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Speaker 1: Our Way with yours truly Paul Anka and my buddy

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Speaker 1: Skip Bronson, is a production of iHeartRadio. Hi, folks, this

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Speaker 1: is Paul Anka.

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Speaker 2: And my name is Skip Bronson.

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Speaker 3: We've been friends for decades and we've decided to let

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Speaker 3: you in on our late night phone calls by starting

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Speaker 3: a new podcast.

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Speaker 1: And welcome to Our Way. We'd like you to meet

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Speaker 1: some real good friends of ours.

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Speaker 2: You're leaders in entertainment and.

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Speaker 1: Sports, innovators in business and technology, and even as sitting

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Speaker 1: president or two.

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Speaker 3: Join us as we ask the questions they've not been

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Speaker 3: asked before, Tell it like it is, and even sing

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Speaker 3: a song or two.

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Speaker 1: This is our podcast and we'll be doing it our way.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: We did a doc on the downfall of Diddy on TV. Look,

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Speaker 5: there's a grand jury right now that has convened and

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Speaker 5: they're looking at sex trafficking among other things. They are

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Speaker 5: bringing some of these alleged victims in and it is

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Speaker 5: not hard for prosecutors to get an indictment, So I think,

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Speaker 5: you know, I would be stunned if he's not indicted.

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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back from your latest tour. I still can't

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Speaker 3: get over seven cities shows in seven cities in ten days.

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Speaker 3: I mean, that's it's not like Adele in Vegas, where

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: However, many days a week you traveled all over in

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Speaker 3: the Northeast and into Canada over a period. At ten days,

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Speaker 3: seven shows, everyone was sold out. I mean, I thought

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Speaker 3: you'd be exhausted, but for whatever reason, you're not.

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Speaker 1: No, I've been doing it for so long. I think

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Speaker 1: once that button's pressed, you do it. Kind of take

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Speaker 1: care of yourself. And I was living out of one place,

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Speaker 1: it is, and yeah, and the system is there for me.

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Speaker 1: You know, my guys show up. We got a whole crew.

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Speaker 1: I just show up about thirty minutes before I go

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Speaker 1: on and vocalize and walk on stage. You know, I

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Speaker 1: don't spend time in the theater all day, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: But it was cool. It was just great, you know,

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Speaker 1: a fifteen hour flight and getting back to normalcy if

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Speaker 1: you it was cool. Yeah, I and you know I

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Speaker 1: love a skip. The bands are just me.

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Speaker 3: Know that you get you get energy.

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Speaker 2: You don't lose energy.

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Speaker 3: From that, I know, get it from.

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Speaker 1: How's your bourbon doing good?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we kind of told you we have a new

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Speaker 3: we're just sort of repositioning it right now. You know,

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Speaker 3: That that's how we won all these awards best New

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Speaker 3: Bourbon because the bourbon is incredible. But we then you know,

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Speaker 3: But I was going to say, just going back to

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Speaker 3: They're looking at a stage with that banner that says,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Our Way podcast, Our Way with Paul

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Speaker 3: Ankin Skip Bronson. That's getting burned right in, burned right

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Speaker 1: Well, we had thousands of people watching this last tour,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right right at the TMZ studio. And I know

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Speaker 3: And you know, he's only done one podcast. That was

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Speaker 3: cool that because of your friendship with him, we were

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Speaker 1: He's very smart and he really knows his stuff, and

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Speaker 1: it's going to be very unique, I think, Skip. I

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Speaker 1: and I'm sure it's gonna be really well appointed.

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure how you talked him into doing this,

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Speaker 1: The history and I hope we can get him to

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Speaker 1: And I recorded him with My Way, you know, which

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Speaker 2: Oh, that'd be fun.

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Speaker 3: That would bet with you, that'd be great.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, something to look forward to him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, all right.

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Speaker 7: Well I'm gonna turn in and uh, I'm going to

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Speaker 7: watch the hockey game. Go Florida, Go Florida, Go Florida.

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Speaker 7: And then I'm gonna finally get some sleep, get ready

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Speaker 3: Look. Thanks. So, one of the obvious questions getting started,

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Speaker 5: TMZ stands for thirty mile Zone, which is so funny.

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Speaker 5: But there were people at Warner Brothers who were saying

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Speaker 4: And so it was a big, long fight, but ultimately.

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Speaker 4: When you get it right, you just get it up.

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Speaker 1: Now everybody's emulating you or trying.

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Speaker 4: So what I want to know is.

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Speaker 5: Paul Anka was able to score something big when he

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Speaker 4: It was OJ Simpson going back to the scene of

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Speaker 5: Wow, and by dumb luck, I'm the guy that just

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Speaker 1: You were so invested in that obviously, was it two people?

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Speaker 2: So tell me we think of this.

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Speaker 1: Sure?

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Speaker 2: He's no longer with us. Howard Weitzman.

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Speaker 4: Howard was a very good friend of mine and he.

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Speaker 2: He said, skip. They framed a guilty man. You feel

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Speaker 4: How would they frame the guilty Well, because.

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Speaker 4: What they ridiculous. It was ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: Johnny was Johnny was one of the He's the best

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Speaker 5: You know what really happened with Howard because one of

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Speaker 4: That's why Howard left.

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Speaker 4: But Johnny was yeah.

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Speaker 5: I mean look, Johnny was a friend as well, and

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Speaker 5: we had disagreements for over this case. I was, I

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Speaker 5: don't know, I mean look, I saw this coming like

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Speaker 5: guy in Santa Monica, which is where he lived. That

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Speaker 4: Which was deadly, deadly. That was why he was acquitted.

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Speaker 1: Love, Love don't fit. You must have quit. That was

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Speaker 5: And who gives an actor a glove to pretend like

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Speaker 4: But that glove was not planted.

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Speaker 3: But here's what's unbelievable. You you in the right in

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Speaker 5: No, I was actually a high school student still, but

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Speaker 4: I just loved him.

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Speaker 5: I went to the Ambassador and I actually ended up

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Speaker 5: I don't even remember why, but Ethel Kennedy was there.

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Speaker 4: It was horrible.

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Speaker 1: Never forget that, No, never ever. No, It's like Kennedy,

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Speaker 1: It's like his brother. I was in Poland getting ready

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Speaker 1: What do you mean we're over huddled around this little

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: You know, I lived through the Bobby thing with Bobby Darren.

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Speaker 4: How he addressed that crowd.

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Speaker 1: I saw the emergence of it even in Vegas when

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Speaker 4: Did you did you know Marilyn Monroe back then?

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Speaker 1: I can't profess to Nora well, but I saw her

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Speaker 1: No, we all heard what was going on, right because

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Speaker 1: But I saw everything going on. You heard all the stuff.

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Speaker 1: Oh she she was molmost Yeah, you know, they take

444
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Speaker 1: her to Washington and there's a door over there. It's

445
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Speaker 1: called the back door. It exists today where they'd bring

446
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Speaker 1: everybody into this back door into the White House. But

447
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Speaker 1: Excener was he squeeze FORFK?

448
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Speaker 2: So on the Kennedy topic. Do you know Bobby Jr.

449
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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 5: As a matter of fact, we had him on our

451
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Speaker 5: We had him on our show four or five days ago.

452
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Speaker 4: He's an interesting guy.

453
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Speaker 5: Yeah, there are obviously things I don't agree with, but

454
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Speaker 5: you know, he also he was an environmental lawyer for

455
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Speaker 5: a long time.

456
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Speaker 4: He's a complicated guy. Personally. I really like him.

457
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Speaker 5: And you know, some of the things that I like

458
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Speaker 5: about him is that I love that he challenges people.

459
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Speaker 5: And you know, I don't agree with all of his views,

460
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Speaker 5: but just the fact that somebody can stand up these

461
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Speaker 5: days and challenge things. It's why I love Bill Maher

462
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 5: so much, is that, you know, Bill Maher is not

463
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 5: afraid to challenge all sides. And everybody is so scared

464
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,719
Speaker 5: to talk these days, and so scared to express any

465
00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:31,119
Speaker 5: point of view because right now, you say anything, and

466
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 5: half the country's gonna hate you, right And Bill doesn't care.

467
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Speaker 5: And I don't think Bobby cares that much either. I

468
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,479
Speaker 5: think he's saying what he believes. And I don't think

469
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Speaker 5: you need to agree with everything somebody says, but the

470
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Speaker 5: fact that they're strong enough to say it in this culture,

471
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Speaker 5: I think really means something.

472
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Speaker 1: And then Bill Burr, Yeah, I mean Bill's a variation

473
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Speaker 1: of that too. I love Bill Burr. He just tells

474
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Speaker 1: it like it.

475
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Speaker 5: Is, Yeah, And people are afraid to do that now.

476
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Speaker 5: They're just you know when you look at you know,

477
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 5: look at.

478
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Speaker 4: Diddy that you know, I want to talk to you

479
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 4: about that, and we will.

480
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Speaker 5: But I mean, you know, it's interesting how silent Hollywood

481
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 5: has been about that, you know, given that people will

482
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,680
Speaker 5: jump on other things that are not nearly as momentous

483
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 5: as what we now see, but for some reason, they're

484
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 5: really silent on that.

485
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Speaker 4: People are just running scared in life.

486
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Speaker 5: And that's one of the things I've seen in this

487
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Speaker 5: job is that it's just amazing that people are afraid

488
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Speaker 5: to take any stand.

489
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Speaker 4: So people who take a stand.

490
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Speaker 5: You've got to respect that part of it, even if

491
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Speaker 5: you disagree with their votes.

492
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Speaker 1: Telling Skiff might take on it all today, I said,

493
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Speaker 1: you know, it's become unlike something I've never.

494
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Speaker 4: Seen, right, Oh, it is so tribal.

495
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Speaker 1: It is tribal. And if people just embrace and understand

496
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Speaker 1: that it is tribal.

497
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Speaker 5: Well, and the other thing too is and this is

498
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Speaker 5: to me so incredibly unhealthy that that people have just

499
00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:01,879
Speaker 5: sunk into their own little silos. And so if you

500
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Speaker 5: are a liberal Democrat, you only watch MSNBC. You know,

501
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:10,199
Speaker 5: maybe CNN, but you and if you're a you know,

502
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:14,400
Speaker 5: magar Or's conservative Republican Republican, you watch Fox. And if

503
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 5: anybody has ever watched both, you know, within the same

504
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 5: hour or back to back an hour each. It's two

505
00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 5: completely different views of the universe. And you know, neither

506
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 5: is telling the full story, neither is painting a real picture.

507
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 5: I mean, they're advocates, but that's not the way we

508
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Speaker 5: should be consuming news.

509
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Speaker 4: And that's the way people are consuming news now.

510
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Speaker 5: It's through advocacy, and I think that is one of

511
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Speaker 5: the reasons people just hate each other, why it's become

512
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 5: so tribal, because you have a situation now where you know,

513
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:56,679
Speaker 5: if you are in this camp, this camp is crazy

514
00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 5: and evil because all you've gotten is information and making

515
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 5: that case and vice versa. Yeah, and I just think

516
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 5: that's so dangerous and it's so damaged our country.

517
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Speaker 1: And the heart of it for me is those people

518
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Speaker 1: out there that are looking at it, they don't take

519
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Speaker 1: time to get to the source what it really is.

520
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Speaker 4: I think that's really true.

521
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Speaker 1: They're not doing their homework to get to the source.

522
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Speaker 4: They don't want to. I don't think they want to.

523
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Speaker 5: It's easy, it's easy to listen to allies. It's harder

524
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Speaker 5: to listen to people with whom you disagree.

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Speaker 3: So James carp is a very good friend of mine.

526
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Speaker 3: He's been in town this week. We had dinner together,

527
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Speaker 3: and he has very strong opinions on you know, and Bien.

528
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Speaker 3: I mean, he's a Democrat obviously, but he's worried. And

529
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Speaker 3: somebody there was at a dinner I brought him to

530
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Speaker 3: a dinner party and somebody asked them, well, why don't

531
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Speaker 3: they want to Why don't they listen to you? Because

532
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 3: they don't want to hear anything that does not comport

533
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 3: with what their belief is.

534
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,360
Speaker 2: Like, they believe that Biden is the guy. They don't

535
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Speaker 2: want to hear anybody tell him. You don't be there.

536
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,920
Speaker 2: We got to pivot and go to somebody else. That's

537
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 2: a big part of the problem too.

538
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Speaker 5: People just don't he James Carvell on one of the

539
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 5: cables not too long ago and made that he made

540
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Speaker 5: that point and they literally let him go and then

541
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Speaker 5: dismissed him as a kook. And look, it's a discussion

542
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 5: worth having that if you're a Democrat and you want

543
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,119
Speaker 5: to win, this is a discussion worth having.

544
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Speaker 4: But you're not allowed to have the discussion.

545
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Speaker 3: But you know what, he made it an interesting point.

546
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Speaker 3: He said, the Democrats have a deep bench, you know,

547
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Speaker 3: Governor Basher, the governor of Shapiro in Pennsylvania. Wretch and

548
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 3: Whittmer somewhat arguet Gavin Nuss, Well, I mean, you know, so,

549
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: I mean there's a deep bench. It's not like, oh, well,

550
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: we have to do this because we don't have anybody else.

551
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: There are plenty of other people that you know, that

552
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Speaker 3: could effectively run.

553
00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 2: But it's a scary time right now.

554
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Speaker 4: And like you know, Bill Mars says.

555
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Speaker 5: Bill Mars raised that same thing and said, look, he said,

556
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 5: I'm I'm going to vote for Biden, but he is

557
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 5: deeply worried that this is going Look what I'm wondering about,

558
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:15,600
Speaker 5: and it's funny you mentioned Robert Kennedy, is whether we're

559
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Speaker 5: going to have a replay of nineteen sixty eight at

560
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Speaker 5: the Democratic.

561
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Speaker 4: Convention in Chicago.

562
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Speaker 5: And that cost Democrats the election in sixty eight, and

563
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Speaker 5: I think Chicago is the backdrop now for something similar

564
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Speaker 5: that you're going to see protests in the street, You're

565
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Speaker 5: going to see protests inside the convention.

566
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Speaker 4: Things could get out of hand.

567
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 5: It feels like this is going to happen, and that

568
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 5: cost the Democrats the presidency in nineteen sixty eight.

569
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Speaker 1: Very well, be right, Let's see how it plays out

570
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 1: the circus. Let's see if it even is going to

571
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: be Biden.

572
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Speaker 5: You know, it's funny there are people that have kind

573
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Speaker 5: of raised that at this point, I don't see how

574
00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 5: that shifts at this point.

575
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Speaker 4: I just don't see how that.

576
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: The whole protest thing is so different now. Freedom of

577
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: speech is one thing, but building encampments and you know,

578
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: trying to take over buildings at colleges. You know, it's gotten,

579
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 3: it's gotten so ugly right now. It's just there's more anger.

580
00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 3: Peggy Noonan wrote in Trust in Common. I don't know

581
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: if you read Peggy Noonon, but last week were she

582
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 3: talked about the hatred that everybody has for everybody.

583
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Speaker 2: It's not a good not a good place that we're

584
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Speaker 2: in right now.

585
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

586
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 5: I mean, look, when when I was in college that

587
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 5: was right in the middle of the Vietnam protests, and

588
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 5: there were buildings that were taken over there, and you

589
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 5: know this was also where the students were the ones

590
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 5: who had there were direct consequences because they're the ones

591
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 5: getting drafted.

592
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Speaker 4: I kind of have a different view of this that look.

593
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Speaker 5: I mean, I have a lot of emotion about what's

594
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 5: going on in Palestine right now because it's just beyond

595
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Speaker 5: heartbreaking to see the devastation in Gaza and you know,

596
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 5: thirty thousand Palestinians killed, you know, and yet when people

597
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 5: are protesting that, I get it. But when people are

598
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Speaker 5: embracing essentially exterminate the Jews, which a lot which there

599
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 5: is a contingent doing that there, and those people are

600
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Speaker 5: getting embraced that a professor I believe at Cornell talked

601
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Speaker 5: about October seventh, is exhilarating.

602
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Speaker 4: It's like what has happened? You know?

603
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Speaker 1: Sick?

604
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:39,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, very sick.

605
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Speaker 1: Not a good commentary about this country and leaving Asia

606
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Speaker 1: as I did a few weeks ago, and hearing of

607
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: the periphery and people over there, they are totally laughing

608
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: and disgusted with us. Yeah, that's a new power pocket.

609
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: But let's get let's pivot.

610
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Speaker 2: To a happier point.

611
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Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, what about you for a minute, Yeah, so

612
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Speaker 3: Paul and I laughed. Because Paul's a nocturnal person. I'm

613
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Speaker 3: an early morning person. I thought I was an early

614
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: morning person because I'm up at five.

615
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Speaker 2: In the morning until somethive in the morning. Is somebody

616
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Speaker 2: somebody said to me, we want to hear what you do.

617
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,440
Speaker 2: I said, skip, hold on, he's up at three in

618
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Speaker 2: the morning.

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Speaker 3: I said, it's perfect, I said, because he gets up

620
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Speaker 3: at the time Paul goes.

621
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Speaker 2: To bed, right, So this is the perfect fit.

622
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Speaker 1: No, what's what's your schedule? You get up at two,

623
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Speaker 1: four or five? And I'm looking at folks, I'm looking

624
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Speaker 1: at a body here just stopping.

625
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Speaker 4: No, I tell me it's not great.

626
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, give me because you don't want

627
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Speaker 1: to get up there.

628
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Speaker 4: Who does you do? No, I don't you got an

629
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Speaker 4: empire going here?

630
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Speaker 1: I would do it.

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Speaker 5: No, it's I work on the website for about a

632
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Speaker 5: half hour, and then I work out. I work out

633
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Speaker 5: at home and in the gym, and then I go

634
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Speaker 5: I have a gym at home, and then I go

635
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Speaker 5: to a proper gym, and then I go to a

636
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Speaker 5: different gym and then I swim and I get here

637
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Speaker 5: by six o'clock.

638
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Speaker 1: So and the day ends.

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Speaker 5: The day ends at five thirty six, and then I

640
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 5: go to bed at seven.

641
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Speaker 1: Okay, tell me what your diet is, because you look great.

642
00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: What I'm a funny eater. I mean, I've lived like

643
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: this all my life. I want to hear what you know.

644
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 5: I'm not like crazy when it comes to like counting.

645
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 5: I don't count calories or anything like that. Yeah, I mean, honestly,

646
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 5: the magic for me is swimming. Swimming is such great

647
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 5: exercise with you on that and it new or we

648
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 5: always I've been doing it for twenty years and it

649
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 5: lecks for me at least, it creates a certain thing

650
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Speaker 5: in my metabolism or whatever that makes it easier to

651
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:37,680
Speaker 5: pretty much. I mean, I don't like eat a lot

652
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Speaker 5: of sugar and sweets and things like that. And I'm

653
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Speaker 5: not I'm not crazy when it comes to diet.

654
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a cold plunge guy.

655
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 4: I am a wuss.

656
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,200
Speaker 1: I would do I didn't scan they back in the fifties.

657
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Speaker 4: One time, one time I did it over.

658
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Speaker 3: No, But that's the that's the thing now, right, Yeah,

659
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,480
Speaker 3: I know that dead mind.

660
00:32:58,520 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 4: Let them have it.

661
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: Let them have it.

662
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 4: Exactly.

663
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Speaker 1: And then what we used to do with the guys

664
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Speaker 1: in Vegas and with the mob guys used to take

665
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Speaker 1: a basket, put ice in it, attached the basket with

666
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: the ice to the head of the shower, you stand

667
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: under it, and that was enough.

668
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:18,480
Speaker 4: That was years old.

669
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: That was my cool bats Right, Let's get the ditty, Yeah,

670
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: I mean, I love the first dock.

671
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 3: Right.

672
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 4: We did a doc on the downfall of Ditty on

673
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 4: two B.

674
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: Where do you go from here with?

675
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,000
Speaker 5: Well, look, I mean I look, there's a grand jury

676
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 5: right now that has convened and they're looking at sex

677
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 5: trafficking among other things. They are bringing some of these

678
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 5: alleged victims in and it is not hard for prosecutors

679
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 5: to get an indictment.

680
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 4: It's just not hard.

681
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 5: The defense doesn't have the right to go in and

682
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 5: present in anything, and I'm not sure what they're gonna

683
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 5: they would present at this point. So I think, you know,

684
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 5: I would be stunned if he's not indicted. That's just

685
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 5: you know, if they got a search warrant already to

686
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 5: search warrants, and so getting a search warrant means a

687
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 5: judge has already found there's probable cause he committed a crime.

688
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 5: So now the issue is, well, the grand jury think

689
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 5: there's a reasonable chance of securing a conviction. And you

690
00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 5: know when the prosecutor has already gone to the judge

691
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,280
Speaker 5: and the judge a signed off and they've already seized

692
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,760
Speaker 5: all of his equipment and videos and computers and everything else.

693
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 5: I would be stunned if he's not indicted. I don't know,

694
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 5: but I would be stunned if that doesn't happen at

695
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 5: this point and he's in trouble. And this Cassie video unbelievable,

696
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 5: you know, and there are people, there are people who

697
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 5: have talked about this, but very few. There's a woman

698
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 5: Aubrey O Dat who was in making the band. She

699
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 5: was in Dannity Kane, and she's been talking about this

700
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 5: for years and she's been a lone voice, and people

701
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 5: dismissed her as a kook. And then if you look

702
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 5: at did he you know, these were rumblings were going

703
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 5: on forever. But you go and look at video of

704
00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:09,800
Speaker 5: parties he threw, and every big star in the country

705
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 5: is at these parties, and nobody would listen either. I

706
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 5: don't know that they didn't listen because everybody heard the rumblings.

707
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 5: But you know, Abriode was just one of the few

708
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 5: people who would just speak out about it. And now

709
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 5: that all of this has surfaced, so many people are

710
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 5: we talked about this a minute ago, so many people

711
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 5: are silent, and you got to wonder why are they

712
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 5: so silent? And you know, I think part of it

713
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 5: is nobody knew he had videos that he was taking

714
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 5: of everything. And that doesn't mean people did things that

715
00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 5: were necessarily wrong. But I don't think they want to

716
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 5: be seen in the middle of all of it. And

717
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,839
Speaker 5: so I just find the reaction from Hollywood is kind

718
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 5: of anemic.

719
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 3: But this won't surprise you. We've all seen this before.

720
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 3: So the place where I go for my physical therapy,

721
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: I've had a bunch of surgeries, compliments of Neil Elatroje,

722
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 3: best in the business, best and the best anywhere. And

723
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,480
Speaker 3: I go to a place for physical therapy and I

724
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 3: was in there one day and on the next table

725
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 3: there's Diddy. This is not long ago. This is about

726
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 3: two weeks before he was busted. And I introduced myself.

727
00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 3: I said, Hi, I'm Skip Bronson, and I said we

728
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 3: have a mutual friend, and I mentioned a friend.

729
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 2: The nicest guy in the world, right.

730
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 3: I mean, just the very calm, Really, what what are

731
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 3: you in here for?

732
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 2: You know, what are you working on?

733
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 3: You know home, You've been coming to this place just

734
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,200
Speaker 3: you know, just not like a monster, is what I'm saying.

735
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 1: So, so'sild addage. You meet somebody, you're meeting their representative exactly.

736
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 5: I mean, right, I mean everybody's got different dimensions, but

737
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,080
Speaker 5: what he his different dimension? I mean when you look

738
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 5: at that Cassie video, it is just it's mind blowing.

739
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 2: That's exhibits A, B and C.

740
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's going to be interesting to see whether

741
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 5: you know, it really depends on what they charge him

742
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 5: with whether the judge would allow that in because what

743
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,560
Speaker 5: happens in a trial is every piece of evidence by

744
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:13,600
Speaker 5: definition is prejudicial. You're trying to sway a jury one

745
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 5: way or the other. But at a point, if it

746
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 5: becomes so prejudicial that it outweighs any real value it

747
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 5: has in getting it the truth, a judge won't let

748
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 5: it in. And this is so incendiary, I wonder if

749
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 5: the judge will allow it or not.

750
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 3: But these stories like for you, who are the guests

751
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 3: that are sort of like the gift that keeps on giving,

752
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: Like the people that.

753
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 5: People have asked that it's not that simple. There can

754
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,439
Speaker 5: be somebody who comes out of the blue that nobody knows.

755
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 4: Gypsy wrote Gypsy Rose. You know this.

756
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 5: No Gypsy Rose, You're no, I'm talking no, I'm talking

757
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 5: about Gypsy Rose Blancheford, who is whose boyfriend killed her

758
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 5: mom and she ended up doing prison.

759
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,359
Speaker 4: Well who would think.

760
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 5: But now she's a big celebrity that everybody follows. So

761
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 5: it's not you know, I mean, the Kardashians, you know,

762
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 5: have been around from the beginning.

763
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 2: But Britney spears, right, I mean.

764
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 5: Britney spears. Is is a tragic story.

765
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 3: But it's an annuity, right, I mean, she just keeps

766
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 3: coming and coming.

767
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 5: I you know, I honestly I don't look at her

768
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 5: that way I have. I've only met her once and

769
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 5: there are you know, the free Britney people hate me

770
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:43,479
Speaker 5: because you know, I have said for a long time

771
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 5: that this conservatorship had real value and she probably would

772
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,440
Speaker 5: be dead if there wasn't a conservatorship back in two

773
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 5: thousand and seven. She was in that bad of shape

774
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 5: and I think just the fact the way it ended,

775
00:38:57,320 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that her dad was the right person

776
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 5: to continue it, but she had a structure, and she

777
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 5: was taking her meds and she was solvent, and she

778
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 5: was relatively stable, and I know she was unhappy being

779
00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 5: in it, and that's bad. And maybe by getting a

780
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 5: different conservator that would help. But now she has no structure,

781
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 5: and she is not taking her meds, and she is

782
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 5: in a deep, deep, deep hole just in terms of

783
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 5: her emotional and mental state. And she's isolated and she

784
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 5: doesn't have friends and it is dire, and everybody around

785
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 5: her that we've spoken with has told us the same thing.

786
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 4: And she is in real trouble right now.

787
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 3: It doesn't have friends. But is it fair to say

788
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 3: she has a huge fan base?

789
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, but what does a fan base do when it

790
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:46,080
Speaker 5: comes to taking her meds? What does a fan base

791
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 5: do when it comes to giving her the kind of

792
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 5: real emotional support or a doctor who can help, you know,

793
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 5: those are things that the fans who were saying free Brittany,

794
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 5: Free Brittany never talked about her mental illness. Never heard

795
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 5: a single person that I heard, at least, you know,

796
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 5: talk about the.

797
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,720
Speaker 4: Reason she was in it in the first place.

798
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 5: That she has a really serious mental illness, no fault

799
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 5: of hers, but she has it. And now the question

800
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 5: is what do you do in a situation like that?

801
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 5: And I just feel just personally, I see this happening,

802
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:27,240
Speaker 5: and it's it's really tormenting because I just really fear

803
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 5: something really bad is gonna happen.

804
00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:44,040
Speaker 1: Are you any big will, big whale that you haven't

805
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: really done anything on or that you want to Is

806
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: there somebody out there that you'd really like this?

807
00:40:48,520 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 7: Sitt?

808
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I mean there are a million people

809
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:50,959
Speaker 4: that will let me.

810
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:53,360
Speaker 1: Give me three who you're curious about it?

811
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 5: I'm really you know, I'm really curious about Michelle Obama.

812
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 5: I'm so curious about Michelle Obama, and I'm curious about

813
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:01,959
Speaker 5: it for all sorts of reasons.

814
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 4: I have a friend who went to.

815
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 5: Harvard Law School with her and was just telling me

816
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 5: how remarkable she was. But I just think she has

817
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 5: such an interesting worldview, and I know her husband's worldview,

818
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 5: and I'm into it. But you know, she's a person

819
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 5: who could be president if she wanted to.

820
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 4: I don't think.

821
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: She hates politics.

822
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: You don't think last minute?

823
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 4: No, No, really, she hates it. She hates it.

824
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 5: And you know, I've read her book and I've read

825
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 5: books about her, and I'm fascinated by her.

826
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: And to that point, they have a perfect life. Why

827
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 3: give that up their life right now?

828
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 4: You're going to put in her time?

829
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, they did it, been there, done that.

830
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 5: And you know it was rough for her and you

831
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 5: know when he was in the state legislature, she was

832
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 5: taking care of the kids alone. I mean they talk

833
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 5: about this, you know, in different books, about how difficult

834
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 5: it was for them. So she's really put in her time,

835
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 5: and she had an uneasy time in.

836
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 4: The White House as well.

837
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 5: But I'm just fascinated by her, and I really do

838
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 5: think she could be president if she wasn't.

839
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: I think so listen to these politicians when you look historically,

840
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: they have a needle up their arm. They never quit.

841
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 4: But she's not one. No, But which is one of

842
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,760
Speaker 4: the reasons that fascinating.

843
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I still think she's the long shot. I

844
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: don't know why. I just think somewhere, you know, as

845
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: intelligent as we all sit with intelligent people, to realize

846
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: there's another backstory agenda going on with those in power

847
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 1: that you have no ideas going.

848
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 5: That's true, but she's not. She doesn't have that needle

849
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 5: in her arm. That's what makes her really interesting. She

850
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 5: I mean, think about it that she cares.

851
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:42,720
Speaker 2: She totally cares.

852
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 5: But the idea that all of these people are just

853
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 5: would do anything to become president of the United States.

854
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 4: She could be, but isn't doing it. I find that

855
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 4: really interesting.

856
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:58,280
Speaker 5: And she's from you know, she's in a family where

857
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: politics was kind of a core, yet she wants nothing

858
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,359
Speaker 5: to do with that and she does care.

859
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 4: And I just find that really fascinating.

860
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: Well besides her, Yeah, we else would you like that?

861
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 5: I can't give you like a name where I say

862
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,760
Speaker 5: I'm just dying to there. There aren't that many people honestly,

863
00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,439
Speaker 5: you know, the way I cover things and the way

864
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 5: we cover things at TMZ, you know, we we follow

865
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 5: people over the years, and I you know, when I

866
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,000
Speaker 5: was talking about Robert Kennedy, he was so special because

867
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 5: that's the kind of person that I'm just so drawn to,

868
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 5: you know, But there just aren't a lot of people

869
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 5: like him around these days.

870
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:44,280
Speaker 1: Is there is there anyone that any any story, anything

871
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: that you did that you'd like to take back? Is

872
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: there one that you built?

873
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't I don't want to say take back.

874
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 1: Well, you know what I'm saying that you wish hadn't occurred.

875
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:55,399
Speaker 3: Or.

876
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 5: You know, I honestly, and I know this sounds like

877
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 5: I'm skirting it, I don't look back that way.

878
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:03,720
Speaker 4: And I'll tell you why.

879
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 5: What we do here, I mean, we have a big newsroom.

880
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 5: We have two hundred people, you know, in the organization,

881
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: and I don't have an office. So I'm in the

882
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 5: middle of the newsroom and always have been. And we

883
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:22,120
Speaker 5: always have arguments and discussions and debates and consensus, and

884
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 5: you know, we we really talk about we want to

885
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 5: be fair, and that's what I care that people see

886
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:32,200
Speaker 5: that at least we are trying to be fair and

887
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 5: accurate and honest. And once you feel like you've done that,

888
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,720
Speaker 5: I don't look back that much. I mean, I just don't, because,

889
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 5: first of all, it's hard to constantly look in the

890
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 5: past when you've got so many things to do in

891
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 5: the present. But you know, you do your best, and

892
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 5: you know and and if you make a mistake, you

893
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:56,400
Speaker 5: correct it.

894
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:58,359
Speaker 4: That's the best you can do.

895
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 5: But as long as you really been honest and you've

896
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 5: tried hard, and we do and look and you know,

897
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,040
Speaker 5: people can say what they want and they may like

898
00:45:08,080 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 5: what we do, and they may not like what we do.

899
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 5: But what I care about is at least if they

900
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 5: believe that we've been honest about our approach in it.

901
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 5: And that's to me, what's paramount.

902
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:20,919
Speaker 3: But you're so many things. You're an investigative reporter. There's

903
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 3: so many things that are going on here. So my

904
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 3: question paparazzi a necessary evil, Well, you.

905
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 4: Know, we scaled back on that.

906
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 5: I mean, we used to have twenty some people out

907
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 5: you know, all over the country who work directly for

908
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,480
Speaker 5: you or yeah, because we didn't want to rely on

909
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 5: people where they weren't. You know, we we have a

910
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 5: handbook of things, rules they have to follow where you're

911
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 5: not supposed to chase people, and all sorts of other things,

912
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 5: and so we've kind of scaled back on it years ago,

913
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: where you know, we've kind of evolved. I mean, I

914
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,400
Speaker 5: think we're different than we were when we started. Paparazzi

915
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 5: have been around since the beginning of entertainment, and you know,

916
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 5: there are people I'm not going to tell you who,

917
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 5: but I remember the story about somebody who you all know,

918
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 5: a famous person who would take a music express a

919
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:19,160
Speaker 5: limo to the airport and this person would ask the

920
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 5: driver to go around the airport three times so she

921
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 5: could apply her makeup and so be good, knowing that

922
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 5: there were paparazzi there. And then when she'd get out

923
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 5: of the car, she'd look and say, oh, paparazzi, And

924
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 5: so yeah, I mean, look what you know, people, They

925
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 5: it all feeds on itself. I mean when you look

926
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 5: at what's going on right now in entertainment, everybody is

927
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 5: buying for a little piece of the pie right now.

928
00:46:47,680 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 4: I mean it's hard.

929
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 5: To get publicity when it comes from all directions. Now,

930
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 5: it could come from streaming. It'd got movies and songs

931
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 5: and you know, just celebrity and reality and all this stuff.

932
00:46:57,719 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 5: So to get attention and maintain a level, you need

933
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 5: it and.

934
00:47:02,040 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 4: They need it.

935
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 5: So I always tell people there are five restaurants in

936
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 5: LA where you know there are paparazzi, and then there

937
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,520
Speaker 5: are thousands of restaurants where you know there aren't. When

938
00:47:14,600 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 5: you see big celebrities going to one of those five restaurants,

939
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 5: they know the drugs.

940
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: They know what they're doing.

941
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

942
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 1: Hervey Dominic Dunn, it was a dear friend of yours

943
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: and who I loved. When I see him socially, tell

944
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: me how he influenced you. Oh, and the daughter with

945
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 1: that whole.

946
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,239
Speaker 5: With Dominique, with he was, he had a profound influence

947
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 5: on me. And I watched him, you know, for people

948
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 5: who don't know his daughter, Dominique was strangled to death

949
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 5: by a guy named John Sweeney, who was the manager

950
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,360
Speaker 5: at Mo Mason Restaurant, which was the big restaurant in

951
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 5: town at the time.

952
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 4: And the trial was a travesty of justice. It was.

953
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 5: It would make your blood boil to know about this.

954
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 5: We did a documentary on this called Death of a

955
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 5: Movie Star. It's on Hulu, remember, and what the judge

956
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,280
Speaker 5: did in that case I think is unforgivable. John Sweeney

957
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 5: had tried to strangle and beat and sent to the

958
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:18,319
Speaker 5: hospital other girlfriends, and one in particular, wouldn't let her testify.

959
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 5: There were all sorts of things that went askew there,

960
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 5: and he ended up just serving a couple of years,

961
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 5: and it really.

962
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,080
Speaker 4: Devastated dominic and his family.

963
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 5: And I watched him pick himself up and then decide,

964
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 5: because there was a point. He told me he was

965
00:48:37,960 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 5: up in the mountains and he thought about suicide, and

966
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 5: he got himself together and then decided he was going

967
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 5: to be an advocate for victims, and he really devoted

968
00:48:48,680 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 5: a lot of the rest of his life to that

969
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:53,880
Speaker 5: and it was so moving to watch the way he

970
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 5: did it, and he did it with such integrity.

971
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 4: And he was also just such a.

972
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:01,840
Speaker 5: Smart, funny, engaging guy who you just loved. I mean,

973
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:06,360
Speaker 5: you knew him, he loved loved being around that. I'm

974
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 5: he is just somebody that is in.

975
00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 4: My heart still.

976
00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 2: Are you friendly with Griffin?

977
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:13,760
Speaker 4: I'm friendly with Griffin.

978
00:49:13,960 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 5: I Griffin was in the documentary that we did and

979
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 5: he his book just came out, and he's a great guy.

980
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 5: He's just a great guy. Dominic was so proud of him.

981
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 5: He's a great guy.

982
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: So on weekends, because you're is it fair to say

983
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 3: you're a workaholic during the week Yes, okay, so on

984
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 3: weekends you're not a workaholic?

985
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:44,720
Speaker 2: Are you working on the weekends? Also?

986
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:49,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean we've got you know, this is a

987
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 5: tough business now, and this is a business where I

988
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,640
Speaker 5: think you know, there's there's a guy that started TMC

989
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 5: with me. His name is Jim Perritorre, who is tragically

990
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 5: but Jim used to always say, you grow or you die.

991
00:50:04,680 --> 00:50:07,359
Speaker 5: And you've done this in your career. I mean, you've

992
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 5: actually been a role model for me. I really mean it.

993
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 5: You've been a role model for me to see what

994
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 5: you've done for as many decades and to see how

995
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 5: relevant you've stayed and how you've pivoted and changed with

996
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 5: the times.

997
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 4: I just have so impressed with your life.

998
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,200
Speaker 5: And you know, in my field, television is not going

999
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 5: to get bigger.

1000
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 4: That's just not the way people are consuming things now.

1001
00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 5: So it's not like you can just say, oh, I'm

1002
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 5: just gonna do television because television may go away, and

1003
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 5: even you know digital that you know, things are you know,

1004
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 5: challenging when it comes to ad revenues. They're challenging for everybody.

1005
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,240
Speaker 5: And so how do you maintain and grow a business.

1006
00:50:55,280 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 5: We use start documentaries and you do other shows, and

1007
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,040
Speaker 5: you do a bus tour of the city and you

1008
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 5: you know, we do all sorts of things and you

1009
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:07,360
Speaker 5: then pivot to TikTok. But you've got to do that.

1010
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 5: So it's created an enormous amount of work. So I

1011
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 5: remember when I graduated from law school, I went down

1012
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 5: to Miami for a year to teach law school before

1013
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 5: I came back to California, and there was a guy

1014
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 5: that I knew who I remember where he said it,

1015
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:26,960
Speaker 5: and we were talking one day and he looked at

1016
00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 5: me and he said, I want to give you some advice.

1017
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,360
Speaker 4: Don't live for the weekends.

1018
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 5: And I remember thinking, wow, that's really true, that you

1019
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,000
Speaker 5: don't just live on Saturday and Sunday, but you've got

1020
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,879
Speaker 5: to live well.

1021
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 4: Not only did they give up the weekdays.

1022
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 3: AI?

1023
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 4: It's hard.

1024
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: Can AI changed this for you? You think AI is

1025
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 2: going to have any impact.

1026
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:50,920
Speaker 5: Then I think AI is going to have an impact

1027
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 5: on humanity everything.

1028
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 2: But how does it impact your business?

1029
00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 5: I think it's going to impact every element of life absolutely,

1030
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 5: and including relationships. I mean, I think you know the

1031
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 5: movie Her, there will be people in the not too

1032
00:52:04,600 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 5: distant future who will have relationships.

1033
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: With absolutely absolutely absolutely lookout.

1034
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 4: I mean it's already happening where you know.

1035
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,880
Speaker 5: You look at gen Z and I think they have

1036
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,359
Speaker 5: lost their ability to communicate. That when you text all

1037
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 5: the time and you're not face to face with people

1038
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 5: and everything is what you write, what you type on

1039
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:33,800
Speaker 5: your phone, and you've devalued communication and even devalued relationships,

1040
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 5: that it's only a matter of time before all of

1041
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 5: a sudden, well you can get a Scarlett Johansson type

1042
00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 5: on you know, your computer who will talk to you

1043
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:47,600
Speaker 5: and tell you what you want to hear, and they

1044
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:51,360
Speaker 5: will eventually be able to even create what appears to

1045
00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 5: be emotion in these people.

1046
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,400
Speaker 4: And I think you're going to see that.

1047
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 1: Only the second inning. We're in the second in the

1048
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:01,960
Speaker 1: seconding at best, absolutely at best.

1049
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:06,240
Speaker 5: And it will affect every element of life, including obviously entertainment.

1050
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 5: And now the big thing is, you know, we interviewed

1051
00:53:08,600 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 5: somebody the other day about you know, was it Ashton

1052
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,120
Speaker 5: Kutcher was talking about doing movies with AI and we

1053
00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 5: interviewed a movie critic who was talking about how bad

1054
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 5: that was and you know why? And I said, look,

1055
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 5: I said, it's going to happen, and if it really

1056
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 5: is bad, consumers aren't going to bite. But if they

1057
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,919
Speaker 5: do bite, you're not going to be able to put

1058
00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 5: that horse back in the barn.

1059
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:38,840
Speaker 4: And I think that's what's.

1060
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,440
Speaker 5: Going on in all over the you know, in every

1061
00:53:41,480 --> 00:53:45,800
Speaker 5: area of life. AI is going to be more transformative

1062
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 5: than the Internet.

1063
00:53:46,640 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: Totally agree. I think people will be working three days

1064
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,280
Speaker 1: a week. Corporate and government.

1065
00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:52,960
Speaker 4: Will what are they going to do?

1066
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:55,440
Speaker 1: They'll give them the money and they won't care if

1067
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,880
Speaker 1: they'll go and spend it. You cannot keep a labor

1068
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: force five days a week. They don't want it. I

1069
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,360
Speaker 1: think government and corporate, all profits, everything changes the numbers,

1070
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: and to be happy to give them the money and

1071
00:54:07,160 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: you'll see a three day work week and they'll go

1072
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 1: out and spend it, and they'll just keep creating it.

1073
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 3: My friend own's office buildings in New York. He said, Skip,

1074
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: we've lost Fridays. We're trying to save Mondays because that's

1075
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,760
Speaker 3: where it is. But to get back to something Paul.

1076
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: Asked you about, is there a white whale guest? If

1077
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:24,880
Speaker 2: you ever.

1078
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 3: Interviewed Elon Musk, if you're regning with him.

1079
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:30,479
Speaker 4: I almost did.

1080
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:34,960
Speaker 5: I had a show called Objectified where I interviewed famous

1081
00:54:34,960 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 5: peep and.

1082
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 4: I can't tell the story. I just there are certain things.

1083
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 3: Wait, you outed me when you made me tell you

1084
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 3: the name of the lawyer on the OJ thing, and

1085
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 3: well I can't tell.

1086
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 2: I we can edit.

1087
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 5: Elon said that he was going to do my show.

1088
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:58,360
Speaker 5: Elon was at a point and I went to SpaceX

1089
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 5: and we had lunch and we talked about stuf and whatnot, and.

1090
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,399
Speaker 4: Shortly before we were going to do it. He got

1091
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 4: upset with me over he was interested in a story.

1092
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 5: That I was just not comfortable talking about that involved

1093
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,240
Speaker 5: things that we had been told off the record about

1094
00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:22,320
Speaker 5: something unrelated to and he told me off in a

1095
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:23,880
Speaker 5: big way one.

1096
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 4: Night on the telephone. And that was my last conversation

1097
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:27,800
Speaker 4: with Funny.

1098
00:55:28,560 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 3: So you said, you don't believe in the cold plunge?

1099
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: Do you sing in the shower?

1100
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:33,280
Speaker 1: He loves his music.

1101
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:34,759
Speaker 5: No, I'll tell you why I don't sing in the

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Speaker 5: shower because I swim at a public pool and I

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Speaker 5: shower in the rinse pool.

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Speaker 4: And if I started singing.

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Speaker 5: At the rins pool where everybody's swimming, I'd be drunk

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Speaker 5: bad in that pool.

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Speaker 2: Because that I want you to sing with Paul. I

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00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 2: think that'd be well.

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Speaker 4: Paul and I have history.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we have big history. I got the phone call,

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00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,839
Speaker 1: you know, regarding My Way and get Harvey sing blah

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00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 1: blahlah blah blah. I love Harvey and I love the

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00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: show and I'm a big fan. He said, Hey, how

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00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: do you want me to fit in with However? I'm there.

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00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 1: Bottom line was he shows up, We do My Way

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00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,279
Speaker 1: a song that he likes, and that was it.

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00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:13,399
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, wait a minute, that was it. He

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00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,280
Speaker 4: took me to Capitol Records.

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00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:17,560
Speaker 1: I said that the studio.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was like the most exciting thing of my

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00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 5: wife that I went into Capitol Records and and Paul says,

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Speaker 5: this is the microphone Sinatra used to sing My Way,

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Speaker 5: And just to be in Capitol Records with the history

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Speaker 5: of the Beach Boys and the Beatles and all that him,

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Speaker 5: it was like, oh my god, it was like the

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Speaker 5: most exciting thing in my life.

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Speaker 1: So we're setting you up, darling. I want to do

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Speaker 1: a duet with you.

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Speaker 3: We did.

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Speaker 1: We did this, Bill Barr. He's saying, I've got you

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Speaker 1: under my skin, and some of our guests love to sing.

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Speaker 1: I want to do my Way with you as a

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Speaker 1: duet today.

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Speaker 4: Down, I'm up. But I'm so out of practice.

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Speaker 1: We don't have to practice. Okay, this is in practice.

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00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,279
Speaker 1: I think it would be very you.

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00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,279
Speaker 5: Know, I embarrassed myself enough already. Well that what the

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00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 5: heck of tea. It's not gonna make my voice any better?

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Speaker 1: Okay, And now.

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Speaker 4: The end is new, and so I face the final curtain.

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Speaker 1: My friend. I'll say it clear.

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00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 4: I'll state my case of which I'm certain.

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00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 3: I live.

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00:57:40,520 --> 00:57:41,680
Speaker 1: A life that's full.

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00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:45,040
Speaker 4: I've traveled each.

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Speaker 6: And every highway, but more, much more than this, I did.

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00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 4: It my.

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Speaker 2: Way.

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00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: Regrets I had a few.

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Speaker 4: But then again too few to mention.

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00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,480
Speaker 6: I did what I had to do.

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00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 4: And saw it through without exemption.

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00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: I'd plum each charter chorus, each scuffle, stuff, long life,

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00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: spy way.

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00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:51,439
Speaker 4: And poor. Much more than this, I did it my way.

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00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,840
Speaker 1: Yes, there were times I'm sure you knew.

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00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:05,640
Speaker 6: When I bit off more than I could choose, but

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00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:10,240
Speaker 6: drew it off when there was doubt.

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00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:19,000
Speaker 4: I hate it up and spit it out. I faced

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Speaker 4: it all, and I stood tall.

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Speaker 6: And did it.

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00:59:32,560 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 4: I loved, I laughed and cried.

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Speaker 1: I've had my film.

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00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 6: My share of losing, and now it's tears subside.

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00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 4: I find it all so amusing.

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00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: Just to think.

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00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:04,920
Speaker 6: I did all And may I say, yes you not

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01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 6: in a shy way?

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01:00:08,600 --> 01:00:11,920
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, not me.

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01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 7: I did it my.

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Speaker 4: Way.

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Speaker 1: For what is a man?

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Speaker 6: What has he got him?

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01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,080
Speaker 4: Not himself.

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01:00:29,080 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 3: That he has not.

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Speaker 4: To say the.

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Speaker 6: Thing he truly did, and not the world's alond.

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Speaker 1: Record.

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Speaker 3: And what.

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Speaker 1: Harvey loving folks?

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Speaker 4: Whoa that was cool? So fun?

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01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: First, folks, drop.

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01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 2: Drop the mic. I need a cold Plunge.

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01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 4: That was so fun.

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01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: The job.

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01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I love that way.

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01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 2: You've got a great boy. No, please heat.

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01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:33,280
Speaker 4: Throat. This was so much fun.

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01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 2: That was so Thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: We loved, love, loved it. I appreciate you taking.

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding?

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Speaker 3: Jordan, our producer wanted me to ask what your greatest

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Speaker 3: achievement was.

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01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 2: Well, now we know.

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Speaker 5: This was maybe the most fun. Honestly, going to Capitol

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Speaker 5: Records that night was one of the highlights of my

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01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 5: life until now, highlights of my life.

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Speaker 4: It was so fun, pleasure.

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Speaker 5: And somebody because it all started because people were giving

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Speaker 5: me shit that's right about singing My Way? And he

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01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 5: called up and he said, I'm going to show them

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Speaker 5: that's right.

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Speaker 4: And we did, Okay, I'm gonna get your work.

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Speaker 1: Go ahead.

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Speaker 8: Our Way with Paul Anka and Skip Bronson is a

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Speaker 8: production of iHeart Radio.

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Speaker 3: The show's executive producer is Jordan Runtogg, with supervising producer

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Speaker 3: and editor Marcy Depina.

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Speaker 1: It was engineered by Todd Carlin and Graham Gibson, mixed

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Speaker 1: and mastered but a wonderful Mary Dean.

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Speaker 2: If you like what you heard, please subscribe and leave

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Speaker 2: us a review.

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite show.

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Speaker 5: The Fun of the

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Speaker 1: St