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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace breaking news now an arrest

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Speaker 1: has been made in the case of four beautiful Idaho

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Speaker 1: University students massacred. We believe in their own beds asleep,

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Speaker 1: I mean, see Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you

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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. First of all, take a listen to

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Speaker 1: Chief James Fry. Last night, in conjunction with the Pennsylvania

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Speaker 1: State Police, Federal Bureau of Investigation detectives arrected twenty eight

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Speaker 1: year old Brian Christopher Colberger in all Brightsville, Pennsylvania, on

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Speaker 1: a warrant for murder of Ethan Zena Madison and Kaylee.

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Speaker 1: I want to personally thank these agencies for their assistance

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Speaker 1: in this case. Coburger resides in Pullman, Washington and as

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Speaker 1: a graduate student at Washington State University. Since that incredible

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Speaker 1: Christopher Coburger with me and All Star panel to make

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Speaker 1: sense of what we know right now. But first straight

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Speaker 1: out to Laura Ingle, Senior correspondent Fox News. Laura, thank

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Speaker 1: we're hi, Nancy, Well, we are actually currently positioned outside

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Speaker 1: the Monroe County Correctional Facility. This is a jail here

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Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania where the suspect is being held until he

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Speaker 1: makes his extradition court appearance on Tuesday. You know he

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Speaker 1: The New York Post is now reporting that he attended

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Speaker 1: a criminal justice class after the November thirteenth pomicides and

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Speaker 1: But I got a circle back right here to Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 1: It's podcast called Zone Seven. Cheryl McCollum, I got a

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Speaker 1: extradition and return voluntarily to the state of Idaho, or

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Speaker 1: if he prefers not to wave extradition, then we will

429
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:58,239
Speaker 1: initigate extradition proceedings through our governor's office. If we do that,

430
00:27:58,320 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: it can take a while for him to get here.

431
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: Of course, you know, we all know Chris mcdonnah from

432
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 1: the Cold Case Foundation. Extradition is a very short proceeding.

433
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:12,080
Speaker 1: It's not are you guilty or innocence? It's nothing even

434
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,880
Speaker 1: touching on guilt or innocence. It's very simply, Hey, are

435
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: you Chris mcdonnah. That's all I need to know, because

436
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: we've got a warrant for you. If you're Chris mcdonah

437
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,200
Speaker 1: out of Idaho for a quadruple sling. All I need

438
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: to know right here in pennsylvania's are you Chris mcdonnah.

439
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 1: That's it? Are you? And if you are wise you'll

440
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 1: go Yes, I am because if you won't answer or

441
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: say no or don't waive extradition, all they do is

442
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 1: they get your five fingers and they do a print

443
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: right there in court and compare it to a fingerprint

444
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: sent over from elsewhere. And if you match, you match,

445
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: and you're sent whether you like it or not. It's

446
00:28:55,440 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 1: just very simply a transmiddle type of here. Usually last

447
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: I've done a million. I'm about fifteen minutes. Would you

448
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: agree with that, Chris mcdonnough, Absolutely, Nancy, And I think

449
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,480
Speaker 1: what's going to be interesting is to see how he

450
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: does answer that question right. And I read an interesting

451
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: article last night. It was a letter to the editor

452
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 1: from one of his family members, actually his mother, where

453
00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 1: she complained about the death penalty. And this was previous

454
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: to obviously his arrest. So I wonder if that's going

455
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 1: to play into any of this to your point in

456
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: the courtroom. So that's something to you know, just kind

457
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 1: of look out for. Speaking of the mom and what

458
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 1: we know about the family. I gotta tell you something,

459
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, did you see where they lived? I understand.

460
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: I think Laura Ingle told me last night it was

461
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: in a gated community. Those are huge homes, huge lots

462
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 1: at least an acre to two acres, maybe one point

463
00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: eight acres judging on the aerial, with wooded lawn grass lawns,

464
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: with wooded acreage between the homes. That is some set up,

465
00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: kind of a silver spoon ish situation. It's a great setup,

466
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: but it's also a great set up for somebody that's

467
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 1: got things to hide. So I would begin interested if

468
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: there's any sheds on the property, if there's a place

469
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: that he used to go and hang out alone. People

470
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: gravitate after they commit crimes to places that are comfortable

471
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: for them, where they have the home field advantage, So

472
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,479
Speaker 1: there are things on that property that would be I

473
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: think interesting the law enforcement. And I want to say

474
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: one more thing. If he in fact did say has

475
00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: anybody else been arrested? He would be worried about his mom.

476
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:57,360
Speaker 1: There's no way that she wasn't completely focused on what

477
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: was happening near his college and what happened to those kids.

478
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: And then she knew the car too, and she knew

479
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: that call was out in her driveway, So if she

480
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: helped him as an accessory after the fact, he knows that.

481
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 1: So he may have been worried about her there's not

482
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: a second killer here. I found it very difficult to believe.

483
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,800
Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. I agree with you. Let me throw this

484
00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: to Joe Scott Morgan from Jacksonville State University and body

485
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 1: bags Joe Scott, given that we thought were told at

486
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 1: the beginning the same type of knife wounds were on

487
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: all four victims that indicated one murder weapon, hence one murderer.

488
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: I agree with Cheryl McCollum. I don't think that the

489
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: question has anybody else been arrested necessarily means there was

490
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 1: another person at the killing or taking part in the killing.

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00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: I agree with Cheryl. You know the parents had to

492
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,920
Speaker 1: say he's got a white and launchra right out of

493
00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: the park, right out of the driveway for Pete's sake. Yeah,

494
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: and there would have been an observable behavior upon his

495
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 1: arrival back home. Was the acting, you know, more oddly

496
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: than normal, you know, within that family. And this unless

497
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 1: you're living under a rock, you're aware of this case.

498
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: And to Cheryl's point, the fact that he was in

499
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 1: such close proximity, I don't. I don't know if people

500
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: appreciate the geography here from WSU to you of I

501
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: you can walk that distance. I mean you literally can.

502
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: I mean it's that close. So you're telling me that

503
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 1: she had no awareness here, and that's going to be key.

504
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: I want to know. But one from a forensic standpoint.

505
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 1: One of the things that I'm very interested in regarding

506
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: this car. He had this car for days and days

507
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: post post homicide. I want to know what's been done

508
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 1: with the car in that period of time. Is there

509
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,320
Speaker 1: a record that he had to clean? Is there CCTV

510
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: imagery of him going to a car wash, vacuum and

511
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: the thing out, purchasing supplies to clean this thing with,

512
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 1: because it's been in his control all of this period

513
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 1: of time. But I can tell you this, he didn't

514
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: get everything out of there. I promised you that, Oh, no,

515
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: no way can he get everything out? Jump in Oh,

516
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: Karen Stark, I was just about to go to you

517
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:20,400
Speaker 1: about these are their words, not mine. His fastidious and

518
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: obsessive compulsive issues regarding his eating. He was a devout

519
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: vegan and hey, don't knock, and I went vegetarian for

520
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: two years when I was at court TV. Believe it

521
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 1: or not, but he insisted their words were forced his

522
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: parents to throw out their old pots and pants because

523
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: they had come in contact with meat. Now, of course

524
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 1: that's not new that vegans don't want to use pots

525
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: and pants that have been in touch with meat. But

526
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: you don't have to have your parents throw them out

527
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: like you can't stand them to even be in the

528
00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 1: same kitchen. Well, well that just makes me. I'm not surprised.

529
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to have a little bit of

530
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: obsessive compulsive davor to be able to be in a

531
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 1: graduate program. I mean, think about law school. I mean,

532
00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: you really have to be organized, and it tends to

533
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: development students. But given that, I was also thinking about

534
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: the fact that he said, was anyone else arrested? And

535
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 1: I don't make Perhaps it was his stemon, but I

536
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: really believe that's his arrogance, that it was much more

537
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: about Kenny, did you make any mistakes or just just curiosity? Well,

538
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: I want to chick up on what you're saying, Karen

539
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 1: start here. Yeah, because let's follow that three to its

540
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: log logical conclusion. If he is obsessive compulsive, as one

541
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 1: aunt obvious who refused to be named, called him obsessive

542
00:34:55,560 --> 00:35:00,920
Speaker 1: compulsive Chris McDonough, that can really help this case. What

543
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: if he was obsessive compulsive about these murders, And can't

544
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 1: you just see him studying on all those questionnaires that

545
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: the criminals wrote back, studying their techniques and actually like

546
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,560
Speaker 1: working himself into a frenzy and then committing the crime.

547
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 1: Obsessive compulsive could go two ways. He could have either

548
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: obsessively and compulsively planned the murders. Do you remember the

549
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 1: murder of money Lee Bakley, which, by the way, Robert

550
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Blake did it. I know he was acquitted, but he

551
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,879
Speaker 1: totally did it, and he had his henchmen and they

552
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 1: actually wrote out a list. We need lie, we need tarps,

553
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 1: we need shovels, the gun, blah blah blah. They wrote

554
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: a list, hello, and it was found. Okay, that was

555
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: a bad idea. It could go that way where there's

556
00:35:56,080 --> 00:36:01,880
Speaker 1: so much evidence they find in his Pullman apartment or online.

557
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: Or he could have been obsessive compulsive about cleaning it

558
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 1: all away. So what about that, Chris, Yeah, Nancy, I

559
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 1: think this guy lives. It appears that he lived such

560
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: a mechanical existence right to your thought process there, and

561
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: so that's why I feel that his research is going

562
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: to be really interesting to discover. Uh, you know what

563
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,759
Speaker 1: type of individuals he was connecting with. And what I

564
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,839
Speaker 1: find and I'm just going to say this a loud here,

565
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: but one of the things that I'm really curious about

566
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 1: is this idea that you know, he's a masked murderer

567
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: at this point, and is he morphing into a surreal

568
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: I you know, he's gotten away with this in his mind.

569
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: He gets there and he's sitting back, you know, taking

570
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: us all in and to that methodical process. Was he

571
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: studying individuals Let's use BTK for an example. Was he

572
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: studying him as a you know, almost a mentor. And

573
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: what I find interesting is his initials. His name is

574
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 1: Brian Christopher, you know, covert, right, but you look at

575
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:30,239
Speaker 1: his initials b c K, b c K. So we

576
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: take out the T and we have a BK And

577
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: so there's I'm just curious and I'm just you know,

578
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 1: thinking out loud here, is that somewhere in his research studies,

579
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: somewhere that he's obsessed with this type of individuals, you know,

580
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: following your trend of thought, it would be very interesting

581
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 1: to find out if during the course of his studies

582
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: he may contact with other killers and spoke to them

583
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: through phone calls, email, so forth. We understand that he

584
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:08,920
Speaker 1: was relatively silent on social media. Also saw reports that

585
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:14,720
Speaker 1: he followed Maddie on Instagram, so that's not consistent. We'll

586
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: know more and more and more, but we do know this.

587
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 1: Take listen to our cut to fourteen our friends at

588
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: wpv I Philly. The neighbor tells us she didn't know

589
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: Brian Koburger, but had seen him in and out of

590
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: the house in recent weeks. She says his parents were

591
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 1: a very sweet couple, but kept to themselves. Authorities say

592
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,160
Speaker 1: Koburger is a PhD student at Washington State University in Pullman,

593
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:41,239
Speaker 1: not far from the University of Idaho. Campus. Authorities are

594
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: searching his Washington State apartment. Police in Idaho believe they

595
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,640
Speaker 1: have their man, but did not release motive or details

596
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: of the crime. They say this investigation is not over

597
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: and want people to come forward and provide information about Koburger.

598
00:38:56,680 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: Anyone who knows about this individual to come forward, call

599
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: the tip line. They're still wanting information. If you've got

600
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,280
Speaker 1: a tip line. Two zero eight eight eight three seven

601
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 1: one eight zero repeat two zero eight eight eight three

602
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 1: seven one eight zero. They want to flesh out their case, guys,

603
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: what did they have to make them arrest coburger? Okay,

604
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,640
Speaker 1: jump in, Joe Scott Morgan. What do you think they had? Well,

605
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,439
Speaker 1: obviously they've got the DNA that they've developed along the way.

606
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: But I gotta make a statement. I'm gonna give it.

607
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give credit to mac on this stancy. She

608
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 1: and I had a conversation about eleven o'clock last night.

609
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: You know what we find it? Why the hey did

610
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:45,160
Speaker 1: you do it at eleven o'clock? You had ten to

611
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: eleven with me on Fox for Pete's sake and to

612
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,240
Speaker 1: save it, and you have your discussion at eleven oh one. Okay,

613
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: go ahead, you're working us hard. Hey, listen, MC and

614
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 1: I have a conversation, and this is what we concluded.

615
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: Who in the world starts killing when they're almost thirty

616
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: years of age? Who does that? Like this? And you know,

617
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 1: you begin to think about what what does he have

618
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:13,320
Speaker 1: in his history? You know, I know that you're referring

619
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: to what do they have in order to affect and

620
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 1: arrest on this guy? But what what does he have

621
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 1: lurking in his past that suddenly he would kick off?

622
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: Not with one, not worth two, not with three but

623
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: four four. Yeah, they went from zero to one second.

624
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: I hear you, hey, question, go ahead, whoever that is,

625
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: it's either Carol or Karen or Sheryl jump in. Yeah,

626
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:46,319
Speaker 1: when you're talking about being a past even if he

627
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: had no crimes, which would be hard to believe, and

628
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: animals or something. And here's the guy's a began, but

629
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: he was a beest Nancy and criminology, and to replace

630
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 1: it was I have no doubt he just sat there

631
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,000
Speaker 1: and was planning something and he went back and he

632
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:12,400
Speaker 1: finished the semester. He didn't just go back to that class,

633
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: but he finished the semester. He stat Bryant, he does

634
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,560
Speaker 1: n't look in his eyes, and he was enjoying every

635
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 1: single moment of knowing that he was the one that

636
00:41:24,600 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: was at I notice he is wearing a pickle suit,

637
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,920
Speaker 1: also known as a bam bam, a suicide smock. We've

638
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:37,239
Speaker 1: had no indication that he has suicidal idiation, but we

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Speaker 1: do know that's sop in cases jumping quickly. You know, listen,

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Speaker 1: we're forgetting one thing. He's gone through all this professional

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Speaker 1: training in policing. What an excellent idea to run a test,

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Speaker 1: an actual test, to see if he can do something

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Speaker 1: and promote himself in this environment of police and PhD

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Speaker 1: in a way that turns us into an experiment. Now,

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Speaker 1: because that is a very scary proposition del Carson, and

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Speaker 1: is entirely possible. Guys, we hope that all will be

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Speaker 1: made a known. I believe the hearing is this Tuesday,

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Speaker 1: correct Jackie, where we hope that the problem caused affidavits

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Speaker 1: supporting his arrest warrant will be unseilled. But for right now,

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Speaker 1: all we can do is continue to pray for justice

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Speaker 1: and for the victims' families. People say they've got closure,

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Speaker 1: now this is just the first step and a very

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Speaker 1: very long and painful journey for them. Nancy Grace common

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Speaker 1: Story signing off goodbye friend,