WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Previewing Raiders Matchups 0:00:01.600 --> 0:00:07.200 This he is talking Cowboys Screaming live on Dallas Cowboys 0:00:07.240 --> 0:00:15.160 dot Com and the official Dallas Cowboys asked, does by 0:00:15.920 --> 0:00:20.919 no your hosts Mickey's Fagnola, Brian brought us, Taylor Stern 0:00:21.320 --> 0:00:26.920 and Rob Phillips. Welcome everybody into the SWBC Mortgage Studio. 0:00:27.000 --> 0:00:30.080 It is Thursday of Raiders week here at the Star 0:00:30.240 --> 0:00:33.440 in Frisco, and we've got lots to talk about before 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:37.000 the Cowboys get ready to play on Sunday Night football. 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:39.880 It's always fun around here. And and you know, Brian, 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:43.840 I heard you ask coach Garrett today, you're practicing outdoors again. Yeah, 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:46.479 he didn't like my question. Why. I don't think he did. 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:48.600 I kind of I kind of said, you know, coaches 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.400 or creatures have have it. They got a nice win, 0:00:50.440 --> 0:00:53.120 they played well last week. The fact they're playing on 0:00:53.120 --> 0:00:55.080 a grass field, I thought might be another thing. But 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:56.760 I don't think he wanted to be. He's one of 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:00.280 those guys it doesn't want to You know, we actice 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:03.200 because we practice, not because of the conditions or the 0:01:03.240 --> 0:01:05.920 grass or anything like that. So I should have known 0:01:06.000 --> 0:01:07.760 that that was a terrible question on my part. No, 0:01:07.840 --> 0:01:10.800 it's a fair question. He just doesn't want the perception 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.920 of a built in excuse of oh well, stuff like that, 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:17.000 the way with the altitude and then well, I mean 0:01:17.000 --> 0:01:19.880 they practiced outdoors last week. They gotta win. Sometimes coaches 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.880 are a little superstitious about the way they do things. Yeah, 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:26.640 you're superstitious about our pizza. Yeah, Sam and John, there 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.120 you go. Yeah. Coach Garrett gave a lot of injury updates. 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:31.440 Rob if you you know, I saw you posting about that. 0:01:31.440 --> 0:01:34.440 Which one stood out to you the most? Well? Orlando 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:38.920 Scandrick feeling better but maybe limited. Maybe gets in and 0:01:38.920 --> 0:01:43.080 does a little something today. No David Irving again, So 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.120 you gotta think as there's the fist from Brian. I 0:01:46.120 --> 0:01:50.560 think he's out cocussion and that's a factory potentially against 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:54.080 this Raiders offense. Yep line. Good news for Lyle Collins. 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:55.880 Looks like he's gonna practice for the first time in 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.320 more than two weeks. Tyrann Smith will be back as well. 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:04.440 Um Justin Durant also coming off a concussion illness last week. 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:08.520 Maybe get involved a little bit. Bryce Butler maybe not, 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.679 still dealing with the foot. James Hannah could get in 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.640 due a little work today. He's got a knee injury 0:02:14.639 --> 0:02:16.600 popped up on the report yesterday and Sean Lee might 0:02:16.639 --> 0:02:18.160 do a little bit more too. So is it the 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.440 same knee that James Hannah has been dealing without through 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.240 his career that I'm not sure of? Do you know, 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:27.920 Mick he said he didn't know, did he? Yeah? I 0:02:27.919 --> 0:02:34.120 think it probably is he's had And you know what, 0:02:34.760 --> 0:02:36.760 that's gonna be a situation when you get down to 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:38.640 the end of it, when it turns into the offseason, 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.800 you have to figure something out. Obviously, you've got some 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.560 guys in place. Blake Jarwin's a guy that got you know, 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:47.320 when Hannah doesn't practice, Blake Jarwin gets to practice. We'll 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:49.799 see what happens with Rico gathers in that situation. I 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:53.280 think that's a twenty and eighteen Okay, where are we 0:02:53.320 --> 0:02:55.360 at with this knee and stuff like that? You have 0:02:55.400 --> 0:02:58.200 a couple of guys that have actually played, you know, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.639 proven I think Jeff swam and you say, okay, who 0:03:00.639 --> 0:03:03.240 would you you know? James Hanna made a heck of 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:05.360 a play the other day in that football game, great catch. 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:07.760 But I think if you said, who are the guy 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:09.680 that you know you think can block, catch, get down 0:03:09.720 --> 0:03:12.600 the field the best. I think Swain might be that. Guys, 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:15.000 that might mean that you know that we see maybe 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:18.560 a little bit different thought about James Hannah next year. Yeah, 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.400 great to hear about Lyle Collins and getting back from 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.679 his injury. You know, of course he hasn't really practiced 0:03:24.120 --> 0:03:26.960 at all the past two weeks, but he's had strong, 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:30.280 hard matchups in those past two games and still showing out. 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.000 So of course he has Khalil Mack this week, which 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.440 is nothing to just you know, shake your head at. 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:39.040 It hasn't gotten any easier. It hadn't gotten any easier 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:41.960 for him, and I think that's the I think that's 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:44.640 the thing that you you know, but you have to 0:03:44.680 --> 0:03:48.480 appreciate the way he's played throughout. It's amazing to me. 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:51.160 I don't know about you, guys. I really really don't 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.520 know about you, guys, but it's so surprising to me 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.200 that he can miss practice and be as effective as 0:03:57.200 --> 0:03:59.240 the way he is that because he's a young player, 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.160 missing practice and not being good or oh no, and 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:05.960 being and still being I mean, are you surprised, because 0:04:06.040 --> 0:04:09.120 I'm surprised. I'm surprised because I kind of always felt 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:10.920 like that he was a guy that needed to practice 0:04:11.320 --> 0:04:15.000 a assignment wise, be technique wise. Yeah, and there seems 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.520 to haven't been any huge problems. Now again, I mentioned 0:04:18.560 --> 0:04:21.600 yesterday Zack Martin. You know, Zach playing next to Zack 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:24.680 Martin is is a pretty good thing to have going 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:26.919 if you make a mistake, Oh, Zach Martin can be 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:29.800 there to help you. But I feel like though, but 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.200 it's it. Hey, when you look at the mental side, 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:33.800 when you look at the physical side and what he's 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.600 able to do, that's been something that you know, it 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:39.640 has allowed you to say, Okay, we can give him 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.000 more rest because he's been able to show that he 0:04:42.000 --> 0:04:44.000 could play in these games. Or maybe the rest is 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.279 the reason why he's playing better. That's that's he might 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:50.720 have been fighting through it without anybody mentioning yet and 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:52.960 it was hurting him. And now that he doesn't have 0:04:53.040 --> 0:04:56.880 to practice every day fully, um, you know, maybe he's 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.440 fresher for the game. By the way, you remember Hannah 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.960 signed a three year deal. Yeah, so be careful cutting 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:06.120 guys that I just have already paid. Well, you know 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.480 they've done that before with some guys. Yeah, I mean, 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:10.560 I don't think Hannah's going to break the bank. With you, 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:13.359 but I think there has to be some legitimate concern 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.640 about his injuries, right than the knee. I mean, this 0:05:16.720 --> 0:05:19.359 is something they remember all it was a bone bruising 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:24.200 camp surgery deal. And I interrite Mickey, I'm not trying 0:05:24.200 --> 0:05:26.440 to cut somebody that's been signed. But you know, we've 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:28.520 we've seen that in the past. If it comes down 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.720 to can he be healthy enough, can we count on him? 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:34.440 He also, Yeah, you pay a guy to play, and 0:05:34.800 --> 0:05:37.080 this season he's played. You know, now we're down to 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.200 the final month of the season and he's having to 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.320 sit out a little bit, or sit at least the practice. 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:43.800 You gave the out sign on David Irvy. I do 0:05:44.160 --> 0:05:45.880 we're sitting here a week and a half. Of course, 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:49.159 you never shake your head at a concussion. But getting 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.080 back to that Rob you mentioned it's going to impact 0:05:52.120 --> 0:05:55.680 this run game for the Oakland Raiders. Yeah, just Brian 0:05:55.720 --> 0:05:57.880 made the good point yesterday in terms of, you know, 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:02.480 he's not your typical plugger three technique guy in the middle. 0:06:02.600 --> 0:06:04.800 Irving is he's a guy who who's athletic, who can 0:06:04.800 --> 0:06:07.760 penetrate the pocket and maybe give these big Raiders offensive 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:10.800 linemen some trouble if you don't have him, then you're 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.880 going with Richard ashe and rotation with Lewis Neil. It's 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.320 just a little bit of a different matchup. So he 0:06:16.400 --> 0:06:19.040 provides kind of a unique element for them in the middle, 0:06:20.160 --> 0:06:22.039 paired with MALIEK. Collins, and if they don't have that, 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.719 I think you might see a show up. I think 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.960 we're in Rob's exactly right. What's going on. You have 0:06:27.080 --> 0:06:30.200 to make this raider front move. You have to. You 0:06:30.240 --> 0:06:32.200 can't just rush him right down the middle. If you 0:06:32.320 --> 0:06:35.479 do that, you're playing right into their strength. Make these 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:37.239 guys have to move, and I think that's what David 0:06:37.240 --> 0:06:40.320 Irvin is able to do. We talk about the slinky ability, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.720 the ability to get into gaps, to play on the move, 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.200 to kind of take a step, hard step, then come back, 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:48.000 you know, redirect things. You know, that's where David Irvin 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:50.119 is going to be really help you in these types 0:06:50.120 --> 0:06:54.640 of games. But I'm just falling on Mickey's concussion protocol himself, 0:06:54.720 --> 0:06:57.240 what he's talked about. If the guys still practice two 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:00.760 days in a row, I anticipate them being a I mean, 0:07:00.800 --> 0:07:03.400 I think it's been pretty consistent with that, you know, 0:07:03.640 --> 0:07:06.200 So I just don't see him playing this week, and 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.000 I would think the same as Scandrick. I think Scandrick 0:07:09.120 --> 0:07:11.800 is absolutely that the same thing. Yeah it's two day. 0:07:11.800 --> 0:07:14.040 I mean like he's better, but maybe not ready. Yeah, 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.240 the young the young defensive backs have you know. And 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:19.320 this this is an interesting thought too. I wonder if 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:23.520 Scandrick you know, and I shouldn't say this, but because 0:07:23.560 --> 0:07:25.840 it's always considered like a bad thing, but if you 0:07:25.880 --> 0:07:27.920 think about Scandrick is one of those guys that he 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:30.360 understands his body and stuff like that, and he's like, hey, 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:32.240 if they're gonna play young guys, I'm gonna take care 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.560 of myself. I'm not gonna go out there and you know, 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:39.040 have to do anything extra, you know. I mean that 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:41.680 just seems that that's that's probably that's probably wrong on 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:44.760 my my thinking, but you know, you kind of wonder, 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:46.680 you see the Hey, if they're gonna play young guys 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.480 and I'm gonna protect myself. If they're if they're not 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:52.840 interested in moving forward with me again, this is they're 0:07:52.880 --> 0:07:55.400 they're kind of setting things up for all these young 0:07:55.440 --> 0:07:57.880 guys playing, and hey, what how much money do we 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:00.440 have to spend in all that? And it could be 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:02.880 a his situation, say well, maybe I need another game 0:08:02.960 --> 0:08:04.840 or two to be fully healthy. What did he What 0:08:04.880 --> 0:08:06.920 did he say on Butler? Did he say? Not much? 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:10.200 It doesn't sound like he was going to do much again. Yeah, 0:08:10.480 --> 0:08:12.680 that's interesting. I was talking to him yesterday in the 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.360 locker room, and it sounded like the soreness in his 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:20.520 foot was caused by the shot, Like the point where 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:23.920 they entered the needle. It was that's what was sore 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.560 and bothering him, he said the most. So I was 0:08:26.600 --> 0:08:29.640 thinking maybe he'd be maybe I gotta confuse over that. No, 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:31.760 I think I think he said it right, but he didn't. 0:08:31.800 --> 0:08:34.199 He didn't act like, yoh yeah, I'm going out and practicing. 0:08:34.640 --> 0:08:36.560 He was still saying it was sore. And he said 0:08:36.600 --> 0:08:39.559 it was sore from taking the shot on Scandrick. Brian, 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.160 I mean, if you were healthy. They need him and 0:08:43.160 --> 0:08:45.600 he played yeah, And I mean, but they're also this 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:48.280 is an offense that you've we talked about Derek Carr 0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:50.120 and take over a football game, but this I also 0:08:50.200 --> 0:08:52.560 look at the situation, so we know what Orlando Scandrick is. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:54.560 He could be a very good player for you, and 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.160 he could also he understands exactly the business side of it. 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:59.560 He probably in that locker room understands business more than 0:08:59.600 --> 0:09:02.360 anybody in that room. And if he said, you just think, Okay, 0:09:02.400 --> 0:09:05.000 they're so happy about these young guys, and you know what, 0:09:05.000 --> 0:09:07.360 I'm gonna protect myself a little bit. I'm not gonna 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:09.560 put any bad tape out there. We've heard veteran guys 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:13.760 say that before, you know. But it wouldn't surprise me. 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:16.120 It wouldn't surprise me that he would say. He would say, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.800 the attitude is okay, go play with those young guys, 0:09:19.000 --> 0:09:21.800 and I'll give myself another week to get healthy and 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:25.400 then if i'm you know, then we'll see how things go. Yeah. Yeah, 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.559 well he may not have another week to get healthy. Yeah, 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:30.800 because if they lose, that's yeah, that's what I'm thinking. 0:09:30.800 --> 0:09:32.439 It's all they lose. It's all the young guys just 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.680 go sit. Yeah, that laying the young guy. That's that's 0:09:35.720 --> 0:09:37.960 but see, that's that's you know. That's to me. I 0:09:38.160 --> 0:09:42.080 what Scandrick's contract currently. I get confused because it gets 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:45.360 readjusted like he got extended in the summer of it. 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:47.400 I don't think it's one of those fifteen. I don't 0:09:47.400 --> 0:09:49.120 think it's one of those things where again you you 0:09:49.200 --> 0:09:51.120 kind of look at it, and he's done a really 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:55.280 smart thing because he's never he's made money without really 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:59.760 making money. He's always kind of kept himself paid, but 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.440 not to the point where you say, gosh, he's making 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.920 nine million dollars or ten million dollars, making ten million 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:10.559 a year a twenty nineteen four million dollars year in 0:10:10.559 --> 0:10:13.880 twenty nineteen, yeah, yeah, so one year left, yeah, or 0:10:13.880 --> 0:10:17.520 two years left, yeah, next year in twenty nineteen, two years. 0:10:17.800 --> 0:10:19.920 See what I'm saying, he kind of keeps himself paid 0:10:20.000 --> 0:10:24.240 without being overpaid to making somebody think but they're clearly 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.679 are going with a young group out there. I mean 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:30.079 that now a lot because of his injury, right, But 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.680 you're also thinking, though we've all kind of said, well, 0:10:33.320 --> 0:10:36.600 Romo missed one game, and every David Carr missed one game. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.320 And again it's a position where you're having to tackle 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.360 and do all those things and cover and twist and 0:10:41.400 --> 0:10:44.240 move and you know, but but he but he got 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.560 his he got some money up front, right, So I 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:48.720 don't know if what Kent said is his base salary 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.760 in twenty nineteen because he got that, Remember he was 0:10:51.840 --> 0:10:55.000 holding out, Sure, advanced. Sure. Yeah, like he did the 0:10:55.080 --> 0:10:57.720 cash like, oh, I'm not getting paid enough. Yeah, it's 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:02.560 according to spotrack is it's five years, nineteen million with 0:11:02.600 --> 0:11:05.320 a three million dollars signing bonus average of three point 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:09.240 eight over the course of the contract. Okay, So to 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:13.360 me that he just seems he's a businessman. He understands 0:11:13.440 --> 0:11:15.400 us and I hate to say, a businessman in a 0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.160 game where you need all hands on deck. Yeah, that's 0:11:18.160 --> 0:11:20.400 got my finger. That that kind of that's that's a thought, 0:11:20.679 --> 0:11:22.719 you know, if you're if you're all hands on deck 0:11:22.760 --> 0:11:26.000 and we've got to get in the playoffs and all that. Okay, 0:11:26.040 --> 0:11:28.120 well they still want to play a young guys. Well, 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:31.160 I'll take my time, you know, I'll you know, I'll 0:11:31.200 --> 0:11:33.680 do what I have to do. It's had big time 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.000 injuries before, and he knows he's played with hand injuries 0:11:37.040 --> 0:11:39.440 and all kinds of stuff he has. Yeah, you know, 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:42.880 but this is again a lot of young guys playing 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.839 in these games. A lot of young guys there certainly are. 0:11:45.880 --> 0:11:48.560 So we'll look to see what the practice report says 0:11:48.600 --> 0:11:52.680 this afternoon. Of course, Rob, yesterday you were out there 0:11:52.679 --> 0:11:56.000 in Los Callinas. Let's hear it. Let's hear the report 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:58.760 of what you saw at owners meeting a little four seasons. 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:01.120 It was nice out there. It's a beautiful place, and 0:12:01.160 --> 0:12:03.599 it starts for the media. Yeah, it was great. A 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:05.880 membership here real soon. I don't know about that. I 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.240 hope kind and yes, yes, and uh. And Jerry Jones 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:14.680 and Roger Goodell were very cordial and professional around each other. 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.760 They had back to back press conferences. Actually they just 0:12:17.800 --> 0:12:20.439 decided NFL decided the best way to handle it because 0:12:20.480 --> 0:12:23.200 both media wanted to talk to both of them. Line 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.719 them up. Goodell speaks first at the podium, Jerry's off 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:29.640 to the side waiting to speak. They hug as they're 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:32.760 changing sides, and Jerry gets up there and speaks as well. 0:12:33.040 --> 0:12:37.040 A full hug, A full hug. Yes. So it was 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.199 a it was a united front presented. I think. You know, 0:12:40.240 --> 0:12:43.880 there's obviously been some some pushback and some disagreements on um, 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:47.680 you know, the status of Goodell's contract, and Jerry has been, 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:51.480 you know, very pragmatic and explaining, like we've talked about 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:53.440 it on the show, he's got he had eighteen months 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:55.360 left on his deal. Let's let's tackle some of the 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:57.679 issues with the league and then address his contract, but 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:01.360 it got pushed through. He's gonna make a lot of money, Uh, 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.199 the commissioner Goodell is. But what we learned is it's 0:13:04.240 --> 0:13:07.079 it's largely incentive based and it's and it's going to 0:13:07.160 --> 0:13:09.480 be and it's going to be based on you know, 0:13:09.520 --> 0:13:12.920 committee of owners deciding subjectively as he met these incentives 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:15.920 based on his performance as commissioner. And that's something Jerry 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.520 spoke to as well as Uh he spoke of constitutional 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:21.800 changes to the NFL, and I think that relates to 0:13:22.440 --> 0:13:26.280 the compensation committee and how that's comprised of, you know, 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.480 dealing with these types of issues financially with the commissioner involved. 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:34.120 So are some of these incentives that I'm not sure 0:13:34.160 --> 0:13:37.960 specifically what. I'm sure there's different. There's so many aspects 0:13:37.960 --> 0:13:40.440 to the job. Um, I'm sure it has a lot 0:13:40.440 --> 0:13:45.080 to do with revenue ratings things of that nature. Um. 0:13:45.160 --> 0:13:46.959 So you know, Jerry has talked about there needs to 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.680 be some change, and what he spoke to was he said, 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:54.520 I hope Roger earns every dime, but we've got to 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:56.120 look at how we do things at the at the 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.679 league level. It's absolutely right, absolutely yeah. I mean, anyone 0:13:59.720 --> 0:14:02.440 can just so. So. Yeah, And the curious thing to 0:14:02.520 --> 0:14:05.400 me about the whole thing is we didn't learn about 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:11.560 these incentives till like last week, right, Everything else leaked 0:14:11.600 --> 0:14:14.600 out about what he wanted in the contract, but that 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:19.880 stuff didn't leak out. So my, my, I wonder did 0:14:19.880 --> 0:14:22.800 they change courses there before they gave him the final 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:26.400 contract because Jerry balked, Well, he wanted to make very 0:14:26.400 --> 0:14:30.040 clear Jerry did that it's not just his effort to 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:33.040 get that done. It takes an owner's majority vote to 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:35.280 have something like that go through. Yeah, but it sounded 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.120 like all the sheep were following, you know, the leader, 0:14:39.160 --> 0:14:41.600 and no one was balking at the thing. Now all 0:14:41.640 --> 0:14:44.000 of a sudden, Oh, we all decided that there was 0:14:44.040 --> 0:14:46.760 going to be incentives in this thing. And you know, 0:14:46.840 --> 0:14:49.280 I think that's a key thing. The thing I didn't 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:54.000 like was the fact that he's already said that at 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.080 the end of this contract, I'm retiring. Yeah. Well, he 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:58.800 got asset up at the podium and he said, I 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.080 haven't made any determination that then why his spokesman Joe 0:15:02.160 --> 0:15:05.400 Lockhart say this is his last deal. I thought how 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:07.400 I read it was that he thought it was his 0:15:07.480 --> 0:15:10.720 last deal, like he wasn't no, Mickey's right. Lockhart basically 0:15:10.720 --> 0:15:13.720 said he was done after this deal. How old he'll 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:17.800 be sixty four at the end of the five years. Look, yeah, 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:21.160 but what worries me is when people start thinking about retiring, 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:24.240 they may have already retired. Bill Parcels used to say 0:15:24.240 --> 0:15:26.280 that all the time. Yeah. But at the same time, Mick, 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:29.280 if you're talking ninety percent performance based, he's got to 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.880 earn what he wants. He's got already he has, I 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.480 know he has. That just concerns me, That's all. The 0:15:35.520 --> 0:15:37.720 other thing that one more thing that came up was 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.640 specific kind of to the Cowboys was Jerry was asked, Okay, 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:44.120 you're talking about potential adjustments to the power of the 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.920 commissioner and how does that relate to potentially play or 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.960 discipline in those matters? And Jerry didn't want to get 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.480 into SPI civics there, but he again kind of reiterated 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:54.520 it's something we need to look at in terms of 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.080 how I mean. One follow up question was about should 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.000 they get out of the investigation business together? You know, 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.960 so that that came up as well, but there was 0:16:04.040 --> 0:16:06.360 the answer to that, Well, I think Jerry didn't want 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:08.560 to say, oh, they asked Jerry, asked Jerry. They didn't 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:12.160 ask Goodell, right right. I think Jerry's response was, you know, 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.320 that's out of my jurisdiction. I guess just me speaking personally, 0:16:16.360 --> 0:16:19.440 But obviously Jerry's felt like from Zeke perspective, it's something 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:21.240 they have to look at going forward in the league. 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:24.040 So what did what did they accomplish at this meeting? 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:27.760 Because I'm they didn't fly thirty two thirty one owners 0:16:27.800 --> 0:16:31.720 here to say, okay, Jerry and Roger are good? Did 0:16:31.720 --> 0:16:34.280 they did they achieve something? I think come to any 0:16:34.400 --> 0:16:37.240 I think this was a I think this was a 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:40.800 one voice meeting and meaning all thirty two had the 0:16:40.840 --> 0:16:44.200 opportunity to say whatever they wanted to say, right. I 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.920 think this was really one of those meetings where they said, listen, 0:16:47.360 --> 0:16:49.960 we've had a lot of things being kind of banded 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.800 abound around in the media. Let's talk about this. I 0:16:53.840 --> 0:16:57.760 think every owner had the opportunity to stand up forward. 0:16:57.840 --> 0:17:04.000 In Detroit, Casky, in Chicago, mister Jones and Dallas mister 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:07.119 Blank in Atlanta, everybody got to say what they wanted 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:09.280 to say. And I think that's what it was. I 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:12.400 think this was kind of an agenda forming meeting. So 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.120 this was a special meeting. This wasn't something I think 0:17:15.520 --> 0:17:17.960 something I think they called a winter meeting. But I 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.360 believe Jerry Jones requested this meeting with the other owners, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:25.280 and I think the league allowed it to happen. And 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:28.880 it was again one voice and well, and everybody gets 0:17:28.880 --> 0:17:32.080 to have their second ye like yeah, like Arthur, you 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:34.520 need to go shake hands with Jerry Jones right now 0:17:34.640 --> 0:17:36.720 because it's yeah, yeah, we're gonna have you, you know, 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.960 and and and and some of those owners, Clark Hunt 0:17:40.000 --> 0:17:43.600 in Kansas City could have said, my father would have 0:17:43.720 --> 0:17:46.800 not approved of the way this compensation package is going 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.560 right now, and I don't like it myself. You know, 0:17:49.880 --> 0:17:52.800 that's the opportunity you have. Thank you, mister Hunt for 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.880 the chiefs, you know, mister Davis in you know Oakland, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.200 wherever they're at. Yeah, well Vegas, they're gonna be a 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:01.400 good Vegas team'll be a great Veggas team, and we're 0:18:01.480 --> 0:18:03.479 all gonna get to go. I'd be fun. But the 0:18:03.560 --> 0:18:05.480 thing the thing about it is, I think that's what 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.720 they accomplished, Mickey. I think every owner had an opportunity 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:11.639 to say their piece before this because there's been a 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:14.399 lot of you know, let's say, let's be honest, the 0:18:14.480 --> 0:18:17.960 Van Adder story that's come out, there's been somebody was 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.040 in talking, you know, talking and giving information at what 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.359 was being said. Owners on phone, owners not doing you know, 0:18:24.560 --> 0:18:27.240 there's a lot of that going on, reports of confidential 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.479 memos and resolutions, and none of those things said anything 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.040 in there about incentives in a contract. Did it draw 0:18:33.119 --> 0:18:35.719 the line somewhere here? Let's draw the line. Why are 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.119 we you know, miss McCaskey, why you know, why are 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:41.120 we having these problems? What are you guys doing over there? 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:43.639 You know, everybody got a chance to say on their 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:45.920 behalf what they wanted to say. See, I think one 0:18:45.920 --> 0:18:48.000 of the problems a lot of these owners have is 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:51.800 it's not like, you know, Roger Goodell's the end all 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:55.440 of commissioners, right, like they can't find another guy. But 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.320 I think they a lot of those guys, even though 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:02.320 they're great in this man and we like Jerry, have 0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:06.320 problems with dealing with ambiguity, like, oh well, what if 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.560 we get rid of Roger, who's the next guy? And 0:19:09.000 --> 0:19:12.439 Jerry relishes that right, But a lot of guys just 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.840 want to say, hey, I know this. I'm not I'm 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:19.479 scared of changing. Let's be honest here. You know, a 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:22.560 lot of the ownership is older folks. You know a 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.160 lot of older folks. The next time the commissionership comes up, 0:19:26.720 --> 0:19:28.800 a lot of these old guard are no longer going 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:31.480 to be with us, God will them. They all are. 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.400 But let's be you know, that's that's they're gonna Maybe 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:38.760 this is an opportunity for these owners to say, this 0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:41.400 is my last one. Okay, this is what I think. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:43.439 Let me put this, let me let me go on 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.879 record here as I'm eighty three years old. Absolutely, you know, well, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:49.720 let's take our first break here and as we come back, 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:52.680 we will really dive into the raiders because there is 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.960 a lot of talk about and especially looking at Derek 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:59.159 Carr will be right back. It can be hard to 0:19:59.200 --> 0:20:02.520 find the right source for learning about important financial matters. 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:04.960 You search how to build savings, you end up reading 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:08.040