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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: The search for an evil uber driver after a working

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Speaker 2: mom Shanty calls for a car after work and never

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Speaker 2: makes it home. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us. A late night uber

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Speaker 2: ride turns deadly. The shocking details of a mother of

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Speaker 2: two's final moments. Shanty Dixon, thirty is described as a fun,

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Speaker 2: loving go getter, a supportive friend and carrying family member,

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Speaker 2: but most importantly a doting mom. Shanty would do anything

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Speaker 2: for her two children, ages nine to thirteen, and works

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Speaker 2: hard to provide for them. Shanty often works late into

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Speaker 2: the night, relying on ride share services to get home,

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Speaker 2: joining me in All Star Pale, but first ione to

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Speaker 2: goes straight out to a renowned psychologist joining us today

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Speaker 2: from Manhattan TV Radio trauma expert. He can find her

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Speaker 2: at karenstart dot com. That's Karen with the Sea if

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Speaker 2: you're trying to reach her, Karen, thank you for being

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Speaker 2: with us tonight.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: How many more times does the victim have to be

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Speaker 2: a mother, Because when the victim is a mother, you

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Speaker 2: end up victimizing the children too. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 2: fathers don't do their Here of course they do. But

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Speaker 2: there's something about losing your mother. It can ruin your

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Speaker 2: whole life, care and start.

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Speaker 3: It can Nancy, It definitely can wound your whole life.

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Speaker 3: And think about these children, I mean mothers. We come

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Speaker 3: from our mothers. So there's a special connection in bond

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Speaker 3: between a child and a mother. And when something happens

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Speaker 3: to a mother, as in this case, then the children

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Speaker 3: are left with somebody caretaking them. And it's never the same.

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Speaker 3: How could it possibly be the same?

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Speaker 4: Chanty gets off work past midnight Sunday morning and immediately

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Speaker 4: orders an uber run a quick errand before heading home.

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Speaker 4: When they make it to the drop off location, Chanty

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Speaker 4: asks the driver to wait for a moment. She'll order

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Speaker 4: a second ride home when she finishes her errand. The

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Speaker 4: driver agrees, and Chanty orders to second ride, which is

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Speaker 4: completed in just minutes.

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Speaker 2: Again joining US at All Star, panels straight out to

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Speaker 2: Lauren Colin, joining US co host Primetime Crime on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Where did this take place?

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Speaker 5: This is Indianapolis, Indiana, Nancy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so a very concentrated population. There's a big difference.

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Speaker 2: Let me go straight back out to Brian Fitzgibbons joining

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Speaker 2: US direct operations USPA Nationwide Security. He leads a team

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Speaker 2: of investigators that specialize in missing people at uspasecurity dot com.

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Speaker 1: Brian, thank you for being with us tonight. Brian.

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Speaker 2: There's a big difference when you're looking for a missing

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Speaker 2: person and a concentrated urban area.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you've been to Manhattan a million times. I

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Speaker 1: raised the children there.

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Speaker 2: When you're trying to find someone in a concentrated area

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Speaker 2: like Indianapolis, it's like a needle in a haystack. It

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Speaker 2: completely changes the search for the missing person.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, Nancy.

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Speaker 6: And you know police had to rely on you know

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Speaker 6: app traffic, you know Uber capturing or lyft, the ride

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Speaker 7: It's absolutely difficult in an urban environment, the challenges that

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Speaker 7: investigators face locating an individual amongst tens of thousands of

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Speaker 7: other individual vehicles that look the same, people that look

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Speaker 7: the same. This is a very challenging environment to track

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Speaker 7: one person down.

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Speaker 1: It really is, of course, Brian is Gibbons.

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Speaker 2: When we're doing a rural search, it has its own problems,

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Speaker 2: but I think here, at least not out of ping

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Speaker 2: you actually go off ping radar. You can't get a

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Speaker 2: You've got a mom of two who works at night.

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Speaker 8: When Shanty is still on accountant for twenty four hours later,

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Speaker 8: finds Shanty's Apple watch. The watch shows Shanty's phone is

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Speaker 1: Okay, I don't like that at all.

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Speaker 2: The way that phones are now used, it's amazing. In

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget it. The case of Sherry Peppinie. Don't

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Speaker 2: was the young mom who goes missing at Thanksgiving, leaving

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Speaker 1: Everyone assumes she's been kidnapped.

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Speaker 2: Why because the husband didifyd my iPhone and he finds

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Speaker 2: And that's when I smelled a rat right there, Daryl Cohen,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to Darryl Coe and former felony prosecutor in

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Speaker 2: when I first smelt a rat with peppeni But I

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Speaker 2: Her phone had the the earbuds that attached to the

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Speaker 1: On top of a mailbox.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Darryl Cohen, really you're out jogging. You're forcibly attacked

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Speaker 2: Don't want the phone to get hurt? Okay, right then

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Speaker 2: rat smells stinks.

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Speaker 9: It doesn't stink, it reeks, Nancy. We know that phones

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Speaker 9: can't do it themselves. So it's obvious that whatever happened

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Speaker 9: by someone else, someone who was so smart. They were

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Speaker 2: Doctor Michelle Dupree is joining US forensic psychologist, medical examiner

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Speaker 2: and happily for me, a former detective with the Lextionon

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Speaker 2: County Sheriff's Department. She's the author of Money, Mischief and Murder,

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Speaker 2: the Murdog's Saga. The rest of the story, I don't

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Speaker 2: think so, doctor Duprey. Sadly, I think there's going to

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Speaker 2: be another chapter, such as a new trial, so you

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Speaker 2: may have to write any book that aside. This is

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Speaker 2: where I'm interested, she wrote, homicide Investigation field guide. Amazing,

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Speaker 2: doctor Dupre, you have handled so many autopsies and death investigations.

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Speaker 2: When a family, the victim's family, can you imagine this

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Speaker 2: is her mother out looking for shanty, follows the pings

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Speaker 1: And they know why would she mom be in the woods.

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Speaker 2: The sense of foreboding must have been horrible, Doctor Dupree.

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Speaker 2: What victims' families go through when they know inside the

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Speaker 10: Nancy, you know that when you see that that phone

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Speaker 10: is out in the woods, a place that she would

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Speaker 10: not normally be, and you just know what's coming next,

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Speaker 10: and you don't want to see it, You don't want

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Speaker 10: to feel it. You deny it it but you can't

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Speaker 1: A totally devastating What happens next?

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Speaker 4: Listen as the confused family walks through the area. Chanty's mom,

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Speaker 4: Reesa Dixon, doesn't find her daughter's phone, but sees what

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Speaker 4: Resa identifies the woman as her daughter, Chanty Dixon.

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Speaker 2: Oh my stars. You know, Darryl Cohen, I pull your

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Speaker 2: leg a lot. But you and I have seen I

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Speaker 2: don't know how many thousands of crime scenes and crime

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Speaker 1: I thought I was ready for it. I wasn't.

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Speaker 2: I opened the file, Darryl, and you know our sop

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Speaker 2: The victim's name was Mary, and she had been bludgeoned dead,

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Speaker 2: Shanty's mother, dear Old Cohen see something and doesn't really

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Speaker 2: realize what it is. It's her daughter's crumpled up body, Darryl.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes bodies don't even look like people, Nan see.

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Speaker 9: It's not something that we can ever, not something I

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Speaker 9: I'm ready, I know I'm ready, And then when I

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Speaker 9: many instances with your brain because you don't want to

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Speaker 9: know what you're going after. The person or persons who

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Speaker 9: committed that heenus crime that made the body in front

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Speaker 9: And when it gets up close and personal, we who

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Speaker 9: prosecute to never forget it. You sleep and sometimes wake

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Speaker 9: up seeing that picture. The image is so real that

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Speaker 9: you just can't even believe it. And then you think

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Speaker 9: about the people close to your kids, your family. What

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Speaker 9: happens if this is terrible? Nancy, there's no word, There

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Speaker 9: are no words that can explain how those poor kids

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Speaker 9: feel and her mom felt.

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Speaker 8: A community in mourning, a family seeking justice. The ripple

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Speaker 2: I would not wish that on anyone. To find your

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Speaker 8: Dozens of Indianapolis Metro PD officers combed the area for clues.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we've got a lot of evidence to go through.

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Speaker 2: Lauren one shot a single gun shot to the temple. Okay,

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Speaker 2: don't know, don't care, Frankly, I just know that it's true. Okay,

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Speaker 2: Describe to me, Lauren Colin, exactly the condition in what

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Speaker 1: She was clearly deceased, Nancy.

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Speaker 1: That tells me a lot right there. What can you learn?

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Speaker 2: You know, I always talk about trajectory paths, like did

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Speaker 10: Nancy, everything you said is accurate, and we look at

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Speaker 10: Nancy, The body can tell us so many things. It

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Speaker 10: gives us all kinds of clues. If we're just there

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Speaker 2: Story nearly, you know, Karen, start with me. Now, I'm psychologist, Karen.

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Speaker 2: I need to talk to you about leaving the mindset

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Speaker 1: I always use this example, which I find really odd.

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Speaker 1: And will it help me catch my killer?

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Speaker 3: Just like some killers pose bodies, they actually are thinking

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Speaker 8: Dozens of Indianapolis Metro ped officers combed the area for clues.

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Speaker 2: Last known digital activity tipping an Uber driver for two rides?

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Speaker 2: Brian Fitzgibbons. Brian, again, thank you for being with us tonight.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about the phenomena of Uber driver,

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Speaker 7: Well, you're looking at basic GPS technology that's through that

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Speaker 1: Brian. The technology of that it's public.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if I can see what the driver's doing,

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Speaker 2: So obviously, Brian Fitzgibbons, we can also determine who is

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Speaker 2: a guy named Francisco Valdez, Karen Stark. He's twenty nine

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Speaker 3: Help me, so this is somebody who is still attached

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Speaker 2: But well, I can figure that much out, Karen Stark.

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Speaker 3: You can still live with your mom and actually hate

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Speaker 1: Who she is. It happens a lot.

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Speaker 3: You see guys who fight with their mom all the time,

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: Daryl Cohen, we did not call them in sales, in

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Speaker 1: They were nothing to him.

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Speaker 2: Whoever did this had to really hate women, not just Shanty.

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Speaker 9: Obviously what he did was unforgivable and unmentionable. He likely

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Speaker 9: did not know she was a mother, and didn't really

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Speaker 9: much care that she was a mother. What he cared

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Speaker 9: about was killing this woman, killing this woman who absolutely

439
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Speaker 9: likely did nothing to him. Maybe she engaged with him

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Speaker 9: vocally as he was driving, but that's it. He hates

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Speaker 9: he did her, and he may have hated all women

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Speaker 9: because what he did show he had no relationship with her.

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Speaker 9: So as a result, you have to generalize. And in

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Speaker 9: my view, in my view, what he did was unconscionable

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Speaker 9: and unmentionable. And when and if he needs to have

446
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Speaker 9: one thing and one thing only, and that's the death penalty.

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Speaker 9: And that's me as a defense lawyer, a former prosecutor.

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Speaker 2: So who is twenty nine year old Francisco Valadez, And

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Speaker 2: let me warn you the lies start immediately.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 4: The Uber driver is identified as Francisco Valadez, twenty nine,

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Speaker 4: using his Uber vehicle details. Cops track him down to

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Speaker 4: a homie shares with his mother. Valadez confirms he drives

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Speaker 4: for Uber and whilst working early Sunday morning, Valadez tells

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Speaker 4: cops he owns a nine millimeters pistol but does not

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Speaker 4: care carriot. When driving, valades recognizes a photo of Chanty

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Speaker 4: and remembers her back to back rides, but says there

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Speaker 4: was nothing unusual about them. Valades comments that he heard

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Speaker 4: what sounded like a gunshot as he drove away from

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Speaker 4: the second drop off.

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Speaker 8: Valades says he called the police non emergency line about

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Speaker 8: an hour and a half after dropping Shanty off. When

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Speaker 8: asked why Valades's story changes, he now claims that while

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Speaker 8: stopped at an intersection, a blackmail armed with a gun

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Speaker 8: approached the back passenger seat where Shanty was sitting and

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Speaker 8: demanded she hand over her valuables. When Shanty refused, the

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Speaker 8: man shot her in the thigh. Valades says Shanty declined

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Speaker 8: his offer to call nine one one and got out

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Speaker 8: of the car still bleeding. Valades says when police did

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Speaker 8: not respond to his five point thirty am call, he

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Speaker 8: cleaned up the blood in the backseat.

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Speaker 11: Oh.

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Speaker 2: I love it when targets start changing their story, not

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Speaker 2: adding to the story, because that's to be expected. Upon

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Speaker 2: further questioning, the witness will add facts with the right questions.

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Speaker 2: But here we get a totally different story. Lauren Colin

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Speaker 2: joining Me, investigative reporter, co host of Primetime Crime on YouTube.

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Speaker 2: Lauren now first of all, which is like a big

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Speaker 2: red flag. Okay, Jackie, I need a red flag to

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Speaker 2: wave on the sick is this?

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Speaker 1: Listen to this? He says.

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Speaker 2: When he drops her off, he hears what sounds like

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Speaker 2: a gunshot when he drives away.

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Speaker 1: I mean, really, I love that. I roll that. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I need that, I roll on video. I'm going to

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Speaker 1: turn that into a meme.

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Speaker 2: He hears the gunshot, when a gunshot, but yet he

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Speaker 2: just keeps driving. All right, that's the first story. Then

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Speaker 2: he says he called the non emergency when I hear

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Speaker 2: what I think is a gunshot one a gunshot, I

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Speaker 2: immediately call nine one one. They recognize my number. He says,

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Speaker 2: he called not non emergent. See an hour and a

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Speaker 2: half after dropping her off, and they go why why

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Speaker 2: an hour and a half. He goes er, oh, darn,

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Speaker 2: I screwed that up. His story changes. What's his knee story,

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Speaker 2: Lauren commin?

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Speaker 5: Well, his next story was that she got shot in

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Speaker 5: the thigh. And then police are like, well, she was

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Speaker 5: shot in the head. They realized that he's lying. They

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Speaker 5: take him down A minute A minute, what you left

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Speaker 5: out the black man?

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Speaker 12: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yes, Susan Smith all over again. Blame the black man.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, wait, wait wait, okay, Darryl Cohen, Darryl, do

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Speaker 2: you remember who went on to become an incredible judge,

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Speaker 2: My former trial partner, Herman Sloane in our office. Okay, when,

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00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 2: of course Susan I happened to be. Okay, he wasn't

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Speaker 2: really my trial partner. He would just bail me out

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Speaker 2: when I got in troubling court, which is like every

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Speaker 2: hour he'd come in and if I have the right lawn,

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Speaker 2: get me out of contempt. Anyway, great friend. The description

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Speaker 2: that Susan Smith gave of the black man that took

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Speaker 2: her children and carjacked her out in the middle of nowhere,

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Speaker 2: there's a head on also of him.

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Speaker 1: That's not the one.

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Speaker 2: But I saw that and I went, herman, where were you?

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Speaker 2: Because the front not in the side one at all,

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Speaker 2: But the frontal face description she gave looked like herman.

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Speaker 1: He goes, I know, I've already been told I.

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Speaker 2: Looked like the guy a carjack Susan Smith's children. The

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Speaker 2: black man is the black man did it, and here

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Speaker 2: we're hearing it again. He now claims that stopped at

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Speaker 2: an intersection. Somebody's been listening to Susan Smith, a black

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Speaker 2: man armed with a gun approached the back passenger seat.

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Speaker 1: How did that happen? How did the guy get from.

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Speaker 2: The intersection into the back passenger seat and demanded she

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Speaker 2: hand over her valuables, not the driver, and she refused.

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Speaker 1: He shot her in the thigh. I mean, really, we

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Speaker 1: call it PFA.

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Speaker 9: Herman Sloan got off the bench, came over to that area,

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Speaker 9: did a PFA, which is a pick from air, and

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Speaker 9: all of a sudden she got shot in the thigh,

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Speaker 9: which majestically and as if by magic, went straight up

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Speaker 9: to her temple and she died.

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Speaker 2: The magic bullet like in the JFK shooting. Okay, that's

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Speaker 2: another thing for doctor dupree to explain how that shot

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Speaker 2: in the thigh ins that going right to left a

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Speaker 2: trajectory path through the victim's head.

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Speaker 1: Okay, listen to this, guys.

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Speaker 8: The investigator informs Valadez the Shanty's body was found and

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Speaker 8: she wasn't shot in the Valades quickly changes his story again.

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Speaker 8: Valades still blames the mugger, but admits he panicked afterward

543
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 8: and dumb Shanty's body. However, Valades adds another odd comment

544
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Speaker 8: saying that shanty was closed when he left her, and

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Speaker 8: whatever happened after I dumped her I know nothing about.

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Speaker 1: But you have to hear this. That's not all. Wait

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Speaker 1: for it, listen.

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Speaker 4: Valades tells investigators he's a thirty year old virgin and

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Speaker 4: asked Chanty if she would have sex with him during

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Speaker 4: the ride. Valades says Chanty refused him, but eventually agreed

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Speaker 4: for an undisclosed sum and undressed. Valades claims that while

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Speaker 4: he was struggling, Chancey made fun of him and eventually

553
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 4: angered him so much.

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Speaker 1: That he shot her.

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Speaker 4: Valades then drags Chanty's body into the woods and decides

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Speaker 4: to have another go at it. After another attempt at

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Speaker 4: intercourse with her body, Valades then dumps her belongings and

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Speaker 4: leaves Lauren Colin.

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Speaker 2: Let me understand, he is saying that Chanty he's been

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00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: working all night. Okay, on her way home, I agrees

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Speaker 2: to have sex with the uber driver out in the

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Speaker 2: middle of nowhere. It starts undressing. That's his story, Okay. No,

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Speaker 2: Lady Gerar is ever gonna believe that. No.

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Speaker 5: And he also said at one point too that she

565
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Speaker 5: was smacking him on the head, so he was acting

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Speaker 5: in self defense. But yes, that is such an absurd claim,

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00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: and every woman knows that that is.

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Speaker 8: Bs Uber faces an alarming surge in sexual assault allegations,

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Speaker 8: with reported cases skyrocketing from three twenty one in July

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Speaker 8: to us staggering one three and forty six today, an

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Speaker 8: increase of over four times in just three months.

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Speaker 1: For people that's out there doing stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Man be its in my chap because you picked up

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Speaker 2: a sure brand work and you thought when nobody don't care,

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Speaker 2: we care.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't do that.

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Speaker 11: From our friends WRTV, this mom has lost her daughter.

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00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 11: Her daughter had two beautiful children that she supported.

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Speaker 1: Now what I want to take a listen to what

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Speaker 1: we've just heard. Guys.

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Speaker 2: Melodes tells investigators he's a quote thirty year old virgin, Okay.

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Speaker 2: Then he says he gets angry shanty shoots her dead,

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Speaker 2: then drags her in the woods to quote have another

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Speaker 2: go at it, and tries to have intercourse with her body.

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Speaker 2: Believe it or not, Karen, start you and I know

586
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Speaker 2: it's not that uncommon.

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Speaker 1: What is that?

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Speaker 3: Well, you're talking again, Nancy about hatred, and you're talking

589
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 3: about men who very often have sexual issues. This is

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Speaker 3: this rape rape is not about sex. Rape is about violence.

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00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 3: Rape is about anger, and they have tremendous anger. They're

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Speaker 3: violent and they don't care if their victim is alive

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00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 3: or dead. They're gonna cary get.

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Speaker 2: You on the weeds and back into the middle of

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Speaker 2: the road. Karen Stark, I'm talking about necrythilia, sex with

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Speaker 2: a dead bactly.

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Speaker 1: That's what I'm explaining. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 3: Actually, it's easier if the person is dead for these

599
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,400
Speaker 3: particular people, because then they don't feel like they're judged,

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00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: they don't feel like someone is watching them, if they're inadequate,

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00:37:38,400 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 3: if they're not doing well, and they can just have

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Speaker 3: a go at it and not have to worry about

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Speaker 3: what the reaction is death actually turns down.

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Speaker 2: I'm just saying that's a little ephemistic, Karen Stark. Those

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00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 2: are the words of the defendant, valid as have a

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Speaker 2: go at it. It's certainly putting perfume on the pig,

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Speaker 2: doctor dupree, have a go at it. That means trying

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Speaker 2: to have sex to penetrate a lady's dead body.

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Speaker 1: Let's just call it what it is, all right.

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Speaker 2: That does not mean valades who's presumed innocent until proving guilty.

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00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: That does not mean that he is insane. Have you

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Speaker 2: ever seen that phenomena doctor dupre.

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Speaker 10: Yes, Nancy, I have, and there's usually there's evidence of

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00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 10: that at the autopsy as well. So this is not

615
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 10: something that we see, hopefully very commonly, but it does happen.

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Speaker 10: And he is a sick man.

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Speaker 1: Some may call him sick, I call him a killer.

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Speaker 2: And let me remind mister valades lethal injection the needle

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Speaker 2: is the mode of death in Indiana a lot better

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Speaker 2: than what Ante endured. But here's a tiny bit of

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Speaker 2: good news. Listen to Chief Chris Bailly.

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Speaker 12: After an interview, they arrested twenty nine year old Francisco Valadez,

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Speaker 12: who was preliminarily charged with murder. I anticipate additional facts

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00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:22,920
Speaker 12: being discovered in additional charges on this individual as we

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00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 12: move forward, like.

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00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 2: Tampering with a dead body, destruction or misuse of a

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Speaker 2: dead body, desecrating a dead body. And remember a case

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Speaker 2: cannot be made based solely on the confession of a defendant,

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Speaker 2: so we've got to find evidence that he did desecrate

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Speaker 2: her body post mortem. Tonight, our prayers with her children

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Speaker 2: and her mother. If you are so inclined. There is

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Speaker 2: a go fund Me set up to help Shanty Dixon's

633
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Speaker 2: children after her death. Remember, law enforcement is still building

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Speaker 2: its case. If you think you have information of any type,

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Speaker 2: dial three one seven two six two tips. That's three

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Speaker 2: one seven two six two eight four seven seven.

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Speaker 1: We wait as just as unfalls.

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Speaker 11: Goodbye friend,