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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in everybody. Friday edition of The Clay An Buck

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Speaker 2: Show begins right now. I cannot believe we're into August already,

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Speaker 2: but here we are much to discuss with you. Our

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Speaker 2: main man, Clay on a much deserved vacation with his family.

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Speaker 2: I think he's in eastern Tennessee. He's, you know, enjoying

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Speaker 2: time out there, chasing some black bears around, probably drinckets,

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Speaker 2: some good bourbon, all that good stuff. So yeah, he's

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Speaker 2: having fun out there in Tennessee out the woods. Oh,

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Speaker 2: he's at Dollywood today. I thought he was doing like

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Speaker 2: a hike, you know, so he was going to see

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Speaker 2: badgers and bears and wolves. Oh my, but he's actually

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Speaker 2: at Dollywood today. So anyway, Clay will be back with

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Speaker 2: us on Monday. They have bourbon at Dollywood though, so

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Speaker 2: at least part of my guest was correct, I assume, right.

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Speaker 2: So we've got, like I said, a lot of things

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Speaker 2: to get into. Also, we didn't really take a lot

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Speaker 2: of calls yesterday. All I got so fired up talking

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Speaker 2: about the betrayal of the American people by the elites

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Speaker 2: and that New York Times off d like I said,

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Speaker 2: cross posted the main story for hours on Fox News

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Speaker 2: really resonated because people were just saying, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: There is this belief that if they can just defeat Trump,

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Speaker 2: they'll defeat what Trump has come to represent for so

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Speaker 2: many people. And that's not going away. It hasn't been addressed.

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Speaker 2: In fact, if anything, it has been made a more

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Speaker 2: urgent need in the minds of many people to address

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Speaker 2: deficiencies and imbalances in the system as it exists in

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Speaker 2: order to benefit the elites under the pretense that they're

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Speaker 2: so somehow, so special and exceptional. We'll get into some

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Speaker 2: of that. I mean Trump obviously, after the indictment yesterday,

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Speaker 2: indictment number three four could be right around the corner

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Speaker 2: here with Atlanta point, I just wonder, why, you know,

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Speaker 2: somebody else, some other ambitious left wing maybe even Soros

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Speaker 2: back prosecutor somewhere, why not just throw an indictment number five.

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Speaker 2: Trump's attitude at this point is effectively that he's like, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, one more indictment, I'm gonna be president for sure,

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Speaker 2: because everyone is seeing how crazy this is, how absurd

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Speaker 2: it all is, what better way could we The American

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Speaker 2: people have a referendum on all things Trump twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: the four years leading up to it, which you can

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Speaker 2: go back and check. When I was doing solo radio

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Speaker 2: in twenty nineteen, I would sometimes people say, stop, you

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Speaker 2: sound like you know, you're euphoric. I would just tell

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Speaker 2: them height to the Trump presidency, that's economy was booming,

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Speaker 2: we were at peace, the terrorist had been defeated. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you know, I would say, enjoy this, it's not gonna last.

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Speaker 2: Come on radio and say this is about as good

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Speaker 2: as it gets from the perspective of politics and the

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Speaker 2: position of America. And then of course we got here

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Speaker 2: with the pandemic and the BLM riots and you know, pandemonium, right,

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Speaker 2: it's a lesson there too. Things can change very quickly.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what the Democrats have in store for

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Speaker 2: us next year. I don't believe for one second they're

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Speaker 2: just gonna, yeah, we're just gonna trot Biden out and

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Speaker 2: see how it goes, and trot will we'll Biden out.

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Speaker 2: But Trump says he's being persecuted. That's not a surprise

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Speaker 2: at all. After what happened yesterday. I pleaded not guilty.

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Speaker 2: That happened right after we finished the show here. Sixty

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Speaker 2: nine percent of Republicans I saw this believe Biden's twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty win was illegitimate, which is just interesting to see

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Speaker 2: that more and more people are connected. So the media

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Speaker 2: won't do this for you. I want to get into

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Speaker 2: why it makes sense that even more people would find

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Speaker 2: it illegitimate. Right, Well, we can talk about that. Eric

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Speaker 2: Adams in New York City, you know, as a pretty

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Speaker 2: much lifelong New Yorker until now, he is eyeing three

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Speaker 2: thousand sites for those migrants, including including the possibility of

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Speaker 2: putting some of them, they're saying in somewhere in Central Park,

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Speaker 2: So turning Central Park into an illegal alien migrant camp

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Speaker 2: at least part of it somewhere that is being discussed

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Speaker 2: now in New York City. And then I've also got

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Speaker 2: some other interesting stories. Just I'll get to them if

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Speaker 2: we can, if we have time, because they're gonna be

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Speaker 2: busy today. Columbia Law School, you know, after the Supreme

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Speaker 2: when they found out they couldn't discriminate on the basis

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Speaker 2: of race anymore. Oh, you're gonna want to hear it.

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Speaker 2: They've already reversed it, you're gonna want to hear it.

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Speaker 2: But behind all of the political discussions we have these

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Speaker 2: days on this show and going on across the country,

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Speaker 2: there is a question that keeps coming up, and it's

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Speaker 2: something you know, Clay and I see this one a

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Speaker 2: little bit differently, And so far as I think there's

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Speaker 2: thinks it's just not it's not gonna happen for him.

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Speaker 2: Is too decred I mean, we agree on how decrepit

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Speaker 2: Democrat machinery still believes that Joe Biden is their guy.

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Speaker 2: Clay and many others. You know, we've had Uncle Bill,

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Speaker 2: Bill O'Reilly on the show. We've had I've seen Tucker

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Speaker 2: saying the same thing. They think it'll be Gavin Newsom

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Speaker 2: and others. Okay, well, I think the analysis of why

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Speaker 2: one would believe it's even possible Joe Biden could be

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Speaker 2: the nominee is worth doing right now or run for

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Speaker 2: reelection right now? He is the nominee run for re

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Speaker 2: election for the Democrats. There is a piece that came

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Speaker 2: out earlier this week by David Samuels, and I'll put

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Speaker 2: we'll put this up. Just give us a couple of

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Speaker 2: minutes to put it up there at Clayandbuck dot com

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Speaker 2: so you can see it. It's called The Obama Factor,

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Speaker 2: and it is a it's a piece, but it also

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Speaker 2: has a Q and A with historian David Garro. And

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Speaker 2: Garo wrote the most thorough biography of Obama came out

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Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen. You did like hundreds and hundreds of

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Speaker 2: interviews every he actually tracked down and spoke to at length.

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Speaker 2: Obama's most serious girlfriend when he was I think in

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Speaker 2: law school age in his twenties, and not surprising to

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Speaker 2: any of you, I'm sure, but there are many things

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Speaker 2: in Obama's autobiographies, two autobiographies. I always said, if you're

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Speaker 2: you being a narcissist is definitely one hundred percent, Right,

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Speaker 2: But put that aside, and how much of either one

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Speaker 2: of those did he actually write versus someone else?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 2: And he puts his name on, But there are just

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Speaker 2: straight up fabrications in his autobiography. I know that's not

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Speaker 2: new in the beginning of the Tablet magazine piece, he

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Speaker 2: talks about how the breakup that Obama had with his

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Speaker 2: very at the time, very serious girlfriend, it comes from

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Speaker 2: Obama being unwilling to decry clear anti semitism from some

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Speaker 2: of the black leadership in Chicago at the time and

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Speaker 2: his girlfriend being very Obama lied about this and said

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Speaker 2: it was something else, something self serving. But that's not

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Speaker 2: according to this historian, that is not, in fact what happened.

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Speaker 2: But there's something even more interesting that I wanted to

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Speaker 2: get to, and it is who's really running this White House?

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Speaker 2: Who is really when I say calling the shots? There's

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Speaker 2: a whole bureaucracy, there's a whole machinery of the White House.

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Speaker 2: I was in the White House briefing for the CIA

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Speaker 2: when I was a kid in my twenties, went back,

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Speaker 2: have been backed numerous times later on as a radio

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Speaker 2: host whatever. I am now a person with opinion and thoughts.

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Speaker 2: So I've been there in two very different contexts. And

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of staff and all the stuff that

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Speaker 2: you think the West wing is buzzing, and that's all true,

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Speaker 2: But who's making the critical strategic decisions in this White House?

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Speaker 2: I think some of You see where I'm going with this.

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Speaker 2: No one believes it's Joe Biden. But Joe Biden's perfect

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Speaker 2: because he has no political core. He just wanted to

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Speaker 2: keep collecting, you know, collecting the government checks as a

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Speaker 2: senator and being treated as someone who's really important, and

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Speaker 2: then allowing his son and his brother to go around

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Speaker 2: and sell influence. Like Joe Biden, It's all just transactional.

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden's ideology is whatever helps me pay the mortgage

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Speaker 2: on the beach house. He doesn't care. That's who he's

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Speaker 2: been his whole life, an empty suit, but a perfect

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Speaker 2: person for this job right now, to be the Democrat

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Speaker 2: trojan horse in this White House to give far left

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Speaker 2: wing policies if anyone wants to wide open border, worst

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Speaker 2: border we've ever seen happening under Joe Biden. Mister moderate

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Speaker 2: Delaware Democrat, roll up the sleeves right, chew to work

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Speaker 2: with Joe. Man. He's a Union Democrat. He's reasonable, right,

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Speaker 2: all that stuff, good old Joe. Look at his grin,

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Speaker 2: irish charm lies. I shouldn't say lot misrepresentations, fabrications. But

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Speaker 2: in this piece, which is an amazing read, and there

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Speaker 2: are some really powerful revelations that appear in it, which

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Speaker 2: I will get into some of them. I want to

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Speaker 2: think this is important. Remember, the piece is the Obama.

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Speaker 2: It starts with the Obama factor, right, that is the title.

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Speaker 2: Here's something that's interesting. I'm just going to put this

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Speaker 2: Who runs this White House? Who makes the final determination

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Speaker 2: about what policies are going to be pursued, what decisions

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Speaker 2: from the very topic? Does anyone really think it's Joe Biden.

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's Joe Biden. I think there's got

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden at this point, They've got to stick somebody

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Speaker 2: else in there. Maybe we'll see, but we all agree

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Speaker 2: that the faculties to make those high level decisions aren't there,

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Speaker 2: nor is the ideological foundation. Joe doesn't care what is

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Speaker 2: he'll do. So who is calling the shots? Well, here

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Speaker 2: is Samuel's writing about what happened here between July fourth

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Speaker 2: and Labor Day, sure, but the rest of the year,

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Speaker 2: Barack Obama lives in a large brick mansion in Colorama.

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Speaker 2: Colorama is a very fancy area of DC. Big mansions there,

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it strike you as weird that an ex president,

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Speaker 2: he's comparatively young, and he's living in the center of Washington, DC.

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Speaker 2: The original excuse was that Sasha had to finish school.

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Speaker 2: Then you could say, well, the opposition to Trump needs

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Speaker 2: a figure to rally around. But now Sasha has graduated

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Speaker 2: from USC, Trump is gone, Joe Biden was elected president,

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Speaker 2: but Obama is still there. Huh isn't that interesting? He

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Speaker 2: asks him a follow up question. Remember this is Samuel's

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Speaker 2: I mean, I've heard from more than one source that

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Speaker 2: there are regular meetings at Obama's house in Colorama, involving

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Speaker 2: and cars outside. I don't write about it because it's

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Speaker 2: not my lane. There are over one thousand reporters in Washington,

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Speaker 2: and yet there are zero stakeouts of Obama's mansion, if

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Speaker 2: clearly he clearly has his ore. In end quote, you know,

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Speaker 2: I gotta tell you I thought this in the back

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Speaker 2: of my mind all along. But there's so much there's so

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Speaker 2: much media smoke screen around this. Oh Obama's in Hawaii.

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Speaker 2: Oh Obama's in Martha's vin You'll hear about the Martha's

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Speaker 2: Vineyard mansion all the twelve less. I mean, right now

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Speaker 2: you're hearing about it. Someone drowned and police are not

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Speaker 2: answering all the questions. There's something strange. People are wondering, well,

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Speaker 2: why can't we just get all the answers there? Put

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Speaker 2: that aside for a second. You hear about Hawaii, You'll

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Speaker 2: hear about the Netflix deals and the tens of millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars the Obamas are being paid just to be

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Speaker 2: the Obama's right, I mean, just just cauz. But do

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Speaker 2: And we've been talking a lot today about the Obama factor.

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Speaker 2: See this goes to why I believe they're going to

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Speaker 2: He's standing there. It all continues because it was never

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Speaker 2: contingent on his abilities, his thoughts, or his leadership in

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Speaker 2: the first place. This is important. This is important. I

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Speaker 2: think it shows you where we're heading here. And then

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Speaker 2: can't you also see the get Trump deep state operation,

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Speaker 2: the continuation of the Obama leave behinds. Brennan for example,

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Speaker 2: Obama's close buddy and CIA director, huge part of the

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Speaker 2: effort to take Trump and get Trump out of office.

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Speaker 2: Look at what happened to the DOJ, Look at happen

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Speaker 2: to what the FBI, look at those institutions that were

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Speaker 2: corrupted by these Marxist deep state Obama leave behinds. And

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Speaker 2: now you see under the Biden administration, how are they

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Speaker 2: hoping to keep the Biden regime going to use those

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Speaker 2: same instruments at the DOJ, the deep state, the intel community,

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Speaker 2: all the rest of it to effectively hobble Trump going

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Speaker 2: into this election. The system, the machine just keeps on going.

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Speaker 2: This is why got Gavin Newsom. I don't think I

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Speaker 2: don't think the machine thinks they need him. Yet they're

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Speaker 2: holding off on Gavin Newsom until later. I think he

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Speaker 2: will run. I don't think he's going to run this

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Speaker 2: time around. I could be wrong. And as I've said

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Speaker 2: all along, if Joe Biden, if his health does truly fail,

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Speaker 2: and he's an eighty year old man, so that's not

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Speaker 2: that wouldn't be strange, then of course things change and

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Speaker 2: then the machinery will pivot. But it is because I

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Speaker 2: believe they all recognize that on important decision making, on

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Speaker 2: pushing the Marxist progressive left wing agenda forward for four

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Speaker 2: loud or spell it is irrelevant because he's not the

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Speaker 2: one who is calling the shots. Go check out that piece,

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Voices of Sanity and Insane

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Speaker 1: World got a special.

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Speaker 2: Surprise for all of you. Didn't even promo this one.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 2: We have vi vike Ramaswami with us right now calling in.

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Speaker 2: He is running for presidents and he's doing a heck

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Speaker 2: of a job so far. Viveke, great to have you

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Speaker 2: calling in, my friend, Thanks for being with us.

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Speaker 5: John, how you guys doing.

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Speaker 2: We're good man. So you were in Nashville yesterday. I

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Speaker 2: want to first, you know, bring up to speed on

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Speaker 2: the last twenty four hours. We can get some of

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Speaker 2: the broader issues, the indictments, the campaign, all the things

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Speaker 2: happening right now, but first tell me what you were

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Speaker 2: and tell everybody what you were doing in Nashville and

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Speaker 2: what your purpose has been there.

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Speaker 5: Well, my purpose was very focused on calling for the

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Speaker 5: release of the transgender shooter's manifesto.

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Speaker 2: Period.

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Speaker 5: I think that this is a shame that this hasn't

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Speaker 5: yet been released, but it's typical of what's happening in

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Speaker 5: the country where we have a government that believes that

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Speaker 5: the people cannot be trusted with the truth. That tragedy,

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Speaker 5: that tragic shooting of six people at Covenant School occurred

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Speaker 5: on March twenty seventh. In April, Governor Bill Lee and

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Speaker 5: others gestured towards the likely release of the manifesto. We're

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Speaker 5: now sitting in August. That manifesto has still not been released,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's wrong because there's a long standing

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Speaker 5: tradition in law enforcement whenever the manifesto is recovered to

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Speaker 5: release it to help understand the most we can about

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Speaker 5: a tragedy to help prevent something like it from happening

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Speaker 5: in the future. But my particular reason for going to

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Speaker 5: Nashville this month, to Tennessee now is that Governor Bill

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Speaker 5: Lee then has the gall to nonetheless call a special

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Speaker 5: session of the legislature to pass red flag laws and

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Speaker 5: anti gun measures without actually releasing to the public the

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Speaker 5: essence of that manifesto. And I just think that's wrong.

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Speaker 5: I think it erodes a public trust. I think it

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Speaker 5: reinforces this wrong belief that the public cannot handle the truth.

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Speaker 5: And so I went there to say, on behalf of

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Speaker 5: the citizens of this country, yes, actually we can handle

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Speaker 5: the truth.

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Speaker 2: So the vague publicly I've called on this show and

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Speaker 2: in other forums as well for the release of the manifesto.

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Speaker 2: My sense of it all along has been, and I'm

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Speaker 2: sure this is a part of what's going on, that

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Speaker 2: there would be some very troubling things in there from

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Speaker 2: the perspective of the beliefs of this transgender terrorist and

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Speaker 2: either quote anti trans laws that are being passed in

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Speaker 2: different or you know, the right wing conducting some kind

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Speaker 2: of a quote erasure of trans people and they don't

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Speaker 2: want the public to see that, right, That's been my

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Speaker 2: assessment all along. Is there another component to this? I mean,

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Speaker 2: now that you've gone right to the heart of this

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Speaker 2: debate and showed up in Nashville and tried to push

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Speaker 2: for the release of the transgender shooter's manifesto, is there

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Speaker 2: a part of the argument that we're not hearing as

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Speaker 2: much that actually makes more sense to you, even if

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Speaker 2: you still believe it should be released.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that there is likely something else going

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Speaker 5: on here. That's my strong sense. I think there were

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Speaker 5: people who came from that community who are also against

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Speaker 5: its release. But my view is, even if it's not

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Speaker 5: my preferred political narrative or somebody else's preferred political narrative,

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Speaker 5: we should not have preferred political narratives. Actually, we should

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Speaker 5: just be interested in the truth. America is founded on

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Speaker 5: the truth, on a government accountable to its people rather

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Speaker 5: than the other way around. And so even if the

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Speaker 5: truth isn't that they are protecting some transgender hate crime

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Speaker 5: against a Christian school, which is my base case assumption,

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Speaker 5: you know, I think that, having been there and on

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Speaker 5: the ground my senses, that may not be the story.

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Speaker 5: But all we have now to do is to be

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Speaker 5: left to guess, and I think that that's wrong.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 5: One of the arguments that they sometimes use is to

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Speaker 5: say that they don't want to provide inspiration or a

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Speaker 5: roadmap for people who can commit similar crimes in the future.

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Speaker 5: I don't want that either. Nobody wants that. I think

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Speaker 5: if there are details of a crime that need that

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Speaker 5: need to be you know, laid out, well, those can

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Speaker 5: be redacted in the case of a memo that's public release,

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Speaker 5: I'd be supportive of that. But nonetheless, we have to

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Speaker 5: see at least the truth about the motives. We have

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Speaker 5: to see the truth about what was behind this killer's motives.

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Speaker 5: We have a mental health epidemic in this country. Genderdice forty,

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Speaker 5: I believe is the mental health condition. We have to

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Speaker 5: confront that reality, but a deeper mental health condition. If

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Speaker 5: people pose risks to their communities, we need to to

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Speaker 5: deal with that in a different way than just removing

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Speaker 5: guns from law abiding citizens, which is exactly what Tennessee

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Speaker 5: is on track to do later this month. And history

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Speaker 5: teaches us that we make our worst policy decisions under

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Speaker 5: conditions of a so called response to an emergency. When

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Speaker 5: we suppress the truth that's exactly what happened during the

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Speaker 5: COVID nineteen pandemic, and I see the same mistake on

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Speaker 5: track to repeat itself in Tennessee, by the way, under

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Speaker 5: a Republican governor.

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Speaker 2: At them the thek Ramaswami with us. Now he's running

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Speaker 2: for president, he's showing up big already in some of

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Speaker 2: the polls relative to the other challengers. And Viveke, did

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Speaker 2: you I don't know if if you've seen this, so

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Speaker 2: I'm kind of putting you on the spot, but I'm

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Speaker 2: curious what your assessment of it. Is a lot of

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Speaker 2: folks reacting to this. David Samuel's kind of magazine piece

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Speaker 2: in Tablet where he goes into effectively Obama's actually calling

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Speaker 2: a lot of the shots for the Biden and this

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Speaker 2: seems to pull together a lot of different threads. Makes

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Speaker 2: a lot of sense to me. What's your assessment of

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Speaker 2: that and how it pertains to Biden going forward?

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Speaker 5: Well, this issue is pretty relevant to my campaign. I'm

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Speaker 5: a little bit outside the Gop Overton window here on this.

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Speaker 5: My whole point is, I think we need to stop

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Speaker 5: talking about Biden right. The party line is what the

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Speaker 5: political consultants are coaching. The candidates to do, and every

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Speaker 5: other candidate is doing. It's talking about the radical Biden agenda.

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Speaker 5: My messages folks to stop talking about Biden for two reasons.

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Speaker 5: First of all, we have to actually talk more about

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Speaker 5: an affirmative vision of our own. It was our failure

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Speaker 5: to do that that I believe actually lost us what

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Speaker 5: was the red wave that never came in twenty twenty two.

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Speaker 5: But the deeper reason is the dirty little secret that

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Speaker 5: Biden is not in charge. The people we elect to

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Speaker 5: run the government are not the ones who actually run

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Speaker 5: the government. That is the dirty little secret of modern

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Speaker 5: federal government in the United States of America. It is

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Speaker 5: the managerial class in the deep state. And if we're

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Speaker 5: unwilling to waigh up to that reality, then we're just

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Speaker 5: going to swap out one Republican puppet for a Democratic puppet.

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Speaker 5: But it's going to be the still same managerial machine

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Speaker 5: that runs the show. So the only thing I would say,

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Speaker 5: and I haven't read the piece, but reacting to what

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Speaker 5: you said, is I think there's a temptation to then

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Speaker 5: pin it to another one person, say Obama. It's not

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Speaker 5: one person. It is a machine. It is a system

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Speaker 5: that is bigger than any one person. It is the Leviathan. Okay,

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Speaker 5: this is the Leviathan that Hobbs wrote about four hundred

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Speaker 5: years ago. It exists on modern American soil. It is

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Speaker 5: the hollowed out husk of a republic that we actually

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Speaker 5: live in today. And I think the more we talk

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Speaker 5: about that, Clay, I'm leading the way and offering specifics,

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Speaker 5: unprecedented detail on how we would shut down that administrative state,

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Speaker 5: that deep state, and how that will stimulate the economy,

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Speaker 5: how that restores accountability in government. That's how we actually

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Speaker 5: win this election in a landslide. But the more we

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Speaker 5: fixate on just talking about Joe Biden and offering pole

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Speaker 5: tested platitudes from Republican political consultants, the more we're missing

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Speaker 5: the plot. And I think, by the way, the more

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Speaker 5: likelyas we're going to lose the next election too.

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Speaker 2: Now we are being told that any day now, and

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Speaker 2: I think at this point it's an assumption, right, It's not. Oh,

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Speaker 2: maybe there's going to be an indictment in Atlanta. I'd

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Speaker 2: be shocked if it didn't happen, which could mean a

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Speaker 2: fourth criminal indictment against Donald Trump. Now you have maintained,

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Speaker 2: Vivek that you are running to be president, not running

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Speaker 2: to be Trump vice president or Treasury secretary or anything else.

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Speaker 2: What do you think the proper response of the GOP

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Speaker 2: speaking of machinery should be two? Well, certainly three and

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Speaker 2: likely soon four criminal indictments of your chief opponent in

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Speaker 2: this primary.

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Speaker 5: But there's a lot of people who want to hear

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Speaker 5: me sit around in bash Trump. I'm not going to

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Speaker 5: do it, because, honestly, I think he was an excellent president.

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Speaker 5: I think that his victory over Hillary Clinton in twenty

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Speaker 5: sixteen was probably the single most political and politically important

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Speaker 5: event in my lifetime, certainly in this century, stopping the

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Speaker 5: inevitable Marxist march throughout this country and our government. And

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Speaker 5: so if you want to hear a bunch of people

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Speaker 5: bashing Trump, tune into MSNBC. That's not what I'm going

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Speaker 5: I would have made different judgments than Trump made, but

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Speaker 5: a bad judgment is not a crime. And I think

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Speaker 5: it is no accident that you are seeing three now

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Speaker 5: this is politicized persecution. Through prosecution, it sets an awful

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Speaker 5: and dangerous legal precedent in our country. Even that most

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Speaker 5: recent indictment effectively criminalizing seeking good faith legal advice and

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Speaker 5: a lawyer giving it, turning that activity into a so

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Speaker 5: It is dangerous precedents that shake the foundations of our

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Speaker 5: but that would be the wrong thing for the country.

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Speaker 5: And that is why I've been so forceful on this,

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Speaker 2: I'm buck Clays out today, but close enough, go ahead.

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Speaker 5: We will we will pardon him. What's that?

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Speaker 2: let's let's get onto the the the immigration frontier for

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Speaker 2: a second, because you know you've seen I'm sure and

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Speaker 2: You've seen the migrants who are out in the streets

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Speaker 2: the Please secure the border. Yeah, yeah, we know, enforce

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Speaker 5: How Yeah, so let me let me go quickly because

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Speaker 5: there's a lot here. One is, the wall is not enough.

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Speaker 5: We must use the US military to secure the southern border.

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Speaker 5: We have one point three million men and women serving today,

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Speaker 5: seven hundred thousand more in reserve. That is plenty to

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Speaker 5: secure the southern border. Close the Swiss cheese of a hole.

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Speaker 5: They're building cartel financed tunnels underneath that wall. It's the

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Speaker 5: source of most of the fentanyl coming into this country.

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Speaker 5: That's how we end it. Stop funding for sanctuary cities

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Speaker 5: that eliminates the incentives, and further stop a dime of

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Speaker 5: until Mexico itself has solved its own southern border problem.

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Speaker 5: So that's how we solve the illegal migration problem. And

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Speaker 1: From the front Lines of Truth Clay Travis and Buck Sexton.

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Speaker 2: There have been some historians making the rounds on MSNBC

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Speaker 2: to talk about the Trump indictments with the threats to

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Speaker 2: our democracy and the u oh, oh, I'm sorry, you

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Speaker 2: know what here you can hear from everybody right now.

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Speaker 2: This is a montage of media libs all saying that

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Speaker 2: Trump is a threat to democracy.

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Speaker 7: Play two Pearl Harbor nineteen forty one, nine to eleven,

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Speaker 7: two thousand and one. Donald Trump, just like those other

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Speaker 7: threats to American democracy, tried to destroy our system.

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Speaker 1: He's an existential threat to the national security of our country.

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Speaker 2: Put Donald Trump in this box as an existential threat.

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Speaker 5: The existential threat being Trump.

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Speaker 2: Trump is an existential threat to democracy.

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Speaker 6: These indictments, which is about the future of American democracy.

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Speaker 6: Democracy itself is really an issue in this trial. If

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Speaker 6: Trump could get away with what he's done, what he's

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Speaker 6: charged with, then we don't have the democracy we believed

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Speaker 6: we had.

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Speaker 2: It would be the end of our democracy. If Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump was able to get back into office, it's the

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Speaker 2: end of the world as we know it. But I

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Speaker 2: do not feel fine. Is that Rim? Is that rim Am?

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Speaker 3: Right? Right?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Rim.

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Speaker 2: Remember when they had a moment back in the nineties,

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Speaker 2: I think it was losing my religion. I was never

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Speaker 2: an Ram fan. Was gonna say it now. I even

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Speaker 2: I was like, this Ben stinks anyway. But there you

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Speaker 2: have it. The okay, it's so terrible. Trump is a

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Speaker 2: threat and existential threat to democracy, going to end the

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Speaker 2: country and all this stuff. Some of them are historians too,

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Speaker 2: are making the rounds to say that this is a

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Speaker 2: historic threat. But you know who's not a historian, a

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Speaker 2: reverend but not a historian, Al Sharpton, And I just

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Speaker 2: want you to hear his assessment of Trump as a

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Speaker 2: threat to democracy. Play it.

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Speaker 8: One day, our children's children will read American history, and

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Speaker 8: can you imagine our reading the James Madison or Thomas

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Speaker 2: So that's who we're looking at.

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Speaker 8: We're looking at American history, and how we will play

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, can you imagine everybody? Can you Imagine for

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Speaker 2: a second if the Founding Fathers, you know, Jefferson in

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Speaker 2: of That's crazy. That's just so crazy, isn't it. You know,

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Speaker 2: if there's one thing you can say about Thomas Jefferson,

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Speaker 2: it's that he was gonna do whatever the regime in

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Speaker 2: What do you need? I got you covered? Not so much,

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Speaker 2: not so much, it turns out, But that was a

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Speaker 2: as a New Yorker, I've been hearing so much about

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