Shit I love it. Well, let's do the speed round, Kate.

1318
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 1: I ready one word to describe the other Brook Oracle.

1319
01:12:48,600 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 1: You're very intuitive, Danica, I would say intense, and I

1320
01:12:53,040 --> 01:12:56,599
Speaker 1: mean that in a loving way. Intense about everything, intense

1321
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 1: about great things, intense about just it's it's like her

1322
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:05,400
Speaker 1: love is intense. You know, it's a good it's a

1323
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: good word. Who is the who is the favorite child?

1324
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: I will say our parents were very very good about

1325
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:19,320
Speaker 1: not picking favorites. And I've always said, like, you know,

1326
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:22,120
Speaker 1: Danica just happened to be on the path of racing

1327
01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:27,400
Speaker 1: and it required a lot of time, money, everything resources.

1328
01:13:27,720 --> 01:13:30,680
Speaker 1: Our whole family was around it, and it would have

1329
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 1: been exactly the same if I was driving, Like I

1330
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: truly feel that way. So they were they were very

1331
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: good about never making it to be Danica this or

1332
01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:45,200
Speaker 1: you know, just because she was famous, like there was.

1333
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 1: There was very good boundaries there. Who got into more

1334
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: trouble as a kid? Oh? Danka did? I did? Yeh?

1335
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:58,600
Speaker 1: Who was Bossier? Well? I know that answer. Yeah, I

1336
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:02,800
Speaker 1: mean clearly dan through more temper cantons though, yeah, that

1337
01:14:02,960 --> 01:14:06,120
Speaker 1: was me. You were such a more dramatic I had

1338
01:14:06,160 --> 01:14:09,000
Speaker 1: a lot of hard time coping. I just had too

1339
01:14:09,080 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 1: much feelings going on. Sometimes I need to lay on

1340
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 1: the floor and kick around, you know, I know the whole,

1341
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,960
Speaker 1: like arms and legs, like thrashing. Sometimes it just needed

1342
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:21,439
Speaker 1: to happen. And now you got it with your little girl, Jordan. Yeah,

1343
01:14:21,439 --> 01:14:23,880
Speaker 1: I have a daughter that does the same thing. So

1344
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,320
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, who was more outgoing? I would

1345
01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:32,360
Speaker 1: say Danico was outgoing? Yeah, I was. Brooke was a

1346
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:35,000
Speaker 1: little bit of a homebody. I'd come back from being

1347
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:38,759
Speaker 1: gone in England for months and I'd be I'd already

1348
01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 1: be out that night that I got home with my

1349
01:14:40,840 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 1: friends and I couldn't I couldn't cope with that. I

1350
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: was literally like, we like, you, weren't you home? I'm like,

1351
01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:50,360
Speaker 1: because you didn't asked me to be home, they asked

1352
01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 1: me to go out. Yeah, who gives better advice? M

1353
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 1: I'd say Brooke. I think Brooke gives better advice. I

1354
01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: don't know if it's because I need more or not,

1355
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:09,920
Speaker 1: but and I'd say that, I'd say, you give better advice.

1356
01:15:11,160 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 1: But I think also because she's so down the barrel

1357
01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: that she she can give hard advice, where sometimes that's

1358
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:22,960
Speaker 1: not easy for people to do. Who calls the other more?

1359
01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 1: I'd say, you call me a little more. Yeah, who's

1360
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:32,280
Speaker 1: the better texter? Uh, we're both, I'd say, we're both

1361
01:15:32,280 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 1: pretty good at texting, and we've got a lot of

1362
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: common friends too, so we'll be in different text threads

1363
01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: with them or you know, dming funny pictures or something.

1364
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: So what about first celebrity crush? Oh you remember mine,

1365
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:54,519
Speaker 1: don't you? Oh? Leonardo DiCaprio urge. Yeah, she was from

1366
01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 1: Like my dad was a little worried that she was

1367
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,400
Speaker 1: taking this Romeo and Juliette thing too soon, like the

1368
01:16:01,439 --> 01:16:03,639
Speaker 1: like she he was a little bit worried about this.

1369
01:16:03,720 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 1: It was serious or Titanic. She went to go see

1370
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: Titanic like four hundred times, ten times before it came out.

1371
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: In what about Brooks first crush? I've always liked justin Timberlake. Oh,

1372
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 1: oh my god. There had been earlier, but I can't remember.

1373
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: Not really. I never was like that. I was never

1374
01:16:28,280 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: like that. Did were you? Did you like him like

1375
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:32,720
Speaker 1: boy band yours? Or was this more like you know,

1376
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,160
Speaker 1: gone solo GT Like? I was definitely Frosty Tipper like

1377
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:40,479
Speaker 1: I could. I was an in syncer the denim on denim,

1378
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 1: curly frosty tips era. Yeah. Uh, who could talk their

1379
01:16:48,040 --> 01:16:52,120
Speaker 1: way out of a ticket? Well, Dan, you ever gotten

1380
01:16:52,160 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 1: a speeding ticket? I'm waiting to him. I just tell

1381
01:16:55,560 --> 01:16:59,519
Speaker 1: him it's not her, it's not not me. I get him. No,

1382
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 1: it's me. Yeah, I get them. I just hope that

1383
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,880
Speaker 1: they recognize who I am or look at my license,

1384
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 1: because you can't tell them right, you can't do that.

1385
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:10,400
Speaker 1: You can't be like, don't you know what? You cannot

1386
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:13,120
Speaker 1: do that. It's just not okay. So you just hope

1387
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:15,400
Speaker 1: to God when they have their they take your license

1388
01:17:15,400 --> 01:17:19,720
Speaker 1: and their back in their car, that they go, huh.

1389
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:23,040
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've had that right where officers are Wait,

1390
01:17:24,479 --> 01:17:26,800
Speaker 1: it's happened a couple of times, but they've also not

1391
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:32,800
Speaker 1: cared many times. So something your sister's really bad at.

1392
01:17:33,400 --> 01:17:35,880
Speaker 1: I I don't know what you're really bad at. I

1393
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:43,799
Speaker 1: feel like we're pretty coordinated, physical, capable. Rational. Can you sing?

1394
01:17:43,880 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: Can you draw? Can you? Oh? Okay, she's like I

1395
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:54,600
Speaker 1: can sing really good. No, I mean she can't. I

1396
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,960
Speaker 1: can't drive the speed limit. I mean, I don't know

1397
01:17:56,960 --> 01:18:02,400
Speaker 1: if that's really Oh I got one. Uh, she's not.

1398
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 1: It's not so great at golf. I'm not that great

1399
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:09,320
Speaker 1: at golf, I'm gonna say golf game. I guess we

1400
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,360
Speaker 1: tend to only do things that we really are naturally

1401
01:18:11,400 --> 01:18:14,680
Speaker 1: okay at right, So otherwise if we suck at it,

1402
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:20,479
Speaker 1: we don't do it. Who's the better cook? Yeah, like

1403
01:18:20,600 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 1: she she's a very good cook, So no, that's not

1404
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,519
Speaker 1: even close. Who's more organized? Well, I'm gonna have to

1405
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,000
Speaker 1: say that just because of the level of complexity and

1406
01:18:31,360 --> 01:18:33,640
Speaker 1: layers and things that I have going on in my

1407
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 1: life now, I do have help, but I would say

1408
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,439
Speaker 1: that I have to stay pretty friggin organized because of

1409
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:42,719
Speaker 1: everything going on. But then again, I don't have three

1410
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,880
Speaker 1: kids and three dogs and you know what I mean.

1411
01:18:46,040 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 1: So I think we both have that tendency to be

1412
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:51,720
Speaker 1: to keep keep shit pretty organized. Who can keep a

1413
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:57,800
Speaker 1: better secret? Probably Brooke? Yeah, maybe not. Yeah, I think

1414
01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: that I think that there's it's easy to keep a

1415
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:02,559
Speaker 1: seat from the places it's not supposed to be for

1416
01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 1: both of us, But I don't think that we had

1417
01:19:04,760 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 1: the capability either of us to keep it from nobody.

1418
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 1: What is the music of your childhood? I mean, you

1419
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: guys are to stay around the same age, so like

1420
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 1: if you were to say a band like what is

1421
01:19:14,680 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: that band? Well, I mean Queen. But then if we

1422
01:19:18,360 --> 01:19:20,559
Speaker 1: were to go another band of our childhood to be

1423
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:24,960
Speaker 1: like you know, Britney Spears and sinc oh, like we

1424
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,920
Speaker 1: did like TLC and then we'll see don't go chase

1425
01:19:27,960 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 1: some waterfalls. Yeah, we need a teal Ce band like

1426
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 1: the yellow Convertible. What was it? Nelly Nelly? Oh yeah,

1427
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:44,599
Speaker 1: and Pink's early early stuff so good. If you could

1428
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 1: eat one food forever only, if you could only eat

1429
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,400
Speaker 1: one food forever, what would it be? I used to

1430
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:55,519
Speaker 1: say eggs for me, like uh, but then I did

1431
01:19:55,640 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 1: enough food test that said it was an intolerance. But

1432
01:19:57,960 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: I guess I could live off of eggs if I

1433
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:01,120
Speaker 1: only had one food. Who gives a shit if it's

1434
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:06,920
Speaker 1: inflammatory exactly, it's absolutely gonna be in the breakfast category.

1435
01:20:07,160 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: My first thought is, I mean, it's my death row meal,

1436
01:20:09,960 --> 01:20:14,599
Speaker 1: last meal. I love pancakes. I freaking love I'm gonna

1437
01:20:14,600 --> 01:20:16,240
Speaker 1: make us some pancakes when we're done with the same.

1438
01:20:16,360 --> 01:20:19,640
Speaker 1: That's actually what we in the summers, like when we

1439
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 1: were old enough to stay home, like we literally alternated

1440
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 1: between one day it'd be pancakes and I was a

1441
01:20:25,160 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: pancake maker. She was the French toastmaker, and I like

1442
01:20:30,160 --> 01:20:34,840
Speaker 1: breakfast is my jam. Yeah yeah, coffee or tea, coffee

1443
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: cake or donuts, cake cake, vodka or tequila tequila. I'd

1444
01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:50,599
Speaker 1: probably pick vodka. Nice. I'm glad Winter, summer, summer, I like.

1445
01:20:51,080 --> 01:20:53,519
Speaker 1: I like them both. I'm like, really, not one that

1446
01:20:53,720 --> 01:20:58,600
Speaker 1: gets affected by cold weather. I'm I'm gonna no, I

1447
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:03,639
Speaker 1: can do either one on yours. I'm supposed to faster winter,

1448
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:06,040
Speaker 1: live in the past or live in the future. I'm

1449
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:11,960
Speaker 1: a future Terrian. I future cast everything the future, shower

1450
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: or bath shower, beetles or stones, stones really, yeah, I'm

1451
01:21:21,640 --> 01:21:26,280
Speaker 1: not a Beatles, Like every time I heard like this, Oh,

1452
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:33,160
Speaker 1: why it's Beatles that New York or l A, I guess,

1453
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:40,599
Speaker 1: I guess La New York Salty or sweet sweet beach

1454
01:21:40,680 --> 01:21:52,080
Speaker 1: or mountains, mountains, mountains, sports car or escalate honestly, I

1455
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,439
Speaker 1: might escalate to be honest, not the sports car. It's

1456
01:21:55,479 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: not functional. It's very true. Uh all right, Kay, Let's

1457
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 1: ask the final question that we ask every everybody. It's

1458
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: a two parter. So if you could take one thing

1459
01:22:10,840 --> 01:22:15,679
Speaker 1: from your sibling as your own, something that you admire

1460
01:22:15,720 --> 01:22:18,439
Speaker 1: about them something that you might lack that you wish

1461
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,640
Speaker 1: you could have. What would that be? And then the

1462
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: second part is what would you take away from them?

1463
01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:28,519
Speaker 1: What would you alleviate from them in their lives to

1464
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:32,360
Speaker 1: make to make their existence just a little bit better.

1465
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:40,519
Speaker 1: I would pick her fearlessness, like that's never a barrier

1466
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:47,160
Speaker 1: for her. And if I could alleviate one thing, oh,

1467
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:54,200
Speaker 1: I just meant that heart, you know, I would probably

1468
01:22:54,360 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 1: take your your partnership, your true love, and I would

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Speaker 1: alleviate I would want to, honestly, like it might be superficial,

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Speaker 1: but I would alleviate any financial worry, Like I'd want

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Speaker 1: to just give you the ability to live the life

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Speaker 1: that you want in an integrity of course, not like

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Speaker 1: buying stupid things, but to make sure that you never

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Speaker 1: had to sacrifice for yourselves each other. Perhaps it might

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Speaker 1: be like a getaway that you want to do, or

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Speaker 1: something for your kids or school, whatever it is, like,

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Speaker 1: I just never want you to worry about that. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think my bags are lighter, guys. That's you know,

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Speaker 1: that's that's always dry for Sibling Revelry is executive produced

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Speaker 1: by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson Producer is Alison Presnik,

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Speaker 1: editor is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark Hudson aka Uncle

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Speaker 1: Mark ha