WEBVTT - Diederich Bader

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<v Speaker 1>This is me, Craig Ferguson.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm inviting you to come and see my brand new

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<v Speaker 2>a half and I don't have an opener because these

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<v Speaker 2>My name is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>is Joy. I talk to interest in people about what

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<v Speaker 2>brings them happiness. Here's d Drich Bader, a great actor

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<v Speaker 2>who's been in everything you've ever liked.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not kidding, wasn't it this enjoy when d drig

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<v Speaker 1>qwen I yes, I know, yeah, it's not about me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's about you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about you, and I'm just I will say no

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<v Speaker 2>it is because I want to tell I want to

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<v Speaker 2>start with this because when we were working together on

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<v Speaker 2>the Drew Carey Show, and you were paying oswood Lee Harvey,

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<v Speaker 2>which is still maybe the best name for a characters.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's great. We gotta laugh every time. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>because it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's stupid and funny and stupid and funny gets funnier

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<v Speaker 2>the longer you say. But oswood Lee Harvey, which is

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<v Speaker 2>on a par with count Al you card as a

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<v Speaker 2>stupid name.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were playing that fairly early on in the run.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm going to say, because you were the only

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<v Speaker 2>person that I had heard of when I started that show,

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<v Speaker 2>because you had done the Beverly Hillbillies, played Jeth Throw

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<v Speaker 2>in the Beverly Hill Billies.

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<v Speaker 1>And you were really good at it. Well, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was a hit movie, wasn't it.

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<v Speaker 3>No, that was a bomb, Otherwise I wouldn't have been

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<v Speaker 3>on the Drew care be a major movie star, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you you can be a movie star and

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<v Speaker 2>being a boat. You are a movie star. You were

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<v Speaker 2>in everything.

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<v Speaker 3>No, it didn't make enough money to be attractive to

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<v Speaker 3>hire me. Success breed success, and only people only want

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<v Speaker 3>to be associated with success.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that might explain my life a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>My friends, So people. I see. That's why I have

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<v Speaker 1>no friends, but you you only one i'd heard of.

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<v Speaker 2>And I remember, do you remember when we did the

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<v Speaker 2>full Monty episode of the Drew Carey Show, Yes, of course,

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<v Speaker 2>and we all got naked. Yes, And then we went

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<v Speaker 2>to Las Vegas and Tim Allen's plane, Yes, and everyone

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<v Speaker 2>got trash.

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<v Speaker 3>I got incredibly drush.

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<v Speaker 2>You were the drunkest I like, remember I'm saying this

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm Scottish. You're one of the drunkest people I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that I could stand was. I was amazed

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<v Speaker 1>at how drunk you were.

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<v Speaker 2>But you were like walking around in loud with very

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<v Speaker 2>scary eyes. Yeah, you were very scary dancing. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you threw a plastic Boston.

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<v Speaker 1>I was remembering that this morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you threw a bottle off the like the top

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<v Speaker 2>floor of a hotel and it landed on these women

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<v Speaker 2>three stories up. I was like that, and I ever

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<v Speaker 2>said to Kathy, who was the only other person not

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, that could have killed someone. Kathy, she said,

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<v Speaker 2>I know, and then we agreed we were the lamest

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<v Speaker 2>people in Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so well, did you totally took care of me?

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<v Speaker 3>By the way.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way I would have made it into a

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<v Speaker 1>hotel room. I was scared.

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<v Speaker 3>We slept together.

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<v Speaker 1>We didn't well, I was there wasn't a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>sleep in. Nobody slept on. I think I slept a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a couple of hours.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But I mean, how did you guys do that

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<v Speaker 2>given the fact no one was on cocaine as far

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<v Speaker 2>as I knew, or were you guys on cocaine?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, no, so wasn't into drugs just booze.

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<v Speaker 2>No, he was just a boos and not much of

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<v Speaker 2>a boozer really, No, he was kind of a way.

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<v Speaker 3>But Ryan Styles is the Keith Richards of the unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 3>He has a hollow leg.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. He My problem drank?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, My problem was that time and every time

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<v Speaker 3>you did see me drunk was when I tried to

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<v Speaker 3>keep up with Bryan. I'm not blaming. I take responsibility

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<v Speaker 3>for him much. I drank totally, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't see I remember you being drunk that much.

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<v Speaker 3>But every time drunk, because you're saying no, it is

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<v Speaker 3>that I was trying to keep up with them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, just as the kind of a guy thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And once you get into it, then you're like, and

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<v Speaker 3>then he's just pooring and he's fun as you know.

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<v Speaker 1>He's really very, very fun. But here's his trick.

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<v Speaker 2>When he gets drunk, and even when he's not drunk,

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't move that much of you know, it's he just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of, oh my gosh, stands.

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<v Speaker 3>That's totally his trick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Is his trick is he doesn't try and move his legs. No,

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't or even face. Yeah, he just like says

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<v Speaker 2>funny things, little.

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<v Speaker 3>Bit and it's hilarious and it gets funnier and he's

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<v Speaker 3>very improvy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's very good at that. Yeah, he's very good.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you do that Emperor who's laying? Isn't anyway?

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<v Speaker 3>I never did, but I will say, yeah, the funniest

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<v Speaker 3>comedic improvisation that I have ever seen, and I've seen

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<v Speaker 3>a lot, was when we had the final Drew Carey

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<v Speaker 3>show dinner and you were invited. We had it on

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<v Speaker 3>Las Siena at some fancy restaurant. Oh, I got like

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<v Speaker 3>a private it was a private room room. And it

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<v Speaker 3>was at the end of the ninth season, which you

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<v Speaker 3>were not on.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't on that. I was making Saving Grace.

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<v Speaker 3>You were amazing that you showed up, but at that

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<v Speaker 3>point the cast had gotten so fractious. Only Ryan and

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<v Speaker 3>I were speaking to each other. I think Kathy and

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<v Speaker 3>I wish those ye no, no no, but I mean as

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<v Speaker 3>far as everybody that was there, we were still talking

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<v Speaker 3>to Kathy, but there was a lot of acrom It

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<v Speaker 3>was tense. It was like family at that point. It

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<v Speaker 3>was like family. That's my point. And Craig, you were

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<v Speaker 3>so funny. There was something about the awkwardness of the situation.

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<v Speaker 3>You literally were the funniest person. Don't see it speaks

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<v Speaker 3>about this, My wife speaks about this all the time,

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<v Speaker 3>really as being the funniest comedy set anyone has ever done,

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<v Speaker 3>because there was something about the awkwardness of it that

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<v Speaker 3>sparked you. And everything we said that was passive aggressive

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<v Speaker 3>to each other you picked up on and made a

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<v Speaker 3>joke out of and it was hilarious. It was like

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<v Speaker 3>you were trying to make things better.

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<v Speaker 2>That's exactly like my family life when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>You were just trying to make things better.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just trying to make things better. I swear

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<v Speaker 2>to God. Three congression is the Scottish thing. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>it is like, oh, and the interesting thing is I

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<v Speaker 2>also don't remember my childhood and I was sober. Yeah, right,

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<v Speaker 2>it's that most of your childhood, well not all of it,

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<v Speaker 2>but a fair amount of it.

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<v Speaker 1>My childhood. Your childhood is very different though.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, you're DC, right, you're like government family and

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<v Speaker 2>with your father.

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<v Speaker 3>Spy or something. Yeah, I guess I can say that now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>he was in the CIA, and he was in the CIA, right, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was chief of Saffath Center Foreign Relations Committee.

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<v Speaker 3>He ended up being Assistant Secretary of State during the

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<v Speaker 3>Clint administration.

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<v Speaker 2>So was he like did he do black holes and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like that? Was he you know, away from you

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<v Speaker 2>know him, he did go away from home. All of

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<v Speaker 2>the stuff that he did in the field was before

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<v Speaker 2>I was born. But then he always kept a hand

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<v Speaker 2>in and he oddly enough, he was on the Senate

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<v Speaker 2>Select Committee on Intelligence better known as the Church Committee,

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<v Speaker 2>and really went after the CIA. And because he was

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<v Speaker 2>in the CIA at one point, he was able to

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<v Speaker 2>use his contacts for those that were within the CIA

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<v Speaker 2>who were upset with the way the agency was going.

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<v Speaker 2>So the implication being that there is some corruption and

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence community because now should they find I hard to

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<v Speaker 2>believe anywhere that humans have power, that there would be

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of form of corruption is unbelieving.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And I think his greatest claim to fame, the

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<v Speaker 3>thing that was brought up in his obituary was that

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<v Speaker 3>he was the person that supplied Senator Fulbright, the Senator

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<v Speaker 3>from Arkansas, with the information about the Gulf of Tonkin,

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<v Speaker 3>which made Robert McNamara retire.

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<v Speaker 1>That it was a lie. Wow, that was in his obituary.

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<v Speaker 2>So that, I mean, that's a very impressive resume and

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<v Speaker 2>a very kind of specific world. Yes, And I was

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<v Speaker 2>always kind of intrigued, is how you why you weren't

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<v Speaker 2>drawn into that? It feels like like the gravitational pill

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<v Speaker 2>of that kind of thing would.

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<v Speaker 1>Be very strong. Were you tempted at that point?

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<v Speaker 3>No, I just never never tempted. I think because I

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<v Speaker 3>saw how the sausage was made. The thing that it

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<v Speaker 3>did prepare me for in Hollywood was something that you

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<v Speaker 3>had alluded to earlier in this podcast, which is the

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<v Speaker 3>cyclical nature of a career, right, the shifting sands. My

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<v Speaker 3>dad like to call it the magic hat. So if

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<v Speaker 3>you have the magic hat on, everybody loves you, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's not you. It's the hat.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's very holy. Would that's all about? It really

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<v Speaker 2>is as well. But I mean your career is I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you have had a stellar career. I was quite jealous

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<v Speaker 2>as I watched you. How was that even possible? You

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<v Speaker 2>were on great shows. You're on Beep, which is an

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<v Speaker 2>amazing show. You're on BoJack, which is like seminal. I

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<v Speaker 2>mean it's like rewriting the game. Yeah, is it something?

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<v Speaker 3>I would say? Better Things was also I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>if you saw it, but Better Things is also a

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<v Speaker 3>good show. I did not see Better Things. Better Things

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<v Speaker 3>is a very solid, beautiful show.

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<v Speaker 2>So the kind of thing that there's always been a

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<v Speaker 2>great depth to your work, which I don't think you

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<v Speaker 2>were used and I feel this a little bit a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of actors. Actually, I didn't see that you get

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<v Speaker 2>used that way In the Drew Carey Show when.

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<v Speaker 1>You were playing Oswood Lee Harvey.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a very it means a fun show, but

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<v Speaker 2>it was kind of two dimensional in many ways.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it was entirely Yeah, we were like hothouse flowers.

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<v Speaker 3>We weren't real people. We were just vehicles for jokes.

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<v Speaker 3>That said, I totally enjoyed it. Yeah, me too, Well,

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<v Speaker 3>not totally but a lot of it. I think I

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<v Speaker 3>enjoyed it more than you did.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you probably did. I think that it's funny

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<v Speaker 2>I remember, and I don't think it was because of

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<v Speaker 2>the size of the part. You had a good part

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<v Speaker 2>and you were you were a rock solid performer, like

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<v Speaker 2>you fucking kicked ass every week and it like rock

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<v Speaker 2>star every week. So I don't think it was the

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<v Speaker 2>size of the part. I think it's because you were

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<v Speaker 2>more ambitious than me. Definitely I was. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>I still suffer from that, but I did.

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<v Speaker 3>I did. I think at the time, yeah, definitely. And

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<v Speaker 3>from my perspective, I'm not no.

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<v Speaker 1>I think no. I think you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that I was looking at you guys, and

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<v Speaker 2>I felt like you were all doing better than me,

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<v Speaker 2>which is what ambitious people always think, like everybody's doing

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<v Speaker 2>better than.

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<v Speaker 3>Me, and that's such true.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like it's fucking stupid.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>And then like after I had gotten maybe I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was about eighteen months and doing the late night

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<v Speaker 2>show and I ran and I think it was Jerry,

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<v Speaker 2>the director. Jerry used to do the show, and he said, wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if ever I I you know, it was him, and

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<v Speaker 2>Drew said, if ever a guy needed a show with

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<v Speaker 2>his name on it, it's you, Craig, And I went, really,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm starting next to Drew Carey from the fucking

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<v Speaker 2>Drew Carey Show for nine years. He's like, yeah, it's different,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not You didn't suffer from that ambstion? Did you

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<v Speaker 2>not feel that like, I mean, you were coming off

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<v Speaker 2>like the Beverly Hillbillies, big giant movie.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you not feel was your ambition not burning hall

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<v Speaker 1>at that point?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I was disappointed by the reaction of the Beverly Hillbillies.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought I was going to be a movie star

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<v Speaker 3>for a brief time, and then I dipped back into

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<v Speaker 3>television frankly because I ran out of money. And then

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<v Speaker 3>I only did the Drew Carey Show because I was

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<v Speaker 3>trying to drive.

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<v Speaker 1>I never told you this story. No, I don't know

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<v Speaker 1>this story.

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<v Speaker 3>So the Drew Carey Show was my second pilot of

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<v Speaker 3>the season. I was on the revamping of Margaret Chow's Show,

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<v Speaker 3>but then about I didn't believe in the show. About

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<v Speaker 3>halfway through the show, my agent like came and said

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<v Speaker 3>I have to go and the Drew Carey Show or

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, how do I get off this show?

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<v Speaker 1>And he goes, you're halfway through the pilot. I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is really a mistake.

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<v Speaker 3>Everybody knows that, you know, and and he goes, okay, well,

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<v Speaker 3>so you know we're going to second position with something.

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<v Speaker 3>So he's like, okay, great, And I tested for a

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<v Speaker 3>pilot called Partners. Tate Donovan did it and John Cryer

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<v Speaker 3>got my partner. Okay, but anyway, they low balled me

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<v Speaker 3>over at Sony. I'm working for right now. Actually I'm

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<v Speaker 3>lucky Hank totally, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Working for that too.

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<v Speaker 3>Sony's great, my favorite people. Yeah, but they totally low

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<v Speaker 3>balled me, and so I called my agent and I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, that's I mean, our quote is there. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean they just have the quote and they're not coming back.

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<v Speaker 3>And he goes, well, you know, you got to get

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<v Speaker 3>something else and we'll just fight him.

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<v Speaker 1>Off and use it as a bargaining.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So he goes, there's a show a stand up

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<v Speaker 3>if you order Drew Carry and I was like no,

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<v Speaker 3>and he goes, well, he did well on this other

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<v Speaker 3>stand up show and I don't watch that stand up show.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was such a TV snop if you remember, like I'm

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<v Speaker 3>much better now that I have a kids.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's like, you are one of the people that

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<v Speaker 2>I would say grew the fuck up since I met them.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you, honestly, I mean you were never you

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<v Speaker 2>were always a very nice man, but no, you were,

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<v Speaker 2>but like you grew up. It's so patantly obviously when

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<v Speaker 2>you had your kids, you're like, oh no, wait a minute, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>resay auck.

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<v Speaker 3>Button going on anyway, So I went on the Drew

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<v Speaker 3>carry Show pilot and they wanted to test me, so

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<v Speaker 3>we put them against one another, and Sony did come

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<v Speaker 3>up to my quote, and so did the Drew Carry Show.

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<v Speaker 3>But and I just showed up for the test and

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<v Speaker 3>I did it like blah blah blah, because my test

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<v Speaker 3>for the Sony thing was the same day. So I

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<v Speaker 3>just was like, Okay, yeah, this is the morning thing

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<v Speaker 3>and then I'm gonna go Like some people would have

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<v Speaker 3>a cup of coffee and a shit, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to test for a show.

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<v Speaker 2>But the Drew Carey show was kind of like a

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<v Speaker 2>cup of coffee and the ship is the whole idea,

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<v Speaker 2>this process, yeah, yeah, the circle of so and then

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<v Speaker 2>I went off to the Sony thing.

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<v Speaker 3>And then I didn't get the anything, and I got

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<v Speaker 3>the Drew Carry Show. And my agent called me to

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<v Speaker 3>tell me I got the Drew Carry Show and I

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<v Speaker 3>yelled at him. I was like, what have you done?

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<v Speaker 3>That's crazy? And then the show was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nine years, it's crazy fucking years. I didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>the last year. I didn't do the first year either.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't do the first year? Yeah, I joined after that.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to be in for like three episodes

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<v Speaker 2>or so.

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<v Speaker 3>The first year wasn't good, and I hope I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>crushing fans of the show, but I really didn't like

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<v Speaker 3>the show. I actually tried to get off the show.

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<v Speaker 3>In my defense, I had done seven pilots before the

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<v Speaker 3>Drew Carry Show, so I thought, I'll just get another

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<v Speaker 3>show and I'll be back. Okay, it's image. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't let me off, and I wasn't crazy. I

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<v Speaker 3>loved Drew and I loved Ryan and Kathy was great,

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<v Speaker 3>but I didn't love the scripts. I didn't love my part.

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<v Speaker 3>And I thought, this is to speak to what you

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<v Speaker 3>were saying about the ambition. I thought, like, I'm a

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<v Speaker 3>second banana on a show. I should be the first banana.

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<v Speaker 3>And I should get off the show. Bruce didn't let

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<v Speaker 3>me off the show, and I'm very grateful for that

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<v Speaker 3>because the showrunner.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the second year of.

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<v Speaker 3>The show was so much better, and that was trapped.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also I had arrived and then everything.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'm not joking about that. It actually made the

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<v Speaker 3>show happen because you were a great antagonist to him.

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<v Speaker 3>What it made his work? Sheer fucking hell.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right. There's more sticks to throw the protagonist than.

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<v Speaker 3>The voiceover thing. It's nothing against Kevin Pollack. He's fantas

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<v Speaker 3>he's a great actor. Yeah, he's great. So, but he

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<v Speaker 3>was a voice and we saw him at the end

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<v Speaker 3>of the first year. It was a dumb gimmick.

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<v Speaker 2>Well he was if anyone doesn't know, he was Drew's voice.

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<v Speaker 2>He was Drew's boss in the first year of the show,

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<v Speaker 2>but you never really saw him.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just on a kind of like speakerphone. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he turned up for the last episode.

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<v Speaker 2>But at that time, and Kevin said this to me himself,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, I was too expensive at the time. They

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't afford me. So I was doing a lot of movies. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was a legit movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Start at the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think they offered mister Wick to Hugh Laurie

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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Kid, Yeah, I believe so.

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<v Speaker 2>I think you said no, I wow, I'm better than that.

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<v Speaker 1>That would have been a mistake. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I think he'd been pretty good. I don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>he's amazing. Yeah, but I think that that wouldn't have worked.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that you were I think personality wise.

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<v Speaker 2>I think for me, the Drew Carey Show was that

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<v Speaker 2>its best in that second third fourth.

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<v Speaker 1>Those were good years.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when we were like doing the live episodes and

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<v Speaker 2>doing the like big musical numbers and all that.

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<v Speaker 3>But also the episode that you were talking about, the

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<v Speaker 3>full Monty episode, that's a that's an excellent.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a great episode.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's really not scene when we're all on the

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<v Speaker 3>couch and you come in and you talk about your

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<v Speaker 3>addiction to the ponies and Oswald thinks that you sleep

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<v Speaker 3>with ponies.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's memory John carol Lynch and Drew dancing to the

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<v Speaker 2>Heart music to Windy as well. It's like and but

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<v Speaker 2>there you look at John carro Lynch as well, that

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<v Speaker 2>guy who's going on to like.

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<v Speaker 1>Direct these like serious movies and he's.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, big, and you've done that too, You you carved

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<v Speaker 2>a legitimate career after after the after the show, I think,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's true.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, but none of us were part of that

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<v Speaker 2>kind of whose lyne improv world.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Ryan did it. It was kind of Ryan

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<v Speaker 1>and Drew really or.

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<v Speaker 3>Who's like really Ryan? Yeah, well he was funny because

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<v Speaker 3>he laughed, and.

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<v Speaker 2>It was funny because he laughed and he liked being

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<v Speaker 2>around everybody doing it, and he's genuinely fun guy. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a nice guy. But Ryan's the improv genius. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god, he's a genius. Yeah, he's truly incredible. No,

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<v Speaker 2>they asked me to do the show a number of times.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure they asked you. No, I don't really, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they ever did, or maybe they asked me

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<v Speaker 2>to do it once.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Sure. I like, because I'm Scott, I

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<v Speaker 1>like to go.

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<v Speaker 2>They never asked me, and they left it, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think they did, and they probably.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think they probably did ask me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, i'd be shocked.

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<v Speaker 1>What I don't know? I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was never that comfortable and weirdly enough for what

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<v Speaker 2>I did later on. I was very uncomfortable with improv,

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<v Speaker 2>very uncomfortable with that group improv.

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<v Speaker 1>I always felt I can't.

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<v Speaker 3>Really do it is a different beast it is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, did you like? Did you like the

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<v Speaker 1>experience of doing it?

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<v Speaker 3>One of my favorite parts about acting is knowing what

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to say?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, isn't that great?

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<v Speaker 3>I love it?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to say right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's a little unnerving.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you get to practice what you're going to

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<v Speaker 2>say a high voice, do it.

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<v Speaker 3>This is actually saying seeing what you're actually saying as

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<v Speaker 3>opposed to what you're saying. All of that, all text analysis,

0:18:47.119 --> 0:18:48.960
<v Speaker 3>all that kind of stuff you can really dive into

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<v Speaker 3>that doesn't happen in life. Like we just blurted out.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think I just realized why you've done

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<v Speaker 2>so well as an actor because you say what it's

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<v Speaker 2>like text analysis and stuff like, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh god, he's a fucking real actor.

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<v Speaker 2>He's a proper actor that does things. Hello, this is

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<v Speaker 2>Greig Ferguson, and I want to let you know I

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<v Speaker 2>have a brand new stand up comedy special out now

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube. It's called I'm So Happy and I would

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<v Speaker 2>be so happy if you checked it out.

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<v Speaker 1>To watch the special.

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<v Speaker 2>Just go to my YouTube channel at the Craig Ferguson

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<v Speaker 2>Show and is this right there?

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<v Speaker 1>Just click it and play it and it's free. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't look.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to come around your house and show

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<v Speaker 2>you how to do it. If you can't do it,

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<v Speaker 2>then you can't have it. But if you can figure

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<v Speaker 2>it out, it's yours. I've trained you you had Did

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<v Speaker 2>you train? Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Where did you go and train? I went to North

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<v Speaker 3>Carolina School the Arts. That's that's Winston. That's pretty fancy,

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<v Speaker 3>isn't it. It's fancy dancy. Yeah, it's fancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that?

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<v Speaker 3>So?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you come to Hollywood straight after that? Or did

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<v Speaker 1>you go to a theater?

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to go into theater, and then I

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<v Speaker 3>got a pilot in between my sophomore and junior year,

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<v Speaker 3>a Western. We were on vacation in Santa Fe, met

0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.520
<v Speaker 3>a casting director to dinner party. Short story, long story short.

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<v Speaker 3>I got cast in this pilot and then in western,

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<v Speaker 3>in a Western.

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<v Speaker 1>My fucking dream. It was reallystern.

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<v Speaker 3>Honest to god, I was going to be a stage

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<v Speaker 3>actor before that time, but it was so much fun.

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<v Speaker 3>To dress up like a cowboy. Yeah, And that was

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<v Speaker 3>Sag and a lot of my friends that had graduated,

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<v Speaker 3>who I thought were much more talented than myself, that

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<v Speaker 3>were in New York and trying to be stage actors.

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<v Speaker 3>They're having a very hard time and it's.

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<v Speaker 2>Very difficult the stage world, I think, so it even

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<v Speaker 2>work it is.

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<v Speaker 3>My father's idea was that I move out here because

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<v Speaker 3>I'm already Sag, go like Solin, to a five year

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<v Speaker 3>plan and then move to New York if it doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>work out. And I thought that was a pretty good idea,

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<v Speaker 3>So I did that.

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<v Speaker 2>So your dad, who's this very interesting government figure, was

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<v Speaker 2>cool with your going on at show.

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<v Speaker 1>But this idea, it was his idea for me to

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<v Speaker 1>drop out of North Carolina School the arts and just

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<v Speaker 1>get started. See he he was kind of out the

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<v Speaker 1>box thinker then, wasn't he.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I think he knew me. Yeah, and he

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<v Speaker 3>knew that I was going to be on I mean,

0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:06.400
<v Speaker 3>you know his thing when you know, when he brought

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<v Speaker 3>up the idea, he said, you know, you've got a

0:21:07.720 --> 0:21:09.399
<v Speaker 3>job at a dinner party. I think he'll be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he paid my rent for the first two

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<v Speaker 3>years which really really helped that does how So, Yeah,

0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:17.080
<v Speaker 3>because I didn't need to get a straight job. I

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<v Speaker 3>worked enough where I could feed myself. This is after

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<v Speaker 3>the first three or four months when I tried to

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<v Speaker 3>make it completely on my own and I had trouble

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<v Speaker 3>at the beginning. I got a job in two weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>my second pilot, but I went through the money really

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<v Speaker 3>really fast because I thought I was made. I thought

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<v Speaker 3>I paid my dues. It'd been two weeks. Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>know that. That's a common thing though.

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<v Speaker 2>He used to say, like the best time to buy

0:21:41.560 --> 0:21:44.760
<v Speaker 2>a house in la is just after the TV season

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<v Speaker 2>starts and shows get start getting canceled and the actors

0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:50.880
<v Speaker 2>who thought that they were going to be Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I just burnt through it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I bought every type of thing that

0:21:55.960 --> 0:21:59.240
<v Speaker 3>you could put into your body, and as.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, like you run out the money really quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you were never like a druggiarron weed and

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of booze.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I never even saw you with much in the way

0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:10.760
<v Speaker 2>we know, like the way weed is now, like the

0:22:10.880 --> 0:22:12.520
<v Speaker 2>entire smells.

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<v Speaker 3>Like weed all the time. I know. Well, I just

0:22:14.040 --> 0:22:16.520
<v Speaker 3>shot in Vancouver. The Vancouver is so much weed. Like

0:22:16.560 --> 0:22:18.480
<v Speaker 3>I smelled cigarette smoke and I was like, what the

0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:19.080
<v Speaker 3>hell is that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's weird.

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.280
<v Speaker 2>It's like it's like a flashback when you smell just tobacco.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah I know. I mean New York smells like weed.

0:22:26.960 --> 0:22:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Most of LA smells like weed.

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<v Speaker 2>Chicago, Denver, Yeah, oh my god, that's just like you

0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:33.520
<v Speaker 2>can get high just going there.

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<v Speaker 3>So you Gela and you're like the reason that you

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<v Speaker 3>didn't see it is that I quit. I had told

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<v Speaker 3>Dulcie when we first Real Life to go my wife

0:22:42.520 --> 0:22:44.359
<v Speaker 3>of twenty six years, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Going to say, you guys get married.

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<v Speaker 2>When we were doing Drew carry right right, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>between the first.

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<v Speaker 3>Second and things in the third season, Yeah, she wanted

0:22:51.320 --> 0:22:53.600
<v Speaker 3>me to quit. And that was basically like if we

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<v Speaker 3>go forward, because I smoked a lot, She's just like

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<v Speaker 3>put her.

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<v Speaker 1>It was basically like she's a very sensible person.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'll see I always it's very one of those

0:23:03.040 --> 0:23:05.399
<v Speaker 2>I mean, look, you're married, you know better than me.

0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:08.919
<v Speaker 2>But she always seemed to me with someone who had

0:23:08.960 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 2>their ship together. It was kind of like an impressive

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<v Speaker 2>kind of organized.

0:23:13.920 --> 0:23:16.280
<v Speaker 3>More than anyone else has has helped me with my

0:23:16.400 --> 0:23:20.440
<v Speaker 3>career because of just not just being encouraging, but also

0:23:20.480 --> 0:23:23.520
<v Speaker 3>pushing me in a way and disciplining me. See.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that that is very important in her career

0:23:26.240 --> 0:23:31.160
<v Speaker 2>because I was much more scatter show and much more

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<v Speaker 2>ambitious until I.

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<v Speaker 1>Met Megan, who we've been together eighteen years and and.

0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.520
<v Speaker 2>You knew me before that, And all I could think

0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 2>of was the success must be it must be success,

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:45.119
<v Speaker 2>and success is a big hit and money. It's not

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:49.560
<v Speaker 2>career fulfillment. It's not there's no other sight. It's a

0:23:49.560 --> 0:23:52.840
<v Speaker 2>two dimensional thing and so one or a zero. And

0:23:52.880 --> 0:23:55.440
<v Speaker 2>I understand that though. Yeah, I think for young people,

0:23:55.440 --> 0:23:57.919
<v Speaker 2>I think it's okay. I think and also it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>what Hollywood tells you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was somebody I talked to. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>was Peter Medak. Do you know the director Peter Meadow.

0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:06.640
<v Speaker 3>I know his name, Peter.

0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:09.680
<v Speaker 2>He directed a lot of episodes of The Wire. Yeah,

0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:11.919
<v Speaker 2>but he made he made a couple of great movies,

0:24:11.960 --> 0:24:14.480
<v Speaker 2>a movie about the craze, and he made a movie

0:24:14.520 --> 0:24:17.879
<v Speaker 2>called The Ruling Class with Peter ro'tool back the Yeah,

0:24:17.920 --> 0:24:21.880
<v Speaker 2>that's a great movie, fantastic. That's his first movie. Yeah, ok, yeah,

0:24:22.000 --> 0:24:25.160
<v Speaker 2>and he forget he talks talks like, you know, it's

0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.320
<v Speaker 2>sort of well for my purposes, he talks like a

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, an old Nazi from nineteen fifties movie. He

0:24:31.960 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 2>doesn't talk like this at all, but that sort of

0:24:34.160 --> 0:24:36.440
<v Speaker 2>version of this. Okay, He's like, well, you know, see

0:24:36.440 --> 0:24:41.119
<v Speaker 2>it's the singer's clerk. You know, the movie Twister makes

0:24:41.200 --> 0:24:45.719
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty million dollars, so movie Fanny and Alexander.

0:24:45.119 --> 0:24:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Makes I don't know what fifty dollars.

0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Therefore, the movie Twister is a better movie than Fanny

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:54.199
<v Speaker 2>and Alexander. Yes, oh no, of course they answer is no, and.

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 1>You get that. I like guys like that. I like

0:24:58.400 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 1>guys like that. Who who ca to see it?

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that that comes with age and experience

0:25:02.800 --> 0:25:04.600
<v Speaker 2>and wearing the hat and not wearing the hat.

0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 3>So that's right. Yeah, do you've the best Yeah, if

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 3>you have a career where you have worn the hat

0:25:10.600 --> 0:25:12.480
<v Speaker 3>and then you don't wear the hat, and then somebody

0:25:12.480 --> 0:25:15.440
<v Speaker 3>gives you the hat again, Yeah, and that's when you're

0:25:15.480 --> 0:25:17.159
<v Speaker 3>really appreciative of the Hat's.

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<v Speaker 1>Next to have it back. Yeah, I think of it.

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:23.199
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like the Sean Connery Czar doors.

0:25:23.359 --> 0:25:24.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we bring it up all the time.

0:25:25.040 --> 0:25:29.240
<v Speaker 2>But that's like Sean Connery, Yeah and yeah, he's in

0:25:29.280 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 2>a MANKINI. At one point he must have been thinking,

0:25:31.440 --> 0:25:38.240
<v Speaker 2>what the fucking what happened? Well, the fucking MANKINI fucking Now.

0:25:38.240 --> 0:25:40.119
<v Speaker 2>I know that some people love the movie Outdoors, but

0:25:40.200 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't think Sean loved it. We were talking about

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:45.000
<v Speaker 2>Sean Connery the other day. We totally were right, because

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:48.199
<v Speaker 2>when did you me him? I met him at an

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.800
<v Speaker 2>award saying he was getting a lifetime award. This is

0:25:50.880 --> 0:25:53.160
<v Speaker 2>during the right before.

0:25:52.920 --> 0:25:55.240
<v Speaker 3>The Hillbillies came out, and I had a publicist because

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:58.040
<v Speaker 3>it felt like I should right understand. So I went

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<v Speaker 3>to a bunch of parties and one of them was

0:26:00.760 --> 0:26:04.240
<v Speaker 3>this award that he was given, and Maria Brown told

0:26:04.280 --> 0:26:07.119
<v Speaker 3>the story about the director of the name of the Rose,

0:26:07.119 --> 0:26:10.240
<v Speaker 3>who was supposedly very abusive to basically everybody and the

0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.359
<v Speaker 3>crew and the actors and really just awful and would

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 3>lose his shit continually, which is really a terrible thing

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:16.879
<v Speaker 3>for him.

0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:17.879
<v Speaker 1>Terrible thing.

0:26:18.119 --> 0:26:20.000
<v Speaker 3>You're the one who's supposed to be in control. That's

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:24.440
<v Speaker 3>the idea. You're not allowed that he really shouldn't. But anyway,

0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.120
<v Speaker 3>Connor said nothing through the entire time to this guy.

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:29.280
<v Speaker 3>He just did his job and he talked to the actor.

0:26:29.320 --> 0:26:31.480
<v Speaker 3>He was fine, but he just did his job. He

0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:33.520
<v Speaker 3>didn't say anything to the director. And then the director

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:35.520
<v Speaker 3>took a big stick and was about to hit a

0:26:35.520 --> 0:26:38.840
<v Speaker 3>horse that he wasn't doing what he wanted the horse

0:26:38.920 --> 0:26:43.640
<v Speaker 3>to do right, and Connory grabbed his wrist and pushed

0:26:43.680 --> 0:26:45.920
<v Speaker 3>it down, and you could tell that the director really

0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:50.240
<v Speaker 3>was like fighting. But Connorie is a big fella universe. Yeah,

0:26:50.280 --> 0:26:52.119
<v Speaker 3>so he's holding him down and he goes, not the

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<v Speaker 3>horse fuck line you just yeah, okay, just right.

0:27:00.359 --> 0:27:03.800
<v Speaker 1>Away, mister. I was telling you my wife.

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:06.680
<v Speaker 2>We had only been dating a short period of time

0:27:06.720 --> 0:27:08.479
<v Speaker 2>and I had to give an award to shown at

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:12.560
<v Speaker 2>something Holly would do. He was getting them every every week,

0:27:12.680 --> 0:27:15.800
<v Speaker 2>and I was giving him this award. I gave him

0:27:15.800 --> 0:27:18.199
<v Speaker 2>the award and then we get introduced afterwards, and Meghan's

0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.120
<v Speaker 2>wearing her dress and went over and I said yeah.

0:27:21.119 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 1>He said, creg gets very nice to me. Yes, thanks

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:25.680
<v Speaker 1>for the all that was very pleasant what you shared,

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:27.639
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, And I said, thank you very much, Sewing.

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:31.160
<v Speaker 2>This is my wife, Meghan, and he said, very nice

0:27:31.200 --> 0:27:31.560
<v Speaker 2>to meet you.

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:36.320
<v Speaker 1>Megan and her tits blush physically, I don't even know

0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:37.600
<v Speaker 1>that tits could blush.

0:27:37.720 --> 0:27:42.199
<v Speaker 2>She she just went oh and they lit up like

0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 2>it was fucking Halloween.

0:27:44.080 --> 0:27:46.679
<v Speaker 4>Like I didn't even know these things could do that. Well,

0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:48.639
<v Speaker 4>they don't do it for you, but that's Sean.

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh my god, he could make women

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:53.359
<v Speaker 2>sweats blush.

0:27:53.520 --> 0:27:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's that's quite a sky. He was fucking great.

0:27:56.800 --> 0:27:58.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for me, he was.

0:27:58.160 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 2>He and Belly Corny were kind of like the Jackie

0:28:01.560 --> 0:28:03.040
<v Speaker 2>Robinson thank you, you know what I mean?

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.840
<v Speaker 1>What for you was what did you watch when you

0:28:05.880 --> 0:28:07.480
<v Speaker 1>were a kid, And you go, I want a piece

0:28:07.520 --> 0:28:08.879
<v Speaker 1>of that. I want I want to be able to

0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:09.280
<v Speaker 1>do that.

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.919
<v Speaker 3>My origin story is that we were living in Paris.

0:28:12.960 --> 0:28:15.800
<v Speaker 3>My dad was a European matress. We were living in Paris.

0:28:15.840 --> 0:28:18.639
<v Speaker 3>We were he was a European representative for the Ford Foundation.

0:28:18.760 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 3>This is shortly after he brought down Robert McNamara. He

0:28:21.880 --> 0:28:24.120
<v Speaker 3>was told to basically get out of town.

0:28:25.240 --> 0:28:26.639
<v Speaker 2>Not only can you not have the hat, but you

0:28:26.680 --> 0:28:28.240
<v Speaker 2>better get the fuck out of him for a while.

0:28:28.280 --> 0:28:31.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah you really lost the hat. Yeah just rolled down

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:33.639
<v Speaker 3>the street. You're not going to go that hat. He

0:28:33.760 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 3>ended up being fine, but but yes, that we he

0:28:37.280 --> 0:28:41.760
<v Speaker 3>was definitely out. But anyway, I basically just learned English

0:28:41.840 --> 0:28:44.760
<v Speaker 3>I was little, and then there was French, right, and

0:28:45.000 --> 0:28:48.080
<v Speaker 3>so I was really deeply alienated by the whole thing

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 3>and kind of a troubled little kid, little loner, weird kid.

0:28:53.280 --> 0:28:56.320
<v Speaker 3>At this point, I am about three and a half four,

0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:59.760
<v Speaker 3>three and a half four, okay, and my mom paid

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:02.960
<v Speaker 3>were my siblings to take me to the movies, and

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 3>I very quickly figured out that that was the deal,

0:29:05.920 --> 0:29:08.320
<v Speaker 3>because my sister would bring all over stone friends and

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:10.400
<v Speaker 3>they would, you know, we would go see Freda Stare movies,

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:14.360
<v Speaker 3>which I totally love. But I really loved Charlie Chaplin.

0:29:15.000 --> 0:29:18.200
<v Speaker 3>How interesting, and there was something about the combination of

0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 3>the path I was, the physical comedy and just the

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 3>warmth that I really love the sweetness. Now, a lot

0:29:24.040 --> 0:29:26.960
<v Speaker 3>of people think it's too Treaquily. Buster Keaton is probably

0:29:27.040 --> 0:29:28.960
<v Speaker 3>for the hardcore fans, and I'm a huge fan. Don't

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.440
<v Speaker 3>get me wrong. For the hardcore fan, he's just comedy.

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.040
<v Speaker 3>It's it's very little sentiment. But for me, I love

0:29:34.120 --> 0:29:36.520
<v Speaker 3>the sentiment. Yeah, I was a little kid, you know,

0:29:36.680 --> 0:29:38.120
<v Speaker 3>and the first one I saw it was the kid

0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 3>so I was like, this.

0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:41.239
<v Speaker 2>Guy this is and I could hang with this guy

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.480
<v Speaker 2>because he hangs out with kids and soaked up.

0:29:43.400 --> 0:29:45.680
<v Speaker 3>My little I worked up a little Charlie Chaplin act

0:29:45.680 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 3>in my room in our apartments, and then I guess

0:29:48.880 --> 0:29:51.760
<v Speaker 3>about a year later, we went to the theater. My

0:29:51.840 --> 0:29:54.640
<v Speaker 3>fake auntie Auntie sure took me and I was my

0:29:54.640 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 3>fake you know, my mom, but anyway, she took me.

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:02.640
<v Speaker 3>This one theater that I loved the most because there

0:30:02.680 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 3>was a live musical accompaniment. The guy improvised music to

0:30:05.760 --> 0:30:08.400
<v Speaker 3>whatever was playing. And it was my favorite because it

0:30:08.480 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 3>was just like being in the theater in the original.

0:30:11.120 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 2>It's weird because it, I mean, this sounds like you

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:15.200
<v Speaker 2>grew up in the nineteen twenties.

0:30:15.800 --> 0:30:21.040
<v Speaker 1>It's just like this is what nineteen seventies. Seventy yeah, yeah, yeah, seventies.

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Someone room there.

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, So the film burned, got caught and burned, it

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:29.640
<v Speaker 3>went on fire, yeah, and everybody booed, and the lights

0:30:29.680 --> 0:30:32.520
<v Speaker 3>came back on, and I ran in between the audience

0:30:32.600 --> 0:30:36.320
<v Speaker 3>and the screen because nobody boos Charlie Chaplin. Like I

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 3>just wasn't going to allow that to happen. So I

0:30:40.120 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 3>jumped in between and I did my little Charlie Chaplin,

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:44.160
<v Speaker 3>the organ player played.

0:30:44.400 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 2>And you did it for the audience. I did it

0:30:45.920 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 2>for the audience and the French audience that's fan and

0:30:48.680 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 2>were the good. They love you. I got a standing ovation. Jesus,

0:30:52.720 --> 0:30:55.560
<v Speaker 2>that is so great. Now, I think we have to

0:30:55.560 --> 0:30:58.640
<v Speaker 2>make a movie of your life because that is such

0:30:58.640 --> 0:30:59.120
<v Speaker 2>a good.

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:04.320
<v Speaker 3>N't you think it's crazy? It's lovely, Yeah, it's funny. Yeah.

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>Do you actually have memory of it?

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I you know, there's so many questions about

0:31:10.440 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 3>recovered memory. I actually did recover this memory by watching Chaplain,

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:18.920
<v Speaker 3>the biopic with Robert Downey Junior. There is a scene

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 3>in it where his mother, who was played by Charlie

0:31:22.360 --> 0:31:25.840
<v Speaker 3>Chaplin's actual daughter, Geraldine Chaplin in the movie, plays her

0:31:25.840 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 3>own grandmother, grandmother who has a nervous breakdown on stage.

0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:33.080
<v Speaker 3>When Chaplain himself is about three or four. It's right,

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:37.280
<v Speaker 3>she was very ill and anyway, she had a nervous

0:31:37.280 --> 0:31:40.280
<v Speaker 3>breakdown on stage and everybody started a boo, and he thought,

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:42.640
<v Speaker 3>no one is going to boo my mother. So he

0:31:43.080 --> 0:31:45.960
<v Speaker 3>jumped on stage and started doing a panamime act. Because

0:31:46.120 --> 0:31:47.880
<v Speaker 3>he had no act. It was the only thing that

0:31:47.880 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 3>he can think of. And I was sitting in the

0:31:51.320 --> 0:31:54.400
<v Speaker 3>theater and I was like, shefu.

0:31:56.880 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing, that's amazing. I remember, and your family remember it. Yeah,

0:32:02.680 --> 0:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>that's crazy. Yeah, but typical of my family. Like I

0:32:04.920 --> 0:32:06.200
<v Speaker 2>called my mom. I was crying.

0:32:06.240 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 3>I called my mom and yeah, I just want to

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:11.920
<v Speaker 3>check something because I had this incredibly powerful experience. It

0:32:11.960 --> 0:32:14.360
<v Speaker 3>was like an epiphany for me, and I just want

0:32:14.400 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 3>to double check and make sure that it actually happened

0:32:16.440 --> 0:32:19.760
<v Speaker 3>and that I wasn't making it up. And she went, oh, yes, yeah, yeah,

0:32:20.880 --> 0:32:22.960
<v Speaker 3>And I go, did you ever think about telling me that?

0:32:24.080 --> 0:32:25.280
<v Speaker 1>She was like, oh, yeah, you know that?

0:32:25.520 --> 0:32:28.240
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, Auntie, sure she took you. And I go, yeah,

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 3>that's right, Yeah, that's right, I thought. She goes, yes,

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:31.360
<v Speaker 3>says no, that happened.

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 2>Do you know this story about chaplain And Michael Okay

0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:36.760
<v Speaker 2>and Michael Caine told me this story, which is what

0:32:37.200 --> 0:32:39.960
<v Speaker 2>they were both from the area the Elephant and Castle

0:32:40.000 --> 0:32:42.920
<v Speaker 2>in London, like a very poor slum area in London,

0:32:43.560 --> 0:32:46.440
<v Speaker 2>and in the nineteen late nineteen sixties or seventies they

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.520
<v Speaker 2>were knocking down it must have been of the seventies, actually,

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 2>they were knocking down the Elephant and Castle the area

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:52.880
<v Speaker 2>in London.

0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:55.160
<v Speaker 1>It was called that because it was it was in

0:32:55.240 --> 0:32:55.880
<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages.

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.400
<v Speaker 2>It was called lane Font de Castille, but the Londoners

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.719
<v Speaker 2>couldn't pronounce that's an elephant castle.

0:33:01.760 --> 0:33:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's hilarious.

0:33:03.120 --> 0:33:05.760
<v Speaker 1>And it was a children. Yeah.

0:33:06.000 --> 0:33:10.400
<v Speaker 2>So they were knocking down this area and Michael, who

0:33:10.400 --> 0:33:12.600
<v Speaker 2>grew up there, was walking around it, and you know,

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:14.040
<v Speaker 2>he thought, I'll go and see it before they knock

0:33:14.080 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 2>it down. So very early in the morning when Sunday's

0:33:17.320 --> 0:33:20.640
<v Speaker 2>walking around the elephant castle, it's all kind of deserted

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.800
<v Speaker 2>and stuff. And he comes around the corner and fucking

0:33:22.840 --> 0:33:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Charlie Chaplin is there, old man. And he said, mister Chaplin,

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:34.160
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing here? I can't do Charlie, Charlie chatlerman.

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:40.560
<v Speaker 2>But and then you came up. But he said, well,

0:33:40.600 --> 0:33:42.440
<v Speaker 2>I thought i'd come around to look at the old

0:33:42.440 --> 0:33:44.480
<v Speaker 2>neighborhood before they knocked it down. And the two of them,

0:33:45.040 --> 0:33:49.959
<v Speaker 2>there's something wonderful about that two huge, huge god and

0:33:50.000 --> 0:33:51.880
<v Speaker 2>from obviously very different eras.

0:33:52.000 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but still but then walking around together sharing a

0:33:56.080 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 3>childhood sounds really fascinating.

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 2>They both of these people, And this is kind of

0:34:01.160 --> 0:34:03.239
<v Speaker 2>where I want to lead you a little bit is

0:34:03.280 --> 0:34:04.640
<v Speaker 2>that both of these people.

0:34:04.680 --> 0:34:06.160
<v Speaker 1>For me, I never met Chaplin.

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 2>I presume you didn't either, But I've met and spent

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>time with Michael Kaine, who is a fucking diamond of

0:34:12.239 --> 0:34:12.879
<v Speaker 2>a human being.

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>He's just amazing.

0:34:15.840 --> 0:34:18.880
<v Speaker 2>And what's great about is that he's one of the

0:34:18.960 --> 0:34:23.239
<v Speaker 2>few people I've met that retains the mistake. I know

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:25.279
<v Speaker 2>how films are made, I've made them, You've made him

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.600
<v Speaker 2>moving on him, I know how the sausage is made,

0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:32.200
<v Speaker 2>but he keeps the glamour. I wondered for you, is

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:35.920
<v Speaker 2>there still an area of this business because you've I mean,

0:34:35.960 --> 0:34:39.720
<v Speaker 2>you've really proved yourself in this game. Is there still

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:42.399
<v Speaker 2>any kind of like, you know, the feeling you used

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:45.400
<v Speaker 2>to get when you you would see the star's handprints.

0:34:45.400 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 2>That used to I used to kind of get that,

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 2>and I don't anymore. I'm like, yeah, it's the guy

0:34:50.200 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Pin's end in concrete.

0:34:51.239 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 1>Dan't Mater. You hear stories about people. Is there anyone

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 1>who still does it?

0:34:54.400 --> 0:34:57.640
<v Speaker 3>For you? Did I get starstruck or that I'm just.

0:34:57.800 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Any starstruck or just retains the mistake?

0:35:00.200 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Who kind of still has the glamour on either personally

0:35:03.640 --> 0:35:06.000
<v Speaker 2>or or But I'm thinking more.

0:35:05.840 --> 0:35:09.680
<v Speaker 1>Personally, like interacting with people. No.

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.439
<v Speaker 3>No, it's funny though, isn't that. No, I have yet

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:16.160
<v Speaker 3>to see the glamour of this business. I too, totally

0:35:16.160 --> 0:35:18.759
<v Speaker 3>worshiped it from an outsider's perspective. I used to go

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:22.560
<v Speaker 3>to Men's Chinese when I had a particularly intense audition

0:35:23.239 --> 0:35:25.760
<v Speaker 3>before I would go, and I would stand in Jimmy

0:35:25.800 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 3>Stewart's shoe prints at Man's Chinese and just, you know,

0:35:30.239 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 3>look up at this guy says, show me the magic.

0:35:32.000 --> 0:35:34.200
<v Speaker 3>To show me the magic. Yeah, because he was my

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:38.319
<v Speaker 3>favorite of the speaking actors. Yeah, this is so called

0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:43.600
<v Speaker 3>talking if that little Cato never. But I have yet

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:46.120
<v Speaker 3>to see glamour. I mean, one moment I think was

0:35:46.160 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 3>fairly ground glamorous in early screenings of Miscongeniality Too. I

0:35:52.080 --> 0:35:54.640
<v Speaker 3>went to with AlSi I should say. We went to

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 3>a theater way out in like Glendale or something. I

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:02.920
<v Speaker 3>can't quite remember right now, but anyway, we went up

0:36:02.960 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 3>to where the projectors were right because that's where Sandy was.

0:36:08.160 --> 0:36:10.320
<v Speaker 3>And there was Sandra Bullock in the middle of the

0:36:10.400 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 3>room on her phone looking amazing. I'm like a star,

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:15.879
<v Speaker 3>waiting for the lights to go down so she could

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 3>join the audience, and I think that was the one

0:36:18.680 --> 0:36:20.919
<v Speaker 3>moment where I was like, that's actually pretty cool.

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:24.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's funny that I it does go away.

0:36:25.239 --> 0:36:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because it's just a lot of desperate people trying

0:36:27.920 --> 0:36:29.799
<v Speaker 1>to work. I just went you know, what did it

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:31.200
<v Speaker 1>to me was late night.

0:36:31.800 --> 0:36:36.120
<v Speaker 2>Oh, because every night you met everybody, giant star comes in. No,

0:36:36.239 --> 0:36:38.960
<v Speaker 2>every night, but a lot of times giant stars come in.

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:42.000
<v Speaker 2>Giant stars come in, Giant stars come in, and the

0:36:42.080 --> 0:36:45.959
<v Speaker 2>douche to manche ratio is the same as anywhere else

0:36:46.000 --> 0:36:46.359
<v Speaker 2>in the world.

0:36:46.440 --> 0:36:46.720
<v Speaker 3>World.

0:36:46.880 --> 0:36:49.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's just like, oh yeah, some guys douches, some

0:36:49.160 --> 0:36:51.000
<v Speaker 2>guys manes and that's just the way it is.

0:36:51.280 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 1>But there are people, for me Stell who kind of

0:36:54.640 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 1>transcend it a little bit.

0:36:55.840 --> 0:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, who's that Well, Robin Williams did that for me

0:36:58.760 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 2>a little bit. Even although we be came friendly, there

0:37:02.320 --> 0:37:05.319
<v Speaker 2>was still like there's it seemed to me he had

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>a magic. Maybe it's genius. Maybe that's what it is.

0:37:08.440 --> 0:37:11.919
<v Speaker 2>It's not really about glamour and show business, but it's about.

0:37:11.719 --> 0:37:13.400
<v Speaker 3>The next level of real talent.

0:37:13.560 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or when you see somebody doing a thing like

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:21.160
<v Speaker 2>every now and again, I would see that I could

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:22.759
<v Speaker 2>even do I could do and I'm not saying I

0:37:22.760 --> 0:37:24.080
<v Speaker 2>could even do it with you, but I can.

0:37:24.080 --> 0:37:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Do it with you.

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 2>Like there were times when I would like when I

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:29.399
<v Speaker 2>was watching BoJack, when you turned up in BoJack as

0:37:29.440 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 2>the agent's assistant, I was like, Oh, that's fucking gorgeous.

0:37:35.000 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>And it was great. It was good.

0:37:37.520 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean that show for me, I'm such a fan

0:37:40.680 --> 0:37:45.080
<v Speaker 2>of that show, really great. It's a very dark, strange ride.

0:37:45.400 --> 0:37:47.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and I don't think there's been a darker comedy.

0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:51.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I mean, who was it you were working with

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:51.919
<v Speaker 1>on that.

0:37:52.680 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 3>Bob the creator of the show, and I did a

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:59.879
<v Speaker 3>show together called Save Me Right that was a total

0:38:00.360 --> 0:38:03.879
<v Speaker 3>piece of shit okay, And he knew it at the time,

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:06.200
<v Speaker 3>and I knew it at the time, but he couldn't

0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 3>say anything. But I just talked about it all the time.

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 1>So he appreciated that, yeah, and couldn't wait to get.

0:38:13.840 --> 0:38:16.040
<v Speaker 3>You into it when he had his own shoe. Then

0:38:16.080 --> 0:38:18.040
<v Speaker 3>he brought me in and he was like, your candor

0:38:18.280 --> 0:38:21.399
<v Speaker 3>was so like refreshing that there was somebody who knew

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:22.960
<v Speaker 3>that they were on a piece of ship while they

0:38:22.960 --> 0:38:23.440
<v Speaker 3>were in it.

0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.840
<v Speaker 2>And it was one of those shows BoJack. I thought

0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.279
<v Speaker 2>that you lived in terror of your name turning up

0:38:29.280 --> 0:38:29.480
<v Speaker 2>in it?

0:38:30.840 --> 0:38:31.920
<v Speaker 3>Has he skewered everybody?

0:38:31.960 --> 0:38:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? I mine dead? Oh really yeah. I was watching

0:38:35.520 --> 0:38:35.920
<v Speaker 1>it one day.

0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I think it's like it's deep into

0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:42.200
<v Speaker 2>the season with BoJack's way of face, and the.

0:38:42.239 --> 0:38:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Reporters are looking for BoJack.

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:44.440
<v Speaker 3>Huh.

0:38:44.440 --> 0:38:46.680
<v Speaker 1>And they go to an AA meeting.

0:38:46.840 --> 0:38:49.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they say have you seen any celebrities and

0:38:49.520 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 2>a meet and soyes, I thought, Craig.

0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:54.680
<v Speaker 1>And then the reports that trying to be swanked by

0:38:54.719 --> 0:38:59.239
<v Speaker 1>association are you? And I was like, that was good.

0:38:59.320 --> 0:38:59.719
<v Speaker 1>That was good.

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:04.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah for a boat, especially since you're not anonymous. You're recovering,

0:39:04.320 --> 0:39:07.080
<v Speaker 3>and you're pretty clear about it about it.

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:11.120
<v Speaker 2>But the AA thing is anonymous. I don't, I can't,

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>and you wouldn't of course.

0:39:13.160 --> 0:39:15.920
<v Speaker 3>But what I mean is that that he picked the

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:18.960
<v Speaker 3>one like he was in recovery. He was up.

0:39:20.000 --> 0:39:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Then there was a there was a whole bunch of

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 2>people left on as well. He just ran a less

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:29.720
<v Speaker 2>than a fucking dishbag. Fucking celebrities that have gotten sober,

0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 2>me included, and and I kind of loved it. But

0:39:34.040 --> 0:39:36.480
<v Speaker 2>as as a skewing, it wasn't bad, and it was

0:39:37.080 --> 0:39:49.879
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't a skewing at all. Okay, I think if

0:39:49.880 --> 0:39:52.919
<v Speaker 2>you're an actor, the way you were an actor, which

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:58.480
<v Speaker 2>I admire greatly, is that I don't see you being

0:39:58.719 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 2>you everywhere.

0:40:00.520 --> 0:40:02.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't think of me anywhere. I hope not.

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:06.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm really trying to be somebody else every time. I

0:40:06.680 --> 0:40:09.040
<v Speaker 3>work really hard at that, in breaking up my own

0:40:09.120 --> 0:40:12.160
<v Speaker 3>rhythms and tried to pick up the rhythm of the

0:40:12.360 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 3>with the writing. I really work hard on that. I mean,

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.200
<v Speaker 3>that's why, I mean some people don't even know I'm

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:20.320
<v Speaker 3>in Napoleon Dynamite because yeah.

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:21.280
<v Speaker 1>God, have you still those pants?

0:40:21.960 --> 0:40:25.279
<v Speaker 3>Everybody else? My one regret in show business is that

0:40:25.320 --> 0:40:28.960
<v Speaker 3>I there the greatest.

0:40:29.760 --> 0:40:30.920
<v Speaker 1>I picked them out of a lineup.

0:40:31.480 --> 0:40:34.520
<v Speaker 3>Jerushe, who was also the co writer but was the

0:40:34.800 --> 0:40:38.920
<v Speaker 3>wife of Jared the director, was also the costume director. Right,

0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 3>that's a small She showed me three different pairs of

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:47.280
<v Speaker 3>pants and I was like, they are amazing.

0:40:47.600 --> 0:40:49.960
<v Speaker 2>So, but is that a thing that you do when

0:40:49.960 --> 0:40:52.600
<v Speaker 2>it comes to like publicity because you're you're happy you

0:40:52.640 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 2>said here and this is you.

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I know you?

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen you do a ton of

0:40:57.840 --> 0:40:59.000
<v Speaker 2>like you did my talk show.

0:40:59.440 --> 0:41:00.840
<v Speaker 1>See I you do a ton of them. Do you

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:01.440
<v Speaker 1>do it purpose?

0:41:01.480 --> 0:41:05.160
<v Speaker 3>Are you not so into I mean, it's strange to

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.480
<v Speaker 3>say this as an actor, but I'm not so into

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:10.760
<v Speaker 3>talking about myself. I'd not rather talk about a specific project.

0:41:11.080 --> 0:41:13.840
<v Speaker 3>And if I do that, then Twitter has kind of

0:41:13.920 --> 0:41:16.800
<v Speaker 3>changed this, Like I feel like I you're quite present

0:41:16.840 --> 0:41:20.439
<v Speaker 3>on that. Also, it is a side of me. It's

0:41:21.080 --> 0:41:23.680
<v Speaker 3>it's the funnier side, the kind of goofy your side.

0:41:24.080 --> 0:41:26.399
<v Speaker 3>But sometimes I open up about the things that I'm

0:41:26.440 --> 0:41:28.680
<v Speaker 3>actually feeling. But most of the time I try to

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:32.080
<v Speaker 3>be light in airy. I try to be a positive force, right,

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:35.520
<v Speaker 3>and in Twitter that's particularly difficult because it's a it's

0:41:35.560 --> 0:41:36.200
<v Speaker 3>a dark place.

0:41:36.360 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 2>It is.

0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:38.360
<v Speaker 1>It is a dark place. It used to be. It

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:38.760
<v Speaker 1>is funny.

0:41:38.760 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 2>I was talking to Josh Robert Thompson recently about who's

0:41:42.640 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 2>the guy who did the robot and the old late

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:47.080
<v Speaker 2>night shows fucking genius, Yeah, and he was we were

0:41:47.080 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 2>talking about how early on Twitter was was kind of great.

0:41:50.840 --> 0:41:54.399
<v Speaker 2>It was fun, it was great light and it went

0:41:54.800 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 2>very dark and I think probably it was the politics

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:00.719
<v Speaker 2>of twenty sixteen and that kind of Yeah.

0:42:00.719 --> 0:42:02.799
<v Speaker 3>I think I think appreciated that a little bit. But

0:42:02.880 --> 0:42:05.560
<v Speaker 3>I think as you were alluding to earlier. It's it's

0:42:05.600 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 3>the ratio, and you know, you get a lot of

0:42:08.400 --> 0:42:12.560
<v Speaker 3>responses from being negative, and so people tend to be

0:42:12.800 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 3>more negative. I think, just to get the attention. They

0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 3>equate negative attention and positive attentions.

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.440
<v Speaker 2>Being the same way. Yeah, I don't do that, No, No,

0:42:21.480 --> 0:42:24.480
<v Speaker 2>it's so strong. Negative attention is deeply stressed.

0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:26.960
<v Speaker 3>Well, because we're performers, right, so there's a part of

0:42:27.040 --> 0:42:30.480
<v Speaker 3>us that wants the audience to lat We want that love, right.

0:42:30.560 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 2>That's also that if they don't like you and you're

0:42:34.280 --> 0:42:35.680
<v Speaker 2>out of business exactly.

0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.080
<v Speaker 3>And it's also like if we were to stand on

0:42:37.120 --> 0:42:39.440
<v Speaker 3>sedge and people were to literally boo and we got

0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 3>the same feeling out of that, that would be.

0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:46.000
<v Speaker 4>Strength, that would be that would be thank you so much,

0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:51.120
<v Speaker 4>Oh bless you all for coming him thrive Gabbages.

0:42:51.480 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly.

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Obviously this is if it was a visual medium, I

0:42:55.320 --> 0:42:57.800
<v Speaker 2>would have thrown a cabbage.

0:42:58.600 --> 0:42:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Garbages.

0:42:59.280 --> 0:42:59.680
<v Speaker 3>Of course.

0:43:00.400 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>What about directing?

0:43:03.080 --> 0:43:05.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh, sometimes I think about it, but other times I'm

0:43:05.600 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 3>just so satisfied with.

0:43:06.600 --> 0:43:10.439
<v Speaker 1>What I do. I think I'd like you to think

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 1>about it more than really.

0:43:11.680 --> 0:43:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because you have a very good personality for it,

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean even talking about it. Like, first of all,

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:19.960
<v Speaker 2>you're positive, and you also you see things and you

0:43:20.040 --> 0:43:23.840
<v Speaker 2>do things like text analysis, which a lot of fucking

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 2>directors could do well doing that. But I think also

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.920
<v Speaker 2>you have this thing. I'm going to do a massive

0:43:30.000 --> 0:43:31.759
<v Speaker 2>name drop right now. Fantastic.

0:43:31.840 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 1>All right.

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 2>So I was directing this movie, yeah, and I did

0:43:35.360 --> 0:43:37.160
<v Speaker 2>a very bad job on it. But I was talking

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 2>to Warren Beatty before I At lunch we wore in

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Beata boom, yeah, yeah, there it goes. And at lunch

0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:45.399
<v Speaker 2>we wore in Beatty because somebody had set us up

0:43:45.840 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 2>at lunch so he could help me because I was

0:43:48.760 --> 0:43:50.239
<v Speaker 2>in the movie and I was directing the movie, and

0:43:50.280 --> 0:43:50.759
<v Speaker 2>so he was.

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 1>I said, I need to talk to guys supposed to

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:55.359
<v Speaker 1>be astonishingly bright. He's amazing and clever.

0:43:55.480 --> 0:44:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Man, that's what it's on every waitress that serves fucking ridiculous.

0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:06.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like it's it's just crazy. I don't think he

0:44:06.880 --> 0:44:07.759
<v Speaker 1>even knows he's doing it.

0:44:07.880 --> 0:44:11.000
<v Speaker 2>Is like, you know, you look fabulous, that this is

0:44:11.040 --> 0:44:12.640
<v Speaker 2>the greatest omelet I've ever seen.

0:44:12.680 --> 0:44:16.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I forgot but shame unbelievable. I like,

0:44:16.520 --> 0:44:18.879
<v Speaker 1>I don't even know, I don't even know. I don't

0:44:18.880 --> 0:44:20.399
<v Speaker 1>think he is hitting on these people. I think he's

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:20.839
<v Speaker 1>just so.

0:44:22.320 --> 0:44:25.799
<v Speaker 2>Kind of just as charmingly anyway, whatever it is. But

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:28.879
<v Speaker 2>he he was talking about directing. The number one thing

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:33.920
<v Speaker 2>he said, don't try and impress anyone. The less you say,

0:44:34.160 --> 0:44:37.320
<v Speaker 2>the more they're going to be impressed, he said, because

0:44:37.320 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 2>they turn everybody turns up when the movie set, and

0:44:39.880 --> 0:44:42.399
<v Speaker 2>they've all got a call sheet. And on that call

0:44:42.480 --> 0:44:46.200
<v Speaker 2>sheet is written bold type right at the top director

0:44:46.280 --> 0:44:49.839
<v Speaker 2>and then your name, So they're already impressed. All that's

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:54.040
<v Speaker 2>going to happen is you're going to disappoint like ah,

0:44:54.080 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 2>And I think that you. I wouldn't have said this

0:44:56.560 --> 0:44:58.200
<v Speaker 2>about you when we were doing the Drew Carries.

0:44:58.400 --> 0:44:59.120
<v Speaker 3>I was out of control.

0:44:59.520 --> 0:45:01.800
<v Speaker 1>You weren't out control. You were younger, yeah, and and

0:45:03.080 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>you were a nice guy.

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:05.719
<v Speaker 2>And I don't I I will, you know, I don't

0:45:05.719 --> 0:45:07.879
<v Speaker 2>want to hold with any idea that there's anything wrong.

0:45:07.920 --> 0:45:09.000
<v Speaker 1>It was none wrong with yeah.

0:45:09.320 --> 0:45:13.040
<v Speaker 2>But you clearly are a human being who's made a transit,

0:45:13.080 --> 0:45:16.760
<v Speaker 2>who grew up. And I think that you have stories

0:45:16.760 --> 0:45:19.400
<v Speaker 2>to tell. And even when you when you told the

0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:21.600
<v Speaker 2>story of you as a little kid in Paris. That's

0:45:22.160 --> 0:45:25.759
<v Speaker 2>fain better visual. We think about it. Thank you.

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:26.759
<v Speaker 1>I will all right.

0:45:27.080 --> 0:45:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Well, so when you're making your movie, I would like

0:45:29.360 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 2>to be angry Parishian these kidd move.

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:38.680
<v Speaker 1>I think it would be fine. I think I could

0:45:38.680 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 1>do it. I could throw a mustache. It depends. Yeah.

0:45:42.840 --> 0:45:45.560
<v Speaker 2>So but just acting then you don't you don't see

0:45:45.560 --> 0:45:47.640
<v Speaker 2>it as a well, that's the wrong thing.

0:45:47.719 --> 0:45:49.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't mean just acting you Oh, I know what

0:45:50.000 --> 0:45:53.319
<v Speaker 3>you're saying, right, Yeah, No, I mean I find my

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:59.239
<v Speaker 3>job very complex and it never gets easy in a

0:45:59.280 --> 0:46:02.920
<v Speaker 3>way where I kind of stop thinking about it. I

0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:07.040
<v Speaker 3>find every day interesting. And you know, I'm on this

0:46:07.080 --> 0:46:11.919
<v Speaker 3>new show called Lucky hank And with Bubble Kirk and

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:17.480
<v Speaker 3>an incredible cast. Right, and we did one episode, episode five,

0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.520
<v Speaker 3>where we were all together. It's a bottle episode. For

0:46:20.760 --> 0:46:22.920
<v Speaker 3>those people that aren't in show business, it's basically when

0:46:22.960 --> 0:46:25.400
<v Speaker 3>the show the studio tells you that we have no

0:46:25.440 --> 0:46:27.960
<v Speaker 3>more money, and so they do an episode where everybody's

0:46:27.960 --> 0:46:31.399
<v Speaker 3>caught together. Right, episodes, snowed in episode or something. You'll

0:46:31.400 --> 0:46:33.440
<v Speaker 3>see it on TV shows all the time. In show business,

0:46:33.440 --> 0:46:35.399
<v Speaker 3>they are called bottle episodes. That's just the short thing.

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:41.080
<v Speaker 3>So the writers of Lucky. Hank were exceptionally good. Had

0:46:41.120 --> 0:46:44.400
<v Speaker 3>all of these characters out in the show in the

0:46:44.400 --> 0:46:47.200
<v Speaker 3>first four episodes, and they were kind of like just

0:46:47.239 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 3>a lot of strings, and you didn't know if Hank

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.239
<v Speaker 3>was the thing that pulled it together or why they

0:46:54.280 --> 0:46:58.080
<v Speaker 3>were necessarily connected. And in this one episode they just

0:46:58.200 --> 0:47:00.560
<v Speaker 3>pulled the string and they realized is that it's been

0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 3>there the entire time, and it pulls everyone together with them.

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.719
<v Speaker 3>And there's a scene where it's twelve pages at a

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:11.200
<v Speaker 3>table and it's a long time, very long time.

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 1>It's like twenty five minutes.

0:47:12.800 --> 0:47:17.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so we're just sitting there talking and it

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:24.160
<v Speaker 3>reinvigorated my sense of my profession and the beauty of

0:47:24.160 --> 0:47:28.879
<v Speaker 3>it in one day. It was so beautiful to see

0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 3>all these actors interact and create something new every single take,

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 3>to push each other but also push the reality of

0:47:36.480 --> 0:47:39.879
<v Speaker 3>what we're making it deeper and deeper every take. And

0:47:40.520 --> 0:47:43.080
<v Speaker 3>one of the things that drives me completely bonkers about

0:47:43.120 --> 0:47:47.799
<v Speaker 3>those that don't take our mutual profession seriously is when

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:51.120
<v Speaker 3>they're off camera and they stop acting, it drives me

0:47:51.160 --> 0:47:55.440
<v Speaker 3>completely bonkers, like I would prefer you not to be

0:47:55.600 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 3>there and I can act to tape, And I have

0:47:58.680 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 3>asked for this before because actors will just like, you know,

0:48:02.000 --> 0:48:03.320
<v Speaker 3>they're just going that long or whatever.

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.000
<v Speaker 2>The camera's on someone, cameras on the other actor.

0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:11.000
<v Speaker 3>They're sitting off camera, and four looks basically so that

0:48:11.080 --> 0:48:13.719
<v Speaker 3>your look looks like but they're they're not acting, and

0:48:13.760 --> 0:48:15.879
<v Speaker 3>they barely know their lines or they don't know their

0:48:15.880 --> 0:48:19.319
<v Speaker 3>lines and they're just reading it. It's so distracting. Yeah,

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:21.479
<v Speaker 3>that I would prefer to have a piece of tape

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:23.840
<v Speaker 3>and I have the script supervisor read, and I will

0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:28.719
<v Speaker 3>look at something that it's like, you're the best actor ever.

0:48:28.800 --> 0:48:31.160
<v Speaker 3>I will make you look good an honest god, but

0:48:31.360 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 3>don't be here right now because you're not.

0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 1>Doing it right.

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:39.480
<v Speaker 3>And this ensemble with Bob as the lead, every single

0:48:39.560 --> 0:48:42.799
<v Speaker 3>take was great, even when it was coverage of like,

0:48:43.120 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, just one person had two cameras on them

0:48:46.360 --> 0:48:48.440
<v Speaker 3>and it was their close up and there are ten

0:48:48.520 --> 0:48:51.239
<v Speaker 3>actors in the scene. Everybody acted their heart out.

0:48:51.440 --> 0:48:55.920
<v Speaker 1>Bob was crying off camera. Yeah, that's that's just a waste.

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:58.160
<v Speaker 3>Of He had already done his close up, but somehow

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:00.120
<v Speaker 3>he tapped into something and he just kept going it,

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:02.560
<v Speaker 3>just kept tapping into it right and it was he

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:05.200
<v Speaker 3>was just one hundred percent there and everyone was right there.

0:49:05.440 --> 0:49:06.680
<v Speaker 3>It felt magical.

0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.000
<v Speaker 1>But that's part of the attraction.

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Like at the very beginning for a lot of people,

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:17.160
<v Speaker 2>I think is the collegiate band Brothers Fields right of

0:49:17.239 --> 0:49:19.319
<v Speaker 2>what it's like to be in an ensemble cast. That's

0:49:19.360 --> 0:49:22.120
<v Speaker 2>exactly right. When you and I were talking going back

0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:24.360
<v Speaker 2>to those early days of the Drew Carey Show, that

0:49:24.480 --> 0:49:27.600
<v Speaker 2>second season, third fourth season run about that period, maybe

0:49:27.600 --> 0:49:31.080
<v Speaker 2>the episode twenty five to episode of one hundred, there

0:49:31.200 --> 0:49:33.760
<v Speaker 2>was a time when I think we were in that space.

0:49:33.840 --> 0:49:36.239
<v Speaker 3>I completely agree with it, and that I think we

0:49:36.400 --> 0:49:40.400
<v Speaker 3>lost it probably about mid fifth season and then and

0:49:40.440 --> 0:49:42.920
<v Speaker 3>then we were just doing a job. But for those

0:49:43.239 --> 0:49:46.440
<v Speaker 3>it's like the rock and roll movies when they, you know,

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.040
<v Speaker 3>the band gets together and then they have their peak

0:49:49.120 --> 0:49:52.040
<v Speaker 3>hits and they're really great, and then they just keep playing.

0:49:53.000 --> 0:49:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they keep.

0:49:54.120 --> 0:49:57.960
<v Speaker 3>Playing, and then they're playing in the then the inevitable happens. Yeah,

0:49:58.640 --> 0:50:01.359
<v Speaker 3>the drum is always kind of but when it's good,

0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:04.719
<v Speaker 3>it's really beautiful. You're like, oh, this is rock and roll.

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 3>This is really good. If one person is off, the

0:50:08.960 --> 0:50:12.040
<v Speaker 3>band is off, right, But when they're all together, it

0:50:12.080 --> 0:50:12.880
<v Speaker 3>all clicks.

0:50:13.040 --> 0:50:13.720
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing.

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's beautiful. And I think that that's kind of odd.

0:50:17.840 --> 0:50:21.680
<v Speaker 2>Even as a viewer when you watch shows, you can

0:50:21.760 --> 0:50:24.400
<v Speaker 2>see like there are shows that just come out of

0:50:24.440 --> 0:50:28.480
<v Speaker 2>the gate and they're amazing, and then you know, season ten,

0:50:29.400 --> 0:50:32.719
<v Speaker 2>they're like, you know, really when they introduced was it

0:50:32.800 --> 0:50:40.719
<v Speaker 2>the sentence dead the dog with sunglasses on theboard, like, okay, yeah.

0:50:39.719 --> 0:50:42.359
<v Speaker 1>But I think that there is a kind of lie.

0:50:42.480 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 1>Carrie Fisher used to say this.

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it was a brilliant thing to say, amongst

0:50:46.480 --> 0:50:49.320
<v Speaker 2>many brilliant things that she was wonderful.

0:50:49.440 --> 0:50:49.880
<v Speaker 1>Did you know her?

0:50:50.200 --> 0:50:51.279
<v Speaker 3>I knew a little bit.

0:50:51.400 --> 0:50:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she was very much for me. When the Late

0:50:55.760 --> 0:50:58.319
<v Speaker 2>Night Show started. I had just written a book and

0:50:59.160 --> 0:51:00.480
<v Speaker 2>she read it and.

0:51:00.360 --> 0:51:03.080
<v Speaker 3>She American on purpose. No before that.

0:51:03.160 --> 0:51:05.080
<v Speaker 2>It was a novel I wrote called Between the Bridge

0:51:05.080 --> 0:51:07.120
<v Speaker 2>and the River and it was a kind of magical

0:51:07.160 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 2>realist thing and I was like, it's never going to

0:51:08.719 --> 0:51:10.319
<v Speaker 2>make any money or anything like that, but I really

0:51:10.320 --> 0:51:12.160
<v Speaker 2>wanted to write it. Yeah, coo, And she read it

0:51:12.200 --> 0:51:14.200
<v Speaker 2>and she was very positive about it and really kind

0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:17.320
<v Speaker 2>of introduced me in a way to Hollywood that hadn't

0:51:17.360 --> 0:51:21.759
<v Speaker 2>been before. She was just amazingly supportive. Wow, she did

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:23.920
<v Speaker 2>that for tons of people. That's so cool. Like she

0:51:23.960 --> 0:51:26.080
<v Speaker 2>had this kind of like artists colony at her house

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:27.759
<v Speaker 2>and you would go up and you'd meet like I

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.279
<v Speaker 2>met the weirdest people. I'm like a Courtney Love up

0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 2>there and all you med like not the courney Love.

0:51:33.239 --> 0:51:34.600
<v Speaker 2>But she has a little weird I think I would

0:51:34.600 --> 0:51:36.560
<v Speaker 2>say that she was here, but I don't think that's

0:51:36.560 --> 0:51:41.000
<v Speaker 2>a big surprise. But I just met a lot of

0:51:41.160 --> 0:51:44.640
<v Speaker 2>a wild array of different people and lovely. But she

0:51:45.080 --> 0:51:50.120
<v Speaker 2>said when I put on that metal bikini when I

0:51:50.160 --> 0:51:54.600
<v Speaker 2>was twenty four, I didn't realize I was making a

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.319
<v Speaker 2>pact with the universe to look like that for the

0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:58.360
<v Speaker 2>rest of my life.

0:51:58.400 --> 0:51:59.360
<v Speaker 3>Wow. Yeah.

0:51:59.400 --> 0:52:01.280
<v Speaker 1>And I you know, it was like it's a moment

0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:04.440
<v Speaker 1>in time. Why can't you let it be that? You know?

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:07.359
<v Speaker 2>And I think that with a sitcom when it all

0:52:07.400 --> 0:52:10.319
<v Speaker 2>comes together, or a movie that all comes together, that

0:52:10.320 --> 0:52:12.000
<v Speaker 2>that's why you know, when people talk about a I

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:15.800
<v Speaker 2>am like, it doesn't frighten me because you know, because

0:52:15.800 --> 0:52:18.640
<v Speaker 2>it's still got there's too much A for the eye tomorrow,

0:52:19.200 --> 0:52:20.120
<v Speaker 2>you know what I'm fucking mean.

0:52:20.160 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 1>It's like why is it? You know, like Papa's been

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:26.200
<v Speaker 1>around a very long time. Yeah, I think.

0:52:25.920 --> 0:52:28.240
<v Speaker 2>That you know this is going to be funny because

0:52:28.280 --> 0:52:29.680
<v Speaker 2>the robot says it's funny.

0:52:29.920 --> 0:52:31.280
<v Speaker 1>Good fucking luck. Robot.

0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:34.480
<v Speaker 3>Whitney Balier says, the jazz is the sound of surprise,

0:52:35.360 --> 0:52:38.880
<v Speaker 3>and that's fucking great. I would say the comedy.

0:52:38.880 --> 0:52:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Is that, and Robin Williams used to say that good

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:42.480
<v Speaker 2>comedy was jazz.

0:52:42.960 --> 0:52:46.560
<v Speaker 1>No, there we go, Phil, You're a joy.

0:52:47.280 --> 0:52:50.080
<v Speaker 2>It is beautiful to talk to you, man, more power

0:52:50.120 --> 0:52:52.719
<v Speaker 2>to I'm really looking forward to seeing Lucky Hank.

0:52:52.800 --> 0:52:54.320
<v Speaker 1>Thanks you well done.

0:52:54.480 --> 0:52:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Thank you.

0:53:00.200 --> 0:53:04.640
<v Speaker 1>The bar paper for Poper