Speaker 1: Look mare, Oh, I see you my own look over
Speaker 1: there is that culture. Yes, goodness, last cult ding Dong,
Speaker 1: last culturistas calling with a big announcement.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, we can finally say the sleuths have
Speaker 2: been getting their magnifying glasses out, smoking from their little pipes.
Speaker 2: Sherlock Holmes.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna have to create a new category rears
Speaker 1: Katie's publicist, finalist Kyles and Trelock Holms.
Speaker 2: No, we're not. That's enough. Yeah, Kyle's I also want
Speaker 2: to just fold into Katie's. Can we just officially fold Kyle's?
Speaker 2: We can't do that? And what do you like? Where
Speaker 2: I like? Four?
Speaker 1: I don't, No, you know what, I can't believe it's
Speaker 1: already this acrimonious. You can come in here, you fly
Speaker 1: in with your big ideas. You're supposed to run this
Speaker 1: by me? Why would Kyles float it? Do you think
Speaker 1: I forced the Kyles through? I wouldn't say that you
Speaker 1: ran it by my ass on me. Well, anyway, we
Speaker 1: can have this discussion.
Speaker 2: But I here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Maybe Kyle should do something to make it so that
Speaker 1: they deserve Kyle's.
Speaker 2: Y'all better hit us up if you want to be
Speaker 2: in the acronym we're talking to you.
Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, later on an episode, when don't
Speaker 1: we bring our guests in? I want to pitch my
Speaker 1: Kyle Richards spinoff. I don't think we need any more
Speaker 1: of her on my television. Well I think you might.
Speaker 1: You might disagree with me when you hear what I
Speaker 1: have to say.
Speaker 2: Is it Kyle Richards does tongue twisters and we can't
Speaker 2: even understand her more. I lost the big old bit. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, I'm just trying to hear. This is
Speaker 2: my cousion.
Speaker 3: I don't like her when she gets emotional, she does
Speaker 3: sort of.
Speaker 2: Actually you know what, No, we do need more Kyle
Speaker 2: Richard's on TV. When you hear my idea for the spinoff,
Speaker 2: you're going to be like, get that girl in her
Speaker 2: twisted tongue light on the screens again. I have such
Speaker 2: a good idea for her.
Speaker 3: Okay speak of Bravo. Yeah, I think it is public now.
Speaker 2: August fifth, The Lost Culture Reece Does Culture Awards will
Speaker 2: be on Bravo and streaming on Peacock the next day.
Speaker 1: Yes, immediately streaming on Peacock. This is gonna be incredible.
Speaker 1: We are filming it in LA. We can't say where,
Speaker 1: we can't say when yet. All this information is gonna
Speaker 1: come out, yes, piece to meal over the next couple
Speaker 1: of months. But yes, it's true. I guess in a way,
Speaker 1: publicist season has begun.
Speaker 2: This means publicist season has begun. That's why it's a
Speaker 2: little bit delayed. Normally we have them in June. Obviously
Speaker 2: the timeline is a little bit sort of shifted down.
Speaker 2: But your work begins now. Yeah, we can officially say we.
Speaker 1: Truly start awards season now, Yes, because that's gonna be
Speaker 1: us August fifth, and then the next month probably what
Speaker 1: three weeks into the month in September is the Emmys
Speaker 1: whatever that is. But we will be first time for
Speaker 1: everyone to start talking about people, things, places, happenings that
Speaker 1: you think need to be called out and shower out.
Speaker 2: Categories will be.
Speaker 1: Announced soon and honies following after, and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a big old show again in LA. We'll say
Speaker 1: more about when later, but August fifth, five, big day.
Speaker 2: We have a Culture Award winner here.
Speaker 1: Yes, cultural Award winner. I was trying to count how
Speaker 1: many times our guest has been on the show. I
Speaker 1: think this is like eight or nine, but then that
Speaker 1: wasn't including all of the sort of iconic I don't
Speaker 1: think so, honey appearances of.
Speaker 2: Course, Oh my god, Gauntlet do Gag? How about Wow, remember.
Speaker 1: The Gauntlet Do Gag where our guests famously said, I
Speaker 1: don't think so, honey. When you far in, a little
Speaker 1: cum comes out in front of my mother, father, and sister,
Speaker 1: thus bringing us all closer.
Speaker 2: And he still didn't even win. He should have though, No,
Speaker 2: well iconically won yeah, and she is. Yes, Rachel Pegram
Speaker 2: did win that Parent Square, But it's like any awards
Speaker 2: show where there's the winners and then there's the people
Speaker 2: that you rigged.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you'd have to take that up with
Speaker 1: our judges for that show, which we're Jrinx Onnston in Alaska.
Speaker 1: Icons Wow, Wow, The Lost Coach really has remained over
Speaker 1: the years.
Speaker 2: It has remained. Real Loss Coach really has.
Speaker 1: Remained over the especially real Coach are number four. Coach
Speaker 1: really has remained over the years. We'll get to work
Speaker 1: on that book soon at some point too. So our
Speaker 1: guest is the host of Bravo Speaking of Love Hotel,
Speaker 1: which airs on Go Ahead.
Speaker 2: And Say It April twenty seven, eight seventh Central after Atlanta, which,
Speaker 2: by the way, Atlanta has been great. I've heard.
Speaker 1: I know that we're going to talk a lot about
Speaker 1: the happenings and housewives right now. Remember we're recording this,
Speaker 1: what is it, April sixteen, so we're about, you know,
Speaker 1: some days behind where we are when this comes out.
Speaker 1: But we're going to give generalized thoughts. This is airing
Speaker 1: the thirtieth. Thank you airing the thirtieth. So listen, everybody.
Speaker 1: You know our guest, We love our guests from the
Speaker 1: film Fire Island and the television show Loot stand Up
Speaker 1: all across America and the world, Australia, Australia, even God.
Speaker 1: It's just like cool it, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Cool it like heading on the Delta must be diamond.
Speaker 1: Well I bet it is. Everyone, please your ears, bister.
Speaker 2: Million miler. Actually, yes, honey, driven to her connecting flight
Speaker 2: on the tarmac on the Porsches.
Speaker 1: You know that is a good perk. But one thing
Speaker 1: is like, you better make sure that you don't have
Speaker 1: your air pods in or else when they call your
Speaker 1: name for that, you're gonna miss it one day.
Speaker 2: No, I just got back from Boston in my little
Speaker 2: pod and left my wallet, no at the airport, and
Speaker 2: it has ruined my life because boy do I not
Speaker 2: have proof of citizenship? WHOA, but in this climate you
Speaker 2: need it. Tough tough stuff, tough stuff. So does that
Speaker 2: where's your passport? I have a passport. But here's the
Speaker 2: thing that is no longer enough. And I have a
Speaker 2: provisionary birth certificate that illinoily issued me because Korea can't
Speaker 2: find mine. Jesus Korea.
Speaker 1: It's actually a little culture number eight, Jesus Korea.
Speaker 2: I was likely stolen, Let's be honest, but honestly, you were.
Speaker 3: You were at the beginning of your life.
Speaker 2: Was a Caper's life was a caper starring George Clooney, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and j Low.
Speaker 3: Imagine if that was out of sight. I've never seen it.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it. Wait, so it's what do you
Speaker 2: mean it's no longer enough? Well, they I literally got
Speaker 2: my real ID with this provisionary birth certificate that Illinois issued,
Speaker 2: but that is no longer They need like the real
Speaker 2: hard copy of it. Now, come on, what do you
Speaker 2: mean now like it in the Yeah, it's because like
Speaker 2: back when I got the real ID a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago, it was all fine and dandy, and I
Speaker 2: did scan my way into getting a replacement real id
Speaker 2: by holding my thumb over the provisionary part of the
Speaker 2: birth certificate. When I got to the death and they
Speaker 2: don't care. The woman in life whatever, I don't think any.
Speaker 3: Of that Express Bridge a million miler, but no.
Speaker 2: The thing is is like the woman in line who
Speaker 2: checked my documents is like, they won't take this. And
Speaker 2: then I got to the desk and of course she
Speaker 2: did right, she didn't. She doesn't care about her job.
Speaker 2: She has no loyalty to the DMB.
Speaker 1: It makes me feel so sad when people so obviously
Speaker 1: don't care about what they do like or like or
Speaker 1: or they're so checked out and hate what they do
Speaker 1: so much. And I just walk away from people like that,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, God, they have to sit there and do.
Speaker 2: That all day? How do we how do we bring
Speaker 2: joy to the world?
Speaker 3: You would rather they be.
Speaker 2: River Vermier's character in.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think the funniest moment in anything, the funniest
Speaker 1: moment of twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Yesli Barnea. That was so fucking that is like, where
Speaker 2: was the no Viola Davis in doubt level no coming
Speaker 2: in and.
Speaker 3: You know this is what I keep saying.
Speaker 1: And now that we're out of Oscar season, no one
Speaker 1: can really take offense because it's all over.
Speaker 2: I have to say.
Speaker 3: The category fraud was worse than ever this year.
Speaker 2: It's so bad.
Speaker 1: We need rules to change the way this is because
Speaker 1: how can we honor the River ramirez is of the
Speaker 1: world and how can we keep honoring the Viola Davises
Speaker 1: of the world?
Speaker 2: Who mind you?
Speaker 1: I will remind you the reason we have Viola Davis
Speaker 1: is because she got an Oscar nomination exctly fourteen second.
Speaker 2: Performing Ariana Grande versus River Ramirez period period until they
Speaker 2: change it, Like are they gonna change it?
Speaker 1: Then Oscar is gonna go gender free because it's they.
Speaker 2: Who has those so far, the Indian Spirits have.
Speaker 1: They have it, The Gothams have it, I believe, like
Speaker 1: a lot of the critics things have it. But not
Speaker 1: all the Golden globes don't. Critics' choice does it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the wave has begun and we are restarting
Speaker 2: the wave here. We're rippling it here.
Speaker 1: Like you know what I think would be fun if
Speaker 1: it's like everyone shows up to the Oscars and no
Speaker 1: one knows who it's just it's a surprise. Five people
Speaker 1: get oscars and it's a total surprise. It's totally random.
Speaker 1: You've said this before and I love it. It's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we're gonna announce one winner.
Speaker 2: Have I told you about the production of Year in
Speaker 2: Time that my college did my senior year before we graduated.
Speaker 2: Now where they they put up the cast list. It
Speaker 2: was just a list of names and we were all
Speaker 2: no cast, no characters. Okay. Everyone was very confused. And
Speaker 2: then we find come to find out that they will
Speaker 2: all be wearing black. I'll be wearing masks, and I'll
Speaker 2: be playing every part, and every night will be different
Speaker 2: wause they will pass the ball quote unquote mid song
Speaker 2: or mid line, mid scene. This is your years old.
Speaker 2: It was one of the worst things I have. I
Speaker 2: was higher life because it's like, I just want to
Speaker 2: see that one bitch you can hit the note writing
Speaker 2: privileged to pee. I just want to see that one
Speaker 2: bit you actually can hit the note. Yes, he was
Speaker 2: set up to fail by being born with a male voice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all were. It's actually a little coature number thirty.
Speaker 1: We were all set up to fail by born.
Speaker 2: With a male voice. A map voice is a curse
Speaker 2: a voice? Who cares what we can sing about? Oh
Speaker 2: my god, it's real. Yeah, so that sounds like your
Speaker 2: production of the Oscars honestly, But I'm not even behind
Speaker 2: the differend. No, I am. I love behind this.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't know how to fix it, but
Speaker 1: it needs to be fixed. I did have a whole
Speaker 1: like rubric with how they could do the lead in
Speaker 1: supporting things. But then I'm just like, I don't know ultimately,
Speaker 1: who cares?
Speaker 2: Right? Where are you finding the time to sit down
Speaker 2: at Google sheet and break there? So you've known me
Speaker 2: what over ten years? You know? You know, I just
Speaker 2: sit here and talk. Where am I finding the time?
Speaker 2: I thought here and now I don't know? But no,
Speaker 2: I am genuinely curious about the same thing of like
Speaker 2: what is your in the day, Like when do you
Speaker 2: find the time to watch videos about universal studios, to
Speaker 2: watch videos about to want to read prognosticators? Like you
Speaker 2: you do have a really wonderful palette in terms of
Speaker 2: your media, you'd but we all three of us sitting
Speaker 2: here know that acting is ninety percent sitting around drinking liquah. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and so like we're at your I'm sure you're in niche.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: And to answer your question and probably actually start a
Speaker 1: conversation about what are specific things that we go online for,
Speaker 1: I have one. I only have like three or four
Speaker 1: little hot online hobbies. And to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: ever since I was a very young gay kid, going
Speaker 1: online and looking what was getting, like the oscar buzz
Speaker 1: and finding out what was happening in the film industry
Speaker 1: was always one of them. So now that I'm like
Speaker 1: in the business, it's it's directly aligns with what my
Speaker 1: online interests always were. And the same is true of
Speaker 1: like me being on roller coaster Tycoon when I was
Speaker 1: a little kid and like wanting to know what was
Speaker 1: going on in that industry. So that's still one of
Speaker 1: my niche interests. But it's like literally real housewives, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what's going on in the theme park industry and what's
Speaker 1: going on in the entertainment industry and when awards season
Speaker 1: kicks up, that really is in high gear. But those
Speaker 1: are my things, and I'm curious, like what your guys's
Speaker 1: things are.
Speaker 2: I especially after this Japan trip, I am like and
Speaker 2: I and you you guys have known this about me,
Speaker 2: but it's it is specifically Final Fantasy game. And I
Speaker 2: am all I've been doing on this press store where
Speaker 2: I'm this way. I just finish press for running Banquet,
Speaker 2: and what I've been doing in between is just playing
Speaker 2: this fucking game, being a botanist, going around the woods,
Speaker 2: collecting tree bark and collecting plants. Are you? Are we
Speaker 2: talking Rebirth No? Seven? Rebirth absolutely one of the best,
Speaker 2: one of the best Final Boss sequences ever.
Speaker 3: But I'm talking about the MMO Final Fantasy fourteen.
Speaker 2: Oh are you? I'm still in that MMO world. I'm
Speaker 2: ten years into this fucking game. I love this game
Speaker 2: so some of the best storytelling period in any medium.
Speaker 2: I am Jonathan Bailey voicing a little cat boy. I've
Speaker 2: always I've always hyped up Jonathan Bailey's performance as Grahatia,
Speaker 2: and I've even told him on the study the Seat
Speaker 2: of Wicked, I said, I just have to tell after.
Speaker 3: He complimented to me is a lyric from Africa.
Speaker 1: It'shatia over my good fucking But first of all, you
Speaker 1: don't know then I think it will be the niche
Speaker 1: culture of people of gamers who are going to die.
Speaker 2: The fact that you have made a lost culture moment
Speaker 2: out of singing the name Grahatiya.
Speaker 1: I just want to say, I sang Grahatia to a
Speaker 1: Lady Gaga and I think ruined that.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, We'll just tray clean it.
Speaker 2: And I love this. It's a really good name. This
Speaker 2: is like it's like only l a that weight just
Speaker 2: feel it? Did you feel it? So this type of fabric,
Speaker 2: this is.
Speaker 1: Just that that that that'll that'll do you guys. Sorry, but
Speaker 1: this is all going in the episode. It's because this
Speaker 1: is a very real human moment of sisters being by
Speaker 1: me and there for me and supporting me when I
Speaker 1: ruined my Todd Slider tanks.
Speaker 2: I can only want to know a l anyway, I
Speaker 2: just want to take well, I I complimented on the
Speaker 2: set of Jonathan Bili's performance a Graha Tea after he
Speaker 2: was so cond inffusive about Fire Island. Yeah, so anyway,
Speaker 2: it just I just that felt like the proper exchange. Okay, Joel,
Speaker 2: what are your Internet? I mean mine right now is
Speaker 2: literally YouTube essays about movie projects that never happened.
Speaker 3: Be Kin rewind kind of wine, Henry Wine is one
Speaker 3: of them.
Speaker 2: Boats and Blockbusters is the one that I'm really into
Speaker 2: and and quite frankly, hours and hours and hours of
Speaker 2: Marvel Rivals. Oh really, I am playing so deep into
Speaker 2: Marvel Rivals and watching YouTube videos. All that do in
Speaker 2: my trailer is watch YouTube videos about Marvel Rivals. Explain
Speaker 2: because I have not did my tone in Marvel warl
Speaker 2: it is it's overwatched. But with marvels and I never
Speaker 2: played Overwatch. I never played any of these kinds of
Speaker 2: games before, because it seems like I need a game
Speaker 2: that has an end point, otherwise it will happen. What
Speaker 2: what has happened to me with Marvel Rivals, which is
Speaker 2: I have consumed I've played over two hundred hours of
Speaker 2: this game since December. The last four large arguments that
Speaker 2: I have gotten in it's my fiance about this game.
Speaker 2: What are the arguments that are well, just me get
Speaker 2: him hilted, like fly, like getting in a losing streak
Speaker 2: and wanting and like getting so angry, and he's like,
Speaker 2: you can't this is a game. And then and then you're.
Speaker 1: Not having a sports team and yelling at and your
Speaker 1: wife JM being like I can't live like that?
Speaker 2: Are you exactly? And he and it's so ironic because
Speaker 2: he's he loves he's a video game producer. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know you understands. He understands, but like, and he's
Speaker 2: wanted me to get into games. You know, we've played
Speaker 2: games together a lot, but like this kind of game
Speaker 2: for a minute, and then I did, and it's turned
Speaker 2: into something quite Yes, the slope was slippery or then
Speaker 2: you thought, can I ask not to reveal too much
Speaker 2: about Jam? Well not people know this about j. Would
Speaker 2: it be different if you played Legal Legends? No, okay,
Speaker 2: because because Jam is associated, Yes, he wors it, right,
Speaker 2: but like I don't think he definitely doesn't care what
Speaker 2: it is, Yeah, what it is? Okay.
Speaker 3: He probably thinks it's beautiful the game you love?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he I mean he plays himself too, but
Speaker 2: like that's the problem. Is like we're directly playing this game,
Speaker 2: and he is so much better in video games than
Speaker 2: I am. And it's this first time where I'm like
Speaker 2: we've never we we never compete, but like there is
Speaker 2: like you get ranked in this game. Oh that and
Speaker 2: your ranking it's like do I It's like I cannot
Speaker 2: stand that he is a higher ranked than me? How
Speaker 2: much higher? Like a fair amount? Like it's gotten to
Speaker 2: the point where we can't play together because he's he's
Speaker 2: in a different tier. He's in a different tier than
Speaker 2: I don't understand why how professional athletes are friends with
Speaker 2: each other, because that is a thing, a system where
Speaker 2: you are. There was a value system literally at least
Speaker 2: at least it's an objective standard. I mean, the fact
Speaker 2: that we're all still friends, quite frankly, is ridiculous. If
Speaker 2: there was a numerical system that ranked.
Speaker 1: As though they do, I mean they do, but publishing
Speaker 1: it currently as we speak, no, but that's that's not real.
Speaker 1: I always know where I stand when there's an announcement
Speaker 1: about the podcast and it's like Chapel Roane was on
Speaker 1: Bowen Yank's podcast Culture. I always remember that I'm like
Speaker 1: down here in fifty four and we're sitting here with.
Speaker 3: Three and three is a chasm away from two.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's talk about it then. Who's one and two
Speaker 2: right now?
Speaker 1: I think Jonathan's probably one, and I would say number
Speaker 1: two is is McKellen, Matt Bomer, Andrews, Andrews gott Gott
Speaker 1: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: Three.
Speaker 3: Famous, I'm not three. Let's speak very weekly.
Speaker 2: You don't have, you don't have the third most viral
Speaker 2: moment from the fucking Academy Awards. Yeah, let's not three
Speaker 2: three and that. Yeah, and let's talk about your performance
Speaker 2: in the Wedding.
Speaker 1: Wait, if you haven't seen seen the Wedding bank ut twice.
Speaker 1: It's so good. It's it's fantastic. It's in theaters, it's
Speaker 1: in theaters and key crushes. Yeah, it's so good. It's
Speaker 1: a great passing of the ball. I mean, it's you know,
Speaker 1: we're talking here, my friends are being sweetheart angels and
Speaker 1: that that's weird.
Speaker 2: But no, Bone, you're so incredible in it everybody, and
Speaker 2: like you're literally next to fucking Lily Gladstone. And can
Speaker 2: I tell you I told her this at the premier
Speaker 2: the other night. I took her hands in mind and
Speaker 2: I said, we know you can act, mama, but I
Speaker 2: did not know you could make me laugh, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: I did not know you could land the joke. And
Speaker 2: that's a riot games right, there's a riot. She is
Speaker 2: a riot.
Speaker 1: She gives her like a sweet, soulful performance. I love
Speaker 1: Kelly Murray Tramp.
Speaker 2: Kelly Mury tranp will I hope, I hope that this
Speaker 2: is like her Phoenix rising Reavers. I love yeah, because
Speaker 2: the way these fucking geeks and nerds and losers and
Speaker 2: in cells treated that woman. Oh yeah during STARp and
Speaker 2: the infrastructure of Disney and Star Wars not protecting. And
Speaker 2: what I find to be the perfect sort of inversion
Speaker 2: of that is that she felt that she was given
Speaker 2: time and space to come out as queer. Like she
Speaker 2: did this Vanity Fair interview and she like kind of
Speaker 2: in it, like kind of blurted out that she was
Speaker 2: like excited to make a movie as a queer person.
Speaker 2: This a queer movie as a queer person. She's like, wait, oh,
Speaker 2: I've never told anyone that before Publicly, They the journalist
Speaker 2: David Canfield Bless and the producers of the movie were like,
Speaker 2: we're going to hold the story until you decide what
Speaker 2: you want to do with this. And then she came out,
Speaker 2: made that decision and then has felt nothing but love
Speaker 2: and support ever since. And I'm like, that is the
Speaker 2: perfect panacea to that crazy, crazy experience of Star Wars,
Speaker 2: which I'm like, now it just seems like it's not
Speaker 2: quaint in retrospect at all. That is, it's still it
Speaker 2: still remains crazy to me in terms of that scale
Speaker 2: and that outreach. But I'm like we've all kind of
Speaker 2: experienced that here in some degree too, where I'm like, God,
Speaker 2: what is and this is the thing that that's the
Speaker 2: thing that Matt has said. It's like it's bad. The
Speaker 2: culture is bad because the political climate sucks, and therefore
Speaker 2: people exercise any kind of controller will over the culture,
Speaker 2: over what they consume. And so I'm like, I'm so
Speaker 2: glad Kelly has this moment to come out of that
Speaker 2: and be like, Oh, now I know what it's like
Speaker 2: to be like held and loved for who I am.
Speaker 1: She's really fantastic in the movie, like and and it's
Speaker 1: also like I was I did the Q and A. Well,
Speaker 1: there was like a special screening last night. I did
Speaker 1: a Q and A with Andrew and the cast. Then
Speaker 1: one thing that I was noticing is she's got so
Speaker 1: many individual relationships to places really like it's a true ensemble,
Speaker 1: but she is the lead.
Speaker 2: Andrew is such a fucking wonderful collaborators. He allows every
Speaker 2: performer to put so much And I can tell I
Speaker 2: just know knowing him and having worked with all of
Speaker 2: you two. Like I was watching the movie and I
Speaker 2: was like, well that's Bowen. Yeah, that was you know,
Speaker 2: and like that like there's a there's a beautiful silent
Speaker 2: moment between the Lee Gladstone and that came so great Andrew,
Speaker 2: you know, collaborated with them. This scene that has no dialogue,
Speaker 2: that is one of the most beautiful scenes and that
Speaker 2: came from them, And like and the fact that Andrew
Speaker 2: allows space for that in his films. I mean you
Speaker 2: you guys remember Mare Island was just sort of like
Speaker 2: there was so.
Speaker 1: Much connective tissue there. And one thing I was noticing
Speaker 1: is like the theme and like this of polaroid pictures
Speaker 1: and family photos. Like my compliment to him that I'll
Speaker 1: say now on the podcast, because I feel like I
Speaker 1: could walk into the house of the wedding banquet, because
Speaker 1: the house where they live is also a character. And
Speaker 1: I say that and not an annoying section in the
Speaker 1: city is like the city of the Fifth Woman way,
Speaker 1: which is what I just mean, Like the house is
Speaker 1: this like beautiful landmark, but it's more than that. I
Speaker 1: feel like I could walk into that house and know
Speaker 1: where everything is. Yeah, And I feel like as a director,
Speaker 1: his sense of place and his sense of like community
Speaker 1: within an environment is so strong, and he's so he's
Speaker 1: so gifted at creating atmosphere.
Speaker 2: Can I say, though, Matt, Unfortunately, like intent doesn't always
Speaker 2: relate to impact. So you're saying you're not you're saying
Speaker 2: it not to be annoying, does it? But unfortunately we
Speaker 2: get to the side was it annoying or not? No? Personally,
Speaker 2: can I say to you that I had a really
Speaker 2: emotional moment when I went to the premiere and the
Speaker 2: big poster was on the screen and it was the
Speaker 2: first time I'd ever seen from the director of Fire Island. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I feels like I was like, oh, that that is
Speaker 2: kind of forever for a sect, well at least like
Speaker 2: it's still alive in that way, and there's like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, a legacy now like our our movies, our
Speaker 2: sisters like yeah, but it's that It's that that quote
Speaker 2: in the studio and that pile of the studio that
Speaker 2: Catherine O'Hara says, where it's like, if you make a
Speaker 2: great movie, it's great forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, That's that's the beauty
Speaker 3: of film.
Speaker 2: And let me I'm gonna say this and I don't
Speaker 2: care we're masturbating. I don't care that we're resting, but
Speaker 2: like somebody posted a photo of a bootleg DVD that
Speaker 2: they had created a Fire Island, and I reposted it
Speaker 2: and everyone thought I was mad about them. No, baby,
Speaker 2: please bootleg the film. Okay, I need physical media. Yeah,
Speaker 2: we actually do need physical I'm like the way it's
Speaker 2: living on streaming and like at the whims of Disney
Speaker 2: and whatever tax breaks they might be looking for at
Speaker 2: any given moment. Yeap, it is so scary to be that.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I need you all to disseminate the like
Speaker 2: it would be currency in the New world.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I actually did, like, not not recently,
Speaker 1: but not a long time ago, like someone I hadn't
Speaker 1: even thought about it. I love that for you in
Speaker 1: a while, but I was like, you know what, it's
Speaker 1: been like a couple of years since I've watched it.
Speaker 1: Let me just like watch it. I was with a
Speaker 1: couple of friends. Now you can't even watch it. You
Speaker 1: have to buy it on iTunes, you can't stream it.
Speaker 1: They did write it off as a tax that's crazy,
Speaker 1: and you can't watch it anywhere. They did such great
Speaker 1: work and then it gets written off like a fucking
Speaker 1: tax right off. And then all the time now in
Speaker 1: the era of streaming, which I guess we thought we
Speaker 1: really had it good there for a while because we did.
Speaker 2: I mean, Netflix, thank you so much for completely changing
Speaker 2: the contours of our entire industry for the worst in
Speaker 2: many ways, and also please buy my shit.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like, I guess if it hadn't been them,
Speaker 1: it would have been something.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like that's that's I guess. The thing is, it's
Speaker 1: like that's the way the industry was going to change.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: What I was thinking about the other day was the
Speaker 1: quibi of it all, Like quibi like failed so spectacularly,
Speaker 1: Like we we both had shows like like launch with it,
Speaker 1: but the idea wasn't wrong.
Speaker 2: No, because listen, my boyfriend works for a Chinese own
Speaker 2: company and has meetings with China over there all the time,
Speaker 2: and and TikTok and China is much different than TikTok
Speaker 2: over here in some ways, because all they're doing is
Speaker 2: creating now narrative content that is broken down into five
Speaker 2: to ten minute chunks every time a quick bites, and
Speaker 2: it's taking off like wildfire in China, and it will
Speaker 2: be modeled over here eventually. He was just too early
Speaker 2: and I think the pandemic kind of well, the pandemic certainly,
Speaker 2: the lack of ability to make stuff viral really was
Speaker 2: really what killed it. The lack of that was a
Speaker 2: cute I remember.
Speaker 1: I remember we had to completely game show, had to
Speaker 1: completely rely on like what the social was.
Speaker 2: And I was like, sure, like you don't know what's
Speaker 2: taken screenshots of a Honey.
Speaker 1: Wasn't even born at the time. There was no ever
Speaker 1: ross cats, just stuff.
Speaker 2: That's how K dramas are too. Apparently, because was saying, fantastic,
Speaker 2: She's so huge, fine, huge, fine, like so good, what
Speaker 2: a revelation. I know, amazing.
Speaker 1: I was saying, like one of my favorite moments of
Speaker 1: the whole movie is, well, this is a spoiler, but
Speaker 1: there's a moment of like pure ex pure joy and
Speaker 1: euphoria that he has towards the end of the movie.
Speaker 2: Future legend, so sweet. But he he comes from this
Speaker 2: whole pedigree of K dramas where they just it's it's
Speaker 2: it's basically a movie. It's like what Fire Island would
Speaker 2: have been on Quibbi, but they break it down into
Speaker 2: like these like two minute episodes. It's really that is
Speaker 2: the future in a Stereotte.
Speaker 1: They were without a like I I genuinely believe that
Speaker 1: one of the reasons why we even talk about all
Speaker 1: of these things is because there was a piece of
Speaker 1: content to launch it, like with Netflix, Like the reason
Speaker 1: why they became a prestige streamer was because of House
Speaker 1: of Cards and then Orangers the New Box Little and
Speaker 1: the reason why.
Speaker 2: We talk about in spacey out the door, Yes.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's coming in. And then like even HBO,
Speaker 1: like the Sopranos and Sex and the City like made HBO.
Speaker 1: So it's Quibbi was without a flagship piece of content. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because they went for you know, and this is not
Speaker 1: even the drag what we were doing, but like stuff
Speaker 1: that felt like quick bites.
Speaker 2: No. And the thing is, though, I will say, is
Speaker 2: they took big swings. Like no one wanted to buy
Speaker 2: Fire Island. No one before it was a completed project
Speaker 2: at Quibi, right, no one wanted that, no one would
Speaker 2: touch it. Yeah, And there was originally a quick bite yeah,
Speaker 2: and then they were the only ones who were really
Speaker 2: who really believed in it as a project and like yeah,
Speaker 2: so I I oh, jeffre Yatson break by.
Speaker 1: I remember I remember walking from the our games to
Speaker 1: the office that Dave and I shared at the at
Speaker 1: Jack's over to your office and watching Joel put like
Speaker 1: the the index cards up on the board and they
Speaker 1: had the Fire Island plot points. Wow, when he was
Speaker 1: still creating it as like a ten episode.
Speaker 2: I mean it didn't change much from Quibi by the
Speaker 2: Way to us, Like I basically just took out the
Speaker 2: act breaks and like squeezed it together and made it
Speaker 2: one big long script.
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, it didn't really change. But they would
Speaker 1: have made you cast like George Clooney as Conrad.
Speaker 2: No. We I mean we basically had like a full
Speaker 2: cast off like Boone was always attached to it, like
Speaker 2: I think you probably were, even because we were getting
Speaker 2: ready to film.
Speaker 3: I remember who my Charlie was. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was like it was like we were
Speaker 2: there and then I don't know, it just it all changed.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait, because did you now did you see I
Speaker 1: fa I think it was like Gay Times or something,
Speaker 1: and now it was like talking about the Fire Island sequel.
Speaker 2: I want this he was. He was pushed in the
Speaker 2: interview about the sequel, and I think he was forced
Speaker 2: to give an answer, and then they of course ran
Speaker 2: with it. Yeah, no, I know we've all been sucked
Speaker 2: over by had Like I think everyone has been asked
Speaker 2: about that. I'm not really that mad about it. But
Speaker 2: the thing is, it's like it's just it's not happening.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about legally blonde two, honey, let's talk about
Speaker 2: three reality.
Speaker 1: First of all, blonde, we we we can we can skip.
Speaker 3: It because now there's going to be another one. Yeah,
Speaker 3: is the real Yeah?
Speaker 2: No, But it's just like, let's talk about successful comedy sequels,
Speaker 2: especially rom com sequels. I think people think they want
Speaker 2: to see it, but they don't actually want to see it.
Speaker 2: Like I think what I want to do and what
Speaker 2: will scratch? That's the rare sequel that approves. But like
Speaker 2: I think, like I just want to cast the same
Speaker 2: fucking people in the same movie, do Christopher guest and
Speaker 2: just have like my okay, so do it and you'll
Speaker 2: be hearing from my Oh that's what I had heard.
Speaker 1: No, I mean, listen, I do still think Fire Island
Speaker 1: two Provincetown is a funny title, but I mean, but there.
Speaker 2: Was that summer we were workshipping a lot of ideas
Speaker 2: about how to like, how do how do they like
Speaker 2: reintroduce dex Like's character. Yeah, and I also had.
Speaker 1: An idea that me and Thomas's podcast exploded and we
Speaker 1: were rich and so that that was kind of a
Speaker 1: grifter and dating me for my money my huge podcast.
Speaker 2: I can't remember whose idea what it was that we
Speaker 2: just cast him as a different character and we're like, it,
Speaker 2: doesn't he look like everything guy?
Speaker 1: But Wickham remains in the story that Zay Phillips looks
Speaker 1: like every gay guy is crazy.
Speaker 2: He certainly does know. He certainly doesn't. Sweetheart, sweet gonna
Speaker 2: be well, no, I shoul you know. But but he's
Speaker 2: but there, there's gonna be a little re union, you know.
Speaker 2: We we might be working together the other night. I
Speaker 2: love such good end, such good ende, so funny, so nice,
Speaker 2: and it's so annoying. It's so annoying to look like
Speaker 2: that and to be smart and charming and nice and
Speaker 2: truly negative creature reader a not not capital R reader
Speaker 2: literally literature.
Speaker 1: He was always reading on set. He was always I
Speaker 1: remember my images in my image of Zay will always
Speaker 1: be I would go come out of my trailer and
Speaker 1: we would have like this like bench area where would
Speaker 1: always say it and he would be eating his chicken,
Speaker 1: drinking a hot coffee and doing the word yeah. And
Speaker 1: that was always his.
Speaker 2: And that's who he is on the inside. Ignore what
Speaker 2: you're saying on the outside, honey, because that is not him.
Speaker 2: That's not that is not him.
Speaker 3: It gets easier when you're around him a long time.
Speaker 2: No, it does, I will say, though, like it is
Speaker 2: genuinely like I remember filming our meat cu moment in
Speaker 2: the movie and being humiliated. It's like what and what
Speaker 2: will happen now he's in la. This has happened three
Speaker 2: or four times. It is so infuriating. Will be at
Speaker 2: one of these like stupid gay parties and some guy
Speaker 2: will like come up Andy, Like We'll be standing in
Speaker 2: a clumb next to his ay and he'll introduce himself
Speaker 2: and be like, Hi, I'm Joel, and like he'll go
Speaker 2: around the line and get get Desayane and be like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, you're the guy from Fire Island and
Speaker 2: I'm like standing there paid fucking dust and I am
Speaker 2: like it is. I was like I fucking made you
Speaker 2: and I will brought you into this world. Wait, wait,
Speaker 2: let's just speak on this because I experienced this recently
Speaker 2: of getting the nerves when you're acting with the hot person.
Speaker 2: Oh not that it doesn't, it happens all the time,
Speaker 2: but certain people really fuck your shut up. Where I
Speaker 2: was like John Ham was hosting us, and now I
Speaker 2: was just like huh, like we were playing a couple,
Speaker 2: and I was just like, wait, I'm scared, like this
Speaker 2: is like this is like I'm this is He's there's
Speaker 2: no reason to no reason to feel nervous around him,
Speaker 2: just such a wonderful person. But I was just like, wait,
Speaker 2: but you're so first of all, you're Don Draper, second
Speaker 2: of all, you're so handsome. Third of all, you're so funny,
Speaker 2: like like just so many wonderful things about that man,
Speaker 2: and sometimes it it knocks me off my center. It
Speaker 2: knocks me. For me, I was just and like, trust me,
Speaker 2: I've seen what people have said about it, like of
Speaker 2: course this guy cast this guy to be like uh no,
Speaker 2: to make out with whatever, but like no, you do
Speaker 2: think you do take yourself out of it a little bit,
Speaker 2: and suddenly those little you're inner saboteur comes knocking behind
Speaker 2: and you're like, what are people going to say when
Speaker 2: they see this? Right? You know, but it's not even that.
Speaker 2: It's just like there's something in the space of acting
Speaker 2: with someone where you're just like, oh, I mean I
Speaker 2: genuinely thought that way. The reason we cast Conrad is
Speaker 2: because Conrad made me get in our chemistry. I was
Speaker 2: so flustered because he is such a vibe, like I mean,
Speaker 2: a hot man, like on paper just physically pictures, yes,
Speaker 2: it reads he's very hot. But then you get with
Speaker 2: him and like that close to him, and it's just
Speaker 2: like the nerves are like it's crazy because he is
Speaker 2: so charismatic and such a vibe and like gravitational feeling distorted.
Speaker 2: He's great. I want nothing for the best for all
Speaker 2: of you, except for one person I want. No, it
Speaker 2: wasn't you. Is this real? No? No, No, Everyone's family.
Speaker 2: Everyone's family.
Speaker 1: The chain is alive for birthdays, the chain is alive
Speaker 1: for when someone.
Speaker 2: Runs in ex Yeah true, I will say. So. We
Speaker 2: were briefly evacuated during the La fires. John Michael was like,
Speaker 2: we should the night before and I live in an
Speaker 2: area that is normally not affected by fires at all,
Speaker 2: and he was like, we should pack go bags and
Speaker 2: I was like okay, like thinking this is never going
Speaker 2: to affect me. I don't need to do this. So
Speaker 2: I just packed to go back with my passport and
Speaker 2: my uh social Security card, which apparently is not enough. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask no and nothing else. And then
Speaker 2: the next day I drived San Diego for a gig
Speaker 2: and I get the evacuation noticed and he said, don't worry, baby,
Speaker 2: I grabbed your go back before we went, and I went,
Speaker 2: but did you look inside of it? And he said no,
Speaker 2: why would I you need to? And of course this
Speaker 2: is this is an impasse that you get to with
Speaker 2: your partner where you're like, I'm mad at you, but
Speaker 2: I know I have no I have no standing legally
Speaker 2: in a court of law. I have no standing. You
Speaker 2: told me to pack the bag. I did not pack
Speaker 2: any underwear, toiletrees or anything. So he just grabbed an
Speaker 2: empty and he just grabbed the empty bag. But what
Speaker 2: he did decide in the moment of panic to grab
Speaker 2: was the glad Award and the gothmain Ward, oh the Cudestic,
Speaker 2: because he was like, he was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just like maybe you might want these, like something,
Speaker 2: this is so funny. Not any underwear or toothpaste up, sorry,
Speaker 2: but like we do sit at home alone and play
Speaker 2: the newly went game. Just to practice, because just practice,
Speaker 2: because the and the and the real strategy here is
Speaker 2: it's not about answering what you really feel. It's about
Speaker 2: answering how you think your partner will answer. It's mentalism.
Speaker 3: I was going to say, it's a mentalist.
Speaker 2: There was a mentalist at the screening last night, and
Speaker 2: he blew my mind. Anyway, we'll keep talking about.
Speaker 1: This, no irene, no no, no no no wait wait
Speaker 1: but no, I was not going to say, because like
Speaker 1: he he he knows that if someone asked, what is
Speaker 1: Shole's favorite movie?
Speaker 2: Obviously that's a ridiculous question, a crazy who has it?
Speaker 2: Like if you have a favorite movie? I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 2: like grow up. But he knows the answer is my
Speaker 2: best friend's wedding. Yeah, answer for him. Ist versus the world.
Speaker 2: And so now when.
Speaker 1: You're put in the situation where you have to play
Speaker 1: the newlywed game, you know, speaking of being awed, do
Speaker 1: you have something?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I think you have something to ask Chure Awards.
Speaker 2: Here's the real announcement for the pod. Here's the real thing.
Speaker 2: I was not brought on to promote Love Hotel. I
Speaker 2: was not brought on to anything else. I was brought
Speaker 2: on for this announcement and this announcement alone after after
Speaker 2: years away that these two let's get textile, textile, don't
Speaker 2: forget me in the circle Bowen Yang and Matt Rogers
Speaker 2: are in. Can we say what we're planning on doing,
Speaker 2: not when, not when, but for the for the NOLA,
Speaker 2: we're doing joint bachelor parties, separate houses, so smart, separate house,
Speaker 2: separate houses, and then we've joined together for one night.
Speaker 2: The rest of the time we just get to be
Speaker 2: for the last time with our friends before we'd never
Speaker 2: see before. You can never sleep with anyone again. I yeah,
Speaker 2: I know, I'm really excited. You know, we're not finding
Speaker 2: out what the other person is wearing to the wedding
Speaker 2: until the day of Well that's beautiful. And what's happening
Speaker 2: is my stylist is coordinating that we don't look insane
Speaker 2: and then also coordinating with whatever you guys, cause it's
Speaker 2: sort of going to be like a free free for all,
Speaker 2: like un he will just like I will send you
Speaker 2: like color palette and just like live within that world.
Speaker 2: But like, yeah, I'm not I'm not gonna be precious
Speaker 2: about like everyone where everyone thank you, because my my
Speaker 2: big ripe, biggest scripe with weddings is there's such a
Speaker 2: single use fashion right to it.
Speaker 3: It's like a wardship. It's like, oh, what do you mean,
Speaker 3: I can only wear this once?
Speaker 2: You know, thank you for so we can like go
Speaker 2: from our own you can pull from the closets. Are
Speaker 2: you thinking? I don't know yet he wants me to
Speaker 2: do the mood board because it's I kind of wanted
Speaker 2: to be like, well, obviously like he's gonna probably wear
Speaker 2: white and I'll probably wear black because I and the
Speaker 2: boy and he's a girl, but I I do sort
Speaker 2: of and this was this actually came to mind watching
Speaker 2: your film, is I would love to reference situational Korean
Speaker 2: wedding wedding outfit, but like not not the full giche,
Speaker 2: but like some embroidery, it's something that's something that is
Speaker 2: like a reference to that because I do want to
Speaker 2: have that in my way, you know. Yeah. So that's
Speaker 2: sort of where I'm at right now, and we'll see what.
Speaker 2: I have no idea what that boy is planning for it,
Speaker 2: but again I will becoming in a traditional HM box
Speaker 2: hand bo I say it wrong, No, no, it's you
Speaker 2: said it. You said a great you say everything perfectly.
Speaker 3: I think I would slay them.
Speaker 2: Yes, gosh. But you know, Kim, she at the premiere,
Speaker 2: I got to tell her to her face, is like,
Speaker 2: your ball challenge is still absolutely your football challenge is legendary,
Speaker 2: still one of the best. Drag Race.
Speaker 1: Premiere slation, Diva slation, the premiere she's making, let's jo up.
Speaker 1: I have to say, I didn't watch this last season.
Speaker 2: We can talk about it. It feels less urgent to
Speaker 2: watch it, I would agree, and yet also more in
Speaker 2: a weird way. Well, the ratings keeps, you know, it's
Speaker 2: feeling more and more distant for me. I mean I
Speaker 2: still watch it live when I can, when I have
Speaker 2: the chance, but it is like it does feel less
Speaker 2: like urgent like I used to be, like if I
Speaker 2: am not there seeing it like in that moment, like
Speaker 2: I am offline, I am not, you know, like so
Speaker 2: scared of spoilers, and now it just doesn't feel it
Speaker 2: doesn't feel honestly quite as much for us. Do you
Speaker 2: want to know why?
Speaker 1: It's because here's what it was for for us, and
Speaker 1: this is why we really loved it. Obviously, the queens
Speaker 1: were incredible and they were all like aspirational and older
Speaker 1: than us and smarter, Like it felt like they were
Speaker 1: funnier and smarter than us. Not to say the girls
Speaker 1: aren't giving now, but we're literally older than everyone watching
Speaker 1: the k And also another thing is we were watching
Speaker 1: at it at a time when it was very community
Speaker 1: building for us, you.
Speaker 2: Know what I mean, at a gay bar, got older
Speaker 2: and and the show is just unfortunately, like I'm really
Speaker 2: excited for people to discover the show in the later
Speaker 2: seasons because unfortunately, I think what has happened is that
Speaker 2: you see these queens and they're they're all very talented.
Speaker 2: And this is not to take away, but it has
Speaker 2: become sort of like, oh, that's your that's Jinks. Yes,
Speaker 2: that's just New Jinks. Yeah, that's just her, And that's
Speaker 2: like giving someone and that's like, that's why Simon actually
Speaker 2: is my favorite of the New Reason I would agree
Speaker 2: Simone feels like she created a new arch lane archetype
Speaker 2: for herself and and that and I don't know that
Speaker 2: any of the other Reason winners have quite done that
Speaker 2: in quite a direct way. They're all wonderful. I love them.
Speaker 2: A huge Anympia fan, huge Willow fan. Yeah, like all
Speaker 2: of the amazing but that's not to take away from that,
Speaker 2: but like, let's be honest. When we went to drag Con,
Speaker 2: drag race is for and this is not a pejorative,
Speaker 2: no drag races for Katie's.
Speaker 3: I thought you were gonna say kids, no, no, no, And
Speaker 3: I will say, like it did become like it.
Speaker 1: It was interesting because now I'm like, now with everything
Speaker 1: changing again, I'm like, because I remember we were at
Speaker 1: the DragCon promoting Fire Island and there were so many children,
Speaker 1: and now it's like they're really trying to divorce drag
Speaker 1: and you know, queer identity at all from like exposure
Speaker 1: to kids or whatever. And I'm like, how can you
Speaker 1: not say this is a positive thing, even if me
Speaker 1: as like a true faggot who like misses when there
Speaker 1: was lube commercials on logo watching drag Race, you know,
Speaker 1: I do miss that like rawness of it and the
Speaker 1: aspirational quality of what they were doing in terms of
Speaker 1: like I'm entering into the queer community and learning so
Speaker 1: much about this. I still was there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: you know what, these kids are empowered to be anything
Speaker 1: they want to be, and there was nothing weird about it.
Speaker 1: There was something ugly about it. There was nothing sexual
Speaker 1: about it, which is what they're trying to like make
Speaker 1: it all seem like it's like a grooming center, and
Speaker 1: it's like it was nothing to do with that. It
Speaker 1: was only empowering. Even if I felt like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: for kids now and straight people now, it's still felt like, well,
Speaker 1: we won in the fact that like this is mainstream culture.
Speaker 2: And to say like it's not urgent watching for like
Speaker 2: the three of us, it's not to say that it's
Speaker 2: not an urgently like no one is happier than trump
Speaker 2: On than Paul Charles, Okay, because the show it has
Speaker 2: made the show so important, so so important and just
Speaker 2: you know, allegedly, but it is it is sort of
Speaker 2: like I don't want to talk about the state of
Speaker 2: the world really on this, Let's keep it light, but
Speaker 2: like it does make this show. You watch these shows
Speaker 2: and we're so disensitized to it because we've so we've like.
Speaker 3: Been lucky to have seen it, to see it exactly.
Speaker 2: But like, you know, it's exciting that this is this
Speaker 2: continues to skyrocket and will continue to be an outlet
Speaker 2: for these kids. But the other thing that makes it
Speaker 2: hard to watch sometimes is that it drastically altered the
Speaker 2: landscape of what dragon the real Yeah, and it created
Speaker 2: an entire cottage industry that did not exist right, right,
Speaker 2: that did not exist for drag queens before. The model
Speaker 2: of what a working drag queen now looks like is
Speaker 2: so different from what it looked like back, you know,
Speaker 2: even ten to fifteen years ago.
Speaker 1: But that's even changed back in the last couple of years,
Speaker 1: as like spaces close, as like laws start getting put
Speaker 1: into place.
Speaker 2: The show is very important, and I'm I have enjoyed
Speaker 2: the hell out of this season actually, Like I just
Speaker 2: remember Alyssa and Tatiana lip syncing and watching that live
Speaker 2: in a gay bar, like and the people reacting like
Speaker 2: you could just it was so utter joy y, you know,
Speaker 2: and like I just I enjoy getting together with my
Speaker 2: friends and watching it is a very nice communal Friday ritual.
Speaker 2: But it just like I feel ten thousand years old totally.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the reason why like Survivors development cycle,
Speaker 2: and it's the way that has aged over time. Is well,
Speaker 2: they're facing a very similar problem in that the contestants
Speaker 2: now are so aware of the meta totally the world
Speaker 2: outside of they're so concerned about what the narrative is
Speaker 2: going to be. Yeah, and they know the game so
Speaker 2: well that they and actually all credit to queens like
Speaker 2: Corey King, who said in an interview she worded everything
Speaker 2: in those confessionals so that they would have to use her. Oh,
Speaker 2: was like, I know, the real winner of this show
Speaker 2: is who wins the confessional queen of the season. And
Speaker 2: to be honest, Corey was like fourth or fifth out,
Speaker 2: but one of the most memorable queens and has had
Speaker 2: such a like I think was number one on cameo
Speaker 2: for a while like afterwards and has like become like
Speaker 2: sort of like the winner of the season game. So yeah,
Speaker 2: she's and she knew going in how to do that,
Speaker 2: and I all credit to her, all like love and
Speaker 2: power to her. But it is also like it makes
Speaker 2: it less about the show about the show, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just like if it's like a different game than
Speaker 2: it was when when you know what I was gonna
Speaker 2: say about Survivor though, is that like that can age
Speaker 2: in a way that like somewhat linear, like more people
Speaker 2: like discover the show and retroactively get into it. But
Speaker 2: it's like no one was ever really going to bars
Speaker 2: to like meet up with their friends to watch Survivor necessarily,
Speaker 2: which is.
Speaker 1: Weird because you know what, now, actually they are. We
Speaker 1: didn't even go to Top tonight to watch it. They
Speaker 1: have a great watch party that I do every week.
Speaker 2: And what I'm saying, like with Root, with drag Race
Speaker 2: starting out like that and now with that dissipating as
Speaker 2: people get older, as people don't go out as much,
Speaker 2: with COVID whatever, like yeah, all these reasons, it's like
Speaker 2: it has lost some of that binding agent. And that's
Speaker 2: and that's not the show's fault.
Speaker 1: But Survivor is funny because like, Survivor is huge with
Speaker 1: nerds and gaze, Yeah, nerds and Gaze, and that is
Speaker 1: who was reflected in the casting too, and gay nerds
Speaker 1: like and I can't sometimes I get lost watching it
Speaker 1: because these people know the game so well.
Speaker 2: It's so they have to throw eight million twists into
Speaker 2: every episode.
Speaker 1: And you if you don't watch it with your full brain,
Speaker 1: you you missed.
Speaker 2: It can't be ambient.
Speaker 3: It can't be a drags can be ambient, which I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh, I mean the way I will
Speaker 2: put on I've watched certain seasons of Drag Race, like
Speaker 2: dozens of times probably at this point because it is
Speaker 2: just like.
Speaker 3: Season eight, season nine.
Speaker 2: Seas, you know, like the All Star season is also
Speaker 2: really exciting, I mean really excited about this insane Survivor
Speaker 2: esque all Star season that's about to come out.
Speaker 3: Wait, what is that?
Speaker 2: I'm not sure of Dragers, I don't I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how much has been announced, but it's eighteen queens. And
Speaker 2: I will say that the format, from what I have
Speaker 2: read the scuttle online is is that the format might
Speaker 2: mirror a certain other reality.
Speaker 1: Okay, did you see Bob the Drag Queen was like
Speaker 1: All Stars for losers? Damn yeah, Bob the Drag Queen.
Speaker 2: But like Bob is one of the few winners or
Speaker 2: queens from that franchise who can get away with saying that.
Speaker 1: You're sort of like, yeah, okay, you know what though
Speaker 1: all Stars is for losers? Like is something a drag
Speaker 1: queen should be saying?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Total total and it is like or one of the
Speaker 2: last winners who will say like whatever the whatever the
Speaker 2: fuck on that podcast, you know, because I just had
Speaker 2: a realization moment getting off Twitter, and like part of
Speaker 2: it was the reason I got off Twitter was I
Speaker 2: was hacked by the Russians en it was away from
Speaker 2: my account for four days and to pay a lot
Speaker 2: of money to a lawyer to get in contact with
Speaker 2: Twitter to get my account back, and then I deleted
Speaker 2: immediately because I kept a little note of all the
Speaker 2: things I would tweet if I had access to my account.
Speaker 2: And then I read it back after four days and
Speaker 2: I said, none of this is using, none of this
Speaker 2: is none of this is That's incredible that you did this.
Speaker 2: I was like, I don't need to say this about
Speaker 2: Ashley Tisdale, Like why would I say, Why would I
Speaker 2: say she said nothing? She's an innocent person. And I
Speaker 2: now have like it's just like your perspective really does shift,
Speaker 2: Like it's so crazy, like I am answering, I am
Speaker 2: not in the I try not to be in the comments.
Speaker 2: After years of doing this, you we all struggle with this,
Speaker 2: I know. But because the thing is is I know
Speaker 2: all six reasons why people hate me now and no
Speaker 2: one says, no one says anything different. It's all in
Speaker 2: the same six buckets.
Speaker 3: Actually, yeah, there is between it's it's it's it's a.
Speaker 2: Short list, and it's God blessed them, No one says
Speaker 2: anything new. I'm like, there's no new reasons to take
Speaker 2: me yet except the new string that I am seeing
Speaker 2: on some of my videos that come out, like on
Speaker 2: podcasts such as this is people being like, his work
Speaker 2: looks crazy? Why is he getting all this plas they've
Speaker 2: gotten botox yet? Bitch? Okay, I'm pushing forty with Rose
Speaker 2: giving filler that one I asked the seventh bucket now
Speaker 2: is that I see I've been seeing that like happen
Speaker 2: and I'm sort of like, huh, I guess you think
Speaker 2: that that's a function of time. I think I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think it's it's this weird. I think it's a
Speaker 2: weird it feels like counter and two like it. It
Speaker 2: doesn't feel like these both can be true. But I
Speaker 2: think it's because I both look older but don't look
Speaker 2: as old as I look, and that those two things
Speaker 2: combined have caused people like what confused people because I
Speaker 2: do look very much the same as I did ten
Speaker 2: years ago. I'm just saying that it's like the hair.
Speaker 2: Probably it throws there's one thing about framing the face
Speaker 2: that throws people off, and they're like, well, he's gotten
Speaker 2: work done. It's literally the hair growing out and getting permed.
Speaker 2: It looks amazing. I wanted to come in here and
Speaker 2: talk about like fucking white lotus, and I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's a distant talk about white lotus. You know, I
Speaker 2: do want to talk about white lotus a little bit
Speaker 2: and say I think that My take on season three
Speaker 2: is that it is a lot of really captivating, wonderful
Speaker 2: moments that did not coalesce into so you were not
Speaker 2: ultimately at the season. I enjoyed my experience on a
Speaker 2: Sunday to Sunday basis of watching each of those episodes,
Speaker 2: But did I come away thinking like that it all
Speaker 2: came together at the end, like as like something meaning
Speaker 2: I don't know that I can say that, like I enjoyed.
Speaker 2: I really thought it was high quality performances really on
Speaker 2: an episode to episode basis, very good writing and good
Speaker 2: great moments. But the only thing I'm going to take
Speaker 2: away from that finale is Cary Kuon's monologue. Yes, the
Speaker 2: only thing.
Speaker 1: I think, so, I think see, I was so I'm
Speaker 1: a huge fan of season three, Like I loved pretty
Speaker 1: much every single thing about it. And I feel like
Speaker 1: the Walton Goggins and Amy lou Wood storyline.
Speaker 3: Like to me it was. It was also so.
Speaker 1: Personally gratifying because I was like, I was watching it
Speaker 1: and I sat there and I was like, you can't
Speaker 1: save broken people. They have to save themselves. They have
Speaker 1: to work on themselves. It doesn't matter matter how much
Speaker 1: you love them.
Speaker 2: The reason I think I will remember Carry Kuon's monologue
Speaker 2: and you will remember that is because that is so
Speaker 2: what you have lived and like what you a lesson
Speaker 2: you have learned in your own life. What do you
Speaker 2: mean like that, I mean broken people? Yes, right, you know,
Speaker 2: like that is a lesson that you have learned the
Speaker 2: hard way in many ways and you've connected, you know.
Speaker 2: And the Carrie Kuon monolog where she says like she
Speaker 2: has and listen, I do not think that we are
Speaker 2: as toxic as those three women were ultimately thinking about
Speaker 2: us as that. No, but I did have this moment
Speaker 2: because like we've talked about, let's get raw and real
Speaker 2: again his sisters, when I asked you to be in
Speaker 2: my wedding party, like we are we are dear like
Speaker 2: besties down and we will and I asked you to
Speaker 2: be in my wedding party because I know you will
Speaker 2: be in my life for the rest of my goddamn life.
Speaker 2: But we're also fucking busy. You live in two different
Speaker 2: cities practically most of the time. You are the busiest
Speaker 2: man in Hollywood. I'm very busy. Like we don't get
Speaker 2: to do these things. And like it's so funny when
Speaker 2: people talk about, like why I haven't been back on
Speaker 2: the pod, right, they assume as to be, But it's
Speaker 2: honestly because like when we do get to hang out,
Speaker 2: we don't want to do this, but we only hit
Speaker 2: so much time to see each other. We don't want
Speaker 2: to come in and do this when we do it.
Speaker 2: And but I when I asked you to be in
Speaker 2: my wedding party, I said, I know that, Like we
Speaker 2: aren't seeing each other like every week like we used to,
Speaker 2: and we aren't, like you know, able to go on
Speaker 2: like all the trips that we used to go on
Speaker 2: and all these things. But like when I think about
Speaker 2: the people in my life that matter to me, it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily like maybe the people that come to my
Speaker 2: house every fri it's it's it's you guys. And like
Speaker 2: that monologue really resonated because it really does have meaning.
Speaker 2: And like I think that that is like for me,
Speaker 2: it's like being in a relationship and like getting older,
Speaker 2: like both of those things combined. Like I really you
Speaker 2: recognize that because you really do have to be intentional
Speaker 2: about maintaining friendships when you are in a relationship, like yeah,
Speaker 2: and and and it's so hard to do because I
Speaker 2: am living and about to marry my best friend, you know,
Speaker 2: and so like I think like a lot of the
Speaker 2: things I used to like need from friendships are being provided.
Speaker 2: But like it's it's a trick. It's a trick though,
Speaker 2: because like I don't like we've we've also like been
Speaker 2: like we need to hang out with our friends without
Speaker 2: each other, like the you know, like we don't have
Speaker 2: to do everything.
Speaker 3: Does that happened more? And it has happened more?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like I you know, like we like I
Speaker 2: was just talking to Jared the other day, who shout
Speaker 2: out I'll announce Jared's also in the wedding, But like
Speaker 2: I was like, he was like, you and James should
Speaker 2: come over, and I was like, or I could just
Speaker 2: come yeah, yea, because that might like that might be nice.
Speaker 2: You know. It is interesting.
Speaker 1: It's like because it's all about like all of a
Speaker 1: sudden because life goes it does go by quick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I feel like, what was so great about
Speaker 1: that episode and the arc that the three of them
Speaker 1: are going through was they will leave that vacation and
Speaker 1: they'll probably remember two things, the traumatic shooting that they
Speaker 1: survived and the fact that they were able to have
Speaker 1: a great last dinner yea yeah, And they won't even
Speaker 1: remember Valentine. They won't remember the pibitchy little comments. They
Speaker 1: won't remember that one of them was a little bit
Speaker 1: more drunk. They'll remember like this piece of it, and
Speaker 1: they'll remember how their relationship like got better and now
Speaker 1: has this like memorable like trauma bond moment again. And
Speaker 1: that's when life goes by like that. And then she's saying, like,
Speaker 1: you look at your choices. It's because it's the people
Speaker 1: that have been there for a really long time that
Speaker 1: you can see in different stages of your life. And
Speaker 1: then you can say, wow, like I have made choices
Speaker 1: to be this person who I'm sitting here right now,
Speaker 1: and now I'm sitting with two other people who are
Speaker 1: also have gone through the same amount of time and
Speaker 1: the same amount of development, but in a different way,
Speaker 1: like here you are about to get married. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like you have a certain type of
Speaker 1: career which is like you know, keeps you busy and
Speaker 1: is in the stratus for all the time, and sometimes
Speaker 1: like you would think like maybe a third person in
Speaker 1: that would look at both those things and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm the carry coon, but we all are carrying feeling
Speaker 1: like the carry coon.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, Michelle, I'm Leslie and your
Speaker 2: Carrie well, I mean Leslie.
Speaker 1: No, I well I now switched and you spend the
Speaker 1: most time in Austin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's true. And I smiled, and you would rob
Speaker 2: the closest to independent. He certainly hates the Democrats. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I guess that's the headline the Democrats. No, but I
Speaker 2: mean like it's I was.
Speaker 1: It was actually I can't remember the last time I
Speaker 1: spontaneously burst out in tears.
Speaker 2: I actually can.
Speaker 1: It was when he Wa Kwan was in everything ever
Speaker 1: all at once, when he was saying you have to
Speaker 1: be kind, like please be kind, I like spontaneously burst
Speaker 1: out in tears. But I was watching Kerry couldn't give
Speaker 1: that monologue, and I just I burst into tears because
Speaker 1: I was just like, it's true. As you get older,
Speaker 1: like it's not about like what haven't I don't or
Speaker 1: what don't I have? It's like very hard to get
Speaker 1: to a point where you're like, you know, the things
Speaker 1: I've done are enough, Like I've tried, you know, to
Speaker 1: develop myself. Like it's gone this way in a positive way,
Speaker 1: this way in a negative way, whatever that it all
Speaker 1: comes out in the wash anyway when you're still here.
Speaker 3: My mirror this season is thinking, he who is your father?
Speaker 2: At the end? I love yeah, when we got to
Speaker 2: see a little bite of her as a young which
Speaker 2: is real footnic. I mean. Also like the thing about
Speaker 2: him being the dad though, I was like, I said
Speaker 2: that the minute he said the story that his mom
Speaker 2: told him to Amy Lou, I was like, oh, well
Speaker 2: that guy is going to be your dad's the dad,
Speaker 2: like and they cast him very well.
Speaker 1: I will say that that part. I was like this
Speaker 1: week said we did see coming from a mile away,
Speaker 1: And you know what, I think would have even been
Speaker 1: a better reveal a monkey with a gun because because
Speaker 1: because here I want monkey with gun. Here's what I
Speaker 1: was thinking the whole time. How did Walton Goggins's character
Speaker 1: afford that vacation? What if it was revealed like he's
Speaker 1: been a trust fun baby his entire life, and actually
Speaker 1: he isn't this badass. He's just like this like sort
Speaker 1: of spoiled, like straight guy who's like the kind of
Speaker 1: guy who's like, I'm gonna wear like a funky scarf.
Speaker 2: I've been worried about a lot of the shit that
Speaker 2: I've said on this podcast so far, but this is
Speaker 2: like I don't really care, but like this is why
Speaker 2: he needs a writer's room, because this is one of
Speaker 2: my biggest problems with the storyline is I don't know
Speaker 2: who that man is.
Speaker 1: I do not know who that we could have gotten
Speaker 1: to a very funny thing, which is, where the fuck
Speaker 1: did you think you've got all your money from?
Speaker 2: Like your dad is the owner of this? Put it
Speaker 2: up on the board. Put it up on the board.
Speaker 2: It needs to be an index car.
Speaker 1: Just how because literally, how did that couple afford that vacation?
Speaker 2: It's it And that's the thing is like it's not
Speaker 2: super important, but it would have been nice.
Speaker 1: But you know what, Justification always makes things better. I
Speaker 1: feel like that is true in writing, Like justifications always
Speaker 1: make jokes funnier if you can get there, and justification
Speaker 1: always makes like, if you can strengthen it, I think
Speaker 1: it's always better than.
Speaker 2: And that's why I think, like for me too, like
Speaker 2: it's the fact that like the first two seasons were
Speaker 2: what they were, and even the third season was as
Speaker 2: strong as it was, is a miracle that he did
Speaker 2: this by himself, that he has that in it to
Speaker 2: do by himself. Because but I think, like the seams
Speaker 2: that we're now seeing and the disconnect that we're feeling
Speaker 2: with the third season is because like I don't think
Speaker 2: that one man can continue to play with the same
Speaker 2: ideas over and over and over again and create something
Speaker 2: that is going to feel as meaningful as the first. Yes,
Speaker 2: there are limits to Autertia, Yeah, that we need to
Speaker 2: come to. I don't disagree that that because he's not
Speaker 2: reinventing the show every season.
Speaker 3: He's yeah, no, well, I actually kind of like that
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 2: Though.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that the formula, like the formula
Speaker 1: for me, like really works, and I do think that
Speaker 1: there's been drastically different like things that have been said
Speaker 1: by both by all three of the seasons. I will
Speaker 1: say though, just out of principle, there should be a
Speaker 1: writer's rum on a show like that, that's what we're saying,
Speaker 1: just out of principle, because it is it is one
Speaker 1: of the last ways you can like appre this great
Speaker 1: writers and like you know what I mean, like get
Speaker 1: people started in the industry and this this has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with how talented and how brilliant I think
Speaker 1: he is, because ultimately, let's be real, all the creators
Speaker 1: and show runners rewrite all these episodes anyway.
Speaker 2: Honestly, that would be a huge win for the entire Yes,
Speaker 2: can I say I hate it from the beginning? Monkey
Speaker 2: has the gun?
Speaker 1: I advocate, I was a big advocate laughing, I'm not laughing.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's funny.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's funny to think about the monkey
Speaker 1: with the gun at all.
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was going to be.
Speaker 3: It was pretty straightforward, see I.
Speaker 1: But but for me, it's just like when I saw
Speaker 1: Amy Lou would unable to run away from the toxic
Speaker 1: man who was going to get who was gonna it
Speaker 1: was gonna end badly for her. I was like, I've
Speaker 1: been her totally, and this is an important story.
Speaker 2: Those are y'all's mirrors for sure. Yes, And you are
Speaker 2: a famous actress who Asian wres who married a wealthy
Speaker 2: that wasn't.
Speaker 3: Really your mirror, that that was your actual mirror. I
Speaker 3: was gonna say my mirror was I am I don't know.
Speaker 2: Is that it's also fun to not have a mirror
Speaker 2: in the seities. Let's see. I am gonna say, I'm
Speaker 2: still thinking about Aubrey and season two and see that.
Speaker 2: But that's not that's not that's not it. That's not
Speaker 2: an answer to the question I I don't I probably
Speaker 2: don't have one for I mean, but but like, but
Speaker 2: that just goes to the show. There's different things being
Speaker 2: reflected in each of the in each of the seasons.
Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, I don't know, her character was fascinating.
Speaker 1: You know. My I've been pressuring my therapist into watching
Speaker 1: White Lotus because she's never watched it. I went in
Speaker 1: today and she's like, I'm halfway through season two. I
Speaker 1: fucking love it. Oh, she was like season one was amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, it was like, put some respect on season.
Speaker 2: One one's great, it's great. Well, and that can I
Speaker 2: just say. I don't want to beat up Mike went
Speaker 2: too much, because again I love his work. Enlightened is
Speaker 2: one of my favorite shows of all time. He's brilliant.
Speaker 2: We can talk about all this because he's brilliant. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because he's brilliant. But like, there was very little like
Speaker 2: with the staff this season. Yeah, this was the least
Speaker 2: amount of story, of impactful story that we got about
Speaker 2: the staff this Well, I might what was the storyline
Speaker 2: so the manager the Lisa? Can I say anything with Lisa?
Speaker 1: I think the reason why the Lisa thing feels weird
Speaker 1: is because they did not even expect anywhere near.
Speaker 3: A star at her level to want that part. And
Speaker 3: when she wanted that part, I.
Speaker 1: Think part of his hesitance was like, but the character
Speaker 1: does it is not consequential enough to justify her.
Speaker 3: But then she was so good and really wanted to
Speaker 3: do it, what are they going to do?
Speaker 2: Say no?
Speaker 3: I mean her acting is so srounded great, she.
Speaker 1: Just and ultimately I remember we were all like, and
Speaker 1: there's gonna be something with Lisa because there.
Speaker 2: Has to be. Why would you cast Beyonce in a
Speaker 2: show right not have her be like a centerpiece of
Speaker 2: the finality? And I think that probably was something that
Speaker 2: was on his mind during casting.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, should the role be more? I don't
Speaker 1: want to just make it more and change whole thing
Speaker 1: because it's her. But if she wants to do it
Speaker 1: and she's good enough.
Speaker 2: You didn't. Did you find any mirrors in the family?
Speaker 2: Are you a Lachlan at all? I might be, I
Speaker 2: might be a Piper. I might someone that's interesting, someone
Speaker 2: who wants to like individualize, and then realizes that like
Speaker 2: they are not going to go to such lengths to
Speaker 2: like like they have found themselves in the act of
Speaker 2: trying to find themselves in a different way, and then
Speaker 2: they swing back the other direction, like this is not.
Speaker 3: Who you also would rather die than be poor exactly.
Speaker 1: I loved her storyline as well, and when she was
Speaker 1: giving that monologue about like she was great by the way,
Speaker 1: great vibes she interviewed.
Speaker 2: She was my interview on Today Show when I co hosted.
Speaker 2: Oh really, such a cute vibe. Yes, she's adorable and
Speaker 2: she's talented and a trained opera singer. Wow. Yeah at
Speaker 2: Sunny Purchase.
Speaker 1: Anyway, let's touch on housewives. Oh I want to pitch
Speaker 1: my Housewives? Yeah, start, we'll start there. We'll start there
Speaker 1: with the granular.
Speaker 3: Here's the show and this is literally consider this a pitch.
Speaker 2: Bravo.
Speaker 1: We're now in business, and Kyle goes to Aspen.
Speaker 3: Kyle starts her life over as a lesbian of the Woods,
Speaker 3: Kyle of the Woods, The the the The poster for
Speaker 3: the show is Kyle in her huge chemo sabi hat
Speaker 3: looking at the camera in the back.
Speaker 2: The Woods.
Speaker 1: Kyle starts over as a lover of same sex in
Speaker 1: Aspen where she wants to live. I'm sorry, she bes
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. We start the show over. It's her, It's
Speaker 1: maybe a couple of her friends that come in. It's
Speaker 1: more like people visit from Beverly Hills to come see her,
Speaker 1: come in and out, and we see Kyle's new life
Speaker 1: in Aspen as a queer woman.
Speaker 2: I will say my only note, my only adjustment if
Speaker 2: I'm the executive sitting across the table, is I always say,
Speaker 2: we already have a winter landscape, and that is that
Speaker 2: is doing quite well. You know what I would maybe suggest,
Speaker 2: if you want woods, maybe Pacific Northwest. Say that maybe
Speaker 2: where she wants to live, maybe Seattle.
Speaker 1: And also I would say the fact that Saltlake City
Speaker 1: works as a reason to do it. Interesting, how about
Speaker 1: this Kyle of.
Speaker 2: The Mountains, Kyle of the Woods, Like j T tried
Speaker 2: to be. I like Kyle of the Woods. I like
Speaker 2: Kyle of the Woods. Is this Kyle the Wood sounds
Speaker 2: like a dangerous plant you shouldn't eat? Right, Oh honey,
Speaker 2: that's Kyle of the Woods. Kyle of the Wood. Don't
Speaker 2: touch that, Kyle out of your mouth? Is this modeled
Speaker 2: because I'm not watching the Denise Show? Is this kind
Speaker 2: of like the Denise Show? I like the show was.
Speaker 1: The way that they live their life is so crazy?
Speaker 1: But yeah, I guess it is. I mean, I maybe
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be an ongoing thing. I just
Speaker 1: think maybe like eight episodes of Kyle living in Aspen,
Speaker 1: like exploring this new part of her personality. Because I
Speaker 1: don't think this is my kind of hot take about
Speaker 1: Beverly Hills. It's not there yet for a reboot, but
Speaker 1: I don't think we're far away, right, I don't think
Speaker 1: we're far away at all.
Speaker 2: It's getting the self production on Beverly Hills, I think
Speaker 2: is the worst of any of the franchises.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're also afraid to say or do anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just it's so like, I really like talk
Speaker 2: about something that didn't coalesce in anything, Like I'm so
Speaker 2: sorry Mike Waite. I meant to say that take that
Speaker 2: note away from White loas'll apply it to Beverly. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because by the end of that reunion, I was exhausted
Speaker 2: and I wanted to walk out like Garcala, so like.
Speaker 1: Sudden going to Garcel's room and Garcela not being there
Speaker 1: and just be like she's gone, and like like that
Speaker 1: being the way that their friendship ended. Like well, I
Speaker 1: don't know, how do you guys feel about the Garcela
Speaker 1: of at all.
Speaker 2: I didn't watch this, I didn't watch the part. I'm
Speaker 2: only I will say I'm only halfway through the third part,
Speaker 2: and again didn't feel urgent to finish in the same
Speaker 2: way that some of these other shows are. Right now,
Speaker 2: I think that. And I just actually presented an award
Speaker 2: with Garcel met her in real life so warm. So
Speaker 2: she's been on the show. She's a star star. I
Speaker 2: don't think she has it in her to be a housewive.
Speaker 2: I don't think she ever liked it. I don't think
Speaker 2: because she when the when the guns were pointed in
Speaker 2: her direction, handle it. It's not I don't even think
Speaker 2: that she couldn't handle it. It's she didn't want to
Speaker 2: do it. Like she didn't, like she doesn't want to
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: She went a really long time, I guess, five seasons
Speaker 1: without ever being the person in the hot seat.
Speaker 2: And like kind of far down on the couch always.
Speaker 2: And also not for nothing, but for something that I knew.
Speaker 1: When she was saying in the beginning of the season
Speaker 1: that she was positing the theory that the Dury the
Speaker 1: Dey robbery was staged. I'm like, you're gonna have to
Speaker 1: deal with say stand by that you will have to
Speaker 1: stand by, and I mean she did, but she hated
Speaker 1: that they had a problem with it, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: of course they're going to have a problem with it,
Speaker 1: like and then and then you can't walk your way
Speaker 1: out of the insinuation you're making.
Speaker 2: You're very baldly making the insinuation, and lots of people did,
Speaker 2: and so like Santando's down, like you know, I but
Speaker 2: like I just don't know that she like she thinks
Speaker 2: in that way she has she and clearly doesn't need
Speaker 2: it in the same way. And that's not the difference.
Speaker 2: That's the difference is that I think like she was
Speaker 2: working really hard at the beginning, maybe because like it
Speaker 2: did kind of reignite a lot of things for her,
Speaker 2: but all those other women. I mean, the reason de
Speaker 2: read is is showing up right now, and then her
Speaker 2: lover hate is because she needs the check. And Garcella,
Speaker 2: one thing you can say about her right now is
Speaker 2: she's leaving not needing the check. She is making lifetime movies.
Speaker 2: Good for fucking her, you know, like she doesn't need it.
Speaker 2: And I think, like you could feel that, and I
Speaker 2: want them hungry and desperate and needing it, right. I mean,
Speaker 2: sutten unwatchable Kyle.
Speaker 3: I as you know my feelings on Kyle Erica.
Speaker 2: He'll make over the fact that Erica came for garcel
Speaker 2: for not being interesting. In Erica's one storyline this season
Speaker 2: was redoing her fucking living room. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I liked bos. I mean I thought that was like
Speaker 1: definitely livened things up.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, no, she's she's uh gonna be a
Speaker 2: major player for a while. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it just it just felt icky, felt ikey, I don't
Speaker 2: believe that they're friends.
Speaker 3: And the and the and the Kathy sort of runaway moment.
Speaker 2: I was like, that is we've really let we've Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: I think we've fed the goose too much. Yeah, with Kathy,
Speaker 2: the future of the entire Housewives empire lies in one
Speaker 2: woman and one woman alone, and that woman's name is
Speaker 2: Stacy Rush. But still, I can we go back? Can
Speaker 2: we go back for a second. I actually believe that
Speaker 2: the relationship was not real, But I do believe that
Speaker 2: what she said to him was this will be really
Speaker 2: good for you your business, and then he extrapolated from
Speaker 2: there that she was paying him to be on the show.
Speaker 3: You're gonna trust Tim over her.
Speaker 2: He's clearly we've seen him on the show like it
Speaker 2: is like it is. To take his word for anything
Speaker 2: is actually quite exactly. I believe Stacy more than t J.
Speaker 2: I believe that she's not telling the full story, but
Speaker 2: that's okay.
Speaker 1: She's like with I think that one has some like
Speaker 1: I love her. He's got love blinders on.
Speaker 2: I got tip blinders on. She's got the most amazing Famously,
Speaker 2: her boobs are perfect. When you were saying the future
Speaker 2: of the franchise, I really thought you were going to
Speaker 2: say one word and one word alone, and that is Smia.
Speaker 3: I mean, you haven't started. I haven't started really good.
Speaker 3: So Atlanta has been because so Kenya.
Speaker 2: Moore just exited herself.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's been really I think it's been a
Speaker 1: really really compelling.
Speaker 2: Really works and the thing is great on the show,
Speaker 2: And I worry. I don't want to see a between
Speaker 2: her and she. Yeah, and I fear that it's like
Speaker 2: it's definitely happening. But like Mia starts the season like
Speaker 2: she is the center. She's in the center with a
Speaker 2: star and I didn't know she had And what I
Speaker 2: have since learned is that they have been that Bravo
Speaker 2: has known all along what that she has got the
Speaker 2: juice in that peach, but her husband wouldn't let her
Speaker 2: be more until now because I think he did not
Speaker 2: understand how powerful the show was until now.
Speaker 1: I honestly, it really is surprising because the first episode,
Speaker 1: the first scenes of the first episode are.
Speaker 2: All Shamia's amazing home, like.
Speaker 1: She's multi talented, she's got like this very full family,
Speaker 1: this big, full life like and it's just she's obviously
Speaker 1: great on camera.
Speaker 2: She gets it's like the way that they started fights
Speaker 2: but ended of them at the right und.
Speaker 1: She's beautiful, she got fashion, very connected to everyone already.
Speaker 1: It's like so surprising that they tried this with Marlowe
Speaker 1: before Shmiah, but I guess yeah, Shamia had like an extenuating.
Speaker 2: Circum Yeah, because yeah, it's just she's Yeah, I love it.
Speaker 2: I Porch's doing great, love Angela, love Kelly. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: like Kelly a lot. And and again, like the thing
Speaker 2: is is that, like ken you really it's so frustrating
Speaker 2: because Britt is not for the show. You know, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I can't. I agree with you. The thing
Speaker 2: is is like the threatening her with the gun is
Speaker 2: and like if we didn't if we didn't know what
Speaker 2: ken if we didn't know what was coming with Kenya,
Speaker 2: the entire audience would have been like, would have been
Speaker 2: behind Kenya. But then Kenya takes it to such an
Speaker 2: extreme level that is unforgivable.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you, you just can't get past it.
Speaker 1: But also it's like it's like the look in her
Speaker 1: eyes when she was doing it, I was like, oh no,
Speaker 1: you gotta deal with stuff like this is this is
Speaker 1: so many other dark thing and can.
Speaker 2: I say too, like the big difference between a lot
Speaker 2: of what what Kenya did and say, like for instance,
Speaker 2: Porsche physically assaulting Kenya at the reunion and still coming here,
Speaker 2: I guess still being on the show. Is that what
Speaker 2: with Porsche? That was like a heat of the moment,
Speaker 2: in the moment thing that she immediate immediate remorse. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was not premeditating, Kenya. The thing was fully she
Speaker 2: had to print, she had to go to fucking Kinko's. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and print revenge porn.
Speaker 3: She went out of her way.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we should also say it is not revenge
Speaker 1: porn because it was.
Speaker 2: Not legally not legally speaking, but we should be porn
Speaker 2: that was being used for shame and revenge. But I
Speaker 2: want to protect us legally. Yeah. Yeah, I'm Sunny Houston. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and legal.
Speaker 3: Kenya would see you lost coat.
Speaker 2: I don't put anything past anyone. Yeah, you're right, it's
Speaker 2: true because.
Speaker 3: You put do you put things past people?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Never, You've never been one to suffer fools. I don't
Speaker 3: put anything past y'all.
Speaker 1: That's your housewives tackling. I don't put anything past anyone except.
Speaker 4: This.
Speaker 2: This is mine. This is mine. I don't suffer fools,
Speaker 2: but I do suffer joint pain. Not suffer from suffer
Speaker 2: joint pain. Here's mine.
Speaker 1: I'm back on the East Coast and I'm doing the
Speaker 1: most Oh that's actually rhyme.
Speaker 2: Okay, ind go ahead. I don't know because I have
Speaker 2: my like, my go to one, but I don't want
Speaker 2: to do that one. I do want to do a
Speaker 2: new one. And it's like, I'm from Chicago, so you know,
Speaker 2: I know how to ride the brown line, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Oh my god, brown line as a euphemism for gays,
Speaker 1: like riding the brown line is time.
Speaker 2: About I'm a powerful woman in this scenario. So you
Speaker 2: don't know what it means.
Speaker 1: Right, It means you're taking it means you're a powerful
Speaker 1: woman taking it in the butt.
Speaker 2: But what if never mind, Yeah, we'll leave it at
Speaker 2: brown line. Writing the brown line can mean topping. It
Speaker 2: is verse vocabulary. Yeah, sure, but one would know.
Speaker 1: You know, he's coming out as all sorts of things. Bisexual. No,
Speaker 1: I'm saying this bisexual. I'm kinsy five, maybe four point five.
Speaker 1: But Matt is kind of twisting them into thinking that
Speaker 1: I'm a top, which I never have identified.
Speaker 3: I think it will be fabulous for you to try it.
Speaker 2: You've topped, I've topped. Yeah, I just don't. I don't
Speaker 2: wear that as an identity in a way that I
Speaker 2: think it's meaningful. Yeah, I mean, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: he doesn't watch gay porn and see a mirror of
Speaker 2: himself in the top. No, it's always the mottom. Honestly,
Speaker 2: although I'm back in my I'm back back in the
Speaker 2: game in the case. By the way, getting subscribers to
Speaker 2: It's an iconic Angel Search for the Next l woods
Speaker 2: really still I get I get notifications every now and
Speaker 2: then it is still available on patreoon?
Speaker 3: Is it actually still available on Patrio?
Speaker 2: Search for the Next l was like I forgot until
Speaker 2: I just was listening to the other day that Patty
Speaker 2: Harrison herself wrote the theme Thank God for COVID. There's
Speaker 2: the God for COVID that Patty to do and we
Speaker 2: had nothing to do better than to make this podcast.
Speaker 2: And Patty was free enough and the only time she'll
Speaker 2: ever be free again to write the theme song for
Speaker 2: our podcast.
Speaker 1: Wait, so, if we're still getting subscribers to that made
Speaker 1: you made it that the scandal would be that we've
Speaker 1: accrued like thousands of dollars that we step is going
Speaker 1: to charity.
Speaker 2: It's now free. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Still on the Great podcast Segments, A cousin of.
Speaker 2: The Week was good.
Speaker 3: Okay, let's do Ahusband of the Week he still references
Speaker 3: in general.
Speaker 1: Cousin of the Week was It was a segment on
Speaker 1: Matt and Joel and Joel on the Search of the
Speaker 1: Next album was where we said which of the girls
Speaker 1: was cousin of the week, who was giving the most energy?
Speaker 1: I have one, who's your cousin of the Again, this
Speaker 1: is all going to be dated, but my cousin of
Speaker 1: the week is congratulations on your opening sister, Hailey stein Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's because of the week, because of that flame dress. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we won't say why. Yeah, but that dress is cousin.
Speaker 1: This is a Hailey Steinfeld stand positive queen. I believe
Speaker 1: she's the queen of pop. I do need her to
Speaker 1: release more music.
Speaker 2: Capital lists I will jam.
Speaker 1: First of all, don't even get me started on he
Speaker 1: Wants to Go? Which is that song? But also but
Speaker 1: there's what's the uh hell Knows?
Speaker 3: And headphones y.
Speaker 2: I love that where she's at the party slush shaming people.
Speaker 2: I love that. Oh she is not for the Bumblebee movie,
Speaker 2: the Transformer spin off Bumblebee called which is actually excellent.
Speaker 2: Really I need Yeah, it's like Bumblebee bumble Bee remember
Speaker 2: eighteen excellent? Watch it on a plane and you'll get
Speaker 2: your life love it. Okay, it's small, it's a small
Speaker 2: it's a character piece. And Haley carries always does all right. Yeah,
Speaker 2: my cousin of the week is Meghan Fay Hate and Drop.
Speaker 2: She because now my cousins have kids and they love
Speaker 2: their kids so much. And Meghan fay Hee and Drop
Speaker 2: was so determined to save her child. And if you
Speaker 2: haven't seen Drop, it's really really good. You know you
Speaker 2: would love it. Do you want to know why? It's
Speaker 2: because it's just like Red Eye? Oh that is Does
Speaker 2: someone else said that to me today?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really fun. Jeffrey's self is great in it.
Speaker 1: Meghan's amazing, like she should be movie star down.
Speaker 2: Meghan being spiritually linked to Rachel McAdams feels so correct.
Speaker 1: Yes, And at the time Rachel McAdams was my cousin
Speaker 1: of the week. Here's a go, and so I would
Speaker 1: say cousin of the week. And also because I do
Speaker 1: feel we could play cousins. My cousin of the week
Speaker 1: is Megan fay Hate and Drop. Who's your cousin of
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 2: My cousin of the week is I did not really
Speaker 2: see a moment of this, but it just just I
Speaker 2: felt the cousin energy was Addison Ray showing up at
Speaker 2: the Argust at Coachella. I was like, I love that
Speaker 2: for her. Yeah, she's always going to be a cousin
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, she gives cousin in that. Like I'm
Speaker 2: always like, she's got stuff going on. I don't know
Speaker 2: about it exactly. You know her of course, you know
Speaker 2: when I see the updates scroll on by, But like,
Speaker 2: I don't know what she's going I don't know what
Speaker 2: she's going on. My cousin Addison is doing things what
Speaker 2: they are I couldn't tell you, Oh, she shot a
Speaker 2: music video in Paris. But if you know exactly what
Speaker 2: your cousins are doing right now, grow I don't know
Speaker 2: what they're doing. But I will say, pep who are
Speaker 2: close to their cousins, that could be and I don't
Speaker 2: think so, honey for me. Oh frankly, you know who.
Speaker 1: Else kind of was giving cousin when she came out
Speaker 1: weight Weekend one by the Way, the Charlie set a
Speaker 1: Weekend one of Coachella was Billy, Troy and Lord All
Speaker 1: came out, which was only bested by Megan The Stallion set,
Speaker 1: which saw Victoria Mone Queen Latifa and Sierra.
Speaker 3: They did goodies, good luck looking at that.
Speaker 2: She finally stage that she spoke of. But Lord was
Speaker 2: kind of given cousin energy. Oh that's good.
Speaker 1: Lord kind of gives cousin And you're one of Lord's
Speaker 1: Vegas fans.
Speaker 2: I will say that, like, especially she announced her new single.
Speaker 2: I saw that. I saw that so excited it would
Speaker 2: probably be out by the time it's called. What was that? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I can't know that way. Oh my god, you know,
Speaker 2: I love that sentence.
Speaker 1: I get text from Lord. Look, Lord, because I signed
Speaker 1: up for the mailing list. I love looking down on
Speaker 1: my phone and saying that, Lord, Lord texted you my
Speaker 1: new song.
Speaker 3: What was that? Out soon?
Speaker 1: Wendy William, Oh my god, look, and there's single art.
Speaker 2: She gave cousin energy and that she was finally for
Speaker 2: the first time in a while, she was the elder
Speaker 2: cousin in that in that lineup of people. Yes, she
Speaker 2: was the elder. He was the elder cousin, and like,
Speaker 2: you know, it's like that thing where it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just like because she for so long was the
Speaker 2: youngest in the entire family, and now that we're a
Speaker 2: little bit older, We're like, welcome, welcome, Yeah, welcome in. Okay.
Speaker 1: Well, by the way, I just pre saved what was
Speaker 1: that on Spotify? It's probably out by now. Let me
Speaker 1: put this out. But I'm really excited. I need we
Speaker 1: need a powerful Lord era, absolutely, and I was gonna
Speaker 1: say we have needed a huge song and pop that
Speaker 1: ends with the word that not.
Speaker 3: I still think about the impact of why did you
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 1: I can't stop thinking about it. The one of the
Speaker 1: titles of Joel's episodes, ye to me. How have our
Speaker 1: thoughts on Stars Born sort of developed since that episode?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? I think the movie's even better. It's even better.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to say that. After Gaga hosted, I was like,
Speaker 2: I need to fucking dig into this bitch once again. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so good, And I just the first twenty minutes of
Speaker 2: that fucking movie. The whole movie is take the Garden
Speaker 2: of It took me. It took me to the Garden beat.
Speaker 2: And I mean, she's so damn good, so good. Like
Speaker 2: I forgot about the moment where they're at the bar
Speaker 2: at the beginning. She was like, I'm here with Jackson Mane,
Speaker 2: like I don't know what's going on, Like like the
Speaker 2: way she right of like, I don't even know what's
Speaker 2: going on right now. I'm like, that's so sweet. We
Speaker 2: love Gaga, Love Gaga. Okay, what about you Stars Warn't
Speaker 2: you know? I haven't revisited. I just talked about it
Speaker 2: recently though, because I was talking about how she's so
Speaker 2: wasted in Joker too, Like why cast her in that role?
Speaker 2: And why do why do bad singing?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Why why cast lady to be a bad singer? Like
Speaker 2: it doesn't correct, Like it seems like such a waste.
Speaker 2: Like Gaga is a as a singular entity, will forever
Speaker 2: be iconic as a musician, as a pop star, as
Speaker 2: a as a as a person of the culture, and
Speaker 2: as an actress. But I do think after seeing The Penguin,
Speaker 2: you could selet Christine Chris Kristin Mili into any role
Speaker 2: that Gaga has ever done. It would be, oh my
Speaker 2: you are except for Starsborn, except for Starsbourn, except of course.
Speaker 2: But wow, I know she was. I know you're close
Speaker 2: personal friends now.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, but you just want Kristin Mili to
Speaker 1: work more. We all want that. I just think she
Speaker 1: is so brilliant. You guys just not wat I watched Okay, well,
Speaker 1: she's amazing. But I mean I came on here and said,
Speaker 1: sang the praises.
Speaker 2: That is the way you in this world where we
Speaker 2: cannot sell anything that is not connected to an existing
Speaker 2: I p like, that's the way you do it is
Speaker 2: you sneak in like women's that the Penguin is not
Speaker 2: a story about the penguin. It is about women stories.
Speaker 2: Women's stories matter. They wrapped up women's stories in a
Speaker 2: fucking Penguin piece of cheap to these boys that didn't
Speaker 2: know what was about to hit. And Colin was amazing
Speaker 2: and Colin and yes, no, and that's not to discount
Speaker 2: colins performance, it is incredible as well. But like I
Speaker 2: was so impressed with that show because you could have
Speaker 2: never you could not know what Batman is and enjoyed
Speaker 2: as And in fact, I had to convince many people
Speaker 2: who were like, I don't want to watch a Batman show,
Speaker 2: and it's not a Batman shows, it's a show about women. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But can I say Gaga would have been great in Penguin?
Speaker 2: She would have she would have No, No, it's true,
Speaker 2: I maybe not better is that? Maybe that's not the
Speaker 2: verbiage I want to say, But like I do think
Speaker 2: that like you're seated for either of them. Of Christian Yes,
Speaker 2: that's I think what I mean I wanted. I want
Speaker 2: House of Gucci too, with Lady.
Speaker 1: Like I can't get enough of I can't get enough
Speaker 1: of House you know, you know best of the answer
Speaker 1: House of Gucci.
Speaker 2: Salmahayak.
Speaker 3: Salahi will do the goofiest ship.
Speaker 2: She will.
Speaker 1: She is down to clown like I'm ready to do.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey.
Speaker 2: This is I don't think so mony. This is where
Speaker 2: we take one minute to go off on something in culture.
Speaker 2: Matt has something. He is ready and rearing to go.
Speaker 2: This is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts.
Speaker 1: Now, I don't think so honey. Not enough utilization of
Speaker 1: the icon Salma Hayak in media across television, film.
Speaker 2: I would love to hear the album.
Speaker 1: We need salamahaiks Pino's debut album, by the way, House
Speaker 1: of Gucci. We needed the lesbian scene with Lady Gaga
Speaker 1: and Salamahayak. A'm saying and now, in the year of
Speaker 1: War twenty twenty five, we needed that. I don't think
Speaker 1: so honey that we didn't get it and they shot
Speaker 1: it where's the deleted scenes? Bring back DVDs? That's another topic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey. The Marvel movie they tried
Speaker 1: to do with all of them, and they kill Samahayaka
Speaker 1: right away.
Speaker 2: Eternals, No, I guess not.
Speaker 3: I guess very very temporary.
Speaker 1: That set of eternal And I don't think so, honey,
Speaker 1: that we talk about Salama Hyak in this casual way
Speaker 1: you should be bowing down to Salma Hyak has impact
Speaker 1: that we're not even understanding or recognizing, and we need
Speaker 1: to change that.
Speaker 2: I don't think so hard. And that's one minute, just
Speaker 2: a little like astisk to you. I don't think so, honey.
Speaker 2: Is that like? I don't think so, honey. Marvel changing
Speaker 2: the line reading in the original trailer for the Eternals,
Speaker 2: you can clearly hear Samahayak say and we've tired it.
Speaker 2: I think we've talked about this on the pod before
Speaker 2: Theos with you know, and she says it like that,
Speaker 2: and then we go and watch the film. We sit
Speaker 2: down for the film. Me and my life partner go
Speaker 2: down and sit for this film, excited to hear the line,
Speaker 2: and they changed it. They changed it to thanos. They
Speaker 2: made her go back. They made her go back into
Speaker 2: the ad R booth and say, Thanos, I've got some
Speaker 2: I've got it. I don't think so honey, let's go this.
Speaker 2: This is I was gonna do it, I think, But
Speaker 2: I'm like, I got nothing.
Speaker 3: This is Bowen yangs. I don't think Sowanny his time
Speaker 3: starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so many eightyr and this is coming
Speaker 2: from an eightyr legend. I slay the ADR booth because
Speaker 2: guess what I'm doing. I'm matching tone, I'm matching acoustics,
Speaker 2: I'm matching lip flaps. But sometimes it doesn't need to happen.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we stumble on our words and sometimes the audience
Speaker 2: doesn't have to understand us. Sometimes you can just cut around.
Speaker 2: You lose the whole damn line EIGHTR. Sometimes I don't
Speaker 2: mind it, but sometimes they count you in and they
Speaker 2: sink it in wrong. Sometimes it's just sometimes it's humiliating.
Speaker 2: You see, I don't want to see my fuck ups
Speaker 2: up close. And maybe it's okay to sit with that.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's okay to not go back in the booth because.
Speaker 1: You know what, I like Sandra Bullock Rumbull with five seconds.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna voiceover in general, and ADR is my
Speaker 1: one safe space. But now I'm ready to let that
Speaker 1: go because I don't think it's worth it.
Speaker 2: And that's one minute.
Speaker 1: I also, I've never notice it exactly every single time,
Speaker 1: and I I'll go into do ADR and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: I'll see what the issue is and I'll be like,
Speaker 1: so I think it's better to do obvious ADR over this.
Speaker 1: It's something about the post process that I don't understand.
Speaker 2: And when eight R is obviously it drives me. Sometimes
Speaker 2: it's necessarily you get moments like Dans.
Speaker 1: You get, first of all, who's to say it's not
Speaker 1: actually pronounced yeah, a different gaalxy American that they did
Speaker 1: that well, it is like I think that they saw
Speaker 1: because there was like a little bit of it was
Speaker 1: a little viral for that reason, and I think that
Speaker 1: they were like, this is a serious film, Okay, that
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. First of all, here's what here's my question
Speaker 1: do we think And this is my question to you
Speaker 1: someone who's seen Eternals. Was her performance in the moment
Speaker 1: where she said tanos like so stunning that they felt
Speaker 1: like they had to use the tono's take, And maybe
Speaker 1: she said Danos eight other times, but they just didn't
Speaker 1: like those takes.
Speaker 2: I don't know, gives a brilliant I mean comedic. I
Speaker 2: think is Sama is like independently wealthy in a way
Speaker 2: that like she the reason we don't see Salma is
Speaker 2: because Salma does not want to be seen, doesn't need
Speaker 2: to need to work. Yeah, yeah, she She picks and
Speaker 2: chooses the weirdest things, like that Black Mirror episode she did. Oh,
Speaker 2: I love that. It's so incredible. It's so incredible, But
Speaker 2: like you, I'm sitting there watching it and I'm like,
Speaker 2: how did they get her? How do they get her?
Speaker 2: I think it's an opposite thing. I don't think people
Speaker 2: go to her enough.
Speaker 1: And people just assume that she's comfortable. Yeah, I think people.
Speaker 1: I think people should roll the dice more on Salma.
Speaker 1: I think filmmakers need to shoot their shot with Salma more.
Speaker 2: She is, like she's so willing to do big like
Speaker 2: big take, big comedic swings, big character choices like lastar
Speaker 2: nominated actress. Yeah forget incredible, incredible, thirty rock legendary, like
Speaker 2: one of the best of all time guest stars, reoccurring
Speaker 2: guest stars on that show. Huh. And she was one
Speaker 2: of the best press and almost I would say all
Speaker 2: of his girlfriends stuntcasted girlfriends on that show. Falco. There
Speaker 2: was another one.
Speaker 4: There was.
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Banks Yeah, and then Lachlan's mom Emily right, yes, yes, yes, bones,
Speaker 2: Avian Bones, yes yes bones. I just want to say,
Speaker 2: I know this is cheating, but like I have been
Speaker 2: here in a while. The other two I didn't think
Speaker 2: so honeys that were going to do other than one
Speaker 2: is a I don't think so many people who text
Speaker 2: their email address or phone number in this not in
Speaker 2: a separate text to make it easily copy and pastes.
Speaker 2: That is texting etiquette. One O one. As far as
Speaker 2: i'm do not send me your email addressor phone number
Speaker 2: in the body of a large block of texts so
Speaker 2: that I cannot get to it and I have to
Speaker 2: do my instagram dms. Instagram ms are especially are hard,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's just like I I cannot stand it.
Speaker 2: I was like, now I have to I have to
Speaker 2: do this manual. You've changed my behavior, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: And the other one was people who say, wow, that
Speaker 2: really made me laugh the group chat, because you are
Speaker 2: upending the entire ecosystem of haha, l o l ha.
Speaker 2: You've now you've now downgraded. No, now it's an impact.
Speaker 2: You've really pulled the curtain. And I'm seeing like, oh
Speaker 2: with that that pithy thing that I said, that got
Speaker 2: four haha reacts on the chain. How do you feel
Speaker 2: about this?
Speaker 3: How do you feel about these two words? Actual law?
Speaker 2: You've broken this the illusion? I say, actual law. It's
Speaker 2: and the thing is, what does law mean? What does
Speaker 2: lam does mean? Should this episode be called actual law?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 2: What? What about this? I'm laughing? I love, I love,
Speaker 2: I'm laughing. I'm laughing. It's like all of it though,
Speaker 2: it's just sort of like, oh, that took me out?
Speaker 2: Did it take you out? Did it really? That took
Speaker 2: me out? I'm laughing? Is general use, so many use
Speaker 2: cases for it. If you're actually lolling, say it applies
Speaker 2: if you're just lolling, you know, for for etiquette purposes. Great,
Speaker 2: I'm laughing is the way I'm laughing. You, I promise
Speaker 2: you I really am. Like if I say I'm laughing,
Speaker 2: I promise you I really am. Haha emoji or haha
Speaker 2: whatever reaction thing. I can't promise that I'm haha.
Speaker 1: I can promise that I I can wrap that.
Speaker 2: I did think it's fun. Yeah, it's an intellectual exercise.
Speaker 2: The haha react.
Speaker 3: Yeah that made me laugh. I don't like I'm laughing.
Speaker 2: I'm laughing. Yeah, Wow, that really made me laugh. Fuck
Speaker 2: you Yeah. And I of course I have actual law.
Speaker 2: I have friends who do real grin RG. No, I'm
Speaker 2: so sorry they're fans friends anymore.
Speaker 3: They're God what about Ball, Well, it's still it's like going.
Speaker 2: It's the cycles are moving too fast, Like we had
Speaker 2: Chucky for just a brief moment and now he was.
Speaker 1: Never Hubs is apparently the new one Hubs Hubs.
Speaker 2: It's it's it's how you refer how Jen Alpha is
Speaker 2: referring apparently to people that they have crushes on, and
Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong. I believe it's it's yeah,
Speaker 2: it is associated with that word. But I this is
Speaker 2: this is direct intel from Maya Rudolf about her fourteen
Speaker 2: year old I see so like it could just be
Speaker 2: whatever in l A. I haven't done the research or
Speaker 2: you know, I haven't asked Edgeball. I really are people
Speaker 2: are people?
Speaker 1: He does I'm doing it. Wow, I just burst out.
Speaker 1: I just burst out laughing. Well, I mean, it's.
Speaker 2: The same sort of over the top like nonsense as
Speaker 2: rolling on the floor. Sorry, get off the floor, off
Speaker 2: off the floor, rolling around filthy. Okay, now I'm ready
Speaker 2: to Okay, all right.
Speaker 1: So after two I don't think so honeys here's Joel's
Speaker 1: real I don't think so honey. This is Joe Kimbushers.
Speaker 1: I don't think so honey. As times us now, I
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. Singing competition shows. I'm talking about you,
Speaker 1: American Idol. Guess what, American Idol. You did it on
Speaker 1: the first try. You found her.
Speaker 2: Okay, hang it up. We don't need you anymore. We
Speaker 2: do not need the voice, We do not need X factor,
Speaker 2: We do not need America's got talent, two fine singers
Speaker 2: for us anymore, because guess what, there is no monoculture.
Speaker 2: There is no monoculture, and your gig, your little playbook,
Speaker 2: only works if everybody's watching, and no one is watching anymore,
Speaker 2: not all of America. Okay, there are two many questionions.
Speaker 2: These are professional karaoke competition shows with a cash prize
Speaker 2: at the end, and that's okay, that's okay. Sell them
Speaker 2: on that, promise them a career. Do not promise them
Speaker 2: that the stars, because many of them will not be stars.
Speaker 2: They will end up as the third replacement on Broadway
Speaker 2: of a B tier musical. Okay, it's job a BET
Speaker 2: tier musical. I guess I don't want to take away
Speaker 2: jobs from people. But I'm just saying, let's frame what
Speaker 2: you are appropriately, and that is a karaoke companies to
Speaker 2: show with the prize cash prize.
Speaker 3: And that's one minute. Okay, Edge, I just stood up clapping.
Speaker 2: Edge. Edge suck, Edge suck. But I would like to
Speaker 2: say for the reg and I told you this before
Speaker 2: the record, I am watching, I'm still watching, I'm watching
Speaker 2: American Idol, I'm watching the Voice. I'm watching it all happen.
Speaker 2: Amazing talented people come through there. But the fact of
Speaker 2: the matter is is that no one is famous anymore.
Speaker 2: It is like so crazy it makes me honest, it
Speaker 2: makes me laugh when people, as an insult, are like
Speaker 2: I don't even know who this person is, and it's
Speaker 2: like no one else there is not there is not
Speaker 2: one person, there are not There are very few people,
Speaker 2: I should say, right that everybody knows. Yeah, like it
Speaker 2: just doesn't exist. And in a world where that doesn't exist,
Speaker 2: and it's so fractured that like, you can't you couldn't
Speaker 2: create another Kelly Clarkson, right, you couldn't, like and the
Speaker 2: reason why, like it did, it was successful up until
Speaker 2: a certain point through you know, we got Fantasia, we
Speaker 2: got Carrie, we got Jennifer Hudson, et cetera, Clay, but
Speaker 2: like that was still back when we were talking at
Speaker 2: the Water Schooler about television and there's just no monoculture anymore,
Speaker 2: and that only you could only create a stars like that.
Speaker 1: But when there is a monocle, you know what's funny
Speaker 1: is like, who technically is an American Id'll find is
Speaker 1: Benson Boom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I found that.
Speaker 1: The only reason he's as famous as he is is
Speaker 1: because he quit abruptly. So he he was on American Idol.
Speaker 1: He gave this insane audition, like this amazing audition, and
Speaker 1: Katy Perry was.
Speaker 2: Literally like, do you want to win this show? You can't.
Speaker 1: If that's what you want, you can win the show.
Speaker 1: And then he like made it to I guess like
Speaker 1: the live rounds or whatever, and then was abruptly gone.
Speaker 1: I think because someone got in his head and was like, yo,
Speaker 1: if you want a real career.
Speaker 2: Don't stays to the live shows, do not. Yeah that
Speaker 2: that that happened recently with another contestant, a young girl
Speaker 2: who was giving like a Taylor Swift, like the Air Apparent,
Speaker 2: and like by the time she made it to the lives,
Speaker 2: she was out because of the contracts. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: And that's one other thing that is a problem with
Speaker 2: this is that like you're locking these people into things
Speaker 2: that like maybe not necessarily help them. Yeah, do you
Speaker 2: listen to this podcast? I watch it? I listened to it.
Speaker 2: Was do you watch I listened to it. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of holes in your story already. I listened to
Speaker 2: it when it for me, it's a touchdown for me
Speaker 2: and my friends. Okay, I don't listen to it when
Speaker 2: it's stars. You don't listen to it when it's starts.
Speaker 2: I don't listen to it. Listen to the Gaga episode.
Speaker 1: I have listened to the Gaga app so obviously, so
Speaker 1: there's lots of holes, Okay.
Speaker 2: And I listened to the Kelly I listen. I guess
Speaker 2: for me, I was did the Kelly corson I was
Speaker 2: what two years ago? The thing was, I listened when
Speaker 2: there's stars that I know matter to YouTube.
Speaker 1: M So did you listen to that dropped?
Speaker 2: That dropped today? I watched her. I don't think so,
Speaker 2: honey collapse to her as a scholar of the form,
Speaker 2: I think it was a fantastic I don't think she
Speaker 2: did great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you did great, and you did great, and
Speaker 1: I did great today everybody did. This was a wonderful
Speaker 1: return to form.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, people will harald this as a
Speaker 2: return to form. We're back, Yeah, I mean, like, listen,
Speaker 2: I've listened to the Cold episode.
Speaker 3: Nineteen times, white, No, no, no, the recent one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Reason Friends, I literally we said we were
Speaker 2: trapped in a burning Man exit line for about eight
Speaker 2: hours and we only had the podcasts that were already
Speaker 2: downloaded on our phones to listen to. We went back
Speaker 2: and listened to it again.
Speaker 1: I forget about that as a thing people can do,
Speaker 1: Like people can have favorite episodes of a podcast. Is sweet,
Speaker 1: Like I we have that, Like we listened to that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we revisit Meg's episode constantly. That was what I
Speaker 2: got to buy your car? Yeah, yeah, we visited I
Speaker 2: Feel like people a new classic in the Gabby Windy episode.
Speaker 2: That one is great too. But like I think like
Speaker 2: it makes me sad sometimes because I want to be
Speaker 2: tactile with my sisters. I want to be I want
Speaker 2: to want to be in the room. You want to
Speaker 2: be in the room.
Speaker 3: You want to be with you want to be just
Speaker 3: had her on my podcast.
Speaker 2: She was amazing. She's just great great. That was really good.
Speaker 2: And again I did listen to that one too, But
Speaker 2: it's okay.
Speaker 1: It's lots of holes and maybe that's the title of
Speaker 1: that lots of holes. No, but we have we have
Speaker 1: actual lull. We have lots of holes, and we have
Speaker 1: riding on the brown line. Maybe right on the brown line.
Speaker 2: That feels the best, Joel, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Well, what else would feel the most sol is to
Speaker 1: plug his project.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so you can listen to Bad Days that
Speaker 2: comes out every Monday. I think I want to say
Speaker 2: every Monday, uh or Tuesday. Somebody comes out every it
Speaker 2: comes out on a weekly basis. Matt's been on. I
Speaker 2: haven't gotten bone yet, I haven't landed my wife. You
Speaker 2: can watch Love Hotel every Sunday at eight Central, following
Speaker 2: Real Hoss Atlanta on Bravo, not on anymore.
Speaker 3: Wait seven Central, but following Atlanta, I might have gotten around.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's or maybe I got maybe it's not following Atlanta.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's lead into Atlanta. It's just on Sundays. But
Speaker 2: it's just on Sunday. It's got to be following it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But if I'm programming Bravo, I'm putting it on after it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so catch that. The show is fucking fantastic.
Speaker 2: It is. I want to see. It's going to be.
Speaker 2: Really it's very different from anything that they've ever tried
Speaker 2: to do. I think it's you know, obviously I'm biased,
Speaker 2: but I think it's it's it's a compelling watch and
Speaker 2: you'll see these ladies in a very different light from
Speaker 2: their respectives.
Speaker 1: And wait, it's it's Shannon, gizl Ashley and them. Okay,
Speaker 1: so I like one of them some of the people.
Speaker 2: I like one of them. The thing is, you'll get
Speaker 2: your life watch you. It will take you out. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you'll be on the floor because I'm laughing.
Speaker 1: Matter watching it's writing the Brown line, period period.
Speaker 2: Unless we'll discuss, and then let's discuss. I want I
Speaker 2: want to support my sister writing on the Brown line.
Speaker 2: What else? And then yeah, I guess like loot will
Speaker 2: be out later this year, and other things to be
Speaker 2: continued to be continued.
Speaker 3: We and every episode with a big old song.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I forgot about this.
Speaker 3: Oh lots of holes.
Speaker 2: The stars aprightly shine.
Speaker 4: The it is the day, the night I've got You
Speaker 4: made it your own, carry under what everyone by.
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