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Speaker 2: Speaking of offerings, I think that it's time. It's finally
Speaker 2: time for us to wait into the discourse that is
Speaker 2: the Tortured Poets Department.
Speaker 1: And it's finally time. And I'm promising, I'm swearing on
Speaker 1: my life, we're gonna be talking about the year twenty thirteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's happening. To get that out of the way. We're
Speaker 1: getting to we're not punting it, we're not kicking it
Speaker 1: down the road. It's gonna happen. Yeah, but we're gonna
Speaker 1: do what we do and talk about this new big
Speaker 1: album that came out. This is a stamming a run
Speaker 1: of a year for us. This has been music here,
Speaker 1: not since like what twenty ten, twenty eleven have the
Speaker 1: girlies been this prolific. I mean it's been overwhelming. And
Speaker 1: also it's not even like, for example, like with Tortured Poets.
Speaker 1: She long and so there's a lot of music on
Speaker 1: top of all the other new music.
Speaker 2: And also you have to remember I'm newly in Mi
Speaker 2: Lana era, right, so I have all these albums to
Speaker 2: get through. I have homework. I haven't felt like this
Speaker 2: since AP Environmental. Would you believe I got a bad
Speaker 2: score on AP Environmental? You don't like the Earth?
Speaker 1: Not a big fan because it's full of toxic trolls.
Speaker 1: They're living under the crust those trolls. Now we have
Speaker 1: to have to before we talk about Tortured Poets Department. Yeah,
Speaker 1: talk deeply about the best song of the year so far,
Speaker 1: and that is Espresso. And I want to say that
Speaker 1: last week I sort of popped off about Coachella and
Speaker 1: I said, like a lot of things, and I feel
Speaker 1: that I paid Sabrina a little tiny bit of dust
Speaker 1: because I kind of popped off about Chapel and then
Speaker 1: I went from Chapel over to Sabrina and Serena was
Speaker 1: just giving a different it's a different gear. It's not
Speaker 1: that anything was better or worse. It was just like
Speaker 1: it's a different show. She's in her cute little dresses
Speaker 1: singing in front of like a desert motel set, which
Speaker 1: I thought was really cute and inspired. But it was
Speaker 1: really cute. I mean the whole thing, like her entire
Speaker 1: aesthetic right now in the way that they're presenting the
Speaker 1: album and the new single, Like I think it's great.
Speaker 1: And she I didn't realize she had so many albums,
Speaker 1: but she had a lot of albums.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's been around, and it feels like they finally
Speaker 2: snapped into something really cool with her where she's she's
Speaker 2: this like cute little like nostalgia almost like beat Like
Speaker 2: what would you call those movies like Fello.
Speaker 1: A net Footicello. Well, I mean she literally was in
Speaker 1: a remake of Adventures and Babysitting, Yeah, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. Like she is like a kind of like
Speaker 1: child star that like I don't know, hasn't been really
Speaker 1: pinballed around the industry and like she kind of at
Speaker 1: this point has landed as like fun cool, chill, girly
Speaker 1: like Espresso is that. Espresso is that if you like
Speaker 1: watch her interview, she's just like funny girl. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: like her. Cool check and Sabrina, Sabrina, You're invited on
Speaker 1: the pod if you want to come, if you want
Speaker 1: to come here, you have a spot here. There is
Speaker 1: a place for you at the table. There is a
Speaker 1: place for you on last Culture and we want a
Speaker 1: webby okay, and you might get it's another one. It
Speaker 1: might be the funniest episode of the year. Our episode
Speaker 1: was Sabrina Carpenter. You might be the new Richard pryor
Speaker 1: Sabrina Carpenter if you come on this podcast. I see
Speaker 1: that for her.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you, like I'm listening to Espresso, I'm streaming.
Speaker 2: So that's what I'm saying is it's like there's so
Speaker 2: much that, but this is taking a song to.
Speaker 1: Pop out like that, and I love that. This is
Speaker 1: during the Torture Poet's discourse, we cannot stop talking about espresso.
Speaker 1: But I have to say that's the vibe. It is
Speaker 1: crack cocaine, an addictive drug that I made. Yeah, exactly
Speaker 1: episode when she does her little dance and I know
Speaker 1: you can do it, so show us that's stem me es.
Speaker 1: You do it, that's stem meestress and listen like you
Speaker 1: can't see us doing it, but just know we're doing
Speaker 1: it exactly right. Yeah, even better than Sabrina. Even better
Speaker 1: than Sabrina Sabrina.
Speaker 2: If you come to this podcast and you allow us
Speaker 2: to interview you, you can watch us do the choreo
Speaker 2: and then and then.
Speaker 1: Retire because no one's doing your dance moves better than us.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something, Well, shut it down. No,
Speaker 1: she's she's on her way. She's not not what am
Speaker 1: I saying? She's not on her way, she's she's a rye.
Speaker 2: No, but I think that she's continuing to like well,
Speaker 2: I think this last album because I did, I a
Speaker 2: bunch of her stuff. Album album is great. I love
Speaker 2: Tornado Warnings, I love Opposite.
Speaker 1: Opposite is so fun, already over, already over because I
Speaker 1: loved it. Boy. I mean, if you just listen to
Speaker 1: that album all the way through, so good, nonsense nonsense.
Speaker 1: I love Yeah so much. It's such a sweet song. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, also the way that she ends every live
Speaker 2: performance with like a different rhyme rhyme.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know. I just think she's fucking cute
Speaker 1: and great and more. And I guess Tortured Poets Department
Speaker 1: was made by I suppose her mother, her mom, her mom,
Speaker 1: Taylor Taylor's and she is the world's mom. Let's talk
Speaker 1: Tortured Poets Department. This is an album that I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna say up top, we will look back on and
Speaker 1: be like, damn, this is pretty fucking major. I think
Speaker 1: that what's happening right now is the discourse is out
Speaker 1: of fucking control and people are bending themselves into a
Speaker 1: pretzel trying to figure out what they want to like
Speaker 1: land on in a concrete way. And like, I think
Speaker 1: the fact that it was thirty one songs like made
Speaker 1: everyone so like frustrated and overwhelmed that that, like that
Speaker 1: was the headline, right, Because Yeah, here's the thing, this
Speaker 1: is my take. I'm just gonna get out of the way.
Speaker 1: She needed to get to thirty one, right, And I
Speaker 1: don't discount that as a reason as a motivating force,
Speaker 1: because so much of this album is her literally subverting,
Speaker 1: inverting all these things that we know about her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and like she's basically instead of breaking any new sonic ground,
Speaker 1: she is dipping back into I think you were the
Speaker 1: one to put this idea into my head, Like she's
Speaker 1: dipping back into all of her old styles and albums
Speaker 1: and approaches to songwriting. And she's kind of, as it were,
Speaker 1: putting like a Sepiatone filter on everything, which is kind
Speaker 1: of what she was doing on social media anyway, Like
Speaker 1: all of it was being like Cepiotone, right. It was
Speaker 1: like whatever photos were coming out of the tour in
Speaker 1: the post US legs were like, oh, this is like
Speaker 1: the treatment now for everything, And I think this is
Speaker 1: retroactively the treatment in a very clever clever seems like
Speaker 1: so like not the right word like savvy way where
Speaker 1: it's like when she was putting out those playlists and
Speaker 1: Apple music where it was like, oh, it's all the
Speaker 1: stages of grief. It's her like recontextualizing all her own music.
Speaker 1: I think that is a very intentional thing. Think that
Speaker 1: is a statement on the album itself, which is, yeah,
Speaker 1: everything you know about me, I'm looking back at retroactively redundant,
Speaker 1: but yes, you know what I mean, Like I'm retroactively
Speaker 1: considering this and the chapter is closed, We're moving on. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the fact that she came out
Speaker 2: and said this was a chapter in my life that's closed,
Speaker 2: we're moving on, like, is such an because I remember
Speaker 2: when the Aristotle was happening. I threw out there at
Speaker 2: one point, like I wonder how healthy it is to
Speaker 2: be doing this and also have the entire world's attention.
Speaker 2: And some people were like, oh, like she's speculate. I'm like,
Speaker 2: how healthy it is? Blah blah blah, Like you know that.
Speaker 1: But I also think that she's sort of answered that
Speaker 1: question here, which is it was not the healthiest time
Speaker 1: of her life doing this, like she had this relationship
Speaker 1: and and whatever about the personal aspects of it all,
Speaker 1: because I'm I think we're putting the car before the
Speaker 1: horse a lot with her, because if you just make
Speaker 1: it about the music, it's a way simpler conversation. There
Speaker 1: are so many fucking incredible songs on this, and I
Speaker 1: really think people would do themselves a favor if they
Speaker 1: started listening to her music as if they're the protagonist
Speaker 1: of the songs and not she is the protagonist, or
Speaker 1: by the same token, the antagonist of these songs like
Speaker 1: take Taylor Swift out of it and just experience the
Speaker 1: song just a big ass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not as easy as it is said to
Speaker 2: accomplish because I think that she obviously looms so large.
Speaker 2: But what I'm I guess pulling is that, like, this
Speaker 2: album is a collection of songs that she wrote during
Speaker 2: one of the most intense periods of her life, and
Speaker 2: so yes, it is a little bit messy.
Speaker 1: Yes, it is like big. It's also like lyrically.
Speaker 2: People saying that she's not experimenting here, she's like way
Speaker 2: more frank, she curses a lot more, she's like talking
Speaker 2: about like it's just like a rougher, dirtier, like more
Speaker 2: textured lyric throughout. Then I think she's given so to
Speaker 2: say there's no experimentation here, I don't think is totally correct.
Speaker 2: I get that it feels like a lot of these
Speaker 2: sounds we've heard before, but if you really listen to
Speaker 2: this album, I think what she gave is like nineties
Speaker 2: VH one country rock, girly, and that is kind of
Speaker 2: what I wanted. Yeah, it's just there is so much music,
Speaker 2: so it's hard to get through it all just physically,
Speaker 2: and I think that's informing some of the takes, like Oh,
Speaker 2: I'm throwing my hands up in there because I'm already
Speaker 2: overwhelmed this too much. But once you really fucking listen,
Speaker 2: there's a ton of great.
Speaker 1: Fucking shit here. It is that genre and I love
Speaker 1: that for her. Yes, I agree with all of what
Speaker 1: you're saying. What I did last night was, if you
Speaker 1: have an Apple Music subscription, put it on the TV,
Speaker 1: have the lyrics next to you. Yes. Yes, it's such
Speaker 1: an interesting experience. I think she also it doesn't really matter,
Speaker 1: but it's like I think what she would want because
Speaker 1: it is such a right early album. Yeah, it is
Speaker 1: such a lit Manger kind of thing. Yeah. I found
Speaker 1: it really really engrossing in that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny because she rotates between being very
Speaker 2: like one to one in her lyrics, like and now
Speaker 2: I'm down bad crying at the gym. Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: in like contrast to that, there's the Albatross and there's
Speaker 2: like almost everything on the anthology which is like very dense.
Speaker 2: And I think that some of the comments, like in
Speaker 2: some of the more negative reviews, is that it feels
Speaker 2: like it's too much words and it needs like inner
Speaker 2: cuts and edits to like get through it.
Speaker 1: But I kind of think that all of that is
Speaker 1: the point. Like it's like, yeah, it's her version of
Speaker 1: a tortured poetry book that she's putting through a Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift lens. Yeah, And if it's polarizing to people, A,
Speaker 1: I think that's good, and I think that will make
Speaker 1: everything about going forward more interesting. And B I think again,
Speaker 1: you don't have to sit there and listen to all
Speaker 1: thirty one of these in a row. No, like, let
Speaker 1: them just be songs. Yeah, because that's really all I are. People. Hmmm.
Speaker 1: I think that her not having this filter. I think
Speaker 1: this album is like an unfiltered cigarette totally her not
Speaker 1: having that filter literally figuratively. I think she is seizing
Speaker 1: this as the first post Eras tour album released, Like
Speaker 1: every eye and ear is gonna be on this. What
Speaker 1: can I do that I can only do now? Like
Speaker 1: this is another carte blanche for me, right, because you
Speaker 1: know what, she didn't really get that with nineteen eighty nine.
Speaker 1: She did not get the opportunity to do a post
Speaker 1: Imperial Phase album to be like I can make this
Speaker 1: whatever I want, right, She was kind of backed into
Speaker 1: recorder was pushed into push into reputation, and.
Speaker 2: In saying that, like as a follow up to nineteen
Speaker 2: eighty nine, even without all the stuff around it, reputation
Speaker 2: like incredible album r but like she conceptually had to
Speaker 2: have some reactionary work, like after the whole Kim Kanye show.
Speaker 1: Yes, she did not have the opportunity until now to
Speaker 1: come off of one of the biggest moments of her
Speaker 1: career and then be like I can do whatever. This
Speaker 1: is true imperial phase. I'm lucky enough to get a
Speaker 1: second one. Yes, what can I do with this opportunity?
Speaker 1: This is maybe the only time in her career. I
Speaker 1: don't know, this is not totally informed, but like she's
Speaker 1: gonna put out an album with thirty one songs on
Speaker 1: it and have everyone listen to it, right what I mean? Yes?
Speaker 1: I feel like also one thing that's getting lost is
Speaker 1: when people are like, oh, it's thirty one songs, Like
Speaker 1: that's too much for an album. It is two albums.
Speaker 1: There's a fifteen song album and a sixteen song second album,
Speaker 1: or a sixteen song album and a fifteen song follow up.
Speaker 2: So think about it that way if people need it
Speaker 2: to be easier for them. But I think like what
Speaker 2: you're saying about it feeling cumulative and also imperial, especially
Speaker 2: in this moment, is so dead on, because what I
Speaker 2: think we have here is.
Speaker 1: Like the bitchy grown daughter of Red and Reputation. Like
Speaker 1: I really feel like that's what we have here. It
Speaker 1: feels like a sequel to both those albums to me
Speaker 1: in a way, Red because of the genre that I
Speaker 1: think we pretty much land on and Yes, and also
Speaker 1: Reputation in that there is a lot of comment personal
Speaker 1: comment that you can apply to yourself once you get
Speaker 1: through like what this moment is, which is the release
Speaker 1: and everyone doing the decoding thing that happens with her.
Speaker 1: What you'll find is I think similar to what you
Speaker 1: find with Reputation, which is just great music. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I also think it's like that daughter of Red
Speaker 2: and Reputation, like graduated from Evermore College and vacation did Midnights.
Speaker 2: And I feel like there's also a lot of speak
Speaker 2: now in this just sonically there's a lot of speak now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think so high school is speak now, I think so.
Speaker 1: And I also think that Clara bo kind of gives
Speaker 1: speak now, Clara Bow gives Lucky from Red too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's like the grown up version of the Lucky Ones, right.
Speaker 2: And I think that what's so great about all of
Speaker 2: this is that it was created during the Eras tour,
Speaker 2: when she was immersed in all of those eras. So
Speaker 2: as a fan, this is very satisfying if you're looking
Speaker 2: at it like a collective. And I also think just
Speaker 2: from an artistic standpoint, what she's done is she has
Speaker 2: funneled what I would essentially call and I'm not saying
Speaker 2: this pejoritay ofly like a manic period, and you feel
Speaker 2: that in the music, like the extremes of the emotions,
Speaker 2: like the extremes of the lyricisms, the sort of places
Speaker 2: that she's going. Sometimes I recognize it as being like
Speaker 2: a pure example of whatever emotion that is.
Speaker 1: Like Who's afraid of Little Old Me?
Speaker 2: Is pure anger channeled into this like big pop song,
Speaker 2: which is like again, like I think, spiritually a sequel
Speaker 2: to reputation in a really fun way. And I I
Speaker 2: also think there's like some question about like how seriously
Speaker 2: she takes herself as like a tortured poet. Remember guys
Speaker 2: that she's like the biggest and best pop star in
Speaker 2: the world, and she's incredibly good at putting on these
Speaker 2: different costumes, she in fact knows they are eras well
Speaker 2: enough to brand it that way. So she is wearing
Speaker 2: a costume as this tortured poet. She went through something,
Speaker 2: saw what the body of work was giving and said,
Speaker 2: this is like tortured poetry, and I see an aesthetic there.
Speaker 2: So that to me is all fun and specific and great.
Speaker 2: And she does seem in control of it me in
Speaker 2: a complete way.
Speaker 1: And some people seem to really bristle at this theory,
Speaker 1: and I kind of have like some weariness around it.
Speaker 1: But like if like the asylum imagery motif in this
Speaker 1: is connecting to like a manic episode, which like a
Speaker 1: lot of people really like have sensitivities around that word
Speaker 1: totally of course, so valid, But I I like that
Speaker 1: lens too of like, oh, yeah, this relationship you were
Speaker 1: in for six seven years is over as you're on
Speaker 1: the highest grossing tour of all time right while you're
Speaker 1: dating this like really chaotic person. Like all of these
Speaker 1: things are like shrapnel in the explosion. Yeah you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yes, And I also think she has
Speaker 1: always in fact, it's been like the bit about her,
Speaker 1: like she puts her relationships into her music, right, and
Speaker 1: so that's like a way that she funnels her emotion.
Speaker 1: And so the fact that she had this one relationship
Speaker 1: that has defined a lot of her music from probably
Speaker 1: the past better part of a decade ending and this
Speaker 1: other one starting and being so crazy like that insanity
Speaker 1: and like I said that messiness, and I say that
Speaker 1: in a good way, like this was always gonna be
Speaker 1: the kind of album that she made at this time. Huh.
Speaker 1: The fact that it feels like a little whatever quote
Speaker 1: unquote unedited, I think is good and interesting and exciting
Speaker 1: me too. I'm sure people will listen to this and
Speaker 1: it'll come off as us like quote unquote defending her.
Speaker 1: I don't really feel that she doesn't. She doesn't need
Speaker 1: defense or protection really, and what she has done that
Speaker 1: I think is forever like defining her career, which is
Speaker 1: like crazy to think about it this way. She's like
Speaker 1: really and I say this like genuinely, like this is genius,
Speaker 1: Like she did something that not a lot of artists
Speaker 1: have done, which is with the Eras tour when she
Speaker 1: announced that concept, like it was so revolutionary, but it was.
Speaker 1: It's just like she destroys the binary between like new
Speaker 1: work old work because it's like you're touring artist. Let's
Speaker 1: say you're McCartney. You go out with your new album,
Speaker 1: people still want to hear you sing like Backbird, you know,
Speaker 1: like they want you to play the hits. This is
Speaker 1: someone who like the legacy stuff and the new stuff
Speaker 1: is on the same level. Like that hasn't really ever happened.
Speaker 1: I mean, like in my memory, my myopic, small limited scope,
Speaker 1: like that hasn't happened before. Like an artist who like
Speaker 1: fucking changes the paradigm so completely. And I think going forward,
Speaker 1: I don't know what she does except for recontextualize all
Speaker 1: of the stuff that comes before. I think, whatever she
Speaker 1: does going forward, And I'm so interested to see what
Speaker 1: twelve and thirteen are albums twelve and thirteen are because
Speaker 1: it's like, up until thirteen, is it gonna be like
Speaker 1: just And I hope it's not, because there is a
Speaker 1: danger to this. I hope it's not pure navel gazy.
Speaker 1: I hope it's not pure like let's look at what
Speaker 1: I've done, even though she's allowed to do that because
Speaker 1: she is so prolific that way. But I'm like, my
Speaker 1: gut is telling me this is her album of like
Speaker 1: let me just get all of the retrospection out of
Speaker 1: the way. Yeah, and then twelve is going to be
Speaker 1: something interesting, I hope, I'm sure. And thirteen is gonna
Speaker 1: be oh, whatever it is, it's gonna be huge and
Speaker 1: studio symbolic. It's gonna represent something. The obvious thing to
Speaker 1: me seems to be like it'll be like country, pure
Speaker 1: country again when that like quote unquote trend is maybe
Speaker 1: like done with the other girlies, like she will return
Speaker 1: to that and like claim it as hers or something.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean like in some ways this is
Speaker 1: reminding me of reputation when people were like she's over exposed,
Speaker 1: like there is that fatigue setting in which, you know,
Speaker 1: I think she also saw coming where it's like she
Speaker 1: might as well like ride that wave and like put
Speaker 1: out something that will be polarizing and divisive and people
Speaker 1: will have opinions about. Yeah. I think it was surprising
Speaker 1: that it was coming now, of course, because it really
Speaker 1: feels like a fall album and you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: like and it kind of feels like it would be
Speaker 1: in line with the stuff that she is, you know,
Speaker 1: famously and historically released in the Fall, and it doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like it's giving summer, So maybe that is some
Speaker 1: of like the polarized reaction is just people like not
Speaker 1: necessarily being in the mood for what they certainly will
Speaker 1: be in the mood for when they have their little
Speaker 1: hot Coco in there. This is gonna fucking hit kN October.
Speaker 2: It really is, And I feel like the reason why
Speaker 2: it's coming now in April is because they had to
Speaker 2: probably add it to the tour. I would imagine that
Speaker 2: we're getting serious cuts to the Era's tour and they're
Speaker 2: gonna give a whole tortured poet section at the end,
Speaker 2: and like She's gonna go in. We're probably getting seven
Speaker 2: songs and we'll talk about like specifically what might be
Speaker 2: fun to see because I go back and forth, like
Speaker 2: literally I yesterday I tried to make like a playlist,
Speaker 2: like if I were to narrow down the album, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like even doing that, like my
Speaker 2: playlist just this album was still over twenty two to
Speaker 2: twenty three songs ago. There's not that much here. There's
Speaker 2: not as much chap as people are saying, not at all.
Speaker 2: And if there are those songs that you think are
Speaker 2: on that short list, listen to them again. Because even
Speaker 2: if it might not hit at first, Like there's really
Speaker 2: interesting lyrical stuff happening here, and like I just think
Speaker 2: that it's better than you think. And I think we're
Speaker 2: kind of like tripping ourselves up by being overwhelmed. People
Speaker 2: have been so defensive about their reaction to this album,
Speaker 2: Like I've had more than one person come to me
Speaker 2: and be like, I haven't gotten through it yet.
Speaker 1: I just feel like it's a lot. I'm like, babe,
Speaker 1: I don't care if you like it or don't like
Speaker 1: but there is this preciousness and this like you know,
Speaker 1: panic about reacting to this album and like arriving at
Speaker 1: a take, which is like not why we have music.
Speaker 1: There's a metatake on it for people to write. There's
Speaker 1: like I have a take on my take, yes, which
Speaker 1: is so interesting. Maybe we're like doing that right now too.
Speaker 1: You know. I literally got tripped up last night because
Speaker 1: I was like, oh God, like I can't then I
Speaker 1: was our episode about tortured poets, like what are we
Speaker 1: gonna say? And I'm like, wait, hold on, slow your
Speaker 1: role for a second. Music. It's music, and it's fucking
Speaker 1: great music.
Speaker 2: And I think like these bizarre like sprints to the
Speaker 2: take are not gonna work on something like this and
Speaker 2: you're gonna look back on your take or your work
Speaker 2: and you're gonna be like hmmm. I reacted to that quickly,
Speaker 2: like it happens with her all the time, like Pitchfork,
Speaker 2: And I did think that that review did make some points,
Speaker 2: but I thought it was about a point too low
Speaker 2: or a point and a half too low in terms
Speaker 2: of the score, because we have yet again with her,
Speaker 2: like they in particular have done many times, because they
Speaker 2: retroactively rate her.
Speaker 1: Hire a lot. Yeah, they interroactively rate everyone a lot higher. Yes,
Speaker 1: And I feel like we in the race to have
Speaker 1: a take or try to figure out this album, you're
Speaker 1: actually doing a disservice to a lot of the work here,
Speaker 1: because while again I think there are some points to
Speaker 1: be made about, like it might be interesting to see
Speaker 1: her work with someone outside of Jack and Aron next time.
Speaker 1: Like I do agree that any artist should have a
Speaker 1: period where they go off and reconfigure and like start
Speaker 1: working with new people, and I think it is revitalizing.
Speaker 1: We remember when Beyonce took time off before four and
Speaker 1: came back as a new artist. You know, that's like
Speaker 1: exciting and that's an opportunity. So I think there is
Speaker 1: some stuff in the criticism here that's potential to listen to.
Speaker 1: When I say that as a huge fan of not
Speaker 1: only just Taylor but also Jack and Aaron, So I
Speaker 1: think there is something there. But it is the Internet culture, yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's nobody's fault, except like the culture of spreading
Speaker 1: to a take with everything, and you know that's nothing new. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's reminding me of Reputation a lot,
Speaker 1: where there were just these god like so many informational
Speaker 1: pieces about like what's this lyric mean? And in the
Speaker 1: end that stuff doesn't really matter. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: I'm like inoculated from like what everyone else is thinking
Speaker 1: and feeling, but like, I don't really care what song
Speaker 1: is about Maddie and what song is about Joe. I'm
Speaker 1: kind of like I don't care about that at all,
Speaker 1: and neither does any of her fans. Like when you
Speaker 1: go to the aristour like and you look around and
Speaker 1: you see someone living their fucking life singing all too well,
Speaker 1: they're not thinking about how that's about Jake Jillnhull. They're
Speaker 1: thinking about how it applies to their life, which is
Speaker 1: I guess why I'm saying, like, start listening to her
Speaker 1: music as if you're the protagonist and try to apply
Speaker 1: it to your own life instead of like falling down
Speaker 1: a cliff trying to like figure out what it means
Speaker 1: for her. It doesn't need to be that. She's always
Speaker 1: been the best.
Speaker 2: Communicator in pop music songwriting because she can communicate.
Speaker 1: What you are feeling, what her audience is feeling, and
Speaker 1: that's still here. I think this album has some of
Speaker 1: her best songwriting. And I also agree that it is superfluous,
Speaker 1: like any other thing, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like any other of her albums, And I think she
Speaker 1: understands that on some level, it's okay not to like
Speaker 1: tie it back to my work. But it's like it's
Speaker 1: like when everyone's like snalos'm and goods and blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: If you go back and pick any episode from any season,
Speaker 1: it's like watch one episode. There's some great sketches, there's
Speaker 1: some bad sketches, there are some mid sketches. That's just
Speaker 1: how it works, because why we have to fill out
Speaker 1: an hour and a half of television, right that is
Speaker 1: like part of the production and like and but you're
Speaker 1: thinking Oh it's Taylor Stow. She can make any album
Speaker 1: any links to what she wants totally. But like I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I think she wanted to get to thirty one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because it is, you know, neatly this subverted, reversed thing
Speaker 1: that like we know, we think we're so familiarized with
Speaker 1: something about her, and yet she is telling us that,
Speaker 1: like and maybe she's inverting it because it's like this
Speaker 1: is probably the most internally mainlined album she's ever put out.
Speaker 1: Yeah too, you know that she's her insides are out.
Speaker 1: Literally some of the.
Speaker 2: Lines, I'm like so shook by that sounded so fucking basic,
Speaker 2: but like what I guess what I mean is like
Speaker 2: what if he's written mine on my upper thigh only
Speaker 2: in my mind? Like Guilty of Sin Is, I think
Speaker 2: my favorite song on the album, and I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: this out into the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: This must be in the tour. Okay, Guiltiest sin Is.
Speaker 2: I think some of her best writing and specific like
Speaker 2: that thing of when you've already been romantic intimate with
Speaker 2: someone to like an embarrassing degree, to an emotional degree,
Speaker 2: because you know that's where it's headed, like.
Speaker 1: That your mind has got ahead of itself, has got
Speaker 1: ahead of reality. Yeah, there's just not a lot of
Speaker 1: songs that can like not only spell out that specific feeling,
Speaker 1: but then like really it takes you on a ride
Speaker 1: that song. And I love the type of song that is.
Speaker 2: I made a list of, like I guess, like all
Speaker 2: my favorite songs in order, and the stuff that rises
Speaker 2: to the top for me is this like nineties like
Speaker 2: rock moment, like but Daddy, I love him. I think
Speaker 2: the chicks would be proud of that, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, Like Guiltiest Sin incredible, like so high school, Oh,
Speaker 2: so high School's amazing. I love the Black Dog so much.
Speaker 2: I love that starting line reference made me scream.
Speaker 1: We watched it.
Speaker 2: Who listened to it together? And also God blessed the
Speaker 2: starting line And they're streaming numbers now they just pop
Speaker 2: all the way off and they're thankful. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: but that's like old habits die screaming, Like come on,
Speaker 2: I don't know like this, don't talk to me about
Speaker 2: how she's Some of these articles were like fun to read,
Speaker 2: I guess, Like the paste article I thought was fun to.
Speaker 1: Read, you know what I mean, Like I thought the
Speaker 1: pork thing.
Speaker 2: It was brutal, but like I was reading it as
Speaker 2: if like, this is this person popping off, not like I, yeah,
Speaker 2: I necessarily agreed. I was just like, oh, this is
Speaker 2: content about this album that I find entertaining. I'm sure
Speaker 2: you know Taylor read it and had a different perspective,
Speaker 2: but I was like, yeah, interesting and so intense unproving
Speaker 2: that she's like lost it or flopped on this album.
Speaker 2: And they basically did the equivalent of like screenshotting the
Speaker 2: quote unquote cringe lyrics and putting them in highlight.
Speaker 1: But I was gonna be my I don't think so, honey, Yes,
Speaker 1: and it should be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I was just like, this article deliberately ignores
Speaker 2: so much of the excellent work here, and that's really
Speaker 2: just a testament to how fucking high level of quality
Speaker 2: she always delivers. That people can literally with a com
Speaker 2: go through and pull out lyrics and like try to,
Speaker 2: you know, sniper rifle find where she's maybe slipped up,
Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry, but she hasn't. Over twenty of these
Speaker 2: are genius.
Speaker 1: What's like that is like the definition of like removing
Speaker 1: context from something right, Like I also, I kind of
Speaker 1: my eye just skims over in any review for any album. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like when they reference the lyrics, I understand, like journalistically,
Speaker 1: that's like what you're supposed to do. But I'm like,
Speaker 1: if I read a song lyric no matter what, no
Speaker 1: matter who it's by, I'm gonna be like, that sounds stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know you know what I mean. Even poetry, if
Speaker 1: it's like if the line breaks, if it's not formatted
Speaker 1: the way that like the poet intended, I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's dumb. That sounds stupid as fuck. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I get why it's done. And I do
Speaker 1: love the memes of people like taking the genius you
Speaker 1: know Instagram post graphing their own lyrics onto it, for sure.
Speaker 1: But sometimes when people are like why is she talking
Speaker 1: about Grand Theft Daughto, It's like, okay, oh give me
Speaker 1: a break, it's just on line. Just just listen to
Speaker 1: the song. The article is about being like in a
Speaker 1: high school mentality, touch me while your bros played Grand
Speaker 1: Theft Auto. But you loved that line when we heard it,
Speaker 1: Like it's like I appreciate that she wrote a song
Speaker 1: for len me. Yeah, I mean what American pie Grand
Speaker 1: Theft daughta. Yeah. Oh this is also six is coming
Speaker 1: out soon anyway, so just wait a year and then
Speaker 1: you're gonna fucking love it. This is what I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say when that article is like an album that will
Speaker 1: single handedly set poetry back like by existing, Like, first
Speaker 1: of all, shut the fuck up, because she is again,
Speaker 1: I'm a pop star who is doing this tortured poet
Speaker 1: thing like it's a pop star era. It's a character.
Speaker 1: It's like a character. It's not like she doesn't actually
Speaker 1: consider herself a tortured poet.
Speaker 2: Like she even said like I'm not Patti Smith, You're
Speaker 2: not Dylan Thomas in torture Poet's the song like this
Speaker 2: isn't the Chelsea Hotel, Like it's not.
Speaker 1: Actually that deep.
Speaker 2: It's just a way for her to commit to an
Speaker 2: aesthetic that matches the sound and the tone of what
Speaker 2: she's doing.
Speaker 1: So what I would say is like touch grass. If
Speaker 1: that's what your takeaway is, don't worry. Poetry is okay.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift is not destroying or setting back poetry. It's
Speaker 1: that kind of like hyperbolic commentary on this type of thing,
Speaker 1: which a is just too fast, too soon, and also
Speaker 1: be like you know, that's not what is happening here,
Speaker 1: Like you the writer know she's not setting poetry back
Speaker 1: with this. It's a pop music album. Do we want
Speaker 1: to look at tracks highlight?
Speaker 2: I mean, let me just say down bad crying at
Speaker 2: the gym when she fucked that alien. I said, this
Speaker 2: was I already have a music.
Speaker 1: Video in my head for this. I really hope she'd
Speaker 1: makes the video with this. I love want tout an
Speaker 1: alien abduction.
Speaker 2: Uh, she got abducted by this alien, sent back and
Speaker 2: now she's down back, crying at the gym, fucking icing
Speaker 2: her injuries.
Speaker 1: Like my first couple listens, I was like, oh, she's
Speaker 1: talking about an X. I was like, oh okay, like
Speaker 1: did you beat me up? Like okay, great, But then
Speaker 1: like that line of like they'll think I'm nuts if
Speaker 1: I like talk about your existence Like I'm like, oh
Speaker 1: of course, Like it's yeah, I love that. It's like
Speaker 1: post breakup depression grafted onto like being abducted by aliens
Speaker 1: and also something that like didn't happen for our long time.
Speaker 2: It's like this experience, it's more it's less a relationship
Speaker 2: she had and more of an experience that she had
Speaker 2: in an emotion that she feels as a result of
Speaker 2: it like have don't we all had that metaphor, he
Speaker 2: had that metaphor of like oh God.
Speaker 1: It felt like I was like wraps her up into
Speaker 1: the sky. I mean, that's what the cosmic thing of
Speaker 1: it is. And I do think a lot of this
Speaker 1: also speaks to Ariana's album, like like Ariana's album is
Speaker 1: about that experience too, of like reeling outside of something
Speaker 1: and then entering something else. And I also think it's
Speaker 1: the miracle move on drug. Yes, there's a lot going
Speaker 1: on here, even a lot of the visuals. It feels
Speaker 1: like there was like some like mindedness in a good way.
Speaker 1: But when I first listened through Down Dad was just.
Speaker 2: It popped out to me because it's Taylor, and I
Speaker 2: think that there's not a lot of Taylor on this album,
Speaker 2: and after Eras when it was extremely Taylor, like to
Speaker 2: get so much Taylor hard or tailor like feels maybe
Speaker 2: not we wanted her expected, but it kind of is
Speaker 2: what I wanted and expected. Yet there are things like
Speaker 2: down Bad where she goes fucket a fuck can't have him,
Speaker 2: or I can be like a little bitch walking the
Speaker 2: streets and like you know, might shake my Tayla asks
Speaker 2: you know what I mean people saying that there's not
Speaker 2: a lot of opportunities to shake your ass like Tayla
Speaker 2: on this album, Like, just do another listen through because
Speaker 2: down Bad is here for you. Like you know, there's moments,
Speaker 2: it's just it's a more like it's balance, and that's
Speaker 2: just what it is. She gave you nineties v H
Speaker 2: one woman, It's it's quill Pen, Fountain Pen, Taylor. I
Speaker 2: don't think we've ever done the one to one on Tayla.
Speaker 1: Taylor taylora every now and then with what she has
Speaker 1: parsed out herself as I have songs that are quill Pen,
Speaker 1: glittergel Pen. Yeah, fountain Pen and glitter jel Pen obviously
Speaker 1: is Taylor or Tayla. I'm so sorry, Oh my god, Wow,
Speaker 1: I can't believe they got that wrong. And it's a
Speaker 1: little bit murkier when you go into quill pen found
Speaker 1: Pen territory. But both of those kind of combined to
Speaker 1: form Taylor. Yeah again, Taylor knows about Taylor Taylor.
Speaker 2: She now knows, and so that's why she approached this
Speaker 2: album the way she did as a result of your
Speaker 2: interaction with her.
Speaker 1: I know you love the Albatross I love the Albatross
Speaker 1: so much. When I first saw this as a track,
Speaker 1: this is supposed to be one of the bonus tracks
Speaker 1: on the original album, I was like, Oh, is this
Speaker 1: a Fluwood Mac reference? Because before Stevie and Lindsay joined,
Speaker 1: Fleetwood Mac has an instrumental song called Albatross and Baby
Speaker 1: put it on before you go to bed. It is
Speaker 1: gonna send you to Dreamland. It's gonna put you on
Speaker 1: the little barge to Dreamland and then push you down
Speaker 1: the river. Such a beautiful and enchanting song. I thought
Speaker 1: it would be referenced to that. It wasn't. I was shocked, delighted.
Speaker 1: It's a really beautiful song. I think this has her
Speaker 1: best lyrics.
Speaker 2: I think not only would I comment lyrics, can I
Speaker 2: agree with you? It's like among her better lyrics, but.
Speaker 1: Her vocal on this is really good, Like the Albatross
Speaker 1: has some incredible backing vocals like this is what I'm
Speaker 1: saying is it's like you can't appreciate the texture of
Speaker 1: all of this reacting quickly to an album this long
Speaker 1: and this vast, because you need to have a take, like,
Speaker 1: actually listen to what's going on here, Like the Albatross
Speaker 1: has just incredible stuff happening lyrically, sonically, like this is
Speaker 1: I think, by far one of the best. Like I
Speaker 1: made this list last night. It's one, two, three, four,
Speaker 1: five on my list. Great, it's ranked.
Speaker 2: I have Guilty of Sin number one, but Daddy I
Speaker 2: Love Him number two, down Bad number three, the black
Speaker 2: Dog number four, Albatross number five, so high School number six,
Speaker 2: Fresh Out the Slammer I love.
Speaker 1: I love Rush Out the Slammer because she gave you
Speaker 1: a little bit of this fresh other slammer. And I said,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: Taylor for showing up, because you're welcome here always Taylor. Yes,
Speaker 2: and then I have Fortnite, which grew on me, Thank you, Amy,
Speaker 2: and Love of my Life.
Speaker 1: Those are my top ten love. I have not taken
Speaker 1: it upon myself to rank, and that's what makes this album.
Speaker 1: So choose your own adventure. Yes.
Speaker 2: And by the way, this playlist that I made is
Speaker 2: called this is what I personally believe, and.
Speaker 1: I will share a public is the Matt Rogers catchphrase.
Speaker 1: That's the essence in one sense. Honestly, this could be
Speaker 1: the album title. This is what I personally believe.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's my next album is called this is what
Speaker 2: I personally believe, and it's tortured Poets Coded, and that's the.
Speaker 1: Title of this episode. This is what I personally believe.
Speaker 1: What do you think of thank you Amy? And the
Speaker 1: capitalization of K, I and AM as letters. I love
Speaker 1: capitalizing on those letters. I think that Taylor this is
Speaker 1: a sign of Taylor being fully of like the reason
Speaker 1: why everyone's like, why is she still you know, relitigating
Speaker 1: this or digging this up again? Because I think it
Speaker 1: is purely retrospective, right. I think she's looking back at
Speaker 1: like the whole story of Taylor Swift because it's been
Speaker 1: motivated by the Ariostour. I think she's looking back on
Speaker 1: a lot of the things that have defined her career
Speaker 1: so far, and she's going, let me actually leave this behind.
Speaker 1: That's where thirty one comes in, you know, like, let
Speaker 1: me actually like subvert this move on the chapter is closed.
Speaker 1: Like I believe her when she says that. I think
Speaker 1: it's a great song. I love Cassandra, which is kind
Speaker 1: of also spiritually in the same world of like this
Speaker 1: person's been wrong, Cassandra of Troy, nobody would listen to
Speaker 1: her and the albatross who speaks to that, like I
Speaker 1: have been so maligned and so labeled as these things
Speaker 1: like you coming into proximity with me puts you in danger,
Speaker 1: and all the warnings that could possibly come your way
Speaker 1: that you ignore them shows true love for me. Yes,
Speaker 1: I mean that's great, that's great. There's a lot going
Speaker 1: on in that song. I think there are a lot
Speaker 1: of ways that it can be read. Yeah, totally, and
Speaker 1: but wise men one said wild Winds or Death to
Speaker 1: the Candle, that's your opening line, bitch, don't talk to
Speaker 1: me about bad songwriting, like you sound so stupid, like
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, but like, do not tell me bad
Speaker 1: songwriting when these are the lyrics like get out of
Speaker 1: town wild Winds. I believe that is a Romantics era
Speaker 1: poet Tree reference right of like Transcendentalism, Like I'm getting
Speaker 1: my shit mixed up. But it's like nature being sublime,
Speaker 1: nature like you are powerless to it, like death to
Speaker 1: the candle, like it is snuffing out this man made thing.
Speaker 1: Like there's something about her art which is sublime, which
Speaker 1: is like bigger than her, bigger than us, you know,
Speaker 1: Like she's saying that like she she is a wild
Speaker 1: wind and like people want to like cage that people
Speaker 1: want to contain that people fear it because they don't
Speaker 1: know it, because it's it has this inexplicable effect. I
Speaker 1: think this album is like it doesn't talk about things
Speaker 1: beyond her, and that's okay because I think it is
Speaker 1: like her reckoning with like what she means, what her
Speaker 1: life has been, what she wants it to be going forward.
Speaker 1: And I think it's like I think Clara Beau is
Speaker 1: such a beautiful closer because it's like, this is what
Speaker 1: my legacy means, and someone someday will always like people
Speaker 1: will always try to like build on it and then
Speaker 1: maybe erase it and be like, oh, here's someone new
Speaker 1: who reminds us of her but is better. It's like
Speaker 1: a very bittersweet song. It's a little bittersweet, Like it's
Speaker 1: like that idea.
Speaker 2: That like you could be the one, and then when
Speaker 2: that happens, it like comes with all these contradictions and
Speaker 2: all these crazy things and like ultimately an ego check
Speaker 2: at the end, you know what I mean. That's like
Speaker 2: and I think that's why it's really fitting that that
Speaker 2: song is last on the first album, because what I
Speaker 2: love about this and the writing and why I do
Speaker 2: think at some of the boldest writing she's done is
Speaker 2: because she is not afraid to look crazy, like she
Speaker 2: is not afraid to look like the biggest version of
Speaker 2: all of her emotions. I think, thank you, Amy. The
Speaker 2: capitalizing of Cam is vindictive as fuck. And I think
Speaker 2: it's because she's a little vindictive. Yeah, and she is
Speaker 2: really out here being that, So you being like, ugh,
Speaker 2: she's vindictive, like for that. She knows that, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean, Like, she gets it. She wrote the song,
Speaker 2: she felt the emotion, she put it out there for everyone.
Speaker 2: It wasn't a mistake to capitalize it, ki Am. I
Speaker 2: mean she's feeling vindictive. She feels very hurt still from
Speaker 2: that person trying to let me remind everyone destroy her
Speaker 2: completely and take away her credibility. So the fact that
Speaker 2: she turned that into what that song is, which is
Speaker 2: when you take away all the battles and mussles and
Speaker 2: all the headlines about it, it's a song about thanking
Speaker 2: your bully for making you better, and that that is
Speaker 2: gonna connect with her fans, with people that have experienced
Speaker 2: that in the past, are experiencing it. She is who
Speaker 2: she has always been, but an extremely elevated and still
Speaker 2: ever challenging version of that, and I think that that's
Speaker 2: fucking great.
Speaker 1: And like I said, I think it's good that this
Speaker 1: is polarizing.
Speaker 2: I think it's good that not every single piece that
Speaker 2: she ever puts out is like a ten out of
Speaker 2: ten five stars, like in terms of the way that
Speaker 2: it's received, because that would not be good for her
Speaker 2: or for us.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think she knew. It doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: she knew or knows. I think there's no way this
Speaker 1: album is like universally acclaimed.
Speaker 2: No way, because it is like all these things, and
Speaker 2: I'm just it is too long, it is too verbos,
Speaker 2: it is to this, to that, too much of the same,
Speaker 2: too much of this that the other thing. Like this's
Speaker 2: gonna be so many things people can say about this
Speaker 2: and different angles people can take. That's sort of just
Speaker 2: don't get to the heart of it, which is that
Speaker 2: the music is fucking great.
Speaker 1: Internet seems to not care for the alchemy. It's like
Speaker 1: my favorite.
Speaker 2: I think the alchemy is romantic and fun and uzzy
Speaker 2: and big and beautiful and gorgeous. And I think if
Speaker 2: the lyrics are a little on the nose, that's fucking
Speaker 2: great because it's someone being like, after all this noise
Speaker 2: and all this like challenge and all this chaos.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you my boyfriend who plays football,
Speaker 1: touch down, ultimately, touchdown, Ultimately touchdown. It's actually a real culture.
Speaker 1: Number eighty eight ultimately touchdown, touch down. Call the amate jersey,
Speaker 1: come from the team, the clowns, take the cram. Baby,
Speaker 1: I want to be Oh my god, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's so, it's adorable, it's great.
Speaker 2: I love it, And can I shout out one of
Speaker 2: my favorite songs that's been sneaky And this is why
Speaker 2: you have to keep going, be patient with the album
Speaker 2: and like, listen to the miss songs. I look in
Speaker 2: People's windows.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love that. Love this song. She's like again,
Speaker 1: like she's not hiding from the fact that she's a
Speaker 1: fucking freak obsessed, you know, Like the shortest song on
Speaker 1: the album. Yeah, who can't relate. I guess people that
Speaker 1: are insane, but like, there have been times after I've
Speaker 1: had things dissolve where I've literally looked for that person,
Speaker 1: like and I mean, what if you looked up and
Speaker 1: we locked eyes one more time? Like that thing of
Speaker 1: like I need to stay vigilant because it's not dead
Speaker 1: for me. And I'm holding on to hope that it's
Speaker 1: not dead for you for that one moment, like and
Speaker 1: it's worth it for me to like put all this
Speaker 1: energy and be this freak and look peer in from
Speaker 1: the insides for that one moment and the urgency in
Speaker 1: that song I love. I love that it abruptly ends,
Speaker 1: almost like she's embarrassed about sharing the thought, like I
Speaker 1: love it. It evokes this thing that you thought different
Speaker 1: for her with such a personal corner, and it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of not it's kind of universalized in this huge
Speaker 1: album that like yeah, everyone's heard and like yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't really care that it's a numbers ploy that
Speaker 1: like thirty one so that I could have like the
Speaker 1: biggest streaming debut and that the sales equivalences or the
Speaker 1: streaming equivalences to unit sales whatever, blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: I like the business side is something that like I
Speaker 1: also am like for some reason tuning out. For me,
Speaker 1: it's just like listen to the songs because if you do,
Speaker 1: you'll get a song like but Daddy, I love him,
Speaker 1: and you'll get to enjoy it because it sounds fucking
Speaker 1: great and it's a lot of fun and also you'll
Speaker 1: realize like it is actually incredibly risky for her to
Speaker 1: say fuck off to her own fans. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: It's like that to me is when the album, like
Speaker 2: when I was first listening to it, when the album
Speaker 2: really took off from me, was track six, But Daddy,
Speaker 2: I Love Him.
Speaker 1: I will say.
Speaker 2: When I first started listening to the album, Fortnite took
Speaker 2: a second for me. I was like, I know, I
Speaker 2: feel like I know in my heart this is going
Speaker 2: to be the single, So let me try to wrap
Speaker 2: my head around that. The song has grown on.
Speaker 1: Me so much. I'm struggling a little bit with Tortured
Speaker 1: Poet's Department. The song like, to me, it's just a
Speaker 1: little like I don't get it yet.
Speaker 2: But then right after that, like the album like really
Speaker 2: ticks off from me, and by the time but Daddy
Speaker 2: I Love Him was happening, I was like, this feels
Speaker 2: like like a like a spiritual successor to like read
Speaker 2: and like all too well, like the fact that it's
Speaker 2: like over five minutes long and it's like this like
Speaker 2: epic narrative and it being that long and containing so
Speaker 2: much like anger towards people who like, quote unquote want
Speaker 2: the best for her but could never actually understand her.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think that also speaks to we can't be friends.
Speaker 2: On Ariana's album, I think these girls are reckoning with
Speaker 2: the fact that people that they love and appreciate are
Speaker 2: driving them fucking nuts.
Speaker 1: Well, it's it's now becoming a somewhat phenomenon, somewhat of
Speaker 1: a phenomenon where it's like you have Doja openly violently
Speaker 1: being like, fuck my girls, and it's like, like the
Speaker 1: girl Like I think like this, like this is when
Speaker 1: stand culture starts to like evolve into a new stage
Speaker 1: where like maybe it's unhealthy for everyone, yes, like including
Speaker 1: the stands, including the people they like worship. It's like
Speaker 1: if someone and I'm not gonna name names, but there
Speaker 1: are people out there who fully embrace the fans. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And pathology, Yeah, there's pathology. Like it's not great if
Speaker 1: you are out there completely embracing all of the mania
Speaker 1: in that. Yeah, if you're inviting more mania into your
Speaker 1: life because it is mania. Yeah. And yeah, it's perfect blue.
Speaker 1: It's perfect blue, and it's actually really culture number three. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's perfect blue. And I also think like it's a
Speaker 1: message to people like, listen, if I'm going to fuck up,
Speaker 1: just let me fuck up. Just let me do it,
Speaker 1: because because there's actually like there's no way, yeah, that
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop living my life for everyone, and you
Speaker 1: wouldn't really want that, Like who would want their favorite
Speaker 1: artists to not live their fucking life and make mistakes
Speaker 1: and like be able to be the messy fucking version. Right,
Speaker 1: it's not Twitch Place Pokemon. I was just gonna say,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm talking about, Yeah, oh yeah, were
Speaker 1: you following Twitch Place Pokemon. This is when Twitch literally
Speaker 1: first started first started out whereas everyone was inputting, it
Speaker 1: was like millions of people inputting like up, down, ab left, right, yes,
Speaker 1: a game of Pokemon red or Pokemon Blue, and then
Speaker 1: somehow they got all the way to the end. But
Speaker 1: it was it was like your character is kind of
Speaker 1: like walking up and down and like dying, like remember this.
Speaker 1: It was like by committee. You cannot do this. You
Speaker 1: cannot live a life by not live a life by committee.
Speaker 1: And that's real coachure number ten. You cannot live a
Speaker 1: life by committee. It'll end up being Madam web. It'll
Speaker 1: end up being Madam Webb. I didn't see it oh
Speaker 1: you should. It's so good.
Speaker 2: No, that invalidates everything we've ever said. Madam Web is
Speaker 2: the best film of the year, Last calls, canceled, Awards
Speaker 2: taken away, oh my god, trophies, stripped of our trophies.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I would love to ultimately one day
Speaker 1: my awards taken away from me, stripped of my trophy.
Speaker 1: That I think is such a Chikh phrase. They were
Speaker 1: stripped of their trophies. I think Taylor wants that too.
Speaker 1: I think Taylor secretly wants is pining for a scene,
Speaker 1: just for the cinema of it to be like no, don't,
Speaker 1: but donny, I love it well, like literally, like we're
Speaker 1: taking your Grammys away, No, all five hundred of them.
Speaker 1: What would she have to do to have her Grammys
Speaker 1: taken away? I don't know, I mean she, I don't know.
Speaker 1: What would she have to do.
Speaker 2: She has to come out as the reason why there
Speaker 2: are natural disasters? Right, yeah, hey, I've ever heard of hurricanes?
Speaker 2: That was me when I pointed at the crowd and
Speaker 2: sow pallo, right.
Speaker 1: I I was thinking more something along the lines of
Speaker 1: like the Recording Academy, like she you know, like she
Speaker 1: does some equivalent of the slap she did the slap,
Speaker 1: she certainly would have come out, would not have been
Speaker 1: invited to come out of Coachella. Oh God, here we go,
Speaker 1: Here we go. Smith's back, y'all. This is it's an
Speaker 1: excellent album. We love it and of course we do
Speaker 1: because it's good, because it's good. And but if you
Speaker 1: had to tweet that one viral congratulations, congratulations on your
Speaker 1: contribution show. No.
Speaker 2: I love tweets, I love Twitter. I think I think
Speaker 2: that it's great. I'm so sorry, ze it's X.
Speaker 1: I forgot. I think it's great. I think it's I
Speaker 1: think it's worthy. Well, they're supposed to be because it's
Speaker 1: it's it's there's zeats, it's it's X. I'm sorry. But
Speaker 1: if you're calling Twitter called posts, now, no, they're called zeats.
Speaker 1: And I don't make the rules. I just say the rules. Now.
Speaker 1: I want baked zeats, okay, I want big seats too,
Speaker 1: and wash out the slimmer ah no whom lovers call
Speaker 1: it beats. Mussy will be to my big ZD place
Speaker 1: as promised, we are here to talk about twenty thirteen,
Speaker 1: a cultural excavation. Thank you for making it all the
Speaker 1: way here. If you don't care for Taylor. If you
Speaker 1: don't care for the album and you're still listening, Bravo,
Speaker 1: brava to you. Oh can I just say I did
Speaker 1: a Berri's Oatly class on Monday. So many readers Katie's
Speaker 1: publicist finalists, including Lindsay Clayton, who fucking rocks. I have
Speaker 1: to say, I see you readers at Barry's. And if
Speaker 1: you are a reader at Barry's, oh, you actually are
Speaker 1: a Kyle. That's how k this is men or women.
Speaker 2: If you are a reader, publicist, Katie finalist and you
Speaker 2: regularly go to Barry's, you're a Kyle.
Speaker 1: You're a Kyle. It doesn't matter male, female, non binary,
Speaker 1: You're Kyle Kyle and as we know, the most famous Kyle. Wait,
Speaker 1: we actually have this conversation. This is a fun thing
Speaker 1: to ask you who is the most famous Kyle. I
Speaker 1: know you think Richards.
Speaker 2: I didn't necessarily say that. What I'm asking you what
Speaker 2: you think who is the most famous Kyle x Y.
Speaker 1: Period.
Speaker 2: I can't argue with that one, but you think it's Richards.
Speaker 2: So there seems to be like a discussion who's more
Speaker 2: famous certain gig group chats.
Speaker 1: I think a one that I'm in. Okay, Kyle Richards,
Speaker 1: Kyle McLaughlin and Kyle Chandler seem to be the three.
Speaker 1: Kyle McLachlan, you think Kyle McLaughlin is more famous, like
Speaker 1: in terms of people know that his name. Yes, then
Speaker 1: Kyle Richards, Yes, I think it's demographic. I think it's
Speaker 1: I think and it's very that guy famous, like, oh
Speaker 1: I know that guy.
Speaker 2: He was in the original Dude, yell at me, Oh my,
Speaker 2: not yell at me. Do not raise your voice in
Speaker 2: the way that you just did ever again. You're you'll
Speaker 2: be going to the slammer fresh in.
Speaker 1: The slammer first, zed see it is? You think they
Speaker 1: have Z Why are we so good? Okay? So you
Speaker 1: think Colmain? Okay, Queen, how do we how do we
Speaker 1: get into Kyle? If you were there and you will understand,
Speaker 1: we had all these bits planned and we did most
Speaker 1: of them. I was you never got your almond suit.
Speaker 1: I never got my almonds suit. I was gonna beat
Speaker 1: up someone in an almond costume at the Barris class
Speaker 1: because it was an oatly spot sort of that. But
Speaker 1: I was stupid, bitch. It wouldn't have worked. There was
Speaker 1: not in a space people were on the floor. It
Speaker 1: would have been dangerous. I got a few jokes and
Speaker 1: I was like, oh wait, this is not It's hard
Speaker 1: to like do bits while there's a fitness class going on.
Speaker 1: Can I just say, hey, we actually have.
Speaker 2: To move you from D twenty nine because Bowen needs
Speaker 2: that space because he's gonna do a bit where he fights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, someone in an amendcost, but they were they were
Speaker 1: prepared to like go all out and like do whatever.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, I think people want to come
Speaker 1: for a class. So I like ran on the treadmill
Speaker 1: for like two minutes, and then I was so out
Speaker 1: of breath that like my brain was like, we're you're
Speaker 1: not performing right now. You're you're You're actually gonna like
Speaker 1: not do that. And then when I tried to everything
Speaker 1: that came out of my mouth made no sense. When
Speaker 1: Lindsay threw it over to me, like Bowen, what do
Speaker 1: you think? I was like, how am I doing? Like
Speaker 1: it was? I was truly so not myself. I felt
Speaker 1: like Grimes at Coachelle. I was like, everything's going wrong.
Speaker 1: I'm bad Crimes Coachell. I felt like crimes that coach. Wow,
Speaker 1: So thank you for coming and thank you for being
Speaker 1: patient with me that it was a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: I saw some people that I follow were in your class,
Speaker 2: and as someone said that immediately when the class started,
Speaker 2: you said, this first sprint is going to be at twenty,
Speaker 2: which I think is iconic.
Speaker 1: I love it. But this one finalist, Kyle yeah sprinting
Speaker 1: at a fourteen. Jeez, I can't believe the most lives
Speaker 1: on his twelve. Most I've done his ten fourteen is
Speaker 1: but this guy also had redwood tree legs, tall, tall
Speaker 1: motherfucker and he was Taylor Swift or Travis Kelceer, Travis Kelsey.
Speaker 1: He was a full Kyle, full on and if you're
Speaker 1: a Kyle out there, keep running. Hey, Kyle, push it
Speaker 1: to fourteen. Let's go.
Speaker 2: This is for the girlies who go to Berri's and
Speaker 2: instead of was in into the music and the instructure,
Speaker 2: they pop in Lost Coach. They want to hear torture,
Speaker 2: poets discourse. Okay, and when we start to hit a
Speaker 2: really good take, they pressed fourteen. Let's talk about twenty thirteen.
Speaker 2: We needed an episode like this. In person, I would
Speaker 2: say even to talk about this year, it's a big one.
Speaker 1: This is one of the most major years. I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna end on music, because the music is major.
Speaker 1: I think let's start with film.
Speaker 2: You know, in starting with film, what you're gonna find
Speaker 2: is that this was the year of Frozen. And can
Speaker 2: I let me just talk about this for a second.
Speaker 1: Do you remember And this is again why this is
Speaker 1: a valid worthy segment because we relate it to our lives.
Speaker 1: Frozen came out and Papa Roulette did a Frozen sketch.
Speaker 1: What was the Frozen sketch?
Speaker 2: It was literally like the Frozen sketch was Amanda was
Speaker 2: playing Anna and Tessa was playing Elsa. And Elsa was like,
Speaker 2: I have powers of snow.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And Amanda was like, you're a lesbian. Oh, and I
Speaker 2: feel like it was ahead of its time. It was
Speaker 2: and it was very like she was, It's just very
Speaker 2: like with winds, I can create fractals. And it's like,
Speaker 2: I think that you're having a crisis and you're a
Speaker 2: lesbian and if you're a lesbian, you can just say
Speaker 2: that we can We're we're a good girl.
Speaker 1: Yeah. She's like, no, I have to leave.
Speaker 2: Town and create a new house some ice and snow.
Speaker 2: She's like, I feel like you are going through it
Speaker 2: huh like that was kind of the engine of the sketch.
Speaker 2: And I remember it played to silence, not because it
Speaker 2: wasn't funny because rhyme, but because no one knew Frozen yet,
Speaker 2: because people forget Frozen was one of the slowest burden.
Speaker 1: It was a slow bird in history because it might
Speaker 1: as well have been a fucking rustic book report the
Speaker 1: way you were like trying to burn the pages at
Speaker 1: the stove at the fireplace. Slow. It was the Pirates
Speaker 1: of Caribbean. Uh huh, of that's a slow bird. That
Speaker 1: ride is a slow bird. That ride could take upwards
Speaker 1: if they're a half hour. Sometimes if the boats aren't
Speaker 1: going quick, you'll be sitting with the pirates for a
Speaker 1: really long time. Oh yeah, I hope you like Yoho Ho.
Speaker 1: Hope you like Yoho Ho and a woman chasing a
Speaker 1: pirate around with a rolling pin. Yeah, I hope you
Speaker 1: like girl Boss energy because we're sitting on pirates and
Speaker 1: Frozen is the beginning of girl Boss. Where were you
Speaker 1: when you first heard the amazing song Let It Go?
Speaker 1: I was with you. I think I think we went
Speaker 1: to go see it together. We did.
Speaker 2: I saw it with gay guys. I saw it with kids,
Speaker 2: and then I saw it with the general public on
Speaker 2: a plane.
Speaker 1: And what was your favorite viewing experience? Well, the gay
Speaker 1: guys okay, a us huh, we saw it. I think
Speaker 1: like the first week it came out, can we people
Speaker 1: were not gagged. I left the theater being like that
Speaker 1: was okay. Yeah, Well, you're famously a tangled entangled girl
Speaker 1: through Yeah, I'm a frozen girl. You have else the
Speaker 1: hair period period.
Speaker 2: I'm definitely also coated, which is tough for me as
Speaker 2: the Hona of our friendship.
Speaker 1: I know I was gonna say, I feel like we've
Speaker 1: always been. You've been the Hona. I'm still the ana.
Speaker 1: Uh huh, guy, Say a rose any other thorn? A
Speaker 1: rose by any other bud? What is the name? A
Speaker 1: rose by any other name? I like as any other thorn.
Speaker 1: I mean, Frozen is ten things they hate about you
Speaker 1: the musical. Say that again. Frozen is ten things they
Speaker 1: hate about you the musical one more time. Frozen is
Speaker 1: Taming of the Shrew of the musical.
Speaker 2: There you go, and that's real culture. Frozen one number forty.
Speaker 2: Frozen is the show of the music.
Speaker 1: It's like, you can't date until your sister does, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're dead ass. I'm dead ass.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget how happy I was for Aunta when
Speaker 2: the gates finally opens.
Speaker 1: Uh huh. When she sang finally they're opening up the gates,
Speaker 1: I said, is that the song it's called for? The
Speaker 1: finally they are? I'm so happy girl. I'm gonna shake
Speaker 1: my ass and sit on some visiting dick. That's what
Speaker 1: Anna said. Anna said, I'm so happy that I get
Speaker 1: to see some dick. We had kinds of dick coming
Speaker 1: into Erindale. Open up the goal, Open up the gates.
Speaker 1: Frozen became the second animated film after Toy Story three
Speaker 1: to gross one billion dollars and became the highest grossing
Speaker 1: animated film at release. Congrats congrats to her. I think
Speaker 1: Frozen two beat that record. Later Frozen did suck, although
Speaker 1: I will say you'd had some bops. Still haven't seen,
Speaker 1: Still haven't seen. Top grossing film Frozen internationally, iron Man three, Domestic,
Speaker 1: Who Cares? Okay? Best Picture Oscar twelve years of Slave
Speaker 1: nine nominations. This was the beginning of Lupida. Yes. The
Speaker 1: Best Picture win made McQueen the first black British producer
Speaker 1: to ever received the award, and the first black British
Speaker 1: director of a Best Picture winner. Okay, let's look at it,
Speaker 1: because Okay, there are these handy tables now on some
Speaker 1: of these that I think we should be bringing to
Speaker 1: the rest of the years that we do. Toy was
Speaker 1: a slave. I'm seeing a lot of American hustle. Gravity.
Speaker 1: I was with you. Did we see gravity together? I
Speaker 1: believe we did. I love gravity. I love gravity so much.
Speaker 1: I think at the ending all the time, I never
Speaker 1: want to see that movie again.
Speaker 2: I don't think I could sit through it one more time.
Speaker 2: And it's so funny to me, Like sometimes I will
Speaker 2: catch people watching gravity on a plane. Why any movie
Speaker 2: about an air disaster on a plane? I just want
Speaker 2: to know what that person's like lifestyle is, Like what
Speaker 2: got them to this point where they are okay and
Speaker 2: can spiritually and physically maintain composure? When you're watching shit
Speaker 2: explode in the air and a woman carene through space?
Speaker 1: Is it like when I'm eating my lunch and I'm
Speaker 1: watching YouTube of a recipe of another dish, I think,
Speaker 1: so okay, but it's not as dangerous. It's not as
Speaker 1: dangerous like when people watch that shit in the air.
Speaker 1: I'm like, what is going on. Maybe it comforts them
Speaker 1: because they're like, well, it can't be as bad as this.
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm gagged for this Keanu Reeves movie that
Speaker 1: he's making, which is why it's called The Entertainment System
Speaker 1: Is Down. It's it's a fucking thriller on a plane,
Speaker 1: and like chaos ensues when the entertainment system on the
Speaker 1: plane goes down, no one can watch movies and everyone
Speaker 1: goes crazy. Wow, isn't that a great And that's like
Speaker 1: and it's like an actual grounded But I think it's action.
Speaker 1: I think it's like it's like a stake's on a
Speaker 1: plane thing. I love the title. It's called the Entertainment
Speaker 1: System Is Down. Oh I love Isn't that great?
Speaker 2: That's really good because that would be use for serious
Speaker 2: concern I would jump into action.
Speaker 1: Probably made by Boeing. Okay, this was so Dallas. This
Speaker 1: was the maconnaissance. This isis this was the one we
Speaker 1: were in the heart of the mconnaissance. I suppose it
Speaker 1: was Dallas Buyer's Club. It was True Detective, it was Interstellar.
Speaker 1: There was that period Lincoln Lawyer. Yeah, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's one. Yeah, us not lost coach talking about Lincoln.
Speaker 1: I know, know, and let's keep going blue jazzmine Okay, Lynchet.
Speaker 1: This was the iconic moment of Jennifer Lawrence falling at
Speaker 1: the Oscars, a moment that was nominated at the Lost
Speaker 1: Culture Words.
Speaker 2: Yes, Jennifer most shocking moment, the most shocking moment in
Speaker 2: his She went down, our girl down, but she got
Speaker 2: up and won. Not only does she get up, she
Speaker 2: got up and she won and she won. Honey, remember
Speaker 2: when One Direction was a band? I do, so does
Speaker 2: everyone in twenty thirteen, because guess what was the best
Speaker 2: selling album of twenty thirteen, Midnight Memory Midnight Memories by
Speaker 2: One Direction. Name one song from it.
Speaker 1: So we danced on that to the best song ever?
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's actually good. You could do that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Lost Culture is this culture?
Speaker 2: I definitely remember at least three other songs in One Direction,
Speaker 2: such as they want to Steal Maga remember that one
Speaker 2: and also even when the night changes.
Speaker 1: This is the story of my life, This is love,
Speaker 1: story of my Little Black Dress is great. That Little
Speaker 1: Black Dress is like a fucking third night blind song.
Speaker 1: You think this way the fuck just just did in
Speaker 1: the room? Did it?
Speaker 3: Did it? Oh?
Speaker 1: This is actually a great name. What's the what is
Speaker 1: the that's one direction, there's one that's some I like,
Speaker 1: what is that? You're gonna have to do better than that? Uh?
Speaker 2: You know you guys know listening in the car wherever
Speaker 2: you are, you know the one direction starts like this,
Speaker 2: brownounound bound bound pound girl.
Speaker 1: You can come on, he was a kid. No, don't
Speaker 1: throw me off, girl, I don't want to say yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: hold on and let me kiss you. There it is,
Speaker 1: I got it you guys. I just threw myself across
Speaker 1: the room. No, but you were I think you were
Speaker 1: mixing two different songs up kiss you and like I
Speaker 1: never thought it's so bad.
Speaker 2: No, you literally gave me a hot at tag. I'm
Speaker 2: telling you no, Brown, let me here. I'm literally going
Speaker 2: to show you how right I am. And I think
Speaker 2: I'm even in key.
Speaker 1: Darcy Cardon is livid right now that we don't know this.
Speaker 1: Kiss you one direct? No, I know, kiss you Okay, ready,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but did I slay? I just want to wait,
Speaker 1: come on, this is great somewhere Katie Gavin Fermuna is
Speaker 1: like I think Matt has perfect pitch. You're going to
Speaker 1: die a compliment that I'll never like. Of course, that
Speaker 1: you will never let go. Okay. This is also the
Speaker 1: year of her Best Screenplay Adapted and Original that can't
Speaker 1: be right. Oh no, it was the Best Original Screenplay winner.
Speaker 1: Of course, I was like adapted, I loved her. I
Speaker 1: loved her. Of course, I'm the only faggot in America
Speaker 1: who thinks that. Excuse me, I just said, I know
Speaker 1: that's not an original thought. Best Original Song, Mandela Ordinary
Speaker 1: Love see like this is when?
Speaker 3: Oh no.
Speaker 1: At the Academy Awards.
Speaker 2: The Record of the Year was to Get Lucky by
Speaker 2: Daft Punk, which I don't necessarily get. And then the
Speaker 2: Album of the Year was Random Access Memories. Oh this
Speaker 2: was the year that Taylor's Red was beat.
Speaker 1: This was the year that Taylor's read because when they
Speaker 1: read and the grammy goes to like there was a
Speaker 1: split second re use. If you can see Taylor's face,
Speaker 1: She's like, she thinks she's gonna win.
Speaker 2: They heard the r Yeah, they sure did, crushing And
Speaker 2: then it was Random Access Memories, which kind of came
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. Also, the song of the Year was
Speaker 2: Royal by Lord, and let's just say I love melodrama,
Speaker 2: but for me, pure Heroin by Lord is an important oh,
Speaker 2: of course it is.
Speaker 3: That's Lore for me. That's that's Lord. It's Lord. It's
Speaker 3: Lord Lare, Lord Lor. Well, let's just say pure Heroin
Speaker 3: is that herold is Lord lor Pure Heroin is Lord Lare.
Speaker 1: And I just remember being in my last semester of
Speaker 1: college mm hmm high all the time when worlds came out. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh I remember, yes, I was right there with you
Speaker 1: girl and just stomping the streets. It was like the
Speaker 1: last semester of college and I was in the West
Speaker 1: Village just like walking around, like listening to like four
Speaker 1: hundred Lucks. Huh. I love pure Heroin, Pure Heroin in
Speaker 1: that first Charlie XCX album True Romance, those were like
Speaker 1: that was all I was listening to. I mean to say,
Speaker 1: nothing of art pop. We'll get so, we'll get to
Speaker 1: art pop. There was so I mean, this year, this
Speaker 1: is the babe, gave it okay, and then let's see
Speaker 1: what else. Best New Artist Malcolmore and Ryan Lewis. Other
Speaker 1: nominees included Casey Musgraves, Ed Sheeron, James Blake, and Kendrick Lamar.
Speaker 1: I don't think we got this one right. I don't know.
Speaker 1: We love Macklmore, though I don't know if.
Speaker 2: We love Macklamore enough to comfortably sit here and be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's fine that he beat Kendrick Lamar and Casey Musgraves
Speaker 2: and even ed sheeron to be honest, even James Blake,
Speaker 2: I mean definitely James Blake. You know, I was at
Speaker 2: the Do Lab last year at Coachella when James Blake
Speaker 2: did drop and said, the what lab. It's called the
Speaker 2: do Lab. It's where you go to see surprise drop ins.
Speaker 2: That's at Coachella.
Speaker 1: And I was there and in lab they should and
Speaker 1: you know, Jamila was there vibing how she dole. We
Speaker 1: love you girl. Let's talk about art pop. Where were you?
Speaker 1: I was in the airport in Beijing. You were, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's very art populo. We were visiting China and on
Speaker 1: the way back in November, it had dropped. Our pop
Speaker 1: came into our lives and we're in time on another
Speaker 1: album later. But that was you know me, I was
Speaker 1: still caping for Gaga at her lowest moment, when everyone
Speaker 1: else had left her behind.
Speaker 2: Her lowest moment was when she could barely get the
Speaker 2: plane that she became off the ground. It was Lani
Speaker 2: technically Atlantis. Technically there was a higher moment than usual
Speaker 2: because she was inches off the ground, but it was
Speaker 2: a low point. She got into a full space suit,
Speaker 2: did a press conference in her spacesuit while her helmet
Speaker 2: was in one arm, saying I'm so excited to be
Speaker 2: the first flying woman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did not say that, but she said, I
Speaker 1: this is history. This is the first flying dress.
Speaker 2: Yes you missed that. Raw, Lady Goga rules. And I
Speaker 2: believe this is also the era where she got vomited on.
Speaker 1: Well, that was twenty fourteen at south By, so that
Speaker 1: was after the album came out, so that doesn't technically
Speaker 1: fall under this. See that was twenty fourteen at south By.
Speaker 1: I'm telling you I know this era like the back
Speaker 1: of my hand.
Speaker 2: This was a really I remember when everyone was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't know, Lady Goga lost it. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: are you talking about. I'm the rich bitch, I'm the
Speaker 2: upper class. Come on, give some respect, Like, don't react
Speaker 2: quickly to this shit. Let things marinate.
Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying, because in twelve years you're
Speaker 1: gonna be gagged by donal Tella. I think you know
Speaker 1: what's cool, Try and think about like, however, you can
Speaker 1: have metacognition, think about like the way you're thinking about
Speaker 1: things and be like, let me think ahead, girl, let
Speaker 1: me let me extrapolate a little bit. Strap ar pop.
Speaker 1: Where were you talk about your experience with her? I
Speaker 1: was on the subway. Okay, this was subway gig, like
Speaker 1: this was I remember you were subway gigging back then
Speaker 1: a lot, and I.
Speaker 2: Remember like this album took over. I think this actually
Speaker 2: was one of the first albums I had like fully
Speaker 2: downloaded on Spotify. I remember at this time, like I
Speaker 2: finally got Spotify and was like paying for like the
Speaker 2: version where you could like download songs and stuff, and
Speaker 2: I'm making my little play and I think it was
Speaker 2: one of the first albums I downloaded on Spotify.
Speaker 1: But g u I Sex Dreams, I'll sell it again, dope, dope,
Speaker 1: any more than our engineer freaking out having a heart attack,
Speaker 1: like truly panicked. Do what you want, now, what you want.
Speaker 1: It's so annoying the legacy of that song because it
Speaker 1: is such a hit. There is always the Christina version. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is always that version. The version now, the version
Speaker 1: now I will stay at the as Gaga fucking tour
Speaker 1: and R Kelly was there as the President. It's a
Speaker 1: tough one. Gaga played President Kelly's secretary, President Kelly's secrecretary
Speaker 1: at the AMS where like she's at her desk President
Speaker 1: Kelly's office the White House. Yes, yes, I'll let him know.
Speaker 1: Then she gets a call hello, mister President, I want
Speaker 1: you and my desk in two minutes or whatever it was,
Speaker 1: and then she does this whole thing. I'm like, yes, sir,
Speaker 1: and then she starts to like primp and primp and
Speaker 1: prim and I remember this, and then she was black
Speaker 1: and white, right, No, she was in a gold dress,
Speaker 1: and then she goes into the Oval Office and does
Speaker 1: a whole dance and then the Oval office that melts
Speaker 1: away and she like goes and climbs the top a
Speaker 1: piano and starts screaming. And then it ended in a ballad, right,
Speaker 1: and then it was a ballad version of do what
Speaker 1: you Want. And then it was just news. It was headlines.
Speaker 1: It was very reputation, pre reputation. It was newspaper articles
Speaker 1: that said every headline was Lady Gaga is fast. Let
Speaker 1: these women be nuts. I'm telling you because then you
Speaker 1: get this, you love it, lady puts you will love it. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, lady guy. She was going through a very
Speaker 1: hard time. And I don't mean to laugh, but it
Speaker 1: is like it is that song is so unfortunate, like
Speaker 1: it is honist because of the r Kelly thing, Like
Speaker 1: the album is really tough for Gaga. I think she
Speaker 1: really doesn't remember it. I think we should believe her
Speaker 1: when she says she doesn't remember our pop. I don't
Speaker 1: remember our people. She will. I don't think she will perform.
Speaker 1: It will be decades before she performs a song from
Speaker 1: that album live. Did she not do applause? Do any art?
Speaker 1: Pop ecrematicaball? Wow? Yeah, I guess she didn't. She really
Speaker 1: doesn't like that time in her life. I don't think whoa,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't mean to make light of that.
Speaker 1: I don't mean to laugh at that, but I mean
Speaker 1: for me, as a little monster, as a fan, I
Speaker 1: do go like I stuck with her in that time
Speaker 1: and I have not earned my stripes or anything, but
Speaker 1: like that just means to me, like I love this
Speaker 1: woman till the day I die. There's no question she
Speaker 1: is our favorite celebrity. Lady Gaga is fat like all
Speaker 1: across and like because I mean it was a crazy
Speaker 1: time and like she'd put on a little weight and
Speaker 1: everyone like melted down. That was still the end.
Speaker 2: I don't know, well, this tabloid ra is still ongoing.
Speaker 2: I mean blah blah blah. But like it was the
Speaker 2: last time that like people could really they get away
Speaker 2: with saying ship like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was.
Speaker 2: That was like a moment where it was probably what
Speaker 2: was being said about her in papers more reputable than
Speaker 2: we remember.
Speaker 1: Yesh, it was like so killing crazy making your daily
Speaker 1: mails and should still say that kind of thing? Okay?
Speaker 2: And then Venus we have to just say, Venus, ve
Speaker 2: shout out. We all remember where we were, have respect.
Speaker 2: Venus know that we've performed that live many times.
Speaker 1: Yes, I think a companion piece to our pop is
Speaker 1: Prison by Katy Perry.
Speaker 2: I love Prison by Katy Perry. And anyone who thinks
Speaker 2: the second half of Prism doesn't go all the way
Speaker 2: off is not listening. Use your fucking ears and listen
Speaker 2: to the second half of Prism. Now, adult contemporary was
Speaker 2: heard on this album and the bops were bopping.
Speaker 1: Did you have a radio station in Long Island that
Speaker 1: whereas Yes, called cozy in Colorado was called cozy one
Speaker 1: on one. For us, it was called like Star, but
Speaker 1: it was like Star ninety nine point nine. It was
Speaker 1: like adult contemper Yes, and okay, so maybe you had
Speaker 1: this woman, iconic Delilah. Of course we had Delilah, Delilah, Delahilah.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, I need to write this down. I
Speaker 1: need to go home, smoke a fat joint and listen
Speaker 1: to old Delilah clips. It's just her be It's literally like, Hi,
Speaker 1: how are you. I'm okay, Delilah. My husband has been
Speaker 1: at war for six years. That's so hard. It must
Speaker 1: be very lonely. It really is, Delilah, And I just
Speaker 1: want to know that things will get better. They will.
Speaker 1: I have a good song for you. It's like I'm
Speaker 1: a already there. Look around.
Speaker 2: It's like giving a loan, literally, like maybe this is
Speaker 2: like a show we should do, yes, just like comforting
Speaker 2: radio DJs who are.
Speaker 1: Fucked up and the post apocalypse, Like the world is done,
Speaker 1: and yet these two people are still like I'm so sorry.
Speaker 1: Delilah was a legend period. I hope she's well, I
Speaker 1: hope she what's going on tonight? Huh, she's on TikTok.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, what answered people's question. She's still on
Speaker 1: the radio. Hum Old already there today you can look around.
Speaker 1: I said, you better eat, talk more about prism.
Speaker 2: One of the greatest songs of all times. Birthday, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, yes, actual birthday.
Speaker 1: Yes this year. Yes, that's so good. You precious soul.
Speaker 1: You went you seasonalized? You really do. I mean your
Speaker 1: birthday should be a holiday, and like you should have
Speaker 1: a song at the reading, and there should be a
Speaker 1: playlist and Birthday by Katy Perry should be on it
Speaker 1: absolutely booming you with me.
Speaker 2: Wait, I now know I don't think so honey, up
Speaker 2: has to do with prism? Okay, oh give you Itay,
Speaker 2: I'm so happy. You know what that feeling when you
Speaker 2: find out you're I don't think so honey and you're
Speaker 2: like so happy.
Speaker 1: Make it like you bedday every day.
Speaker 2: Also, you know what time, I didn't like it first,
Speaker 2: but then I ended up being like, oh, I guess
Speaker 2: I do like it because I kind of have to
Speaker 2: dark Horse.
Speaker 1: I still am not so hot on dark dark Horse
Speaker 1: all these years later. What else was good? This is
Speaker 1: how we do. Yeah, this is hell we do. Never forget.
Speaker 1: I don't it's a weird album, so cuckoo, it's a
Speaker 1: cuckoo album and the tough live performances of that. But
Speaker 1: I do love unconditionally. I have a lot and this
Speaker 1: has to do with don't get to a from there
Speaker 1: because I have a lot to say about it. And
Speaker 1: then the big one Beyonce by Beyonce started it all,
Speaker 1: started it all. I actually don't think I have no
Speaker 1: this is this is not true, but like it's up
Speaker 1: there for me with albums of Laura in my life
Speaker 1: where I'm like that change shit like that was a
Speaker 1: like a marked change in like the way I felt
Speaker 1: number one her music, like everything. I was just like
Speaker 1: so blown away by what the fucks she did?
Speaker 2: Every song I fucking love, like I guess for me,
Speaker 2: if I had to say a standout, it's still Jealous, Jealous.
Speaker 1: I listened to Jealous every day all day, like it
Speaker 1: was really I'm sorry. I hear my sister say I
Speaker 1: listened to Jealous every day all day.
Speaker 2: I go, I don't if that's true. It's not true,
Speaker 2: but at the time I listened to it a lot.
Speaker 2: I see I see remember iTunes for you have like
Speaker 2: your top twenty five play.
Speaker 1: Song and you'd see the count. Ooh, that's tough.
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: The thousands of times I listened to Jealous, it was
Speaker 2: like far and away my number one an album I
Speaker 2: listened to constantly, Like but that one song, I don't
Speaker 2: think I ever just got through it once.
Speaker 1: I would always have to replay it. What is it
Speaker 1: about that song? I think that's the kind of music
Speaker 1: I hope to make. Want is like I think you
Speaker 1: have made bite full like emotional pop. The production on
Speaker 1: that is so good, just like that's every Christmas Eve.
Speaker 1: Coded Oh my god, that's so kind of you, it's
Speaker 1: every Christmas Eve. I feel as though you're not wrong. No,
Speaker 1: I'm not. I know I'm not. I wouldn't say it.
Speaker 2: I would also say, just like Beyonce, occupying that lyrical
Speaker 2: space of like, how fucking dare you?
Speaker 1: Like? How much I like cook this for naked, this
Speaker 1: meal for you, naked? Where the hell you at? Uh huh?
Speaker 1: I wish that you were me so you could feel
Speaker 1: this feeling. I never broke one promise, and I know
Speaker 1: when you're not honest. Now you got me yelling that's
Speaker 1: because I'm jealous.
Speaker 2: When she said I'm coming for you, but also I'm
Speaker 2: backing off like that is tough to pull off on
Speaker 2: a song, just like, yeah, you think it's gonna be
Speaker 2: one thing, because it is one thing, and then the
Speaker 2: reveal of the underlying emotion you.
Speaker 1: Know what song also does this? What be careful Cardi B.
Speaker 1: It's like, don't do this because why I do this
Speaker 1: is vulnerable. Don't do this vulnerable. I'm getting a shirt
Speaker 1: we're making merch that says, don't do this. I'm vulnerable
Speaker 1: this album. I remember exactly where I was. Obviously, there
Speaker 1: was a midnight drop. You and I were on Facebook Messenger.
Speaker 2: I literally remember for some reason going the iTunes being
Speaker 2: like I wonder and seeing the word beyond saying I
Speaker 2: was like huh. And I texted you and I said,
Speaker 2: You're not gonna believe this. I remember the message you said.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, I can't fucking believe this.
Speaker 2: And then you said the words no, I feel sick.
Speaker 1: I feel sick. I was sick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was unwell, and I remember I didn't sleep
Speaker 2: that night. I had to go into work the next
Speaker 2: day and none of the other waitresses had slept either.
Speaker 1: It was like, what is going on? That was a
Speaker 1: musical monoculture moment. I mean, I just remember watching the
Speaker 1: video for Yance, the video for Partition, the video for
Speaker 1: Blow for Rocket, for all of the I was just
Speaker 1: like everyone. I was just like I am a new being,
Speaker 1: Like I am immediately re arranged because of this album,
Speaker 1: Like I know what to aspire to now, like sexually,
Speaker 1: I know what to aspire to now, like confidence way,
Speaker 1: like yeah, that is like role model aspirational down flow us.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, forget it, like never.
Speaker 2: By the way, this was also the year of the
Speaker 2: red flannel tucked into jean's shorts. And if you weren't
Speaker 2: doing it button to the top tucked into gene shorts,
Speaker 2: you weren't a pop girlly of the time or a
Speaker 2: gay guy trying to give that.
Speaker 1: But it's okay because we teach girls to shrink themselves,
Speaker 1: to make themselves smaller. Period. There's more, but ask Chimamanda
Speaker 1: about that now. The following songs were number one hits
Speaker 1: on the Billboard. Howe anything else to say about Beyonce.
Speaker 2: I mean, so much more to say, but like it
Speaker 2: is what it is. I mean, like it's the defining album.
Speaker 2: The fact that that's an album of the year, loss
Speaker 2: is comical. It's ridiculous. It should have been her first album,
Speaker 2: win Album of the Year Win.
Speaker 1: Blurred Lines was twelve weeks at number one Royals nine weeks,
Speaker 1: very impressive, and I did not put the rest of
Speaker 1: the weeks. I think that's truly okay out of heaven Up.
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about untorthodox cheekbox Sobers on tour for
Speaker 1: that album. He was phenomenal. Yeah, thrift Shop, Harlem Shake,
Speaker 1: just give me a reason. Pink representation very much so
Speaker 1: can't hold us more? Malcolmore roar, bless you, bless you,
Speaker 1: bless you, bless you. Leave that in. I want them
Speaker 1: to know how much I sneeze. I want them to
Speaker 1: know what I go through. I'm crying. Leave that in.
Speaker 1: Do not take it out. No one's pushing back. I
Speaker 1: know the truth. Uh. And Wrecking Ball, Wrecking Ball, fucking
Speaker 1: Rocks TV.
Speaker 2: I think at this time I'm just gonna say was
Speaker 2: boring because the same ship was still dominating. So blah
Speaker 2: blah blah, Breaking Bad, Modern Family. These were all incredible shows,
Speaker 2: but we've just talked about them in other episodes.
Speaker 1: Notable deaths, Oh God, Paul Walker, there's that lou Reed,
Speaker 1: Roger Ebert. That was that was tough too. No, Nelson, Mandela,
Speaker 1: James Gndel Feeni, Oh God, we miss you, we miss you,
Speaker 1: We kiss you. Politically, here's what happened. But Rock Obama
Speaker 1: sworn in for his second term. They say that art
Speaker 1: pop was an Obama era creation. Do you agree?
Speaker 2: Yes, I think that artists felt the most free Obama God,
Speaker 2: the Tea Party shut down the government.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, they really did that. Obamacare flopped. Snowden's NSA
Speaker 1: leaks not great, huh No. Sort of living in a time.
Speaker 4: That was where you know that it's started to unravel,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, that's unravel.
Speaker 2: The last and most important thing that happened in the
Speaker 2: year twenty thirteen was Bowen and I sat down at
Speaker 2: Wapiano and I had Bowen joining our sketch group Poproulette,
Speaker 2: thus changing the course of history.
Speaker 1: Really because you were going to move back today. I
Speaker 1: was going to move back to dinner with my parents.
Speaker 1: I Oh, my sister period saved me. And this is
Speaker 1: I said, come to Vapiano, we have to have a conversation.
Speaker 1: And we hadn't really like hung out in a while. No,
Speaker 1: this was pre Best era, pre bestI era. It was
Speaker 1: still like, oh Matt. Yeah, it was just like good friend,
Speaker 1: Oh Matt, I would love to.
Speaker 2: I hope I see Matt soon. Yeah, And I was like, girl,
Speaker 2: it's time to get lunch. And then we sat down
Speaker 2: and got lunch and.
Speaker 1: Little did you know that there was a destiny was
Speaker 1: there was a poprolette proposal. I said, the group has
Speaker 1: talked and they've decided they want you a girl. They
Speaker 1: want you to be a part of the group. And
Speaker 1: do you know why we asked Food to be a
Speaker 1: part of the group because I left reality show or something. No,
Speaker 1: this was why do you remember when you got on
Speaker 1: that music app and sang set fire to your manner
Speaker 1: to the to the tune of does that still exist?
Speaker 1: Explain what that was? This was an app that pre
Speaker 1: TikTok like TikTok was a merger between two apps, right,
Speaker 1: both were like Chinese apps, or one of them was
Speaker 1: Chinese and like but the other one this is not
Speaker 1: that app, but it was. There was like a a
Speaker 1: genre of app where you could sing karaoke songs and
Speaker 1: record yourself singing. Huh. It was not musically but it
Speaker 1: was like whatever it was, it was called something else
Speaker 1: before musically I think it wasn't that. It wasn't it's
Speaker 1: it's the right thread.
Speaker 2: You're spiritually right, No, no, no, but spiritual like the
Speaker 2: Katie Perry Prism song.
Speaker 1: Okay, well musically was what TikTok was? Right? Yeah, But
Speaker 1: you could like film yourself, like you could record yourself
Speaker 1: and film yourself singing karaoke songs. And I did a
Speaker 1: series where I would pitch up my voice and I
Speaker 1: played this character or as myself. I was like hey,
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, it's Boen and like I'm here
Speaker 1: to sing my cover of like of this is this,
Speaker 1: and like sometimes I would for some reason set fire
Speaker 1: to your manner was me being like so stupid A
Speaker 1: rich guy broke up with me, and I went to
Speaker 1: go burn his house down. But it was a whole manner.
Speaker 1: It was a manner. Where did I get manner from?
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's because you're very creative.
Speaker 2: And it was that creativity and performance capability that earned
Speaker 2: the yas of pop Roulette. And I said, let me
Speaker 2: sit down with him because I know him the best,
Speaker 2: and we'll get him to join the sketch group. Because
Speaker 2: I heard this nasty rumor that you were going to
Speaker 2: leave town. And flee and go back to something like Denver, Colorado,
Speaker 2: like you were Renee Rap or.
Speaker 1: Something like it was Renee Rap. She has this a
Speaker 1: whole song about it. How was your twenty thirteen? Personally?
Speaker 1: My god?
Speaker 2: Like so working in a restaurant pilled like I would work.
Speaker 2: I was working at Ulysses in the financial district, just
Speaker 2: like waiting on everyone who ran our banks and was
Speaker 2: so drunk during the day. Like they would come and
Speaker 2: they would get wasted, and then they would return to
Speaker 2: running our banks. I will never forget how I saw
Speaker 2: some of those men speak to the girls that I
Speaker 2: worked with. I made fine money there, I mean like
Speaker 2: it was. I remember thinking at the time, like I
Speaker 2: have to keep this job because I won't make money elsewhere.
Speaker 2: Like can I say to all servers out there, if
Speaker 2: you are at a restaurant that you don't like working at,
Speaker 2: there's a million other ones.
Speaker 1: I don't do. Not live day to day in a situation.
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be in a situation for even ten minutes
Speaker 2: where you're not happy. The word, in the words of
Speaker 2: Kim katral I was.
Speaker 1: Making a bit. I don't know about there being a
Speaker 1: million restaurants. There are a million.
Speaker 2: I just I remember I stayed like it's a nice
Speaker 2: place like whatever, but like I remember management change. Again,
Speaker 2: this was like over ten years ago now, so like
Speaker 2: it's like everyone's different, but like that thing happened where
Speaker 2: I was like, you had like a good fun job
Speaker 2: and then management change and like things changed, and you know,
Speaker 2: we started like to do other things. And I was
Speaker 2: just like it was really wearing on me how disgusting
Speaker 2: the guys were that would come in.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course I left because it was just
Speaker 1: getting so like corporatety all around me, and I was
Speaker 1: just like this is gross and I wasn't making good
Speaker 1: enough money and just like the financial district is not
Speaker 1: where the cream of the crop is. Well, fight I return,
Speaker 1: you think fight, I I don't just like fight, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like I used to go there and I liked it,
Speaker 2: Like I loved, you know, the cobblestone streets, and I
Speaker 2: liked a lot of the restaurants down there, Like by
Speaker 2: the way, there's I don't know if it's still there,
Speaker 2: but there was a pizza place called Adrian's next door
Speaker 2: that was like so slay, and like I did have
Speaker 2: a lot of good memories working now, like you would
Speaker 2: come visit me.
Speaker 1: I worked with a lot of really cool girls there.
Speaker 2: I recently went back and some people were still working there,
Speaker 2: which was like so great to see them. And you know,
Speaker 2: but I remember I would work Monday nights from seven
Speaker 2: pm to four am. Oh yes, and there would be
Speaker 2: no one there, but we pulled the tips, so I'd
Speaker 2: make all this like hourly money from working from seven
Speaker 2: to four am on.
Speaker 1: A Monday night. Yeah, yeah, till literally four I can't believe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there were Oh but this was Brooklyn Crab days. Never mind,
Speaker 1: I'm getting it. I'm getting ahead of myself. The Brooklyn
Speaker 1: Crab days comes soon after. But the Brooklyn Crab days,
Speaker 1: and we've talked about on this pod before, but there
Speaker 1: were a couple of nights where you would be over
Speaker 1: served at Brooklyn Crab at your job because you'd stick
Speaker 1: around after work and you would call me drunk and
Speaker 1: be like, boh and get me an uber now because
Speaker 1: I didn't have uber uber on my phone. I don't
Speaker 1: know why. I think it was just I don't know,
Speaker 1: And I would do it for you, and that's how
Speaker 1: much I love you. That was back in the day.
Speaker 2: Would go on, well, you wouldn't, but Sudi would make
Speaker 2: my PDFs, and you would call my ubers study would
Speaker 2: make your PDFs because you were convinced that you cannot
Speaker 2: make them on your computer, on your Mac computer because
Speaker 2: there was a virus.
Speaker 1: Because there was a virus. I was convinced. I was
Speaker 1: convinced that. I don't know. I still think this day,
Speaker 1: I think something was going on there. I just mean,
Speaker 1: I hope one day that we all go to Fight
Speaker 1: I again for a fun party like China Chalet was
Speaker 1: kind of a nice moment, did you No, I don't
Speaker 1: think I ever.
Speaker 2: Want we could go down to Fight Eye and have
Speaker 2: a party whenever we want. It's just like the type
Speaker 2: of character you might run into down there is like
Speaker 2: it's always usually tough. I'm gonna call it very mask
Speaker 2: Bridge and Tunnel, I'm telling you. Like these guys from
Speaker 2: like the banks would come in when they're like khaki
Speaker 2: pants with their big old butts, and they would like
Speaker 2: be so nasty.
Speaker 1: And just like talk. I just I saw so many
Speaker 1: of my colleagues be called like the C word. Oh God,
Speaker 1: like our friend I won't say who who I got
Speaker 1: a job there had this horrible experience where she told
Speaker 1: the customer that we didn't sell cigarettes because he was wasted.
Speaker 1: Came up, like you always sell cigarettes, and she's like,
Speaker 1: we don't have cigarettes. They have it at the gazebo
Speaker 1: around the corner, and he called her the sea word
Speaker 1: in such a vicious, violent way that I was just like.
Speaker 1: It wasn't long after that that I left. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't even want to be fucking around this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like it's so gross.
Speaker 2: And those guys feel so entitled because they make the
Speaker 2: money that they make, and like, you know, like it's
Speaker 2: just I don't know. I hate these guys living in
Speaker 2: the fucking high life down there and treating people like that.
Speaker 1: I help all of them suffer. Suffer well. Time froun't
Speaker 1: think so honey, time think so honey. This is I
Speaker 1: don't think, sony. This is where we take one minute
Speaker 1: to go off on something in culture. Let's see, Oh
Speaker 1: I do have something. I have something, and let's go
Speaker 1: with you, all right, let's go with me. And we
Speaker 1: both previewed her. I don't think so Honey's yeah, this
Speaker 1: is Matt Rogers. I don't think so many time starts now, I.
Speaker 2: Don't think so honey. Anyone taking an issue with the
Speaker 2: pronunciation in the song Unconditionally by Katie Perry to stop
Speaker 2: with your unconditionally. First of all, it is a gorgeous song.
Speaker 2: It is a gorgeous ballad for me, and I feel
Speaker 2: like a lot of people can't get over the pronunciation.
Speaker 1: Get over it.
Speaker 2: She had to say it like that so it would
Speaker 2: work in meter. Okay, what would you rather not have
Speaker 2: the song? It's one of the greatest songs in the
Speaker 2: twenty first century. No, no, who could forget her? Performances
Speaker 2: of the song live all problematic, all problematic in nature.
Speaker 2: I swear to God I heard her say, with an
Speaker 2: Asian accent, the word unconditionally.
Speaker 1: No, I'm kidding. She never did that.
Speaker 2: She only ever did everything about board Katy Perry fifteen seconds.
Speaker 2: She's one of the great artists of our time. Unconditionally
Speaker 2: is a ballad that I will have playing at my
Speaker 2: wedding on repeat. Don't worry every when I'm not getting married. No,
Speaker 2: I'll probably get married. I don't think i'll have kids though,
Speaker 2: But when I do get married, just know I will
Speaker 2: love them unconditionally.
Speaker 1: And that's one minute. She should have done it like this.
Speaker 1: Go ahead and show us uncondition. No, you look at
Speaker 1: there is nothing wrong with unconditionally uncondition. No. I know
Speaker 1: it sounds bad. It is bad, but that's how it's
Speaker 1: how the word's condition. There's nothing wrong with that. There's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. And guess what if there is
Speaker 1: something a little bit fucked up about it, that's what
Speaker 1: makes it memorable and pop. That's what makes Katy Perry
Speaker 1: pop in the top ten of the Iconic four hundred.
Speaker 1: I we did not agree on that, but I guess
Speaker 1: it's I guess it's etched in stone. Top she might
Speaker 1: be top.
Speaker 2: Tenazy the Iconic four hundred is coming number four hundred, No,
Speaker 2: we can't say. I don't think we've said who four
Speaker 2: hundred is yet. Yeah, I don't think we've said it. No,
Speaker 2: the name that we're gonna say is social number four
Speaker 2: hundred is so shocking and it will set the tone
Speaker 2: for an amazing list. Yes, okay, all right, this upcoming
Speaker 2: is and I think I see him formulating an idea
Speaker 2: right now, sort of. Okay, this is Bowen Yang's I
Speaker 2: don't think Zhanni, are you ready? Yes, his time starts now.
Speaker 2: I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Money posting lyrics on a story, posting lyrics to be
Speaker 1: like it's it is lacking an extremely important component, which
Speaker 1: is the music, which is the production. If it's hip hop,
Speaker 1: you need you need the track underneath it for it
Speaker 1: to make sense. I don't think we should encourage this.
Speaker 1: I don't want to participate in it personally. If you're
Speaker 1: doing it, no problem, But it's always tough a second
Speaker 1: either way you slice it. If you're doing it to
Speaker 1: be like, look at how genius this is, it's always
Speaker 1: tough to be like, oh yeah, I guess. So if
Speaker 1: you're doing it to be able to look how stupid
Speaker 1: it is, it's like, well you're that's that's not fair.
Speaker 1: So I think until we find a way to like
Speaker 1: package a song snippet that we like in a way
Speaker 1: that is digestible to a social media feed, then great.
Speaker 1: I also don't care about what seems digestible to social
Speaker 1: media feed. Let's all lean off. I'm gonna be the
Speaker 1: first person to say social media is bad. That's one minute.
Speaker 1: That's one minute.
Speaker 2: First of all, do you know how stupid like any
Speaker 2: Beatles song would look if you just posted the lyrics
Speaker 2: like and put them out there and like you laugh
Speaker 2: them out? She loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, you wouldn't.
Speaker 2: You'd be like, lol, these are the greatest pop songwriters
Speaker 2: of all time. Actually, yes that was true. Yes, I
Speaker 2: just think it's so stupid too to be like, oh,
Speaker 2: let me like screen grab these lyrics just so I
Speaker 2: can say, like what, how bad this artist is on
Speaker 2: the whole, or like how overrated she is. It's just
Speaker 2: like there's someone cool, like shut the fuck up. I
Speaker 2: don't know, like I don't have like an intelligent thought
Speaker 2: about this. And it's like, okay, yeah, gotcha. Those words
Speaker 2: put together like look stupid, isolated and like you said,
Speaker 2: without context, like cool, it's a song.
Speaker 1: It's a song. I've just seen.
Speaker 2: I've seen like a lot of like people who just
Speaker 2: are hell bent on every single time Taylor Swift does
Speaker 2: anything like finding a way to sort of prove that
Speaker 2: all this success and impact she has is like a
Speaker 2: fluke or like that it's unearned or something. And it's
Speaker 2: like they just bend over backwards to try to make
Speaker 2: that point, and it's always so sweaty. It's like, okay,
Speaker 2: so did you, like you you didn't just casually find this,
Speaker 2: You went out of your way in this quote unquote
Speaker 2: dense densely lyrical thing to find these embarrassing quote unquote
Speaker 2: cringe lyrics and post them and like to prove what
Speaker 2: point that you are better than everyone?
Speaker 1: Okay, they might be, they might be, they might be. Well,
Speaker 1: this has been an amazing episode of Lost Culture.
Speaker 2: Tortured, Tortured Podcast Department. But don't we say title of app?
Speaker 1: Title of that was? There was one?
Speaker 2: Well, I guess now we have to make a tactical decision.
Speaker 2: Do we call it the Tortured Podcast Department and get
Speaker 2: million streams? Or do we call it something else? No,
Speaker 2: we had we had something else, but well, the numbers
Speaker 2: are down. We'll listen back to it. Oh no, stop,
Speaker 2: we're not doing.
Speaker 1: Numbers are down for Last Culture. We're not doing this.
Speaker 1: We just want a webbing. Yeah, let's hopefully the webby
Speaker 1: ticks us up. But yeah, we saw something. If you
Speaker 1: didn't tune in last week, we saw that. We felt that.
Speaker 1: Oh stop, I'm not looking at the numbers you are.
Speaker 1: I'm a metrics queen, I know, and I am glad.
Speaker 1: All I know is our most polarizing episode ever. It
Speaker 1: was a huge hit, So maybe we should start fucking
Speaker 1: burning it down. Okay, come in here, no fucks to give,
Speaker 1: no life to live, no fucks to give, no life
Speaker 1: to live. What was our most successful episode? Oh oh oh, Our.
Speaker 2: Most successful episode of all time is Great Americans with Tina.
Speaker 2: But what one episode that like crushed was One and
Speaker 2: a Half Fuck, which Sunshine review and Recap, which had
Speaker 2: the girls sure twisting, turning, tossing, yeah, yeah, yeah, and totally.
Speaker 1: I mean. All I'll say is I continue to stand
Speaker 1: by what I've said. One of my favorite albums of
Speaker 1: the year.
Speaker 2: I love every word, love the artists, love and love
Speaker 2: and love all the girls out there who have something
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 1: You are and so you I'd have to say, is
Speaker 1: all you Sarah's and Hannah's you like? But Daddy I
Speaker 1: love him.
Speaker 2: If you want to know how I feel about y'all
Speaker 2: and the way you feel about One and a half
Speaker 2: Fuck episode, just listen and go go stream.
Speaker 1: But Daddy, I love him. We end every episode with
Speaker 1: a song I having say, No, I'm not, but you
Speaker 1: should see your faces. Everyone stopped. Go stream. Torture Poet
Speaker 1: Spot