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Speaker 1: major decision in the cult Mom Laurie Valo case. As

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Serious M one eleven. Guess what cult Mom is

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Speaker 1: going to trial? Take a listen to this. Finally we

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Speaker 1: will see Laurie Valobar reigned on charges of first degree

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Speaker 1: So here's what's happening now. According to the court order,

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Speaker 1: Since last June, Valo has been deemed incompetent for more

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Speaker 1: her husband and codefend and Chad daybel used their religious

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Speaker 1: their disappearance. You're here in your friend, said Fox Tan,

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Speaker 1: And you heard right. It's been months and months and

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Speaker 1: her brand new husband, I think husband number four, Chad

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Speaker 1: day Bell, the doomsday prophet who predicted the end of

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Speaker 1: sense of what we know. James shell Nutt twenty seven

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Speaker 1: Karen with a see Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville

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Speaker 1: He's the star of a brand new hit series, Bodybags

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Speaker 1: with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart Cheryl McCollum, Founder and

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Speaker 1: Director of the Cold Case Research Institute at Coaldcase Crimes

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Speaker 1: dot org. But first to a very special guest I

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Speaker 1: he ever did was when cult mom Laurie Valoe, while

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Speaker 1: account after he's dead, wait, wait, before he's dead, and

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Speaker 1: either she's clairvoyant or she's a killer. All right, While

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Speaker 1: Are they here? Do you have them hidden away somewhere?

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Speaker 1: That was Nate Eden. Nate Eaton followed this woman all

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Speaker 1: has been a long row to hoe, has it not. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're looking at over two years now now, two years, yes,

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Speaker 1: That's what she believes incorrectly. Of course, Crime stories with

426
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Nate Eaton, let me understand right now, the

427
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: two of them are still co joined their co defendants

428
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: and are set to be tried together. That's right. The

429
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: prosecution wants them tried together. He says that the witnesses

430
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:02,119
Speaker 1: are going to be the same, the evidence is going

431
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: to be the same. It will save a lot of

432
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: money to do it together. There's no risk that there

433
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 1: could be any sort of you know, jury influence by

434
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 1: one juror potentially seeing the other trial. And Chad Davil's

435
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: attorney has objected to that. There was a big hearing

436
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: held just recently where he said, I want these trials,

437
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,160
Speaker 1: these trials severed. The judge responded and said, no, they're

438
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: going to be held together. That was while Laurie was

439
00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: still incompetent, so things could potentially change. Right now, we

440
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: know we have a death penalty case with Chad. The

441
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: prosecution has sixty days to say if Laurie's going to

442
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: go for the death penalty if everything goes as scheduled.

443
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: Now they want ten weeks for the trial starting in

444
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: January of twenty twenty three. What I don't understand, and

445
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 1: shell nut I want to hear what you have to say,

446
00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: joining me, James shell Nutt former Metro major case detective

447
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: now lawyer. Why would they say the DP on Chad

448
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: day Bell and not Lorie Vale I mean she was

449
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: the mother. He had no blood relation to these children

450
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: at all. He just wanted Lorie Valle. And just so

451
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: you know, what a pickup line. He would tell women

452
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 1: that he was married to them in a previous life,

453
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 1: so they have already had sex. Why not go at

454
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 1: it again. I mean, if you ever heard a pickup

455
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: line like that, he's going to get convicted on that alone.

456
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: But she is the mother. Yeah, this is crazy. So

457
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: I think Cheryl had a good point. I had not

458
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: thought about it until she brought it up. A man

459
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: to go. She's let everyone else do the thirty work

460
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: on this. She didn't have her hands personally tied in

461
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 1: with this, and it doesn't necessarily mean that she is

462
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: a not a death penalty candidate. But I think between that,

463
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: I think between her mental state, which has been well documented,

464
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:56,680
Speaker 1: not excusable of the crimes, but well documented, and the

465
00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,040
Speaker 1: fact that she wasn't hands on, that might be some

466
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: of the motivation behind the prosecution not seeking the death

467
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: penalty on her, although she very much deserves it. Man

468
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: to Nate Ayton, I cannot imagine seeking the death penalty

469
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: on Chad day Bail and not on Laurie Vallo. Yeah,

470
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: you would think that it would be the same, especially

471
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: because as I mentioned that, the prosecution has set all

472
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: along the evidence is the same but charges are the same,

473
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: the witnesses are the same, unless they plan to work

474
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: out some sort of agreement with Laurie, if Lorie flips

475
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 1: on Chad, or they have far more evidence with Chad.

476
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 1: I do know and have been told on good authority,

477
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: that Chad spends every day in jail in a little

478
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: room with a laptop it's not connected to the internet,

479
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: going through all of the evidence. He's going through it,

480
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: so he himself is involved in his defense while his

481
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:50,960
Speaker 1: attorney is also preparing to defend this death penalty case.

482
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: Then you've got the whole issue of Tammy day bail.

483
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: Take a list of our cut twenty three from KSLTV.

484
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: Tammy had allegedly died in her sleep. They found her

485
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: in bed, They didn't know the causes. Mandy wasn't shock.

486
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: I talked to her the day before she died, she says.

487
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,280
Speaker 1: During that last visit with Tammy, something fell to off

488
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: and she seemed maybe kind of frustrated, and that wasn't

489
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: typical for her. Things got strangers. Mandy and multiple friends

490
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: tell KASO that Tammy's husband, Chad day Bell, refused to

491
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: have an autopsy performed. With so many investigations now involving Chad.

492
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: Mandy hopes to find closure for her friend. I just

493
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,160
Speaker 1: can't help but think that I want to know what

494
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: happened to Tammy? To you, Nate Eton? What is the

495
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 1: status the Tammy Daybell death? Tammy day Bell has reportedly

496
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: died from asphyxiation in her sleep, well in her sleep,

497
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 1: perfectly healthy, training for a marathon, and she dies in

498
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: her sleep. And isn't it true? Nate Aton. Just before

499
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: she died in her sleep, her husband, Shan day Bell,

500
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 1: now married to cult Mom, said that he had a

501
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: vision that Tammy was going to die. He went into

502
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: Tammy he one day, about two weeks before her death

503
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: and said, Grandpa has appeared to me. You need to

504
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: go see your family. And their family and her family

505
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: lived about four hours away driving and Tammy never made

506
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 1: that drive alone. They always went as a family or

507
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: with Chad, and Chad was really insisting you need to

508
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: go see your family. So Tammy got in the car,

509
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: she drove down by herself on a Friday night, spent

510
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 1: the evening with her family, and then drove home. And

511
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: when she got home she was fine. And evidence later

512
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: revealed that has been releases that Chad thought that Tammy

513
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 1: might die, or said that Tammy might die in a

514
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: car crash during that trip, and when that did not happen,

515
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: two weeks later, she died in her sleep, quote unquote.

516
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: Her family says, looking back now that was she really

517
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: a blessing to them. They were able to spend that

518
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 1: time with just Tammy while all of this other stuff

519
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 1: was happening, while Chad had a secret phone that he

520
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 1: was texting Laurie on while Tammy's down with her family

521
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 1: saying that Tammy's gonna die. Tammy's gonna die. Well, she

522
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: didn't on that trip, but unfortunately she did two weeks later.

523
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: I know quickly after Tammy day Bill's death did he

524
00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: marry called on Laurie Valet. Within two weeks. She died

525
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: on a Saturday. She was buried on a Tuesday. He

526
00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: left a funeral quickly after it was over, and within

527
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 1: two weeks he was in Hawaii married to Laurie Dabo,

528
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 1: with nobody else there Laurie Vale, nobody else on the beach,

529
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: just the two of them. In a photographer Cheryl McCollum,

530
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: do you ever expect charges and the Tammy day Bill death?

531
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: I do absolutely, because again Nancy. Let's just look what

532
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: all Laurie Valo has done. She has wabbed this whole

533
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: evil net herself. So she's the one that starts reading

534
00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: these books by Chad day Bell. She goes and meets

535
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:09,439
Speaker 1: with him, She moves to his state. She convinces him

536
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: to help get rid of the children and their bodies

537
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: in his own backyard. She did all of that again

538
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,320
Speaker 1: believing I'm gonna be you know, okay, because I didn't

539
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: really touch any of this. He did, and my brother did.

540
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:25,879
Speaker 1: My brother nobody can do anything with him. He can't

541
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: be a witness or nothing, because now he's dead. But

542
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,240
Speaker 1: remember if you back up, she threatened her husband, Charles.

543
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: She's the one talk about the spider to the fly.

544
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,919
Speaker 1: He's supposed to pick JJ up for school. She got

545
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 1: him to walk right into that trap when he's shot

546
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: by her brother. She's the one that got conflicting. Yes,

547
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 1: but how he was shot, Yes, but Tylie said it

548
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: was self devince as well. That's another reason I believe

549
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,439
Speaker 1: she was treated different, because I believe she said as

550
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old, I'm gonna tell she was the

551
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: only witness. She and JJ they knew what had happened,

552
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: and that all the witnesses are dead. I just don't

553
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: understand why they would not seek the DP death penalty

554
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 1: on cult mom. She's the one connected to all these people.

555
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: It's not Chad day Bell's children that are dead, it's

556
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: her children, it's her ex husband, So why are they

557
00:35:27,640 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: seeking the DP on him and not her. Plus we

558
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: have reason to believe her husband, her brother Alex, was

559
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: the killer of at least JJ, if not JJ and

560
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: Tyley Nancy. I honestly think perhaps they're waiting until she

561
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 1: was released from the hospital and is capable again. Maybe

562
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: they were just waiting until that happened. To add this

563
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,840
Speaker 1: additional level to this whole trial. I see no reason

564
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,399
Speaker 1: that she should not be you know, given the death penalty.

565
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:04,399
Speaker 1: If there was ever a case that begged for it,

566
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: it is this case. To trap your children in such

567
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 1: a way to not search for them, to while they're

568
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: missing and we know now dead, you're buying a wedding

569
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,520
Speaker 1: dress with your dead husband's card. Now you're using your

570
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: dead daughter's a debit card to go to Hawaii and

571
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,439
Speaker 1: live like you want to when you're literally on the run.

572
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 1: I mean, she didn't go there to get married only

573
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: she went there to again cover herself from somebody not

574
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: being able to testify against her, and to be on

575
00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 1: the run, not using her own money. Money continues to

576
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: be a motivating factor with this woman, Nate Eton. Originally

577
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: the judge had these two being tried together, claiming that

578
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: and he's right to this extent, that it was a

579
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,400
Speaker 1: common scheme, common course of conduct, the same facts, the

580
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,440
Speaker 1: same witnesses, so they should be tried together. But now

581
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: that the DP death pilties be sought on Chad day Bell,

582
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: I think that changes everything. I think the two are

583
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:10,279
Speaker 1: going to be severed and tried separately because there is

584
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: a constitutional issue. Under the Constitution of the sixth Amendment,

585
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: you have a right, of course to a lawyer. You

586
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: have a right to call witnesses in your behalf and

587
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 1: to cross examine witnesses against you. You have the right

588
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 1: to cross examination in the constitution. So if they're tried together,

589
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 1: what if Chad day Bell tries to call called Mom

590
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,839
Speaker 1: Laurie Valo, he can't because she cannot be cross examined.

591
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: And likewise, if the state tries to use her as

592
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 1: a witness against him she's on trial, they can't call

593
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: her to the stand. So I have a very difficult

594
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: time with the two of them being tried together. We've

595
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: gotten this far, don't screw it up by not severing

596
00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 1: the cases. Plus, if they're both going to finally ultimately

597
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 1: be subjected to the death penalty, they've got to be

598
00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: tried separately to preserve any conviction on appeal. Right now,

599
00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: has the jurisdiction, Has the venue been changed, Nate, it has.

600
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: It's been changed from Fremont County, which is on one

601
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: side of the state, to the Ada County, which is

602
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 1: our in our capital Boise, about four or five hours away.

603
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: The cost is going to be enormous, according to prosecutors,

604
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: because this is such a small county where these crimes happened.

605
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 1: That to transfer witnesses over staffing issues. So the prosecutor

606
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: is going to ask next week, on the same day

607
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 1: that Laurie's arraigned, he's going to ask that jurors actually

608
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: be bucked in and sequestered here in eastern Idaho. And

609
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,479
Speaker 1: that could be an interesting decision. Okay, now, wait a minute,

610
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:50,439
Speaker 1: wait a minute, let me just analyze what you just said.

611
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 1: That's a great alternative, because the whole point of changing

612
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: venue is to get a fair and impartial jury. If

613
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 1: you could get that jury in this distant reisdiction and

614
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 1: bring them to roll the witnesses are that would be

615
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: much more economical. And then moving all the witnesses, the judge,

616
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 1: everybody to another location be a lot more simple. So

617
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: that's on the table. When are we going to find

618
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: out if the state, now that she's been declared competent

619
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: stand trial? When are we going to find out if

620
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 1: the state is going to seek the DP on her

621
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: when Laurie appears next Tuesday. From that moment, the state

622
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: has sixty days to declare if they will pursue the

623
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: death penalty, and I'll be honest, in a lot of cases,

624
00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 1: they automatically will file that and say yes, we're going

625
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,359
Speaker 1: to pursue it, because then they can take it off

626
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: the table later as a bargaining tool or if they

627
00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: decide not to do it, but you can't add it

628
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 1: on after sixty days. So it's likely that they will

629
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: do that. And as far as your point about tying

630
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: them together, Nancy, everything's kind of been a wait and

631
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: see game with Laurie being in the state hospital. Now

632
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: that she's out, why do you keep referring to her

633
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:01,080
Speaker 1: on a first day basis, what do you think she's

634
00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:03,480
Speaker 1: inviting you over after the trial? Well, I'd love to

635
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 1: talk with her. I'd love to talk with her, and

636
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:09,600
Speaker 1: if she is now, now that she's competent, now that

637
00:40:09,640 --> 00:40:11,880
Speaker 1: the case has no longer stayed, you could see a

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Speaker 1: lot of moving pieces happen where things you know it's

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Speaker 1: about it's about to get I just do not understand

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Speaker 1: trying him with a DP and not her. She had

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Speaker 1: the ultimate duty for their safe keeping. She is their mother,

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Speaker 1: or was until she had them murdered. We wait as

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Speaker 1: just as sunfalls, Nancy Grace comes story, signing off good

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Speaker 1: bye friend,