1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: M Hey, everybody, I'm Robert Evans. This is behind the Bastards. Uh, 2 00:00:06,840 --> 00:00:08,960 Speaker 1: and I'm i mean the host of this show where 3 00:00:08,960 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: we talk about the very worst things that you didn't 4 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 1: know about, all the terrible people in history. I really 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: bought that introduction. Andrew t Save the Day here part 6 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:20,799 Speaker 1: two about the Bastards of the Andaman Islands, telling the 7 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: story of this accidental genocide of an entire people. Hooray, 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: it's still fun. I'm jazzed up to get back. We 9 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: are pomped, all right. In our last episode, we talked 10 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:35,560 Speaker 1: mostly about the history of the Andaman Islands in general 11 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: and not North Sentinel Island in specific, which is where 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: Jonathan Chow, the American missionary was shot to death with 13 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: arrows for trying to talk to people who did not 14 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: fucking want to talk. Uh. Now, for breaking many laws 15 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 1: to try to numerous law talk to to proselytize to people. 16 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 1: In paraphrase in the quote from the last episode, was 17 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:55,480 Speaker 1: it the one of the devil's last strongholds. Yeah, one 18 00:00:55,480 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: of the Devil's last strongholds. Uh, something like that. Tried 19 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: to wave his bible a people who do not have 20 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: the written word. Yeah, you know the other thing about that, though, 21 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 1: is going back to last episode, is a lot of 22 00:01:07,440 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: I noticed the historical accounts of this do count on 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,679 Speaker 1: one guy who just miraculously dodged a bunch of arrows 24 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: and or and it's you're like, so much of history 25 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:21,399 Speaker 1: is just an accident. Yeah, all of it. Yeah, yeah, 26 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,479 Speaker 1: I mean it's it's just a total crap shoot. I mean, 27 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: there's that great story about that guy, which has been 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,919 Speaker 1: confirmed by Hitler. But it started with like this British 29 00:01:29,000 --> 00:01:32,199 Speaker 1: soldier who when Hitler roast powers like, oh, he looks 30 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,440 Speaker 1: like a young dude that I didn't shoot because I 31 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: thought he looked confused and the battle was mostly waning 32 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:39,480 Speaker 1: and I didn't want to like kill another human being 33 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:42,160 Speaker 1: that day. And then Hitler wrote about it later like yeah, 34 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: I saw a guy have a gun on me and 35 00:01:43,600 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 1: choose not to shoot. And it's like, oh, well, yeah, 36 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 1: that could have really changed some ship. Yeah, Hitler dock, 37 00:01:53,800 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 1: he dog, that's our new T shirt. Should have shot 38 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: Hitler duck. That's good merch Uh. This is a pro 39 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: shooting Hitler podcast, and ball of Hitler's decisions, the one 40 00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: that I unequivocally agree with is his decision to shoot 41 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 1: Hitler Big Famine at moment hiring Hugo Bosses. That wasn't 42 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: a bad call. That wasn't a bad call either. So 43 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: now that we've joked a little bit about the Nazis, 44 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: let's talk about the slow Nazis, the British Empire. So 45 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 1: I would like to start today by talking about what 46 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: was going on on North Sentinel Island when the representatives 47 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,240 Speaker 1: of the British Raj were busy infecting and fondling the 48 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: genitals of the rest of the anime and these people, 49 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: but not the people of the North Centel. Now, before 50 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: British arrival in the animals, there had likely been significant 51 00:02:44,040 --> 00:02:46,919 Speaker 1: trade between different islands. That's certainly the case with every 52 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:49,480 Speaker 1: other island chain like this on record. We don't know 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: exactly how the people of North Centinel Island had interacted 54 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 1: with their neighbors prior to seventeen seventy one. It's possible 55 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 1: that the Centinels were always aggressive lowners for all of history, 56 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,480 Speaker 1: but it seems likely the plagues which soon tore through 57 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 1: the islands prompted much of their centuries long isolation. And 58 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 1: then it was sort of a decision that came like, oh, 59 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 1: everyone's dying. We shouldn't let anyone else onto our island. 60 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 1: It seems like that ends badly, like an actual quarantine. Yeah, 61 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: it seems like we should quarantine ourselves because something terrible 62 00:03:15,080 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: is happening. Not wrong, not wrong. The next time North 63 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: Sentinel Island shows up on the historical record after the 64 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: initial contact in eighteen fifty eight is eighteen sixty seven, 65 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: when an Indian merchant ship called the ninevah Rex on 66 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: its coast during a monsoon. Eighty six passengers and twenty 67 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: crew make it to the shore. They spent two days 68 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: being basically camped out and waiting for rescue, and then 69 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: on the morning of the third day, the sent Least 70 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: tribe attacked them. Here's how the boat's captain described these people. Quote, 71 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: the savages were perfectly naked, with short hair and red 72 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: painted noses, and we're opening their mouth and making sounds 73 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: like pop. Their arrows appeared to be tipped with iron. 74 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: He escaped on the loan intact boat, abandoning his passengers 75 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: and crew to what he was sure would be a massacre. Great, 76 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: really good caf Really that is the absolute gem of 77 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: a loophole of the ship ship. I gotta go down 78 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: with the ship. Yeah, so sorry. The land turned out 79 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: to be the death place this time. You know the rules, 80 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: though loophole. He was eventually picked up by a British 81 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: Royal Navy vessel. When the Royal Navy got to North 82 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: Sentinel Island, they found that most of the party had 83 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 1: survived and had apparently fought off the tribe with sticks 84 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: and stones. Now, the next Brits to visit the Centinels 85 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 1: were led by our favorite anthropological pornographer, Maurice Vedale Portman. 86 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: A few months into the start of his job as 87 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,719 Speaker 1: Officer in charge of the Anemonies, at age nineteen, he 88 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: led an expedition to the island. Now, even at that point, 89 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: the centinelis tribe was infamous for wanting to be left 90 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,480 Speaker 1: the fuck alone. Portman landed with a large group of 91 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:50,960 Speaker 1: heavily armed soldiers, along with some prisoners for labor and 92 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: a few trackers from local tribes that British had befriended. 93 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, Portman had almost certainly photographed tho folks naked anyway, 94 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, British had be friended. Is like the biggest 95 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:05,000 Speaker 1: asterisk of history. The survivors will be friended the survivors 96 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:08,600 Speaker 1: of us. Yeah, here's another quote from that wonderful article, 97 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: The Last Island of the Savages. The explorers tramped through 98 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: the jungle, systematically, criss crossing the small island in search 99 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: of natives. They found a network of pathways and several 100 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 1: small villages that looked to have been freshly abandoned, and 101 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 1: the skeleton of an aborigine hidden between the buttress roots 102 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,880 Speaker 1: of a large tree. Portman was impressed by the island's 103 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: fertile soil and its stately groves of tropical hardwoods, but 104 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: he did not encounter a single living soul. The centinels 105 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 1: simply melted into the forest when they heard the Europeans approach. Finally, 106 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: after days, Portman and his men managed to flush out 107 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: a few stragglers, an elderly couple and some children, and 108 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: the interest of science. The adults and four of the 109 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: children were brought aboard the exploring party schooner and taken 110 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,080 Speaker 1: back to Port Blair for observation. Unfortunately, Portman later wrote 111 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: all the captured sentinelies quote sickened rapidly and the old 112 00:05:52,320 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: man and his wife died, So the four children were 113 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: sent back to their home with quantities at presence, they 114 00:05:56,920 --> 00:05:59,000 Speaker 1: remained in British hands long enough, however, for Portman, and 115 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: note their quote pecure clearly idiotic expression of countenance and 116 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,679 Speaker 1: manner of behaving. So Portman abducts some old people and kids. 117 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: Old people die, kids get sick to he gives them gifts, 118 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: sends him back to the island. Probably kills a lot 119 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 1: of the North Sentinalies people. Yeah, probably reinforces their understanding 120 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 1: that we should just say the funk away from right. Like, 121 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: the absolute best case scenario is that the Sentinelies people 122 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: kill those kids before they get too close. That is 123 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: the best. The best He has locked them into a 124 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: situation with the best case scenario is child murder. Yeah yeah, yeah, 125 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 1: yeah cool. Good Now. It is worth noting that this 126 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,440 Speaker 1: was young Maurice Portman. Over the decades he would spend 127 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: in the animals, he watched the Aboriginal population of the 128 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: island shrink and shrink. By the time he was an 129 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: old man, it looked very much like the whole people 130 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: were on their way to extinction. During a trip to 131 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: London at a meaning of the Royal Geographical Society, Portman 132 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: ended a speech with these words their association with outsiders 133 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: has brought them nothing but harm, and it is a 134 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,839 Speaker 1: matter of great regret to me. That's such a pleasant 135 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 1: are so rapidly becoming extinct, we could better spare many another. 136 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: So he came around yeah, and was like, oh, this 137 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: is really fucked up. We really wipe these people out, 138 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: this bad Like that's like really deciding at the very 139 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: last day of the school year, like maybe maybe time 140 00:07:19,320 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: buck up. It's yeah, it's like studying for that trigonometry 141 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: exam the morning before. Yeah, you know what, now I 142 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: see there of my way. I yeah, Jesus. But it 143 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:37,119 Speaker 1: is interesting that even a guy like Portman, whose whole 144 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 1: thing seems to have been fucking with Native people's, eventually 145 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 1: came around to the same opinion that the sentinelis Islanders 146 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: themselves old, which is ever we ought to just all 147 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: leave these people. Yeah, um yeah, No. Other British visits 148 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 1: were launched North Sentinel Island during the Empire, so that's good. 149 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 1: The Empire learned a lesson from this, Like things went 150 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: so bad in the rest of the islands, they were like, 151 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe we just leave those people alone. 152 00:08:02,040 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 1: Maybe we just let them do their thing. We may 153 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: have fucked this up. I just go back to it 154 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 1: also had to be because they did the economic projections 155 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:14,160 Speaker 1: and they were just like not worth it. Well, But 156 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,720 Speaker 1: sometime during this time late when it switches over from 157 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: being the East India Company of the British Raj and 158 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: so at that point profit is less of a concern, 159 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: not a non factor. There may have been some genuine 160 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: humanitarian of like the people who came in after the 161 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,880 Speaker 1: first couple of waves and we're like, oh boy, they 162 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:33,360 Speaker 1: really fucked this up. Well, at least we cannot fund 163 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: this island. I still, I guess I would argue it's 164 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:40,640 Speaker 1: still profit margin, just with slightly different values fed into 165 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: the front of the machine. I would agree. I think 166 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 1: it's possible that. I think it's it's likely that some 167 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: of why they were left alone it was legitimate humanitarian 168 00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: impulse from people in the empire who were like, well, 169 00:08:50,600 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 1: this is fucked up. But if if they if they 170 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: had gold or diamonds there, they would have gotten there 171 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: were diamonds on that island, that would have been they 172 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: would have gotten over the humanitarian issues important. It's possible 173 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:01,959 Speaker 1: as much damage as he did to them, he may 174 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: have saved the island by just walking around on it 175 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: for a couple of days and not finding diamonds, like 176 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: by saying like, it's just got decent soil, but there's 177 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 1: no I didn't see gold or whatever like. That's probably 178 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: part of why they didn't funk with it. More so, Yeah, 179 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, unintended consequences, it says anyway. Um, So another 180 00:09:21,679 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: foreigner did make it ashore on North Sentinel Island in 181 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:26,959 Speaker 1: eight This was an Indian convict who escape from the 182 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: penal colony on a raft. According to that wonderful American 183 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 1: Scholar article, a search party found his body there some 184 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: days later, pierced in several places by arrows with his 185 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: throat cut. No natives were cited. So that's what they do. Uh. 186 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: The island was left alone for like a century after 187 00:09:41,320 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: this point. So the British Empire, perhaps the world's greatest 188 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: proponents of fucking with people did not want to be 189 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,839 Speaker 1: fucked with, decided that the sentinelis people had made their 190 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: desire for solitude so perfectly clear that it would be 191 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: kind of messed up to try to buck them. I 192 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: just state that because we're gonna get back to John 193 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: Chow at some point, And I want to note that 194 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: the British Empire of inventually learned the lesson famously, not 195 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: that they like learning. British Empire that invaded Afghanistan three 196 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 1: times learned this lesson. So on August fifteenth, ninety seven, 197 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: the British Empire made its largest step towards giving up 198 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: the empire bit and just being British. They released the 199 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: Indian subcontinent to independent nationhood. For the first few decades, 200 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: the new Indian government continued the British policy towards the Centinels. 201 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: They left them alone. In nineteen seventy the government sent 202 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: a surveying party to the island. They found an abandoned 203 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: native home and set up a stone tablet proclaiming the 204 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:38,960 Speaker 1: island to be part of the Republic of India. The 205 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: party had no contact with the Centinels during this period, 206 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 1: and since the plaque contained writing and the sentinels don't writing, 207 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: is hard to imagine. We just wanted to another part 208 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: of India. Yeah, I just gotta stick this on the island. 209 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it's pretty dumb. In nineteen seventy four, 210 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: the crew of the documentary Man in Search of Man 211 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: managed to talk or bribe their way into landing the 212 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: North Sentinel Island. They came with armed policemen and scientists 213 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: into Their stated goal was to quote win the natives 214 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:13,959 Speaker 1: friendship by friendly gestures and plenty of gifts. Unfortunately, bribes 215 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: did not work as well in the Sentinels as they 216 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: do on most people. Uh, and the Sentinelies did what 217 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: they do open fire with arrows now. Next, several police 218 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: officers in padded armor went ashore and set out gifts 219 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,080 Speaker 1: a plastic car, coconuts, a live pig, a doll, and 220 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: aluminum pots and pants. They then returned to the boat 221 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:34,719 Speaker 1: where the film crew and scientists were waiting out of aeroshot. Now, 222 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 1: the Sentinels responded to these gifts by proving to the 223 00:11:37,320 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: foreigners that they were not, in fact out of aeroshot 224 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: and shooting the film's director in the thigh with an arrow. 225 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: The Centinales next killed the pig and the doll with 226 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: their spears, then buried them in the sand and took 227 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: the pots and pants and coconuts. Yeah, yeah, that's what 228 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 1: you do. Yeah. And it's also like the gift thing, 229 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: You're like, right, the gifts have never been good. It's 230 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 1: just great that some native people finally figure it out 231 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 1: that these gifts are never Yeah, they're always garbage that 232 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: will kill your your family. Well, and the only read 233 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: they took the coconut. There's coconuts don't grow in or 234 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: sent in a while, but they wash up there so 235 00:12:12,160 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: they know what is And they only took the pots 236 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: and pans because iron has been washing up on the 237 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: shore for a long time, making it in the arrowheads. 238 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: And so they're making these gifts into more arrows to 239 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: shoot than any other fucking people to come to their eye. 240 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:31,200 Speaker 1: Feels like some kind of justice, right, it's nice. Yeah, 241 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: that would be one of the only thing we could 242 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 1: give them they can want. Here's more arrows to shoot 243 00:12:34,920 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: at people with if they come on board. I mean, 244 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: it does feel like a little bit like just just 245 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,960 Speaker 1: give him a couple of guns, give him some give 246 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: him a rifle and a diagram. Yeah, this will be yeah. Uh. 247 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 1: In nine, King Bowdwin of Belgium, grandson of our buddy 248 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: Leopold the Second, Yeah, grandson of Oh boy Bowdwin of Belgium, 249 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 1: went on a cruise of the Andaman Islands. He spent 250 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: a night off the coast of North Centinel Island. Local 251 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: officials trying to impress. The King let him drive in 252 00:13:05,720 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: close to the shore so he could see a Sentineli's 253 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: warrior aim his bow at the boat. The king was 254 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:16,320 Speaker 1: reportedly delighted by this. It's pretty cross cool to see 255 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: that runs in the family. Cool to see that runs 256 00:13:18,640 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 1: in the family. In one a Panamanian freighter named the 257 00:13:23,880 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: Primrose crashed on the rocks near North Centinel Island. The 258 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: crew survived. Here's how the official website for North Centinel 259 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: Island describes what happens next. Quote relieved to see land 260 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: in the morning, the cruise relief turned to apprehension when 261 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: they saw a group of natives waving weapons at the boat. 262 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: An urgent distress signal was sent out. Wildman estimate more 263 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: than fifty carrying various homemade weapons are making two or 264 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: three wooden boats, with the dispatch worrying they will board 265 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: us at sunset. All crew members live is not guaranteed. 266 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:51,680 Speaker 1: For nearly a week, the crew of the Primrose, armed 267 00:13:51,679 --> 00:13:54,160 Speaker 1: with only flare guns and a few axes, fended off 268 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: an attack before they were rescued by an Indian Navy 269 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 1: tugboat and helicopters. The freighter, which I believe carried cat 270 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: food was left off the coast of North Centinel Island. 271 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,160 Speaker 1: Salvagers began sailing in too loot the boat, and according 272 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: to the Telegraph quote, many Sentinels were killed in battles 273 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:12,280 Speaker 1: with these Jesus. Can I ask you a question going 274 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:15,160 Speaker 1: back a little bit, Yeah, how did the Aimate Islands 275 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 1: weather World War two? And it was pretty much fine? 276 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, it's Indian. I don't think anything really happened 277 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: there in World War two. I'm not aware of it. 278 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: I certainly think the Sentinelees didn't notice. They probably saw 279 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 1: some fucking planes flying. Yeah, like what the ship. Yeah, 280 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: but they've been doing that for a while. I guess 281 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,720 Speaker 1: that's true. Yeah. They probably just figure there's monsters in 282 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: this guy. Fuck that thing. Yeah, that's not that's a 283 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 1: that's a yeah, funk that thing. Look that No, thank you? 284 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: Pretty actually now, Perhaps sparked by these deaths, the Indian 285 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: government sent out its first expedition with the express goal 286 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: of contacting the Centinelies people. They sent a team of 287 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: scientists led by a dude named Pandit, and gave him 288 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,560 Speaker 1: the Governor's yacht as an expedition vessel. Unlike literally every 289 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: prior visit, these trips were conducted by scientific experts who 290 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: went out of their way to be careful and respectful. 291 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: They made many trips and started out just landing on 292 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: empty sections of beach far out of arrow range and 293 00:15:07,640 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 1: setting out gifts coconuts, bananas, and pieces of iron. Gradually 294 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: the researchers built up a reputation with the sentinel leaves. 295 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: They started coming in closer and having more fruitful contact 296 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: with these people. It was not a simple process, as 297 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: this excerpt from the American Scholar article shows quote. Sometimes 298 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:25,200 Speaker 1: the sentinel leaves would make gestures that appeared friendly, waving 299 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: their hands as the dinghies chugged along the lagoon. Sometimes 300 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: they would make gestures that were probably hostile, turning their 301 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: backs towards the visitors on moss and sitting on their 302 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: haunches as if to defecate. It was not out of 303 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: character for them to rush out of the jungle and 304 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: grab gifts, then shower their retreating benefactors with arrows. So 305 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 1: there's a lot of patients. It's careful, and these guys 306 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: clearly care about trying to make contact in the bet 307 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: like this is almost like a star trek sort of situation. 308 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,680 Speaker 1: We've got very decent advanced scientists and who care truly 309 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: trying to do this in the best way of seeing 310 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 1: is there an ethical way to make contact with the 311 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: people like this, so that they're trying to figure that out, 312 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: and it seems to be a pretty laudable effort. They 313 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,960 Speaker 1: went through this for like a decade or so, like 314 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 1: more than ten years of visits like this, very gradual uh. 315 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: And during this period of time, Pendite continued to lead 316 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: expeditions to the island with the gradual goal of opening 317 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: up communications with the Centinelies people and letting them know 318 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 1: there was a world out there with indoor plumbing and 319 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,359 Speaker 1: antibiotics if they wanted any of that stuff. The Sentinels 320 00:16:20,400 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: continued to shoot teams they got too close, but one 321 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: time when an expedition boat overturned, they didn't murder the 322 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 1: crew as the crew struggled to get back on board 323 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,000 Speaker 1: the boat. So it was scene as like a good sign. 324 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: They could have killed everybody there, but they let us 325 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: get back on our boat, and that's that's that's a step, 326 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: that's a step, that's a step to trust. So things 327 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: got better and some sort of trust developed, but the 328 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: Sentinelies never quite took up there would be friends on 329 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: the opportunity to join the world or have any kind 330 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: of direct contact at all. On January four, n it 331 00:16:47,480 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: seemed like all that was about to change. This article 332 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: ran in a Port Blair newspaper several days later, first 333 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: friendly contact with centinels. Four days earlier, a government contact 334 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: team had paid a visit to North Sentinel, the first 335 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: such expedition in more than a year. At first, as 336 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 1: the anthropologist, constables, and officials approached the beach and the 337 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 1: motorized dinghy, they could see no one on shore. Then 338 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: finally a few sentinels stepped out from behind some bushes 339 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: and started to gesture at the explorers, seemingly trying to 340 00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: indicate that they wanted gifts. As usual, the dinghy moved 341 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: down the beach to a safe spot, and a crewman 342 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,879 Speaker 1: jumped out to drop off a bag of coconuts. As usual, 343 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 1: the sentinels rushed down to grab it, but for the 344 00:17:21,720 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: first time ever, the Aborigines brought no weapons with them 345 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: when they approached the water's edge. On the mesh baskets 346 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 1: and the iron tipped wooden adds as they sometimes used 347 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: to chop apart the coconuts. There's actually video of this 348 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: contact or the contact right after it, and while the 349 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: audio isn't super interesting, so I don't think we'll play 350 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: the audio during the podcast. I want to show you 351 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,639 Speaker 1: because after all this, you should see these people and 352 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 1: what this actually looked like. It's it's pretty interesting. I 353 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:46,080 Speaker 1: would recommend everyone at home watch it as well. You 354 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,119 Speaker 1: can find the video on Behind the Bastards dot com. 355 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: Will include a link to it. It's really worth seeing. So, uh, 356 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: andrew T before we break for ads, you want to 357 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: tell me what you saw on that video, Like what 358 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: you think she thought about that? I don't know. I 359 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: mean it was interesting, which the impression of these people 360 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: just by looking at them there, because that's the only 361 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 1: look anybody really gets up. Yeah, they just seem pretty 362 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 1: I mean there, it's like wary right there, Like it's 363 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: very clear they're just like, what's happening here? Are we safe? 364 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: One of the most interesting parts is like clearly one 365 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: dude is either braver or more curious and gets pulled back. Yeah, 366 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: she pulls him back. It's like, yeah, it really is. 367 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: It's just like how and and you know it's neither 368 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 1: side knows what the funk to expect exactly exactly, but 369 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 1: it's also it's so one of the things that's really 370 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 1: clear to me is like they all look pretty healthy. 371 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: And I mean, I guess those are the younger people, 372 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: but like they seem to be doing all right, Like 373 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: they don't seem to be malnourished. Ye. Well, and also 374 00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 1: at this point you're like they've lived through a couple 375 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: of plagues essentially, or their their ancestors have lived through 376 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:59,400 Speaker 1: a couple of plagues. And so there is also the 377 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: thing of you know, we we say like stone age 378 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: immune systems, but that's not strictly true. That's not strictly 379 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: true with these guys because they have been exposed to something, um, 380 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: you know, both from their fights with the salvagers and 381 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 1: from the and their numbers are probably lower, yeah of course, 382 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:17,440 Speaker 1: but yeah yeah yeah yeah, really interesting video. I recommend 383 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: you watch it, and I recommend that you buy the 384 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: products and services that we are advertising. Now we're back, 385 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:35,440 Speaker 1: We're back. We're back from a great ad break that 386 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: I hope was as thrilling and delightful to you as 387 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: first contact with the sitting At least people would have 388 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: been to a scientist like Pandie, although he was not 389 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: there for the very first time that they did this. 390 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,160 Speaker 1: You can't be on every you can't be on every 391 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 1: trip long research project. It's kind of a big thing. 392 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,359 Speaker 1: So first contact was officially made by the Director for 393 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,639 Speaker 1: Tribal Welfare for the Andaman Islands, and he observed a 394 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: number of things because he came back after the video 395 00:20:02,160 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: was taken and got actually closer to them and was 396 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: able to actually get out into the water and be 397 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:08,479 Speaker 1: very near them. He reported a young man with a 398 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 1: bow and arrow who aimed his bow at them from 399 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 1: close range, but then a woman pushed the arrow down 400 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 1: and another man buried the weapons in the sand. Uh. 401 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 1: And again it's I hate to try to generalize about 402 00:20:19,560 --> 00:20:20,960 Speaker 1: a whole tribe from this. One of the things that 403 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: says to me is there's a lot of speculation of 404 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: like what if it's like one asshole man in charge, 405 00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 1: like forcing everyone to do his bidding and like genitally 406 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: mutilating the women and stuff like well, the fact that 407 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: at least in one observation a man was observed being 408 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,720 Speaker 1: told not to do something a woman and like that 409 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:39,719 Speaker 1: that's not a bad it's a sign that this may 410 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: be one of the more egalitarian kinds of hunter gatherer tribes, 411 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: which is not uncommon among those sorts of people. So 412 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: I think that's interesting. It was the closest anyone had 413 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,280 Speaker 1: gotten to a Sentinel Leaves without dying, possibly in all 414 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 1: of history, um anyone from outside the animals at least. 415 00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 1: Pandite came back a few days later with another group, 416 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: and in February he made friendly contact again. Several Aborigines 417 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: actually reached into his canoe for coconuts, which is a 418 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: big deal. Near the end of the visit, Pandite went 419 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,239 Speaker 1: up closer to the Centinelies than his own men, and 420 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: things rather suddenly turned ugly. One of the tribesmen pulled 421 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: out a knife and threatened him. Pandite recalls he looked, 422 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 1: quote like he was going to cut out my heart. 423 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,080 Speaker 1: Maybe he thought I was planning to stay on the island. 424 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: But Pandit knocked away and it was fine now. In 425 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: an interview in two thousand eight with the author of 426 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: that American Scholar article, Pandite recalled that they voluntarily came 427 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,879 Speaker 1: forward to meet us. It was unbelievable. They must have 428 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,000 Speaker 1: come to a decision that the time had come. It 429 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 1: could not have happened on the spur of the moment, 430 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: but there was this feeling of sadness also. I did 431 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: feel it, and there was this feeling that a larger 432 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: scale of human history, these people who were holding back, 433 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: holding on, ultimately had to yield. It's like an era 434 00:21:40,600 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: in history gone by. So Pandite retired in nineteen ninety 435 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,000 Speaker 1: two and the Indian government pursued further meeting with the 436 00:21:47,040 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: Sentinelese for a while, but it turned out that this 437 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: much vaunted first friendly contact with something of a false start. 438 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 1: The long era of Sentinelies isolation was not over yet. 439 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,479 Speaker 1: In the Indian government finally took the hint and put 440 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: an end to all further attempts to come intact the 441 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,199 Speaker 1: people of North Sentinel Island. The Indian Navy placed a 442 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 1: three mile exclusion zone around the island, and for more 443 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:08,800 Speaker 1: than twenty years, the Centinales people were allowed to fade 444 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: from most of the world's memory. They made the news 445 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: briefly in two thousand and six when a fishing boat 446 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,520 Speaker 1: with two men crashed on their shore. The men aboard 447 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 1: had been anchored nearby for the night and likely gotten 448 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,639 Speaker 1: incredibly drunk. The air anchor had broken and they drifted 449 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: to shore. Other fishermen had tried to warn them as 450 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: they floated closer and closer, but they were apparently too 451 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: wasted to really notice. When they landed on shore, the 452 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: Sentinels murdered them and buried them in sand. Fair enough, 453 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 1: fair enough, uh And all the time since the establishment 454 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: of the exclusion zone, the only contact the Sentinelies have 455 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 1: had with the outside world has been occasional skirmishes with 456 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 1: scrappers and too close in flights by helicopters. The first 457 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:44,560 Speaker 1: was in the wake of those two fishermen's murder. The 458 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: second came in two thousand eight, after a horrible tsunami 459 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 1: at the Andaman Islands. The Indian government sent a shopper 460 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: in to look for survivors, and predictably, the Sentinales shot 461 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,159 Speaker 1: at it with arrows. Yeah. Now, at every single stage 462 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:58,640 Speaker 1: of the history we've talked about in these podcasts, centuries 463 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 1: worth of time, the Sentinelies will have been very very 464 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:04,280 Speaker 1: very very very crystal goddamn clear that they do not 465 00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: want to know the rest of the world. Aside from 466 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: a few handfuls of coconuts, most of their close contact 467 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,240 Speaker 1: with the outside has involved violent murder, abduction, and disease. 468 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: We've learned more about the Sentinels in the years since 469 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,360 Speaker 1: the Indian government set up their exclusion zone, but most 470 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 1: of it is just scientific information about the time of 471 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: their migration to the islands. Scientists now think that the 472 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: ancestors of the tribe first arrived on North Centinel Island 473 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: as far back as sixty five thousand years ago. You'll 474 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 1: hear anywhere from like fifty five to sixty five thousand years, 475 00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:34,880 Speaker 1: So this is an unbroken chain of people from roughly 476 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: five times as long as human civilization has existed, since 477 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:43,360 Speaker 1: we've been building cities thirty thousand years before dogs were domesticated. 478 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: These people land in the North Centinel Island. That's the 479 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: length of time we're talking about with his culture. Given 480 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: the rich, bountiful nature of the islands ecology and the 481 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,000 Speaker 1: warm climate, it's possible that the only substantial innovations they've 482 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: needed to make in that time involved learning how to 483 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,159 Speaker 1: make arrows and knives out of the iron that washes 484 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 1: up on their shore, and learning that instant violence was 485 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: the safest way to handle contact with the outside world. Yeah, 486 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 1: two lessons to important. Yeah, really got those down. Yeah, now. 487 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: John Chow, the young American missionary who died on North 488 00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: Sentinel Island in November of two eighteen, knew all this. 489 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 1: One thing every interview with his friends, family, and fellow 490 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,119 Speaker 1: missionaries has made very clear is that the Centinelies people 491 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 1: were John's obsession. November eighteen, Christianity Today published an article 492 00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: titled what John Allen Chow's mission agency wants you to know. 493 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,760 Speaker 1: The agency that sent him, All Nations has a stated 494 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,840 Speaker 1: mission to quote, make disciples and train leaders to ignite 495 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,680 Speaker 1: church planting movements among the neglected peoples of the earth. 496 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:42,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't call the Centinelies neglected. Yeah, when they murder 497 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,120 Speaker 1: everyone who tries to talk, they're not neglected. They want 498 00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: to be left alone. I also did not realize he 499 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: was sent by an organization. It seems like it was 500 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: like almost the venture capital version of a mission thing 501 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,400 Speaker 1: where he went to them saying I have this goal 502 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 1: and they helped him. Those people are accessories to a murder. Yeah, 503 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: it seems like it, right, seems like that would be fair. Yeah, 504 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:02,960 Speaker 1: it seems like you could charge some of these people 505 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,199 Speaker 1: in a court of law. What the fuck make him 506 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: accessories to genocide? Maybe Anyway, they sent their representative Mary 507 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,600 Speaker 1: home to talk about John Chow. She called him a 508 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: very interesting young man and very focused. Quote. Since he 509 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: was about eighteen years old, I believe he took a 510 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: mission trip, and on that mission trip he really felt 511 00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: a call to be a missionary. Around that time, he 512 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: started researching all the different people groups and he came 513 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: across the North Cineales people. She says that Chow really 514 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: felt that quote, his life's call was to take the 515 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,879 Speaker 1: love and goodness of Jesus Christ to the North Cineales. 516 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: Since then, every decision he has made has been to 517 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: prepare himself for his life's call. God. Yeah, I'm not 518 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 1: a religious man. My cousin and godmother is a is 519 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: a pastor and I respect her greatly. I have no 520 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 1: problem with belief. I am a problem with this, Yeah, 521 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: I I will just say it's like this has the 522 00:25:56,400 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 1: like it's the practical problem with belief as opposed to 523 00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: the theoretical I guess I have no problem with the 524 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:09,479 Speaker 1: theoretical problem of the theoretical issue of you know, religious belief, 525 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: but like, what is the actual good that he honestly thinks? 526 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: Because if if you take the idea that souls in 527 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: hell are not like you believe in it? Fine, but 528 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,800 Speaker 1: not everyone does. Like, what are you doing? Like, okay, 529 00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:27,360 Speaker 1: if you're if you're a Christian, I'm going to try 530 00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: to look at this from the perspective of a a 531 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: person who believes in a higher power and believes that 532 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: higher power communicates with the world and something isn't. One 533 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: of the first things that happened, he tried to get 534 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: onto the island a couple of times, and the day 535 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: before he was killed, he failed to get onto the 536 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: island and they shot at him. He was holding his 537 00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: Bible up above his head and hollering, by his own description, 538 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 1: at them, and they shot an arrow through his bible. 539 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: Were I a Christian, that would be my message from 540 00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: God to leave oh arrow through the Bible. Oh maybe 541 00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: they don't, Maybe they don't need this. Wow, Maybe maybe 542 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: I'm doing the wrong thing here. I guess I would argue, 543 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: that's how you doubled out on your belief that this 544 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,479 Speaker 1: is where Satan lives, and that's clearly that's clearly what 545 00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,200 Speaker 1: he took out. Yeah, but yeah, okay, I would take 546 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 1: that as a message. Yeah, Like the basic level of 547 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 1: this stuff, right, It's like Okay, so God has a 548 00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: plan for everyone. God loves everyone, but he doesn't love 549 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 1: these people because he thinks they're going to go to hell. 550 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: He loves these people, but he just needs me to 551 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 1: talk to Yeah, exactly, you're the instrument of God. But 552 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,480 Speaker 1: why are you the instrument of God? Like you were 553 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: just born into presumably America. I'm going to say, like 554 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:38,120 Speaker 1: by accident, Like why are you a different instrument than 555 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 1: these people? What is so fundamentally wrong with every person 556 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 1: who died on that island before you got there? I 557 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: don't want to it's it's it's it's managed to get 558 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: into whether or not it was a sign from God 559 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 1: when the Bible get shot, I'm pretty sure it was 560 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: a sign from whoever shot at it. Where they were saying, 561 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: we don't want to kill you, We want you to leave, 562 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: please don't try again. Look check this shout out, now, 563 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,760 Speaker 1: watch this drive. We're very good with these. Yeah, we 564 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: really know how to shoot arrows. I mean. Also, you're 565 00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:09,119 Speaker 1: giving him probably one of the first like ninety degree 566 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: targets he's seen in a while. Nails it. Yeah. Now 567 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: insisted as well that Chow had been fully vaccinated before 568 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: he arrived on the island that he had had some 569 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,160 Speaker 1: sort of quarantine conducted. And I had to read into 570 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:25,719 Speaker 1: this a little bit because they just say he went 571 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: through a quarantine. From what I've been able to determine, 572 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: he carried out the quarantine on himself without help. And 573 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,560 Speaker 1: again I have a lot of respect for E M 574 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,360 Speaker 1: T s, but the E M T B license does 575 00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: not include quarantining yourself and even qualified to do this, 576 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: even if you know the theory right, it's all he 577 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: has a clean room that he went through. He still 578 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: quarantined himself, presumably with the ship that is available to 579 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: a first century person for not that much money. And 580 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: then he traveled to India, probably landed in New Delhi, 581 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,760 Speaker 1: took another flight to the Andaman Islands, hung out with 582 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of his friends in the Andaman Islands, and 583 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 1: then got on the boat with a local Indian sailor 584 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: and sailed there. And I am going to assume none 585 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: of them went through. Yeah, and and yeah, unless you 586 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,280 Speaker 1: had a goddamn like bubble somewhere that that took you 587 00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 1: from your clean room to the to the centinel island 588 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 1: Na Na Na Bro Na Bro. Now. A few days 589 00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:23,560 Speaker 1: before I recorded this podcast, wrote this podcast. At least 590 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: the Washington Post allowed a guy named Ed Stetzer to 591 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: publish an opinion column about Chow's death. Ed's job is 592 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 1: training missionaries to go do exactly what Chow was trying 593 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,800 Speaker 1: to do. Stetzer's column was titled Slain Missionary, John Chow 594 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 1: prepared much more than we thought, but our missionaries still fools. 595 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: The article is meant to leave one with the distinct 596 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: impression that, no, they are not, That John Chow was 597 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 1: an expert on the North Centinelies, that he was well 598 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 1: qualified for the mission he undertook, that he intended to 599 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 1: stay there for years, and that what he did was 600 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: a profound act of love, undertaken with every possible thought 601 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: to the safety of the Centinalies people. Here's the thing. 602 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: If John Chow had spent most of his life fascinated 603 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: by these people and by North Centinel Island, if he 604 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,200 Speaker 1: really did prepare for this as hard as other missionaries 605 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: claim he did, then I have to assume he did 606 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: at least as much research as I didn't this podcast, 607 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: which means that if he wasn't a complete reckless hack, 608 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: he read the single best article ever written about the 609 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 1: Sentinels people The Last Island of the Savages, published by 610 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: Adam Goodhart in two thousand, nearly twenty years before Chow's 611 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: own journey. And if he read that fantastic article, he 612 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: knows not just most of the history that I've talked 613 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 1: about outside of Portman's Poto graphic pictures. I mean, I 614 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,040 Speaker 1: guess maybe he wasn't reading about that stuff. I mean 615 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: he might have. He might have. If you allegedly are 616 00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 1: supposed to be interacting with the world, if you study 617 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: good Christian whatever like, surely you have to have that 618 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: knowledge of how innocent are you supposed to be? Exactly, 619 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,760 Speaker 1: so he would have been aware of a lot of this. 620 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: And if he had read that fantastic article that I 621 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: keep talking about, then he would have read the part 622 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 1: where it talks about the Jarawa tribe. Now, the Jarawa 623 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: are another native anemones tribe in the Islands, and until 624 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 1: the early nineteen seventies they were in the same boat 625 00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 1: as the sentinel Es, isolated, refusing all contact and murdering 626 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 1: anyone who strayed into their territory. Unlike the Sentinelias, the 627 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 1: Gerrawa responded to the Indian government's peaceful overtures also conducted 628 00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 1: by Pandite. Eventually they gave up their centuries long defense 629 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 1: and started taking trips into modern villages. This really started 630 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,680 Speaker 1: to happen in Earnest in the late nineteen nineties. Quote. 631 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: As they grew bolder, they became more of a nuisance, 632 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: stealing things from villagers, sleeping in bush police stations, even 633 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,720 Speaker 1: recently boarding public buses, much to the other passengers alarm. 634 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: Not long ago, several were found to have chest infections 635 00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: that appeared to be viral pneumonia. The Endiman administration was 636 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,400 Speaker 1: at a loss over what to do. As long as 637 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 1: it had been the civilized people who were sending contact 638 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:38,320 Speaker 1: parties to the Garrawa, everything had been simple enough. Now 639 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: that the Girawa themselves were sending contact parties into civilization, 640 00:31:41,400 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 1: matters had taken a most unpleasant term. Now Westerners started 641 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: traveling to the Endemans to see the Garrawa, because now 642 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,479 Speaker 1: this uncontacted tribe in nineties is working up. Suddenly it's 643 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: turns attraction. See, you can see some savages for yourself. 644 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: We're over racism, so we won't call them savages. We'll 645 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 1: call them natives or whatever. But you're doing this same 646 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: thing as Portman was doing. You're augling these people's naked flesh. 647 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: In some German backpackers were caught trying to pay to 648 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: have sex with what they believe was a young Girawa girl. 649 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: Thankfully she was well I thankfully she was an half 650 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: and Amnese prostitute. Her pimp was a con man. But 651 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,120 Speaker 1: that goes to show you there were probably some people 652 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: who managed to actually, yeah, yeah, probably some trafficking and stuff. 653 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: Hard to imagine it not having anyway, as you might guess, 654 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 1: the Jarrawa's first contact with world civilization was not filled 655 00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: with positive benefits for them. John Cho would have known 656 00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,320 Speaker 1: this if he did his homework, he would have found 657 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: a Guardian article written by Gethen Chamberlain in two thousand twelve. 658 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: It included a video titled Andaman Islanders forced to dance 659 00:32:40,120 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: for tourists. I'm going to read a quote from that article. 660 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: The Garrawa tribe have lived in peace in the Andaman 661 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 1: Islands for thousands of years. Now to our companies run 662 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: safaris through their jungle every day, and wealthy tourists pay 663 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: police to make the women, usually naked, dance for their amusement. 664 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: This footage filmed by a tourist shows Garrawa women being 665 00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: told to dance by an off camera police officer. So 666 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 1: we're to watch this next. Uh, and I'm going to 667 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,920 Speaker 1: read the English or actually, Andrew, why don't you read 668 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: in English which tour guys are telling the Drawa because 669 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 1: you're on the other side of the table for me. 670 00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: Oh sure, alry to work out? All right, where's the food? Okay, 671 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: I've given it to you. You eat it. I've given 672 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 1: your food, You eat it. You should eat it. Share 673 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: it with everyone. You eat what I've given to you. 674 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 1: The vehicle that will come behind us will give you more. 675 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:53,480 Speaker 1: Share it amongst yourselves, turn around to share it with everyone. 676 00:33:55,640 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 1: What's your name? So that's that's what contact has meant 677 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: for the Jarrawa is now rich. I'm gonna guess mostly 678 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:15,760 Speaker 1: European and American are making them dance for food. Yeah yeah, 679 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: pretty gross. Uh. Survival International, an organization that deals with 680 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,400 Speaker 1: trying to protect groups like this, notes that the outrage 681 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,960 Speaker 1: over this video caused a seven week travel ban on 682 00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:28,920 Speaker 1: tourist use of the highway that runs through Jarrawa territory, 683 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: but the organization claims that demand was just too high 684 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,600 Speaker 1: In essence for the local authorities to not want tourists 685 00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,280 Speaker 1: traveling through the area. They note that measles has ravaged 686 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 1: the Jarawa tribe in two major waves, and that they 687 00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: are down to just a few hundred survivors. On many days, 688 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 1: the tourists traveling through Jarrawa territory outnumber the tribe itself. 689 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: The Darrawa are doing better than many of the tribes 690 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,920 Speaker 1: that decided to enter the modern world earlier. The Bow 691 00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: were once one of the Great Anemones, a group of 692 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,879 Speaker 1: ten tribes who numbered five thousand and eighteen fifty eight 693 00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: when the British first welcomed them into the Empire. Today 694 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,319 Speaker 1: ft two total Great and Amines tribes people remain. The 695 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,319 Speaker 1: last member of the Bow tribe, who are believed to 696 00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,879 Speaker 1: have lived in the Animate islands for over sixty five years, 697 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: died in two thousand ten. We don't know how many 698 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 1: sentinelies remain. Low estimates say barely more than a dozen, 699 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: but their island is so dense and so little is 700 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: known about its interior that as many as four or 701 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,840 Speaker 1: five people may still remain. The current reaction of the 702 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,880 Speaker 1: evangelical community suggests that John Chow is being portrayed by 703 00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: many as a martyr and a hero someone to emulate. 704 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:27,040 Speaker 1: If that is the case, he will not be the 705 00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: last Westerners to try to preach the Gospel to the 706 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: Sentinelies people at the risk of committing that classic Polonizer 707 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: mistake and thinking I know the thoughts of an entire 708 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,879 Speaker 1: group of people. I do want to try to speak 709 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: for the Sentinels on one matter, because I think that 710 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 1: they've been very clear about this about what they would 711 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: say if they could speak to the entire world. Leave 712 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: us the fuck alone, that's fair. I mean the thing 713 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: with missionaries too, it's just like like, oh, we don't 714 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,040 Speaker 1: need to keep Harvard on this, but it's like the yeah, 715 00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,160 Speaker 1: the absolute wrong message will be received, and they're like, yeah, 716 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 1: we have to save these people. Yeah, no, they're fine, 717 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: And even if they're not, they've made their choice and 718 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,360 Speaker 1: it's shoot anyone who comes close for them. I guess, 719 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,640 Speaker 1: treat them like you do the yard of a person 720 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,440 Speaker 1: who lives in rural Oklahoma, and stay the funk away 721 00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: because they'll murder you if you pick into their land. Ye, Like, 722 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 1: it's very easy. We do it in the South all 723 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 1: the time. I grew up understanding that if I broke 724 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 1: into the wrong person's house and shoot me if I 725 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: broke into their land or whatever, like we get it. 726 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,399 Speaker 1: Treat the sentineleas like a random homeowner in Texas. Yeah, 727 00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:43,640 Speaker 1: don't exercise Second Amendment. Right yeah, so fuck yeah. As 728 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 1: as usual with the behind the Bastards recording, my main 729 00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: reaction is fuck. I mean, this one's like, I guess 730 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: a little because it is like so much born of 731 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 1: sort of ignorance you can't argue about, like there is 732 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 1: just like how could you possibly stop this without having 733 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,560 Speaker 1: people like question the very underpinning of their beliefs that 734 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: you're like the fun you're going to do? Oh, I don't. 735 00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: I don't know what we can do other than try 736 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 1: to educate other people that maybe understand that, Like these 737 00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: people have made their desire clear. I guess send them 738 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 1: more iron, Yeah, give more. Maybe send them nice arrows. 739 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: We make great arrows in the future. You might as 740 00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: well drop some out. They'll figure it out. They'll know 741 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: what an arrow, right, like a good as arrow, A 742 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: couple of compound bows. Why don't like it's really a 743 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:39,240 Speaker 1: matter of time before we just are sending drones into 744 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: places like that, right, I mean honestly, if you're going 745 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,800 Speaker 1: to contact them, that seems more ethical than people disease standpoint. 746 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,120 Speaker 1: You can make a drone clean pretty yeah whatever. They 747 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:50,920 Speaker 1: might destroy the drones somehow. If it looks like a 748 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,759 Speaker 1: bird and just stay high up in the air, yeah, 749 00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,319 Speaker 1: they'll assume it's an animal. I assume anyway. I feel like, yeah, 750 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: we're more ethical with these people than like when they 751 00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: film like a planet Earth at yeah yeah, or less ethical. 752 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,240 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, we're less ethical. Yeah. Just leave him alone. 753 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: Just leave them alone. And if you really have to 754 00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:11,760 Speaker 1: study them, do it with like, you know, a fucking 755 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,000 Speaker 1: forty six x lens from a plane. And I fully 756 00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: support that because it's cool as hell. I understand the 757 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,480 Speaker 1: intrigue someone who has spent a lot of his life 758 00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: exploring and going to places and wanting to see different cultures. 759 00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 1: I get the desire to want to know what's it 760 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,520 Speaker 1: like on that, what are their lives like, what is 761 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: their culture? Like? Totally understand, totally feel that curiosity myself. 762 00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 1: Don't go to their island. Yeah yeah, and you're not 763 00:38:39,239 --> 00:38:43,480 Speaker 1: saving anyone. You're not saving anyone, yeah, for Christ's sake. Yeah, 764 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 1: So yep, yep, yep, yep. Yep, pretty good, pretty good. 765 00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,000 Speaker 1: I mean the Guardian video is so disgusting. We're like, 766 00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: O course, yeah, this is like what it's like when civilization, 767 00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,439 Speaker 1: you know, And and it's a little fascinated to see 768 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,560 Speaker 1: because clearly that means there's a market for still treating 769 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: people as subhuman. Oh yeah, there's never not a market 770 00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:16,200 Speaker 1: for that Amazon. Yeah, but like it's it is several 771 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,239 Speaker 1: veneers of propriety removed from like it's they're not even 772 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: trying to hide it. Yeah, and it's it's so it's 773 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,799 Speaker 1: like discussing in a way that you're like, right, our 774 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: basis instincts will be with us forever. And I have 775 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,200 Speaker 1: to hope that most of the people on a journey 776 00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: like that. I know it's probably not the case, but 777 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,120 Speaker 1: most of them, you hope most of them would be horrified, 778 00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: would be like, oh, I didn't think it was going 779 00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:38,480 Speaker 1: to be like this. I thought we'd just get to 780 00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,360 Speaker 1: like walk through a village and see how they lived 781 00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:46,160 Speaker 1: or something. It maybe maybe people dancing for food, Yeah, 782 00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: you're the bad guy if you're part of a thing 783 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,600 Speaker 1: that makes people dance for food and it's not like 784 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,319 Speaker 1: a ballet where that's it's not that direct. Yeah, you're 785 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: not throwing bread on the stage. Yeah, yeah, and you 786 00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: want to plug some plugable I mean just not that. 787 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,239 Speaker 1: This is much more sunnier, much more sunny. Uh yo, 788 00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,239 Speaker 1: is this racist? Is my podcast? And yeah, if you're 789 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,280 Speaker 1: in San Francisco, we will be at San Francisco Sketch 790 00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:20,120 Speaker 1: Fest in January of two thousand nineteen, assuming we in 791 00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:23,280 Speaker 1: any way you like to define it still around then yeah, 792 00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: and you never know, you know, dissolution to the United States. 793 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: Anything could happen. Anything could happen. So listen to Andrew's podcast. 794 00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: Listen to more of my podcast. If you're listening to 795 00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:38,440 Speaker 1: this from the Andaman Islands, reach out to us on Twitter. 796 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,720 Speaker 1: I meant, I write, Okay, if enough of you do something, 797 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 1: I can probably con My boss isn't just sending me 798 00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: out there for a live show. We got to show. 799 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: If you're on North Sentinel Island and have Twitter somehow, yeah, 800 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,799 Speaker 1: well they are on Twitter there, They're on Twitter of course. Yea. Now, uh, 801 00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: I'm Robert. This has been behind the Bastard. You find 802 00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,080 Speaker 1: us online behind the Bad dot com. Find us on 803 00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:05,320 Speaker 1: social media at at Bastard's pod. You can find t shirts, 804 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: phone cases, insulin needles. Do we sell insulin needles? We 805 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: do not. What other kind of needles do we sell? 806 00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,960 Speaker 1: Heroin needles, heroin needles, all sorts of great branded content 807 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:18,960 Speaker 1: on te public behind the bastard's key public check us out. 808 00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,359 Speaker 1: We get some of the money from stuff like that, 809 00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:28,400 Speaker 1: which I will use to buy narcotics. I love about you.