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Speaker 2: This is Straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up,

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Speaker 2: straight firefam?

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Speaker 3: It's me Jason McIntyre, Straight Fire for Wednesday, June twenty eight.

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Speaker 3: The month is nearly over, July fourth on the horizon,

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Speaker 3: and your boy is uh, it's one of those been

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Speaker 3: one of those weeks.

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Speaker 2: Let's just say that.

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Speaker 3: Not a bad week necessarily, But when my brother is

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Speaker 3: sending me texts, what.

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Speaker 2: Is New York Post writing about you?

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Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, and all these people sending me this

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Speaker 3: tweet from I didn't this NBA Central account.

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Speaker 2: I've never you know, I don't follow it.

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Speaker 3: I had seen it before my timeline, but I didn't

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Speaker 3: know it had that kind of juice, you know, talking

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Speaker 3: about the Kevin Durant stuff. And listen, Okay, it's been

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Speaker 3: a busy week. Yes, obviously, it's also been a slow

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Speaker 3: news week, like for instance, for instance, got the podcast

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Speaker 3: didn't even dig into the John Collins trade from the Hawks. Folks, Listen,

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Speaker 3: I know a lot of people scoff and roll their eyes.

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Speaker 3: Cowhard is like, we're not talking about the John Collins

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Speaker 3: trade to Utah. I'm just telling you it was for

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Speaker 3: Rudy Gay and a draft pick Basically, the Hawks hung

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Speaker 3: on to Collins way too long. They'd told him a

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Speaker 3: year ago, two years ago, they could have gotten more

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Speaker 3: than what they got. But a couple things on the

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Speaker 3: Atlanta Hawks just fouled us away for gambling purposes.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they have a.

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Speaker 3: Really good roster, very good roster. They have a very

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Speaker 3: good coach who showed up mid season, Quinn Sneyder. He's

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Speaker 3: already saying, hey, John Collins in in the plans.

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Speaker 4: Let's move on.

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Speaker 3: Let's bring in a guy I know really well, Rudy Gay,

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Speaker 3: and he has his Bogdanovich on the wing, who he

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Speaker 3: knows well from Utah. Would not be shocked if they

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Speaker 3: moved on from Capella or DeAndre Hunter. I know that

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Speaker 3: sounds insane. Hunter was I think a top five pick,

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Speaker 3: top ten pick. But they really like a Kong Wu

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Speaker 3: at center. He's almost ready, and they got a good roster. Guys, listen,

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Speaker 3: I know it's the Hawks. Obviously Trey Young is their leader,

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Speaker 3: but de Jean ta Murray's very good.

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Speaker 2: They gotta pay him. Adrian, sorry, not Adrian Griffin, A J.

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Speaker 4: Griffin.

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Speaker 2: Adrian's his dad.

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Speaker 3: AJ Griffin looked pretty good as a young kid out

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Speaker 3: of Duke, Sadik Bay is undervalued and has some talent,

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Speaker 3: and Jalen Johnson another kid out of Duke.

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Speaker 2: They like a lot. So like this roster's got some guys.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I can see a scenario where the Atlanta Hawks are,

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Speaker 3: for instance, the twenty twenty three, last year's version of

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Speaker 3: like the Sacramento Kings. The East is top heavy after

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Speaker 3: the top four. There's a lot of suspect teams. And

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Speaker 3: let's be real, all it takes is one or two

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Speaker 3: injuries to someone on Philly, someone on Boston, someone on Milwaukee,

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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden there is a little slippage,

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Speaker 3: and I would not be I'll be looking about the

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Speaker 3: Atlanta Hawks over total. Let's see what else Quinn Snyder does.

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Speaker 3: I just like their roster. You look at their top

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Speaker 3: eight guys, top nine, they got some dudes. I like

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Speaker 3: the squad. I like what Quinn Snyder's doing. So I

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Speaker 3: like the John Collins trade. I also don't hate it

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Speaker 3: for Utah. They got some talent. The problem is it's

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Speaker 3: the West. And I was telling Rob g before we

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Speaker 3: record with Ian Begley. He's a New York reporter. He

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Speaker 3: we talked nets and he on social media jumped into

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Speaker 3: the Kevin Durant Frey had some thoughts, so we bat

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Speaker 3: that around. But I was telling Rob g like, you know,

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Speaker 3: there's a world in the West where the two teams

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Speaker 3: and Houston, splurge. And they're not a nineteen win team,

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Speaker 3: you know, they're not a twenty one win team. All

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Speaker 3: of a sudden, they're bumped up to like thirty thirty

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Speaker 3: five and are suddenly competitive. And some of these other

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Speaker 3: teams are aging. Golden State's aging, the Lakers are kind

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Speaker 3: lot of cap space. So a week from now, I

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Speaker 3: don't know do they get in the Fred van Vliet

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Speaker 3: Step six sweepstakes. A lot of people texting me and

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Speaker 3: dming me, you're crazy. Van Vliet said this about Popovich. Guys,

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Speaker 3: come on, it's water under the bridge. The Warriors hated

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Speaker 3: Chris Paul, Steph Curry and Chris Paul had an open

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Speaker 3: few Draymond Green does not like Chris Paul. They just

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Speaker 3: added him, like stop with this, like what he said

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Speaker 3: about him in twenty nineteen. I think Minnesota's gonna be

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Speaker 3: pretty good, you know, full year two with the new guys.

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Speaker 3: Maybe they move on from cat. I think, Okay se

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be good. The Pelicans were a playing team

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Speaker 3: and they were number one in the West in like December.

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Speaker 3: Dallas obviously ain't going anywhere, assuming Kyrie comes back. You know,

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Speaker 3: Utah was pesky. They missed the playoffs like in the

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Speaker 3: I'm just saying, there's a world where the West is

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Speaker 3: five through I don't know five through, Can I say

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Speaker 3: But I'm getting ahead of myself. Free agencies next week. Anyways,

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Speaker 3: Let's get to our guest, Ian Begley from sn Y

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Speaker 3: and he's got a digital NBA show called The Putback.

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Speaker 2: You know a guy Jason likes to think he knows

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Speaker 2: everything when it comes to sports.

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Speaker 4: I know what sports fans want.

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Speaker 2: But for everything he doesn't. He knows a guy who does.

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Speaker 3: Let's just say I know a guy who knows a

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Speaker 3: guy who knows another guy.

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Speaker 4: All right, let's welcome into straight Fire a special guest.

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Speaker 4: He's never been on.

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Speaker 3: The pod before, but he's like a New York Jersey guy.

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Speaker 3: So we go way back in newspapers. Both of us

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Speaker 3: started out as ink stained wretches. Now he pushes my

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Speaker 3: Kevin Durant thing on Twitter. It gets a billion likes

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Speaker 3: and it goes into the stratus here and all these

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Speaker 4: Angry at me.

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Speaker 3: Ian Begley he housed a digital NBA show called The Putback.

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Speaker 1: Ian.

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Speaker 4: How you doing man, Jason?

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Speaker 1: What's happening man? How are you? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I'm good.

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Speaker 3: I'm kind of under fire here hunkered down in LA,

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Speaker 3: just taking shots left and right.

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Speaker 4: From Kevin Durant fans all over the world.

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Speaker 3: Thanks to you, no, in all seriousness, you know, thanks

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Speaker 3: for popping that piece. We obviously disagreed on NBA players

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Speaker 3: sparring with fans on.

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Speaker 4: Social media, you know.

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Speaker 3: To get things started, Ian, I'll ask you obviously as

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Speaker 3: a reporter, you got a lot of followers, You're used

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Speaker 3: to this. You got a lot of dudes sending you

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Speaker 3: messages in your mentions, just coming at you, whether it's personal,

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Speaker 3: whether it's your take suck, your writing stinks, whatever it is.

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Speaker 4: How often do you fire back at the randoms?

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Speaker 1: It's rare.

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Speaker 5: Man, Like I would say, I always have the impulse

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Speaker 5: to do it, and then I think better of it,

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Speaker 5: and maybe, like I don't know, once out of a

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Speaker 5: hundred times, you'll catch me like in a bad moment,

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Speaker 5: I'd love to do it. But you're not going to

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Speaker 5: change anyone's mind by arguing with them on Twitter. It's

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Speaker 5: just not going to happen. It's a waste of time.

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Speaker 5: Nothing good can come of it. So I try not to.

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Speaker 5: I try to just kind of bite my lip and

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Speaker 5: take it.

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Speaker 1: But there are moments.

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Speaker 5: Where I get I get pretty fired up behind the screen.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I'm one hundred percent with you, like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I used my new thing is in the last two years.

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Speaker 4: I checked the bio.

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Speaker 3: If they're following, I might reply because they care enough

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Speaker 3: to follow.

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Speaker 4: If they don't reply, I ain't replying.

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Speaker 1: I don't care.

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Speaker 3: You don't care about me, you're just jumping into talk trash.

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Speaker 3: So now let's fast forward to Kevin Durant scenario. He's

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Speaker 3: got you know, probably five million followers, ten million.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 3: He's got way more than us combined to the fiftieth

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Speaker 3: power and it's like, I don't see what the win

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Speaker 3: is for him digging in on social media or in

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Speaker 3: the comments section or on a Twitter spaces Whereas you said,

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Speaker 3: he's not going to change anybody's mind on if he's.

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Speaker 4: A top five player.

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Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, do you have him currently

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Speaker 3: as a top five player in the league. I'd love

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Speaker 3: to hear your top five, not in any order.

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Speaker 1: But I would say.

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Speaker 5: The only reason I would put him out of my

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Speaker 5: his burst is still there. He could still get around defenders.

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Speaker 5: But going back to that Celtics series when he was

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Speaker 5: could lead the Suns to a championship, and I would

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Speaker 1: But I just I go back to that Boston.

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Speaker 5: Series and I just wonder how close of Pete Kevin

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Speaker 5: Durant are we going to see and how much longer

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Speaker 5: are we going to see it?

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of where I break the top five.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, but Jason, you talked about, you know, the idea

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Speaker 5: that there's no reason for him to be in there, And.

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Speaker 1: Where I go is Listen, we both grew up Tri

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Speaker 5: I was a giant fan, so I'm just picturing myself

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Speaker 5: in college Eli Manning rookie year. I was probably killing

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Speaker 5: just destroying him with my buddies. Imagine if he just

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Speaker 1: That would be a dream come true.

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Speaker 5: That would be amazing to be able to interact with

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Speaker 5: Eli Manning in that moment, even if we're killing him, right,

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Speaker 5: So that's kind of where I go with it. I

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Speaker 5: just try to put myself in the shoes of the

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Speaker 5: people who Kevin is interacting with, and in that space

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Speaker 5: where they said he wasn't a top five player. Just

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Speaker 5: him dropping in there like that's remarkable, and he's talking

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Speaker 5: about basketball like you're hearing it from the horse's mouth,

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Speaker 5: so to speak. So from a fans perspective, it does

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Speaker 5: not get any better than that, in my opinion.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a great point. You know, I would largely

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Speaker 3: agree with that. He's a man of the people. I

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Speaker 3: will talk to you guys, But you know, I did

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Speaker 3: listen to it, and it's not like he was like

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Speaker 3: it seemed kind of one sided, Like y'all are dumb.

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Speaker 3: You don't know how to judge players. If you're good,

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Speaker 3: you're good, blah blah blah, you know, taking shots.

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Speaker 5: Few who you know, whether he's you agree with what

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Speaker 4: Oh, Kevin Durantz top five.

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Speaker 3: The other half says, no, I can't in my mind

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Speaker 4: Right, would you agree?

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Speaker 4: Frankly, you know, I don't have time to care what

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Speaker 3: Fair enough, all right, So let's get to a couple

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Speaker 3: and knick stuff. For some reason, Dame Lillard loves McHale Bridges,

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Speaker 1: The Blazers approach it? Do they do right by Dame?

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Speaker 3: So I would assume that Dorian Finney Smith they do

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Speaker 3: But I wonder do you think, and again we saw

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Speaker 3: All right, And so it doesn't seem like the Nets

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Speaker 4: But I also don't think the Knicks really have one.

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Speaker 1: Tradeable players, but Lillard for what you said.

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Speaker 3: Would Karl Anthony Towns, in your opinion, qualify as a

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Speaker 4: Held back. He loves New York. I'm sure he would

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Speaker 5: I think he'll embrace Carl Towns with open arms and

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Speaker 5: coach him the way he would coach any player on

437
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Speaker 5: the Knicks. Is he the guy to help them get there?

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

439
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Speaker 5: Like Towns, I think he's a fantastic player, incredibly talented,

440
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Speaker 5: But you look at what Minnesota has done with him there,

441
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Speaker 5: they haven't exactly made long playoff runs. Can put that

442
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Speaker 5: all on Towns, But when you're that talent, and when

443
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Speaker 5: you are the face of the franchise, the blame does

444
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Speaker 5: get placed that you to some degree. So maybe if

445
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Speaker 5: he's surrounded by a team that has established itself as

446
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Speaker 5: a winning corps and he comes in and he can

447
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Speaker 5: slide in, that maybe works well.

448
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Speaker 1: But I think if you're trading for Carl.

449
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Speaker 5: Towns, and he's coming in and he's thinking that he's

450
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Speaker 5: gonna be the number one guy, you know, twenty twenty

451
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Speaker 5: five shots tonight. It's not gonna work out well because

452
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Speaker 5: the Knicks already have players who are going to have

453
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Speaker 5: the ball in their hands and are going to be

454
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Speaker 5: taking shots no matter who you send out to Minnesota

455
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Speaker 5: in that kind of trade.

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Speaker 3: All right, Before I ask you who you think the

457
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Speaker 3: Knicks could bring in, let me throw one at you.

458
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Speaker 3: So the Clippers call up and say, hey, we want

459
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Speaker 3: to get a little younger on the wing.

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Speaker 4: We'll put together a package.

461
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Speaker 3: We ship you Paul George we would be interested in,

462
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Speaker 3: and maybe an RJ.

463
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Speaker 4: Barrio, RJ Barrett Julius Randall type combo. Is that something

464
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Speaker 4: you think the Knicks would consider?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I know that there are people over there

467
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Speaker 5: that see Paul George is the perfect addition to a

468
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Speaker 5: team coming off of a forty seven win season like

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Speaker 5: the Knicks are. I know the Knicks and Clippers had

470
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Speaker 5: contact about Paul George prior to the draft, so I

471
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Speaker 5: think the Knicks would be very aggressive there. I don't

472
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Speaker 5: know if you're talking about RJ. Barrett and Julus Randall

473
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Speaker 5: I don't know if they'd go there, but I think

474
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Speaker 5: one of the two they would do if the Clippers

475
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Speaker 5: were reasonable and what else they wanted beyond just that player.

476
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Speaker 5: I know that somewhat the Clippers are fans of RJ. Barrett,

477
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Speaker 5: so maybe there's something there. But to me, if you're

478
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Speaker 5: the Clippers, you're trading Paul George, you still have to

479
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Speaker 5: put together a team that's ready to win a championship

480
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Speaker 5: this coming season. You're opening that new arena in a

481
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Speaker 5: couple of years, so you want a championship contender going

482
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Speaker 5: into that arena too. So I don't know, like, is

483
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Speaker 5: there a nick where the Clippers could take that player

484
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Speaker 5: back and say, all right, he's ready to help us

485
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Speaker 5: win a title.

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Speaker 1: That's up for debate.

487
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Speaker 5: But I don't see a clear name for them, or

488
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Speaker 5: two names for them where it's a no brainer for

489
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Speaker 5: them to take those players back in a Paul George street.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the Paul George stuff is difficult because I don't know,

491
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Speaker 3: do you see the Knicks opening up the check book

492
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Speaker 3: and saying, sure, we'll give you a four year deal

493
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Speaker 3: even though you heard every year, Because it doesn't seem

494
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Speaker 3: like the Clippers want to.

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Speaker 5: Do that I think that's where this whole thing kind

496
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Speaker 5: of emanates from, like that next contract, that extension that

497
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Speaker 5: Paul George is eligible for, that Kawhi Leonard is eligible for.

498
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Speaker 5: And so I don't know how the Knicks would see it.

499
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Speaker 5: I know that, you know, there's organic ties between Leon Rose,

500
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Speaker 5: former top agent at CIA, and Paul George's representation because

501
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Speaker 5: he's also a CIA player. But I can't see for

502
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Speaker 5: the reasons we discussed earlier, Jason, for the idea that

503
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Speaker 5: Leon Rose by and large has been pretty conservative. I

504
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Speaker 5: can't see Paul George being the player that they commit

505
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Speaker 5: big money to, you know, adding four years onto his

506
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Speaker 5: deal or keeping him around for another contract, big money contract.

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Speaker 5: I don't think this is the guy that they put

508
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Speaker 5: all their chips into.

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Speaker 4: For all right, last one.

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Speaker 3: Zion Williamson obviously would be a big, big splash. You'd

511
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Speaker 3: be buying very low, the off court stuff, you know,

512
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Speaker 3: the porn stars, the strippers. We will get into New

513
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Speaker 3: York's place.

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Speaker 4: Zion Williamson could have probably too much fun.

515
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Speaker 3: But is that a name where if you can buy low,

516
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Speaker 3: you know, you got to love to buy low.

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Speaker 4: Zion Williamson could be attractive to the Knicks.

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Speaker 5: I think you see what Zion does this season with

519
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Speaker 5: New Orleans. I got the sense that they were not

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Speaker 5: going to move him, or they are not going to

521
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Speaker 5: move him this offseason. Get the sense that they want

522
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Speaker 5: to see how things play out in the season. But

523
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Speaker 5: you know, if they're struggling, if they're not winning games

524
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Speaker 5: the way that ownership wants to see, and Zion Williamson

525
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Speaker 5: isn't playing at a high level, or he's not playing

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Speaker 5: at all because of injuries, I could see them saying,

527
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Speaker 5: all right, well, you know that, Zion, it's not working here.

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Speaker 5: We're gonna have to look for to ship you out here.

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Speaker 5: And at that point, Jason, it's about the price, exactly

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Speaker 5: what you said, Like, can you get him for you know,

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Speaker 5: ten cents on the dollar, twenty cents on the dollar,

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Speaker 5: Then to me it's a no brainer. But it's about

533
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Speaker 5: how much you have to give up, how much of

534
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Speaker 5: a future commitment you have to make, and what you're

535
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Speaker 5: giving up to bring Zion Williamson in fantastic talent. Health

536
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 5: is always a question. But I don't think that they

537
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Speaker 5: move him this offseason. I think they wait to see

538
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Speaker 5: how this thing plays out a little bit next year.

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Speaker 3: All right, Ian, is there a player you think the

540
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Speaker 3: Knicks could open that war chest of draft picks up

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Speaker 3: for someone this summer.

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Speaker 5: I don't think there's a perfect fit, right So I

543
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Speaker 5: think it depends on who is who the player is, obviously,

544
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Speaker 5: but also maybe just as importantly, how little can you

545
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Speaker 5: send out to get that player Like Zach Levine.

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Speaker 1: All signs that I had heard where.

547
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Speaker 5: That the Bulls were going to keep it together, but

548
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 5: you're starting to hear differently a little bit. So I

549
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 5: don't know if there's back channel conversations going on, but

550
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Speaker 5: I think Zach Levine is a player that the Knicks

551
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Speaker 5: would be, you know, aggressive or to a certain degree.

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Speaker 1: Also, we talked about Carltown's right, We talked about Paul George.

553
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Speaker 5: Is there another player that's just a fantastic slam dunk fit.

554
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Speaker 1: I don't see that player. I don't see that obvious fit.

555
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Speaker 5: Where Donovan Mitchell last year you could say, yeah, based

556
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Speaker 5: on where the Knicks are, you know, beautiful fit, go

557
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Speaker 5: all in, get him here and figure the rest of

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Speaker 5: it out. I don't see that situation right now at

559
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 5: the moment, So maybe the Knicks basically run it back,

560
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Speaker 5: And I think if things go the way they want

561
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Speaker 5: them to and the way Dante DiVincenzo wants them to,

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Speaker 5: they find a way to come to an agreement in

563
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Speaker 5: free agency. So you're adding another Villanova guy, and then

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Speaker 5: it's about a trade that the Knicks would need to

565
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Speaker 5: make at that point because they don't they wouldn't have

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Speaker 5: an open rotation spot for Devincenzo, so you would need

567
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Speaker 5: to make a subsequent move to open up a role

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Speaker 5: for him. So I think that at the baseline is

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Speaker 5: what the Knick offseason is looking like. Sign a player

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Speaker 5: like Devincenzo that somewhere around that level, and then figure

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Speaker 5: out the subsequent move is that.

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Speaker 1: Big trade there, we'll see.

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Speaker 5: I just haven't heard strongly that somebody's ready to pull

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Speaker 5: the trigger on something to date.

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Speaker 3: Did Tibbs have a good relationship with Levine as opposed

576
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Speaker 3: to I know Towns was kind of rocky at times.

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Speaker 4: I don't remember one with Levine.

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Speaker 5: I know that Levine, you know, he felt that he

579
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Speaker 5: was a strong like a hard worker, hard workers. What

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Speaker 5: I want to say, because what I had heard was,

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Speaker 5: you know, Tibbs famously is in the gym all the time,

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Speaker 5: at all hours, and Zach Lavine would be in there too, young,

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Speaker 5: Zach Lavine just working in Minnesota, so I think that

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Speaker 5: they kind of connected over that.

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Speaker 1: I think Tom Thibdau.

586
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Speaker 5: Had a great respect for Zach Lavine over that, and

587
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Speaker 5: whenever he's talked about him since he's ascended here in Chicago,

588
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Speaker 5: Zach Lavine that is, he's been extremely complimentary. So again,

589
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Speaker 5: I think it's similar to Towns. If the Knicks are confident

590
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Speaker 5: that Levine coming here could take them to the next level,

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Speaker 5: Tom Thiberdeau would be all about it, regardless of whatever

592
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Speaker 5: history he might had with that player.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about Brunson, Levine, Randall, and Barrett as like

594
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Speaker 3: a big four.

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Speaker 4: That's pretty damn good.

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Speaker 3: I guess you'd have to give up, well, you might

597
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Speaker 3: have to give up Randall and some picks.

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Speaker 5: You probably either Randall or Barrett, I would think would

599
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 5: have to go, and then maybe a quickly or a topping,

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Speaker 5: and then you know, you figure the rest of.

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Speaker 1: It out from a dregs.

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Speaker 4: I'm okay getting off those two guys, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, the digital show go ahead?

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Speaker 5: Wait one more. As a Nick fan, where do you

605
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Speaker 5: want to see them do this offseason?

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Speaker 3: You know, honestly, I was all in on Carl Anthony

607
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Speaker 3: Towns and now you said Zack Lavine. I mean, I

608
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 3: don't know if you follow some of myself on the Herd,

609
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: I'm a zach Lavine guy. I feel like he's been misplaced.

610
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Speaker 3: Like listen, he looks like a one, puts up numbers

611
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 3: like a one.

612
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Speaker 4: But he's not a one. As a leader.

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Speaker 3: I think Brunson is like your alpha on that team,

614
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Speaker 3: and zach Lavine now is in a secondary role that's

615
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,280
Speaker 3: perfect for him. Oh my gosh, he becomes a catch

616
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Speaker 3: and shoot, guy, are you kidding me? I would make

617
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Speaker 3: a move for him. I do believe Levine could.

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Speaker 4: Be like the second best player on a title contender.

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Speaker 4: It's pretty evident he's not a one.

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Speaker 3: But then again, people didn't think Jimmy Butler could be

621
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Speaker 3: a one on a title contender.

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Speaker 4: Sixers moved off him, Timberwolves, Bulls right.

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Speaker 1: Right, right, that's a great point. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: It's gonna be interesting, not only in New York but

625
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 5: across the league to see how things shake out over

626
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:18,680
Speaker 5: the next couple of weeks.

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Speaker 4: Here very exciting time.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 3: Ian Begley again, the put back his digital show Nicks Nets.

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Speaker 4: The Association it's all deadly.

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Speaker 1: Thanks a lot Ian anytime. Jason