1 00:00:04,040 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Bryce Harper and welcome to the Billy Show. 2 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: Rubin Tomorrow, Junior, Jim Salisbury, Todd's leckey. 3 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: It's a Philly show. 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 2: It's Thursday, January fifteenth, twenty twenty six. Ruben and Jim, 5 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: you look great as always. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: Thank you. How about the get ups you got going? 7 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: Nice pullover, Todd, nice t shirt, James. 8 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: Look at us, Look at us, Look at us. 9 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:32,159 Speaker 1: Guys. 10 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: Everybody is waiting and wondering. 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 1: Bo Baschett, So were we? 12 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,199 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, quick little recap and then I want to 13 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 2: get what you guys think. The Phillies and Bob Baschett 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: meet on Monday. It went well. It went well by 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: all accounts. They have talked since then. It's not like hey, Monday, 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 2: we'll talk to you next week. They've had they've talked 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: since then, and it's funny how much things can change 18 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: in a few days. Last Thursday, when the Kual and 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 2: Fair Territories, Ken Rosenthal first reported that they were meeting, 20 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,200 Speaker 2: My conversations is like a lot of obstacles. There's a 21 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 2: path to make this happen. Maybe a little bit of 22 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: a long shot, man, probably a long shot. After the meeting, though, 23 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:20,119 Speaker 2: on Monday, people are now cautiously optimistic. They think, oh boy, 24 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 2: there really is a path to make this happen. Still 25 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: a lot of obstacles to overcome. But what do you 26 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,039 Speaker 2: guys hear? What do you guys think right now as 27 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 2: of Thursday morning with where Boba shit and the Phillies stand. 28 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,839 Speaker 3: Barney Rubble, he's my favorite actor. 29 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 4: You know, it's funny because this is so JT is 30 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 4: so part of this uh you know, narrative here, And 31 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 4: it feels like you remember when they got JT. Like 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,800 Speaker 4: he was never on the radar all winter long, was 33 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:56,919 Speaker 4: the Mets, the Reds, the Dodgers, the Braves. 34 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 5: He was gonna be one of those teams. 35 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 4: And then you know he was out there, never on 36 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:03,360 Speaker 4: that radar, and then all of a sudden. 37 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 5: He's in Philadelphia. 38 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 4: This story is really reminded me of that where look, 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 4: Bobachett was out there. 40 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 5: We fantasized the bottom. 41 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 4: A little bit right handed bat good hitter would look 42 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 4: great in this lineup. I think we fantasized the bottom 43 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: and all all fall and into the winter. But he 44 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:29,120 Speaker 4: was never like a priority item for the Phillies. He 45 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 4: heard other teams. Now all of a sudden. You know, 46 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 4: Bregman signs the Red Sox get range of Suarez, So 47 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 4: they're looking for a bat, but they might trade for 48 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 4: a bat. It might not be signing like a Bobachette, 49 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 4: you hear, he might not be going back to Toronto 50 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: all of a sudden. 51 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 5: It's feeling like all roads. 52 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 4: Lead to Philadelphia, Like that's the available chair that he's 53 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 4: going to land in, so and like much like that 54 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 4: JT winter when all the chairs disappeared and he was 55 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: in Philadelphia. So gosh, I mean, it just feels like 56 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 4: we know there's something there. 57 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,480 Speaker 5: We know it, right. 58 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,799 Speaker 4: It just feels like he could end up here. And 59 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:11,880 Speaker 4: if he doesn't, there's so much juice in the city 60 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 4: for him. Right now, there's gonna be some serious disappointment. 61 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 4: But you know, watching that Tucker thing, which could come 62 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 4: down really here in the short term, and that might 63 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 4: fuel a bow Baschett signing. 64 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 5: We'll see. 65 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 4: I think, you know, the Phillies obviously have changed their 66 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 4: course and said, okay, well we'll move on from JT 67 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 4: if we can get Bashett, And I think, honestly, I 68 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 4: think they would find a way to go two hundred million. 69 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 5: You think that'll be enough, Ruben. 70 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: Well, I think that it sounds like they're willing to 71 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:48,320 Speaker 1: be go length. 72 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 6: I mean, they've done it with other players obviously, ten 73 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 6: eleven years, et cetera, on some big Boys, five on Schwarps. 74 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: I think it's realistic. 75 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 6: And the reason why I think it's realistic just having 76 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 6: known David asking how he goes about his business. He's 77 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 6: not He's not going to have a meeting and he's 78 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 6: not going to have these discussions without being really serious 79 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 6: about his interest. 80 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: That's not how he works. 81 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 6: And you know, John Middleton wants his he wants his 82 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 6: trophy back, and. 83 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 1: They may over extend to make this happen. I just don't. 84 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: I think that they probably at. 85 00:04:27,440 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 6: Some point realized they can't you know, quote unquote run 86 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 6: the same lineup back. 87 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: They probably know that there's some a little bit more 88 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: question some question marks in their rotation that it may 89 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: not be quite as strong. So maybe they do have 90 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: to get a little bit better offense offensively. 91 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 6: Regardless, I just think that there's a lot of things 92 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 6: that are aligning right now to get them to the 93 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 6: point where, you know what, we have a real pathway. 94 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: To get a dynamic player. 95 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 7: To you know, sort of refuel the fan base in 96 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 7: some way, and to refuel this team, because he's the 97 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 7: personality and the quality and the ability that sort of 98 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 7: fits everything that they're trying to do or I think 99 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:24,479 Speaker 7: that they want to do in a player. 100 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 1: Does this preclude them from doing JT? It could, It 101 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,599 Speaker 1: might not. 102 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 6: It might not, only because, as you putting it out 103 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 6: many times before, Jim and and so they got money 104 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 6: coming off after this year. They may they may be 105 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 6: willing to take a very heavy financial hit this year 106 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 6: knowing that later on there might be a reset in 107 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 6: the luxury tax, there may be a reset in a 108 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 6: lot of different ways, and that they might be able 109 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 6: to put themselves in a position to be to lengthen 110 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 6: that that window of quality offensive players, meshing it with 111 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 6: the quality of their starting pitching and bullpen now which 112 00:06:09,160 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 6: has been fortified quite significantly. 113 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 1: I think it's a I think it's a good. 114 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 6: Space to be in right now if you're a Philadelphia fan, 115 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 6: and I think it would be a little bit of 116 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 6: a disappointment for the fans if both does not come 117 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:23,240 Speaker 6: to Philadelphia. 118 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 5: I want both, Ruben, I want both. 119 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: I want both also, and I think that there's a 120 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 1: pathway Whip it's not our money, and I think there's 121 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: a pathway to do it, and I. 122 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 6: Honestly would not be surprised if both JT and Bobashett 123 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:41,200 Speaker 6: are on that roster. 124 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 1: Come you know, February eleventh, when they go pitchers and catchers. 125 00:06:45,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: And you guys know how much things can change. I 126 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 2: say this all the time. One text, one phone call, 127 00:06:50,600 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: one conversation, one spirited email to ownership. You know, I 128 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:59,559 Speaker 2: always think back to Rubin, your former assistant, Jim the great. 129 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: Scott pro Frock sent a letter, an email really to 130 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: Dave Montgomery at the time, saying you need to step up. 131 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: We have an opportunity here. Give us a little more money, 132 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: we can sign Cliff Lee, and we can have one 133 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 2: of the greatest rotations in baseball history. I can see 134 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: a situation right absolutely on paper that is still this 135 00:07:24,000 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 2: best single season performance by any rotation in baseball history. 136 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 2: If you believe in fangrafts war. 137 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 3: And Dave Dombroski ability, you're right about pro Frock. 138 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:41,239 Speaker 4: Scott pro Frock, our friend, our buddy, former Phillies assistant 139 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 4: cham with Ruben very persuasive in that argument pitched to 140 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 4: Dave Montgomery and Ownership Dave Dombroski very persuasive as well 141 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 4: when it comes to convincing ownership to push it, and 142 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 4: when he gets a star in his crosshairs, he a 143 00:08:01,920 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 4: lot of times doesn't let up. 144 00:08:05,520 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 3: And that's why I love them. 145 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:10,120 Speaker 1: You know, cuts sort of from the same cloth. When 146 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: you know I, you know, when you have guys that. 147 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 6: Have done it and been there and had the success 148 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 6: and can and can be true difference makers, why not 149 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 6: be aggressive with them? 150 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 1: Why again? 151 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 2: So like going back to last week and talk going 152 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 2: back to like how quickly things can change? Last week, 153 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 2: my understanding was it is a binary situation. You get 154 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: Bobachett or you get JT. Real mute. You cannot do both. 155 00:08:37,559 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 2: But I agree with you guys that there is a 156 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: pathway to make this happen. So for example, say the 157 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 2: Phillies come to agreement with Bobachett eight years a little 158 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 2: over two hundred million or around two hundred million. Can't 159 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: you see Dave Dombrowski going in there, going John JT 160 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 2: is still out there? Do we really want to take 161 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: a step back behind the plate this guy, Zach. I 162 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 2: just talked with Zach Wheeler downstairs in the clubhouse. He's rehabbing, 163 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: and he is so pissed that that JT might not 164 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: be back. We can get him for X amount of years, 165 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 2: X amount of dollars will take the hit. You got 166 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 2: cast Daniels off the books, next year, you got Walker 167 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: off the books next year. We can make this work, John, 168 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 2: can't we make this work? And I can see him going, 169 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 2: all right, maybe we can make this work so. 170 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: Real, real quick. 171 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,560 Speaker 2: I want to mention, if you're watching us on YouTube, 172 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:36,640 Speaker 2: hit the subscribe button. 173 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 1: Don't forget. 174 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 2: We appreciate the sport and I always go to the 175 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 2: Phillies show shop dot com and and support the show. 176 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:44,960 Speaker 1: So let's talk. 177 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:46,080 Speaker 5: I want to talk. 178 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,640 Speaker 2: I want to talk more about JT and where things 179 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 2: stand with him before we get the jten. Where things 180 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 2: stand with him? The top competitors for Bobaschett right now, 181 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 2: how do we see it now? The Red Sox on 182 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 2: Wednesday just signed Ranger Suarez to a five year, one 183 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 2: hundred and thirty million dollar deal, So maybe they're now 184 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,320 Speaker 2: they're out on on Boba sheet or maybe they're less 185 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 2: likely to sign him. The Blue Jays have been kind 186 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:16,200 Speaker 2: of out on Bobachette because they've been focused on Kyle Tucker. 187 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 2: But if you all the reports right now, say the 188 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 2: Mets and the Dodgers are throwing some huge numbers at 189 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 2: them on short term deals. So hypothetically, say the Mets 190 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: signed Kyle Tucker for four. 191 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: Years two hundred million. 192 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 2: Now the Blue Jays maybe pivot and go back and 193 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 2: circle back on Bobachett. You have the Yankees, the Dodgers, 194 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 2: the Blue Jays, the Red Sox. Where do you guys 195 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 2: have any thoughts on any of those options in terms 196 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:47,360 Speaker 2: of who Phillies fans should maybe be keeping their eye 197 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: on the most. 198 00:10:49,080 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 4: I'd keep my eye on all of the above, and 199 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 4: I would even add the Mets to the Bobachette list 200 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 4: if they don't get Tucker. 201 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,079 Speaker 5: I mean, I know they're not being mentioned, but. 202 00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 4: I mean you have Brett Bay and Vianto's at third base. 203 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,439 Speaker 4: I mean I could see them saying, hey, we're gonna 204 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 4: go after a bat over there in Boba Schett. I mean, 205 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 4: I don't know if it's likely or not, but Toronto, 206 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 4: I hear mixed signals. If Tucker's not in play, maybe 207 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,280 Speaker 4: he goes back there. But I've also heard maybe the 208 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:19,840 Speaker 4: relationship has run its course. Dodgers could go after him 209 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 4: and pay him a bunch of money to play second 210 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,360 Speaker 4: base on a short term move Edmund out. 211 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 5: To the outfield. 212 00:11:26,920 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 4: Boston is a tricky one because their acquisition of Ranger 213 00:11:33,400 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 4: gives them starting pitching depth that they you know, they 214 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: want an infielder, but they could take that starting pitching 215 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 4: depth and turn it into an infielder via a trade. 216 00:11:42,440 --> 00:11:42,719 Speaker 5: I don't know. 217 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 4: If they're gonna spend more money, more big money on 218 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 4: free agency. Maybe that works in the Phillies advantage favor 219 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 4: because they'll get the infielder in a trade. You know, 220 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:53,120 Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean the Yankees. I think so 221 00:11:53,280 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 4: much of it depends on a lot of it depends 222 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 4: on where Tucker does not end up. 223 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 5: We'll see. 224 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 6: I always get concerned about the Dodgers number one, just 225 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 6: because they this type of player sort of fits exactly 226 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:12,199 Speaker 6: what the Dodgers want, a winning type player, the attitude, 227 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 6: the passion with which he plays, and I can see 228 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 6: Andrew Freeman going going aggressive on him, and that's a concern. 229 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: And you know, they don't have a whole lot of 230 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: limits as. 231 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 6: Far as dollars are concerned, so that makes it that's 232 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 6: concerning Boston concerns me some, but they I just I 233 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:40,720 Speaker 6: just feel like when the Phillies have, especially the last 234 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 6: couple of years, have had their mindset or I set 235 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 6: on someone, I would be surprised if they get sort 236 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 6: of outbid. 237 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: And I mean, let's face it, this is an attractive 238 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: place to play. You've got great players on a team 239 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: that's one very consistent over the last several years, with 240 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:06,240 Speaker 1: a real chance to win uh A World Series. 241 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 6: And I gotta believe that all those things intertwined give 242 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 6: us the Phillies a real advantage. 243 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: To uh, you know, to beat. And I don't say 244 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's gonna happen. 245 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 6: It doesn't happen till the man signs on the dotted line. 246 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 6: But I do believe that there's a very good I 247 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 6: thought it was over fifty percent right now, just having 248 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,040 Speaker 6: seen what's going on around the industry, I'm gonna stay 249 00:13:31,080 --> 00:13:32,120 Speaker 6: closer to seventy percent. 250 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: He's gonna sign him. So how about this? This is 251 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: I mean, this is a factor. It's not gonna be 252 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 1: the final factor. 253 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: But you know, Bobaschat obviously has come up his entire 254 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 2: play played with the Blue Jays entire career. They have 255 00:13:43,800 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 2: spring training in Dunedin, Florida. Boba Schett lives in the 256 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: offseason in the Saint Pete area. Kind of reminds me 257 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: a little bit of and I'm not saying exactly, but 258 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 2: it reminds me of when Roy Hall they want to created, 259 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 2: He's like, I live here. I want to go to 260 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 2: the Yankees or the Phillies. That's the only two. Now 261 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: he has more freedom to go wherever he wants because 262 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 2: he's a free agent, but maybe he wants to stay 263 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: a little close to home. It's nice sleeping in your 264 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 2: own bed and spring training and get those extra six 265 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 2: seven weeks every year. 266 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 4: Now do you think the there AAV. 267 00:14:22,120 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 3: At thirty five. 268 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 4: I know it's just five year deal, but the Bregman 269 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 4: AAV of thirty five affects what Bau and his agent 270 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 4: will be looking for in terms of the AAV because 271 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 4: there's a lot of you know, they're comparable in a 272 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 4: lot of ways, but Baul bring, you know, four years younger, 273 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 4: so you know, would Bau want something like would you 274 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 4: want thirty million per year? In that case, you know 275 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 4: seven years times thirty is two hundred and ten million. 276 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 4: I could see the Phillies doing that, I really could. 277 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's such a in a tough position because I 278 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 6: have so many thirty million dollar players. 279 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 5: On where they are. 280 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,320 Speaker 6: It's an organization, but it's not an impossible, it's not 281 00:15:12,360 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 6: an impossibility. I do think that Bregman's AAV does draw 282 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 6: him up. I thought that Bregman's AAV was going to 283 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 6: be between a twenty five and a thirty in the 284 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 6: twenty seven range. 285 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 1: Still may. 286 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 6: But again, at the end of the day, it may 287 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 6: end up being length and it doesn't seem like. 288 00:15:30,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: The Phillies are averse to going lengthy. 289 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 2: I guess the argument if you're the Phillies you can 290 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,880 Speaker 2: make this pitch, right, is that a lot of Bregman's 291 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 2: money was deferred, so it lowers the AAV for salary 292 00:15:43,720 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: tax purposes. Correct, I believe, or you know, you can 293 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,680 Speaker 2: at least make that argument, like, well, it's not present 294 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 2: day value at the very least. I know he's getting 295 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,960 Speaker 2: thirty five, but he's not really getting thirty five. So 296 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,240 Speaker 2: maybe we can meet halfway, or maybe we can get 297 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 2: it down closer at that twenty five million dollars. But 298 00:16:00,560 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 2: I yeah, it complicates things maybe a little bit. 299 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:07,160 Speaker 4: And you know you like, it's it's all about the 300 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 4: now for the Phillies. I know it would be a 301 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 4: long term deal, but yeah, you got to win now, 302 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 4: like twenty six, twenty seven because and I will. 303 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 6: Never forget like some of the things that John's Middleton 304 00:16:19,520 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 6: said about being a you know, legacy type franchise, you know, 305 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 6: being an all time like you think you think about 306 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 6: like the the greatest franchises in the National League, and 307 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 6: you're thinking probably the Cardinals right as far as just winning, 308 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 6: and now it's the Dodgers, right, it's the Dodgers in 309 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 6: the car. That's where John Middleton wants to be. He 310 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:51,359 Speaker 6: wants to be viewed as a legacy in the industry 311 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 6: and a legacy owner. 312 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: This could help him get there for sure. 313 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 4: Because it's not just like this twinkly star that you 314 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 4: know is out there. 315 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 3: It's a star that fits your biggest need. 316 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 4: Right handed guy who puts the bat on the ball, 317 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 4: drives in the runs, can hit it over the wall, 318 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 4: get hit it in the gap. So a right handed 319 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 4: bat that is going to help bring out the best 320 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 4: in some of your left handed studs. 321 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 2: And imagine if they bring JT back as well, which 322 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 2: again as of last week, it was like, now one 323 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: or the other. Now, maybe there is a path. Okay, 324 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 2: so let's go back. Let's talk a little bit more 325 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 2: about JT. So before the Winter meetings, the Phillies. 326 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: Made an offer to JT. 327 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was a two year deal, 328 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 2: three year deal, whatever, but they thought it was a 329 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 2: legitimate offer that, you know, might be the best offer 330 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:45,360 Speaker 2: that he might get all off season. That was kind 331 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 2: of the feeling at the time. Obviously, JT disagreed. He's 332 00:17:49,080 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 2: coming off that five year, one hundred and fifteen point 333 00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 2: five million dollars deal AAV twenty three point one. He 334 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 2: does not wanted to take a real significant pay cut 335 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,800 Speaker 2: from that number, even though he's thirty five and he's 336 00:18:00,840 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 2: coming off his worst offensive year. Jim You said, the 337 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 2: market has changed, and the market absolutely now, Jim You 338 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 2: said on and We're nothing had really moved since the 339 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 2: winter meetings. Jim You said on December twenty second, on 340 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: a December twenty second show that the Phillies and Real 341 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 2: Muta were playing a game of chicken. And then you 342 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 2: also have been talking for the last past few weeks 343 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 2: about the three year offer being on the table. 344 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: He might end up signing three offer. 345 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 2: What can you tell us about Can you tell us 346 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: anything more about where things stand? 347 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 5: No, I've been hearing for several weeks. 348 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 4: It's that they've made a three year offer. But the 349 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: sticking point is the money. And the three year offer 350 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 4: i've heard is south of forty five million, which may 351 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 4: or may not be a significant number because everything I 352 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 4: hear is he would like to, you know, be paid 353 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 4: closer to twenty million, So you know, they have work 354 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 4: to do to to you know, bridge that gap, and 355 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 4: JT is you know, like I said, Game of Chicken, 356 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 4: the Phillies don't want to bid against themselves. I think 357 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: they're pretty certain there's not a huge market. Though from 358 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 4: what I hear, JT does have a landing spot. If 359 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 4: it doesn't work out here, I'm. 360 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 3: Sure that's probably a one year deal. 361 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 4: You think about teams that might need to catch er, 362 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,639 Speaker 4: Tampa Bay comes to mind. But I think this is 363 00:19:17,680 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 4: the place he wants to be. I know this is 364 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 4: the place he wants to be. 365 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:22,400 Speaker 5: We all know that. 366 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:26,080 Speaker 4: But it's not a matter of the years, because they 367 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,680 Speaker 4: have shown that they're willing to go to three. It's 368 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 4: a matter of what the number is. 369 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 6: Yeah, and I don't necessarily agree with going to three. 370 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 6: But if they've gone to three, they've gone to three. 371 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 6: The question is, if they do sign. 372 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,680 Speaker 1: Bobashet do they change their offer or do they pull 373 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: the offer. Yeah, that's the real question that I have. 374 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 6: If they do sign Bobaschett, and are they having those 375 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,040 Speaker 6: conversations with JT and or When I say JT, not necessarily, 376 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 6: JT is representative that if they do make this move, 377 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 6: I don't think they're doing it as a threat. 378 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: This is not a game. 379 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:05,399 Speaker 5: Just hit better what you know. 380 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 6: Dave Nebowski's job is to put the best possible team 381 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,160 Speaker 6: on the field. 382 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: Under uh and and be fiscally responsible. 383 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,879 Speaker 6: And he's gotta I mean, he's got to get the 384 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 6: approval from his ownership group. 385 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: And I don't think he's playing around. 386 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 6: I don't think he's like doing one versus the other 387 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 6: or anything like that. I think he's trying to make 388 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 6: sure that at the end of the day, he can 389 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 6: put the best team he possibly can on the field. 390 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,919 Speaker 6: And the pursuit of Bobbachette, for me, I've gotten to 391 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 6: the point where I think the team might be better 392 00:20:38,520 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 6: off going with BIET than JT. I would not have 393 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 6: said that before until I started to really analyze you 394 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 6: know what the change might be. If it is indeed 395 00:20:48,840 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 6: an either or that, I'd be willing to go with 396 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,479 Speaker 6: Marshawn and or others to handle the catching position. 397 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 4: I think the gains, the gains you make in the 398 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,840 Speaker 4: lineup with that big need and you know the right 399 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 4: handed bat and with how how good he is, I 400 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 4: think it makes you a better team, even if you 401 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 4: have to take a step back behind the plate. You know, 402 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 4: you bring in Caratini, pair them with Marshawan, you bring 403 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,280 Speaker 4: in Jonah him your pair them with march On, or 404 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 4: you let marsh On ride with it. 405 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:22,479 Speaker 5: We'll see. 406 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 4: But you know, you look at that lineup and what 407 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 4: it would do for you in October. And now I 408 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:32,040 Speaker 4: know a lineup can go cold. The best lineup murderers 409 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 4: row go cold in a two week stretch. 410 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:37,240 Speaker 3: It happens. 411 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 5: It's baseball. 412 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,160 Speaker 4: But I like your chances of staying hot a little 413 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 4: bit more because you know everybody drafts off that right 414 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 4: handed bat in the lineup. 415 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 5: Those left handed bats will benefit from him. 416 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 2: You guys both mentioned Marshaan, What about Victor Carrottini. Garrett 417 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: Stubbs for instance, and then putting including I mean, this 418 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 2: is maybe a dumb idea, but including Marshawn into trade 419 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 2: to maybe get a little bit more money back. You know, 420 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 2: if you deal with Nick Castianos to a team that 421 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: needs a little pop, you know, maybe you get an 422 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 2: extra million or two and maybe I. 423 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 6: Like marsian is a number one if they if JT 424 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:19,960 Speaker 6: doesn't resign, and here's there's a chance, I want to 425 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 6: give him a chance to go out there and catch 426 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 6: on our games. 427 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 4: Here's the problem with banking on getting money back for Castianos. 428 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 4: The whole world knows he's gonna be released. They're just 429 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 4: gonna sit back and wait till they can pay the 430 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 4: league minimum if they have. 431 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 5: Interest in him. 432 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 4: It's gonna be the same thing if you get Pashette. 433 00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 4: Now the whole world knows you have to move home. 434 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 3: And that's going to really affect what you get back. 435 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 4: Right, So, you know these these rival teams that they're 436 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 4: they're schmack. 437 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: Exactly. You know. 438 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 2: I'm wondering though, So the Phillies earlier this week they 439 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 2: got this reliever from the Pirates, a Chase Shoe Guart. 440 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 2: He's got a minor league option remaining, So he's like 441 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: a bullpen candidate, gives them a little bit more bullpen depth. 442 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: And so again they're they're. 443 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 2: At forty players on the forty man roster, and my 444 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 2: immediate thought was, up, next guy they signed there goes 445 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:11,360 Speaker 2: to Castia release them? But is there could be other 446 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:14,160 Speaker 2: guys they maybe take off the forty men if they believe, 447 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,199 Speaker 2: if they believe they could get a million or two 448 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,199 Speaker 2: for Nick Castiana's Do you think that, you know, do 449 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 2: you think they can find somebody and maybe a couple 450 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 2: of teams you could pin against each other just to 451 00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 2: I mean, if the money is so tight right now 452 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 2: and every dollar counts, do they hold on them like 453 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 2: a little bit longer. 454 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 6: There's some teams that are been sort of hand slapped 455 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 6: that might have to like put dollars onto their under 456 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 6: their payroll, the Pittsburgh Pirates and the Tampa Bay Rays 457 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 6: and and uh and other teams, maybe even the Colorado 458 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 6: Rockies whose payrolls are so minimal that they're starting to 459 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 6: get like kind of handslap from the MLB MLBPA that 460 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:56,679 Speaker 6: they may have to take on some money associated with 461 00:23:56,720 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 6: a player like Castianos And so I I wouldn't be 462 00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,720 Speaker 6: surprised that they could get maybe one or two teams. 463 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 6: It only takes two teams to have a little bit 464 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 6: of flexibility. Maybe it saves an extra couple of million, 465 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 6: four million, three million, five million for some of those 466 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 6: teams that one need offense and two need to show 467 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 6: the world that they're trying a little bit better. 468 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 4: Question posing to you both. You get Boba Shatt. We've 469 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 4: talked about this, but I've been thinking about. 470 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 5: This a lot. 471 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 4: Do you make them your second baseman and move Stot 472 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 4: to third? Or do you just stick them at third 473 00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:44,879 Speaker 4: where he's never played? But do you hand you know 474 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 4: he's played the left side of the nfield. Do you 475 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 4: say play third base, Bobby Dickerson, go to work on him, 476 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 4: and we're going to keep our goal goal of caliber 477 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 4: guy at second where he's strong instead of uprooting him. 478 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:57,119 Speaker 5: What do you do? 479 00:24:57,720 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: That's such a great question. 480 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,800 Speaker 2: I think Stott's the better defender, so you hate to 481 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: move him off the middle there. You know, you know, 482 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 2: everybody for one hundred years has talked about the strength 483 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 2: the importance of being strong up in the middle. 484 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: JT. 485 00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 2: That's why it was so great to see the improvement 486 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:15,640 Speaker 2: from Turner you know, that's why you. 487 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: Want to have a great center fielder. 488 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 2: That's why you want to have a great second basement. 489 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,960 Speaker 2: So I'm tempted to leave Stott at second and hope 490 00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 2: that Bobby Dickerson can work his magic and make bashett 491 00:25:25,880 --> 00:25:28,600 Speaker 2: A a competent third baseman. 492 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: You saw what he did with Alec Bohm. 493 00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 2: You know, I often hate this place at one point 494 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: from now he's now, he's a guy you don't really 495 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 2: think that about that much at third base. So I'm 496 00:25:40,280 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 2: going to say move put bow Baschett at third base 497 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:45,120 Speaker 2: and let Bobby d work his magic. 498 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,520 Speaker 1: So here's what I would do. You're you're committing to 499 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,240 Speaker 1: this guy for six or seven years. 500 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 6: You let him decide where do you want to play 501 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 6: second or third, and then make the adjustment. 502 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: In my baseball mind. 503 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 6: I'd rather have Stott stay at second and let Bishett 504 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 6: adjust the third because he's been on the left side 505 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:10,600 Speaker 6: of the field for his entire career. Obviously not a third, 506 00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,440 Speaker 6: he hasn't played there, but he's been on the left 507 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 6: side of the field. The ball comes off that side. 508 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,240 Speaker 6: But ultimately, if you're going to commit six years to 509 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,399 Speaker 6: this or seven years or whatever it may take you, 510 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 6: let him decide where he feels more comfortable and make 511 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 6: the adjustment accordingly. And I do believe that Stott can 512 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 6: play third base well enough. Whether it's holding a space 513 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 6: for Aden Miller at the time, whether at some point 514 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 6: that becomes a platoon, but Stott. 515 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: And Miller at third base left right, who knows. But 516 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 1: it gives you. 517 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 6: The beauty of Stott is that he gives you flexibility 518 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 6: because the man will play anywhere and play it well 519 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 6: in all three of. 520 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,120 Speaker 1: Those positions and four positions. 521 00:26:56,160 --> 00:27:00,600 Speaker 2: If you want to count first base, Jim, what's your 522 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: where do you want to see him go? 523 00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 4: You know, I'm kind of on the side of seeing 524 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 4: what Bobby Dickerson could do with him at third base, 525 00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:11,679 Speaker 4: just because, like you said, I like to strengthen up 526 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:12,040 Speaker 4: the middle. 527 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 5: I think. 528 00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 3: Turner and Scott have developed a. 529 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:18,359 Speaker 4: Really good chemistry, and you know, I want my best 530 00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 4: gloves up the middle. And you know Scott is stellar 531 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: at second base. I'll always opt for anyone stellar in 532 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,600 Speaker 4: their spot and keep them stellar, and see what he 533 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 4: can do at third base. And you know, if you 534 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 4: have to adjust, you have to adjust. 535 00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 1: So let's wrap this up. 536 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 2: I want to get your Rangers swore I signed a 537 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 2: five year, hundred thirty million dollar year with the Red Sox. 538 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,879 Speaker 2: Give me what you will remember most about Ranger or 539 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 2: what you will miss the most about Ranger. 540 00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 4: Good guy, real guy, the poise in big moments. I 541 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 4: loved that season he had a few years ago when 542 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:12,040 Speaker 4: he literally was like a starting pitcher, He was their closer, 543 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 4: and he was a setup man, all in the same 544 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,720 Speaker 4: season and delivered on all fronts. 545 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: I think I was twenty two, wasn't it. 546 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, it might have been, and just a good spirited guy, happy, 547 00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 4: go lucky. And I remember the first time I heard 548 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 4: his name was when he pitched a no hitter I 549 00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:33,240 Speaker 4: think in maybe like. 550 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 3: Williams Port Todd or Lakewood or somewhere. 551 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 5: As a very young minor leaguer. 552 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 4: And I remember the first time I interviewed him was 553 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,239 Speaker 4: at a prospect seminar as this young kid, and I 554 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 4: was talking to him about his unique first name, and 555 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 4: he just said, his parents like that name. In fact, 556 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 4: they named his sister Ranger Arena Ranger I n a, 557 00:28:56,080 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 4: And you'd pronounce that differently in Espanol. I'm sorry, Yeah, 558 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 4: I'm kind of mad. Yeah, I'm mangling it. I apologize 559 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 4: for that, but all right, really really good guy and 560 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 4: I wish I wish him well up there in the 561 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 4: land of the Bean in the. 562 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: Cod Hey, so I love the kid. 563 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 6: We signed him at the time in twenty twelve, I 564 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 6: think it was they got he was signed by sal 565 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 6: Agustinelli for I think it was like twenty five thousand 566 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 6: dollars or something. I mean, for him to become the 567 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 6: picture that he was so cool, for him to be 568 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 6: able to sign this contract for he and his family 569 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 6: in the future, and you know, several generations of Suarez 570 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 6: is down the line. 571 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: But I. 572 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 6: What I love the most about him when I think 573 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 6: about Ranger is you talked about a little bit. It 574 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 6: was his poise, his joy for the game. But he 575 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,120 Speaker 6: sort of reminded me if anybody remembers the old Cuban 576 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 6: pitcher Levon Hernandez, it was almost like Levan Hearnanez from 577 00:29:57,880 --> 00:29:58,360 Speaker 6: the left side. 578 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: He's just having a catch with the catcher. Yeah, I'm 579 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: gonna play catch with this guy, and. 580 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,160 Speaker 6: I'm gonna get people out because I can change speeds 581 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 6: and I'm not. 582 00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,840 Speaker 1: Gonna get super affected by what goes on around me. 583 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: The sky could fall. 584 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 6: I'm gonna try to make my next pitch and see 585 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 6: where it goes from there. And I just great kid 586 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 6: lifetime Philly until now, and I wish him the best, 587 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 6: and I hope we're not facing him in the World Series. 588 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: Well maybe maybe I am hopeful that we face him 589 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 1: in the World Series. That'd be great for the Phillies. 590 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 4: I would be We gotta we gotta avenge that World 591 00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 4: series loss on the Phillies too. They have to avenge 592 00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 4: that nineteen fifteen World series here that was. 593 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 2: The killer, that was a killer Grover, when Alexander couldn't 594 00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 2: get it done, you were right. 595 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 4: There in the stands watching their Jimmy Harry Hooper went 596 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 4: deep twice. 597 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna So when I think about Ranger, I obviously 598 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 2: I think about how cool and calm and collected and 599 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: how goofy he was in the clubhouse and just how 600 00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 2: that translated into him not being bothered by anything. And 601 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 2: that's why I think he's going to be fine in Boston. 602 00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 2: I don't think anything's. 603 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 1: Going to bother him. 604 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,440 Speaker 2: You know, you see some players fold up there in 605 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: New York Philly. He's not gonna Nope. I think he's 606 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,200 Speaker 2: gonna be fine up there, you know he was. 607 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 4: I remember talking to him once for like a background story. 608 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 4: He was an accidental pitcher. He was a soccer player, yeah, 609 00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 4: and they had like a league in town, and somebody said, hey, 610 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 4: you want to come play baseball. He's like thirteen or 611 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 4: some fourteen, and they stuck him in center fields. 612 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 5: And he liked it. 613 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 3: And then one day they needed somebody. 614 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 4: To pitch, and he said, I'll try it, and he 615 00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 4: did pretty good, and they said, hey, why don't you 616 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 4: come back to the next game, And that's how he 617 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 4: became a pitcher. 618 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: And then you think back. 619 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 2: I went back yesterday and I watched the show we 620 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,479 Speaker 2: had last January with Caleb Cotham, because I remember this 621 00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 2: anecdote that Caleb said, He's like when rangers on, I 622 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 2: think he's one of the best pitchers in baseball. He's like, 623 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: he's the only guy I've ever seen that can go 624 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,080 Speaker 2: out in a bullpen and thirty straight pitches and then 625 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 2: walk off the mound flipping the ball up in the 626 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 2: air and just tuckling to himself after he just went 627 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,120 Speaker 2: out there. 628 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,560 Speaker 4: Right, And that was that was a great anecdote by 629 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 4: Kale and he what he kind of punctuated it by saying, 630 00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:17,520 Speaker 4: you know, you you walk away thinking that might have 631 00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,080 Speaker 4: been the best bullpen session I've ever seen in my life. 632 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,800 Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, But it's just nice. 633 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 6: Nice to have enjoyed somebody actually pitching, yes, which is. 634 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: What he did. 635 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 6: Didn't have to do it with stuff. He did it 636 00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 6: with change of speed and command. And it's nice to 637 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 6: see a guy be able to do that, have success 638 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,200 Speaker 6: and be rewarded for it. Pretty cool. 639 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 3: And he's gonna have to keep doing it, Rubio, because. 640 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:45,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because the ribosities are coming down. He's you know, 641 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: eighty eight to ninety one now. 642 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, And that that great game he pitched maybe midsummer 643 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 4: in Atlanta when I was watching the game on TV and. 644 00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,120 Speaker 5: Everybody was like, wow, his vielo was really down, but 645 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,200 Speaker 5: he ends up pitching. 646 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 4: Like seven innings and the maximum exit velocity was seventy 647 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 4: six miles an hour. 648 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,920 Speaker 3: That was the average exit velocity for the day. 649 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 4: I mean, he just limits man, keeps the ball in 650 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 4: the yard, doesn't walk people. 651 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 1: Just a great personality, great fit in the clubhouse. 652 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 2: I think that will be missed for sure, but it's 653 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 2: good to see one of those guys, those command control 654 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 2: guys getting one hundred and thirty million, So guys, enjoy 655 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 2: your weekend. I will see you if we need an 656 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,840 Speaker 2: emergency pod, so have your phones on. Gentlemen, you need 657 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:40,600 Speaker 2: to make that happen. 658 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 6: As long as the horizon doesn't have another national out 659 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,880 Speaker 6: you know, outage, we go. 660 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 2: Otherwise, we will see you guys next week. 661 00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 5: Smelly later boys. 662 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 663 00:33:56,400 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 2: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Philly Show on YouTube, and 664 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 2: We're where you get your podcasts.