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Speaker 1: Niroz Jasens, Hey, it's me Raz. How you doing. I'm good,

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty good. Yeah, I'm good. We are talking about

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Speaker 1: ouija boards on this episode today and next week as well.

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Speaker 1: I decided to make this a two parter, and I'm

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Speaker 1: I don't know if she uses this word for to

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Speaker 1: when it comes to ouija boards, and you know, they

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Speaker 1: I decided to go check out the reviews on Apple Podcast,

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Speaker 1: in a five star review by Gabby and Gabby writes, Hi, Roz,

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Speaker 1: I'm a longtime listener and have been wanting to share

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Speaker 1: This is the story all about how my sister's doppelganger

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Speaker 1: So this particular case happened when I was about eleven

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Speaker 1: These are good stories, guys, keep them coming, keep sending

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Speaker 1: me the stories, and as always, I want to do

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Speaker 1: let's talk about wija boards. Here is my conversation, Part

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Speaker 1: one with Karen A Dolman on with the show. All Right,

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Speaker 1: you guys, I have my ouiji board open and I'm

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Speaker 1: going to see who comes through. Okay, a r e.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It's moving so fast. Karen A Dolman, Hello.

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Speaker 2: Hello, I just popped in through the portal of the

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Speaker 2: wija boards.

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Speaker 1: Hi. How are you? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I'm having a great day and how are you doing?

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Speaker 1: I am wonderful. You know. Well, first of all, I

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Speaker 1: just noticed that I I said wig, which is such

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Speaker 1: a like it's real deep in me to say that.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why why is that? Why do I

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Speaker 2: I'm impressed that you even know that a lot of

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Speaker 2: people don't know that. So okay, you can say ouigi now.

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Speaker 2: But originally when the board and plant chat were made,

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Speaker 2: it was pronounced wee ja. And that's even how it

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Speaker 2: was trademark and patented and in fact, some of the

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Speaker 2: pronounce it as we ja.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because for me as a kid, it was always

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Speaker 1: like the wigi board pig. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Listen, you'll hear me say ouigi interchangeably. It's okay to

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Speaker 2: say it. I think what's happened just in our lexicon

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Speaker 2: say ouigi now that it's not wrong too. I just

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Speaker 2: kind of am old school, and I'll still say wee

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Speaker 2: ja for the most part. But if you say ouige,

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Speaker 2: it's all good.

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Speaker 1: Well, and what are all the other terms? There's what

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Speaker 1: talking board good? What else can we say? Is wichboard?

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Speaker 1: Is that the same thing? I've heard that?

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Speaker 2: Well, you could say whichboards, spirit board, talking board, wija board,

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Speaker 2: whichboard is also a name. You know, it came out

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Speaker 2: of the movie Wichboard, But you know there's boards that

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Speaker 2: that if you use the word oigi or Oija. It's

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Speaker 2: only if it's patent and trademarked.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, which board with Tawny Katine?

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Speaker 2: Yes, rest in peace. And by the way, I've got

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Speaker 2: to tell you this, ros I know she just passed.

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Speaker 2: We are going to be at Michigan Para Con with

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Speaker 2: some really exciting wichboards stuff with us.

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Speaker 1: Just what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: Well, that's about all I can say right now. We

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Speaker 2: have a wonderful Haunted museum we'll be doing there this year,

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Speaker 2: movie that's Oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well, here's what I have to say about that.

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Speaker 1: I probably have shared this on this podcast. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: But Tawny Katine uh and my other producer Land, we're

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Speaker 1: obsessed with her. And I got him Land a cameo.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what cameo is?

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Speaker 1: I got him at Tawny Katine cameo for Christmas and

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Speaker 1: it was the best cameo I've ever seen. It has

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Speaker 1: changed the way that I do it. I think that

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 1: So we love her.

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Speaker 2: We love her so much too. All this talking board

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Speaker 1: So wait, so basically, what if I'm getting this straight,

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Speaker 1: Wija is sort of like Kleenex.

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Speaker 2: Correct. Well, well, yeah, so cleans we all call tissues Kleenex.

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Speaker 2: Very good, very good analogy.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Okay, Well we've just really kind of jumped

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Speaker 1: into this. But uh, you are you're kind of the

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Speaker 1: Oichi lady from what I from what my sources tell me,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're a weed a therapist, you're a we geologist,

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Speaker 1: you're the officer and director of the Talking Board Historical Society.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you've answered this a billion times,

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Speaker 1: but don't worry. We'll keep it fun and fresh. How

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Speaker 1: did you become the Wiga Lady?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that's kind of a tongue in cheek.

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Speaker 2: I'm an usual person talking about the Wija Board. For

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Speaker 2: my work, I've been doing the board for forty eight years.

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Speaker 2: But everybody says, oh, tell me you're bad evil stories,

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Speaker 2: And I got to be honest, people, My stories are

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Speaker 2: too learn to channel using a Wija board. We can

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Speaker 2: that's why I've created a name as like the Wiga Lady,

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Speaker 2: and then also you know, its like, again, it's a

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Speaker 1: I guess, well, I appreciate that, because, yeah, there is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I'm more matter of a fact. I mean,

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Speaker 2: But I'm really good at teaching how to use it

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Speaker 2: You know, when you work with this tool, it's not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, My thing that I always think about

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm right, Okay, so think about it. People use Okay,

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Speaker 2: And why is that not evil? I mean maybe some

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Speaker 1: Do you believe in haunted objects? Like do you believe

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Speaker 2: You know, the question would be do people believe that

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Speaker 2: The truth is we give away our abilities every time

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Speaker 2: And there could be many reasons for that. Could it

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Speaker 2: could be a tulpa thought, project it project It could

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Speaker 2: be so many different reasons why that's happening. But yet

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Speaker 1: I've told this story before that probably twelve years ago,

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Speaker 1: this be that maybe I projected it, or I've got

430
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,280
Speaker 1: telekinesis or what do we think?

431
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,440
Speaker 2: You're asking a great question, and I love it because

432
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: you're open to rethinking this and thinking on different levels. Yeah.

433
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 2: So am I saying something can't be haunted? Not saying that.

434
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, let's rethink how what haunting means. I

435
00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 2: think we were so one dimension and say hanting means, oh,

436
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: it must be a ghost attached to it. But couldn't

437
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: this haunting be considered something else? For example, and I'll

438
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,920
Speaker 2: get back to your reach ward story. Let's say you

439
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:04,800
Speaker 2: go into a place that's considered haunted and you can

440
00:26:04,840 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: tap into the energies, and people say, oh, the story

441
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:09,159
Speaker 2: is this always rise there was a little girl that

442
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 2: died here. It's always that there's a little girl that

443
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 2: died here in a blue dress, and everybody goes and

444
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,199
Speaker 2: sees that or wants that. But then for a second,

445
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: let's rethink this. Could it have been a confluence of

446
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 2: energies that opens a portal and all different kinds of

447
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 2: energies can come through. But yet our interpretation, our belief

448
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 2: system only allows us to see it on one dimension

449
00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 2: and maybe not for what else it could be, Or

450
00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 2: maybe it's so much more. You see, we only can see,

451
00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 2: think about this with their eyes a very small spectrum

452
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: of the light theory spectrum. There's so much we can't see.

453
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: But some animals can tap into these other realms. We

454
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 2: know the light spectrum exists, that's way beyond ours. We

455
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,360
Speaker 2: see just a small portion. So I'm saying, let's don't

456
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,440
Speaker 2: limit ourself that it's only, oh, a haunted item and

457
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 2: your boards you bought. Sure, maybe there's something that came

458
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,160
Speaker 2: attached to it, but let's reth think this and see

459
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: could it be something else as well? And then when

460
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: we're start opening ourselves to more possibilities, the ability to

461
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 2: communicate and reach into these unseen dimensions develops and grows.

462
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 2: And I would say that's been my success with using

463
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: the board. I didn't limit it to oh, it's old,

464
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: it's gotta be haunted, or you only talk to the

465
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: dead with it. Instead, I said what else can I

466
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: do with this? And I found myself naturally beginning to

467
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 2: talk to people's higher selves, and they are live people,

468
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 2: animals that are alive and dead, whether they're never really dead,

469
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: they're just called transitioned. I start talking to interdimensional beings,

470
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 2: I start talking to extraterrestrials, I start talking to ethereal beings, angels,

471
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,280
Speaker 2: go on and on and on. Because I opened myself

472
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 2: to say it's not just a haunting, or it's not

473
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 2: just a ghost.

474
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: And maybe maybe.

475
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 2: Because I'm so open, I'm helping project what energies can

476
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 2: come through. I'm not saying it's not real. I'm saying

477
00:28:00,359 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 2: there's energies out there. And maybe because I'm so open

478
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:08,560
Speaker 2: into the realm of interpretation or possibilities that I widened

479
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 2: it to so much more of the experience. My guide,

480
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: who I talked to all the time on the board,

481
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 2: came through more recently and I was with Patrick Keller,

482
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 2: who was on the show, and we went to haunting

483
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 2: a place that was haunted, the Haunted Castle House up

484
00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 2: there in Missouri, and we met of which the owners

485
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:27,320
Speaker 2: of the place and the guides had told me tell

486
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: them this, and they had a message for me to

487
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 2: provide them before we started our investigation. And they had

488
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 2: all the ringma row tools, everything that lights and beeps

489
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: and sounds and projects and all this really cool stuff,

490
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: and I just brought my old school cool tool, the

491
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: wig aboard. So I sat down and said, they want

492
00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 2: me to tell you that maybe, just maybe for a

493
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 2: moment to spend judgment, that this is you're just here

494
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 2: talking to deceased people. Possibly your place is a conduit

495
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: for all kinds of energies coming through unless see what happens.

496
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 2: And sure enough for myself during this investigation, and I

497
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 2: know they got it too. I was sensing like a

498
00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 2: sat squashed there. I was sensing, you know, different time periods.

499
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: We were sensing people that might have lived in the house.

500
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: I was also sensing other beings that had nothing to

501
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: do with the house. So it's like, if we're open

502
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 2: to it, we allow so much more to come through.

503
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: But once we say it's just this, then we close

504
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 2: ourselves down to all the possibilities of what else could

505
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 2: be coming through.

506
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: So would you say that the reverse is true as well?

507
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: You know, if you're going into it in a bad way,

508
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 1: you can find the bad mm hmm.

509
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely, you're gonna get what it is that your your

510
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 2: I was fixated upon. If you're fixated upon just the evil, okay,

511
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna bring something negative to and even if it's

512
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: not negative, you're going to see it in the negative light.

513
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 2: It's like you put those set of rose colored glasses on,

514
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: you put those negative light glasses on. Yeah, that's that's

515
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: a great point. So it can work either way. And truly,

516
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:58,040
Speaker 2: this is how it works in life. Think about it.

517
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: Just in our regular three to men world, if we

518
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,960
Speaker 2: have a chip on our shoulder, our day is going

519
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: to be kind of crummy. I mean, we're going to

520
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: tend to draw that out of people. And it's mostly

521
00:30:07,840 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 2: because the way we're we're responding or reacting to them,

522
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 2: you know, so we have to look at it that way,

523
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: as in the decease as in the living. It's really

524
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 2: no different.

525
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: So do you think that that mentality could be what

526
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: has contributed to the Luija board being seen as evil?

527
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: You know, people approaching it as it's something that's evil,

528
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: and then whatever happens, they interpret that as evil, and

529
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: then the story continues with it being evil.

530
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,480
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and then we have to throw and that's that's great.

531
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: Personal beliefs really is everything. However, personal beliefs are shaped

532
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 2: by we got institutions.

533
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 1: Relay religion.

534
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: Thank you, ding ding ding ding ding. You get Hunther points.

535
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. See, so you have a lot of

536
00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 2: the religious groups saying that is bad and evil and

537
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 2: they have no experience or that a few lines in

538
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: the Bible that might have said something they or decided

539
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: to interpret that way. But I got to tell you guys,

540
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: men kind has always tried to control humanity and they

541
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: control them by fear and so just and this is

542
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 2: not the dog on any religion, because I really enjoy

543
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 2: all different types of religions. I think there's some beauty

544
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 2: and everything. But just even just in our institutions or

545
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 2: our society or cultural viewpoints, we're told our limitations that

546
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: give us boundaries and little boxes to sit within. And

547
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: I'm here to say, bust out those walls and go

548
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 2: beyond your boundaries and be surprised that you're going to

549
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 2: find so many other things exist. And it's not what

550
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: you were told. Okay, it's not what you were told

551
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: or thought or taught to believe. And so, yes, religion

552
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: is a big one. So I would have to say, Roz,

553
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,080
Speaker 2: it's a personally shape by all these other institutions.

554
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: Ooh, I'm so happy we're having this conversation because this

555
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 1: is totally what this podcast is like, you know again,

556
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: like I came in with these certain beliefs and I've

557
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:53,760
Speaker 1: just left myself open and I hear from a lot

558
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: of people that listen to this show the same thing. Oh,

559
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 1: I didn't know that until you had this person on

560
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: or that person on. So I think you're talking to

561
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: a lot of people with open minds and open years

562
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: and open hearts, and we're here to to take this

563
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: in and I think it's lovely. Going back to it

564
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: being evil though, because I mean, come on, I'm sorry,

565
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm I'm not dwelling on the bad side of Luigia,

566
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: but I do want to squash it as much as

567
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:28,720
Speaker 1: we can.

568
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: Well, I like talking about it, Okay, good, I'll tell

569
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: you why. I'll tell you life is full of polarities,

570
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: and life is all about dualism. I mean, we have

571
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 2: the right, the left, the good, the bad, the up,

572
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:45,280
Speaker 2: the down, all this stuff, you know, binaries, binary, absolutely,

573
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 2: and that's important to know, you guys, you don't exist

574
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: without the other. Okay. So I'm not saying everything's all

575
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: peachy keen. I'm just saying you can focus on what

576
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 2: you want in life and through the opposite you know what,

577
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: you want or don't want, okay, And I'm saying that

578
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 2: dark is it contained and is contained in the light,

579
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 2: just like the yin yang symbol, the white and the

580
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: black symbol that you know spirals around. You got a

581
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 2: black dot in the white part and you got a

582
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: white dot in the black part, to say, it's contained

583
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 2: within each And so if we can look at things

584
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:15,719
Speaker 2: not as bad and good, but as here's an expression,

585
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 2: a full spectrum of ways of responding or behaving or

586
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,760
Speaker 2: codes or whatever you want to call it, ethics or

587
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 2: morality or whatever it is, what you like or don't like.

588
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 2: It's like knowing that then you have a lot more

589
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: possibility to choose from. And life really is about learning

590
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 2: how to work with the polarities. That's what we're here

591
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: in third dimension. This is why we have binary stuff.

592
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 2: I mean, commuter language is all binary code. You know

593
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 2: when one zio zero one one zero one one one

594
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,959
Speaker 2: zero zero one, that's all it is, and that creates

595
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: the whole computation for the computers. And that's very much

596
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 2: in life. So I think it's important to have a

597
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: conversation about both sides of it and not get fixated

598
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 2: in one, but to understand we have a choice always,

599
00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,760
Speaker 2: and our choice is what allows us to vacillate between

600
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: the polarities.

601
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: Well, I think, I mean, I find it damaging to

602
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:08,720
Speaker 1: talk about the paranormal in such black and white terms sometimes,

603
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 1: you know, like when people are like, that's evil, that's bad.

604
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: I think that that's you know, especially when people jump

605
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,120
Speaker 1: to those conclusions, you know. I think I think that

606
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: that's where these beliefs continue.

607
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 2: You know.

608
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: I think that it perpetuates more of you know, paranormal

609
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: investigators saying wijiboards are evil and then now everyone thinks

610
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: they're evil because they're experts or whatever. I think that

611
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:36,959
Speaker 1: that's that's something that has happened as well.

612
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 2: So Well said it's very damaging. Is just just call

613
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: that out. It's like it's like saying, oh, I'm going

614
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 2: to go in this investigation and sit with a candle

615
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 2: in the room, like I said earlier, and I'm going

616
00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: to call in you know, the these energies and heay

617
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:51,080
Speaker 2: talk to me. I want to see who's here, you know,

618
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,800
Speaker 2: And that's all good, good and cool. But once you

619
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 2: pull a weediboard out, it's bad. So I really try

620
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: to help people to get beyond that and to be

621
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 2: see it as neutral. But you but we project here,

622
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 2: we are back to the projections again. We project on

623
00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 2: the board what it can be or can't be, must be,

624
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 2: or shouldn't be, and we put all this crap on

625
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 2: it where it's just really a neutral tool. And so, yeah,

626
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it in a positive experience. You're right,

627
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: you're saying, well, hey, Karen, you're talking all positive about it.

628
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 2: I'll say, because that is what I chose to get

629
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: from it. I'm not saying to get negative from it.

630
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 2: It doesn't exist. That does exist. I mean, I believe

631
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,840
Speaker 2: that evil exists in the hearts of humanity. We do

632
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 2: such horrific things to each other and you're doing it

633
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,719
Speaker 2: around the world right now, and so that's where you

634
00:35:32,840 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 2: find evil. And so it's through our own projection of

635
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: what we want to call to it or call with

636
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: a call out of ourself through these tools. So yeah,

637
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 2: we have to to have a conversation to really understand

638
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 2: what we do. We got it we have, or any

639
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 2: device for that matter, any tool we used to reach

640
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: the unseen dimensions. We have to talk about the polarities

641
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 2: of it. For sure.

642
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: Do you think that the exorcist is to blame.

643
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's so funny about that, I would say,

644
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,520
Speaker 2: on one level, maybe to a certain generation. And then

645
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: after that was the witchboard kind of thing you learned

646
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Speaker 2: about progressive entrapment. But you got understand this. As talking

647
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 2: board historians, what our group does is we do the

648
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,919
Speaker 2: research on the facts about this tool, whether it's talking

649
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 2: board or wija board. And what we found is even

650
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 2: when it first came out, and it first came out

651
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: in eighteen ninety ninety one, although there was a predecessor

652
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,800
Speaker 2: in eighteen eighty six that was out there, and that

653
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:27,920
Speaker 2: one was called a witchboard. Interesting enough, so when they

654
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 2: came out, people started using them. Basically the spiritualist community

655
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 2: snatched them up and used them for a way to

656
00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: talk to the decease. You know, we had the Civil

657
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 2: War in the United States, and then as we moved

658
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 2: forward into the early nineteen hundreds, we do we had

659
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 2: World War one, World War two. People were doing It

660
00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: was a heyday of spiritualism and people were finding new

661
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: ways to communicate with their deceased loved ones.

662
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: And a lot of them were Connor Day.

663
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: Oh, there were so many Charlatans back then. You said

664
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: it was, that's exactly right. So many charlatans and just

665
00:36:57,200 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: just stories snake oil, you know, definitely, and then there

666
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,719
Speaker 2: was some good ones too, But so people snatch this up,

667
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 2: and right from the get go ras there was always

668
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: the projection as well from different groups, we could say, institutions,

669
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 2: different people, differentlaef systems that said that's evil, that's my

670
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 2: evil voice, that's evild, don't do that. Okay, So that

671
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: pretty good, isn't that? It sounds like the extorsist there.

672
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 2: It's bad, not bad. So that seriously, that's so it

673
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 2: started really when the tool came out. Always when you

674
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 2: have something that's mysterious in nature, oh, in your and

675
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 2: you're talking to the forbidden, it's like that then in

676
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 2: itself becomes this thing that is scary and spooky and evil,

677
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 2: and you can't do that. And if you, and why

678
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 2: should you bill do that, only the religious clergy can

679
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 2: do that, or only so and so can do that,

680
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:47,720
Speaker 2: only the charlottan over there can do it, but you can't.

681
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 2: So it's like taking back into your own hands control

682
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: of your life, control of the of what you're going

683
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: to communicate with. It's a very liberating thing. But yes,

684
00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 2: there was always fear about it. But then in the

685
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 2: seventies and that came out in nineteen seventy one, the

686
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 2: Book of the Excio sist. But in seventy three Get

687
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,920
Speaker 2: This Here is a Good Story. December twenty sixth, nineteen

688
00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 2: seventy three, the movie came out. I got my very

689
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 2: first Oija board December twenty fifth, nineteen seventy three, one

690
00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: day before The Exorcist came out? Do Do Do?

691
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:19,960
Speaker 1: Did you talk to Captain Howdy?

692
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: Well? I was the age of eight, and I didn't

693
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: know anything about Captain Howdy, and my parents went let

694
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,479
Speaker 2: me watch that movie, and I think I thought about

695
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,040
Speaker 2: the time, I was probably eighteen or nineteen twenty, and

696
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:31,239
Speaker 2: I thought that is hysterical. You know, I thought that

697
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 2: was hysterical. I never I don't really tried to talk

698
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: to Captain how You. Thought the whole thing was silly.

699
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: So that was not a thing for me. But yeah,

700
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: it's just interesting, not the synchronicity of that.

701
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, okay, I also have this this thought

702
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: or theory or something as someone that doesn't know much.

703
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: But I've always felt like with Weicha boards there you

704
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: can buy them, you know, right next to Candyland and Monopoly, Monopoly,

705
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: and so kids like just buy and then they have

706
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 1: no clue what they're doing, and then yeah, it becomes

707
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 1: this scary thing. I mean, this whole time, it's always

708
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 1: been marketed as a way to talk to the other side, right, kind.

709
00:39:17,080 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: Of it's been marketed as a game.

710
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: But you're right.

711
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,359
Speaker 2: The way they position it on the back of the board,

712
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,720
Speaker 2: it says, oh, ask questions of the unseen, the answers

713
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: will come forth. They don't really see where it's coming from.

714
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Oh okay, So they're specific about that.

715
00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 2: It's kind of open about you know, you're gonna be

716
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 2: met with great surprise and after a while it's going

717
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 2: to work for you and you'll get these messages. They

718
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 2: don't ever say it's the dead. It's the spirituals that

719
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: grabbed it and started using it back in the late

720
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,600
Speaker 2: eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds who said it was

721
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 2: for the deceased. It was really a group of business

722
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: men and one woman who came forward and developed this tool.

723
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 2: And they never really said either are you talking to

724
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: the dead? They just said it's amazing what it does.

725
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: So they always positioned it and market it that way,

726
00:39:58,239 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 2: so it's never really, oh, you gotta talk to the

727
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: It was more like it's the great unknown. But because

728
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 2: people said, and you have this projection in this association

729
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 2: for you know, many years, you know, one hundred and

730
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 2: thirty years now or something one hundred and thirty forty,

731
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: one hundred and cavy to the math, maybe one hundred

732
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: and forty years now, it's it's been positioned that way

733
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 2: to communicate with the deceased. So people tend to associate that.

734
00:40:20,960 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 2: And see Parker Brothers who bought it from William Fold

735
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: and now has bro owns. If they still keep that

736
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: position the same, they don't really say who's coming through, Ah,

737
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: your imagination, your projections, and it just keeps it more

738
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: mysterious in nature. And they said, but it will work,

739
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:39,279
Speaker 2: It'll fascinate your friends for hours or something like that.

740
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: So when did it become like in the toy section?

741
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: Okay, so when it was first patent and trademarked, it

742
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:51,200
Speaker 2: was patented under the auspice of a novelty item or

743
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 2: toy or game, so it's always sold as a toy

744
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 2: or game. So when it was sold by William Fold

745
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 2: Company in nineteen sixty six, It was sold to Parker

746
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 2: Brothers that year and their greatest selling toy at the

747
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 2: time was Monopoly. So one year after they had this

748
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:14,040
Speaker 2: new device, Theuisia board, they were already marketing as a

749
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 2: toy because it always has been marketed as a game

750
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:20,239
Speaker 2: or toy. They outsold their number one game that first year.

751
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: We just outsold Monopoly, so like over a million copies

752
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:28,120
Speaker 2: that first year alone, and so they realized, you know,

753
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 2: that's the strategy. Make it mysterious. It still it always

754
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: has been put in the toy section inbek use it

755
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: eight years and up, and you know what, it's going

756
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 2: to be fun and what I find you hit on

757
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: something really interesting ros a few minutes ago when you

758
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: said that the kids get it and they get their

759
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: scary experiences. You know, since there really are no directions

760
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,839
Speaker 2: other than a few little snippets of things to try,

761
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: it allows you to kind of create your own rules

762
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: and rituals around it. So a lot of fear comes

763
00:41:57,640 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 2: out of that as well. It's like our super stitions

764
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: come alive with this tool because we don't know what

765
00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: do you do with it? You know, as a kid,

766
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do, you know, sit across

767
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 2: from your friend, put your hands on and ask questions, well,

768
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 2: what else do you do? How do you make this

769
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 2: thing work? And so you start projecting again upon it. Well,

770
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,560
Speaker 2: let's create a ritual. We got to burn candles, we

771
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:17,440
Speaker 2: better sage it, we better call on the demons, we bet,

772
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:18,920
Speaker 2: you know. And people write to me and tell me

773
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 2: this all the time, and so they create these wonderful

774
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 2: rituals around it that seem to help it, augment it,

775
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 2: or scare them. It depends what they want to get.

776
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:28,920
Speaker 2: But most kids, when they get it, and if they

777
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,800
Speaker 2: are kids and use it, even teenagers all include in

778
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 2: that category. Two. They've had one or two experiences and

779
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 2: it was always scary, and they were usually a sleepover

780
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 2: or with some friends, maybe even drinking or something, doing

781
00:42:40,760 --> 00:42:43,239
Speaker 2: something silly and then using this tool, and of course

782
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 2: they're going to get scared. That's what they that's where

783
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: they're using it and the lights are off and the

784
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,799
Speaker 2: next thing they hear the wind hits the window. Oh

785
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 2: my god, a ghost is here, you know. And then

786
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: that's their experiences, and they they put the board away,

787
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 2: never use it again.

788
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: You're moving it. No, you're moving it. Stop.

789
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,880
Speaker 2: Oh, it's gotta be a ghost. It's the name that

790
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,800
Speaker 2: we just called it, right, it's my great grandmother, you know.

791
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 2: It's things like that. So you create this whole ambiance

792
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 2: around it. And that's and I got to say, that's

793
00:43:07,440 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 2: the beauty of it too. I mean, I support that.

794
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,840
Speaker 2: I support people using this tool the way they choose

795
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 2: to and create their own rituals around it. But what

796
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: do you want to get out of it? Ultimately, people

797
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: say to me, Karen, I want to use this, and

798
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:21,640
Speaker 2: I say, what do you want to use it for?

799
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 2: And then they may say, well, talking to my deceased

800
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 2: loved ones. I said, okay, that's your focus. Create a

801
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: ritual around that. Bring them in. Maybe you have a

802
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 2: photograph there, or you want to talk to aunt Edna

803
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 2: and you call her in. You got a picture there.

804
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: I mean, create your ritual around it, I say, And

805
00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: so you get to create your own mysterious workings. And

806
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 2: one of my colleagues, Gene Orlando, he owns the museum

807
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 2: at talkingboards dot com. Fantastic site. You can learn a

808
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: lot on there anyway, and he's been on my show

809
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 2: a few times too, and you can hear him speak

810
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 2: about his background with the boards but he coined a

811
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,720
Speaker 2: word called we justitions. It's taking your superstitions and adding

812
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: them to the board, and thus they become we justitions.

813
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:06,960
Speaker 2: And so it's people get really clever and unique with this,

814
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: and it's kind of interesting to hear about them. So

815
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 2: that's kind of what happens.

816
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of two stories that I hear all the time.

817
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: The first story I'm thinking of is I was talking

818
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: to aunt Edna, and then the more I talk to her,

819
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 1: it turned out she was a demon. There's that one,

820
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: a demon doing an impression of aunt Edna. And then

821
00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 1: the other story I hear is people doing Luigia, maybe

822
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: not really getting a response or whatever, and then three

823
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: am they're sleeping and there's somebody in the room and

824
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, sorry I missed your call. I'm here now.

825
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: You know that situation. So what do you have to

826
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:52,919
Speaker 1: say about those?

827
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: That's great? I get the same ones too. So people

828
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: will say to me, and I've using the board now

829
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 2: forty eight years, forty eight years. Next month it'll be

830
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 2: and I'll starting my forty ninth year views the board.

831
00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 2: So people say, oh my gosh, she's talking evil spirits

832
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: that are pretending to be her guides, and I'm like, really,

833
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 2: forty eight years later and I've had nothing but great experiences.

834
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 2: You think they're just gonna haunt me now in my

835
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,480
Speaker 2: forty ninth and fiftieth.

836
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: Year they're really committing it's a.

837
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 2: Sleeping sleeping you know, demon or something like a sleeper

838
00:45:18,560 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: sale sleeper demon demon. I'm like, oh, come on, you

839
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: guys so well.

840
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's like a Pixar movie or something where

841
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: they were demons but they've just like you've trust them

842
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 1: about the lights. Maybe now they're no longer demons and

843
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,719
Speaker 1: they're like, you know what, that whole demon thing's not

844
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: us anymore.

845
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 2: Right, we turned over a new leaf. It's time for

846
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: us to change. We've been doing this for thousands of

847
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,080
Speaker 2: years and now we're gonna go a new light.

848
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:41,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, who knows.

849
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 2: But the thing is this, it's again, it's seen through

850
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 2: my own experiences, in my own viewpoints, and I call

851
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,080
Speaker 2: it my filters of my belief system. And so I

852
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 2: have this filters my belief system, and that's what they're

853
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: gonna come through as So somebody else could sit and

854
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 2: sit on the board next to me, have their own board,

855
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,560
Speaker 2: and we could be trying to tap into the same energy.

856
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: He might get a whole different message than I do

857
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,520
Speaker 2: because they're just tapping a different aspect of an energy,

858
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: you know. Okay, here's an example. I'm gonna do it

859
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: in people terms. Have this girlfriend of mine and she

860
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:13,319
Speaker 2: told me about a friend of hers. She's like, Oh,

861
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 2: he's a pain in the ass. He comes and stays

862
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:16,719
Speaker 2: at your house. He makes a mess, he leaves, he

863
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:18,759
Speaker 2: leaves coffee all over the counter, he doesn't clean up.

864
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 2: So I let him spend the night at my house.

865
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 2: And I said, Gene, it's it's all good. Spend the

866
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 2: night at my house.

867
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: Whatever.

868
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 2: And he gets up, makes his bed tied is it,

869
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 2: makes coffee, cleans it up, puts his dishes away, and

870
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 2: leaves and leaves me, you know, thank you so much.

871
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:32,200
Speaker 2: And I said, well, that's interesting. Why was he like

872
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 2: this with you and why is he like this with me?

873
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:37,400
Speaker 2: I had different standards of expectations. And I think because

874
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 2: he saw that he was going to respect that, she

875
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 2: was just kind of like more bitching. And I think

876
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,759
Speaker 2: he's going to say, well, whatever. So it's like, it's

877
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 2: how you approach somebody, how you approach And I'm going

878
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: to say somebody like a person in this life that

879
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 2: we're talking to each other or even in the spirit realm.

880
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: The energy is there, how do you approach it? What

881
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 2: do you expect of those spirits? And you're gonna find

882
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 2: when there's a higher expectation, that's what's going to show up.

883
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 2: So when you said Roz, well maybe they said turn

884
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 2: over a new leave because she helps U see the light.

885
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 2: I'm not going to disagree that can happen.

886
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,919
Speaker 1: Sometimes that should be your reality show where you make

887
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: over demons and convert them to nice spirits.

888
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: Well, I will tell you what I've had. Some come

889
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 2: to me that have been lost and they tell me

890
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,480
Speaker 2: this and it's not my it's not me judging them.

891
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: It's them saying I need some help on what do

892
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 2: you need help from? And they come and I help

893
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,480
Speaker 2: them find their way into the light or if you

894
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 2: want to say proverbial light or literal light. They actually transform.

895
00:47:32,080 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 2: I've seen that and I'm not surprised. I'm also a psychotherapist,

896
00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 2: so you know I do this with real people in

897
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 2: real life, you know what I mean, or a lot

898
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 2: of people, I should say, So you know you bring yourself,

899
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 2: you can't separate yourself from this medium, from this tool.

900
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:47,960
Speaker 2: You can't separate yourself from the session. So you're going

901
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 2: to bring out that which comes to you. Now, if

902
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: I've had negative experiences, I have had somewhere like beings

903
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: have come through and maybe customed me. I didn't really

904
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 2: know how to majorly control this situation or session. I was.

905
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 2: I was getting better at learning how to do that,

906
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: and I've had some of that. But the thing I say,

907
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: if you get anything that comes through you feel like

908
00:48:07,640 --> 00:48:09,799
Speaker 2: it's less than positive or less than what you want,

909
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 2: then I just say, hey, bye bye, you can't be

910
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 2: here anymore. And I usually pick up the boards and

911
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 2: I wipe it ceremonially with my arm or my sweatshirt

912
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 2: on my shirt. I wipe it off and I put

913
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,000
Speaker 2: it back down, and I have people say what do

914
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: you do? And I go, I'm just getting rid of

915
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:24,600
Speaker 2: that energy. No more, Bye bye, you can't come on

916
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,399
Speaker 2: my board. And I gotta tell you it works every time,

917
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 2: because it's like I shift something in me that brings

918
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:30,400
Speaker 2: in a whole nother energy.

919
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: Ooh.

920
00:48:31,600 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 2: I always tell people what you harbor when you start

921
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,440
Speaker 2: a session is what you're gonna get. So check your

922
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 2: baggage at the door and try to start for a

923
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 2: neutral space or from at least neutral but or from

924
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:44,960
Speaker 2: a place of joy. And then you're going to track

925
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:45,720
Speaker 2: great energies.

926
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,840
Speaker 1: But the thing with a ghost coming back later or

927
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 1: whatever does that?

928
00:48:52,520 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 2: What is that?

929
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:54,359
Speaker 1: Is that well thing?

930
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 2: You brought up a good thing? And that had people

931
00:48:56,640 --> 00:48:59,680
Speaker 2: talk about this. I've had experiences too where you might

932
00:48:59,760 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 2: use the board and communicate with the energy, and the

933
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: energy wants to stick around, and that can happen, and

934
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: it depends what kind of energy you're talking to. Now

935
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,160
Speaker 2: you get when it comes and scares you that it

936
00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: may be your response to it, or maybe the fact

937
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:13,400
Speaker 2: that you know you probably should have gave it better boundaries.

938
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 2: People said, you can't do that. I go, yes, you can.

939
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 2: I have boundaries, and I set these boundaries early nineties

940
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,120
Speaker 2: I started getting pretty goodt using the board after about

941
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:24,919
Speaker 2: fifteen years of using it, so early nineties I said

942
00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: some major boundaries where I said, if you want to

943
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 2: communicate with me, whether it's through the board or off

944
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: the board, and I see spirits and I see all

945
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 2: kinds of different things, and I have conversation with them

946
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 2: off the board too. I said, then you know what,

947
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 2: don't come and surprise me in my sleep. You can

948
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: come through my dreams, but you can't just sit there

949
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 2: and hover over me or the bed and scare the

950
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 2: heck out of me. That's not loud. And so I've

951
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 2: done these boundaries, and it took you a while to

952
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 2: build that up, and there's a lot of techniques for that.

953
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 2: That's a whole nother story, hold another show. But doing

954
00:49:51,080 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 2: that in itself set up this grid work. I'm going

955
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: to call it energy work around me where they know

956
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: that because I do readings. When I do readings, I

957
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,000
Speaker 2: ask for the energies to come through that can help

958
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: me read for this person. And then when that happens,

959
00:50:02,600 --> 00:50:05,960
Speaker 2: I invite in their spirits of a high vibration who

960
00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: have the best interests of heart for this person I'm

961
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 2: reading for or for the message that I'm going to

962
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 2: bring forth, and then they can come through too. But

963
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: there's there's a you set up a boundary for yourself

964
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: and that that does require some inner work on yourself

965
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 2: as well as learning some techniques. But that's this is

966
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 2: more that's more more advanced wag aboard work or advanced

967
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 2: spiritual work. But that's something that's necessary when you start

968
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 2: really getting the communications coming through. So yes, Ros, there's

969
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: possibilities that that can happen. People have done that before.

970
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 2: But you don't need a board for those things to happen.

971
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: And many people can attest to that as well. Well.

972
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: Before you set up those boundaries, were you having people

973
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: hovering over your bed at night?

974
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 2: I was having visitations and I can't just say it

975
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 2: was all just people.

976
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: Tell us a ghost story, tell us a ghost story.

977
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 2: Gosh, I have you guys, so many things have happened

978
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 2: to me over the years, and it's not just because

979
00:50:57,080 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 2: of the board, it's just myself. Well, so okay, we

980
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 2: back up. So at the age I remember, back to

981
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: the age of two, from the age of two to five,

982
00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: I had what everybody would call an imaginary playmate, but

983
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 2: it was not. It was definitely a bean. And I've

984
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 2: learned since when I became a lot older looking back

985
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 2: in hindsight, that that was actually an elemental being that

986
00:51:18,960 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 2: was part of my spirit guide collective. I call them

987
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: the collective group of spirit guides I have. And this

988
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: little being would come to me and talk to me

989
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 2: about my life of my family. I would like who

990
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:30,719
Speaker 2: these people that are tried to tell me what to do,

991
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 2: and it would give me answers and we'd play with me.

992
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: And my mom always said, who are you talking to

993
00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: in there? I said, don't you see, it's my friend.

994
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 2: Daki was his name, and she goes, there's nobody here.

995
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: If you're gonna go to school, you can't be doing this.

996
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,719
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, i gotta put Daki away. So I

997
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 2: thought I put Daki away, and really I kind of

998
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,719
Speaker 2: put them to the side. But then I discovered the

999
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: Ouiji boar at the age of eight, and that's when

1000
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: just everything blew up again. I was able to talk

1001
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 2: to all these different beings, mostly was deceased people. But

1002
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,120
Speaker 2: then when I got really good, probably when I was

1003
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 2: a teenager college, I started talking to all different kinds

1004
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 2: of deceased beings and then it just kept growing from there.

1005
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 2: So along the lines from the age of two up

1006
00:52:07,600 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 2: to where I am now, I still have visitations from

1007
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: different types of beings and sometimes are interdimensional. I've had

1008
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 2: some extraterrestrials come to me. There's one I don't I'm

1009
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 2: not ready to talk about yet. It's in my book

1010
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm writing right now. It's pretty profound. It's probably probably

1011
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: my most special, gosh, the most incredible eye awakening, eye

1012
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 2: opening experience ever, and that that will be out in

1013
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:33,880
Speaker 2: the next book I'm writing right now. I know I

1014
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:36,359
Speaker 2: can't tell you, but I will drop drop some other ones.

1015
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 2: So when I was a lot younger, and this is

1016
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 2: even pre Wigia board. Okay, everyone's gonna go well, it

1017
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 2: happened to her because she was using the Wigia board. No, people,

1018
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:46,839
Speaker 2: this was happening before I was using a Oigia board.

1019
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 2: I've always had spirits come to me. I had the

1020
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,080
Speaker 2: grace come to me, and this is like in nineteen gosh,

1021
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:57,400
Speaker 2: I started early late sixties, early seventies, and then it

1022
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 2: even happened after I had the board. But these I

1023
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 2: didn't know what they were, but these little beings would

1024
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 2: come and stare at me and scare the heck out

1025
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 2: of me, and I'd have these nightmares and I'd I'd

1026
00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 2: see in my room and then I wasn't sure if

1027
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:10,080
Speaker 2: it was I sleep or awake, and then I'd scream

1028
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 2: and my parents said, there's nothing in here, go back

1029
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,760
Speaker 2: to sleep, you know, I'll get something to cry about,

1030
00:53:14,239 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: you know, And I was like, oh my god, I was,

1031
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 2: so I was terrified of the dark for years. It

1032
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:22,879
Speaker 2: wasn't until I think it was nineteen seventy nine eighty

1033
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: when Whitley Strouper wrote a book called Communion. It came

1034
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 2: out and I saw the creature's face on that book

1035
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 2: and I went, BINGO, that's what I saw all those

1036
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 2: years ago, a decade earlier. I go, that is what

1037
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 2: I was seeing, And so I began that's I realized

1038
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 2: it was those little extraterrestrial beings that were coming and

1039
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 2: we had a relationship. But it was scary because I

1040
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 2: didn't know how to interpret it. And it was scary

1041
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 2: because they would come and I'd be paralyzed. You that's

1042
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: pretty scary for young kids, scary for an adult. So

1043
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:56,120
Speaker 2: they they were some of the first beings that would

1044
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: come to me. But there was another group of beings

1045
00:53:57,560 --> 00:53:59,800
Speaker 2: that came around the same time. And these beings I

1046
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,160
Speaker 2: all the Guardians. And I remember one time and I

1047
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 2: was in second grade, so I got the waygeboard when

1048
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: I was in third grade. I was in second grade.

1049
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 2: This pre wee ja again and again, you guys, I

1050
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 2: always was so open clairvoyant. Claire Audience, Claire Centience, My

1051
00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: Clarees are very open, especially when I was a young child.

1052
00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 2: So I had these beans that would come to me,

1053
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 2: and one I remember even Christmas Eve, and so they

1054
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 2: would come at auspicious times or near an auspicious times.

1055
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:29,160
Speaker 2: So I would say, oh, that's Easter bunny. Oh that

1056
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: must be the tooth fairy, you know, right around Easter,

1057
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 2: right around Christmas, or at least a month before Christmas,

1058
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,840
Speaker 2: so I could say, oh, that's Santa Claus checking on me.

1059
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 2: So these beans would come, and what they'd look like.

1060
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: They were these large I mean tall. They filled the door,

1061
00:54:43,080 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: but I didn't see a body or form, but it

1062
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 2: was like huge light. And I'd say they because it

1063
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 2: felt like it almost felt like it was a maybe

1064
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 2: male female. I wasn't sure because but I truly know

1065
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 2: they're adrogynists, because I've spoken to him since. But they

1066
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Speaker 2: would come and I could hear this more feminine voice,

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Speaker 2: Hey do you think she's asleep? And then this more

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Speaker 2: masking voice said, well, let me go check. And one

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Speaker 2: of them walked over to me and I saw it

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Speaker 2: and I go, oh my god, it's Santa Claus and

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Speaker 2: it's helpers up butt. I closed my eyes. They're gonna

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Speaker 2: think if I'm awake, he's gonna, you know, see Santa Claus. Right.

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Speaker 2: It's like, close my eyes and I'm like trying to.

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Speaker 2: When you get your eyes closed, you're nervous. They start blinking, fluttering.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, don't do that, don't do that. Hold your

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Speaker 2: breat no breathe, hold your breat no breathe. Okay, he

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Speaker 2: puts his hand.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I felt a hand touched me on my face, on

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Speaker 2: my eye, just lay there for a moment, very loving.

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Speaker 2: I felt like this rush of unconditional love flow through me.

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Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, that's so calming. Then

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Speaker 2: he backed away. I thought, okay, no, look and they

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Speaker 2: were gone. But they've come. They used to. That was

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Speaker 2: the first time I remember them coming. They came throughout

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Speaker 2: my childhood for many times, and every time they would

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Speaker 2: come to the doorway, I felt this instead of feeling

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Speaker 2: the freaked out feelings when the little grays. These guys

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Speaker 2: were amazing, I immediately feel this rush of love. I

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Speaker 2: just felt so safe and I was like, oh, take

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Speaker 2: me with you, you know, I want to be with

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Speaker 2: you guys. I was just so loving, and I remember

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Speaker 2: telling my parents about this. They're like, oh God, you're

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Speaker 2: the one that sees Santa Claus. You're the one that

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Speaker 2: sees tooth firs. You're the one sees Easter Bunny. You're

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Speaker 2: the one. I'm like, but they're here, you know, what

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Speaker 2: do I tell you know? They didn't blame me, but

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Speaker 2: I learned later on their names actually called the Guardians.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to Karen A. Dolmen And if you want

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Speaker 1: to hear a little bit more about the Guardians, that's

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Speaker 1: what we're talking about on Patreon this week. Get a

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Speaker 1: patreon dot com slash rolesdres Falles. You can also watch

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Speaker 1: me vlogging and some of my recent la adventures this

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Speaker 1: past weekend, and tune in next week because Karen will

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Speaker 1: be back. We will be doing some listener questions that

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Speaker 1: I went on the Facebook group and I said, hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: I got Karen A. Dolman, she knows all about weija boards.

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Speaker 1: You got some questions, send them on in. I got

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Speaker 1: a bunch of great questions, so we do that next week.

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Speaker 1: We'll have her answer those. And I would also like

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Speaker 1: to give a shout out to Patrick Keller, who listened

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Speaker 1: to this show as a fellow podcaster and recommended her

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Speaker 1: as a guest, So thank you so much for that,

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Speaker 1: and anyone listened to the show. If you know of

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Speaker 1: somebody cool with a cool ghost story or whatever, let

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Speaker 1: me know. I always appreciate that because I do do

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Speaker 1: this show every single week, so I'm always looking for guests.

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Speaker 1: So let me know you know how to get a

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Speaker 1: hold of me. Please rate the show five stars. Get

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Speaker 1: me back to five stars, not this four point nine shit.

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Speaker 1: Please rate it five stars on Apple Podcasts. Leave a

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Speaker 1: ghost story in a comment or just you know, maybe

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Speaker 1: Um I might be forgetting something. I don't know some

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Speaker 1: of your listener stories to ghosted by rosigmail dot com

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Speaker 1: with the subject line listener episodes and I hope you

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Speaker 1: have a great week. I love you all, both living

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Speaker 1: and dead. But if I didn't ask you to haunt me,

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Speaker 1: don't haunt me. Okay.

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