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Speaker 2: At Here we go. It's time for the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four Dallas Cowboys training camp here at the corner of
Speaker 2: Ventura and Vineyard in Oxnard, California. In Savannah, you got
Speaker 2: a huge smile on your face. You've been here for
Speaker 2: a long time. Mickey got in with the team earlier
Speaker 2: in the week, and we are set to tell you
Speaker 2: this is the pregame show for the as it turns out,
Speaker 2: for the State of the Cowboys Fresh Conference.
Speaker 3: You are right about that one.
Speaker 2: Mix Shots brought to you by Miller Life.
Speaker 4: And you could see Bill's a little tougher than us
Speaker 4: because he's got shorts leeves on at sixty three degrees?
Speaker 2: Is it sixty three? It doesn't feel like it. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's I thought, I'm still I'm still on Dallas.
Speaker 5: By what freeze is coming in the California cool air
Speaker 5: of the morning is just lovely.
Speaker 6: I don't know, you've hated it for a whole week.
Speaker 5: Right, eleven days, eleven days yes, this is day eleven
Speaker 5: for me.
Speaker 2: I got eleven days until I leave, and so not
Speaker 2: that I'm counting the days, but here it is. It's day.
Speaker 2: It's really and truly day number one of Cowboys camp
Speaker 2: because this is the first time the team is officially
Speaker 2: on the practice field and it's gonna, as it turns out,
Speaker 2: kick off with at twelve thirty Dallas time, ten to
Speaker 2: thirty Pacific time with Jerry and Stephen and Mike and
Speaker 2: the State of the Cowboys press conference that we always
Speaker 2: look at the big one.
Speaker 3: We're waiting for it.
Speaker 5: We have the pre game for that, as you said,
Speaker 5: but I'm excited to hear from coach and Jerry and
Speaker 5: just hear what they have to say for the opening
Speaker 5: of campus.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and we I mean, we know what the questions
Speaker 4: are going to be.
Speaker 6: Uh it'll pertain.
Speaker 4: To contracts and uh ceedee Lamb not being here and
Speaker 4: Dak Prescott and Michael Parsons and Mike McCarthy too. When
Speaker 4: we're talking about uh last year of contracts. And when
Speaker 4: I was writing the mix shots yesterday, I don't know
Speaker 4: why this occurred to me, but I mentioned that, you know,
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy is on the last year of his contract,
Speaker 4: and I wonder if a head coach has ever held
Speaker 4: out a training camp.
Speaker 3: A good one looking for extension.
Speaker 4: No, I'm not coaching. I want an extension right, just
Speaker 4: the way the players do. So uh yeah, it'll be interesting.
Speaker 4: Uh you know, those will be the questions those guys
Speaker 4: will have to answer. I'm sure somebody will asked Jerry
Speaker 4: about the delay. This was supposed to be yesterday. I
Speaker 4: got pushed back today because of his schedule. But I
Speaker 4: did notice that the Joneses showed up here at twelve
Speaker 4: thirty in the afternoon yesterday, and so reporting for the
Speaker 4: players was one pm, so they get fined.
Speaker 2: So the arrival for the Joneses was twelve thirty or
Speaker 2: two thirty Dallas, right, So they made it yesterday afternoon.
Speaker 4: Thirty minutes before they got fined for being late.
Speaker 2: And for us in the media, and it's basically, they
Speaker 2: have the same schedule every year when they come out here.
Speaker 2: They arrive on a Tuesday, and then the next day
Speaker 2: they have the big press conference and so for us
Speaker 2: in the media, that's what we cover that day. And
Speaker 2: then on the third day, which is Thursday, which is today,
Speaker 2: they have the practice. He focus starts focusing on football.
Speaker 2: We focus on what Jerry says on Wednesday, and so
Speaker 2: now we've got to cram what Jerry says on Thursday
Speaker 2: into the first practice and then we find out that
Speaker 2: Dak Prescott is also talking after practice. Yeah, we just
Speaker 2: take care of it. We just take care of everything.
Speaker 2: In one day.
Speaker 4: I was just talking to doctor Cooper and I said, yeah,
Speaker 4: we finally get something tangible. You know, we go through
Speaker 4: this whole off season and you have to come up
Speaker 4: with different things and you know, give me the top
Speaker 4: five of this or the top five of that, and
Speaker 4: now we finally get something tangible. But it's like a
Speaker 4: hurricane hits now. It's like we got enough stuff for
Speaker 4: three days with all the stuff you said Bill going on.
Speaker 6: But it's quite welcome.
Speaker 4: Let me tell you know what.
Speaker 2: I got my big blue notebook.
Speaker 3: I have a blue one too, that was appropriate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, how about that? And there's nothing in it
Speaker 2: right now. It's a blank sheet of paper ready for
Speaker 2: the press conference coming in.
Speaker 4: Yeah, here's my preparation. We half hours are this my notes?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 2: And the other thing. I want to pick both of
Speaker 2: your brains on this because I've I've been out of
Speaker 2: touch in the off season because of the playoff run
Speaker 2: of the Dallas Stars and the Dallas Mavericks. In fact,
Speaker 2: I was in Boston at the NBA Finals when the
Speaker 2: mini camp occurred, so I wasn't able to be there
Speaker 2: for that, And then, as it turned out, when the
Speaker 2: availabilities dre at OTAs, I was busy doing basketball and
Speaker 2: hockey stuff. And so I'm coming into this with a
Speaker 2: clean slate in my own mind about what this training
Speaker 2: camp is going to be.
Speaker 4: Like, you know what, and I think we all are
Speaker 4: built because as we know, the OTAs and the mini
Speaker 4: camp and for all impracticable purposes, the first four practices
Speaker 4: is like flag football. It's you know, the pads don't
Speaker 4: come on till next Tuesday. So the thing we could
Speaker 4: see is how they were lining people up, where they
Speaker 4: were putting some guys, what teams they were on, and
Speaker 4: what opportunities they were given some guys to maybe upgrade
Speaker 4: their snaps heading towards the season. And you know, a
Speaker 4: couple of things I think we noticed during that time,
Speaker 4: at least I did, is that it sounds like they
Speaker 4: were going to give Cavante Turpin a real opportunity to
Speaker 4: play wide receiver. I need to a real opportunity to
Speaker 4: get him the ball either on end rounds or in
Speaker 4: the backfield as a running back. The fact that they
Speaker 4: started lining up Deuce Vaughan a little bit more in
Speaker 4: the slot in some of the formations, or starting as
Speaker 4: a running back and then motioning into the slot as
Speaker 4: a receiver.
Speaker 6: Things like that.
Speaker 4: I think they think a lot of Marshan Needlin as
Speaker 4: a defensive end and we're giving him until he suffered
Speaker 4: a minor injury, he was getting some first team snaps
Speaker 4: at right defensive end.
Speaker 2: And he of course the second round draft pick, Marsha.
Speaker 4: Right and the weird thing that happened to him, and
Speaker 4: I can't remember if it was. I think it ended
Speaker 4: up being in the rookie mini camp where they were
Speaker 4: there was no contact or whatever, but they had a
Speaker 4: he had an unfortunate circumstance. He got hit in the
Speaker 4: nose and he had to have his nose straightened out right,
Speaker 4: and so he ended up being taken out of any
Speaker 4: drill that they didn't have a helmet on.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it was like the weirdest thing.
Speaker 4: He was almost embarrassed when he was telling me about it,
Speaker 4: and he goes, yeah, no big deal, no big deal.
Speaker 4: But I think this kid's got something and they really
Speaker 4: need for him to have something going forward.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 2: You know what tells me that they think highly of
Speaker 2: Marshawn Neelan The number he's wearing. It. You give a
Speaker 2: player the number ninety four, and that's a pretty special number.
Speaker 2: You were right about that, Savannah. What is it as
Speaker 2: we start this training camp that you're most interested in
Speaker 2: watching on the practice field.
Speaker 5: I feel like we have so many training camp battles
Speaker 5: this year at different positions. I'll touch on a few
Speaker 5: wide receiver you're looking for that number three slot there,
Speaker 5: Jalen Tolbert Brooks, Cavante Turpin getting some opportunities, and I
Speaker 5: will say, not having CD Lamb at this moment who
Speaker 5: is not reported to training camp, it gives some of
Speaker 5: these guys that are younger some opportunities to get more
Speaker 5: reps in and so that's where some of these battles
Speaker 5: start to take place. And I know that wide receiver
Speaker 5: one is top of mind. Tight end that's another one.
Speaker 5: I'm looking at Peyton.
Speaker 3: Hendershot and then Luke scoon Maker.
Speaker 5: We obviously have Jake Ferguson who I believe in his
Speaker 5: third year is going to.
Speaker 3: Do immense things.
Speaker 5: However, you still have to have these guys kind of
Speaker 5: fighting for whatever that second opportunity looks like at the
Speaker 5: tight end position, so Hendershot, Schoonmaker, you know, kind of
Speaker 5: up in the air there, and then I'm looking at
Speaker 5: the center position as well.
Speaker 3: That's a big one.
Speaker 5: Brock Hoffman, obviously, I would say, is a little bit
Speaker 5: more experience, but you have Cooper Beebe that you put
Speaker 5: in there, and then you have some other guys on
Speaker 5: the offensive line that are kind of looking to solidify
Speaker 5: their position. So I'm more excited to see the battles
Speaker 5: because I feel like this is the year where there's
Speaker 5: more of them than any other year.
Speaker 4: There's more opportunities for younger guys to step up.
Speaker 2: And you know why. You know why there's more opportunities.
Speaker 4: Because they had eleven guys leaving.
Speaker 2: Free A and they basically only sign right two that
Speaker 2: are potential starters and Zeke Elliott and Eric Kendrick exactly.
Speaker 2: I mean Royce Freeman was another one they signed. But
Speaker 2: and that is that is something that is highly unusual,
Speaker 2: and yet that says a lot about how they feel
Speaker 2: about some of the young guys on this roster. And
Speaker 2: you know, I look at I kind of liken this
Speaker 2: to the Cowboys first preseason opponent, the Los Angeles Rams
Speaker 2: last year. And I remember at this time a year ago,
Speaker 2: the Rams said, because they were salary caps and have
Speaker 2: had a problem in this with a salary cap.
Speaker 4: They were all in the year before.
Speaker 2: And they had so many players on their roster that
Speaker 2: and I study it pretty intently, but there were a
Speaker 2: lot of no name guys on their roster, and they
Speaker 2: built through the draft and they wind up making the
Speaker 2: playoffs last year. It was an unbelievable job, not only
Speaker 2: as far as they had coaches concerned, but their personnel
Speaker 2: department and putting guys in position. Of course, they had
Speaker 2: and now they've had Aaron Donald retire in the meantime,
Speaker 2: but they had Aaron Donald was that when he signed
Speaker 2: his contract the highest paid defensive player in the league.
Speaker 2: They are spending a lot of money on Matthew Stafford
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup also, and so it's kind of the same
Speaker 2: situation the Cowboys find themselves in this year. And so
Speaker 2: now this is going to be a real test of
Speaker 2: the scouting department and what the work that they've done
Speaker 2: in finding these players that a lot of people haven't
Speaker 2: maybe haven't heard of, that are going to emerge here.
Speaker 2: And that's why we're having more training camp battles this
Speaker 2: year because in most years, all you have to do
Speaker 2: is follow the money and you know exactly who's going
Speaker 2: to make the team, and you can probably as training
Speaker 2: camp starts, figure out forty eight of the fifty three
Speaker 2: players on the roster, barring injury, who are going to
Speaker 2: make the team. And this year it's more up in
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's not just lip service. When Mike McCarthy, well,
Speaker 4: we'll say our improvement has to be from within. It's
Speaker 4: like people ask me, well, how did this team improve,
Speaker 4: It's like, well, that's we're going to training camp and
Speaker 4: find out.
Speaker 2: And part of it is doing what you suggested with
Speaker 2: Cavante Turpin and you've got a guy who is multi
Speaker 2: talented and he can do more for this football team
Speaker 2: than just return kicks, you know.
Speaker 4: And Savannah brought up the tight end position. And there's
Speaker 4: two young guys that I think are going to track
Speaker 4: people's attention.
Speaker 6: We forget John Stevens.
Speaker 4: Last year, the undrafted rookie free agent was gonna make
Speaker 4: this team until he tore his ACL and so now
Speaker 4: he's back and he and Demarvian Overshown along with David Durden,
Speaker 4: three young guys last year that had a shot of
Speaker 4: making this team and actually playing, all tore their acls
Speaker 4: and spent their rookie season rehabbing. And there's another guy.
Speaker 4: And I saw him yesterday when I was going by
Speaker 4: our last yesterday evening, going by the locker room, and
Speaker 4: I looked at him and I was like, who is
Speaker 4: that guy?
Speaker 2: Tall?
Speaker 4: You know, well structured, And it was the rookie, undrafted
Speaker 4: rookie tight end, Brevin spawn Ford. And he's attracted some
Speaker 4: attention from this team.
Speaker 3: Because of his height. Yeah, he's he has the height.
Speaker 6: What is he?
Speaker 4: He's like, Uh, I think he's six six six to
Speaker 4: sixty right, twenty four years old, so this is not
Speaker 4: just a young kid, right and uh.
Speaker 2: By the way, if you're watching video highlights whatever camp,
Speaker 2: he wears number forty seven. So they're very good. When
Speaker 2: one thing, one thing I think we should do at
Speaker 2: training camp because of all the new players, is when
Speaker 2: we talk about him, we'll mention the number two in
Speaker 2: that way. Yeah, when you just see some something on
Speaker 2: social media or whatever of a player. Oh, that's that's.
Speaker 4: Can't tell the team without scorecards, right, that's right.
Speaker 3: I got the numbers here, guys.
Speaker 4: You just let me know who we need. So so, yeah,
Speaker 4: there's there's young guys like that that you know, have
Speaker 4: an opportunity. There's young guys like them Marve and Overshown
Speaker 4: that they need to step up.
Speaker 2: And that's the guy that I really want to see this.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, And he was making a huge impression last year
Speaker 4: and they had all these plans for him and what
Speaker 4: was it, a week or so into training camp and
Speaker 4: he tears his acl so, which, by the way, today
Speaker 4: will be the day they have to put guys on
Speaker 4: physically unable to perform. I was told at that last
Speaker 4: mini camp that the plan was to start with Trayvon
Speaker 4: Diggs on pump And it wasn't because he was behind
Speaker 4: or anything. They just felt like his time could be
Speaker 4: better spent continuing to rehab than to get out there
Speaker 4: and start playing football and then you have less time
Speaker 4: to rehab. So they're probably going to start him off there,
Speaker 4: That's what I'm expecting. But it had nothing to do
Speaker 4: with him not being ready for the start of the season.
Speaker 4: It was all kind of the plan on how to
Speaker 4: bring him along. But the other three guys, I think
Speaker 4: they're ready to go.
Speaker 6: The ACL guys.
Speaker 4: The interesting one will be Mozzi Smith to see if
Speaker 4: he's ready. He spent the entire offseason rehabbing from the
Speaker 4: shoulder surgery, trying to get in better shape, so we'll
Speaker 4: see exactly where he is when this starts. Harold Nash,
Speaker 4: the strength and conditioning coordinator, that was kind of his
Speaker 4: pet project in the off season. He was one on
Speaker 4: one rehabbing Mazzy Smith, and they really need him to
Speaker 4: step up because the depth at that nose tackle position
Speaker 4: is very thin and you don't want thin stuff at
Speaker 4: the nose tackle.
Speaker 6: Now, that's right.
Speaker 2: And the three ACLS that you're talking about are number
Speaker 2: thirteen to marve On Overshown, Number eighty one John Stevens,
Speaker 2: and number eighty five David Dirty and Stevens.
Speaker 4: I mean, when you come out of college like that,
Speaker 4: and remember his days at TCU. He was a wide
Speaker 4: receiver and still was a wide receiver at Louisiana until
Speaker 4: the Cowboys kind of looked at him and said, this
Speaker 4: guy could be a tight end and you spend a year,
Speaker 4: not only rehabbing, but in the weight room. He looks
Speaker 4: the part now of a tight end. Not that he
Speaker 4: put on a ton of weight, but just the body
Speaker 4: structure looks like an NFL player.
Speaker 5: Mickey told me earlier this offseason. It was during Mini camp.
Speaker 5: I believe, he said, I'm going to be an expert
Speaker 5: on all these guys doing rehab by the time training
Speaker 5: camp comes, and I think that has been accomplished if
Speaker 5: you ask me.
Speaker 4: Well, you just see those guys working out there all
Speaker 4: the time and exactly you know, with Britt Brown and
Speaker 4: then Harold Nash and and you kind of see how
Speaker 4: devoted they are to get back, you know, you first time,
Speaker 4: I think all three of them suffered an injury and
Speaker 4: you're left out and all you can do is rehab,
Speaker 4: and I think these guys did it full steam ahead.
Speaker 2: You know. It's interesting because the just the setup at
Speaker 2: the Star in Frisco, you're able to just at your
Speaker 2: office desk be able to look out and see some
Speaker 2: things that are going on on the practice field, like
Speaker 2: during the off season the rehab guys. One of the
Speaker 2: things last night that was very interesting right out here
Speaker 2: we were doing our live shot at for the ten
Speaker 2: o'clock newscast last night. So the sun was just setting
Speaker 2: and it was basically out here the sun goes down
Speaker 2: to run around eight o'clock, and so by the time
Speaker 2: we hit our sports cast time at eight twenty, out
Speaker 2: on the field, there were four players out here that
Speaker 2: were just going that one of them had like his
Speaker 2: cell phone, and I didn't even I didn't recognize the players.
Speaker 2: I assume they were playing.
Speaker 4: I didn't have their numbers out they were They weren't.
Speaker 2: You know, equipment staff guys or you know, but they
Speaker 2: were out there and they were they were doing a
Speaker 2: little skull session on their own, just going running through plays.
Speaker 2: It was like wide receivers and a tight end and
Speaker 2: probably rookies on the roster and one I'm at his
Speaker 2: cell phone. He was calling out the plays and they
Speaker 2: would line up and then go through the motions of
Speaker 2: the It was really interesting to see. I would love
Speaker 2: to find out who the players were because it really
Speaker 2: shows work ethic, you know, and an attention to detail.
Speaker 2: And I want to not to get screamed at in
Speaker 2: practice today.
Speaker 3: Let's we'll see if we can.
Speaker 4: Find out who it was. Well, you know, that was
Speaker 4: one of the things that caught my eye or ear
Speaker 4: whatever of Cooper BBI when he came in for the
Speaker 4: rookie mini camp and they put the players up at
Speaker 4: the Omni right next door, and found out that so
Speaker 4: he's making a transition from guard to center, and he
Speaker 4: really hadn't played any center practice a little bit, but
Speaker 4: so he asked to one of the transitions is not
Speaker 4: only switching position, but switching into position you got to
Speaker 4: snap the ball, right, So talking to him, he pointed
Speaker 4: out that he goes, yeah, he goes, I carry a
Speaker 4: football round with me and we went into the ballroom
Speaker 4: and I got anybody that would catch for me.
Speaker 6: I was snapping.
Speaker 4: So at night in the ballroom, he was snapping deep
Speaker 4: snaps to try to get used to snap in the football.
Speaker 4: And I'm going, okay, I like this kid. I like
Speaker 4: him even more now that the effort in his downtime.
Speaker 5: And then to even add on to that, when he
Speaker 5: was drafted, he would go out into his backyard with
Speaker 5: his dad and his brother, yes and practice some snaps
Speaker 5: with them.
Speaker 3: So that's some dedication, yeah, if you ask me.
Speaker 4: And that's why I think the kid has a chance.
Speaker 4: But as Savannah pointed out, it'll be a pretty good
Speaker 4: competition between Brock Kaufman and Bbie at the center position.
Speaker 5: So I want to dive into our first round draft pick,
Speaker 5: Tyler Geiton out of Oklahoma.
Speaker 3: Where are your guys' thoughts on where he is at?
Speaker 5: He was one of those guys that came in two
Speaker 5: days after he was drafted, came down to Dallas and
Speaker 5: already started putting in a little bit of work. He
Speaker 5: has that drive, he has that motivation. What are your
Speaker 5: expectations for him out here at training?
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Speaker 5: All Right, you guys, I brought up the question Tyler
Speaker 5: Geiton before we went to break. Now I want to
Speaker 5: hear from both of you on your expectations from the
Speaker 5: Cowboys first round draft pick. He came in a couple
Speaker 5: days after he was drafted, already started putting some work
Speaker 5: and in Frisco, where are.
Speaker 3: You guys at with Tyler and what do you want
Speaker 3: to see out of him here at training camp?
Speaker 4: Well, I want to see how quickly he's able to
Speaker 4: transition number one from right tackle to left tackle. And
Speaker 4: generally what the Cowboys do with maybe a first round
Speaker 4: pick like that, they just don't hand them the starting job.
Speaker 6: They make them earn it.
Speaker 4: So if we look at what took place in OTAs
Speaker 4: in a mini camp Chuma Dooga, they give deference to
Speaker 4: the veteran guy. He was working with the first team.
Speaker 4: Geyiton was working with the second team. I'll be interested
Speaker 4: to see how long that lasts, because I think as
Speaker 4: soon as he shows that he understands what's going on,
Speaker 4: he's capable that he moves to the first team at
Speaker 4: left tackle, and they really need him to step up.
Speaker 4: Nothing against Tuma, but I think at this point in
Speaker 4: his career he's a backup swing tackle, and I don't
Speaker 4: know that you want him out there sixty snaps a game,
Speaker 4: five games in a row if you can help them.
Speaker 2: Sounds like you're giving him a second chance here because
Speaker 2: that Ta Tuma.
Speaker 6: No, I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Those are more positive comments about Tuma than what I've heard.
Speaker 4: That he's a backup swing tackle.
Speaker 2: You've got him a spot now, Well, you're you're you're
Speaker 2: actually do have a clean slate on that legal pad.
Speaker 6: You're gonna give.
Speaker 4: Him you know who the who, the who, the opponent
Speaker 4: or the competition you wait for the backup job.
Speaker 2: Let's let's monitor this as we go along here, and
Speaker 2: when Micah lines up on Schuma and see what Mickey's
Speaker 2: reaction is the next day.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll tell you why he's the backup swing tackle.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 4: That's sort of like backup quarterbacks. You know, you don't
Speaker 4: find out about usually about backup quarterbacks until they have
Speaker 4: to play. They're really good as a backup, and then
Speaker 4: you go out there and play and it's like, oh,
Speaker 4: so that's why he's not a starter. But I want
Speaker 4: to see Guyton take over that spot. And they really,
Speaker 4: I think they really really need him to step up
Speaker 4: and be ready to go. Now Bill's seen him play
Speaker 4: more than I have.
Speaker 2: H he looks like, so you can turn the tables
Speaker 2: on me.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 2: But I'm giving him a clean slate to start off,
Speaker 2: and and that's you know, he's obviously one of the
Speaker 2: main guys we need to focus on and see where
Speaker 2: he is in his development because it's not it's not
Speaker 2: only I think switching from right tackle to left tackle,
Speaker 2: and he did play a little bit of left tackle
Speaker 2: in college, but it is primarily at right tackle. And
Speaker 2: the school of thought was that, well, we're playing him
Speaker 2: at right tackle because Oklahoma had a left handed quarterback
Speaker 2: and Dylan Gabriel, so he's protecting his blindside. But it's
Speaker 2: still this different technique switching from right tackle to left tackle.
Speaker 6: And but the.
Speaker 2: Biggest thing on him is he's still so young and
Speaker 2: he he that's what in terms of his football playing experience.
Speaker 2: Late Bloomer played on the defensive side in at Manor,
Speaker 2: Texas outside Austin coming out of high school, then goes
Speaker 2: to TCU and didn't have it was still a developmental thing.
Speaker 2: He was one of those guys that Gary Patterson made
Speaker 2: a living off of and his coaching staff of getting
Speaker 2: guys with potential that can develop it into take a
Speaker 2: defensive player who can turn into an offensive tackle or
Speaker 2: whatever and so. And then he got the opportunity at
Speaker 2: Oklahoma and one of the best offensive line coaches in
Speaker 2: the college football and Bill Beatnbow who has produced a
Speaker 2: number of NFL offensive linemen, and so the track record
Speaker 2: has been pretty good there. And when you've got that
Speaker 2: to go off of, comparing him to pass guys coming
Speaker 2: out of that program, then that sets the bar a
Speaker 2: little bit higher for him, and it needs to be
Speaker 2: high since he's a first round draft pick.
Speaker 4: And you know, we can say we see what he
Speaker 4: did in these off season workouts, but until the pads
Speaker 4: come on, you don't know about offensive linemen. And that's
Speaker 4: the downside of being an offensive lineman in the NFL
Speaker 4: these days. You just don't get enough pad work to
Speaker 4: develop as quickly as you'd like to. And if you
Speaker 4: think about it, you know, the Cowboys in the nineties
Speaker 4: made a living out of developing guys that got kind
Speaker 4: of pushed to the side.
Speaker 2: Right, and.
Speaker 6: Take Nate Newton, who, by the way, is here.
Speaker 2: He made it. He made the long drove it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did it in two days and put his motorcycle
Speaker 4: in the back of the truck. Oh. Really, brought his
Speaker 4: motorcycle along too.
Speaker 3: He's going to ride down the coast one oh one.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think he's already did a ride yesterday. Yeah, so,
Speaker 4: big old Nate's here and we just were at breakfast
Speaker 4: together this morning.
Speaker 6: But he did it in two days.
Speaker 2: All right, very good.
Speaker 4: But again, he's a guy that was an undrafted rookie
Speaker 4: by the Washington Redskins. If you can believe this forty
Speaker 4: one years ago.
Speaker 6: Wow, and it was the Redskins.
Speaker 2: Well, how about thee how about the guy who wound
Speaker 2: up being the left tackle on those Super Bowl teams
Speaker 2: for the Cowboys, Mark two and a who was a
Speaker 2: defensive lineman before switching to offense as well. Now, but
Speaker 2: but they had time to develop those guys exactly now.
Speaker 2: The time to develop a Tyler Geydon.
Speaker 6: Is now right now.
Speaker 2: I don't now we see where the where they line up,
Speaker 2: you know, when the ones come out, when the twos
Speaker 2: come out, whatever, I don't There will probably be overreaction
Speaker 2: to it if he doesn't go out there with the
Speaker 2: first team. Okay, right, but I don't think we should
Speaker 2: be alarmed by that. It's it's a process. And just
Speaker 2: because the day one of training camp he's not lining
Speaker 2: up with the first team and I don't know how
Speaker 2: they'll line up, But just because he's not doesn't mean
Speaker 2: that he's not going to be there at the beginning
Speaker 2: of the season. Or it may be on a month
Speaker 2: end of the season.
Speaker 5: It could be a slow build up, And as Mickey said,
Speaker 5: we don't start in pads until next Tuesday's practice, and
Speaker 5: that's when the real work starts setting in. I mean,
Speaker 5: you can come out here on the field, you're walking
Speaker 5: through some of those plays, trying to get familiar with
Speaker 5: where you're lining up and who you're working around. So
Speaker 5: Tuesday will be a little bit more of a tell
Speaker 5: all if you have.
Speaker 4: Right, No, absolutely, And for those guys that get in
Speaker 4: the work, they need to get in. You got to hit.
Speaker 4: It's the same thing with the running backs. What do
Speaker 4: you know about the running backs? Well, until they get tackled.
Speaker 4: You don't know anything about them. Same thing with wide receivers.
Speaker 4: Not that they tackle wide receivers when they're in team,
Speaker 4: but you got the chance of getting hit. Are you
Speaker 4: catching the ball over the middle or you got you know,
Speaker 4: alligator arms. So the pads have to come on. And
Speaker 4: I think the league has done these players of disservice
Speaker 4: by limiting how much contact they have during training camp.
Speaker 5: And I will bring up the fact that on August
Speaker 5: eighth is our first scrimmage against the Los Angeles Rams,
Speaker 5: who will be coming up here. Now I want to
Speaker 5: hear your guys' opinions on that. Now, that's where some
Speaker 5: contact starts to come into play. And you're playing another
Speaker 5: team that you're you know, players on a different side
Speaker 5: that you're not familiar with, and so you're getting that
Speaker 5: rep and you're that contact.
Speaker 3: How do you feel about that.
Speaker 5: We haven't had a couple years since we've had a
Speaker 5: team come out here at a scrimmage.
Speaker 4: And there was a good reason why because there was
Speaker 4: too much contact on the sideline that year.
Speaker 6: Then there was on the field.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's what you need. You know, you only
Speaker 4: have three preseason games now and these guys. The preseason
Speaker 4: games this year for the Cowboys are gonna be ultimately
Speaker 4: important because you've got so many young guys that got
Speaker 4: to show, hey, I can play football, and you don't
Speaker 4: find that out until it's all out contact. And my
Speaker 4: reference was to the Rams here when we had a
Speaker 4: melee out here at practice that one year when the
Speaker 4: fight broke out on the far field over there. And
Speaker 4: the funny thing about it, the Cowboys offense was at
Speaker 4: the one yard line going in and they lined up
Speaker 4: and Romo's under center, and the fight broke out, and
Speaker 4: everybody on the Rams ran over there except one player.
Speaker 4: It was their linebacker, veteran linebacker, and Romo snapped the
Speaker 4: ball and they handed.
Speaker 2: Off and scored a touchdown.
Speaker 4: Nobody on the other side of the field. Everybody ran
Speaker 4: over to where the melee was going.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you're talking about practicing with the Rams, which
Speaker 2: is two weeks from today on Thursday, August eighth, and
Speaker 2: then that's the first preseason game. Is a by the way,
Speaker 2: a Sunday afternoon game, a three to twenty five kickoff.
Speaker 2: It's like they're mimicking a regular season and time slot.
Speaker 2: Okay at the Rams, but just think about how much
Speaker 2: more are we going to know about this team two
Speaker 2: weeks from now than what we do right now?
Speaker 9: A lot.
Speaker 3: I feel like we're going to know a lot more.
Speaker 5: We're going to see where guys are starting to be
Speaker 5: lined up, and you know, like I said, once they
Speaker 5: get into pads, it starts to develop.
Speaker 3: But you have to almost prepare for that scrimmage.
Speaker 5: You have to know what you're doing and what guys
Speaker 5: you're going to put into different positions. And I think
Speaker 5: that's where you're going to see a little bit more
Speaker 5: of where they're solidifying some positions.
Speaker 4: So Bill, when you're in these preseason games, better take
Speaker 4: it seriously because these things are very important to the
Speaker 4: growth of this football.
Speaker 6: Well, this is.
Speaker 3: Taking it seriously, like, oh, it's just preseason.
Speaker 2: Hey, these are this is my time. This is the
Speaker 2: twenty first year I've done preseason, is it really? Yeah?
Speaker 2: The first year was Bill Parcells first year two thousand
Speaker 2: and three, maybe twenty two years actually yeah, twenty three,
Speaker 2: twenty second year, and that was Tony Romo and Jason
Speaker 2: Witten's first game or first season with the Cowboys or
Speaker 2: rookie year, and uh, the first preseason game and Mickey
Speaker 2: you were in the booth for it too with Babel
Speaker 2: Loffenberg and me. It was at the Arizona Cardinals. And
Speaker 2: who was playing running back? Well, he may not have
Speaker 2: played in that game, but who is the running back
Speaker 2: for the Arizona Cardinals two thousand three, two thousand and three,
Speaker 2: rather well known name em Smith? Emmitt Smith.
Speaker 6: That was his first year.
Speaker 2: About that, Yeah, so.
Speaker 6: That's a good one.
Speaker 2: But the thing about the Rams practice is the coaches
Speaker 2: will look at that as far as, yes, applying it
Speaker 2: to the regular season, that practice will be more important
Speaker 2: than the preseason game against the Rams on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 4: Well probably because you you get repeated snaps, you get,
Speaker 4: you get work that you need, you know, because they
Speaker 4: basically usually run it like a regular practice.
Speaker 2: You keep in mind also there's a different different head
Speaker 2: coach with the Rams than what have come here in
Speaker 2: the past where there have been incidents and now it's
Speaker 2: Sean McVay. He may not even play starters at that.
Speaker 4: But you know what, that that practice and that preseason game,
Speaker 4: it's going to be really important to Trey Lance because
Speaker 4: he's going to get opportunity.
Speaker 2: Oh we've gone five minutes yet, thirty five minutes. I
Speaker 2: was just waiting. I was not gonna mention Trey Lance.
Speaker 2: I was going to wait until he just came up
Speaker 2: in conversation.
Speaker 3: Shall we dive in now thirty five minutes?
Speaker 4: Is that a tease for our final segment?
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Speaker 4: Which here's the Star Magazine training camp preview that we
Speaker 4: talked about coming out of the previous break and everything's
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Speaker 4: overview of the team going into training camp and it's
Speaker 4: really good too.
Speaker 2: By the way, I wonder who wrote it.
Speaker 4: You'll have to get a magazine to find out.
Speaker 2: They got figured it out already. Trey Lance, Yes, okay.
Speaker 2: When Savannah posed the question to start the show, what
Speaker 2: are you most looking forward to? And I was on
Speaker 2: my mind was Trey Lance, but I wanted to save
Speaker 2: him for a little bit. Okay, but I am really
Speaker 2: interested to see not only Trey Lance on the practice field,
Speaker 2: but Trey Lance in these preseason games.
Speaker 4: And not only you, but the team because they just
Speaker 4: don't know. I mean, he didn't play but eight games
Speaker 4: during his time in San Francisco. I think he only
Speaker 4: started maybe four two in each season, and he hasn't
Speaker 4: played much football, didn't play much football North Dakota's State.
Speaker 2: North Dakosta State, yes.
Speaker 4: Only playing that one year there, and so when they
Speaker 4: got him, they basically looked at it as a red
Speaker 4: shirt year and said, Okay, you're going to basically be
Speaker 4: in quarterback school for the entire season. We're going to
Speaker 4: work on your technique, your steps, your arm slots. And
Speaker 4: that's what he did.
Speaker 2: And a lot of that had to do with when
Speaker 2: they got him. They got him at the end of
Speaker 2: the preseason, right before the regular seasons, actually the only
Speaker 2: way you could.
Speaker 4: So there wasn't really an opportunity to get him much work.
Speaker 4: So he would get snaps maybe with the scout team.
Speaker 4: A couple times he got snaps with the scout team
Speaker 4: trying to be Jalen Hurts or a mobile quarterback.
Speaker 6: That they were going to go up against.
Speaker 4: I think he he did a little Jordan Love too
Speaker 4: when they're getting ready for the playoff game. But he
Speaker 4: never really got a bunch of snaps with the first
Speaker 4: team offense. We're going to see that out here, and
Speaker 4: I think you're going to see him start at least
Speaker 4: those first two preseason games.
Speaker 5: I think you also have to look at this position
Speaker 5: quarterback with Cooper Rush and Trey Lance, that's it's a battle,
Speaker 5: and Trey Lance has all the opportunity to prove that
Speaker 5: he is the one to step up. I mean, we've
Speaker 5: seen Cooper Rush and what he can do in the
Speaker 5: past for us, especially when Dak was injured. But Trey Lance,
Speaker 5: this is his time to shine. And so I'm interested
Speaker 5: to kind of chat with him while we're here out
Speaker 5: at camp and see where his mindset is at. Because
Speaker 5: you know, you have a lot of time where you're
Speaker 5: sitting on this roster, you're essentially the third string and
Speaker 5: you're just kind of around.
Speaker 3: To get that first team reps.
Speaker 5: And to have the time to kind of develop with
Speaker 5: this group, I think is going to be really key,
Speaker 5: And where his confidence is at is also going to
Speaker 5: be very key.
Speaker 4: Well, it's going to be key, you guys, with where
Speaker 4: it goes in the future because he also, like all
Speaker 4: three quarterbacks, are on the final year of their contracts.
Speaker 4: He included, So the Cowboys have to decide at some point, Okay,
Speaker 4: we would like to keep him for as a backup
Speaker 4: quarterback of the future. Uh is he a potential starter
Speaker 4: down the line? Uh, They've got to find that out,
Speaker 4: and they got to find that out this training camp
Speaker 4: and this preseason.
Speaker 2: And you mentioned don't be surprised if he starts the
Speaker 2: first two preseason games. I'd be surprised if he doesn't
Speaker 2: start the third prem.
Speaker 4: That's true too, right, since you only have three And uh,
Speaker 4: you know what reminded me up last last night? We
Speaker 4: were in there shooting the bull and telling war stories
Speaker 4: from training camp, and I remember the year that Bruce
Speaker 4: Kslet was the offensive.
Speaker 2: Coordinator, Savan. I have a feeling, I have a feeling
Speaker 2: that for the last seventeen minutes of mixed shots, we
Speaker 2: might be telling old war stories here just.
Speaker 6: A warning.
Speaker 7: Year.
Speaker 3: What year are we talking about?
Speaker 4: So we got to be around two thousand and two maybe.
Speaker 2: Okay, yep, around there Bruce Coslet.
Speaker 4: And Kslet pointed out that in his history he liked
Speaker 4: to start the backup quarterback in the second game, so
Speaker 4: instead of Quincy Carter, I think they started Chad Hutchinson,
Speaker 4: if I remember correctly. And it caused a stir in
Speaker 4: the media because it's.
Speaker 2: Like a quarterback controversy.
Speaker 6: Yes, right, exactly.
Speaker 4: So I understood what was happening. And after practice we
Speaker 4: were in the Alamodome I walked off with him and
Speaker 4: Rob Phillips, I believe it was Rob Phillips.
Speaker 6: Was it Rob with us?
Speaker 8: At that time?
Speaker 4: One of my interns was with me, right and I
Speaker 4: had forgotten my little handheld tape recorders, so I told
Speaker 4: the intern turned this on and stay in there.
Speaker 6: And record this right.
Speaker 4: Well, Coslet, when I asked it started asking the question,
Speaker 4: he jumped a conclusion that I didn't know what he
Speaker 4: was doing, and he started yelling at me like like, uh,
Speaker 4: this is what I do and you know, and I
Speaker 4: was like, I know that, that's why I'm asking. Yeah, well,
Speaker 4: everybody's asking me. He's yelling and screaming, and whoever had
Speaker 4: the microphones started here And the next thing I know,
Speaker 4: he was he was like scared that I was gonna
Speaker 4: get punched or something.
Speaker 2: Wow, I've never heard that story.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, Kslet was he was something else? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Do you realize at one point they had Jack Riley
Speaker 4: and Bruce Coslett as their offensive coordinators.
Speaker 2: Explained for the younger generation who Jack Riley is.
Speaker 4: Well, he was a longtime assistant coach. That came to
Speaker 4: mind last night.
Speaker 2: Well, they talking to speaking about a quarterback controversies the
Speaker 2: younger generation. Savannah won't won't remember this because you weren't alive.
Speaker 2: But the quarterback controversies with the Cowboys go date back
Speaker 2: all the way to even when Roger Stabach was with
Speaker 2: Roger Staubach and Craig Morton went in, you had Dandy
Speaker 2: don N Yeah and uh. And then even when Staubach
Speaker 2: was there, you can get you didn't get Danny White,
Speaker 2: So you got Danny. Roger had won a Super Bowl
Speaker 2: by then, and so he had established himself as the starter.
Speaker 2: But then when Roger retires, and then you get into
Speaker 2: the eighties, we go and Danny White has success but
Speaker 2: doesn't get him too the Super Bowl, and so now
Speaker 2: you get Gary Hogan Boom. And one of the most
Speaker 2: famous Tom Landry press conferences was leading into the nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty four season and when he announced that Phil pos
Speaker 2: Derek would start at quarterback for the Cowboys in the
Speaker 2: season opener, and Phil Posdreck was, of course an offensive tackle,
Speaker 2: so there was another there was an offensive tackle controversy
Speaker 2: going on then, so instead it was Gary Hogan Bloom.
Speaker 3: The circle just keeps on.
Speaker 2: Just brought up Hogan Bloom as what Landry pronounced.
Speaker 4: It, and you just brought up another story to go back.
Speaker 6: I knew it.
Speaker 2: I was just hagging you on that day.
Speaker 4: Of that press conference was the day I came to
Speaker 4: Dallas to interview for my job at the Dallas Times
Speaker 4: Herald and the Sports Center. That comes up to me
Speaker 4: and apologizes. He says, you know what, We're gonna have
Speaker 4: to delay this for a couple hours.
Speaker 6: Sit tight.
Speaker 4: He goes, we just had a press conference and Tom
Speaker 4: Landry announced that Gary Hogeboom was going to be the
Speaker 4: starting quarterback. And our special edition, our football edition for
Speaker 4: the season, is coming out today and Danny White's on
Speaker 4: the cover.
Speaker 6: So we're going to have to make a change.
Speaker 4: And he goes, and the worst part it is, I
Speaker 4: can't find my guy that covers the Dallas Cowboys. Part
Speaker 4: of the job description that gave me was to be
Speaker 4: the backup guy covering the Dallas Cowboys. And I'm sitting
Speaker 4: there and I'm sitting there thinking, well, if I don't
Speaker 4: call this guy an SOB, I might get this job,
Speaker 4: because they need somebody to back up the Cowboys when
Speaker 4: you got a big story like this and you can't
Speaker 4: find your beat writer.
Speaker 2: So ines I didn't follow all of that but but
Speaker 2: in essence, Garry Hoganboom didn't last long as the starting quarterback,
Speaker 2: but Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 4: Has out last a long time.
Speaker 2: It was the starting quarterback. How's a rhyved at ox
Speaker 2: nud California.
Speaker 4: Nate knox Nard is.
Speaker 6: Here, then you know when he disappeared, I'll be here.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's right, So Nate will be joining this show.
Speaker 6: I'm here.
Speaker 2: So we're on Monday, Wednesday and Friday next week at
Speaker 2: ten am Central time, eight am on the West coast.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 2: And then the following week you have to put up
Speaker 2: with me next week and then the following week Nate
Speaker 2: will be here.
Speaker 4: I let Nate ghost spot let Nate hosts.
Speaker 3: We'll see about that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, that does it. I thought we were
Speaker 2: going to go a full hour, but we're just going
Speaker 2: here forty.
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