1 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:21,880 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. Fake f a k e. Pseudo, pretend, imaginary, 2 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: call it whatever you want to, but this woman, Anna 3 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: Sarokan is a mastermind. Her whole alter ego of Anna Delvi, 4 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 1: a an heiress of sorts who takes the man patting 5 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: social scene by storm and builks people out of thousands 6 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: and thousands of dollars. She's created an entire fake persona 7 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:58,080 Speaker 1: Anna Delvi. She's really really Anna Sarrokin, and she's a 8 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: Netflix star of venting Anna. I watched all the episodes 9 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: so I wouldn't miss a crimey detail. Anna Sarokan has 10 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: just been released from a jail. And while her alter 11 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: egre maybe fake, the money she's pulling down from her 12 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: art is anything, but it is real. How is she 13 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: doing it? How did she do it the first time? 14 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: Scamming hundreds of people for thousands and thousands of dollars? 15 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:32,240 Speaker 1: Tens of thousands of dollars? I mean, I see, Grace, 16 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thanks for being with us here 17 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: at Fox Nation. In Serious X one eleven in the 18 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:43,360 Speaker 1: Last Days, Anna Sarokan is released from jail in Upstate 19 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: New York in an effort to trick paparazzi. She's taken, 20 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: like a celebrity movie star out of the jail in 21 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: a tinted window white van through a back street to 22 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: you know, evade everyone trying to get a picture of her. 23 00:02:02,880 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: I guess you probably would want to charge the money 24 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,960 Speaker 1: for it, and off she goes. She goes straight from 25 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: jail after being convicted of Bill King, friends and others 26 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: well over a quarter of a million dollars about three 27 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars Banks Hotels, swanky New York Eateryes, financers, 28 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 1: so called friends. Well, for the last eighteen months, he's 29 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 1: been in ice custody. I guess watching reruns of her 30 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 1: Netflix series Inventing Anna, but she has headed straight to 31 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 1: house arrest. And believe it or not, the brazen, the brazen, 32 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: fake Heiress Anna Sarokan actually staged a photo shoot at 33 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: her Walk Up apartment where she's on house arrest by ice. Again, 34 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: the fake German Heiress Anna sarokin She's seemingly making the 35 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: most of her time on house arrest, posing for cameras 36 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,839 Speaker 1: at her walk Up apartment where she will stay as 37 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 1: she fights deportation. All this as she flogs sells hawks 38 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: her so called artwork. In a way, it reminds me 39 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:23,080 Speaker 1: of Jody Arius. How many love lorn men have paid 40 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 1: good money for Jody arius artwork. Remember, she murdered her lover, 41 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: Travis Alexander stabbed them at least twenty nine times I 42 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: say thirty. Kind of hard to tell because some of 43 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: the stab wounds actually overlap the other stab wounds before 44 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: she capped it off with a cap in the head 45 00:03:40,240 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 1: with her handgun. She's selling artwork too, to guys that 46 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: actually think they are in love with her and that 47 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 1: she is in love with them. Little do they know 48 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: unless they're listening right now, that she actually traces those 49 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: pictures out of magazines and then sells them to the 50 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: love lorn. Anyway, back to Anna saro A ka Anna Delvy, 51 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: we now know that her artwork is being sold. Not 52 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: only is she hawking her artwork, she actually was invited 53 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 1: to speak at Columbia Journalism School. She surprised journalist students 54 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,479 Speaker 1: last month when she appeared virtually at their intro to 55 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 1: reporting class. She took that opportunity to trash the press 56 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: and talk about how she was so misconstrued, so misunderstood. 57 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: But first, can we just talk about the photoshoot. The photoshoot, 58 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,599 Speaker 1: what do you say narcissistic? She's ripped off so called 59 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: friends and others for nearly three hundred thousand dollars that 60 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 1: we know of, Yet she immediately stages a photoshoot while 61 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: she's on home house arrest. How did that happen? As 62 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 1: she is selling her artwork and staging photo shoots and 63 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: speaking at Columbia Journalist School, can we just have a 64 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: reality check? Take a listen to Inside Edition. She claims 65 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: she was a wealthy heiress from Europe worth more than 66 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:29,919 Speaker 1: sixty million dollars, but it was a lie. An Asurkin 67 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: went to prison for two years for defrauding banks, hotels, 68 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: and even her closest friends out of hundreds of thousands 69 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: of dollars. Her trial drew international attention. This woman made 70 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:46,559 Speaker 1: national headlines posing as a wealthy woman. Now, the woman 71 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: known as the SOHO Grifter is speaking to ABC's Deebrah Roberts. 72 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: This is the first time you've sat down for television interview. 73 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: Why are you talking with us? Why not? I would 74 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: like to show the well, I'm not this greedy person 75 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 1: that they portrayed me to be. You ask her who 76 00:06:04,640 --> 00:06:07,600 Speaker 1: she really is? Did she tell you Anna Saurgan is 77 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 1: very complicated character? You might believe that Anna Saurgan is 78 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:16,560 Speaker 1: a very gifty, clever, want to be businesswoman or a 79 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,840 Speaker 1: complete con artist. And there are many people in her 80 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: wake who would tell you that she is the classic 81 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: con artist. Why can't she be both? Why can't she 82 00:06:26,320 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: be a great business person and the ultimate scammer? I 83 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 1: see her as both. Take a listen hour cut one 84 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: from the Vanity Fair special Scandalous. By twenty sixteen, Anna 85 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:43,600 Speaker 1: delvi was a regular in the NYC social scene, frequenting 86 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: many popular downtown restaurants, bars, and clubs. With an extravagant 87 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: lifestyle and a seemingly endless supply of money. Delvie was 88 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:54,200 Speaker 1: an enigma that was made for the age of Instagram, 89 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,599 Speaker 1: always at the right place, with the right people, living 90 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 1: her best life, but with no apparent cause for her fame. 91 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: With Me and All Star Panel to make sense of 92 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: what we know right now With Me Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, 93 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: author of Red Flags and hosted Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ. 94 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: You can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD dot com. 95 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Donna Rockwell Special Guests joining US clinical psychologists in 96 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 1: both Michigan and New York specializing in celebrity mental health 97 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: on faculty Saybrook University. Jim Ellis with a Special Guests 98 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: joining US certified fraud examiner, former fed with the FBI. 99 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: Don't mess with this guy, FBI agent twenty nine years now, 100 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: Private investigator at jk E Texas Private Investigator jke Texas 101 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 1: dot com. But first, I want to go to a 102 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: woman I've been dying to talk to, Rebecca Rosenberg with 103 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: Fox News Digital. She's a crime reporter and author of 104 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 1: a fantastic book At any Cost, Rebecca, who is this woman? 105 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:07,920 Speaker 1: Who is this woman? Well, her family came from Russia, 106 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: they moved to Germany, and I believe her father was 107 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: actually a truck driver. She does not come from a 108 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 1: wealthy family, and she just invented this identity when she 109 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: came to New York. Now, her coming to New York 110 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 1: was quite a story. So Russian born moving to Germany, 111 00:08:30,960 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: the child of a truck driver. She ends up getting 112 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: a job or an internship that takes her to Paris. 113 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: From there, the position brings her to New York. I 114 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: believe it was Montalk and then she very simply overstayed 115 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: her visa, which thousands of people do every year, but 116 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: none do it in the style of Anna Sirokin. And 117 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut six our friends at 118 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 1: Inside Edition. She in a courtroom or at a red 119 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: carpet event. Anna Saurkin is accused of posing as an 120 00:09:05,200 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: heiress to live an extravagant lifestyle, but it's what she's 121 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,960 Speaker 1: wearing to trial that is making headlines. The twenty seven 122 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: year old defendant showed up wearing a form fitting black 123 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: dress with a plunging neckline and choker necklace. It's a 124 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: look that could backfire. Warren stylist Don Karen black dress 125 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: definitely a no no. It hyper sexualize her, It makes 126 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: her appear to be like a seductress. The choker kind 127 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:33,079 Speaker 1: of shows to me that she's trying to be overtly sexy. 128 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: The more sexy she appears to be it hurts her. 129 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 1: Sourkin is so obsessed with her clothes she refused to 130 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: enter the courtroom because the outfit she was given to 131 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: wear was not up to her standards. The angry judge 132 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: told her this is unacceptable and inappropriate. This is not 133 00:09:49,640 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 1: a fashion show. Wow, Well, you know what, it didn't work. 134 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: She continued wearing design her clothes to every single court appears. 135 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,680 Speaker 1: But this goes way back her. Her desire for a 136 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:05,440 Speaker 1: lifestyle she could not afford started in her teens. Take 137 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: a listening to every Buddy Jesse Palmer at Daily MAILTV, Anna, 138 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: who interned at a trendy French magazine, reportedly managed to 139 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: scam extended stays in swanky Manhattan hotels, dinner at high 140 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: end restaurants, and flights on chartered jets to finance her 141 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: lavish lifestyle and keep the grift going. She allegedly built 142 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: banks out of thousands in cash. And that's not all. 143 00:10:28,920 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: The fake heiress reportedly fleeced her friend out of sixty 144 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars for a world class trip to Morocco. 145 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 1: But Anna went too far when she attempted to take 146 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: out a loan for twenty two million dollars to finance 147 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: a visual arts center she called the Anna Delvi Foundation. 148 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 1: In all, Anna reportedly scammed a total of two hundred 149 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:53,319 Speaker 1: and seventy five thousand dollars and a double life began 150 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:56,679 Speaker 1: to crumble as hotels went after her unpaid debts and 151 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:14,440 Speaker 1: banks began to investigate her alleged assets. Crime Stories with 152 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. For those of you just joining us, I'm 153 00:11:18,000 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace and this is crime story. Thanks for being 154 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: with us. You know, it seems like the bad keep 155 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:26,880 Speaker 1: making more money while the goods suffer. How can that be? 156 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: How can fake Harris Anna Sirokan, who would like you 157 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: to think her name is Anna Delve? How comes she 158 00:11:35,040 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: is getting art shows at galleries? How comes she is 159 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: selling a piece of paper she scribbled on behind bars 160 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: for twenty thousand dollars? Why is she getting a photo shoot? 161 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 1: But I'm thinking about millions of working moms every day 162 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,839 Speaker 1: who were prettier, smarter, and certainly more honest. They don't 163 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: get a photo shoot. She pretended to be the heir 164 00:11:56,520 --> 00:12:01,440 Speaker 1: to a sixty million euro fortune and she ripped off 165 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: about two hundred thousand dollars from banks hotels. I mean, 166 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: maybe it's just me, but to you, Doctor Donna Rockwell 167 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: joining US Clinical Psychologist Faculties Saber University. Doctor Rockwell, I 168 00:12:14,760 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 1: don't know very many people except maybe Eloise, that lives 169 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:22,839 Speaker 1: in hotels. No, I guess we don't really know many 170 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: people who live in hotels. But It's very posh, isn't 171 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 1: it to do that? She might be a eloise poser, 172 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: I guess, but you know that makes her look really 173 00:12:33,640 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: unattainable and like she's got lots of money. So I 174 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: think people in her situation will do anything they can 175 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 1: to look like they're billionaires, not even millionaires. And Rebecca 176 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:47,839 Speaker 1: Rosenberg joining us in Fox News Digital. Rebecca, she wasn't 177 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: just staying down at the Motel six. She was staying 178 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: a very very expensive and luxurious hotels. Yes, she was 179 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: staying at eleven Howard Street for a very long time. 180 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: It racked up a bill that tens of thousands of dollars, 181 00:13:06,200 --> 00:13:08,679 Speaker 1: and that's where she lived here for a big chunk 182 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: of the times in New York. You know, it was 183 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: really interesting that she created this illusion that super rich 184 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:24,400 Speaker 1: and super educated people fell for, and I guess you'd 185 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: call it New York society. Until she went and basically 186 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: invited herself to be on a yacht in Ibiza, and 187 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,400 Speaker 1: then after everyone got off at the end of the vacation, 188 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,959 Speaker 1: she and her boyfriend turn around and get back on 189 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:48,240 Speaker 1: and stay for another week or ten days. I mean, 190 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: Jim Ellis, you're the certified fraud examined her former FBI 191 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: agent twenty nine years For beat's sake, when you commandeer 192 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,880 Speaker 1: a yacht with a captain and a staff and all 193 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: food and you're out at sea and the gas that 194 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: is a huge bill, a huge bill. And frankly, you know, 195 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: she probably could have been stopped and exposed at that 196 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 1: point if any of these people along the way he'd 197 00:14:16,559 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: lost money, who got you enticed by her story, had 198 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: actually applied reason and common sense at a certain point, 199 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: things wouldn't have gotten as far as as they did. Yeah, 200 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: you know, that's really interesting. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author 201 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: of Red Flags. You can hear her on today with 202 00:14:37,240 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: doctor Wendy CASEYBQ. Doctor Wendy, I find it, Wendy Patrick, 203 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: I find it really interesting that the owners or the 204 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: people that had rented the yacht originally didn't go after her. 205 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: Now they were are really really wealthy hamp Tonights. And 206 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: I got to tell you some thing, Wendy, I've been 207 00:15:01,400 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: to the Hampton's a couple of times for charity when 208 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: I would be speaking to a group or raising money 209 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: somehow or other. That's the same, Wendy, I couldn't wait 210 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: till I packed up my little rental car and got out. 211 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I knew I was a dog upstairs. I 212 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: did not fit in. That was not where I was 213 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 1: supposed to be. And these rich people that got ripped 214 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: off but didn't report it what they didn't want to 215 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,320 Speaker 1: look stupid or what. Yeah, I know that's right, Nancy. 216 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: I'm like you. I'm more I'm more familiar with the 217 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: Hampton Inn with the free breakfast. I'm stealing it. Go ahead. 218 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: So this is the this is the problem with the 219 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: super super rich. And it is a problem because financial 220 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: responsibility should be everyone's responsibility. But they probably either didn't 221 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: know where didn't care. Why do I say that, because 222 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: we've covered so many stories where you do have the 223 00:15:56,840 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: ultra rich that are scammed are defrauded by somebody like Anna, 224 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: but don't consider it in the balance to be worth 225 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: their while to pursue it, not realizing there may be 226 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: so many other victims that they might be preventing by 227 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 1: putting it into it sooner rather than later. That may 228 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: be why they didn't say anything. I'm not quite sure 229 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenborg what her motivation is other than just living 230 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: the high life. But imagine the impact she could have 231 00:16:23,080 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: made being the daughter of a truck driver. I mean, 232 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: I'm the daughter of railroad worker and a bank teller, 233 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: and I know my parents worked overtime to send me 234 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: to college, send me to law school, and so much more. 235 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:41,360 Speaker 1: She actually has a brilliant mind. Yeah, but I don't 236 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 1: think that if she had been honest about her origins, 237 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: anybody and the people that she was trying to hang 238 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:49,800 Speaker 1: out with the New York that they would have really 239 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: paid attention to her. We know she was born in Russia, 240 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: grew up in Germany. Her father worked at a transport company. 241 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: It went and solvent. At nineteen, she left her parents 242 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:07,359 Speaker 1: and brother for Paris to pursue fashion. She has only 243 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:11,520 Speaker 1: ever spoken very vaguely of her parents, who she terms conservative. 244 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,320 Speaker 1: But while she's in Paris, she takes on the name 245 00:17:14,680 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: Anna Delvi and she shoots photographs for a fashion art 246 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:24,399 Speaker 1: magazine named Purple. She only got four hundred euros a month, 247 00:17:25,240 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: and she stayed financially dependent on her parents, who would 248 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 1: send her money and pay for her apartment. Then she 249 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: had a breakup, headed to New York and she went 250 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 1: for a trip to Montauk and then fashion week, and 251 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 1: that really did it. When she was at fashion Week, 252 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: there was no suggestion she would ever turn back. She 253 00:17:47,840 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: went from boutique hotel to boutique hotel, always handing out 254 00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: crisp one hundred dollar tips and putting off bills with 255 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: promises of wire transfer. Then never happened. So, Rebecca Rosenberg, 256 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 1: I know we've got the one victim, Rachel Delosa Williams, 257 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: but that's two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars. What 258 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,440 Speaker 1: about all of the hotels and all the other people 259 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:20,200 Speaker 1: she ripped off a lot of people didn't come forward. 260 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:23,359 Speaker 1: And actually Rachel Delosia is really interesting because at the 261 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: end Rachel actually couldn't get paid restitution because the jury 262 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: did not find Stroken guilty of ripping her off. That 263 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,160 Speaker 1: was kind of that was one of the charges they 264 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: did not convict on. Take a listen, our cut five 265 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 1: be our friends at time. Prosecutor Katherine McCaw says, the 266 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,400 Speaker 1: defendant has not a sent to her name as far 267 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: as we can determine, also noting that Sorokin is Russian born, 268 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:52,719 Speaker 1: not German, though she could be deported to Germany no 269 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: matter how the trial turns out. As she's reportedly overstayed 270 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,679 Speaker 1: her visa. Under the name Anna Delvi, she arrived in 271 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: New York with a high priced wardrobe and was known 272 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: for handing out one hundred dollar cash tips, reportedly saying 273 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: at different points that her father was a diplomat, an 274 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: oil baron, or involved in the solar panel business, none 275 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: of which are the case. People who knew her said 276 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: she often asked others to use their credit cards to 277 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 1: cover cab and plane fares and then failing to repay them. 278 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: Rebecca Rosenberg Netflix multi episode creation Inventing Anna. What is it? 279 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:31,679 Speaker 1: It's a show based on her life story, so based 280 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 1: on her, it kind of glamorizes her. I'd say her 281 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 1: criminal activity in New York for which she was convicted, 282 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: and she sold her life rights to Netflix for them 283 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 1: to do the show. So this woman cons she cons big. 284 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut two from Vanity Fair. 285 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: Prior to their departure, Davis's manager told her Delvi's bill 286 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: and room charges were starting to mount and we're still unpaid. 287 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 1: As a result, the hotel changed Delvi's room code and 288 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: detained all of her personal belongings. To renew her visa, 289 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: Delvey said she had to spend intervals of time out 290 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:13,639 Speaker 1: of the country, so she decided to embark on an 291 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,960 Speaker 1: adventure to Morocco. She invited her New York City circle 292 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: of friends. This trip was the quintessential example of the 293 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: lavish lifestyle that Delvey was known for, a private villa 294 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: with a personal butler, all for just a mere seven 295 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a night. During their trip, Delvey, making one 296 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:32,640 Speaker 1: excuse after another, press Williams to pick up the tab 297 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: more and more frequently, eventually covering costs for dinner and 298 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: expensive Moroccan dresses, a stark change from the days Delvie 299 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,040 Speaker 1: would pay for everything. Then, one morning, Delvey was informed 300 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,919 Speaker 1: by a hotel employee that they did not have a 301 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: working credit card on file. Delve brushed this off as 302 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: an issue with her bank, but soon after Williams was 303 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: pressured into putting down her credit card by hotel management 304 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: staff and security members. Knowing something was not right, Williams 305 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: left Morocco. Will Delve stayed behind crime stories with Nancy Grace. 306 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,639 Speaker 1: In the last hours, fake airis Anna Delvi Sirokan was 307 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 1: spotted at the window of her New York apartment. She's 308 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: supposed to be spending twenty four hours a day there 309 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: under ice detention after convincing a judge to free her 310 00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 1: before she's deported. And I gotta tell you, I actually agree, 311 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: believe it or not, with Anna Delvi Sarrokin on this one. 312 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: Why are we letting murderers and rapists and dope dealers 313 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: free who should be deported, yet we're keeping this thirty 314 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 1: one year old female scammars behind bars? You know, frankly, 315 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 1: I'd like to have them all behind bars, But if 316 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: somebody's going to be released, I guess it should be her. 317 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:06,159 Speaker 1: That's kind of the worst choice of all. But that said, 318 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:10,119 Speaker 1: she's managed to make the most of it. She was 319 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 1: recently seen I'm referring to the fraudster Anasarokan hanging out 320 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: of her window in the East Village apartment in Manhattan 321 00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:21,600 Speaker 1: having a photo shoot. She hung out on her rooftop 322 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:26,679 Speaker 1: with her agent. Yes she has an agent and a 323 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 1: PR guru, Yes she has a PR guru during a 324 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 1: photo shoot. And I'm looking at the photos right now, 325 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: I guess I'm just as guilty because I'm actually looking 326 00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,400 Speaker 1: at the photos. I'm looking at a video of her 327 00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: right now, hanging out of her apartment window for a 328 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 1: photo shoot. But that's not all. You know what, if 329 00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,640 Speaker 1: this woman wants to sell twenty thousand dollars pieces of artwork, 330 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 1: if there is a nut out there that will buy it, 331 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: you know what, get after it, girl. But let's not 332 00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: forget about the people that were fleece out of good 333 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: money by the so called heiress. Jim Ellis joining us 334 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,320 Speaker 1: former fed with the FBI. Have you ever seen anything 335 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:13,000 Speaker 1: like it where a person who is so obsessed with 336 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: a lifestyle or getting money actually has alternate identities and 337 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:24,000 Speaker 1: scams and lies to even their closest friends they're lovers. 338 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. I mean in her heart, Anasauric is a 339 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: con and she basically just cares about herself and she 340 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: doesn't care what's left in her wake. And I've seen 341 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: this through my career, both as an FBI agent and 342 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: as a private investigator. People act the same way. I'm 343 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:51,199 Speaker 1: familiar with one con artist who dressed up. He's a 344 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,399 Speaker 1: Southern Baptist boy from Louisiana, and he dressed stuff like 345 00:23:55,480 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: an Hasidic jew complete with clothing and makeup, so he 346 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: could go vouch to other people in the Jewish community 347 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,840 Speaker 1: for himself. I mean that people will go to no 348 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:12,919 Speaker 1: ends to satisfy their greed, to satisfy their want for 349 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: fame and power. How do you untangle a case like this, well, 350 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: I mean, obviously from a law enforcement perspective, you don't 351 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,400 Speaker 1: even know about it to somebody reports it. I think 352 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: the one thing that that the Netflix show did a 353 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: good job of, even if it partly is fictionalized, is 354 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:37,119 Speaker 1: the dog at work of the the investigative reporter. You 355 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: can only tell so much online. You have to get 356 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:43,640 Speaker 1: out there and talk to people and get actual documents, 357 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 1: and that's the only way to untangle the deceit that 358 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: the con puts up. I'm thinking about her personality. She 359 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,959 Speaker 1: goes to trial, she goes to trial. I want you 360 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,040 Speaker 1: to hear what the attorney said in court takeless a 361 00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: cut seven air Prince at Guma. She had to fake 362 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: it until she can make it. Those words from the 363 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: defendant's own attorney, who claims she never intended to commit 364 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 1: a crime, but prosecutors call her a fraud and a 365 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 1: liar who would do almost anything to prolong her life 366 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: of luxury. This morning, the fate of an alleged scam 367 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: artist is now in the hands of a jury, both 368 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: sides wrapping up arguments for a case that's drawn international outrage. 369 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: The style savvy defendant even turning heads in court wearing 370 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: an animal print dress. She called herself Anna Delvi, a 371 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: fashionable globetrotter who prosecutors say was pretending to be a 372 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: high flying German heiress living a fairy tale life of 373 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: glitz and glam among Manhattan's elite. Wow, Okay, take a 374 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: listen to her. Anna Sirokan, in her own words, are 375 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: cut nine from the BBC. Did you get a thrill 376 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,439 Speaker 1: from it? I mean, were you satisfied when you got 377 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: away with something, when you achieved something, when you slipped 378 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: under the radar and didn't have to pay? Was it thrilling? 379 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely not, because in my head I never thought that 380 00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: I was cheating or getting away with anything. In my head, 381 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: like any money that would borrow from them, they would 382 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: be getting back. And I felt like they portrayed me 383 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: is like someone who is very manipulative, which I don't 384 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 1: think I am. And I was never really liked too 385 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 1: nice of a person. I was never like really trying 386 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: to talk my way and say anything. I kind of 387 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: just told people what I wanted and like the either 388 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: gave it to me or not, and I just moved on. 389 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,080 Speaker 1: But she taught them into what she wanted through lines. 390 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: I mean, Donna Rockwell, we really need to shrink. How 391 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 1: can she take hundreds of thousands of dollars in luxury hotels, 392 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: clothing that she got her friends to pay for, wrecking 393 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: up credit cards she needs? She'd never pay back hundreds 394 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars in credit cards, all based on lies. 395 00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: I mean, she had to know that was wrong. She 396 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 1: wasn't just faking it, fake it till you make it. 397 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: She was outright lying for goods and services. Yes, she 398 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 1: was outright lying. That's how we see it. It's interesting, 399 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:12,639 Speaker 1: you know, because a person who has early life narcissistic wounds, okay, 400 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: I see, I don't know what that means, what it 401 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: means that someone is only really thinking about themselves. But 402 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: you said a narcissistic wound. What's a narcissistic wound? I 403 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: know who narcissis is, but what's a narcissistic wound? When 404 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: we're babies, If our mother or primary caretaker doesn't look 405 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: at us and say, who's a pretty baby? Who's a 406 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: pretty baby, we don't know that we exist. So without 407 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: early life mirroring, meaning the parent or the caregivers looking 408 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: at you, you know you're existing, you're smiling back. There 409 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,920 Speaker 1: becomes a deficit that develops in a person, and that 410 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: is who becomes a narcissist or a self serving person 411 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: in adulthood, and we probably know many of them in 412 00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: our own lives. However, in the context of same, there's 413 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: something called acquired situational narcissism, which means that the situations 414 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: that we come into after we're a baby, in other words, 415 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: like Anna when she was in her nineteen and in 416 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: her twenties, is enough to turn us into that kind 417 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: of a person, meaning all for me and none for you. 418 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 1: And how does she get away with that? She gets 419 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 1: away with it because she's in denial, which is a 420 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: psychological coping mechanism. So the only way that she can 421 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: do these things is to not have a conscience, to 422 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: not think about it. So she has a sense of 423 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: acquired situational narcissism because of her situations and then wanted 424 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 1: more of it and more of it and more of it. 425 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: And what people don't really understand about saying is that 426 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 1: it is addictive. As heroine the second we get a 427 00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: taste of the spotlight, most of us we want more 428 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,440 Speaker 1: and more and more. And that's what happened with Anna. 429 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: She was in denial. She was projecting anything that she 430 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: was thinking about herself onto other people. She asked for 431 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: what she wanted, as we just heard on the tapes, 432 00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 1: she got it or she didn't get it, and she 433 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: moved on. She did not have a conscience to think 434 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: about is this the right thing? Am I hurting anybody? 435 00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:16,760 Speaker 1: That's not how these people think. And it became more 436 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 1: and more and more because same is addictive, you know, 437 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: Wendy passion. She may have justified it in her own mind, 438 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: certainly not defending her, because this is irrational red. This 439 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: is not reasoning, it's irrational. She was taking from rich 440 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: people in the Hamptons. I'm talking to like thirty million 441 00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: dollar homes with you know, guesthouses that are bigger than 442 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 1: our homes or apartments. She was taking from someone that 443 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: could afford it, while she overstayed on the yacht for 444 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 1: a week because somebody else much richer than her was 445 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 1: paying for it. So I wonder in her mind did 446 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 1: she justify it that way? Only had it been a 447 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: very short amount of time or something overall week gand 448 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 1: or maybe even a week, but the amount of time, 449 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: the duration that this went on, there was no conceivable 450 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: way in her mind that she possibly could have thought 451 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: she would pay any of it back. You know, she 452 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: may have faked it until she made it when she 453 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,840 Speaker 1: first got to New York, but when stealing money from 454 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: others over that period of time, faking it is fraud. 455 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: Hopefully that was a sound bite somebody used at her trial, 456 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: because there's no other ways circumstantially you can justify that 457 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 1: many victims over that long a period of time, and 458 00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: even now it's still all about her. Take a listen 459 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: to our friend Emily Mateless at the BBC cut ten. 460 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: Why do you think so many people believed you then? 461 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: What was it in your personality that could convince people? 462 00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think like maybe believed I was 463 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: smart and I was working on something that was that 464 00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: could have like a great potential and that would be successful. 465 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't feel like it has much 466 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,080 Speaker 1: to do with my personality. I guess i'd like I 467 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: really believed in myself and what I was doing. I 468 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:05,040 Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's hard to explain. I guess like 469 00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: people just see like I'm talented, and I was fokist, 470 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: and I worked hard, and I couldn't make them a 471 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: lot of money. Rebecca Rosenberg worked hard at WHAT. Every 472 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: time I see a photo or a post of her, 473 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: she's on a luxury trip or she's shopping at WHAT. Well, 474 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: I think I think her a lot of her victims 475 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:27,040 Speaker 1: wanted to believe in her success because it meant their 476 00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: success too. You know, if she's saying, Okay, I'm going 477 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,600 Speaker 1: to build this Anna Delby Foundation in Manhattan for twenty 478 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:37,000 Speaker 1: two million, and you know one of the person, one 479 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:39,840 Speaker 1: of the people she'd do with, the architect, well for him, 480 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: you know, he he wanted to be involved in that 481 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: big project, so he wanted to sort of believe the 482 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: lie because it would ultimately help him. So I think 483 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: a lot of it was people wanting to kind of 484 00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: believe it was true because there was an advantage to them. 485 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: These are just some of the things. And I want 486 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: to go to you on Jim Alice that we have 487 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: unco word falsifying financial documents from international banks wait for it, 488 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: totally approximately sixty million euros securing a loan of one 489 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: hundred grand after lying to bank reps from CTI, depositing 490 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 1: countless bad checks and to other banks. I guess you 491 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,600 Speaker 1: know how you flow to check. You deposit a check, 492 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 1: you woudraw the funds, and then you try to short 493 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 1: up from another bad account so that won't fall through, 494 00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: and then another You basically play ropa dope on banks. 495 00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: That was totally nearly eighty thousand dollars. That doesn't include 496 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 1: the money she conned off her friends, never paying them back, 497 00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: theft of services almost a half a million dollars. I 498 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:56,520 Speaker 1: mean that's a lot of money. Jim. Oh, absolutely, it's 499 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,320 Speaker 1: a lot of money. And you mentioned it earlier you 500 00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: weren't sure how she ever worked hard. She worked hard 501 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:08,400 Speaker 1: in preparing all these fraudulent documents and passing all those 502 00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:13,200 Speaker 1: bogus checks and coming up with stories that were plausible 503 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,040 Speaker 1: but yet not too specific. The life of the con 504 00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:21,000 Speaker 1: is hard work, and they do it for the for 505 00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 1: the power, they do it for the money, they do 506 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: it for the thing. I think she solved the banks 507 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: as her potential savior. You know, you think of of 508 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: like Elizabeth Holmes with Sarinos. You know, was she a 509 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 1: genius or was she a scam artist. You know, if 510 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: if if Sorkin was able to produce all these phony 511 00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: documents and convince a bank to lend her twenty two 512 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: million dollars, So why explain that to us mere mortals? 513 00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: What do you mean, produce phony documents and convince big 514 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 1: banks to learn her a lot of money? Sure it happened. 515 00:33:57,040 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: You know, she apparently was really adept in in Adobe photoshop. 516 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,240 Speaker 1: I mean, she was taking documents and altering them to 517 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: convince the bankers that she had Swiss bank accounts, that 518 00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 1: she had trust documents, that she had lawyers and CPAs 519 00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: or accountants over in Europe. And it was going, at 520 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: least to a certain extent, probably until it hit the 521 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 1: underwriting department, the people in the back of the office 522 00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: who make sure everything's all the boxes are checked. It 523 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,920 Speaker 1: was it was painting a picture of her, of exactly 524 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 1: who she was claiming to be. And I think as 525 00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: she probably she possibly could have felt that if she 526 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:45,279 Speaker 1: was able to land that roan, in her mind, she 527 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 1: probably was going to pay all those people back that 528 00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,319 Speaker 1: she had scammed prends. In her mind, it's and she 529 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,040 Speaker 1: may have we don't know, she's kicking the can down 530 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,239 Speaker 1: the road, she's getting her next victim and when that, 531 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:02,160 Speaker 1: when it comes time pay them back, she'll worry about 532 00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: that later. It's it's never ending. I mean, it's it's 533 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: what brings down every Ponzi scheme in the end. And 534 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,719 Speaker 1: this wasn't a large scale Ponzi scheme, but you know, 535 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: some of them money she scammed from from through those 536 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: phony checks that she deposited with City Bank and the 537 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: loans she got from um City National Bank. She used 538 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,520 Speaker 1: to pay some of her debts that to the hotels 539 00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: and other businesses so that she could stay afloat and 540 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 1: maintain that illusion. Well, Jamlis, I guess what you're saying 541 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: is she would pay back the hotels to the extent 542 00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: that she could get them to allow her to stay 543 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,160 Speaker 1: there for even longer. I mean, what does it mean 544 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: to Kata check? Well, to Kaida check. And it's a 545 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 1: lot harder nowadays than they used to be because the float, 546 00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: which is the time that the check is deposited into 547 00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,960 Speaker 1: one bank and actually clears in the originating bank, it's 548 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: so much shorter. But you you basically take a check 549 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:03,920 Speaker 1: and you present it to a bank that you know 550 00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:08,440 Speaker 1: is worthless, ordered may appear it has funds, but by 551 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: the time that check is presented for payment to the 552 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,760 Speaker 1: originating bank, and I'm sorry this is probably very very technical, 553 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: there aren't any funds available. And from what I read, 554 00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: she's submitted one hundred and sixty thousand dollars worth of 555 00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: fraud in the checks and she was able to get 556 00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: seventy thousand in cash out of it. That's a that's 557 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,560 Speaker 1: actually a really good turnaround on the scam, guys. I 558 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: Nancy Grayson missus Crime Stories. Fake eiris Anna Sirokan, who 559 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,480 Speaker 1: fleeced New York society to the tune of nearly three 560 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,399 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars, was turned into a Netflix star as 561 00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: now selling her quote quote artwork she created behind bars 562 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 1: for up to twenty thousand dollars a piece as she 563 00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: looks for ways to bring in the green after being released. 564 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: But as we hear about her art shows and her 565 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 1: artwork and her photo shoot while she's on house arrest, 566 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,000 Speaker 1: can we just think back to how the hey she 567 00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:21,440 Speaker 1: ended up behind bars? Anyway, take a listen to our 568 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:24,959 Speaker 1: friends at GMA Good Morning America. The courtroom drama played 569 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,360 Speaker 1: out late into the evening. At one point, the jury 570 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,680 Speaker 1: appeared deadlock, the defense asking for a mistrial, but then 571 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 1: the verdict jurors agreeing with the prosecution that Annasaurkin built 572 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: her fairytale life on a foundation of theft and lies. Overnight, 573 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: a New York City jury finding socialite Annasaurkan, a so 574 00:37:43,640 --> 00:37:48,320 Speaker 1: called SOHO grifter, guilty on eight counts, including grand larceny, 575 00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,840 Speaker 1: attempted grand larceny, and theft of services. Prosecutors arguing the 576 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,240 Speaker 1: twenty eight year old stole a quarter of a million 577 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,720 Speaker 1: dollars from banks, hotels and friends to fund a lavish 578 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 1: lifestyle tour. Is obviously believed our point of view and 579 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 1: followed our logic and acquitted her for the top charges. 580 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm sad and that she was convicted of some of 581 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: the other charges. Sorkin was acquitted of two charges, including 582 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,920 Speaker 1: the most serious, so attempting to steal more than one 583 00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:16,680 Speaker 1: million dollars from City National Bank. She now faces deportation 584 00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,719 Speaker 1: and up the fifteen years in prison. Jee Rebecca Resibery, 585 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,600 Speaker 1: joining us from Foxy's Digital, explained the split verdict. What 586 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: was she convicted on? Anne on? What was she acquitted? 587 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:32,160 Speaker 1: She was acquitted on trying to score this massive twenty 588 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,800 Speaker 1: million dollars loan, which was one of the top charges. 589 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: That was the attempted grand larceny, and she was acquitted 590 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 1: of stealing the number kind of buried, but around seventy 591 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: thousand from Rachel Deloche. That was the trip that she 592 00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:50,960 Speaker 1: invited her best friend at the time, Richard delochean to Morocco, 593 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,319 Speaker 1: where they stayed in the seven thousand a night Riad 594 00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: in maritsh And at the end of the trip she 595 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: stuck her with the bill. She persuaded her to put 596 00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: the entire trip on her credit card and she would 597 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,920 Speaker 1: pay her back. So those were the two main counts 598 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 1: she was acquitted on and then she was convicted in 599 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:16,520 Speaker 1: She was convicted in the chartered plane incident. Wait, wait, 600 00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,759 Speaker 1: let me let that so Ken Rebecca Eisenberg. They chartered 601 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: plane incident. What was that? So it was called Blade 602 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: as the company, and she persuaded them to fly her 603 00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,840 Speaker 1: without paying up front to a Berkshire Halthaway conference in 604 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:38,719 Speaker 1: Omaha and basically was like, I'll pay you later, and 605 00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: they thought she'd paid them later and she didn't. And 606 00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: that was about thirty five thousand dollars. It was a 607 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:50,719 Speaker 1: chartered flight. They chartered flight incident Okay, so she ends 608 00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: up going to not just jail, but to Rikers. Is 609 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: anybody on the panel familiar with Rikers? Okay, yes, just 610 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:04,080 Speaker 1: by reputation. Yeah, you don't want to go there unless 611 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: you have to take a Listen to Anna Sorokin speaking 612 00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:13,239 Speaker 1: to our friend Deborah Roberts at ABC. Now thirty years old, 613 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 1: Sorkin says she's paid for her mistakes, her time behind bars, 614 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:20,920 Speaker 1: including nineteen months in New York's infamous Rikers Island, jailed, 615 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:25,160 Speaker 1: some of it in solitary confinement. You're being held in Rikers, 616 00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:29,759 Speaker 1: one of the most frightening jails in the country. What 617 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: was that like for you? Were you terrified in a 618 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: way that was therapeutic? I mean it's a therapeutic I 619 00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,239 Speaker 1: for example, use the time, like to read a lot 620 00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,640 Speaker 1: and to write. You've heard that you've said that it's 621 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,040 Speaker 1: a prison is kind of a waste of time. Yeah, 622 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:48,880 Speaker 1: taking a person, stripping them off everything, putting them somewhere 623 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: where they have pretty much very few opportunities to rehabilitate. 624 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,240 Speaker 1: So how is this supposed to help someone who already 625 00:40:56,239 --> 00:40:59,240 Speaker 1: had to resort to life of crime? And that tells 626 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:05,160 Speaker 1: me right there that Anna Delvi aka Anna Sirokin learned 627 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 1: nothing from our time behind bars, Wendy Patch rate nothing. 628 00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,840 Speaker 1: It also tells us that she's admitting that she resorted 629 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,839 Speaker 1: to a life of crime, which countradicts everything she said 630 00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: before the trial and even in some interviews after the trial. 631 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,640 Speaker 1: She knew because she wasn't working, as you pointed out 632 00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: several times, there was no way she was going to 633 00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:26,080 Speaker 1: be able to repay these loans. But sitting through the trial, 634 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:30,240 Speaker 1: sitting in Riker's Island prison therapeutic, you have to wonder 635 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,799 Speaker 1: whether she received special treatment. We don't know one way 636 00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: or the other, but it is very interesting that her 637 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:39,520 Speaker 1: attitude apparently hasn't changed. I'm sure she got special treatment 638 00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: because she had managed to convince everyone that she was 639 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 1: a celebrity that deserves special treatment. You know, Rebecca Rosenburk, 640 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure I understand the not guilty on the 641 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 1: sixty grand she ripped off from Rachel Delisha Williams. What 642 00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,880 Speaker 1: was the jury's thinking. Well, I spoke to a couple 643 00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,360 Speaker 1: of jurors after the verdict, and they kind of felt 644 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:04,000 Speaker 1: that in the end, Rachel came out ahead, even though 645 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,920 Speaker 1: it was this like really stressful situation for her where 646 00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:11,320 Speaker 1: she had put the payment for this trip on her 647 00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:14,600 Speaker 1: work visa card and just you know, it was a 648 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: sum of money that was greater than what she earned 649 00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: as a salary. But eventually, you know, she did, she 650 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,440 Speaker 1: did end up with I think her book advanced was 651 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:29,640 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars. I don't know what she got 652 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: paid from HBO. So I think that they just didn't 653 00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: feel that bad for her. But why because why did 654 00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:38,680 Speaker 1: they not feel bad for Rachel Williams Because she was 655 00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:42,640 Speaker 1: also using Anna Sarroca. You could say, like she, you know, 656 00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: it's sort of weird, like she's going out with Anna 657 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:48,960 Speaker 1: all the time, and Anna it's always paying for absolutely everything. 658 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,600 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's I personally wouldn't feel that comfortable 659 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,359 Speaker 1: if I was going out with somebody, even if they 660 00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: were much wealthier than me, with them footing the bill 661 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,480 Speaker 1: every time. So I think that was kind of their reasoning. 662 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,800 Speaker 1: Take a listen to what happens immediately when she walks 663 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 1: out from behind bars our cut fourteen inside edition. You 664 00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,480 Speaker 1: walked out of prison a free woman, Hiana. What was 665 00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: the first thing you did that brought me my phones? 666 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,600 Speaker 1: I got on social media. She came out of prison 667 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: and immediately set down to do this interview with us, 668 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: and immediately went on social media and immediately started to 669 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,319 Speaker 1: resume kind of a glamorous life. Sorkin is now back 670 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: in custody awaiting a hearing to see if she will 671 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,319 Speaker 1: be deported to Germany. The big question is will she 672 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 1: be released, She could be in the next few weeks, 673 00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:42,759 Speaker 1: and will she be deported. But whatever happens, there is 674 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 1: no question in my mind that we have not heard 675 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:49,320 Speaker 1: the last from Annasaurikin. So the first thing she does 676 00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,600 Speaker 1: is hot on social media. What does that tell you, 677 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:56,960 Speaker 1: doctor Rockwell, the same thing it tells you, doctor Grace, 678 00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:00,719 Speaker 1: that she didn't feel bad about one thing through this 679 00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,799 Speaker 1: entire event, that there's a lack of conscience, and that 680 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: she was loving the spotlight and she couldn't wait to 681 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: get back into it. As I say, it's an addiction. 682 00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,680 Speaker 1: It makes the hormones flash in your mind, you have endorphins. 683 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:19,719 Speaker 1: Your brain comes alive with your own image and you 684 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,920 Speaker 1: love it, you salivate over it. And that's what happened 685 00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: to Anna Sorkin. Jim ellis certified Fraught Examiner or now 686 00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: with his own firm, JKE Texas dot Com, Jim shopaholics 687 00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,400 Speaker 1: or people that get a thrill out of buying things. 688 00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:42,400 Speaker 1: I think Anna Sirokan aka Anna Delvi got a thrill 689 00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: of some sort of this fake life she was leading. 690 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,560 Speaker 1: Do you think someone like her can turn over a 691 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,560 Speaker 1: new leaf or is this just who she is? Well, 692 00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,600 Speaker 1: that's a good question. I mean, I always hope I 693 00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 1: didn't say what you hope, Jim Ellis you investigated so 694 00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:06,480 Speaker 1: many con guys, what do you think they don't stop? 695 00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:10,279 Speaker 1: I mean, as you pointed out, she immediately got back 696 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,120 Speaker 1: on social media, And I agree with doctor Rockwell that 697 00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: it was for the endorphin rush of getting that hit, 698 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,279 Speaker 1: of getting that fame and putting out that projection. But 699 00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:26,440 Speaker 1: I think it's also a certain aspect that is rebuilding 700 00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:31,200 Speaker 1: her stature so that she can now see where she 701 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: can get her next meal ticket from. But who in 702 00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,359 Speaker 1: their right mind would want to work with somebody that 703 00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:44,160 Speaker 1: just got out of prison for defrauding hundreds of thousands 704 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: of dollars from the people she was closest to. Well, 705 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,759 Speaker 1: you know what, I may have an answer. Take a 706 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 1: listen to my long time friend and colleague at ABC, 707 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 1: Deborah Roberts our Cut twelve, now out on parole. Sorkin's 708 00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,680 Speaker 1: documenting her freedom on social media, moving into a new apartment, 709 00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:04,560 Speaker 1: shopping and dining out her new life, financed partly by 710 00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:08,600 Speaker 1: a Netflix deal she signed while behind bars. It's said 711 00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 1: to be worth just over three hundred thousand dollars. Many 712 00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,280 Speaker 1: people would find that very strange that you had gotten 713 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,520 Speaker 1: into trouble, you went to trial, you went to prison, 714 00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: and there's a Netflix deal around your story. I find 715 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,600 Speaker 1: it strange steal. So were you sort of milking your 716 00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:29,400 Speaker 1: crime for the fame? No, definitely not. Do you feel badly? 717 00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,520 Speaker 1: Do you have regrets? I feel like I'm just trying 718 00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:37,279 Speaker 1: to deal with the consequences of my actions. I was young. 719 00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,880 Speaker 1: I would not repeat my actions. I'm just trying to 720 00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: make the best out of my situation. I was yaying 721 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:44,839 Speaker 1: it was just a couple of years ago. I've got 722 00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 1: a funny feeling. We ain't seen the last of Anna Sarokan. 723 00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: Oh excuse me, Anna delve Nancy Gray Crumb Stories signing 724 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:55,560 Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend.