1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: We don't always have to get quality players at top dollar. 2 00:00:08,280 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: We don't have to come out the blocks and just 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: you know, bust down the door and spend a whole 4 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 1: bunch of money for players. You're gonna get a guy 5 00:00:15,360 --> 00:00:18,000 Speaker 1: who has a chip on his shoulder and he doesn't 6 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: he wants to do nothing but perfect his craft. He goes, 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,160 Speaker 1: you see that that guy over there and he's pointing 8 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: to Ozzie. He goes, he's going to be a GM 9 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: one day. Welcome into the lounge. I am Ryan Mink 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:44,559 Speaker 1: and I'm Gart Downing. We have a great episode for 11 00:00:44,600 --> 00:00:48,519 Speaker 1: you today. Now we're giming up to the draft. Just 12 00:00:48,600 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: have free agency. Newsome is in the news. Everyone wants 13 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 1: to talk to a Newsom right now. Everybody wants to 14 00:00:54,960 --> 00:01:01,320 Speaker 1: talk to Newsom. So we got you one. Miss Newsom 15 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: is our director of pro personnel here. I just really 16 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 1: cracked myself up with that whole thing there. How long 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:08,760 Speaker 1: have you been planning that joke? A while? I heard 18 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,400 Speaker 1: sit in the bathroom at night before I went to 19 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:15,320 Speaker 1: sleep last night working on it right before we came 20 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: in to shoot this podcast. Make with staring himself in 21 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: the mirror, just trying to deliver it perfectly over and 22 00:01:20,280 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: over again. It wasn't great. Did youmail it? No? No, 23 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,639 Speaker 1: I didn't think so. Yeah, it was good enough. Anyway, 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:29,680 Speaker 1: Let's get to her email here, right, so before we 25 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,880 Speaker 1: jump into vents, with an email here. As always, you 26 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: guys can email the show at the lounge at Ravens 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,679 Speaker 1: dot NFL dot net. This email comes to us from 28 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 1: Zach Roberts, and Zach says, hey, guys, thanks for giving 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: me something to listen to while I do my homework. 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: My quird a lord, Zach a nerdy. He's a nerd. 31 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: Did you do your homework? You did your homework? Best part. 32 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: You know what it is. You know what it is. 33 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: You're calling Zack a nerd because you're We're the guy 34 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: that didn't get good grades. So you just wanted to 35 00:01:56,160 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: make fun of all the other smart kids in the 36 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: class to make yourself feel better. Boy, class sick boy, No, 37 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,320 Speaker 1: I was. I was a solid B student. Do my 38 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: hot work. Pay attention. I did have a sleeping problem 39 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:09,079 Speaker 1: in class. In college, I was the front row kid 40 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: to just totally head down the desk. If you're gonna 41 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: be a if you're gonna be a front row guy, 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 1: you can't also be the sleeping guy. That's bad. It 43 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: wasn't a good move. Al Right, I got Zack's back, 44 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 1: even though Mike wants to be a bully anyway. Zack 45 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:21,920 Speaker 1: says that my question for both of you is that 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: if Joe somehow had a huge injury like Vikings quarterback 47 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater did last offseason, do you think Ozzie would 48 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,120 Speaker 1: draft a quarterback? And who would it be this year? 49 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 1: Just throwing down the curse. Yeah, seriously, let's keep our 50 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: fingers crossed. The Zack's situation doesn't come true, seriously, but 51 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 1: it is an interesting question. It's interesting hypothetical. And uh, 52 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: I would say if the Ravens were drafting a first 53 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: round quarterback this year, they go with Mr Rubisky from 54 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: North Carolina, that would be the pick. I think, you know, 55 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 1: he's he's the guy, a little bigger, you know, kind 56 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: of that pocket passer, a little rugged, played outdoors. Uh, 57 00:02:56,040 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 1: you know, I think that he's a guy who could 58 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 1: probably translate well to the s C. North Um and 59 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: that's what the Ravens always think about when they're drafting quarterbacks. Well, 60 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: he could end up in the a f C. North 61 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: could potentially with the Browns you know, something interesting about 62 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: Mitch Drobiski is that I covered him in high school. 63 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: He really he went to Cleveland I think was men 64 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:15,200 Speaker 1: Are high school, and when I was working at a 65 00:03:15,240 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: TV station in Cleveland before coming here, he was like 66 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: the star high school quarterback. It was kind of funny though, 67 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: like people didn't necessarily think at that time that he 68 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 1: was going to end up being like this top five, 69 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: top ten pick in the NFL draft. He ended up 70 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: going to North Carolina, which isn't like you don't think 71 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 1: of like North Carolina quarterbacks in the typeline of a 72 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks. Um, but yeah, we could end up 73 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: facing him for the next many years to come. Do 74 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: you think the Browns are gonna take him? Shoot, I 75 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I thought they were taking Miles Garrett to 76 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:45,400 Speaker 1: play quarterback. Yeah, Myles Gart play quarterback. Yeah, I'll take 77 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: Miles Garrett to play quarterback. That guy is probably athletic 78 00:03:47,720 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 1: enough to do anything. They could get your miskits well, 79 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: so they could well see anyway with let's talking about Ravens, right, Yeah, 80 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,880 Speaker 1: that's probably more important. So we had Vince Newsome on 81 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: the podcast and uh, you know, I want to just 82 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 1: lay out before we get into the interview with him 83 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: kind of a timeline of what his year is like, 84 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: to just give you a brief synopsis here. And so 85 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,080 Speaker 1: let's say once this, right after the season ends, what's 86 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: he doing. Okay, he's compiling a Listen him and his staff. 87 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: They're compiling a list of all the unrestricted free agents, 88 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: priority restricted free agents, and potential cap Casualti's right. They 89 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: make a big list. Okay. After that, they rank all 90 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 1: those players, and after they watch all the tape, who's 91 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 1: the best. Okay? Then the Ravens go ahead, they take 92 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: those recommendations, they sign unrestricted free agents and whatnot. Okay, 93 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: then the draft happens. So as the draft happens, all 94 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 1: those college players then enter the pro side, and now 95 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 1: they're under Vince's umbrella of scouting. That's the pro personnel 96 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: instead of the college personnel scouting part of the department. 97 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,119 Speaker 1: So then Vince starts watching, you know, all those guys 98 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:53,479 Speaker 1: and other players that were already on rosters, kind of 99 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: the back end of the roster, guys right over preseason 100 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: games and all that stuff. They're watching to see who 101 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: could be cut. Okay, because once cuts are made the 102 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 1: roster during training camp and then it goes down, right, 103 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: so it's not only like like end of the roster guys, 104 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: but sometimes you have more cuts from like you know, 105 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: just high paid guys or whatever who came become available. 106 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 1: So you're you're always scouting the other teams rasters to 107 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: see who becomes available that the Ravens then could pick 108 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: up and add to their fifty three right before the 109 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: season starts. Okay, so that's another aspect. Then once the 110 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: season starts, they're evaluating and scouting all the other teams 111 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: in order to give scouting reports to the coaching staff. Okay, 112 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: so that's another whole round of scouting. Then they're evaluating 113 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: at the same time all the Ravens players. How are 114 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:42,159 Speaker 1: they performing over the course of the season. Okay, once 115 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: they get to the end of the season, they're kind 116 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: of giving a grade how well did those guys play, 117 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: in which they use that to determine which of the 118 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: Ravens players they're going to resign and which ones they're 119 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: gonna let go, and then the whole process starts all 120 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: over again. So that's that's a timeline. Yeah, So, as 121 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,320 Speaker 1: you can tell, it is an incredibly important job. I 122 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: don't think enough people recognize how significant this role is 123 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: in this organization and for teams across the league and vance. 124 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: I'm telling you people in the building, they know how 125 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,520 Speaker 1: important Vince is to this organization, and uh, we're happy 126 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 1: to talk to him today. Vince, I gotta start with this. 127 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: A lot of people around the building, you know, may 128 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: not necessarily know this. So I think fans look at 129 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: this and they say, Vince Newsom, Azzy Newsom, you guys 130 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: are brothers, right, that's funny, But no, we're not. We're 131 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 1: not related. As a matter of fact, we played against 132 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: each other. I was with the Rams in l A. 133 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 1: He was with Cleveland Browns. And this is in in 134 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: the eighties, so you may not have been born then, 135 00:06:41,960 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: but but but we played against each other. Um, you're safety, 136 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: he's a tight ends. You laid them out right now. 137 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,679 Speaker 1: I actually caught a crossing pattern, but but I always 138 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: declare it wasn't my fault. But there wasn't Newsom Newsome 139 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: tackle by Newsom. Okay, so, but that was in l A. 140 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 1: But we are not related. Um, but you know, surprisingly 141 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: we've been together and working together for what the last 142 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: five years? Five years? So the reason we wanted to 143 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: have you on the podcast is because when people think 144 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: of scouting, I think when fans think of scouting and personnel, 145 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: automatically everyone's attention goes to the draft because that's sort 146 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: of the marquee event. But there's this whole other side 147 00:07:23,480 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: of scouting personnel, which is what you do, which is 148 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: the pro personnel side of things. So for our listeners, 149 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: could you just kind of describe what it is that 150 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: you do on a day to day basis and what 151 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:39,200 Speaker 1: pro personnel is. Well, yes, as the director of pro personnel. Um. 152 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,600 Speaker 1: You know, as you know with college they get drafted. 153 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: Once they get drafted, we kind of declare their coming. 154 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: On the other side, the other side is pro personnel. Um, 155 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: you know, the pro side. Uh. And that's where I 156 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: come in. I'm as the director of pro personnel. There 157 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 1: is a I have a variety of things that I do. 158 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: I first and foremost were always evaluating the team. You know, 159 00:08:04,680 --> 00:08:08,880 Speaker 1: on a daily basis, Um, you know, the pluses and 160 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: minuses of guys, how well they're playing and and you know, 161 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: and how well they're not playing at times. Um. On 162 00:08:17,600 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: top of that, there's a myriad of responsibilities. There is 163 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: advanced scouting. Our next opponent whoever we play next. Uh, 164 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 1: there're scouts. Just like in college you go out and 165 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:34,800 Speaker 1: look at teams, um or or players. There are there 166 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,960 Speaker 1: are scouts like myself who go and look at our 167 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,440 Speaker 1: our next opponent. We evaluate the strengths and weaknesses of 168 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: our next opponents. So we can bring it back to 169 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:48,400 Speaker 1: coach Hardball and and his staff as to how these 170 00:08:48,440 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: pro players are playing right now. You know, they could 171 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: be pro players who have been playing for years, you 172 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: know in you know, on a team that our coaches 173 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: may know because they've been the various teams. But our 174 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: job is to give them, uh a quick analysis of 175 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: how these guys are playing now or within the last 176 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: four games or five games they've played this year, so 177 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:16,199 Speaker 1: we can go into a bunch of Pro Bowls. But 178 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: you're like, you know what, he's a veteran, he's getting 179 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: a little slower. Now. We might be able to expose 180 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: this kind of thing exactly, And that's so that they 181 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: can game plan schematically how to uh, you know, how 182 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,679 Speaker 1: to play against those players. And then there's also just 183 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 1: the guys who are on other teams who are going 184 00:09:32,280 --> 00:09:34,960 Speaker 1: to become free agents. Correct, I mean, so you're evaluating 185 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: that once the season ends and you've given all your 186 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: scouting reports, you're saying, all right, here's how these free 187 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: agents you know, who we might want to bring in, 188 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: who's playing well and all that stuff. Right, sure, sure, 189 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: So so then you say, it's almost like it's like 190 00:09:46,760 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: in in college there is there's the process and and 191 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: and in pros it's the same way. What we do 192 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: meet myself and in the entire staff on the pro side, 193 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 1: we evaluate every player that's going to be a free 194 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: agent and every single free agent everything, and then select 195 00:10:08,000 --> 00:10:10,439 Speaker 1: what you're called restricted free agents. There's the r f 196 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: A s, and there's u f A s and select 197 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 1: r f A s. Some r f as we wouldn't 198 00:10:15,320 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: be too interested in because they require maybe a pick. 199 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,800 Speaker 1: You know, we love picks. That's that goes back to 200 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: the draft. We don't like to give them away. So 201 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: with that being said, all those uf as that you see, 202 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: we make what what you've heard you've heard of a 203 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: college draft board. We make a pro draft, and so 204 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:38,440 Speaker 1: we make a pro draft board, but we have a 205 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: preliminary draft board initially, and that starts as soon as 206 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: the season's over. The draft is over, and we're going 207 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,199 Speaker 1: into the next year. A preliminary one is just a 208 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:54,319 Speaker 1: compilation of the guys who are going to be estimated 209 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 1: as uf as coming into the season. So there's already 210 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 1: a board set up, and then what we do is 211 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: we end up cross checking those players. We have all 212 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: those guys together and we split up all the u 213 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:08,679 Speaker 1: f A s and we evaluate them. So when there's 214 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: a guy like Tony Jefferson who comes on the market, 215 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: when you go through the process and you put your 216 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 1: board together, how do you go from having that board 217 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 1: set wherever he is on that board and then just 218 00:11:18,480 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: talking to Ozzie and Coach Harborne saying all right, let's 219 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: go get a Tony Jefferson. Okay, First, the first process 220 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: is is evaluating all the UFAs, and so once we 221 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: evaluate all of them, then then we ranked them by position. 222 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: So so they're graded and they're ranked by position best 223 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,200 Speaker 1: the worst. We haven't we by that time, it's towards 224 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 1: the end of the year, like probably this December January time, 225 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 1: really February is when we have them totally ranked and 226 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:53,559 Speaker 1: then um and we by that time we will have 227 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: evaluated our team. And so now we kind of have 228 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:02,439 Speaker 1: a sense from Coach hardball us where our holes are, 229 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, And so we may have ranked and made 230 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:08,920 Speaker 1: a board of all the UFAs, but then what we 231 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: do is we have target positions. So you know, for instance, 232 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 1: like this year, UM, we knew we wanted to boaster 233 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: our secondary so our sites were. The whole board is 234 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: done and everybody's ranked. But but hardball coach hardball wants 235 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: to target corners, wants to target safeties. So Tony Jefferson 236 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: sitting up there, he's one of the top ranked, if 237 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 1: not the top ranked guy in the strong safety or 238 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: free safety position. So so we have that and we 239 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: just furnished it too. It's it's kind of easy for us, UM. 240 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: Once we rank them, you know, and we evaluate them 241 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: and we kind of look for any holes there because 242 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: they have holes just like anyone else, you know, like college. 243 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: They look at the background. When we look at the background, 244 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: it's in their city, whether this has happened there were them, 245 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: have they had any off field problems, have they had 246 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,760 Speaker 1: any domestic problems? You know, what kind of wrinkles are there. 247 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: So we do basically the same thing they do in college. 248 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: We're just doing pro We can put all these top names. 249 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: It's wishless who we want and we can give it 250 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:17,199 Speaker 1: to coach hardball and we can give it Dozy. But 251 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,880 Speaker 1: then they got a little realistic part when they talked 252 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: to Pat Moriarity as the money, the money, what can 253 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 1: they spend? How can they And that's their job and 254 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: that's why they get paid what they get paid, and 255 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 1: we get paid what we get paid. During the season, 256 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:32,640 Speaker 1: though it doesn't even end, right, because you're also scouting 257 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: players like on other teams practice squads in case we 258 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,200 Speaker 1: need to fill a whole correct, I mean scouting guys 259 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: in Canada that we might want to sign, right, I 260 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: mean that's also another component. Correct. During the season isn't 261 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 1: just you know, advanced scouting the next opponent. It's it's 262 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: in the preseason. In preseason, we're looking at we're looking 263 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: at all all the players who could possibly get released. Um, 264 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:58,840 Speaker 1: we're looking for all those guys who who can fall 265 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: out and and who are going to possibly be on 266 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:06,439 Speaker 1: practice squads. And then and then it's really always evaluating 267 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:10,120 Speaker 1: creating a board where we can evaluate who the best 268 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,319 Speaker 1: practice squad players are on other teams in case we 269 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: need to boast our practice squad. We're trying to find 270 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 1: a guy who could possibly be at the end of 271 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 1: a roster player on a team on their fifty three 272 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: that could possibly get released for whatever reason, that we 273 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,720 Speaker 1: could acquire and help boaster us and make us better. Right, 274 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:31,600 Speaker 1: So I want to ask raids because trades are just 275 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 1: fascinating to be Obviously, we had this week the trade 276 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: of Timmy Journe again, but there's trades that go the 277 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:37,880 Speaker 1: other way to whether it's breaking in Jeremy Zutsa when 278 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 1: we traded for him a couple of years ago, you 279 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: gimn row um and then obviously we traded Jeremy Zutta 280 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: this year. But how did those come to fruition in 281 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: terms of do other teams call you and say, hey, 282 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: Jeremy Zutas on the market or are you reaching out 283 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: to other teams and saying, is there anybody you know 284 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 1: we're looking at, uh this guy at this position? Uh 285 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: is he available? How does that come to fruition? Well, 286 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 1: it's two different ones. I mean, for you know, lots 287 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: of teams just we'll call into to myself, calling the Eric, 288 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: calling the George, or call Ozzy for that matter, and 289 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: and and say they have a player, they have a 290 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: player that they want to UM, they want to try 291 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: to move, you know, for whatever reason. You know, that's 292 00:15:21,960 --> 00:15:26,800 Speaker 1: their business. Why they want it does come it does 293 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: come down to that does come down what's wrong with 294 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: this guy? You know, So you have to ask those questions. 295 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: You have to ask direct questions because they could talk 296 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: around it. But most most teams that their reputations are intact, 297 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: there's only thirty two so uh so they're really kind 298 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: of upfront as you usually do, the salary purposes, UM, 299 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: due to maybe they're not able to handle the next 300 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: contract that's coming up with that player. It could be 301 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: a myriad of reasons. Then basically what we do with 302 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:00,920 Speaker 1: that was we take it straight to Oz and we 303 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: just say, hey, uh, for instance, Washington Redskins, they're looking 304 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: to move their their offensive tackle UM and they and 305 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,440 Speaker 1: they're looking for a third for a third round pick 306 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 1: for him, and we send it to Ozzy and then 307 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 1: and Ozzy, you know, he basically assesses if he's worth 308 00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: it or not. You know, how much do you do 309 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: you get on the table because part of the reason 310 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: why we brought you in to talk about free agency 311 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: that you know, which just kind of ended. I mean, 312 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna open back up after May Night, I know, 313 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: and then after the guys get cutting all that stuff. 314 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: It's never really close. The big free agency period is 315 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 1: kind of behind us. Now, how much do you do 316 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: you ever kind of get up on the table and 317 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: I know you make your rankings, but do you stand 318 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: up and be like, you know what I really want 319 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,960 Speaker 1: Tony Jefferson or or you know last year, I really 320 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: let want air Wettll. I think after watching him and 321 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: scouting him, I think he would really add a lot 322 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: or is it just you just hand it over to 323 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 1: him and they may know there's so many components and 324 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 1: those those are We get the list. We get the list, 325 00:16:57,960 --> 00:17:00,240 Speaker 1: but the list isn't just a list that goes there 326 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: and we're like sitting on our hands and not thinking 327 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:06,120 Speaker 1: about it. It's like we've already argued why this list 328 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 1: is the way the list is. We have we sit 329 00:17:08,920 --> 00:17:12,000 Speaker 1: down with Erica kaza and and we have a talk 330 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:14,880 Speaker 1: about the board before the list can get like the list, 331 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: because there's a lot of conversations to get there, and 332 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 1: there's a little back. There's a lot of back and 333 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: forth with with there. So there's a there's a narrative 334 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:28,200 Speaker 1: that goes along with each player that's sitting there, and 335 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: and so so we have these long meetings where, you know, 336 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: before it even gets to Ozzie and John um with 337 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: with Erica Costa and our entire step and it's it's 338 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: we're sit in that room, you know, for days. But 339 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 1: we go through all the pertinent players you know that 340 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: we're targeting, and we explain why we want them. We 341 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:53,359 Speaker 1: explain what they can do for us, how you know, 342 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: how they're going to contribute as soon as they step 343 00:17:56,880 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: in because most of these guys in UFAs they got 344 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: we want them to play now, right, you know. And 345 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: so we we explain all that any background problems or anything, 346 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: because you know, if if there's an issue, you have 347 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: to know everything you're buying right right. Well, I gotta 348 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: ask you too, because a lot of people, I think 349 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: look at the Ravens and they say, well, they're just 350 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: not a big free agency team. You know, they build 351 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: through the draft, and even Ozzie says that, you know, 352 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: we build primarily through the draft. But you look at 353 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,720 Speaker 1: our history and free agent signings have have made a 354 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: huge impact here when we've had success. When you look 355 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: at the Super Bowl team, Rod Woodson, I mean mccrarry, 356 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: I mean, some of those guys were massive. Goose was 357 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: a free agent signing, I believe, Shannon Sharp, right, I mean, 358 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:37,840 Speaker 1: and then you look at some of them, even the 359 00:18:38,400 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl team, Jacoby Jones is a free agent signing, 360 00:18:40,840 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, Bernard Paulo, Bonte Leach, some of 361 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,159 Speaker 1: those guys, Derek Mason exactly right. Well, the thing is 362 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,000 Speaker 1: is you're you're hitting the point right on the head. 363 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: We have shown that we can get quality players. We 364 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: don't always have to get quality players at top dollar, 365 00:18:57,480 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 1: you know. Early we don't have to come out the 366 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 1: block and just you know, bust down the door and 367 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: spend a whole bunch of money for players who we 368 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: can get really good players. It's strategically at the right time, 369 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, and as he always says, you know, right player, 370 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,719 Speaker 1: right price. At least I believe we're really good at 371 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: it because you know, as you said earlier, free agency 372 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 1: is not over for us. So when people say, oh, 373 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: what are they doing? What's going on? They don't know what, 374 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, when they we we can't really answer that 375 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: other than to say we have a plan in place. 376 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,119 Speaker 1: You know, there's another component and what we do, and 377 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,680 Speaker 1: it involves us analyzing players who are going to be 378 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: you know, cap casualties. We have through you know Corey 379 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 1: who works in our analytics department. He just kicks out 380 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:52,240 Speaker 1: a sheet of cap casualty players, potential cap casualty players, 381 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: and our percentage in which these guys could possibly because 382 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: it's amazing when you look at that list. A lot 383 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: of those players as well or potentially going to be released. 384 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: And the thing is is that we grade those players 385 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:10,480 Speaker 1: along with the UFAs just in case they get cut, 386 00:20:10,880 --> 00:20:13,640 Speaker 1: and they sometimes so we can jump on him quick. 387 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:17,119 Speaker 1: We jump on immediately as opposed to waiting so Smith 388 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 1: gets cut, you get him in here the next day exactly. 389 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: Is a pretty good player. I don't want to diminish anything. Yeah, 390 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: but the one thing you have to do is you 391 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:31,159 Speaker 1: have to you have to know all about that. But 392 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,240 Speaker 1: if you're waiting the last minute to to move on 393 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 1: a player while other teams know he's out there too, 394 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,119 Speaker 1: that they can they can snatch him, they can swoop 395 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: you really quick. Talk about free agency, about bargain shopping 396 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:46,520 Speaker 1: and Ozzie's kind of theory behind that. Would you say 397 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: in your personal life that you are a bargain hunter 398 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:56,000 Speaker 1: because those look like nice shoes. Well look what well, look, 399 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 1: I know you guys have been around this building and 400 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,920 Speaker 1: you know there's there's guy our security director, Darren Sanders. 401 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: So these can't these can't touch Darren Sanders. Can I 402 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 1: can point out a few people? Um, ericaks he does 403 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: pretty good. Now you can't know. So if I had 404 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: to put myself on a on a ranking, I'd be 405 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: probably like in the middle tier. Alright, this is how 406 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: fancy you dress, you're saying, and how expensive clothes. I'm 407 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: at the bottom of that list. You definitely are bargain hunting. 408 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: Have you Have you spent more than forty dollars on 409 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: a pair of shoes in the last five years retail 410 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: or what? I actually that you paid forty exactly the 411 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:47,920 Speaker 1: bargains man purposal for bargain hunters. You haven't done You 412 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: haven't done that. I've watched enough of your I want 413 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:55,600 Speaker 1: to talk a little bit also about your background. You know, 414 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,800 Speaker 1: I think just to shed some light on that for 415 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: the listeners. And you know, like you said, you play 416 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: ten years in the NFL, played safety. You're at the 417 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: l A Rams now once again, Elli right? Uh? For 418 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: eight of those years and then Cleveland for two correct, 419 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,040 Speaker 1: that's correct. And so just how did that kind of 420 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 1: help you being a player? How did that help you 421 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,360 Speaker 1: transition into into the scouting world because you went into 422 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 1: it immediately after your playing career ended in Cleveland. You 423 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: just like walked up a floor and went into a 424 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 1: scouting office that you not well, yeah, yeah it didn't. 425 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: I didn't exactly this walk. But but but what I 426 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: would say is this, you know, I am, I was, 427 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: I was blessed. I was very very fortunate when I 428 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: finished my career. Um, it kind of abruptly finished my 429 00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: career with with Cleveland Browns. Um, you know Bill Belichick, 430 00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: Nick Saban was my defensive coordinator. Um, they wanted me 431 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 1: to get into uh some sort of football personnel. Interesting, 432 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 1: whether it was was the scouting part, it was the 433 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: coaching party. I had an option. And how did they 434 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,320 Speaker 1: gather that like that? Had you had conversations with them 435 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: about personnel or what? Well, the only way I can 436 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: gather that is that when I played, you know, I 437 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: was a safety obviously, UM, when I played, Uh, there 438 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: were times when we were with the Browns where they 439 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 1: would want to bring in players and there were certain 440 00:23:23,920 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 1: players like from the from from the Rams that um. 441 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: I remember one one player specifically, Alfred Jackson, who was 442 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 1: who played with the Rams. He was a corner and 443 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: and Bill Belichick wanted to bring him in and and 444 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: the scouts knew enough about him. I didn't know about 445 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: scouts then. I didn't. I didn't think about Scotts then 446 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: I was as a player. But he came to me 447 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,320 Speaker 1: and asked me, you know, if we're going to bring 448 00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: this guy in, do you think you know we could 449 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: get him up to speed really quick, get him on field. 450 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,639 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, he has this, he does this, 451 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: he's he's good at this. You bring him in. And 452 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,480 Speaker 1: I was a safety anyway, he's a corner, so I'm 453 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,880 Speaker 1: I'm like, just bring him in. I'll make sure he's 454 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: up to speed. So, uh, they brought him in. He 455 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:12,159 Speaker 1: came in, He he did, he did well. We got 456 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,000 Speaker 1: him on the field for that game. He had an 457 00:24:14,080 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: interception in the game, and you know, and and there 458 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 1: was success. So every now and then, you know, I 459 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: think Bill Belichick, it doesn't matter where it comes from 460 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: his song as he's getting you know, positive reviews on 461 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: players so he can make an informed decision. You know. Um, 462 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: not that we need to tell him anything player, but 463 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: but but I think that just that was something that 464 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 1: helped him. You know, with Nick Saban, it was just 465 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 1: being able to you know, play in his secondary and 466 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 1: knowing that Nick Saban, as hard as everyone thinks Nick 467 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 1: Saban is, Nick Saban just wants you to be a 468 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: perfectionist at your craft. Understand what you're doing. You know, 469 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 1: don't take shortcuts, and if you do that, you never 470 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,200 Speaker 1: have a problem. So I like to at least pride 471 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 1: myself for being a person who never who never really 472 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: took the shortcut in any kind of knew it. So 473 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 1: when I retired, you know, to my surprise, they came 474 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: to me, and um, I think even before I officially retired, 475 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 1: they said, hey, would you like to go into personnel? 476 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: While I was in personnel. While I was in the 477 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: personnel part during the priest, not it wasn't preseason, was 478 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: like it was preseason. That's when I first started. You know, 479 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 1: I was I was sitting in personnel meetings and I 480 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 1: was sitting in uh, um just coaching me the coaches meetings, 481 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 1: you know, So I was doing a little bit of both. 482 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 1: And while I was doing both, um, Uh. Mike Lombardi, 483 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: who was with Cleveland, he pulled me over to on 484 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,840 Speaker 1: the side and he said, he said, you know, Vince, 485 00:25:55,920 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: you you could um, you could do co ching, or 486 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,560 Speaker 1: you could do personnel. But he goes, you see that 487 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: that guy over there, and he's pointing to Ozzie and 488 00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: and I go, I go, yeah, he goes, he's gonna 489 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 1: be a GM one day. Yeah, he goes, he's gonna 490 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: be a GM one day. And I and I go 491 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,159 Speaker 1: really really yeah. He goes, yeah, he's gonna be a 492 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: GM one day. And you might want to think of 493 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:24,440 Speaker 1: getting into personnel, you know, personnel, and and he said 494 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: give us some thought. And I was still doing both, 495 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: and probably by the end of the the that that 496 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,960 Speaker 1: that preseason, I made a decision to go into personnel. 497 00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: Well that was really cool. It was Azzi was as 498 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:41,119 Speaker 1: salt and he was doing what I'm doing. He was 499 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: doing pro personnel, he was doing but he was more 500 00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: by that at that time. Ozzie was pro personnel, but 501 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 1: he was more like player personnel. So they had him 502 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: doing a lot of different things. So um, um, you know, 503 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: because Ozzi can multitask like that. And then and then 504 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: Ozzie brought you to Baltimore. Yeah, and then and then 505 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: then what I was doing, I was doing this this, 506 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:06,200 Speaker 1: uh you know, I went into personnel, so I was 507 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: so they didn't know exactly how to start me off. 508 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 1: So what they did is they had me do special assignments, 509 00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: which I would. I would basically special assignments would be 510 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:19,600 Speaker 1: scouting you know, wide receivers, things that I knew from 511 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: being a DV wide receivers, DBS quarterbacks. And I did 512 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,360 Speaker 1: that the first couple of years. Um. Then my last 513 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: year before we moved here, Um, they gave me they 514 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:36,680 Speaker 1: started segue me into an area you know where I 515 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: started scouting all the positions and so long story short, 516 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,920 Speaker 1: you know, by the time we moved to Baltimore, we 517 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:50,520 Speaker 1: were I was doing the West Coast and that was 518 00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: one of the guys that it was one of There 519 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,760 Speaker 1: was a lot of Yeah, there's a few guys out 520 00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:04,560 Speaker 1: there that I had in my area. Can you tell 521 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: us one thing about Ozzie that you've learned about him 522 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: that maybe people don't know or don't appreciate as much 523 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 1: as they should from working with him for so long 524 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: on one thing? There there's so many things out One 525 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: thing about Ozzie that people don't um well, the the 526 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: poppy gathers he's patient. They may gather that he's he's patient. 527 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 1: He's really patient. Um. The thing that makes Ozzie really 528 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 1: really great in my mind, that the people need to 529 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: realize is that that he uses he uses all of 530 00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: his talent, all the talent around him. He uses it all. 531 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: And he doesn't just rely on on on just like 532 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: one person, one voice. He uses it all. And and 533 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: the way the way I explain it to um, like 534 00:28:56,800 --> 00:28:59,520 Speaker 1: people who are just coming in or some of the 535 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 1: scout the new scouts to come in, it is is 536 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 1: that Ozzie is like the grand sifter. The grand sifter, 537 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: he's like, it's like if if you took a flower 538 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 1: and you're pouring in a sifter, and he just wants 539 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: the purity because he just wants to purity the essence 540 00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,200 Speaker 1: of football he wants and of a player. So so 541 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 1: he'll take the He he knows everything about the people 542 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 1: who are bringing him the information, and so when they 543 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 1: bring him the information, it's like a sifter. He pours 544 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: it in and they bring him the information and all 545 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: he is that he's sifting out. He just wants to 546 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: get the pure essence of what they're saying, and he 547 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,440 Speaker 1: sifts out any of the other stuff, because everyone comes 548 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: with biases and all those things. But he doesn't get 549 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 1: caught up in that. Lots sometimes people get caught up 550 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 1: in that and they're they're busy arguing the bias. You know, 551 00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:52,920 Speaker 1: they're arguing those those aspects. Oh he wore an ear ring, 552 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,760 Speaker 1: or he had at he had tattoos, or or or 553 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: he you know, I just didn't like the way he 554 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: talked to me, you know, you know, and those things 555 00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,560 Speaker 1: can get in the way of really getting to the 556 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: true essence of players. Ozzie is really good at taking 557 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: your information, sifting it out, and getting the purity of 558 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: a player. Interesting analogy. Yeah, and before we let you go, uh, 559 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,680 Speaker 1: since you are in charge of free antency, and since 560 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,480 Speaker 1: we did make some free agent signings, some good ones 561 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: this offseason, you gotta give the listeners just a little 562 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,239 Speaker 1: a little taste of what they're gonna be getting out 563 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: of Tony Jefferson, Danny Woodhead, and Burning Carr. Yes, wow, okay, 564 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: just a little bit, just a little taste. Well, okay, um, 565 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:46,800 Speaker 1: just very quickly um uh. Danny Woodhead, Danny Woodhead. You 566 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 1: know before his injury, he had eighty eight plus catches. 567 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:57,440 Speaker 1: You know, he's a very good, hard working slot slot 568 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: player if you need him there running back out the back. 569 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: But he's he's an ex factor type player. Um uh. 570 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,800 Speaker 1: You know he's come back from injury. Knock on wood 571 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 1: he stays healthy and if he does, he he brings 572 00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,800 Speaker 1: you a component that we have not had. You know 573 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 1: that that guy that can create mismatches, the guy that 574 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: can um, that can really kind of, you know, change 575 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: your temple in your game. Um being an extra outlet 576 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:32,080 Speaker 1: for Joe. You know that that that can make create 577 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 1: damage quickly. You know, and and and that's what we 578 00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: expect of him, you know, and you know, I think 579 00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 1: he's a great pickup. UM. So so that's Woodhead. Um. 580 00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 1: Tony Jefferson is a younger, a younger player. UM would 581 00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: has a seasoned and he's a little older. But Tony 582 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,720 Speaker 1: Jefferson is a younger player who had to fight his 583 00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: way up, work his way up through the ranks from 584 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 1: free agency. He had to compete in Arizona Cardinals, where 585 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: we declare that that's a really good defensive backfield type team, 586 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: and so he had to fight his way through there 587 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: to even you know, get get on the stage and 588 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 1: show case what he can do. And he's a guy 589 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,719 Speaker 1: who's gonna bring it. You're gonna get a guy who 590 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: has a chip on his shoulder and he doesn't he 591 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,720 Speaker 1: wants to do nothing but but but perfect his craft. 592 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: Brandon Carr. You're you're you're going to get a player 593 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: that is that is seasoned and durable and and and 594 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: he plays with his head first, and and and he's 595 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: really talented. But he knows how to use all his 596 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:48,440 Speaker 1: help when he's on the field. And he and he 597 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: he's a smart player. So you take a smart player 598 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,760 Speaker 1: like car, You take a smart player like what all 599 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,160 Speaker 1: you take. You take you take a young um young 600 00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: guy like Jefferson and you and you put it alongside 601 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: of of of of Jimmy Jimmy Jimmy who's gonna come 602 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: back from injury, Who's who's chopping at the bit to 603 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: play and and get on the field and and do 604 00:33:13,520 --> 00:33:16,880 Speaker 1: what he's always done, along with the guy that sits 605 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,240 Speaker 1: in the middle, because you know they run spread offense 606 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: and so much. You're gonna you're gonna have Tavon sitting 607 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 1: in the U Nickel position and you have a totally 608 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: different secondary than you had a year ago. It looks 609 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: pretty good right now. Cool, Evince, We appreciate the time. 610 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:39,280 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. All right, so thanks again Evince 611 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: for joining us. And just you know, good perspective obviously 612 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,680 Speaker 1: from him about how this whole thing operates. Yeah, for sure. 613 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,080 Speaker 1: He actually shares some kind of interesting with us. Just 614 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: as we finished up, we were sitting here chat with him. 615 00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. He was talking about and he didn't get 616 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: into this, is that agents are calling him all the time. 617 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 1: He's always on the phone with agents, right, So they're 618 00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,800 Speaker 1: they're calling and say, hey, I got this free agent 619 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 1: wide receiver or whatever. You guys really need to sign 620 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: this guy. You need to take a look, right, And 621 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,480 Speaker 1: Vince is like, all right, well, you know, is he 622 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 1: better than the guys you have on the roster, And 623 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: of course the agent says yes, and so job exactly, 624 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,280 Speaker 1: it's always this game of like they're playing back and forth. 625 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 1: And you know, even like you know Joe Smith sitting 626 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: on his couch right, who played college football five years ago, 627 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,319 Speaker 1: who thinks he can still run a four or four 628 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: or four year dash. There's there's an a staggering amount 629 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,760 Speaker 1: of people like that that send the Ravens like video 630 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: clips of them running with their shirt off in their backyard, right, 631 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 1: and they're trying to get signed by the Ravens, and 632 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,480 Speaker 1: all that stuff gets funneled through Vets, right. So it's 633 00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,440 Speaker 1: just that's a whole other aspect of his job that 634 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 1: he didn't even really get to talk about. He also 635 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,399 Speaker 1: shared who his favorite agent is, but we're not gonna 636 00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 1: we're gonna keep that confidentially because you know, we don't 637 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: want any other agents calling Vince and be like, what 638 00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,439 Speaker 1: the hell, right, But it was really interesting talking to Vince. Yeah, 639 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know that, like he spends so much time 640 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,439 Speaker 1: on the phone with all those guys, and I didn't 641 00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:01,719 Speaker 1: know that there was board basically, like there's a draft board, 642 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 1: there's a free agent board, and they do that too. 643 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: So I really appreciate the time for Vince. And then 644 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks it's it's all draft. 645 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: It's gonna be draft draft draft for us. So we're 646 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,880 Speaker 1: working on some really good guests, some in house and 647 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,800 Speaker 1: outside the building. Guys we won't name names. We're just 648 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: gonna keep the intrigue. There's a little mystery that goes 649 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 1: along with cliffhanger. Yeah, a little cliffhanger for you, So 650 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,319 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to wait and see who we end 651 00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 1: up getting to stop by the Lounge in the next 652 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: couple of weeks. So thank you for listening. Make sure 653 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,360 Speaker 1: you email us at the Lounge at Ravens dot NFL 654 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,920 Speaker 1: dot net. We love your emails and we promised to 655 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,680 Speaker 1: get back to you and reply to them, so thanks 656 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:37,520 Speaker 1: once again and we'll talk to you next week.