1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to you Stuff you Should Know from House Stuff 2 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,680 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: Josh Clark with me as always as Charles W. Chuck 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:21,480 Speaker 1: Bryant in fast motion. Yeah. Um, and that makes us 5 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 1: the super fast episode of Stuff you Should Know on 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: spots super fast. It's going to be, um, not short. 7 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: We're just gonna be talking really fast like this pretty 8 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:36,360 Speaker 1: much the whole time. I can pick up will you 9 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 1: all right? Uh? Yeah, spies like us? Yeah? Did you 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: like that movie? I did. I was raised too, just 11 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: like Chevy Chase really by whom my dad really yeah. Um, 12 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,879 Speaker 1: and I don't think my mom liked him either, but 13 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: my dad definitely thought he was a jerk. His word 14 00:00:54,920 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 1: was kind of a jerk and um yeah, apparently I 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: read um this Saturday Night Live biography about like the show. 16 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: It's pretty interesting. Um and they talked about how he 17 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: was the first one to um be able to develop 18 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: a cocaine habit because he was the first one to 19 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 1: start getting paid and apparently he didn't share really, so 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: that made him a jerk. I guess I don't think 21 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: that's one. My dad thought he was a jerk anyway. 22 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,959 Speaker 1: I all apologies to Mr Chase if you listen to this. 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 1: I was I have always been a big man, have you. Yeah, 24 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 1: and I was very saddened when he his career kind 25 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: of faltered and I missed Chevy Chase. Well, okay, he's 26 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: on TV now though he's he's on the TV the community, right, Yeah, 27 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 1: is that it? He was on it. I don't know 28 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:45,919 Speaker 1: if he still is, but he wants Yeah. I don't either. Um, 29 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: but no, I hated Fletch. I'm just gonna come out 30 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 1: and say, I hate that movie Fletch. I hate Fletch two, 31 00:01:51,920 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 1: I hate Fletch eight, I hate all the Fletches. I 32 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:58,600 Speaker 1: think it's a stupid movie. And I hate Fletch. But 33 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: I did like funny far a lot. That's weird that 34 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: you hated Fledg. I hated Fletch. I still hate Fletch. 35 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: You can show me Fletch right now. I'd be like, 36 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: this is stupid, turn it off, so funny, so chuck. Yes, Uh, 37 00:02:12,000 --> 00:02:13,960 Speaker 1: you know a little bit about spies. I believe you 38 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 1: had a bit of a story to share with everyone. 39 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,000 Speaker 1: A little bit. I mean, I was obviously spy. Stories 40 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: of real life spies are kind of fun and Um, 41 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: to me, the best all time story spy, real true 42 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: life spy story was the story of Christopher Boyce and 43 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:34,799 Speaker 1: Dalton Lee The Falcon and the Snowman. Oh yeah, I've 44 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 1: never seen that movie of you. Yeah, it's a good yeah, 45 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: really good Timothy Hutton and Sean Penn right, and um, 46 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: that is the story of these two guys who two 47 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: youngsters living in southern California, and Boyce was hired by 48 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: his father I think as a guard at an aerospace 49 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: firm called t RW Incorporated, and may um that gave 50 00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: him access to a lot of U c. I A. 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: Documents that that we're working with the aerospace firm, they 52 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: were drug dudes. So he was like, hey, we can 53 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: raise like make a lot of money selling these secrets 54 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:10,519 Speaker 1: to the Soviets down in Mexico City at their embassy, 55 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: make money for drugs to run a drug operation. And 56 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 1: they did so for like a year successfully a year 57 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: from seventy six to seventy seven. And we're caught, of course, 58 00:03:21,960 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: and jailed for espionage. And I had a little trouble 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:30,239 Speaker 1: for some reason finding out the current status of Lee. 60 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: I did find out that boys actually escaped from prison 61 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty from Lompoc was picked up again in 62 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: eight one, I think, and then was released in two 63 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 1: thousand three and lives I think in the San Francisco area. 64 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: I've got this awesome l A Times article that I'm 65 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: going to read tonight for fun because it didn't have 66 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: a chance to read it read. Yeah, it's one of 67 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: those like fifteen page articles. His big interview he did 68 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: after he got released. But I can't find out what 69 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: happened to Lee aside from a room that he was 70 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: eventually released and Sean Penn hired him as his personal assistant, 71 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: and I don't know if that's true. Weird, I can't 72 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: verify that. I understand Sean Penn's like the real deal 73 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: when it comes to like um combating poverty in Haiti. 74 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: He's like in there in the trenches every day. He 75 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: is crazy. Some people think he's a jerk. I happen 76 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: to like the guy. I like the guy a lot. 77 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: Um So, Chuck, how did the Falcon and the Snowman 78 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: become spies? They were working or or Voice was working 79 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: at a at an aerospace firm as a night guard 80 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: and had access to sensitive documents. So why did he 81 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: start to make money. Okay, so that's actually one of 82 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 1: the main ways that a spy is recruited. Yeah, there's, um, 83 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: there's several nice intro by the way, dude, thank you. 84 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:54,479 Speaker 1: That makes two times they are changing. Give me you're 85 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,480 Speaker 1: a punch card. Okay, Um, the the There are a 86 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: few ways for a person become a spy. Probably the 87 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: most um straightforward way is to maybe join the army, 88 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: Army intelligence, joined the CIA right out of college, and 89 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: basically just join your country's intelligence agency, be trained and 90 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: then sent into the field, maybe posing as a diplomat 91 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: or being a diplomat. Yeah, apparently the line is very 92 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: um fuzzy between a person who's actually a diplomat and 93 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,040 Speaker 1: a diplomat who's a spy. Really yeah, it's like one 94 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: and the same. I mean, they're still performing the same functions. 95 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: They have a job as a diplomat, but they're also 96 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:38,040 Speaker 1: just spying too. Um and what are they I guess 97 00:05:38,200 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: what's the basis of spying? Well, they're what they're after obviously, 98 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 1: and this is the no brainer stuff, But we always 99 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: have to point it out there after any valuable information 100 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: to give to the country that they're working for, any 101 00:05:50,880 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: kind of it's it's obviously usually military secrets, although we 102 00:05:54,800 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: will talk a little bit later about corporate spine, which 103 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,480 Speaker 1: is huge yeah these days. Oh um, but you know, 104 00:06:01,640 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: typically people with access to these uh, either offices or 105 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: high ranking officials. Um, they do have recruiters that go out, 106 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 1: like you said, they'll then go a little money in 107 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 1: front of your face if they think that a person 108 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: is someone they can turn right, like, hey, you're not 109 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: happy with your own country. We know this, you want 110 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: to sell him out? Or we know you really like 111 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 1: money and you're kind of unscrupulous. Do you want to 112 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: sell him out? Right? Or we know your mother needs 113 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: surgery and your government insurance although the gold standard of 114 00:06:36,520 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: healthcare is American healthcare. It's part of the American system. 115 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 1: Therefore it's not going to really cover the surgery. So 116 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: here's some money, or hey, mom, the surgery. You want 117 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 1: a movie made after you about you, after you're executed. 118 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 1: You want to be famous, You want to feel important 119 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: because you're nobody. You want to be somebody once you 120 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: dig up some secrets for us, right, And that's actually 121 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: like a really good um recruiting tool or recruiting method 122 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: is to identify somebody who has a menial job, some 123 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: sort of file clerk, but has access to really sensitive information. Exactly, 124 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: go in and, like you said, pump them up. I mean, 125 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 1: I don't think you would actually say you're a nobody. 126 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: You would maybe promise the um making them a somebody. 127 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: You have to break him down before you build them 128 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: back up, you know, it depends, It depends on what 129 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: you're trying to do. UM. So those are the Oh 130 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 1: did you touch on ideological um disillusionment with your home country? Yeah, 131 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: a little bit, just you know, like communism obviously was 132 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: a big thing. Uh, yeah, we covered in McCarthyism. Yeah, 133 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: like the Rosenberg's they were at the very least communist 134 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: sympathizers who supposedly allegedly spied for the for the Communists. 135 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: By the way, did you see that email we got 136 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,120 Speaker 1: about that. No, we got an email from a guy 137 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: in the Air Force that said there was a great 138 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: interview with I can't remember who it was that basically 139 00:07:57,560 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: said the Rosenberg's did have a lot more to do 140 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: with it than like at first it was like, oh, 141 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: they're guilty, guilty. Then later on, as we pointed out, 142 00:08:06,280 --> 00:08:08,680 Speaker 1: they're like, you know, they didn't exactly sell the deepest 143 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 1: dark kits of secrets and maybe they were made an 144 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 1: example of but then apparently more recent enew does implicate 145 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: them a little bit more to the extent that their 146 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: family even was like, oh, it's so weird for McCarthy 147 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:24,679 Speaker 1: to be vindicated. Yeah, um, so you've got blackmail too. 148 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: Is a way of getting people to do what you want, Like, 149 00:08:27,360 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: we have these photos of you that you don't want published, 150 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:33,719 Speaker 1: Like you clearly have a lampshade on your head, right, 151 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 1: and now you have to be a spy for US. Um. 152 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 1: And then once you once you have the person agreeing 153 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: to spy. Oh there's also walk ins too, and I 154 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: think that might have been voices. Deal was an opportunist 155 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,760 Speaker 1: who was like, Hey, I want to be a spy. 156 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: Who do I call about that? Exactly? And usually if 157 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: you're going to be a spy, um, you identify a 158 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: country who's probably got the most money or the most 159 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 1: desire for the information you have, and then you go 160 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: to their local embassy. I guess i'd be a good 161 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 1: way to do it. Yeah, you just walk right in. 162 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 1: But if you are that country's diplomat slash spies working 163 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,040 Speaker 1: at the embassy, you're going to be immediately suspicious of 164 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:15,800 Speaker 1: someone like that. Apparently the US had a Russian defector. 165 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: I can't remember. It may have been yeah, it may 166 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:29,440 Speaker 1: have been the guy who's mentioned um no, oh like Penkovsky. Penkovsky. Um, 167 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: he was a Russian general. I believe Soviet general was 168 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: with the KGB, and I think he he was a 169 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,840 Speaker 1: walk in. Wow, he made a secret trip to the 170 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: US and over years and years and years, like he 171 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 1: finally gained the trust of the Americans. He's like, look, 172 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: this is legitimate information stuff. Yeah. Ok yeah, well that 173 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: was like the height of spied them not quite so okay, yeah, 174 00:09:55,040 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: we'll get to that later. I read a recent article 175 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: that I can't wait. Yeah, there's like a lot more 176 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: going on now then you might believe. All right, so 177 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: you have a paid, blackmailed um or ideologically disenchanted spy. 178 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: Sure who you trust and you assign them a person 179 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: name a Controller Harvey Kitel probably yeah, yeah, yeah, Controller 180 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: is the person who I think they're They're just like 181 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: your only contact basically, right, who you're going to be 182 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: given the information to, yeah, or getting information or instructions from. 183 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: There's going to be one person you meet. Yeah, you 184 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 1: don't want a large You don't want your spy to 185 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: know a lot of people because they'll be compromised. There's 186 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: not a Christmas party, you know they should though, no 187 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: they shouldn't. They'd all to sit around and like look 188 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,839 Speaker 1: at each other very wearily. There they don't make eye contact. Um. 189 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:52,320 Speaker 1: The the the reason why they do this is called compartmentalization. Um, 190 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 1: because if the spy is caught, there's only so much 191 00:10:54,840 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: information they can give. Like, well, I was meeting a 192 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,920 Speaker 1: Mr Orange that may or may not be his real name. 193 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,480 Speaker 1: I never really saw his face and actually I never 194 00:11:04,520 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: met him. It was all handoff stuff park bench. Well 195 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: you're talking about, we might as well go ahead and 196 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: cover that. The drop, the dead drop, the dead drop 197 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,079 Speaker 1: you see it in movies. Apparently it's real. You'll you'll 198 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: drop something in a public place very uh, nonchalantly, and 199 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: then send the signal that it's you know, been dropped 200 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: to your controller. Then they will go to the little 201 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:31,439 Speaker 1: hidden loose brick in the public park wall and fish 202 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: out the micro film. Yeah, the micro film, the micro 203 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: dot maybe. Uh? What what has always struck me about 204 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: spy work or articles on spies and especially the gadgets 205 00:11:46,240 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: and technology they use. I always just assumed it's like 206 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: twenty years out of date. Yeah, me too. I was 207 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: reading this book called Veil by Robert Woodward, an excellent 208 00:11:55,840 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: book about like Reagan's Secret Wars, really good book. And 209 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:04,199 Speaker 1: they're talking about this this light beam, I guess, a 210 00:12:04,320 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: laser that you can point at a window and it 211 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: measures the vibrations from a conversation um and translates them 212 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: into audio. So it's an eavesdropping device that they were 213 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: using in the early sixties. You're talking about the laser emacs. 214 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,719 Speaker 1: I am, well, they have these now. I'm sure when 215 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,199 Speaker 1: that there are different ones. But yeah, it's an invisible 216 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: infrared beam hits the window that and records the vibrations, 217 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 1: filters out all the gobbledygook, and then amplifies it and 218 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: records it. It's amazing and it's been around since the sixties. 219 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,679 Speaker 1: What do you think they're doing now, Well, this is 220 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 1: the one that's available now, so it's probably just this slicker, 221 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 1: better version. Well, in the article I read too on 222 00:12:47,440 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: modern spy equipment, basically said just that is it's a 223 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 1: lot of the same stuff. It's just faster and smaller, 224 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 1: and uh, you know, digital, what's that one called this 225 00:12:59,160 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 1: is called the laser or EMACS. And the cool thing 226 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: is when you go to their website it said as 227 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: used by David Letterman and Jay Leno and Fox five Undercover. Weird. Yeah, 228 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: I guess they I don't know. I guess they've done 229 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 1: little bits where they spy on people. Well, I don't know. 230 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: Jay Leno spied on an NBC board meeting when they 231 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:22,360 Speaker 1: were trying to figure out whether they we go with 232 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: Letterman or him to release Carson. Yeah, you got to 233 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 1: see that movie. I've seen it. I don't remember that though. Yeah. 234 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: Well he was just sitting in another room, like taking notes, 235 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: like in a closet right now, exactly. Okay, let's get 236 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 1: back to it. Man. You you have a controller, Your 237 00:13:36,920 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: spy is compartmentalized very much. Before you start doing dead 238 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,319 Speaker 1: drops and everything, you don't want to get ahead of 239 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: yourself because your spy is gonna get greased. You have 240 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 1: to first create a cover and support it with the legend, right, 241 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: so it covers just like your secret identity or your 242 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: false identity, and then the legend is the backstory around it. Yeah, 243 00:13:56,520 --> 00:14:00,320 Speaker 1: and he's to be detailed and thorough right. So for example, um, 244 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: you are a UH. If you're into fishing, I think 245 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:07,920 Speaker 1: the article uses it's a good good example. Um, or 246 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:10,680 Speaker 1: you let your character is your cover is right, Um, 247 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,679 Speaker 1: you're going to have fishing gear. And if you have 248 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: a that's part of the legend. You're gonna have fishing. 249 00:14:16,360 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 1: The part the legend is that you are into fishing, 250 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,360 Speaker 1: your fly fisherman big time. So then at your house, 251 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 1: your apartment, whatever that's set up for you, you're gonna 252 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: have fishing equipment. And if you're good, it's going to 253 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 1: be used fishing equipment and it's going to be of 254 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: a certain um quality depending on whether your cover is 255 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: frugal or you know, kind of spendy or likes you know, 256 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: the best of the best. That's a good point about us. 257 00:14:40,640 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 1: Didn't even think about that. Oh yeah, that'd be like 258 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:44,880 Speaker 1: a movie thing is the guy sees the apply fishing 259 00:14:44,880 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: gear and it's got a tag on it or something 260 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: or boom or both. Yeah. Yeah. Um. The if you are, 261 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: say a Russian accountant posing as a Russian accountant, you 262 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 1: probably should know the ins and outs of Russian tax law. Sure. Um. 263 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,240 Speaker 1: You should also probably speak Russian with a Russian accent. 264 00:15:07,320 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: From the UH from the region that you're supposedly from 265 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: that your covers from. Yeah, you saw No Way Out? Right? 266 00:15:15,360 --> 00:15:19,320 Speaker 1: Is that the one with Kevin? Uh? What's his face? Yeah? No, 267 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: I didn't. Oh that's a good one. I've heard that 268 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: was like a couple of years ahead of my I 269 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 1: think I was watching Disorderlies while my family went and 270 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: saw No Way Out. Uh, I'm not gonna ruin that one. Actually, 271 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: I'm a spoiler guy, usually for movies that are like 272 00:15:34,240 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 1: fifteen years old. But um, I'm gonna leave that one 273 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: to the to the people to go see it, to 274 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: rent it or whatever, because it's got a nice little twist. 275 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 1: Um what else, chuck um. Oh, this is not a 276 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: quick thing. No, no, no. If you establish a cover, 277 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 1: it takes years to establish a cover. You're not gonna 278 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 1: waltz into the Russian uh, the Russian embassy and say hey, 279 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: I'm just a Russian accountant and where are your documents? 280 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: This is not a small camera in my tie. It 281 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 1: takes a long time, and people go it's like being 282 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: an undercover cop. You have to establish his trust over 283 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: a period of months and years. Even yeah, um, and 284 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: you're going to in the meantime be performing accounting. Yeah, 285 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,600 Speaker 1: for as part of your business an you better be 286 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: good ahead, yeah, or the toast yeah. Or you could 287 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: go to jail for tax fraud. Wouldn't that be surprising? 288 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 1: That would definitely help your cover though, wouldn't you to 289 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: go to prison for the for the state? Yeah? Sure. Uh. 290 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: You are not going to be memorizing things, although in 291 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: a pinch, I'm sure they're probably trained to memorize a 292 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 1: certain amount of information. But what you really want to do, 293 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: and it is like in the movies, is to make 294 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 1: tiny little copies photo copies or photographs of sensitive documents 295 00:16:53,600 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: and relay those to your controller and then that ends 296 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,720 Speaker 1: up on the micro film, the micro dot um or 297 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 1: it could even just you could make copies if you 298 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: are like that file clerk who has regular routine access 299 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,400 Speaker 1: to that information, just make copies of it and take 300 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: it out of there. Yeah. And they had the little 301 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,520 Speaker 1: handheld copiers. I've seeing those. Those are cool. Yeah, those 302 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 1: are pretty cool. What you don't want to do is 303 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 1: take anything, no, because then somebody might notice that exactly 304 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:23,679 Speaker 1: the documents are missing, right, But you don't have to 305 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:25,840 Speaker 1: listen to us. Your controller is going to tell you 306 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: how he or she wants that the information. Sure, and 307 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 1: there are plenty of female spies, so we definitely. UM 308 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: don't mean to say he a lot, but we're dudes. 309 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: I said here she yeah, yeah, that's what I'm saying. Um, 310 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,920 Speaker 1: I mean Valerie Plain she was a spy. Yeah, yeah, 311 00:17:42,119 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: very true. Um, it's not just on the ground either, 312 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 1: It's not just human spies. We've been using satellites for years, 313 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:53,000 Speaker 1: since the nineteen sixty I believe. And the fact of 314 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 1: the show for me is that before the digital age, 315 00:17:56,760 --> 00:18:00,200 Speaker 1: the satellite would take photographs and I guess dropped them, 316 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: have developed them and drop them in a bucket in 317 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,639 Speaker 1: the ocean. I think it was. It was undeveloped, the 318 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: film develop it. Yeah, it's like a photo mat up there. Yeah, 319 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:15,119 Speaker 1: there's like some stoner up there inside developing pictures. Remember 320 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:19,320 Speaker 1: the photo mat. What a bygone era that is. And 321 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,440 Speaker 1: those stoners where are they working now? Not a video stores, 322 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 1: I think, so that's where I always see them they are. Um, 323 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: so they don't obviously have to drop them in the 324 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 1: ocean any longer. They can just relay them digitally and 325 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: they've actually been doing that since nine Yeah that's pretty cool. 326 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: So long before we were taking digital photos the government 327 00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: and sending them wirelessly. Yeah, over radio. I think they 328 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: did it. Well, that's what wireless is. Radio. It's pretty 329 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: amazing it is. Um. So again that kind of proves 330 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 1: my point though, Chuck, I mean, like, what are we 331 00:18:57,560 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: on too? Now? I know it's faster, smaller, better, there's 332 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,840 Speaker 1: got to be some cool stuff that like wasn't around 333 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 1: before though. Well, spy planes back in the day, um 334 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: were large, like the U two spy plane and it 335 00:19:09,080 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 1: would have to fly right over the enemy. These days, 336 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: of course, we have drones flying them while I'm not 337 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: flying themselves, but unmanned drones doing the dirty work, all 338 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: sorts of very dirty dirty work. That's right. Um. All 339 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: of this, Chuck is called technological intelligence or tech int. 340 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:32,119 Speaker 1: I'll bet everybody at your work thinks you're a jackass 341 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:35,359 Speaker 1: if you call it tech int. The CIA, they're like, 342 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: it's t I dude, right exactly, um, Or if you 343 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 1: want to just really be in on this link, just 344 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 1: t just t um. So you've got spy planes technically 345 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: at one point where t um satellites which now apparently 346 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: can read a headline on a newspaper. That's yeah, Well 347 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: you see Google earth. Yeah, I mean my car and 348 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:01,959 Speaker 1: my driveway was on it, and that was a little creepy. 349 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:05,440 Speaker 1: I know, I had bird poop on the roof. Um, 350 00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 1: there's like wire taps that whole laser listening listening device. 351 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 1: Do you do you want to talk about some more. Uh. 352 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,080 Speaker 1: They have seismic equipment to detect nuclear testing. They have 353 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: underwater sensors to find things like submarines. Yeah, which is 354 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: a big deal. Again in Veil, which by the way, 355 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: I recommend um, they were talking about how back in 356 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: the day to eavesdrop on Russian cables, like the Soviets 357 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: didn't encrypt all of their stuff on certain cables that 358 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 1: were transmitted underwater, especially once that were close to the motherland, right, 359 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,920 Speaker 1: So the US would send subs um to go and 360 00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: clamp onto these um cables and listen for a few days, 361 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: and they were like right off the coast of the 362 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 1: USS are really dangerous work. And then they finally made 363 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: a recorder that they could go clamp on, drop off 364 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: and then leave for like a month or six months 365 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 1: or whatever, and then come back and get it. So 366 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,119 Speaker 1: there's only like two windows where it was really scary, 367 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: rather than several days just having to sit there quietly 368 00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: on the bottom of the ocean. Yeah. Uh, this isn't 369 00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:20,119 Speaker 1: new stuff. Um, that evolution of spy tools article I 370 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: read was like, have you ever read the Art of War? 371 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: What was it? Sun sues? So, Sun sue and uh 372 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:34,000 Speaker 1: there are more than a hundred references to spies an 373 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,919 Speaker 1: espionage intelligence gathering in the Art of War. I didn't know. 374 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: That is very old. And Uh. In the Revolutionary War 375 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: they would use invisible inc called Jay's Sympathetic stain was 376 00:21:46,800 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 1: apparently the best one to use, and they still uh 377 00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 1: use or until recently, they still used invisible ink to 378 00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 1: transmit messages. It's crazy. You heat up certain things and 379 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,879 Speaker 1: it will appear, or hold it under certain light. Lemon juice. 380 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: That's the old little crafty trick. How kind of this 381 00:22:08,520 --> 00:22:12,160 Speaker 1: ugly burnt sienna color doesn't But also if you look 382 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: at it, you can be like, oh, it's written in 383 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 1: lemon juice. I can see without even just by moving 384 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: the paper a little bit. I don't think it's real 385 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: bona fide spy stuff. Apparently the Spartans would spy and 386 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: they had a device called the skytail, and uh it 387 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: was a long slender rod which was wrapped with a 388 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:36,119 Speaker 1: thin strip of papyrus, and the message was written on 389 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,879 Speaker 1: the wrapping uh, and it was passed on to a 390 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: messenger and apparently it would could only be read if 391 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: it was rewound around a rod of the same diameter, 392 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 1: So it was sort of like an Enigma machine. Yeah, 393 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: there you go. Let's talk about that. Okay, have you 394 00:22:54,720 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: have you read Enigma? There's a book about this whole thing, 395 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: about the people who are cracking the code. But the 396 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: Nazis had this very very clever system of coding, encoding 397 00:23:05,800 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: UM or encrypting messages UM, where they would have what's 398 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 1: called an Enigma machine, which is kind of like a 399 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: random typewriter, that would assign him a code to a 400 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:19,960 Speaker 1: message and it could only be decoded by a the 401 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: same machine, like a twin machine UM, that would get 402 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: this message and then turn it back into UM uh 403 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: whatever it was originally supposed to say and UM. The 404 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: British apparently got in on breaking this a place called 405 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: Benchley or Blenchley I think park where um they had 406 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: a few of these captured Enigma machines and where secretly 407 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 1: had secretly cracked the code. I think the Polish even 408 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,680 Speaker 1: before that discovered it and then you and then shared 409 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:52,959 Speaker 1: it with the Brits who was you know, probably a 410 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:55,919 Speaker 1: little further along. Well maybe not. Well. I think Alan 411 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,480 Speaker 1: turing Um, who invented the computer essentially was one of 412 00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: these Enigma codebreakers. Yeah, oh interesting. Yeah. Uh the information 413 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,879 Speaker 1: it was codenamed Ultra and it was obviously, uh, you know, 414 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:11,920 Speaker 1: something they kept on the very down low because you 415 00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,840 Speaker 1: don't want Hitler to know you've got an Enigma machine 416 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: because Senn Hitler kills the guy who invented the Enigma machine. 417 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: And I think they got one from a sunken sub 418 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,399 Speaker 1: that the Germans were like, well, it's on the bottom 419 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,800 Speaker 1: of the ocean, we'll just leave it there, it'll be okay, 420 00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:32,440 Speaker 1: and um somebody somebody in the Allies went and got it. Yeah, 421 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: it's a pretty cool book Enigma not to check that out. 422 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 1: Um what about the number stations? Did you see that? Yeah, 423 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,159 Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. So we remember we talked about the 424 00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: Yosemite SAM transmission, a data burst and then you know 425 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 1: the whole I'm gonna blow you to smith En environment. 426 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,639 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, um, I I imagine that that has to 427 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: be from some sort of numbers station. But what is 428 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: it well, it's a it's a radio station that the 429 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,959 Speaker 1: government operates, and it broadcasts UM on short band frequencies 430 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,680 Speaker 1: just intermittently, so they'll have a clue, like a song 431 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: or an announcement that will mark the beginning or the 432 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: end of the secret broadcast. And obviously they won't say, like, 433 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,879 Speaker 1: you know, and now we will play the secret broadcast 434 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: some sort of hidden message, and then it'll be UM, 435 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,119 Speaker 1: just a bunch of a series of numbers that is 436 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: obviously a coded message. Right. What's awesome is it's not secret. 437 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: Like any schmo with who's tuned into the right frequency 438 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: you can hear this broadcast, but he won't be able 439 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:33,840 Speaker 1: to make heads or tails of it. And apparently like 440 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 1: this stuff happens all over the world. Yeah, so codes 441 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 1: are huge. Though, secret code the US isn't like, well, yeah, 442 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: we're doing this, but it's I mean, it's kind of 443 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 1: like here's your brain. Yes, that's exactly what. Well, the 444 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,640 Speaker 1: the article I read on the Modern Spy says basically, 445 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: the Americans and the Russians, while getting along, just have 446 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 1: this sort of implied understanding that we're both still spine 447 00:25:57,520 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: like let's not get each other. Oh yeah, everybody's spine 448 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: on everybody is those Wiki leaks cables revealed. I mean, 449 00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: it's just you just want to gather intelligence or information 450 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:12,120 Speaker 1: on whatever is the case, you know, from trade policy 451 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: to you know, defense, any any information that you can 452 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: get gives you an upper hand, and I think everybody 453 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 1: does it. Well, since we're there, UM these days, you're 454 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: gonna find um a lot of spine going on. I 455 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 1: think that it was. The Washington Post said last year 456 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: that there are more than twelve hundred government organizations and 457 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: close to two thousand private companies that work on programs 458 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,920 Speaker 1: related to counter terrorism. That's a huge way that they're 459 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:43,679 Speaker 1: spying these days, obviously is terrorist cells, homeland security and 460 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:47,480 Speaker 1: intelligence UH in about ten thousand locations all across the US. 461 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: So these days we're spying mainly on terror cells Iran, 462 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: North Korea, and China obviously, and UM it says that 463 00:26:57,560 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 1: the US is the recipient of US of thousands of 464 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: cyber attacks every day from Beijing. Basically they're trying to 465 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: penetrate our firewalls and seeing what they can get and well, 466 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: I hope not. Uh. We are also UM spying on Israel. 467 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,359 Speaker 1: Sometimes you spy on your buddies because in two thousand 468 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,199 Speaker 1: eight those in Israeli report that said that we have 469 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:25,720 Speaker 1: a long history of spying on Israel in regards to 470 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 1: their uh secret nuclear program. So even if you're friends 471 00:27:30,080 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 1: with the country, doesn't mean you're not keeping tabs. Yeah. 472 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:33,720 Speaker 1: Well that was one of the things about the Wiki 473 00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: leaks cables is they were a lot of them were 474 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: about are very close allies and friends, and um, that 475 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: was just very embarrassing. And now Bradley Man he's going 476 00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,000 Speaker 1: to spend the rest of his life in prison because 477 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: the State Department was embarrassed. And then corporate spying is 478 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 1: huge these days, um, private sector spy firms. Basically, they 479 00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:00,080 Speaker 1: said that there is nary a large merger, acquisition and 480 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: deal that goes down these days without a lot of 481 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:06,240 Speaker 1: spying going on, a lot of corporate spying. And the 482 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,359 Speaker 1: CIA even lets people uh spies moonlight for corporations to 483 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: make a little extra scratch. Is that right? That's what 484 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: they said. And they said there's even entire network of 485 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,439 Speaker 1: people who do nothing but track corporate jets and their 486 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: flight patterns. Wow. That crazy, but makes sense. It does 487 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: make sense because you know, you go to where the 488 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: money is right, yeah, or you know, I think was 489 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: it Coke that had the girl that worked there? The 490 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: lady sell out yeah, or almost sell out to Pepsi 491 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: there the secret formula. Um, you approached she was a 492 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,800 Speaker 1: walk in right here, approached Pepsi with the secret formula 493 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,360 Speaker 1: for Coke and PEPSI told Coke about it. That lady 494 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: gotten big trouble. Oh, PEPSI came out. Yeah, they said, 495 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,360 Speaker 1: we got her own formula. We don't mind being second tier. 496 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: They like it. There's less pressure. So what are you 497 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:02,719 Speaker 1: gonna do with all this stuff? When you got all 498 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: this information, who's gonna be looking at it? It's obviously 499 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: not the spy. Well that's the thing like if you 500 00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 1: you know, you're not just you don't have one controller 501 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: with one spy. And that's what all of your information is. 502 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: You have all of this information coming and from all 503 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,240 Speaker 1: these different sources, whether it's you know, satellite photos or um, 504 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: you know, human intel, and you have people called data 505 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,560 Speaker 1: analysts who are putting it all together, and they write 506 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: daily briefs or papers or profiles on say like um, 507 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: the newest leader of North Korea Kim Jong un? Yeah, um, 508 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 1: And they it's basically just like, here's this threat. Here's 509 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 1: what you want to know about this person. Uh, there 510 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:48,400 Speaker 1: may be an attack from this group, and it's it's 511 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: basically this picture that's cobbled together like a mosaic of 512 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: creative of data and information. Yeah. Stalin apparently received information 513 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: that the Germans were gonna turn on so be it's 514 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 1: in World War two and he said, yet I don't believe. 515 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: So he ignored the data and look at what happened, 516 00:30:08,200 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: like a million people died in St. Petersburg or Stalin grod. 517 00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: So he did not analyze the data to his advantage. 518 00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: Uh no, Um, apparently also we you you can use 519 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 1: this these data analysts to say, we've got a gap 520 00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 1: here that we need to fill in, so go do this. 521 00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: So it's kind of like a um, it's a two 522 00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: way street as far as data collection and data analysis goes. Right. 523 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 1: A pretty good example was the Purple Code of Japan 524 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 1: in World War Two, where wait, well, we we had 525 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: a pretty good idea that um, Midway Island was going 526 00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 1: to be attacked, but we didn't know if we were 527 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,760 Speaker 1: reading the code for Midway Island correctly, which is a 528 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: f we thought it was, but we weren't sure, so, um, 529 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,480 Speaker 1: the UH I guess army intelligence or somebody said, hey, 530 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: get Midway to to issue a plea for fresh water 531 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,800 Speaker 1: saying that they're low on fresh water, and they did, 532 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,760 Speaker 1: and then we intercepted a Japanese transmission saying that a 533 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: F was low on fresh water. So we knew that 534 00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: a F was Midway, and we knew then that Midway 535 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 1: was definitely going to be attacked and we won the 536 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 1: Battle of Midway as a result. USA. Right. Let's say, 537 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,160 Speaker 1: misinformation is is just as important as the real information. 538 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: Spies spend you know, from the sounds of this article, 539 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: just as much time uh doling out misinformation as they 540 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 1: do collecting the real stuff. The very important part of it, um. 541 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: And one good way to do that is to get 542 00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: caught spying. Double agent. Yeah, what's a double agent? Well, 543 00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: a double agent is somebody who say, is spying an 544 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,080 Speaker 1: American who's spying for the Russians, And then the Americans say, 545 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,160 Speaker 1: wait a minute, this guy is spying for the Russians. 546 00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: Let's make sure that all of this information that is 547 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 1: access to is altered and wrong and flawed, and then 548 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,120 Speaker 1: he'll pass it along to the Russians and he'll be 549 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 1: what's called an unwaiting double agent, right, or we can 550 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 1: go to him directly and be like, we're gonna fry 551 00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 1: you pal unless you start giving fake information to the Russians, 552 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: and then that person is a wedding double agent in 553 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: that case and he'll say, you're no pal of mine. 554 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: Or Josh, you can be a triple agent or even 555 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: I guess the quadruple or quintuple agent. It happens to 556 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: where the Russians, uh, the Americans nebu and then they 557 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: turn you into a double agents, but the Russians know 558 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: about that, and you're still secretly working for the Russians 559 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: and uh it was this the grabster that wrote this. 560 00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 1: He points out that it's gotten so convoluted with the 561 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: quadruple and up that sometimes in the end his history 562 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 1: can't even tell what they were. Yeah, like who who 563 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: the person was? Actually whose side they were on? Yeah, 564 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: I would imagine that person is probably on their own 565 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,440 Speaker 1: side after a while. Yeah. Just look, just trying to 566 00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: not get thrown in the gun. Yeah. I guess we 567 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: can talk about Operation Fortitude because that's kinda cool. Yeah. Um, 568 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: this was a really big misinformation campaign about the invasion 569 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: of Normandy. On D Day, a very like elaborate one. 570 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:22,920 Speaker 1: Well yeah, it included, um, creating fake troops, fake um 571 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: tanks and troop transports, fake fuel depots built out of wood, 572 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 1: yeah um, and amassing them on the southern coast of 573 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: England to make the Nazis think that the invasion of 574 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 1: France was going to come from no, I'm sorry, the 575 00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 1: northern coast of England, to make them think it was 576 00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: going to come from the north exactly, um and instead 577 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,800 Speaker 1: of the south where Normandy was. And part of this was, um, 578 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: a big part of it was feeding double agents false information. 579 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,719 Speaker 1: And there was one guy named Garbo who was a 580 00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 1: big player in this whole thing, code named Garbo. Like that, 581 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 1: this is like blazing saddles. How so, well, they built 582 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: a fake rock ridge at the end with fake townspeople 583 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,799 Speaker 1: in a fake uh. And when they came a riding 584 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: into town and whopping in a womping that was, they 585 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: found out it was not real. And then uh, Cleveland 586 00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: Little was able to prevail. Nice. Well in this case, 587 00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: the Allies prevailed. Yeah, I'm sort of like Cleveland Little. Yeah. 588 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: They even went further than you know, painting a bunch 589 00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,840 Speaker 1: of fuel depots to to look like the real thing. Um, 590 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: they created a completely fake battalion, the first U. S. 591 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: Army Group. It was led by General Patton. Even though 592 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:42,919 Speaker 1: it's totally fake, they had fake radio chatter about this 593 00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: group and the invasion, and on the day of the invasion, 594 00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: they dropped UM all sorts of aluminum from planes to 595 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,320 Speaker 1: reflect radar to make it look like there's a big 596 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:58,400 Speaker 1: movement of an air force across the English Channel. Uh. 597 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: They did the same thing with submarine means UM and 598 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 1: it looked like there was an invasion coming from the 599 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: north while there was really one coming from the south. 600 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: And it worked right well. Yeah, I mean we took Normandy. 601 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,000 Speaker 1: That was the first like fifteen minutes of UM saving 602 00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 1: Private Ryan. Yeah, so I don't know worked. I mean, 603 00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,719 Speaker 1: I guess it worked well, not the first fifteen minutes. 604 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:22,680 Speaker 1: I think you're forgetting about the the book ends of 605 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: that movie, what with the old Matt Damon in the 606 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:30,160 Speaker 1: cemetery and then they went to the awesome part. Yeah, 607 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,280 Speaker 1: oh yeah, you're right. It's like the first five minutes 608 00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,680 Speaker 1: kind of sucked. And then that was that Matt Damon. Yeah, 609 00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: it was him grown up. I just thought it was. 610 00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: It was uncanny he hit the Uncanny Valley. Yeah, if 611 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: it was an actor playing him, or was it Matt 612 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:47,919 Speaker 1: Damon and makeup? No, no no, no, it was an actor 613 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,359 Speaker 1: who looked a lot like an old Matamon. Well he 614 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: was in the young Canny Valley. I'm not sure he exists. Yeah, 615 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: you know, here's my advice to filmmakers, to people like 616 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: the Steven Spielberg's of the world. Don't don't book into 617 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: your movie like that. That's always a bad idea, do 618 00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: you think so? Yeah, man, that movie would have kicked 619 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: so much more. But if it was just started with 620 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: the D Day invasion and ended how it ended, like 621 00:36:10,640 --> 00:36:14,520 Speaker 1: everything from that too. Uh? What was the Clint Swould 622 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:18,399 Speaker 1: Uh Bridges of Madison County? Terrible book ends on that one. 623 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:22,160 Speaker 1: Whenever you show like the modern day book ends, just 624 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:25,560 Speaker 1: don't do it. Just stick to the story. We're clever, 625 00:36:25,719 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: we we don't need Matt Damon, old Matt Damon in 626 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:33,080 Speaker 1: a cemetery breaking down. No, that was a little, uh, little, 627 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,600 Speaker 1: that was a little off putting, a little heavy handed. Yeah, 628 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: it was kind of like, suck it up, pal, But 629 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: who am I? I'm just a podcaster, Steven Spielder, You're 630 00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,840 Speaker 1: definitely not part of the Greatest Generation. I'll tell you 631 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,240 Speaker 1: that not. UM. Do you want to hear a pretty 632 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: cool story about the D D invasion? UM? The day 633 00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 1: before No, I'm sorry, the month before the invasion of Normandy, 634 00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: the D Day invasion, the turning point of the war. 635 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 1: One of the UH M I five guys was doing 636 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 1: the daily telegraph puzzle UH and he started noticing that 637 00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: a lot of the answers were kind of curious, like, 638 00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: for example, UM, one of the answers was Utah, another 639 00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 1: was Omaha. These were code names for the beaches at 640 00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: Normandy where landing points were going to be for the invasion. UM. 641 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 1: Another answer was Mulberry, which was the name of a 642 00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 1: floating harbor that was going to be towed across the 643 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:35,479 Speaker 1: channel to accommodate the supply ships. Another was Neptune, which 644 00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,880 Speaker 1: was the code name for the naval support for the operation. 645 00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,479 Speaker 1: And then the They also had the answer Overlord, which 646 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:45,279 Speaker 1: was the name for the whole operation for the D 647 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: Day invasion. So M I five's like, what's going on, Like, 648 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: clearly somebody's feeding information one of the one of the 649 00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: ways of disseminating, like you were saying, getting in trust 650 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: with your controller or letting him know that you've done 651 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 1: a dead drop is through the newspaper, like a classified 652 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 1: ad or something, right, And um, so they went m 653 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: I five sent some some guys to go rough off 654 00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:08,719 Speaker 1: the person who wrote this cross rod and find out 655 00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 1: what the deal was a fifty four year old school teacher. 656 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 1: And uh, he had no idea. The whole thing was 657 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,680 Speaker 1: total coincidence. The m I five finally they were convinced, like, 658 00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: this guy has no clue what's going on. He is 659 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,480 Speaker 1: not an agent. They looked into his background and it 660 00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: was total coincidence. How many words total? It was like six? 661 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,959 Speaker 1: I think interesting. Isn't that weird? That is really weird? 662 00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: Month before the invasion. Huh. I bet he was. I 663 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 1: bet he was. I bet that guy was nervous until 664 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:45,879 Speaker 1: they believed him that he was pooping his pants. Um, well, 665 00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: I guess that does it for pooping or pants on 666 00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:51,280 Speaker 1: this one. Um, if you want to know more about spies, 667 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: you can type spies s p I E S into 668 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,440 Speaker 1: the search bar at how stuff works dot com. And 669 00:38:55,440 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 1: that's gonna bring up listener May all that right, Josh, 670 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,080 Speaker 1: And before we read listener mail, we want to announce 671 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: that our email address has officially changed. UM from Stuff 672 00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: podcast at how Stuff works dot com right to Stuff 673 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:17,040 Speaker 1: Podcast at Discovery dot com. Oh yeah, we Discovery has 674 00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:19,959 Speaker 1: finally said, all right, I guess you guys are really 675 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: working for us. We'll give you addresses with our with 676 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:27,719 Speaker 1: our name on it here your official Yes. 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Uh this is a correction. 705 00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,000 Speaker 1: And while we're correct thing, I want to point out, 706 00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,680 Speaker 1: as I have many, many, many times, that polar bears 707 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 1: do not live in Antarctica. I was very ill that 708 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: day and shouldn't have probably even been podcasting, but I misspoke. 709 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 1: Josh technically was talking about Emperor Penguin's No I'll tell 710 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: you what I was talking about. You know how you 711 00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,399 Speaker 1: were saying polar bears only live in Antarctica, and they 712 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,520 Speaker 1: only live in the Arctic. Well I didn't say that, 713 00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: but yeah, sure, isn't that the gist of what you're saying? Yeah, okay, 714 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,640 Speaker 1: I was saying that penguins don't live in the Arctic, 715 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: they live in Antarctica. Yes, they are also found in 716 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:36,760 Speaker 1: places like Australia to Africa. Um, I'm sure Argentina has 717 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,279 Speaker 1: shared Chile Um places not too far away from Antarctica. 718 00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:42,879 Speaker 1: But what I was saying is that they're not found 719 00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,479 Speaker 1: in the Arctic. And and emperor penguins, though, are only 720 00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,719 Speaker 1: found in Antarctica. So originally that's what you're talking about. 721 00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 1: So I'm depending either. Okay, So let's let's hear yet 722 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,560 Speaker 1: another correct, yet another correction, and and we messed up 723 00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:58,319 Speaker 1: Edmonton to the Canadian very happy with this, no, I know, 724 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:02,200 Speaker 1: So let me clear this up. Calgary, Alberta is a 725 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,920 Speaker 1: city in Canada. Edmonton, Alberta is also a city in Canada. 726 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: Alberta is a province in Canada. So it's like Atlanta, Georgia, 727 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,640 Speaker 1: New York, New York. And here's the thing. I love Canada. 728 00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: I hate I hate that we mess Canadian things up 729 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,920 Speaker 1: because we got a lot of fans there and they, 730 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: I know, the only problem with Canada is it's so 731 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,680 Speaker 1: close to Detroit. Boy, we love Detroit due by the way, 732 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:27,600 Speaker 1: So I think that's good. We don't need a listener 733 00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: mail because all those corrections were enough. Cool. So thank 734 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 1: you to all the Canadian fans who wrote in and 735 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 1: all the polar bear and penguin defenders of the earth. 736 00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:39,520 Speaker 1: We are sorry, we argument, and we coop. We did 737 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,280 Speaker 1: Hopefully we will do better. Let's make it a stuff 738 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: you should Know resolution to do better in two thousands. Well, 739 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:48,440 Speaker 1: well that's supposed to be done before, so let's just 740 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:53,759 Speaker 1: make it and let's just keep scrowing up. All right, 741 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 1: Let's do better. 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