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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody. I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics.

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Speaker 1: And I heard podcasts and unbothered production. Time to get spolitical.

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Speaker 1: So when it comes to following the relationship between sports

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Speaker 2: Follow the richway man.

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Speaker 1: The Federal Election Committee recently published a list of donors

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Speaker 1: to Donald Trump's second inauguration, and what do you know,

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Speaker 1: some of your favorite sports owners are on this list

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Speaker 1: aka the rich white man. Now, Trump's inaugural committee raised

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Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty nine million, which was more than

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Speaker 1: double what Trump raised his first time in office. According

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Speaker 1: to Front Office Sports, who analyzed this list, fifteen million

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Speaker 1: in donations came from team owners, betting companies, and individual

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Speaker 1: sports figures. Now, what I observed from the list is

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Speaker 1: that the state of Texas sure does love Donald Trump.

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Speaker 1: Houston Rocker owner Tillman for Tita, who donated a million

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Speaker 1: dollars for Tita, by the way, is Trump's nominee for

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Speaker 1: US Ambassador to Italy. From the same state, we have

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Speaker 1: Miriam Adelson, who owns the Dallas Mavericks, who also donated

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Speaker 1: a million dollars, even though he wasn't listed in the

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Speaker 1: Federal Election Committee receipts. The Cowboys confirmed to Front Office

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Speaker 1: Forts that Jerry Jones did, in fact donate to Trump's

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Speaker 1: inaugural campaign. Of course, Jerry had the check waiting for Trump,

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Speaker 1: because if there's one thing we know about Jerry Jones, he.

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Speaker 3: Sure does love being on the right side of history.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you're thinking, what's the big deal, somewhat if

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Speaker 1: some super uber wealthy people donate a bunch of money

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Speaker 1: to a bigoted, incompetent president, shouldn't they be allowed to

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Speaker 1: donate money to whoever they wish. Well, of course they

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Speaker 3: This is also about buying influence.

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Speaker 1: Now, this is one of the many reasons I give

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Speaker 1: a deep belly laugh when people say that sports is

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Speaker 1: without politics, or that sports and politics don't mix. No,

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Speaker 1: sports is all about politics, especially when it comes to

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Speaker 1: securing influence. Along these same lines, allow me to draw

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Speaker 1: some attention to another powerful sports group trying to use

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Speaker 1: their money to influence politics in their favor. The NCAA

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Speaker 1: is currently spending a lot of bread on lobbyists to

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Speaker 1: convince Congress to give the organization an antitrust exemption. For example,

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Speaker 1: the NCAA wants to be able to apply transfer restrictions

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Speaker 1: NCAA is currently facing. The reason the NCAA is seeking

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Speaker 1: an anti trust exemption is because one, they want complete

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Speaker 1: authority to set the NIL rules. The reason they can't

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Speaker 1: suits them too. The NCAA wants to cap what an

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Speaker 1: to be able to sue them for stifling their appeal

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Speaker 1: on the free market.

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Speaker 3: It's just that simple.

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Speaker 1: As you see, players are using the transfer portal to

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Speaker 3: The nc DOUBLEA effectively wants to end that now.

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Speaker 1: If college players are classified as employees, the NCUBLA will

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Speaker 1: might even be work limits, and depending on the state

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Speaker 1: same benefits that their regular employees already received. That would

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Speaker 1: American political system, this is how things work. Powerful with

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Speaker 1: if you want to know or understand why a law

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Speaker 1: who that law or regulation would benefit, it's very simple.

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Speaker 3: Just do what Chris Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Said, follow the rich way man.

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Speaker 1: I'm Jamelle Hill and I approved this message.

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Speaker 3: I'm very excited about today's episode.

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Speaker 1: My guest is a living pioneer, someone I've known for

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Speaker 1: well over a decade. In sports broadcasting, we tend to

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Speaker 1: see women over indexed in certain roles sideline reporting, hosting,

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Speaker 1: men who are creating the conversations with their opinions. Now,

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Speaker 1: even though we are seeing women in different roles across

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Speaker 1: sports broadcasting, one area where there remains very few women

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Speaker 1: is in play by play broadcasting, especially in men's sports.

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Speaker 1: My guest today is the very first black woman to

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Speaker 1: do play by play in college football at a major network.

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Speaker 1: But that is not the extent of her play by

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Speaker 1: play expertise. She does women's volleyball, women's softball, women's basketball,

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Speaker 1: on top of being the leading play by play commentator for.

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Speaker 1: Now, what makes that even more dope is that she's

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Speaker 1: a proud graduate of Florida A and M University, otherwise

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Speaker 1: known as fam You. She also is a proud member

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Speaker 1: of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority, Inc. And a proud homegrown

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Speaker 1: product of Tampa, Florida. Coming up next on Spolitics, the

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Speaker 1: Living Legend Tiffany Green.

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Speaker 2: TIF.

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Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have you join me here for

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Speaker 1: an episode of Politics.

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Speaker 3: But before we get into your.

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Speaker 1: Career, your groundbreaking, trailblazing career, let me put all the

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Speaker 1: sauce on it. I'm going to start the podcast asking

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Speaker 1: you a question I ask every guest who appears on

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Speaker 1: Spolitics and that is named an athlete or a moment

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Speaker 1: that made you love sports.

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Speaker 2: I'll go with all of Like the nineteen eighties, it

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Speaker 2: was the Chicago Cubs or the whole decade. Right, I'm

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Speaker 2: of the announced team, right, Harry Carey, Steve Stone later

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Speaker 2: Tom Brennaman. I just absolutely love them. You couldn't put

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Speaker 2: Chew Louisville Slugger. My mom's automan was definitely like the catcher.

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Speaker 2: I would mimic everything that they did in those games.

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Speaker 1: I refer to you as a trailblazer, even though in

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Speaker 1: football on a major network. You do more than college football, obviously,

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Speaker 1: So how is is this a skill set that you

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Speaker 2: feel like a are making a right play or right move,

437
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: then that time will come. That time will come.

438
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 1: Now, as I mentioned, you're the first black woman serve

439
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: as a play by play commentator for college football and

440
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 1: a major network. That major network obviously being ESPN. When

441
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: did you first learn that you carried that distinction?

442
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,680
Speaker 2: So someone told me that, like maybe like a few

443
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 2: days before I was going to be calling the game.

444
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,880
Speaker 2: So it was all cornsta like my first game, which

445
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 2: is like in twenty seventeen, right, And I was just like, nah,

446
00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: all it did was add more pressure, Like are you

447
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 2: kidding me here? I am a young co play by

448
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:54,800
Speaker 2: play trying to make my national, you know, debut for football,

449
00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 2: a sport that obviously everyone is watching in America and

450
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 2: cares about deeply, and you're gonna tell me that. I

451
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 2: was like, oh, I mean, so the pressure was mounting.

452
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 2: It was, it was certainly great and and and it

453
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,440
Speaker 2: didn't follow me the significance right of what it meant

454
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: to be in that moment. So the idea is like

455
00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm just trying not to screw it up, Like I'm

456
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 2: just trying to go out there and do what you've

457
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,560
Speaker 2: been training to do and preparing to do. You hear

458
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: that all the time, but like I was just like,

459
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to f this up because who knows

460
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: when the next black woman will have this opportunity to

461
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: sit in this chair. So I think my buddy Kareem

462
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: White was one of the first people to let me know, like, hey,

463
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,560
Speaker 2: you know this is this is kind of like a

464
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,120
Speaker 2: big deal. Like I was just like, all right, I'm

465
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 2: just going out there doing what I know to do

466
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 2: or doing what I have prepared myself to do. So yeah,

467
00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: that was a moment. Sadly, Jamlle, We're sitting up here

468
00:24:55,520 --> 00:25:03,400
Speaker 2: and they're still still me uh. Megan McPeak did it

469
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: with CBS like a season.

470
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: Or two ago, so that was actually, you're leading right

471
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: perfectly right into my next question, which is what does

472
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,359
Speaker 1: that say about our industry that you are not only

473
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: the first, you're still the only.

474
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: It's sad, right, like everybody needs to catch up. And

475
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: I feel like we have seen it in other sports

476
00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 2: where I think, you know, Dave Roberts did a great

477
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: job with his time over the NBA and w n

478
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:36,440
Speaker 2: b A and kind of finding more talent, more diverse talent,

479
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,720
Speaker 2: more talent that represents the sport be in those positions.

480
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:45,080
Speaker 2: But football has got a stronghold. You know, Baseball is

481
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 2: such a unique sport and that it's just trying to

482
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,679
Speaker 2: still connect to our community or reconnect to our community again.

483
00:25:53,240 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 2: Uh NHL. It's it's disappointing. And my hope is that

484
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:05,159
Speaker 2: this is a message to all the young minority but

485
00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,639
Speaker 2: black play by plays, like this is your opportunity, this

486
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 2: is your time we're looking for and this this the

487
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 2: audience I think is hungry for, you know, representation and

488
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: different voices. So that means to all of the Zora

489
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: Stevenson's and Angel grays and and Megan Makepeaks and ty

490
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 2: Floyds and someone's families, like yo, get in this thing.

491
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,240
Speaker 2: If you're thinking about you want to do sideline, consider

492
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: play by play. I mean it takes time and there

493
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 2: has to be a comfortability those you know skill sets

494
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,399
Speaker 2: that you talked about being able to do multiple things

495
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 2: at one time, just kind of being the conduit or

496
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 2: conductor rather of the broadcast. But like this is the

497
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 2: best time ever to get into play by play and

498
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: you kind of have to sell it or pitch it

499
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: that way because most people just don't think about it right.

500
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 2: Everyone's intent dated by the position, and that's what we're

501
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 2: so in need of. I was watching or looking at

502
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 2: a report. I think it was the Black play By

503
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: Play Fund at the beginning of this year, and they said,

504
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: we as black people represent maybe like just under six

505
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 2: percent of play by plays total and across the six

506
00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: major sports, which is atrocious. Like it's that is that

507
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: is beyond sad. And when you look at where black

508
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: women sit in that, you know, the majority of the

509
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,239
Speaker 2: play by play voices, you know, Cindy Brunson's over with

510
00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Mercury and that the w n b A

511
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: is what you're what you're seeing more of. But outside

512
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 2: of that, yeah, we're just not represented. We're not represented

513
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 2: well enough. And that's part of what I feel like

514
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,719
Speaker 2: my duty is, my responsibility is to help change that.

515
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure a great number of young

516
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 1: women come up to you, they express their desires to

517
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: be in this business, and I love that you're planning

518
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: that seed with them to consider play by play because

519
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: I do think that you're right, there is a perception

520
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,239
Speaker 1: of intimidation that's there that can I really do this

521
00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: because it is again quite a very special.

522
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,679
Speaker 3: And unique skill set.

523
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: People always talk about, Oh, the reason we don't see

524
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: more of us in certain positions is because there's just

525
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: not enough talent as someone who is doing this at

526
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: the grassroot level in terms of just you know, understanding

527
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: who out there is coming up. You know, what do

528
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 1: you say to people who believe that part of the

529
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: reason the representation isn't there is because the talent and

530
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: the workforce isn't there for them to put in these positions.

531
00:28:45,400 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: The talent I just mentioned, like I just named some

532
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 2: phenomenal names of young women who I think are going

533
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 2: to do beyond anything that I'm doing. And that's what

534
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 2: my hope is. Yoursors, your angels, your megans, and so

535
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,840
Speaker 2: there are men need more that follow behind them that

536
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 2: have great skill, but they just need opportunity. I think

537
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 2: that's where it is. And so if I want everyone

538
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 2: to consider that if you're hiring someone, be fair in

539
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: the hiring and that take a chance on this young

540
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 2: lady who looks like me and you know differently than

541
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 2: you would take a chance on someone else, because it's

542
00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:33,479
Speaker 2: the opportunity that is hard to come by. But in

543
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: the meantime, there are so many different ways that you

544
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 2: can make yourself and promote yourself and show that you're available. Right, So, okay,

545
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: you're not on the game. You and your friend y'all

546
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: call a game. You got YouTube, you got social media,

547
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 2: you got everything that you need right there to kind

548
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:54,840
Speaker 2: of create your own tape and be innovative in that way.

549
00:29:55,240 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Radio calls getting on with schools, regional networks or localized

550
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 2: networks and broadcast high school football is huge, of course

551
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 2: in the South, so popping on with some of those

552
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 2: like finding ways to show that, hey, I am about

553
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: this life. Okay, I'm trying to get into it. Here

554
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 2: is what my body of work is so far. I

555
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: can do even greater if you just give me that opportunity.

556
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: So it always falls back to opportunity. But I told them,

557
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 2: or I tell them rather, don't keep fighting, right, don't

558
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: keep knocking on the door, and don't keep reminding them.

559
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,280
Speaker 2: It took me like twelve years first and foremost to

560
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 2: even get to ESPN. It took me some you know,

561
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 2: a little extra time to even do play by play,

562
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:46,160
Speaker 2: and so because of that, you just have to be

563
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:51,400
Speaker 2: willing to work. But there's a little patience that also

564
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: comes into that.

565
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 1: Toom, well, that's what I'm One of the things I've

566
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: admired about you is that you've always been patient and

567
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: seemed to carry the attitude of like what's for me

568
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: is for me, and that can be really hard sometimes

569
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: when you're hearing those nos. So what would you say

570
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: was central for you? As you said, it took you

571
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: twelve years to get to ESPN. Listen, I did a

572
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: full ten year bid in newspapers before I got the ESPN.

573
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 3: So I think there's this idea sometimes that some.

574
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 1: Of these young folks have that the success is instantaneous,

575
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: but it is not, like it is a mind. So

576
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: what were some of the things maybe you had to

577
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: keep reminding yourself, saying to yourself, reinforcing that allows you

578
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: to get through that period before you actually made it

579
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: to the major network that you dreamed of making.

580
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: It too, The no is not my yes yet, right,

581
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 2: So I know that you may tell me no right now.

582
00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: It's just not my yes yet, And so when my

583
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 2: yes comes then I'll be ready. But I think and

584
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: there's multiple ways for you to also go after something, right.

585
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,960
Speaker 2: So I was trying to get to ESPN. I was

586
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: working in ABJ, I was trying to build relationships. I

587
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 2: was trying to be creative in my stand ups as

588
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: a one man band to show them that I could

589
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: do this or that my play by play calls were

590
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 2: gonna stand out and pop and all that kind of stuff.

591
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: But I just knew that my faith had to help

592
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 2: guide me. I write things down, I'm a firm believer

593
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: and speaking things into existence, and so literally I have

594
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 2: a roadmap of where I wanted to be from one

595
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 2: point to the next point and the years that I

596
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 2: was going to take to get to that point. And

597
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 2: then I had an amazing and amazing village, like an

598
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 2: amazing village of mentors and family and friends who kept

599
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 2: encouraging me like along the way, and I was like,

600
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: I know I'm doing good work, Like I know that

601
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: I am capable of this. So I would be yelling

602
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 2: daily affirmations out all the time in the car, in

603
00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,680
Speaker 2: the mirror, just reminding myself because like naturally you get down,

604
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:05,240
Speaker 2: and naturally you start to question yourself and doubt yourself

605
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: because if you don't get the validation of others sometimes

606
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: then it's just like, well, maybe I wasn't strong enough

607
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: in myself early in my career to believe that that

608
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 2: maybe I was gonna have that opportunity. But I just

609
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 2: I go back to my faith. I go back to

610
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: my faith, and athletes oftentimes have a twenty four hour rule, right,

611
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 2: so they get told no, they have a defeed. Something happens,

612
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 2: and then in that twenty four hours they flush it

613
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: out and they use that as refueling for them to

614
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: go back and work even harder and greater and do better,

615
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: for them to reach and seek their goal, seek and

616
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: reach their goal rather And so I took that under advisement,

617
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: did that and I feel like that has helped to

618
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: make the difference in the process.

619
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,960
Speaker 1: Well, before we go to break on and ask you

620
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: one last thing. You were the women's final four just

621
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: recently there in Tampa where you live, and you were

622
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: very much a part of that. When we look at

623
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: the growth and explosion and not just women's basketball, but

624
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: women's sports overall, do you see this growth in this

625
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: explosion is now we got for women's volleyball league, We

626
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: have another league and unrival. You know, like this growth

627
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,479
Speaker 1: of women's sports. What do you think that will mean

628
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 1: for opportunities for women who are in your field?

629
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 2: Well, I think it now broadens the landscape of what

630
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: you're going to be able to do in terms of

631
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 2: accessing jobs, to be able to call games, right, so

632
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: you can have a roster that works with unrivaled and

633
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,520
Speaker 2: you can have a roster that works with the League

634
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: one volleyball, like there will be greater opportunity. But also

635
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 2: it just helps to provide, Like we've seen this tipping

636
00:34:48,040 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: point of momentum, I think that leads to greater pay too, right,

637
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: greater opportunity, greater pay, because that's something that we've been

638
00:34:55,960 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: fighting for, is pay equality and getting women paid just

639
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 2: like the men are being paid, and showing that women's

640
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: sports have high value, great value of phenomenal product, amazing athletes.

641
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: So so I just think that that just opens the

642
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:18,440
Speaker 2: door for so many more young women to be able

643
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 2: to be involved in sports in one form or another.

644
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it.

645
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: I mean it's hard, especially with the direction that these

646
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 1: sports are taking and the growth is just unbelievable. It's

647
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 1: hard not to imagine that won't trickle down and have

648
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: some effect and you know, perhaps force a lot of

649
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: these decision makers to start to consider women for you know,

650
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: the these roles. That's it feels like for them it's

651
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 1: almost easier because it's a women's sport, Like, oh yes,

652
00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: I can imagine a woman do it. They can imagine

653
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,760
Speaker 1: that well, perhaps this will extend to them further opening

654
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: their minds and imagining women in these roles when it

655
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: comes to calling men's sports.

656
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 3: Listen, I got a lot more I want to ask

657
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 3: you about. We're going to take a very quick break.

658
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: But on the other side, I want to ask you

659
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: about your preparation because this is something I've been dying

660
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,320
Speaker 1: to know about how play By the commentators prepare for games.

661
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: Because when I see you, know, whenever they show you

662
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: all in the booth and you have charts and graphs,

663
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh my god, that looks like the

664
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: worst science project ever.

665
00:36:22,040 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 3: So I need I need to know what happens in there.

666
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 1: But we're just going to take this quick break and

667
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 1: we'll be back with more with Tiffany Green. So, as

668
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: I mentioned before the break, tiff preparation, I am dying

669
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: to know how you guys prepare, Like I know how

670
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: I prepare if I'm going to be on a studio

671
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: show talk about a particular subject.

672
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 3: But I got to talk about that for like, you know,

673
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:54,440
Speaker 3: maybe five minutes.

674
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,200
Speaker 1: You know, maybe if I'm interviewing with somebody, it's longer.

675
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: You were talking about the same thing for two plus hours,

676
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: possibly so what does your preparation look like?

677
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 2: Well, you know what, we go after the same way.

678
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: We just add a couple of more layers to it

679
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 2: because I think we naturally take in information by osupposs

680
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: just watching games, right, But then there is a ton

681
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 2: of like reading, but you're reading from all different sources.

682
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:20,479
Speaker 2: You're reading the game notes and trying to comb through

683
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 2: and see themes and storylines that you can pull out

684
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: about players or trends within the team. So that is helpful.

685
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: You read articles, you're watching game feel right, you're talking

686
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 2: about it with your analysts, especially if you have a

687
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 2: good relationship with them, So you're kind of going through

688
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: and looking at coverages and hey, what are the tendencies

689
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 2: that they're paying attention to or what do they do

690
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: in situational downs. I probably talked to let's just say

691
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 2: in football, I probably talked to my analyst, Jay Walker,

692
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: at minimum, I don't know, about an hour a day,

693
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 2: and we shoot the breeze and the process at the

694
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 2: beginning of it, right, and then we're talking about, Hey,

695
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: what's happening at Jackson State or a fam you or

696
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: at Howard Because I covered the HBCU landscape among other

697
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 2: college teams and so we're paying attention to very closely,

698
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: and I feel like we're very connected within that space

699
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 2: to know what's going on. Coaches are calling us and

700
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 2: giving us information quickly or easily. And then game board,

701
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 2: Lauren Hemercy, my game board, are you talking about that

702
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: science project? It's all it feels like a dissertation slash,

703
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: like these bad problems on there, Like it's a whole

704
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 2: lot jumpled on there. And I think I spent a

705
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 2: lot of time because you're trying to now dissect information out,

706
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: trying to write it in a way that color codes

707
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:53,920
Speaker 2: it for you. Stats are going to be one color,

708
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,480
Speaker 2: history is going to be another color. Like game boards

709
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 2: are so important to what I do, and I I'll

710
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:04,560
Speaker 2: source the service for but that's really my map, right,

711
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 2: So they'll put in like heightweight, information, name, position, But

712
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: then I input because I like to again thinking it over,

713
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,839
Speaker 2: talking it over, writing it down, typing it in. All

714
00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: of that helps to remind me about it so that

715
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: it's like you cram for a test every week. But

716
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: those game boards are really kind of your guiding you know,

717
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: like your grid as to how you're going to navigate

718
00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:34,799
Speaker 2: within the game. And then not just game boards, but

719
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: then you're talking about again kind of topics that you

720
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 2: want to cover. So I'm going through and making sure

721
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: that I can give you the history and everything the

722
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 2: background on the teams, but I'm also wanting you to

723
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 2: know like what's happening this week, what's going on, and

724
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: how a particular team fits within the league, and the

725
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 2: conversations all around that. So I'm always trying to go

726
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 2: through topics, things that you really want to make sure

727
00:39:59,920 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: you hit and if it's really important, you got to

728
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: remind them again because like every half hour, people are

729
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: dropping in and out of the conference or rather watching

730
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 2: the show or the broadcast, so you got to sit

731
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 2: back and remind them of what's really important about these teams.

732
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:18,279
Speaker 2: So it's it's just a lot of information overload. And

733
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:21,359
Speaker 2: that's not even when you get to practice, right because

734
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 2: then you got to go to practices. You typically get

735
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,960
Speaker 2: in on a Thursday, and you go to practices. You're

736
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 2: talking with coaches, you're talking with players. So it's just

737
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 2: a lot of gaining of information and then just sifting

738
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: through to figure out what is the best way to

739
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 2: present that information.

740
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I told people this and they kind of laugh

741
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: when I said it, But I told them that, like

742
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 1: the hardest job I ever had at ESPN was doing

743
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,240
Speaker 1: sideline reporting, like by far, like nothing else.

744
00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 3: Was even close.

745
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: And it's because of everything that you said. And this

746
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: is just doing it from the sidelines. You're in the booth,

747
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,720
Speaker 1: like I'm just doing hits a couple times a game,

748
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 1: and the amount of information you have to know every week,

749
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:06,759
Speaker 1: because I think people have it in their mind that

750
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 1: when you're doing and it's good for you because you're

751
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: you're covering HBCU football, So like at least you get

752
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: to kind of dig into one, you know, one one

753
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 1: specific you know, like a couple of specific leads you know,

754
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,919
Speaker 1: teams like so you can kind of make your way there.

755
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: But like every week I'm on a different game and

756
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: it feels like I'm studying for a major exam. Is

757
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 1: you know, you get that thick packet that arrives at

758
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: your house on Monday. You know, like you said, you

759
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: got to meet with the uh you know, meet with

760
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: the coordinators, the coach. You know, I didn't go to practice,

761
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,080
Speaker 1: but we we talked to the coordinators and the coach

762
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: like every week. I think I think some of the

763
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: analysts actually did go to practice, but that invitation was

764
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,480
Speaker 1: never extended to me. Now I'm wondering why, no, no,

765
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: all that is that? Trust me as a beat report,

766
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: I saw enough football practice.

767
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,479
Speaker 2: I'm good, but you're right, But.

768
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:57,759
Speaker 1: It is it is a mountain of information that you

769
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 1: have to be able to to learn and to know.

770
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: So how did you sort of get comfortable with that onslide?

771
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: I mean, now again your season, so a lot of

772
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,279
Speaker 1: these teams you're seeing over and over and through the

773
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 1: course of the year. Now, but like when you were

774
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 1: first starting out, Like, how did you not let that

775
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: part of it.

776
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: Get to be a little intimidating? Oh?

777
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: It was overwhelming and stressful as all get out, really

778
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 2: and honestly going from sport to sport. And I'm gonna

779
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: say this because the crossover of seasons is like still

780
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 2: all the dreads. So you finished with football in your

781
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,720
Speaker 2: full football mode, and you'd be like, what is happening

782
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 2: in basketball? Now? We just finished basketball? And then you're like, oh,

783
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: let me insert a preseason softball tournament in here, and

784
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: you've got to prepare for all these teams. It's just

785
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 2: like Woosaw and I was trying to take in everything

786
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 2: at one time, and that just was not working. It's

787
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,479
Speaker 2: not my brain doesn't work that way, so it wasn't

788
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: possible for me. So sometimes you kind of just like,

789
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,479
Speaker 2: do I remember that? I kind of confused that name,

790
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 2: you know, because they're also similar there. So I was like, no,

791
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do whatever is in front of me,

792
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 2: one thing at a time. And Beth Mowens was great

793
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: because she would tell me at the beginning of my

794
00:43:13,239 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: career because she does multiple sports. Hey, I kind of

795
00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: create like a bible, right, and so I create team

796
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,160
Speaker 2: notes for each year so I don't have to go

797
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:28,280
Speaker 2: back and relearn the history or the memorable or notable

798
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: players or what happened in a season. You kind of

799
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 2: keep a steady log of it throughout and then you

800
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,920
Speaker 2: just update the notes and that familiarizes you because as

801
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,439
Speaker 2: soon as you get back and look at it, you're like, oh, yeah,

802
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:42,600
Speaker 2: that's right, that's exactly what happened with this season. I

803
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:46,480
Speaker 2: remember she did Now with the transfer portal, obviously, that

804
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:50,399
Speaker 2: creates a little bit more my lord, what year are

805
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:55,799
Speaker 2: you COVID? Good? Are you are you coming back?

806
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,800
Speaker 3: You got likes?

807
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 2: Yeah?

808
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 3: What?

809
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: So like all of those things so I figured out

810
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 2: doing it one at a time, because you can't bite

811
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,399
Speaker 2: off an element, elephant whatever in one fit. You gotta

812
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: do a little bits at the time or whatever. The

813
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: saying is, like, that's exactly what I had to do.

814
00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,359
Speaker 2: I had to slowly say, Okay, this is in front

815
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 2: of me, and then when it's in front of me,

816
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: I just dive in holy and that allows me to

817
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm a good grammer, So that allows

818
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: me to kind of like input the information and have

819
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: it stick and retain. And then unfortunately, you know, if

820
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 2: you're a friend of mine or your family member of mine,

821
00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear some of that stuff regurgitated because you're like, okay,

822
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 2: did I get it right? Like, do I have it? Hey?

823
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 2: Tell me about you know, Texas Longhorns women's basketball. Oh okay,

824
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 2: well let me tell you about master books, the Big Twelve,

825
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 2: Player of the Year, SEC player. They you try to

826
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 2: go through and just kind of regurgitate some of the information.

827
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 2: At least that's what I found to have been helpful

828
00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:01,880
Speaker 2: for me, because it's a shiplow excuse my language, but

829
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 2: you know, it's a ton of stuff, and then you

830
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 2: add like a status component right. So Stig will send out,

831
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:14,120
Speaker 2: like you know, stats and notes that you need to

832
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 2: know for the game and the league. And then you

833
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 2: have your statistician because you're balancing a lot at one time.

834
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 2: So I've got my stat guy here telling me kind

835
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 2: of not down a distance, but how much was gained

836
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 2: on the play, or flagging me if I didn't see

837
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:31,680
Speaker 2: a flag or something like that. I got my spotor

838
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 2: helping me in the middle to tell me who made

839
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: the tackle, who's in the backfield, if there's a change

840
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,879
Speaker 2: at quarterback. Because there is so much going on, I'm

841
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 2: actually trying to listen to what my colleague is trying

842
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 2: to say, my producers in my ear. And then you're

843
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: like taking in the action. So it's like a cafeteria

844
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: at a high school or something, and just like all

845
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 2: kinds of stuff is going on at one time. You're

846
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,359
Speaker 2: trying to just direct your attention to one thing at

847
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: a time. But yeah, it's a lot, but it's great.

848
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:02,959
Speaker 2: It's a fun it's a fun a lot.

849
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: That's a fun a lot.

850
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:07,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So when your seasons start to collide a little bit,

851
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: I imagine probably a little bit later in the football

852
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 1: season and you have women's basketball and all these other

853
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 1: things going on.

854
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 3: What does your schedule look like?

855
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: So I travel Thursday to Sunday usually for football, but

856
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 2: I would say I'm out of the fifty two weeks,

857
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: I'm going forty out of the fifty two weeks. That's

858
00:46:26,360 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 2: on the road quite a bit, and you kind of

859
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:33,240
Speaker 2: can go from one place to a next. With football,

860
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 2: that tends to happen a lot more towards the end

861
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:38,360
Speaker 2: of the year as preseasons kind of kicking up. In

862
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 2: the start of women's basketball is going, I'll kind of

863
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 2: just go from one spot to the next and then

864
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: i feel like like a fish out of water sometimes

865
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,439
Speaker 2: because I'm like, wait minute, the pace of the game,

866
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 2: like because there's a different flow for football. Football is like,

867
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: you know, you got three and a half hours. There's

868
00:46:57,080 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 2: a different type of hadence that you have with it,

869
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,920
Speaker 2: and then you move to basketball and it's just like

870
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 2: bam bam, bam bam bam, all right, we done so.

871
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 2: So you have to cater to the different flows to

872
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: it as well. But the travel schedule is very hectic.

873
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: It's it's it's pretty crazy, but that's what we sign

874
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: up for. But that crossover of seasons, so like there

875
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 2: was a there was a stretch of time from like

876
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: March or the end of February, and you don't know

877
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 2: whether you're coming here, you're going. You just take some

878
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: clothes out, put some clothes back in, and get back

879
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 2: on the road and figure it out. Because it's a

880
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 2: constant thing. You then add tournaments in there, or or

881
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,439
Speaker 2: conference championships things like that, and then you're just you're

882
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 2: just away a lot. You're you're on the road a lot.

883
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,000
Speaker 2: But it's it's again, it's all. It's all good. Though.

884
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: Well, it should be mentioned here that you are a

885
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: wife and the mother of two darling boys who seem

886
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,359
Speaker 1: to be growing every twenty second. So how does this

887
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 1: hectic forty week travel schedule, how do you navigate that?

888
00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 3: With your family?

889
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 2: They are amazing first and foremost, because I feel like

890
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 2: my husband and my kids they make a great sacrifice

891
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 2: everything I do. I tend to like sign off with

892
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 2: my husband and then the village that is my parents

893
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 2: and my in laws. Hey got this game coming up,

894
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 2: Hey what's the coverage looking like? And managing that right

895
00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:32,040
Speaker 2: there is like trying to manage what Don Staley has

896
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: to do with her McDonald's all Americans like making sure

897
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,000
Speaker 2: everybody the right place. They get their playing time, or

898
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 2: they're getting their attention, like all those things. So it

899
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: is because they all buy in that helps me to

900
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 2: feel some type of relief. And I'm on the road

901
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 2: because the guilt is always going to be there. Right

902
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm away, I'm missing something. I can't be as involved

903
00:48:57,160 --> 00:49:01,680
Speaker 2: as I'd like, so they make it possible. I try

904
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 2: to put a Superwoman cape on. I don't know if

905
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,600
Speaker 2: that's necessarily healthy either. Balance does not exist with this

906
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,520
Speaker 2: whole thing that is a foregone conclusion like we are.

907
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: I am not balanced, okay. I just feel like I'm

908
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 2: running ragged. And when my husband gets the attention, then

909
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: my kids want the attention, and when my kids want

910
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 2: the attention, that my parents need my attention. And then

911
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 2: there's work, and then there's friends. Like you're trying to

912
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: have like a little life in the process of but

913
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: they make it possible. I don't do any of this

914
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: without the good Lord upstairs and my village who are

915
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,359
Speaker 2: all about it, and they understand the commitment that it

916
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,839
Speaker 2: takes and the time away that it takes. I try

917
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: to take my sons on the road with me when

918
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 2: I can. My husband and I learned that we don't

919
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:54,560
Speaker 2: do tournaments together anymore. We learn that very early because

920
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 2: it's just so much of a demand and you have

921
00:49:56,840 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 2: to be away so much that it's best that maybe

922
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:03,440
Speaker 2: we kind of do like one off, you know, sporting

923
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:08,359
Speaker 2: event trips. So it's it's it's been a it's been

924
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 2: a wild ride because you hear and this is what

925
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 2: I applaud so many of the young women in the

926
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 2: business now for doing. They speak up for themselves, they

927
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 2: advocate for themselves, and they try to create as best

928
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,480
Speaker 2: of a balance as possible. And I'm kind of like that.

929
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: In between Era was just like, yo, you gotta work,

930
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 2: you gotta push, you gotta fight, you gotta do whatever

931
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 2: you can to get to where you are, and then

932
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,759
Speaker 2: you got to try to stay where you are. I

933
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 2: love it and I'm learning from them how to be like, no,

934
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 2: I can't, I've gotta I can't do that right now.

935
00:50:45,320 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 2: So so that's been that's been amazing. But I think

936
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: my husband, Aaron, I'm gonna shout him out, and my

937
00:50:50,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 2: boys Bryston and Aaron, who could give who could care

938
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:56,480
Speaker 2: less obviously about.

939
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna say, But are your kids aware of

940
00:50:59,800 --> 00:51:03,040
Speaker 1: what you do for they know.

941
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 2: They they watch, they watch, they do listen. They are excited,

942
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 2: but their kids, so they're not paying any mind. They

943
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,360
Speaker 2: want their Pepperoni and Boom Chika Pop and to play

944
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,200
Speaker 2: bab Blade when I come back home and do our

945
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 2: battles and Pokemon like, that's what they care about. So

946
00:51:25,920 --> 00:51:28,720
Speaker 2: that's what they're more interested in. They want my time.

947
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 2: They want my time heavy. So as soon as I

948
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:36,400
Speaker 2: step back home, it's like, all right, gear up with

949
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,680
Speaker 2: some caffeine or Celsius or something and get ready to go.

950
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,040
Speaker 2: Because they don't care about what Mommy does. They don't

951
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 2: they don't know that I'm making any kind of impact.

952
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,520
Speaker 2: I try to share with them. I try to tell

953
00:51:49,560 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 2: them I think it's starting to click with my oldest bryson, like, Mommy,

954
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,000
Speaker 2: you know a lot of people know you. Yes, you

955
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 2: know they do, and because I'm from Tampa and my

956
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 2: parents are still here like that, but they could. They don't.

957
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: They don't care. I saw you, And they may say

958
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:17,280
Speaker 2: they may say good job mommy, like maybe maybe maybe maybe,

959
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 2: but they're like, so what have you done for me lately? Okay,

960
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 2: So when you when you're gonna serve my needs and

961
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 2: that's okay, that's all right.

962
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, as you know as a season TV professional, uh,

963
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: there are the best part about doing TV are are

964
00:52:35,640 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 1: moments both planned and unexpected, and you've been through your

965
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: share of both.

966
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 3: But I thought, you know, definitely a great.

967
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:47,479
Speaker 1: Moment was when you and Jay had Kamala Harrison the booth.

968
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: Uh so talk about what that experience was like and

969
00:52:51,480 --> 00:52:52,840
Speaker 1: maybe how how that came together.

970
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:54,879
Speaker 2: Well, it was the perfect storm of everything. Right. I'm

971
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 2: a graduate of Florida A and M University. Jay is

972
00:52:57,560 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 2: a graduate of Howard University. Uh the sitting vice president.

973
00:53:01,080 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris at the time a graduate of Howard, and

974
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 2: we had seen her at another game before. But I'll

975
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 2: tell you the power and the strength of an HBCU

976
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: network and how we saw that come into play. She

977
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:15,160
Speaker 2: had been to the Truth and Service Classic, and she

978
00:53:15,239 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 2: had gone to the Howard Men's basketball in CAA tournament game.

979
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: But we were like, yo, we're in Atlanta, this is

980
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:28,919
Speaker 2: our game and these two teams are colliding, like we've

981
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:31,960
Speaker 2: got to make this happen, And it was. It was

982
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,720
Speaker 2: a lot of work behind the scenes, but Kirsten Allen

983
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 2: at the time was working with her team, and she

984
00:53:38,600 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: was just like, we put in the request, let's see

985
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: if it could happen. She worked incredibly hard to do so,

986
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:52,120
Speaker 2: and her being there was like everything it was it

987
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 2: was just Black excellence at its best and how better

988
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 2: to do it than at this National Championship game and

989
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: so cool, Like she's so cool, And she talked about

990
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 2: her Howard experience, her HBCU experience. We are sorority sisters,

991
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 2: members of Alpha Kappa Alpha Sorority Incorporated, so we had

992
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 2: a chance to talk about that as well, and it

993
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 2: was it was just it was just a moment. It

994
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 2: was just a moment that I won't soon forget. And

995
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 2: I reminded her when we had the opportunity to participate

996
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: in uh an event at the at the residence of

997
00:54:31,000 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 2: the Vice President. I was like, yeah, remember fam, you

998
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: whipped up on you your your your your advice. No, but

999
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: it was it was just I felt like it meant

1000
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,799
Speaker 2: so much for us to be there and to be

1001
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 2: able to do that, and that she took the time

1002
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: to do that. It was it was, it was special,

1003
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 2: It was beautiful, and it was just the intersectionality of

1004
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 2: everything that you know, and I I would say experience

1005
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: at an HBCU that just physical, mental, emotional, spiritual type

1006
00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 2: of thing where you just you want to be there.

1007
00:55:10,520 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 2: There's this collective like yes in Unison that you see

1008
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 2: because we were uber proud of what she represents and

1009
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,640
Speaker 2: the way that she represented. So for everyone else to

1010
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 2: see that on a national stage and for her to

1011
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,880
Speaker 2: say this is this is what's important to me also

1012
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 2: because I think the question mark is sometimes HBCUs or

1013
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:40,200
Speaker 2: marginalized HBCU sports can be in question there and she

1014
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 2: made time to be there. So we loved it. I

1015
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,279
Speaker 2: loved it. I love it.

1016
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: I won't forget it, you know, And I'm glad you

1017
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 1: brought that last part that you set up about HBCU

1018
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:55,719
Speaker 1: sports being marginalized, you know as somebody who is you know,

1019
00:55:55,800 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 1: broadcasting HBCU games or being the playboff play broadcaster on

1020
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:06,000
Speaker 1: these games. Just how have you seen, I know, on

1021
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 1: some level, how do you see like yourself sort of

1022
00:56:09,120 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 1: being the counter narrative to what a lot of people

1023
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,240
Speaker 1: think they know about HBCUs or a lot of negative

1024
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:17,360
Speaker 1: perceptions about HBCUs and the type of skill level this

1025
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: day type of athlete, Like, how do you see yourself

1026
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: playing a role in providing this counter narrative.

1027
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, when you look at the HBCU history,

1028
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:31,760
Speaker 2: like they've been on this right, the excellence has always persistent.

1029
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 2: I'm just another example of it. But the players who

1030
00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 2: came through. You think about how the NFL was built,

1031
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 2: You think about how sports or you know, franchises were built,

1032
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,760
Speaker 2: they were built off of the greatness of HBCU players.

1033
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 2: And so I don't think that we should forget that

1034
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: and the current state of affairs because things have now

1035
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,319
Speaker 2: even out so much. Yes, you still have your your

1036
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:59,040
Speaker 2: powerhouse or blue blood programs, but everything has balanced out

1037
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 2: because of the transfer portal that you can overlook in HBCU.

1038
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 2: And when you look at the way a Marquis Bell

1039
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:10,839
Speaker 2: or Darius Leonard or Javon Hargrave or Tron Armstead are

1040
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: performing right now right now, or such as say Shaquille Leonard,

1041
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 2: but right now in the NFL, I think it speaks

1042
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,160
Speaker 2: for except itself. You just have to again we go

1043
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 2: back to always saying the opportunity, like the decision makers

1044
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 2: still have to be courageous enough to say I'm gonna

1045
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 2: select this, you know player from this HBCU and watch

1046
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 2: them work, watch them work, because the body of work

1047
00:57:37,840 --> 00:57:42,040
Speaker 2: is there. And when you saw Schador and Travis Hunter

1048
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: at Jackson State and then have that same success and

1049
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,800
Speaker 2: then on this greater stage against you know, more higher

1050
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 2: caliber competition and they balled out just like they did

1051
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,480
Speaker 2: at Jackson State, it only helps to put a stamp

1052
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 2: on the HBCUs that they played against. In addition to

1053
00:57:59,600 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 2: where they work at JSU. Talent is there. The talent

1054
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: is there. Make the choice, make the choice and bet

1055
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: on HBCUs. And so part of where I am is

1056
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 2: a lot of people always want to say, well, hey,

1057
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: don't you want to do more and don't you want

1058
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: to you know, have this this greater voice. But I

1059
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: want to be the voice of HBCUs because I want

1060
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: to make I'm not doing it because it's hot. I

1061
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 2: do it because I care about it. I love the product.

1062
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 2: I think it's phenomenal. I'm sitting here on this podcast

1063
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: with you because of my HBCU fam you and I

1064
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 2: want to make that the thing right. I want to

1065
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 2: see not go through and SEEO no more no players

1066
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 2: selected from HBCUs. I want to provide a voice for

1067
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 2: them and add to their platform and show that you

1068
00:58:54,320 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 2: can get anywhere from an HBCU literally anywhere to the

1069
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: highest or second highest office in the United States global

1070
00:59:02,800 --> 00:59:06,560
Speaker 2: leaders you can you can get there. And I just

1071
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 2: feel like my passion will help in that and lend

1072
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 2: the voice and continue to provide an awareness about or

1073
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 2: keep it top of mind of conversation.

1074
00:59:20,120 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: I think I read this stat a while ago that

1075
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:26,560
Speaker 1: in corporate America, you know, among the black folks that

1076
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,160
Speaker 1: are in corporate America, forty percent of them went to HBCU.

1077
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:33,880
Speaker 1: So it's like this pipeline of excellence of you know,

1078
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: providing you know, so much of the bedrock of the professional.

1079
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 3: Workforce is still coming through HBCUs.

1080
00:59:41,560 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 1: Before I get to what I call the messy question

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00:59:44,320 --> 00:59:47,479
Speaker 1: that we end with, I want to ask you since

1082
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: we were talking, you talked so much throughout this podcast

1083
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,280
Speaker 1: about you know, sort of mentorship and having that good village.

1084
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,000
Speaker 3: I want to ask you about your experience for Robin Roberts.

1085
00:59:57,080 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: You know, I t Robin and Robin Roberts, who has

1086
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,560
Speaker 1: been the gold standard in our business for a long time.

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01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 1: What's so crazy and wow to me is that there's

1088
01:00:07,240 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: like generations of people who do not know she started

1089
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 1: at ESPN. Don't remember Robert Roberts as an anchor at ESPN,

1090
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:20,280
Speaker 1: which makes me feel sick as well, which makes me

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01:00:20,360 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: feel seven thousand years old.

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01:00:22,960 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 3: Uh, you had a very you know, it's a profound

1093
01:00:28,080 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: experience for Robin.

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01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:32,880
Speaker 1: Explain what your experience with her was like and how

1095
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: she impacted your career.

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01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, she is my goat, She is my everything.

1097
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: Everybody loves Robin Roberts and how can you not the genuineness,

1098
01:00:42,600 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 2: the authenticity. And it was at an NABJ convention here

1099
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: in Tampa where I had the opportunity to meet her.

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01:00:50,800 --> 01:00:54,800
Speaker 2: So this was like my I'm a huge fan of

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01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: jay Z and so I see her in this like

1102
01:00:57,600 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 2: mentoring breakfast, I'm going to meet her. And then I

1103
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:05,400
Speaker 2: kind of like hang around, hang around, and I take

1104
01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 2: a picture with her and I was like a group

1105
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: picture and I was like oh okay, and I kind

1106
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: of get an individual picture and I was like okay, cool.

1107
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,040
Speaker 2: I did it. And I walk out and I called

1108
01:01:14,040 --> 01:01:16,720
Speaker 2: my line sister and I was like, yeah, I saw

1109
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:19,120
Speaker 2: Robin Roberts, but I was I was trying to wait

1110
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:21,000
Speaker 2: for but I couldn't. It was it was like a

1111
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 2: total fangirl moment. So she's like the Kanye and I

1112
01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 2: was the jay Z and she was like, yeah, tee,

1113
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,360
Speaker 2: what would jay Z do? Okay, you got to put

1114
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:31,960
Speaker 2: that swacker on. You got to go back in there

1115
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: with that confidence. And I was like, Okay, the room

1116
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 2: now empty. And I was just like, Robin, I know

1117
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: you're getting to your next spot, but I just want

1118
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 2: you to know how much I appreciate all that you've

1119
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: done and how you serve as such a great role model,

1120
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 2: inspiration and motivation to me. You make me know that

1121
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 2: it's possible. And then I just started crying, like straight up.

1122
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:01,200
Speaker 4: No, no, you saw me crying, oh, like so much, so,

1123
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 4: so much so that Robin Roberts nicknamed me waterfalls because

1124
01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 4: I couldn't stop crying.

1125
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, do you know what this moment was?

1126
01:02:10,320 --> 01:02:15,520
Speaker 3: Like? Wow, it was it was man down situation.

1127
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 2: And she was like she just felt sorry for me,

1128
01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 2: and so she just hugged me, old heart, and I

1129
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:24,840
Speaker 2: was like, can I just you know, I would just

1130
01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,680
Speaker 2: love your your eyes and ears on some of my

1131
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:30,800
Speaker 2: work and if you know, you would, you know, provide

1132
01:02:30,800 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: some mentorship and she said absolutely, so gracious, so gracious

1133
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 2: of doing so sent her my real She called me

1134
01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:44,720
Speaker 2: back and like told me what she liked about it,

1135
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 2: like specifically, like she had paid attention to it, and

1136
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 2: I saved the voicemail obviously forever, like those those are moments,

1137
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,560
Speaker 2: that's a moment rather that I will like never ever

1138
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:03,200
Speaker 2: ever forgive. And so she continued to keep just track.

1139
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: I would always send her an email, always catching her up.

1140
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:08,360
Speaker 2: When I was in New York, we were at Good

1141
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: Morning America. I went with my mom and my sister.

1142
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: She took the time once again to meet with me,

1143
01:03:13,960 --> 01:03:15,920
Speaker 2: and then I was like, yo, I'm getting married, Like

1144
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:18,960
Speaker 2: will you drop a cool little video from my husband

1145
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,120
Speaker 2: and I and introduce us for our reception? And she

1146
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 2: did it from the desk and like it was okay.

1147
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:31,120
Speaker 2: You'll never see me get more giddy and excited about

1148
01:03:31,120 --> 01:03:35,760
Speaker 2: anybody in this business or probably in life than Robert Roberts.

1149
01:03:35,840 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 2: I just I just think the absolute world of her,

1150
01:03:40,120 --> 01:03:46,360
Speaker 2: her strength, her courage, her example, just mean everything, just

1151
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,200
Speaker 2: mean everything to me, and I sincerely love and appreciate

1152
01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: her for that because a lot of people get in

1153
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:54,880
Speaker 2: positions and they have a lot of things that pulled

1154
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 2: them away. But she took the time. She took the

1155
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:04,600
Speaker 2: time to see me right, and that helped to affirm me,

1156
01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: to let me know that I could do it, like

1157
01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:13,919
Speaker 2: it's possible. Oh my god, you don't make me sit

1158
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,000
Speaker 2: here and start now I'm feeling.

1159
01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:19,760
Speaker 3: Now, I'm feeling bad. I was like, damn, I do

1160
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 3: all that.

1161
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 1: When I met Robert Roberts, I did the same thing.

1162
01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:25,439
Speaker 1: I was just like, you mean a lot, blah blah

1163
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. I'm sure something unintelligible, and I have

1164
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:31,400
Speaker 1: I believe I have a photo with her and Steward Scott.

1165
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,560
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, so, but yes, those moments and even

1166
01:04:36,600 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: though I'm I'm not gonna miss sometimes I'm not perfect

1167
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: at it. But like when younger journalists, especially younger women,

1168
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: specially younger Black women, when they come up to me,

1169
01:04:44,120 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: when they reach out to me, I truly, sincerely try

1170
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 1: to take the time because I know what that's like

1171
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 1: to be on the other side of that conversation.

1172
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 2: You know.

1173
01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: It reminded me like first time I met Pam oliver Man,

1174
01:04:58,520 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: you're at your family, you fellow graduate.

1175
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:02,720
Speaker 3: It was in Tambora.

1176
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 1: I was covering the Bucks game and I was still

1177
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:07,920
Speaker 1: with the Sentinel and I saw on the sideline, and

1178
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,280
Speaker 1: I just I didn't have the words, Like I couldn't

1179
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 1: even say what I wanted to say because you know,

1180
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,480
Speaker 1: I'm sure again it came out unintelligible. But I think

1181
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 1: the world of Pam Oliver, like she is an oh

1182
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:25,360
Speaker 1: G certified in this game. But I love having those moments,

1183
01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:28,000
Speaker 1: even if I'm at a loss for words. When I

1184
01:05:28,040 --> 01:05:31,000
Speaker 1: met Jane Kennedy at the Essens Black Women in Hollywood Branch,

1185
01:05:31,040 --> 01:05:34,360
Speaker 1: I was like, Jane, let me tell you ten tooks down.

1186
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,240
Speaker 3: Jane, I'm ten toes down for you.

1187
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 1: So it's important that these women that have been the

1188
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:44,280
Speaker 1: pioneers and our north star in this career, that we

1189
01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 1: celebrate them, let them know now like hey, I wouldn't

1190
01:05:47,960 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 1: be in this spot like if I didn't see you

1191
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,919
Speaker 1: or it gave me the fuel to know that this

1192
01:05:53,520 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: part was actually possible. So I think that's a beautiful

1193
01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 1: moment that you had with Robin Roberts.

1194
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:01,880
Speaker 2: I want to add to that because I'm a firm

1195
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 2: believer just like you, Jamel, that you say what you

1196
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:10,080
Speaker 2: mean when you can right. And we were in Orlando

1197
01:06:10,200 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 2: together at the same time, and your career was skyrocketing,

1198
01:06:14,320 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 2: but we had an opportunity to still get together and

1199
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 2: we're not far off in age. But what you mean

1200
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 2: and what you've been able to do, I'm thankful that

1201
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:28,360
Speaker 2: I get to know you. I'm thankful that you take

1202
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 2: the time to help me right, and you have helped

1203
01:06:32,120 --> 01:06:35,360
Speaker 2: me throughout my career, even if it's just a what's

1204
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 2: up or keep it up, or I see you and

1205
01:06:41,160 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: introducing me to some important people along the way advocating

1206
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,520
Speaker 2: for me. I was at a workshop this summer and

1207
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:53,680
Speaker 2: then we're talking about the importance of lifting each other up,

1208
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:56,600
Speaker 2: and I use your example of how you lifted me

1209
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:59,760
Speaker 2: up and you advocated for me when I was calling

1210
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:05,880
Speaker 2: games at ESPN but wanted to do college football on

1211
01:07:05,920 --> 01:07:09,400
Speaker 2: a more permanent basis, and you went into the office

1212
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 2: of the CP at the time and you said, head place,

1213
01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 2: ye shout out, yeah, yeah, we love it, Yes, we

1214
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,880
Speaker 2: love it. And you went in and said, you know,

1215
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: Tiffany deserves an opportunity or give her a look, like

1216
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 2: give her a chance on this for college sideline reporting

1217
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 2: on greater games too, right and on the play by

1218
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 2: play space like you did that. And had it not

1219
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:41,200
Speaker 2: been for your voice and for your advocacy, I don't

1220
01:07:41,240 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 2: know if we're talking about whatever you were saying earlier,

1221
01:07:43,880 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 2: about any kind of history making, you know what I'm saying, Like,

1222
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:50,640
Speaker 2: So it's moments like that where I don't forget and

1223
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:53,320
Speaker 2: it's not lost on me throughout my career about people

1224
01:07:53,400 --> 01:07:55,680
Speaker 2: who have been just phenomenal. And I have to say

1225
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:57,760
Speaker 2: too that there have been a lot of people that

1226
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 2: have lifted me up, who have mentored me. There are

1227
01:08:00,600 --> 01:08:03,920
Speaker 2: a lot of men like David Aldris and Foraretta Like,

1228
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 2: they've been really great guys in the process, Jay Harris,

1229
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,920
Speaker 2: They've they've been some really solid dudes. But the women

1230
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,720
Speaker 2: and the way that we have been kind of climbing together,

1231
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:17,840
Speaker 2: fighting together, and again the north Stars of Pam and

1232
01:08:17,920 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 2: Jane and Robin, it's been phenomenal because you can hear

1233
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 2: a lot of dialogue or narrative around women or Black

1234
01:08:27,880 --> 01:08:31,439
Speaker 2: women specifically, and how we're getting along. Everybody has been

1235
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:34,519
Speaker 2: like such a wonderful sister Like, Yeah, it's a competitive field,

1236
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:38,080
Speaker 2: is right, and we're and we're all trying to ascend

1237
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 2: to whatever level it is that we want to get to.

1238
01:08:40,920 --> 01:08:47,280
Speaker 2: But it's been an amazing sisterhood. And those allies too

1239
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:49,320
Speaker 2: in the process as well.

1240
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,879
Speaker 1: I think they're I mean, yeah, you're gonna run against

1241
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: some negativity and people you may not fool with. But

1242
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 1: I think overwhelmingly, I would say in my career it's

1243
01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 1: been more people who have helped me then more people

1244
01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: who have sitt in my way in terms of like

1245
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:09,160
Speaker 1: other black women, other allies, like amongst our community of broadcasters.

1246
01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 3: I would say that was one thousand percent the case.

1247
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: All Right, we come up on the last question, which

1248
01:09:13,960 --> 01:09:17,200
Speaker 1: I call the messy question of the podcast tip. This

1249
01:09:17,240 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: is where we make headlines, this is where we wind

1250
01:09:19,080 --> 01:09:19,800
Speaker 1: up on the shape room.

1251
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 3: This is how it goes, all right, So here's the

1252
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:26,880
Speaker 3: messy question upfront. This is the asterisk.

1253
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 1: You cannot include your school, all right. You cannot include FAM.

1254
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:35,120
Speaker 3: You give me the top five black college marching bands.

1255
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 3: Who are they top five? And you cannot say FAM

1256
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:40,000
Speaker 3: you in the top five?

1257
01:09:41,439 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 2: Well, because we know they're number one in everybody's hearts

1258
01:09:44,000 --> 01:09:46,639
Speaker 2: and minds. One time for the march in one hundred,

1259
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:52,480
Speaker 2: forever and always. I will go with Southern Human Jukebox

1260
01:09:54,040 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 2: Jackson State Sonic Boom of the South Florida Memorial. I

1261
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 2: can't think of their band name right now. I'm sorry.

1262
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 2: Before the memorial. Uh oh, this is where it gets icy.

1263
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:12,960
Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm. Okay, Jamel, I'm gonna hit you with these

1264
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:14,760
Speaker 2: last two and I'm I'm gonna hit it and quit it.

1265
01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 2: Trojan Explosion, I hate to say it. North Carolina anti March.

1266
01:10:30,920 --> 01:10:35,760
Speaker 3: That wasn't Yes it was.

1267
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go back and distact my list and be like, wait, bite,

1268
01:10:38,479 --> 01:10:40,439
Speaker 2: did I do it right? And you know everybody's gonna

1269
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:42,719
Speaker 2: be like, wait a minute, you didn't pick our band.

1270
01:10:44,040 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 3: You're living this and saying.

1271
01:10:45,680 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 2: Please, don't please, this is please.

1272
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 1: I'm watching black college marching bands. It's gonna be real

1273
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: on the road.

1274
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:53,760
Speaker 3: I just want you to.

1275
01:10:53,840 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 2: Know I'm done. I'm going into Hobbard.

1276
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:59,080
Speaker 1: That's right, going into harbor Nation. Well, Tiff, thank you

1277
01:10:59,160 --> 01:11:01,479
Speaker 1: so much for joining me for this episode. This has

1278
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:04,719
Speaker 1: been truly a treat your career, just watching it from afar,

1279
01:11:04,840 --> 01:11:09,240
Speaker 1: seeing how you blossomed and knowing that as accomplished as

1280
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: you already are, you are just scratching the surfaces.

1281
01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:14,720
Speaker 3: Like I fully expect you will be that.

1282
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: NFL voice, you will be that NBA voice, you will

1283
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 1: be that Olympic voice. We're gonna put that out there

1284
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 1: that's gonna be the affirmation. We're gonna put that in

1285
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 1: the universe. We're gonna let God handle it. Yeah, because

1286
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:27,120
Speaker 1: I think this is something that is very much in

1287
01:11:27,160 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: your future. So thank you for being the sister you are,

1288
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 1: being the professional you are, and for representing all of

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Speaker 1: us with just a level of excellence and class that

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Speaker 1: is so befitting of the way you are raised in

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Speaker 1: the character that you have. So thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for joining.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm honored.

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Speaker 3: One more segment to go, and you guys know what

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Speaker 3: that means.

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Speaker 1: I got questions to answer up next, your viewer slash

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Speaker 1: listener questions, and I have plenty of answers coming up

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Speaker 1: next on the final segment of Spolatives.

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Speaker 3: All right, y'all know.

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Speaker 1: What time it is time for me to answer your

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Speaker 1: questions now. This week's question comes from Keith Swingle, who

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Speaker 1: sent me his question via email. Way to use that

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Speaker 1: politics email address, Keith, so Keith writes, good morning, Thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, first of all, for the last decade

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Speaker 1: plus of content. I'm an English teacher and a big

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Speaker 1: fan and have cited your work to my students since

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Speaker 1: I started my position thirteen years ago. Shout out to

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Speaker 1: the English teachers. By the way, I've got an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to start a high school elective and I was considering

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Speaker 1: a spin on one I took in high school sports literature.

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Speaker 1: My question is what pieces of sports journalism do you

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Speaker 1: look at as a particularly impactful for you in your

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Speaker 1: career as a sports journalist or perhaps as a sports fan,

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Speaker 1: always a fan, Keith swingt Okay Keith. A few weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: a fellow's politician asked me to name my all time

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Speaker 1: Detroit Pistons, starting five. I said that was my favorite

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Speaker 1: question in the history of this podcast. Well it is

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Speaker 1: just a week later and now it's a new leader

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Speaker 1: in the clubhouse. It's this question. I absolutely love talking

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Speaker 1: about books. I'm a lifelong reader, as you can see

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Speaker 1: because I'm a lifelong learner. Hard to have one without

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Speaker 1: the other. So here are my suggestions for your class.

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Speaker 1: One forty Million Dollar Slaves by Bill Roten. This is

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Speaker 1: an excellent book, excellent historical perspective about black athletes, about

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Speaker 1: a lot of reasons why in certain sports we don't

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Speaker 1: see more black athletes, and about how basically ownership in

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Speaker 1: sports the impact that it had when it came to

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Speaker 1: integration and a whole bunch of other great historical nuggets

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Speaker 1: in this book.

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Speaker 3: I love this book.

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Speaker 1: Another one that I am currently reading that would be

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Speaker 1: this one by Mere and Fader is called Dream about

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Speaker 1: the life and Legacy of Hakeem alachawin great book. Hakim

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Speaker 1: Olajuan is my favorite center of all time, so I

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Speaker 1: had a vested interest in this one.

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Speaker 3: All right, here's another one.

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Speaker 1: It's called Classic Wiley, A Lifetime of Punters, players, punks

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Speaker 1: and profits. Ralph Wiley is one of the best to

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Speaker 1: ever do it in our business.

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Speaker 3: God bless his soul.

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Speaker 1: An amazing writer who wrote often about a convergence or

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Speaker 1: the relationship between sports and race.

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Speaker 3: He is amazing.

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Speaker 1: And of course, Dad, of course I'm gonna say my book,

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Speaker 1: my memoir Uphill, which is available wherever books are sold,

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Speaker 1: And of course I tell my personal journey how I

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Speaker 1: got started in sports by time at ESPN, And there's

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Speaker 1: a whole lot in here about sort of the way

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Speaker 1: that I grew up and how that shaped me into

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Speaker 1: the person I am. So I would definitely say that. Now,

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Speaker 1: let me add, and I don't have this book in

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Speaker 1: front of me here in my office library, but I'd

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Speaker 1: also add a book by Gary Smith, who I considered

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Speaker 1: to be one of the best sports writers to ever

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Speaker 1: do it. It's a collection of his stories. It's really

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Speaker 1: quite amazing. And if you want to look at detailed

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Speaker 1: journalism and detailed prof files of some of the stories

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Speaker 1: that we know in sports, and also a lot of

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Speaker 1: unknown sports figures, I would suggest looking at the compilation

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Speaker 1: of Gary Smith's best stories when he wrote for Sports Illustrated.

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Speaker 1: So I think that's a very important book for you

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Speaker 1: to have. Also look at Dave Kendrick wrote a book

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Speaker 1: about Muhammad Ali that I think might have one of

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Speaker 1: the best opening lines in any book that I've ever read.

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Speaker 1: So lots of good material, lots of great authors. I'm

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Speaker 1: a static that you're doing this kind of class. You know,

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Speaker 1: one thing that I think is important for people in sports,

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Speaker 1: especially if they're playing sports careers, to have like good

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Speaker 1: historical institutional knowledge. So these books ought to help with

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Speaker 1: that for sure. And then just also if you have

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Speaker 1: a love of writing and our interest in things, they

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Speaker 1: will definitely help you.

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Speaker 3: So thank you, Keith. I really appreciate your question.

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Speaker 1: Now, as for the rest of you, if you have

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Speaker 1: a question for me, you can hit me up on

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Speaker 1: social media or email. I'm at Jamel Hill across all

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Speaker 1: social media platforms Twitter, Instagram, fan base, Blue Sky, and threads.

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Speaker 3: Please use the hands tax politics.

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Speaker 1: You also have the option of emailing me just like

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Speaker 1: he did as Politics twenty twenty four at gmail dot com.

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