1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 2: Single best idea, what a couple of days has spend. 3 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: We going to CPI tomorrow in the retail sales conbo 4 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: at eight thirty. We'll have all our covers there. Michael 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 2: McKee leading our coverage for all of Bloomberg Media. But 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: just already an eventful week. I mean a market that's 7 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: not doing anything. You look at the screen and the 8 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: vix is like thirteen whatever, and you can first glance 9 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: at the Bloomberg launch pad and you're like, I can 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 2: take off the month, and then you look at some 11 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,000 Speaker 2: of the nuances out there. I'll give you two nuances 12 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 2: right now. One is this dash to utilities because AI 13 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 2: is going to need all sorts of new electricity, and 14 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 2: the fact is utilities have done a moonshot. We'll get 15 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 2: the copper in a moment. And the other is what's 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:02,120 Speaker 2: going on in the Pacific Rim And just quietly early 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: this morning, euro yen showed weekend strong euro and I'm 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,360 Speaker 2: sorry they got to go into the Japanese evening and 19 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: discuss this. We'll have all of that across our Asia coverage. 20 00:01:13,959 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 2: Von Mann leading so much of that effort and Steve 21 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: Engel with his great reporting. But look for that based 22 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:24,479 Speaker 2: on of Hong Kong, but also out of Japan as well. 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: I'm really watching euro Yen for a third Japanese intervention. 24 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,760 Speaker 2: There's always a good intervention when Jeffrey Curry shows up. 25 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:35,480 Speaker 2: He taught for years at his University of Chicago. The 26 00:01:35,560 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: great segment here for the longer podcast of the microeconomics 27 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 2: of oil, the shift that we're seeing in copper. But 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 2: here is Jeff Curry on copper in the new sustained rally, 29 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:51,560 Speaker 2: the higher price of copper. 30 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 3: AI's you know, chips and copper. You need the chips, 31 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: but then you need the electrical wiring to be able 32 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 3: to power those chips. And one of those chips, the 33 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 3: video chips GPUs, consume as much power as the average 34 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 3: American household. So you're going to need a lot of 35 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: grid connection to be able to accommodate that type of growth. 36 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 3: And you know what is the bottleneck for that, It's copper. 37 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:17,440 Speaker 3: So all roads lead to copper, whether if it's military, spen, AI, 38 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,480 Speaker 3: data centers, Green Capex, they all point to copper. 39 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 2: Jeff Curry, of course, iconic at Golden Sex now holding 40 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 2: court at Carlisle groups as well. On the equity market, 41 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 2: some spirited discussion today, just no other way to put it, 42 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:36,240 Speaker 2: a real debate about valuation, about the wall of money 43 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: that's out there comfortable with five percent money market fund. 44 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: Somebody on the live chat on YouTube said, hey, I 45 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 2: got a six month CD five point three five percent. 46 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: That gets your attention, But you look back at the 47 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 2: challenges the markets had, and Julian Ommanuel, working at Evercore ISI, 48 00:02:52,880 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 2: would make clear these are valuation dynamics. The simplicity route, 49 00:02:57,680 --> 00:02:59,640 Speaker 2: the one I do not recommend, is to look at 50 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: price is compared to earnings, and you get some form 51 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 2: of valuation. When you look at price as compared to earnings, 52 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,239 Speaker 2: I would look much more at least drag cash flow 53 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 2: into it, that cash after capex, and of course with 54 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 2: the fancy stocks the Magnificent seven, there's some real capex 55 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 2: dynamics right now, or I'd really look at return on 56 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: an invested capital. But anyways, the valuation phrase always within 57 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: the media comes back to pe Julian Emmanuel of Evercore ISI. 58 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: The entire down draft in twenty twenty two and really 59 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 1: the other side in twenty twenty three, it was very 60 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: valuation driven. Okay, we understand that the earnings have migrated 61 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: towards for the most part, that's select seven, but at 62 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: the index level, the earnings have stayed roughly the same. 63 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: The thing about twenty twenty four which convinces us that 64 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:57,680 Speaker 1: even though we think you have a correction in front 65 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: of you, is that the bullmarket has further legs. Is 66 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: you're actually going to see earnings growth for the first 67 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,240 Speaker 1: time in two years. The surprises were much larger than 68 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: expected because revisions went down prior to the start of 69 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: the quarter. There isn't really an explanation other than perhaps 70 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: the message of what was a subpart GDP first quarter. 71 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: But you're basically on track five and a half maybe 72 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:26,679 Speaker 1: six percent earnings growth, and from our view, that's good. 73 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,120 Speaker 1: We expect roughly that rate of growth throughout the year. 74 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: But the problem for the markets is the market expects 75 00:04:34,080 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: that number to be upwards of ten percent. 76 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,960 Speaker 2: Julian Emmanuel evercore Isi and I do want to make 77 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 2: note Gina Martin Adams of Bloomberg Intelligence has been way 78 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: out front with the earnings and revenue surprises that we've seen. 79 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 2: I should point out home Depot showing up today with 80 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 2: a pretty tepid, I'm sorry, seven point four percent mortgage 81 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: influenced earnings report. 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