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Speaker 1: of trial by fire, Good morning to generate anglers and

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Speaker 1: welcome to Ben the Fishing Podcast. Its parents were too

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Speaker 1: that are active and you can see them chasing your

424
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Speaker 1: jail on that equipment, that's one thing. But the argument

425
00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 1: here is that, like, you can't really use that stuff

426
00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:39,479
Speaker 1: effectively to do what these guys needed to do. So

427
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 1: then what Step points out is that using a flogger

428
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Speaker 1: successfully is not easy. Like one must remember that the

429
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 1: device isn't just to find the fish, right, these guys

430
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: are presenting baits to these bedded bass while holding the

431
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: flogger in one hand, dropping a bait on a short

432
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 1: rod with the other there all while laying on their

433
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: stomachs in some cases in very choppy conditions. So in

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Speaker 1: the piece they talked to Bradley roy and one of

435
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:10,879
Speaker 1: the competitors and he was like, yeah, I'm just like

436
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 1: sore and broken after spending all day getting up and down,

437
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: laying on the bow my boat with a flogger and

438
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 1: the article also points out that even if you have

439
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Speaker 1: a flogger, it takes practice to be able to use

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00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 1: it to find what you're looking for. It's not like

441
00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: super intuitive. So um, the author flipped and said, you

442
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: know what, like props for being able to use that awkward,

443
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 1: weird big it's big, like it's not this tiny little

444
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Speaker 1: thing successfully, And after learning about it, like I I

445
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,440
Speaker 1: agree a bit more and also kind of feel exactly

446
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: like what you said. It's like if they're allowed to

447
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: have all that other stuff, then like what's the difference,

448
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 1: you know, like we have underwater drones now and crap

449
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 1: like that, and maybe that's the future. I hope not,

450
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: but we're not there yet. So for now, like, I'll accept,

451
00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,800
Speaker 1: you know, funky parking cone if that's what you need

452
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: to get it. I want to play in that band. Um,

453
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:09,119
Speaker 1: And I think, yeah, man, I mean so one, this

454
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a fun way of fishing, Like, I

455
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 1: don't think this is gonna pull up on the recreation.

456
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 1: You see the pictures, these guys are laying on their

457
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,880
Speaker 1: boats with their heads hanging over the water, looking into

458
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:21,560
Speaker 1: a giant parking cone and then like over their own shoulder,

459
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,440
Speaker 1: dropping a drop shot or tube or whatever. I'm not

460
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: gonna see the bite. Yeah me either. I'm not gonna

461
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: do that. So, uh that that's I don't I don't

462
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,320
Speaker 1: see this. I mean again, setting aside issues around tournament

463
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: fishing for small mouth during the spawn, if we're not

464
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,959
Speaker 1: looking at that element of this, right, if we're taking

465
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Speaker 1: that out of the equation, I don't get an issue.

466
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 1: I think if you want to lay down the deck

467
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: with your short rod and your parking cone in the

468
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: jop and deal with that, that's your problem, not mine.

469
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: I think I think we've already covered that other thing.

470
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: That that's a bigger conversation to be had about whether

471
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Speaker 1: or not we should beholding tournaments for small mountain the spot.

472
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: But I'm again that's that that's not part of today's conversation.

473
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: That's off the table. But the the the verb to

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Speaker 1: flog hmm, what does what does that inspire for you?

475
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 1: What do you think of? Like you you beat the

476
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: crap out of somebody with a long stick, right, yes,

477
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 1: or or a strap on the end of a long stick.

478
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: So that's why when you said a like a flogger. Well,

479
00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:29,720
Speaker 1: so here's the thing, Like I looked up the flogger,

480
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 1: and I'm I'm fairly certain that flogger is like a

481
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: brand name for somebody making these things for bass fisherman.

482
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: But I mean the proper term is bath scope or aquascope,

483
00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: got it. I assume they have other use. I mean,

484
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,399
Speaker 1: I don't know why they wouldn't, like if you need

485
00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: to look at something underwater for whatever purposes. I mean,

486
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 1: I don't think these were invented for bass fishermen, but

487
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: now they have funky colors and bass pro sells them

488
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: then calls them the flogger. All right, well, I will

489
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,960
Speaker 1: not be rushing out to buy myself a flogger. I

490
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 1: can tell you that right now. Um. And since we're

491
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: on the topic of aquatic competition and uh and the

492
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: infrastructure around that, I feel like you gotta point out Olympics. Man.

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00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: The Olympics are just they're just wrapping up right now.

494
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Speaker 1: And I don't know, we have not discussed this, but

495
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Speaker 1: I love me some Olympics. Bizarre, dude, Like it was weird.

496
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 1: It's weird. Every everything is bizarre. We live in bizarre

497
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: world now. And and to your point, I really missed

498
00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:31,199
Speaker 1: having the Games last year. Like I get it. We

499
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: there were lots of things that had to change, and

500
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 1: that's fine, but I felt that absence. I felt the void.

501
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,959
Speaker 1: Can I just add now that I thought it was

502
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:43,160
Speaker 1: like weird and also mildly funny that clearly Japan was like, look,

503
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: we already paid for all the ship Okay, the banners,

504
00:27:48,480 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 1: the ribbons, the medals. We are not buying stuff. And

505
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't blame them because they're losing their shirts on

506
00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,920
Speaker 1: this because no one can be there. I feel for them. Yes,

507
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: And and the weird thing about the Olympics, and this

508
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: isn't a unique thought. Lots of people have covered this,

509
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it again. I'll watch just about

510
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 1: anything and get excited. Like fencing, hand handball. I don't

511
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: even know what that is, but I'll watch it. Swimming.

512
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 1: No one cares about swimming, Okay, it's like one week

513
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 1: every four years. We pretend we're huge fans of sport

514
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 1: and like flaud these people. And I'm talking about myself.

515
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not like pointing fingers, but I would

516
00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: never watch people swim laps in a pool for fun. No,

517
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: And yet here I find myself like cheering at the

518
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: TV while people splash in the pool. I don't get it.

519
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: And before I start worrying this, I hadn't thought about it.

520
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: But the Summer Olympics are are They're kind of aquatic.

521
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: If you if you bring it down, you got, you got.

522
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Speaker 1: You're swimming this, you're surfing debut for the first time,

523
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:51,560
Speaker 1: which was fun. Kayaking has been in Olympic sports since

524
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Speaker 1: ninety six. And then there's another classic water sport that

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Speaker 1: I would never never watch except during the Olympics. Rowing

526
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: And I am not no disrespect to the discipline skill

527
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: required to be a world class rower. That is very difficult.

528
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 1: But the action in that sport doesn't exactly translate to television, right.

529
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: Maybe it's more exciting in person. I don't know. Maybe

530
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm talking about. Because rowing is

531
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Speaker 1: one of the oldest Olympic sports, but I don't think

532
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: it's the most captivating, uh televised sport I've ever seen. Regardless,

533
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Speaker 1: Tokyo went all out for this summer's rowing canoe events.

534
00:29:29,120 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 1: They created the Sea Forest Waterway Regatta Venue. It is

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Speaker 1: state of the art, built between two man made islands

536
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: at the mouth of the Sumida River in Tokyo Bay.

537
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:43,800
Speaker 1: The rules of competitive rowing state that quote, the running

538
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: of the race must not be influenced by natural or

539
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: artificial waves, and that can be a problem when you're

540
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 1: in a bay at the mouth of a river, right

541
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 1: that's that's a place where waves tend to happen. So

542
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: the course in includes a series of very specific floats

543
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 1: that suppressed seventy of surface wave action. Constructing this course

544
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: has come at no small cost, and it was designed

545
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 1: to become the epicenter of rowing canoeing in Asia after

546
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 1: the game's close. Unfortunately, they've run into an unexpected problem.

547
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 1: The course was completed in June, anticipating that the Games

548
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: would begin the following year, as we know postponed. But

549
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Speaker 1: in August of last year, officials held a test run

550
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 1: at the Sea Forest Waterway and discovered that the specialized

551
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: floats were no longer floating. Ha the problem, they'd become

552
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: infested with oysters. That's not a terrible problem to have,

553
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 1: you know what I mean exactly, And that's where we're going.

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00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,880
Speaker 1: The high salinity of Tokyo Bay, combined with the prevalence

555
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 1: of phytoplankton at the mouth of the river, makes the

556
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: spot an optimal growing environment for bivalves. The addition of

557
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: all that underwater infrastructure gave them the perfect place to

558
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: attach and thrive. By December of last year, seventy five

559
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 1: of the floats on the north side of the course

560
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: were completely underwater. Course officials had to drag entire lines

561
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: of floats back to shore and clean them, and in

562
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 1: certain areas deployed divers to remove the oysters. The cleanup

563
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: costs total nearly one point three million dollars. The irony

564
00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: of all this is that Pacific oysters called Macgaki oysters

565
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: and japan and Hammama oysters or hog Island oysters here

566
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: in the US our delicacy. The thirty one thousand pounds

567
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 1: of oysters removed might have been worth tens of thousands

568
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: of dollars if they had been sold, but they weren't.

569
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: One official was quoted in several news outlets is saying

570
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: we did not consider consuming them. That would entail safety checks.

571
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: We want to contain oysters, not grow them. This is

572
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: the same people, These are the same people that need

573
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: FUGU right, worried about safety checks? Correct, like this is

574
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: your Pan oysters. But I get the officials point, okay, right,

575
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 1: Like think about it. They had to deal with enough

576
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 1: hosting these Olympics, like you got a pandemic, you got

577
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: a heat wave, they had a cyclone. I mean, safely

578
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: bringing in these particular oysters that they didn't intend to

579
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: grow and finding way to get them to market would

580
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: be challenging. That's especially true because commercially grown Pacific oysters

581
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: undergo this rigorous purification process to ensure that they're safe

582
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: to eat. You can't just like pluck them and sell them.

583
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: But I still feel like there's a lost opportunity here, right. Yes,

584
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't intend to create an oyster farm,

585
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 1: but they did. And since the plan is to keep

586
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: this course going, I really hope that after the Olympic

587
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: dust settles and there's some time to be thoughtful and

588
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: figure out what to do, I hope they might consider

589
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: finding ways to leverage the course infrastructure to intentionally grow

590
00:32:56,040 --> 00:33:00,719
Speaker 1: harvestable oysters as well. There's there's a stab just upkeep

591
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: budget in perpetuity for this course of one point five

592
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Speaker 1: million dollars, and if they're spending one point three of

593
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,280
Speaker 1: that every year scraping oysters that they throw away kind

594
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 1: of seems unsustainable, right, So maybe they can find a

595
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 1: way to make those floats profitable, and they can also

596
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: turn Asia's premier regatta into a thriving oyster farm. I

597
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 1: would love to see that happen. That would be that

598
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: would be amazing. Um. I do love a good a

599
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: good oyster, so I hope that happens. I don't really

600
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: have much else to say about the outcome of your story,

601
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Speaker 1: but this has prompted you know, you talked about rowing

602
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,840
Speaker 1: being very difficult to watch on TV. Have you ever

603
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 1: tried to watch it on the water while you're trying

604
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 1: to catfish and there's four million of those crew boats

605
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 1: out there with their chase boats running around after you.

606
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 1: That's the thing that's happened to me several times, and

607
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: I just have to say, like, props for the skills.

608
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 1: I certainly couldn't do it, but like, dude, those people

609
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: think they just own the waterway, and you're you're not

610
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: gonna see it in the next season it does boat

611
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 1: because I don't think it's gonna make it. But boy,

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00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: we ran into a little issue with thee on the

613
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 1: Potomac while filming, and it was literally like a thousand

614
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 1: dudes with megaphones like screaming obscenities at us, And at

615
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,560
Speaker 1: one point we were in a catfish hole in a

616
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,480
Speaker 1: channel that was like apparently the only safe channel for

617
00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 1: every crew boat to move through, and it was just

618
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 1: like a constant barrage of what assholes we were while

619
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,359
Speaker 1: trying to catfish. I really, I really hope that makes

620
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,279
Speaker 1: the cut. That's all I'm gonna say. I'm not so sure.

621
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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure. We'll see it would be great.

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00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: Transition nonexistent, So I'm just gonna go along here. Don't

623
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: have it? Um, I don't know. The Olympics just happened,

624
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: So did I cast? How about transition? Not long ago,

625
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: the I cast show happened in Sonny, Orlando, and if

626
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: you don't know what that is, it's the annual fishing

627
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: industry trade show. Um. And of course that was canceled

628
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: as well due to the covids. They did a virtual thing, um,

629
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 1: but it finally fired back up this year, and while

630
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: Myles and I were not in attendance, I'm I'm still

631
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: always interested in the goings on at the show. So

632
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: I spent that week like texting friends feeling a deep

633
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 1: sense of fomo uh and not so much about the show,

634
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: but like it's been a minute since I took my

635
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: rightful places. The guy that needs to be swept off

636
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: the floor at Senior Frogs across from the shitty rose

637
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: In hotel I used to stay in, you know, like

638
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: that's my floor to get wiped off of after ten

639
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: Irish car bombs. Um. Anyway, an important thing to keep

640
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: in mind, which we'll circle back to, is that eye

641
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: Cast is not open to consumers. Like you have to

642
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:33,399
Speaker 1: be industry connected, right, whether it's owning a tackle shop

643
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: or guide service or media. Um. You have to be

644
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: on the inside to get in. And that will come

645
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: back later. So every year at i Cast they have

646
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 1: the new Product Showcase, which US media types always got

647
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:46,680
Speaker 1: an advanced look at, which was fun, and companies at

648
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: the show but their best product in the showcase. And

649
00:35:48,840 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: then there's this big vote. I've voted before, I've done

650
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: some voting. I'm sure you've done some voting for the

651
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: best new products in in a wide array of categories.

652
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 1: But then of course there's the highest honor, just like

653
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 1: at Westminster Best in Show Overall winner, Greatest Thing at

654
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: i Cast. This year that honor went to Berkeley's power

655
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: Bait Gilly, which is a soft plastic swim Babe, specifically

656
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 1: designed to imitate a pan fish. Now here's why this

657
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,320
Speaker 1: is newsworthy. While it wasn't always called eye cast. Turns

658
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: out and I didn't know this. This convention has been

659
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: around for sixty four years now, and this is the

660
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: first time in its history that a lore took overall

661
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: Best in Show. Yes, and this was such an upset

662
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 1: that there's an entire article written about it um on

663
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 1: TC palm dot com which points out and I can

664
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: vouch for this, right, best in Show usually goes to

665
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: an electronics company, maybe a kayak or personal watercraft manufacturer,

666
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,239
Speaker 1: and on the occasion, but not always, a rod and

667
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: reel maker. Like those are the top three categories that

668
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: that take Best in Show routinely. So this sort of

669
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 1: like shook things up, shook some blow um, And I'll

670
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 1: tell you just a little bit about this baby. Keep

671
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 1: in mind there's very little out there by way of

672
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: underwater video or anything like that. Like this is super

673
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 1: super new UM, and our bud, Mike liken Elli actually

674
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: had a pretty big hand in the design. Bait comes

675
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: in three sizes, twelve colors, and I will admit that

676
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: they look different from other swim bait designs, which is

677
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: important because, like, let's be honest, it's not like there's

678
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 1: no shortage of soft plastic swim baits out there that

679
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: imitate bluegills. Plenty of them. So the front half of

680
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,720
Speaker 1: the bait appears to be just normal molded soft plastic,

681
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: though the head is hollowed out and according to a

682
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 1: sneak Peak video, Mike dropped, um, that's beneficial for freaking

683
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 1: it on a jighead. But you can also add, as

684
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 1: he puts it, quote, materials to that chamber to make

685
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,880
Speaker 1: the baits sink faster or maybe float. The back half

686
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: of the bait is die cut, and I describe it

687
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: like a reverse honeycomb effect, if that makes sense, Like

688
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:56,920
Speaker 1: if you ever like cross cut a piece of mango

689
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: and then turn the skin inside out and flip it

690
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,879
Speaker 1: out and like all the little sections pop. Like that's

691
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,879
Speaker 1: that's what the back half of this bait looks like.

692
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: And then on the body and the tail there are

693
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: rudders that, according to Mike, keep debait horizontal whether it's

694
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,439
Speaker 1: swimming or falling. He says, it will land and lay

695
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: belly down on the bottom, always staying up right. Um,

696
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: And he says there are loads of ways to rig

697
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: the gillie, which I'm curious about because however, again, because

698
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: it's so new, nobody has even dropped like a deep

699
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 1: dive rigging video yet I could picture the obvious rigging methods,

700
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 1: but it's supposed to be super versatile. So just a

701
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: few top level thoughts and here's where I move into

702
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: the Joe Pontificates chapter. Um, there's no doubt some thought

703
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: really went into this design, like, and big congrats to

704
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: Berkeley for I mean, making show history. But over the years,

705
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: I mean, there have been a lot of innovative swim

706
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: baits in the New Products showcase. And while I have

707
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: no doubt this one will catch fish and be more affordable,

708
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: I think that's a key point because Berkeley's baits are

709
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: typically not you know, not crazy expensive. You know, if

710
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 1: you're talking innovation. Can I step back and say, man

711
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 1: like that truly is the most groundbreaking blue gill swim

712
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: byand I've ever seen. I I cannot, And I'm not

713
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: putting this lower down. It's just like a point of fact,

714
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: and my bigger rhetorical question, you know, for you, maybe

715
00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 1: even some of you guys listening will answer via email.

716
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,840
Speaker 1: I've always wondered, like, does a win of this caliber

717
00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: matter to the consumer? Do you ever think about that?

718
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,879
Speaker 1: Like I have wondered this for many, many years, Like

719
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 1: here's a show that you listening, the consumer is not

720
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: allowed to go to, and we're awarding products that you,

721
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: the consumer hasn't yet been able to fish. So does

722
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 1: a stamp on the package when these baits are in

723
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: Dix in a few weeks make you go, oh shit,

724
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: like this took best and show at I cast um

725
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: Because I feel the same way about a lot of

726
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: these industry shows, like I've I've used many products that

727
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 1: took you know, this category or that at the outdoor

728
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: Retailer shot show I cast and when you first see

729
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: this stuff, it's like, oh man, that's pretty cool. But

730
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: then on the water in the real world, it's like, yeah,

731
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:57,799
Speaker 1: it's it's not that great. So voting in the new

732
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 1: Product showcase has always been like nifty if you're one

733
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: of the guys that that gets to be there to

734
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: do it um. But I've always wondered, and again I'm

735
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 1: not being snarky, I'm just like truly always wondered, like

736
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: do seals of approval from these industry shows, like the

737
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: people in Walmart buying care does the average weekend angler care?

738
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: I have no idea, to be honest with you, but

739
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: my I'm gonna do a spinoff and say I hope

740
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 1: not because I've always had a problem with the way

741
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: that these things go down, because to me, it always

742
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,319
Speaker 1: felt like such a waste of time. I can't go

743
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: look at a product, a fishing product, being a rod

744
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,279
Speaker 1: or a reel or a bait or a bag or

745
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: whatever in a convention center and like maybe maybe I

746
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,600
Speaker 1: I cast the rod on a pond or something maybe

747
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: and decide this is the best piece of fishing equipment

748
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: in here. Because I have never fished it, I think

749
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 1: that is an inherently flawed system. And I've I've railed

750
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: against this for the entire time that I've ever gone

751
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: to any of these fishing shows that are industry and said,

752
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 1: this is a waste of everyone's time and it's idiotic.

753
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 1: So like, I don't how am I supposed to vote

754
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: for what is best to show when I've never fished

755
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: with any of these products in the wild, and and

756
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: and we see very eye to eye on that. It's

757
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: It's one of the things we've always agreed on, like

758
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: you know, in in earlier parts of our career at

759
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: Field and Stream, and it grays like I would only

760
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: talk about a new product that I hadn't fished in

761
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: the sense of like, this is new, here's what I know,

762
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:28,920
Speaker 1: but like a hardcore, drilled down gear review was always

763
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: so difficult for me because they have to move so

764
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: quickly as things change, and I'm like, man, I really

765
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:37,320
Speaker 1: like I kind of want to fish something for six

766
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: months or a year before I put my stamp of

767
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: like this kicks ass. I still feel that way. I

768
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: did it very hard to do that in our industry

769
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: because stuff is just constantly changing. To give them credit,

770
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: that's how Grays does their gear reviews, or at least

771
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:52,520
Speaker 1: they did when I was there, everything was a year

772
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: late because I fished everything for a year and then

773
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: decided these are the four things I would actually spend

774
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: my money on. But the gear companies hated it because

775
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 1: we featuring their new products. It was the old stuff,

776
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: but it was actual things that I could go to

777
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: the readers and say, this is worth your time, this

778
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: is worth your money by this it's great. Yeah, I

779
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: love some opinions. If you guys want to share some.

780
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: By the way, before you move on to your story,

781
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: stay tuned because we have another little eye cast nugget

782
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,880
Speaker 1: in the show coming up shortly that I think you

783
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: guys will appreciate. I know, I do. Um. The only

784
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: connection I have is that this has to do with

785
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 1: the new technology and fish that's also somewhat unproven but

786
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: potentially exciting. Scientists at the University of California Davis are

787
00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 1: pioneering a new technique for studying the life history of fish,

788
00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: peeling away and individually analyzing the layers of their eyeballs.

789
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:51,000
Speaker 1: Oh much like tree rings, the lenses of fish eyeballs

790
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: grow in layers, and those layers record chemical signatures from

791
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,440
Speaker 1: which researchers can determine what kind of habitat the fish

792
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 1: was using, how rich and certain nutrients its diet was,

793
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: and what its rate of growth was at different life stages.

794
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,720
Speaker 1: Lead author Miranda Bell Tilcock described it as a little

795
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:16,640
Speaker 1: diet journal the fish keeps for us, which is really nice. Yeah.

796
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: In order to gather that information, researchers perform what Silcock

797
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: describes as quote like peeling the world's tiniest onion. I

798
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: like I like this researcher I like I like her quotes.

799
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: They remove one layer at a time with tiny forceps

800
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: and use isotopic analysis on each one. The intention in

801
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: this case is to better understand how different habitats in

802
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,080
Speaker 1: the Sacramento River delta impact the growth and development of

803
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: juvenile salmon. The researchers looked at fish raised in three

804
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 1: different parts of the ecosystem, the main river, the floodplain,

805
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: and a hatchery. Initial findings suggests that fish reared in

806
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 1: the floodplain, which is now mostly standing rice fields, grew

807
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: more quickly and had additional layers in their lenses. Though

808
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,240
Speaker 1: the research is currently focused on California salmon, the potential

809
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: value of this extends the migratory fish species everywhere. According

810
00:44:08,440 --> 00:44:11,359
Speaker 1: to Tilcock quote, there are many migratory species all over

811
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,240
Speaker 1: the world that need freshwater habitat. If you can isolate

812
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: their habitat and value for diet, you can quantify it

813
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: for long term success. In other words, if researchers can

814
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 1: understand what parts of the habitat certain migratory fish are

815
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: are using and having success, that information can influence management

816
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,919
Speaker 1: decisions and potentially benefit the growth and survival of the fish.

817
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 1: Right they can see where the fish are going, what

818
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:38,160
Speaker 1: they're using, what things are beneficial, what aren't, and and

819
00:44:38,200 --> 00:44:42,240
Speaker 1: they can get that that information pretty quickly indirectly. For example,

820
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: one of the co authors of the study recently used

821
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 1: the technique to study changes in a food web following

822
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:51,240
Speaker 1: the construction of a dam in Brazil, right, so looking

823
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: at how that changed almost in real time after they

824
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: put in a dam, and that researcher described this as

825
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 1: quote the holy grail of measure dring restoration success. So

826
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: I don't exactly know where this is going to go,

827
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: but I find it to be just hopeful and fascinating.

828
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: And the fact that they're cutting open and peeling away

829
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 1: fish eyes as tree rings just stuck out at me.

830
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 1: A dude, I mean, there's a lot of good that

831
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 1: can come of that if this is you know, that accurate? Um,

832
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I can think it's so many situations where

833
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: having that information would be helpful here in so many

834
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: different studies and so many different rivers, right, Because if

835
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: you make changes to management or habitat or infrastructure like

836
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 1: within a river and you can immediately see how it's

837
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 1: impacting fish growth, that's amazing. Yeah, for sure, I mean

838
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 1: it's no reverse honeycomb body design on a soft plastic Swistainly,

839
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: I think I think overall that technology will be more

840
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: impactful for society. But hey, maybe if Phil does die

841
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: from his recent accident, they can dissect his eyeballs and

842
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:55,279
Speaker 1: and learn that he has survived all these years on

843
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: a diet of pure pez in r C cola. You know,

844
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: we're not rooting We're we're not rooting for that though.

845
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: We're rooting for a full recovery, because our egos need

846
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: to know who wins this pointless competition every week. And

847
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 1: with that, let's check in with old Phil and see

848
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 1: how he's doing in the I see you. And then

849
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: after that, uh, what I guarantee is is likely to

850
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:19,239
Speaker 1: be an awkward bit of tape. We'll move on to

851
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: another awkward moment in fishing. Um, I think I think

852
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: this is Phil. I think this is the guy. Yeah,

853
00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: it's Phil, I think. I mean, you can see his

854
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 1: hair kind of poking out through the bandages as nice

855
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: a quaff. Thank god they saved that hair. Do you

856
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: think he's awake? Do you think you can hear us?

857
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 1: I mean we're gonna have to try. I guess you

858
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 1: have to try. Do you know how this happened? How

859
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 1: did this happen? You didn't hear? He built a pontoon

860
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,399
Speaker 1: boat out of oil drums, but the oil drums were

861
00:46:53,440 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: still filled with oil. That's yeah, not the smartest idea up, Phil,

862
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: hold his hand, hold his hand? Okay, how his hand? Hands? Hold?

863
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: Hold Carl, Maggie, we're here? Is that is that you? Yes?

864
00:47:11,600 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yes, yes, yes, please please tell tell Miles,

865
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: tell him anything that the winner last week? Okay, what's Joe? Oh? Good, good, good,

866
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: we will we will tell him. I don't blame him

867
00:47:26,120 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 1: for planting this idea in my head. Okay, we'll pass

868
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: that on. But we need one more thing film before

869
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 1: you go. We need to know who won this week?

870
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: Can you tell us? I can't and the winner was clear? Okay, okay, winner,

871
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: Come on, Phil, I think he's gone. Oh no, you

872
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: know what this means, right? Do you know what this means? No?

873
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 1: They're going to send us to work with Lance V

874
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: if we don't get this answer. No, shut up? Yeah, yeah,

875
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: oh my god. Miracles, it's a miracle. Not the winter smiles. God,

876
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: we'll take care of yourself. Can someone get me a

877
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 1: brisk iced tea. What did you take a picture in

878
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: a life block? It's uh, it's kind of been a

879
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 1: hot minute since we've done an awkward photo. And I

880
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: must say that's not because you guys aren't sending them, okay,

881
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:37,400
Speaker 1: you you guys are really doing your part. But I

882
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 1: feel like what happens, okay is after a while, after

883
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: you do this for a while, it becomes a game

884
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: of one upping the last photo, you know what I mean?

885
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 1: And like, the more you do that, the more you

886
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: like end up waiting for stunners, you know what I means.

887
00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:55,240
Speaker 1: Like you kind of like inadvertently rope yourself into waiting

888
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: it out for the ultra gold, which which is exactly

889
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: what we have to do this. Yeah, this segment would

890
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 1: get boring if we just threw out random photos that

891
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: we if we were to do this with photos we

892
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 1: weren't excited about, I don't think it would be very

893
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: exactly right exactly And and this particular one is it

894
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: was worth the weight we have? Yes, we have a

895
00:49:15,160 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 1: I would call it an exceptional fantastic layered photo might

896
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: be a favorite of mine, I got it. I think

897
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 1: it might be definitely. But here's the best part, right,

898
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 1: This photo wasn't even sent in as an awkward photo. No,

899
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:31,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't. It wasn't even sent to us. Really, it

900
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: was forwarded to us from our colleague who monitors the

901
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:40,160
Speaker 1: general Mediator account, and the attached photos were just sort

902
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: of showing off recent catches, which is pretty common. We

903
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: get that a lot. Ye, And we looked at them

904
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,600
Speaker 1: and we were like, oh, damn, that one right there

905
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: is super and awkward. So that's what happened. I looked

906
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: at that photo and I knew it just at the moment,

907
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: like I knew we were going to have to do

908
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: a segment on it. For the first time ever, we

909
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 1: had to reach out to a meat eater fan and say, hey, uh,

910
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:06,520
Speaker 1: I know you didn't actually submit this for awkward moments

911
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: and angling, but it's really awkward, so can we please

912
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: trash this on the air? Will you let us do that? Yeah? Right,

913
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 1: and and and dude was like absolutely even he was pumped.

914
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: But even funnier thing it's actually a photo of his wife.

915
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 1: Yeah he's in there, but but it's the wife is

916
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: the focal point. So he was also kind of saying like, yes,

917
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: please make fun of my wife as well, Like you know,

918
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,040
Speaker 1: hashtag pending domestic dispute. I don't know, you know what

919
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: I mean. I don't think so, and I hope not.

920
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:39,280
Speaker 1: But here here's the story. The email came from Connor

921
00:50:39,320 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: Adley and he wrote again he was just sending this

922
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: to the main media to account. He wrote this very

923
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:47,800
Speaker 1: nice vignette about how he had never saltwater fish to

924
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: his life before he met his wife, just saying, and

925
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: now it's a huge part of what he does. Her

926
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:56,239
Speaker 1: family has had a property on Bailey Island, which is

927
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,439
Speaker 1: in Casco Bay in Maine, for a very long time,

928
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 1: and she spent summer up there since she was little.

929
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: When Connor married into the family, he started going up

930
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,760
Speaker 1: to Bailey Island too, and now he's up there every weekend.

931
00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 1: Connor has subsequently turned into an absolute striper nut. He's

932
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: just ate up with it. He loves him, that's right,

933
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: that's right. So he said this, and he happened to

934
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 1: attach to photos. One is of himself doing a what

935
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 1: I call it a very just stock gripping grain striper

936
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:27,080
Speaker 1: appropriate shot on the boat, and the other uh is

937
00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,799
Speaker 1: of his wife holding a striper and it looks like

938
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: she's crying. It looks like she is completely uncomfortable, just

939
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: right on the verge of tears. Like there there is

940
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: angst in the poor girl's face. Okay, dare I say

941
00:51:45,520 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 1: there's anguish in the poor girl's face, Jason, Who's who's

942
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,240
Speaker 1: very She appears to be a very petite Person's standing

943
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: at the base of some large, steep upturned sedimentary rocks.

944
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 1: I noticed those rocks are very very pretty rocks. Uh,

945
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: right at the edge of the water. She's got one

946
00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: hand firmly gripped right in the right spot, right at

947
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: the wrist the peduncle of the tail, and the other

948
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: hands got the lip grip. It's very close to a

949
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:19,399
Speaker 1: classic striper hole. It's just a little off. Yeah, it's

950
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,479
Speaker 1: just like the tails up a little too high, which

951
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 1: makes it look kind of strange. And there's some seaweed

952
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,760
Speaker 1: obscuring the body. But all in all, the holds okay.

953
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 1: I also gonna say, there's this weird jene jacket that's

954
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 1: kind of dangling off on the side in this and

955
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, because it's like monogram very large. I

956
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: don't even it almost looks like it's kind of floating there.

957
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,600
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if that gene jacket is about to fall

958
00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: into the water. The Jeane jacket looks precarious. But that's

959
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: there's just And for you. And then there's Connor and

960
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: he's he's like he's sort of hiding behind just In

961
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: and and sort of hiding behind the rocks. But he's

962
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: got his arms sticking out from under her armpit and

963
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 1: it's just like awkwardly tickling the belly of the fish

964
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 1: a little bit. He's not even really touching it though,

965
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 1: so I don't think he's adding much support. But it's

966
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: it's his face, you guys. It's the look on his

967
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: face and it's just peeking out from behind this young

968
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: woman and it looks I can only describe it as diabolical. Right,

969
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,479
Speaker 1: So then you can put all this together, and there's

970
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 1: just saying looking terrified, Connor trying to hide with just

971
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: his face in his hand sticking out, looking evil, and

972
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:36,280
Speaker 1: the whole thing just it looks creepy. It just looks creepy.

973
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: His face is very sinister. It's extremely it's like sinister.

974
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,800
Speaker 1: And this is this is why should be twirling his

975
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:48,239
Speaker 1: mustache like right exactly, that was a terrible sinister person impression.

976
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 1: I didn't think about it long enough whatever, Keep it

977
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: in Phil. But here's what this is what came to

978
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,240
Speaker 1: mind when I first saw this. It's like a movie

979
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 1: scene where and I don't have a movie in mind,

980
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: but we all know what I'm talking about. Here, a

981
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: bad guy like bumps up against a female victim in

982
00:54:05,920 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 1: a public setting and like sticks a gun in her

983
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 1: back and says, start walking and start walking and don't

984
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: say a word, and then she's got to decide whether

985
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 1: to make a move and cry out for help or not.

986
00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:28,240
Speaker 1: Was wait? Was that Running Man? Was that a clip

987
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: from Running Man? It was? I was Running Man? And

988
00:54:32,320 --> 00:54:34,640
Speaker 1: while while it has no further connection, I just feel

989
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:39,879
Speaker 1: the need to add this. Are you ready for pay?

990
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: Are you ready for suffering? If the answer is yes,

991
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: then you're ready for Captain Freedom's work out. Now you

992
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,920
Speaker 1: probably thought I was gonna go with here's sub zero

993
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: now playing zero, But that's just too obvious. That's the

994
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: most quoted line from The Running Man, which maybe five

995
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 1: people listening have seen. I hope it's more were I

996
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,959
Speaker 1: hope that was. I hope that one landed. It didn't

997
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: land with me. I'll say that like I'm not a

998
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: fan and I have Please tell me you've read the book.

999
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: Have you read the book? Did you read the book?

1000
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 1: You're not a fan of The Running Man? No, No,

1001
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 1: and I can tell you why, But answer my question,

1002
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 1: did have you read the book? I have never read

1003
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 1: any of the book versions of any Schwarzenegger movie. No.

1004
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: I tried to find raw deal in paperback, but it

1005
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: just didn't seem to exist. I see the joke you're

1006
00:55:30,120 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 1: trying to make, but I'm going to continue with this

1007
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 1: line of rationale. It was a Bachman book, which was

1008
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:40,879
Speaker 1: Stephen King's pen name for a while. Oh yes, something

1009
00:55:40,920 --> 00:55:44,359
Speaker 1: new every day. And the book is actually nothing like

1010
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:49,919
Speaker 1: that over hyped weird game show insanity that they made

1011
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 1: into a movie. It's actually like a really interesting take

1012
00:55:53,800 --> 00:55:56,359
Speaker 1: on what was contemporary culture in the eighties and how

1013
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: we dealt with like prisons. But the movie, other than

1014
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 1: the name, has nothing to do with the book. It's

1015
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: it's not even so buzz Saw and Dynamo aren't in

1016
00:56:05,600 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: the book. They're not in the book. No. No, it

1017
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: was like all the reasons, all the reasons why I

1018
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: did not like that movie. This is still an awkward moments, right,

1019
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:21,280
Speaker 1: we should probably circle back, guys, continue to our Running

1020
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 1: Man podcast that's every Saturday on our own channels. Anyway, Yes,

1021
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 1: we'll get back to just and we have to check

1022
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,240
Speaker 1: in and see if she's safe. The photo. The photo

1023
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: was so awkward right that we we we had to

1024
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: reach out to Connor first to get his permission, and

1025
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: we also wanted to get some backstory. And here's what

1026
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: he said. I love fish, and nothing makes me happier

1027
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,400
Speaker 1: than making a small fish look big in a picture,

1028
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:54,240
Speaker 1: said every person on Instagram. Ever, whenever just Sends family

1029
00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: took pictures of fish, they were never presented properly to

1030
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 1: show the true beauty of the fish. They either held

1031
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: it by the lips straight up and down, or in

1032
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,360
Speaker 1: an awkward way that made the fish have a J shape.

1033
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: Because this one wasn't awkward. Over the last three seasons,

1034
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 1: I have been working on teaching the family how to

1035
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: present fish to the cameras. And on this beautiful Sunday morning,

1036
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: my wife caught her biggest fish of the summer. I

1037
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: saw how she was holding it, and I couldn't just

1038
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,280
Speaker 1: stand behind her and let that belly sag, so I

1039
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 1: jumped in while the picture was being taken. To support

1040
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:35,280
Speaker 1: both my wife and the fish. I didn't think my

1041
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 1: face would be in the picture, and because we'd like

1042
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: to get them back into the water as quickly as possible,

1043
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:43,800
Speaker 1: there was no time to take another Here's the thing, though, Connor,

1044
00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: I know from experience some people just don't want to

1045
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:49,000
Speaker 1: be taught the right way. I'm thinking of my dad,

1046
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,520
Speaker 1: Like every time I try and take a nice picture

1047
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: of him with the fish, he wants none of the instruction.

1048
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,360
Speaker 1: He does not care. But still, how ironic that Connor

1049
00:57:58,400 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 1: here was trying to make his wife and the fish

1050
00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: look better. Yet we end up with this though, I

1051
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,400
Speaker 1: think there's actually there's actually a lesson here that we

1052
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 1: can all appreciate and learn from. Okay, what what what

1053
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: Connor and Jessen did not do did not do was

1054
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Speaker 1: spend twenty five minutes posing with the fish. So props

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00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: for the quick snap and release. Even if she had

1056
00:58:20,720 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: nailed the hold right like then we wouldn't be talking

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00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 1: about her. So I actually think this turned out better.

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00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 1: This is bettest worked out, but far better than they

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00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 1: ever could have imagined. One shot back in the water

1060
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: app well done. Well that as as no one on

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00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,720
Speaker 1: Instagram ever said, right there, Connor, thanks for for kind

1062
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 1: of sort of sending this to us for our moments

1063
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,920
Speaker 1: on accident, but really thanks for letting us use it

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00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: when we asked. Uh. And I also should add that

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00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,560
Speaker 1: the majority of our thanks go to just Send for

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00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 1: playing along and yes, allowing this to be shared publicly. Uh.

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00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:03,240
Speaker 1: You hope you're all smiles in subsequent striper shots and

1068
00:59:03,240 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 1: and now know how to do the rifle pose that

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00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:12,920
Speaker 1: Surmelie claims he invented, so he did not all of

1070
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,400
Speaker 1: you out there. If you want to see this, you

1071
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: can see the photo on Joe and my Instagram accounts.

1072
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 1: And if you want your photo roasted here fired off

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00:59:20,400 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: along with the backstory to Bent at the meat eater

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00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: dot com. That was kind of a harsh way to

1075
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:31,280
Speaker 1: teach a lesson on how to hold a fish. But

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00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm willing to bet the next time that we

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00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 1: get a photo of just and holding a striper, she's

1078
00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: gonna be mean, mugging like a Montak sharpie. Did that right?

1079
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 1: That sound natural? Not really close? He's got just stick

1080
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,080
Speaker 1: to your West Coast slang. But yeah, Jess, and definitely

1081
00:59:51,400 --> 00:59:53,640
Speaker 1: she knows more about stripers than you, even if she

1082
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: doesn't know how to hold them yet. So you know,

1083
00:59:56,040 --> 00:59:59,959
Speaker 1: exposing your your weak fish hold game on a four

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01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: point five star fishing podcast is it's kind of trial

1085
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:06,240
Speaker 1: by fire. But joking aside, we really did love that photo.

1086
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 1: Was one of my favorites. Really good. Um. Anyway, sort

1087
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: of by accident, truly, we we've we've woven a like

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01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: a secondary, like a secondary major, like a secondary striper

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01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,960
Speaker 1: theme in a minor episode a minor. That's what I meant, God,

1090
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,600
Speaker 1: secondary major minor dummy. Um. And you also you did

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01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 1: just mentioned mont Talk, which creates a perfect transition to

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Speaker 1: the end of the line This week, Yes, yes it does.

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01:00:31,320 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: In honor of a full year recording together, Joe and

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01:00:34,080 --> 01:00:36,520
Speaker 1: I are going to tag team this week's end of

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01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 1: line and choo the fat, so to speak, and by

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01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: fact we mean delicious, delicious pork skin. Well, that's not

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01:00:48,320 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: loud enough. Dietarily speaking, I don't have a whole lot

1098
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 1: in common with the fish I pursue. I mean, I

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01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:02,720
Speaker 1: like crayfish and certain paid fish, but but I take

1100
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 1: a pass on nightcrawlers, grasshoppers, and hot dogs soaked in

1101
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: kool aid and garlic. Powder fish and I do share

1102
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: one gastronomical achilles heel, though bacon taste good part shops

1103
01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: taste good pig fat. Don't tell Steve Ronella, but pork

1104
01:01:20,640 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: might be my favorite meat. I love elk, antelope, moose,

1105
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 1: dear pheasant, grouse, and many many aquatic meats. But as

1106
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: much as I want to go pure wild game for

1107
01:01:31,640 --> 01:01:35,600
Speaker 1: my protein, I can't quit the swine, especially when it's

1108
01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 1: cured and salty, even though I know it's not the

1109
01:01:39,400 --> 01:01:44,200
Speaker 1: smartest dietary decision. Game fish share my affinity for salty pork,

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01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:46,880
Speaker 1: and the history of natural pork baits goes back a

1111
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:50,959
Speaker 1: good long time. A couple of fishing buddies named Urban

1112
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 1: Shriner and Alan P. Jones had a problem. The pair

1113
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,680
Speaker 1: would spend their summer days fishing bass on Jordan Lake

1114
01:01:57,720 --> 01:02:00,920
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin. Early in the morning and late in the evening.

1115
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: They like to pitch plugs, but midday, when the plugging

1116
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 1: got slow, they always switched to live frogs. That year, however,

1117
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: due to environmental circumstances, the specifics of which have been

1118
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:16,480
Speaker 1: lost to history, Jordan Lake had a frog shortage. The

1119
01:02:16,520 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 1: two couldn't find the frogs they needed to keep up

1120
01:02:18,840 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 1: the midday bite anywhere, so they got to thinking about

1121
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,680
Speaker 1: which alternatives they might use to replace the absent amphibians.

1122
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: Jones worked at a dairy farm where one of his

1123
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: jobs was slaughtering hogs and making sausage, so the guy

1124
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: was familiar with pig parts. Throughout that summer, the two

1125
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: experimented with chunks of fat back that still had the

1126
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: skin on, cutting them into different frog leg shapes. They

1127
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: wanted to get optimal wiggle out of the legs, but

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01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:51,800
Speaker 1: keep enough fat on to create a body profile provide

1129
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,560
Speaker 1: enough way to cast and send out a greasy scent

1130
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: trail for the fish. Turns out it worked pretty damn well,

1131
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:00,560
Speaker 1: and the next year the two star of the Uncle

1132
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: Josh Bait Company in Fort Atkinson, Wisconsin. That first year,

1133
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:08,720
Speaker 1: they offered three baits, the original number eleven pork frog,

1134
01:03:09,120 --> 01:03:12,000
Speaker 1: a bass strip, and a fly strip, all of which

1135
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 1: were available in just one color, the natural white of

1136
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 1: cured pork skin and fat. The baits were effective and

1137
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,479
Speaker 1: incredibly durable. Pigskin is tough, but it took a while

1138
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,040
Speaker 1: to figure out how to get the fat back to

1139
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: absorb and hold colored dies. Their biggest challenge, however, was spoilage.

1140
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: The first few years opening those little glass jars was

1141
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:38,880
Speaker 1: an old factory gamble, as the Bates would quickly go

1142
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: ranted and stink far worse than any pack of power bait. Eventually, though,

1143
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:45,600
Speaker 1: they figured out a way to get the dyeta stick

1144
01:03:46,040 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: and a brine that would keep the flesh fresh. Bass

1145
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: and pike anglers across the country soon discovered the effectiveness

1146
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 1: of salty pork in little green jars, and the pig

1147
01:03:55,840 --> 01:04:00,480
Speaker 1: and a jig became standard. It's difficult to overstay the

1148
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: impact that this creation had on recreational fishing. At the time,

1149
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,560
Speaker 1: pig strips were everywhere. Spoon manufacturers realized that undulating tails

1150
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:11,760
Speaker 1: could add action and sent to their flash and vibration,

1151
01:04:12,080 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 1: and began designing spoons with special rind attachments. Most listeners

1152
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: are likely familiar with the iconic red Dare Devil spoon

1153
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:22,920
Speaker 1: and its white stripe down the center, but what you

1154
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 1: probably didn't know is the Daredevil originally came up with

1155
01:04:26,320 --> 01:04:29,960
Speaker 1: that color design to compete with pork strips. The tagline

1156
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: for that paint job in old ads reads the stripe

1157
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 1: the pork grind without the Greeks. For nearly four decades,

1158
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:42,360
Speaker 1: natural pork reigned supreme. Uncle Josh Bates grew large and successful,

1159
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:45,800
Speaker 1: and at least three other companies also produced pork grind

1160
01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: baits to meet national demand. They added scents and action

1161
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,400
Speaker 1: to artificial lures and caught god knows how many fish.

1162
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 1: Then came the cream worm and the explosion of plastics.

1163
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,960
Speaker 1: For a while, people kind of forgot about natural skin baits.

1164
01:05:00,720 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: By the early nineteen seventies, Uncle Josh was the only

1165
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 1: company making hog hide, frogs and strips. All the others

1166
01:05:07,040 --> 01:05:11,120
Speaker 1: had folded in the late seventies and early eighties, though

1167
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:15,080
Speaker 1: some tournament bass anglers started bringing in bags that turned heads.

1168
01:05:15,480 --> 01:05:18,680
Speaker 1: One pair in an Oklahoma tournament set a state record

1169
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:21,200
Speaker 1: weighing in twenty fish that totaled a hundred and twenty

1170
01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,880
Speaker 1: nine pounds ten ounces, all caught on a peg and

1171
01:05:24,920 --> 01:05:30,640
Speaker 1: a jake. Pork rinds became popular again until plastics technology

1172
01:05:30,840 --> 01:05:34,160
Speaker 1: outmatched in the nineties with salt scent and the huge

1173
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:36,720
Speaker 1: variety of colors and designs were now accustomed to seeing

1174
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: on tackle store peg boards. Even though plastics started to

1175
01:05:41,160 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 1: outcompete them, pork grind always maintained a market. There were

1176
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:48,640
Speaker 1: the old timers like my uncle's who swore that a

1177
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:53,040
Speaker 1: chunk of Uncle Josh's on a weedless Johnson's silverspoon would

1178
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:56,400
Speaker 1: catch fish when they wouldn't bite anything else, and those

1179
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 1: die hards went into collective mourning in twenty fifteen, when

1180
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 1: Acme Lures, who had purchased the Uncle Josh brand, announced

1181
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,880
Speaker 1: that they would no longer be manufacturing real pork grind strips.

1182
01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,720
Speaker 1: Hog production had changed over the course of the century.

1183
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: Pigs were now going to slutter at six months instead

1184
01:06:13,600 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 1: of two or three years, and the skin of such

1185
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 1: young pigs just wasn't thick enough to produce a quality bait.

1186
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: Everything Miles just said is accurate, But there's another part

1187
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 1: of this story, one that adds even more salt to

1188
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: that already salty bacony goodness. I think it might be

1189
01:06:32,440 --> 01:06:35,640
Speaker 1: fair to say that more tears were shed by Northeast

1190
01:06:35,680 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 1: saltwater anglers when Uncle Josh announced they were done in

1191
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,720
Speaker 1: the hog trade than by large mouth and pike guys. Now,

1192
01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: while the popularity of the pork grind may have ebbed

1193
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 1: and float among sweetwater anglers, Uncle Josh never lost its

1194
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: devout following in the striper's scene. In fact, the pork grind,

1195
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,160
Speaker 1: too many surfcasters, was as staple a piece of kit

1196
01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 1: as their rotten reel. Uncle Josh had two main saltwater offerings,

1197
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: the blackwadow eel and the sea rind, which was introduced

1198
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 1: in the late nineties seventies. The black widows came in

1199
01:07:04,320 --> 01:07:07,720
Speaker 1: several sizes, but the biggest measured nine inches, and that

1200
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:10,600
Speaker 1: one was only available in white and black. Now black

1201
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 1: was arguably the most popular color, and it offered striped

1202
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 1: wranglers an alternative to costly and sometimes hard to procure

1203
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:21,720
Speaker 1: live American eels. Sure there were rubbed reels in the

1204
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,120
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, but none of the move like that

1205
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:28,400
Speaker 1: extra long piece of black pigskin. I never used black

1206
01:07:28,440 --> 01:07:31,480
Speaker 1: widow eels. Those sea rhymes quickly became a necessity for

1207
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 1: me in my twenties when I leveled up my surfcasting

1208
01:07:34,200 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: game and started making runs to Montauk, New York. Here,

1209
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 1: I quickly learned that despite the plethora of soft plastic

1210
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: swim baits on the market, the sharpies, the old timers,

1211
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 1: those guys in the know, they rarely touched those, Just

1212
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: as it had for decades, a plain white bucktail j

1213
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: tipped with a wiggly red pork strip whacked stripers more

1214
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,959
Speaker 1: consistently than most of the new school stuff. I bought

1215
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,680
Speaker 1: a jar of red Sea Rhyns just to my first

1216
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 1: mon Talk trip, and that jar lasted me for many,

1217
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 1: many years, even after like a solid blitz session and

1218
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:10,120
Speaker 1: subsequent use that the Jersey Shore and beyond. Those things

1219
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 1: were tough to destroy. As long as you put them

1220
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 1: back in the jar, they lasted almost forever. In fact,

1221
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: I'd still have that jar if it didn't eventually crack

1222
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:22,920
Speaker 1: causing all the Brian to leak out. And it's a

1223
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: shame that I don't have it, really, because the black

1224
01:08:26,120 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: market for pork rins in the surf scene is still strong.

1225
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,360
Speaker 1: If you're like sitting on a case of Uncle Josh

1226
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 1: pork rinds never used in jars, I mean, that's like

1227
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:40,040
Speaker 1: hitting the eBay lottery. In the years following the bad

1228
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: news from Uncle Josh, companies scrambled to make the next

1229
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:47,720
Speaker 1: pork strip alternative that would capture the market. There were

1230
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: magazine articles, reviews and comparisons written over which one to

1231
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,600
Speaker 1: use now that Uncle Josh was done. But if you

1232
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,040
Speaker 1: read the comments, paid attention on social media every time

1233
01:08:58,040 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: there was a new video of that brand next strip

1234
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: dancing underwater, a bunch of those comments just said I

1235
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 1: want my bacon back. Well, good news, although not for

1236
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:09,880
Speaker 1: the black market pork grind trade. Just a few weeks

1237
01:09:09,920 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 1: ago at I Cast, which is the big fishing industry

1238
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 1: trade show, Uncle Josh flew a banner at their booth

1239
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 1: emblazon with three little words pork is back. We don't

1240
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,240
Speaker 1: even have all the details yet, but it's a greasy

1241
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:30,560
Speaker 1: ray of sunshine busting through that dark cloud of porklessness.

1242
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: So that's it for this week. If you're trying to

1243
01:09:38,240 --> 01:09:40,400
Speaker 1: decide what to send us for our birthday, we prefer

1244
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 1: gift cards. We take one to Denny's so we don't

1245
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,439
Speaker 1: actually have to tap into our budget to pay Bob.

1246
01:09:46,479 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 1: We take one to a nearby hog farm so we

1247
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: can start our own pork grind business in Montauk. We

1248
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:53,320
Speaker 1: take one to a C. Morris we can buy a

1249
01:09:53,360 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: frame for jess ends angsty striper photo. And we'd also

1250
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:58,880
Speaker 1: take one of Blockbuster Video just because it would be

1251
01:09:58,880 --> 01:10:01,800
Speaker 1: a cool keepsake. If you can find one of those

1252
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: out of you, I would have to go on an

1253
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:07,280
Speaker 1: eBay for that. I'll also take your bar nomination sale,

1254
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,880
Speaker 1: but item's awkward photos. Newsy bits and anything else that

1255
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: you want to send to Bent at the meat eater

1256
01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:17,200
Speaker 1: dot com. And in all seriousness, we can't thank all

1257
01:10:17,240 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 1: of you degenerates enough for tuning in. In the past year,

1258
01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 1: we fished with every single one of you guys if

1259
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: we could life