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Speaker 1: Hello!

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Speaker 2: And welcome to Rewind with Karen and Georgia.

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Speaker 3: This is the show where we look back on our

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Speaker 3: old episodes with all new insights, case updates, and pop

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Speaker 3: culture buzzwords.

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Speaker 2: Today we're rewinding to episode 114, which we named Civic Order.

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Speaker 1: This episode originally came out on March 29th, 2018.

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Speaker 2: Let's get into it. The intro of episode 114.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to My Favorite Murder. That's Karen Kilgara. That's Georgia Hardstart.

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Speaker 1: And this is the podcast that tells you what it

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Speaker 1: tells you. It tells you what? Kind of the worst

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Speaker 1: things you could possibly hear. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It really does just tell it right into your ear hole.

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Speaker 3: It just says it right into your eardrum. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So if you're laying in bed at night trying to

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Speaker 4: get something to fall asleep to, this is it.

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Speaker 1: I had a dream that Tenacious D broke up. Am

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Speaker 1: I wrong? That was out of the blue. Literally, a

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Speaker 1: picture just passed through behind my eyes in my brain.

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Speaker 1: A picture. I must have fallen asleep in front of

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Speaker 1: something that informed my dream. Yeah. I hope they didn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they've written nine songs about breaking up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's probably what it is. I watched a weird rerun

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Speaker 1: or something. Oh, you know what I was going to do? Um,

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Speaker 1: this is a new corner. Okay.

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Speaker 3: Cause it's not a correction, but I did. I, I

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Speaker 3: listened to the minute last week's mini sewed and in

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Speaker 3: thinking about the story of the man that was laying

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Speaker 3: under the movie theater seats, because of course we much

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Speaker 3: like the women had happened to were shocked and surprised

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Speaker 3: that there was a man laying under their movie theater

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Speaker 3: seats for an entire movie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: But so we were laughing and stuff. But I did

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Speaker 3: want to underline, if that ever happens, call the police immediately.

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Speaker 3: Don't wait for movie theater employees to call the police.

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Speaker 3: Don't wait for permission to call the police. You call

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Speaker 3: the police immediately because the person that lays under movie

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Speaker 3: theater seats.

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Speaker 1: Is only going to do weirder and more fucked up

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Speaker 1: stuff afterwards. Totally.

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Speaker 3: So I felt bad after I heard that because we

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Speaker 3: were laughing so hard.

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Speaker 4: Well, they did say in it that they talked to

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Speaker 4: the manager and ultimately we called the police.

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Speaker 1: Yes. But I think they were just so shocked by it. Exactly. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: As were we. Yeah. And we didn't call the police either.

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Speaker 3: We didn't. No, I actually, on the re-listen, I called

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Speaker 3: the police. I called Burbank police. I just wanted to

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Speaker 3: say that, like, Sometimes weird thing is not, you don't

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Speaker 3: have to be touched or assaulted in any way that,

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Speaker 3: that deserved a police call for sure.

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Speaker 1: They should have felt a hundred percent great doing that. Definitely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I just, I guess, I don't know. Maybe that's

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Speaker 3: too random, but I wanted to underline it.

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Speaker 1: You've been thinking about it, holding it in. Now there

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Speaker 1: it is.

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Speaker 3: If you don't know what like civic order behavior violates.

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Speaker 1: You can still call the police. They'll figure it out. Yes.

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Speaker 1: They'll get the book out from the shelf, the civic

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Speaker 1: order book. They'll pull it all down and then get

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Speaker 1: into their police cruiser. Sure. Come help you.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 1: Now we have to have a different corner. Okay. That

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Speaker 1: it's been asked of us.

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Speaker 3: They're getting back together.

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Speaker 1: They're getting back together. Oh, is that Tenacious T? Oh,

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Speaker 1: I love Tenacious T.

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Speaker 1: We have to talk about this wild, wild country corner. Oh, fuck.

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Speaker 1: Can people?

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Watch it. Everyone. Guys, let's update a couple things.

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Speaker 3: We heard about the lady's body that was found in

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Speaker 3: the wall years later.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Thank you.

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Speaker 3: Amazing story. Combined everything. We got a lot of tweets

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Speaker 3: about it. Yep.

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Speaker 1: All the way up to and including....

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Speaker 3: This documentary that is incredibly done. Beautifully done. Brilliantly done.

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Speaker 3: Did you watch the whole thing? No.

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Speaker 1: No. Me neither. Can I tell you something? You don't

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Speaker 1: like it. I find it kind of boring. Why do

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Speaker 1: I hate everything? You always say that when it's the

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Speaker 1: I love it, you have to find something wrong with it.

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Speaker 1: When did I know your opinion of it? Well, because

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Speaker 1: I already did it as a story. Yeah, but I

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Speaker 1: thought your story was interesting. Listen, I do think Sheila, though...

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Speaker 1: I could just listen to her talk for hours. She

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Speaker 1: did say one thing. That was a joke. That one?

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Speaker 2: No, she said to someone.

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Speaker 4: I was watching it last night, trying so hard. I

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Speaker 4: watched episode one, and Vince and I were both like, wow,

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Speaker 4: it gets better. So I was like, okay, I'll jump

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Speaker 4: to episode three. So I go to episode three, and

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Speaker 4: it's still boring. But she does say to someone in

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Speaker 4: a news report that, well, what do you say to.

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Speaker 1: The people who blah, blah, blah? And she goes, tough titties.

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Speaker 1: I was just like, wow, that's who I want to be.

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Speaker 3: I mean, she really is kind of a great villain.

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Speaker 4: I just want it to be about like, I guess

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Speaker 4: I don't totally understand what the cult is about. Like

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Speaker 3: They were, you know, they were fighting for, um, he

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Speaker 3: was really into like sex. There was a bunch of

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Speaker 3: kind of like. Buddhist concepts basically where it's like, love

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Speaker 1: Carry an AK-47 around with you everywhere you go.

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Speaker 3: I mean, cause they started getting, I think, I mean, I, I,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's, it was just a, it was a cult. Why,

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Speaker 3: why would any spiritual leader have, was it 37 Rolls Royces?

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Speaker 3: I think 37 is the right number. But like that

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Speaker 1: Like all those things. There's no logic isn't a big.

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Speaker 4: No, it's not like Heaven's Gate where they're like, here's

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Speaker 4: the thing we believe in. There's this and there's this.

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Speaker 4: And we're going to get on fucking the Haley pop

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Speaker 4: like they had like rules and things.

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Speaker 1: But it was it, you know, is that. it was

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Speaker 1: Gurus would pop up. Gurus.

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Speaker 3: This was the person to listen to. This guy was

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Speaker 3: smarter than regular people. Right.

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Speaker 1: Everybody.

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Speaker 3: That's a human trait. We love to think there's one

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Speaker 1: And we'll just do that. And then that'll be fine. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Because whatever we're doing isn't working. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And that's a great concept. That's completely fucking full of shit.

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Speaker 3: Because no one knows anything. Also, some people don't look

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Speaker 3: good in maroon. Fucking take that shirt off, dude. Although

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Speaker 3: there were some insanely hot 70s guys in that documentary.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there were some very good looking 70s people who

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 4: Your mom just got bored of you in her life

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Speaker 1: It was so. Yes, exactly. They were like, you know what?

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Speaker 3: It's that super selfish, like late 70s me generation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Where everyone is like, I have to prioritize myself.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to get divorced and leave all my

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Speaker 1: children behind. It's like, okay. That's why helicopter parenting is

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Speaker 3: Oh, because all of us kids who were left for maroon.

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Speaker 3: For maroon fields of southeastern Oregon.

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Speaker 1: Now we're like. my mom did it wrong so now

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Speaker 3: It this way i'm gonna do it so right yeah

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Speaker 3: i am your shadow caleb and guess what you're gonna

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Speaker 3: hate your parents anyways fucking that's right if they're not

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Speaker 3: them it's real hard to get that english just right

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Speaker 3: on parenting no yeah it doesn't work take it from

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Speaker 4: We did the smart thing and did neither. We parented

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Speaker 1: I was always like, how could I have kids when

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Speaker 1: Oh, what was the other thing? Oh, well, this is

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Speaker 1: just incidental. Okay. But I feel like people like a

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Speaker 1: nice dentist update.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: Always.

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Speaker 3: It's because it's really the rags to riches story of

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Speaker 1: And now I can't stop going to the dentist. Every

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Speaker 1: I love to be like, sorry, I'm stepping into the

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Speaker 3: My highfalutin dentist's office. So again, I went to visit

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Speaker 3: I thought that I was phobic of the dentist. I

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Speaker 3: and before I started going again, my friend Paige Hurwitz,

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Speaker 3: whose parents were doctors, told me, That lidocaine, which is

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Speaker 3: the novocaine that they shoot into your mouth.

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Speaker 1: Like the numbing shit? The numbing shit that gets shot

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Speaker 3: If you are allergic to it or have a sensitivity

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Speaker 3: to it, your blood pressure drops. And the blood pressure

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Speaker 3: dropping is, in me, the same feeling of starting a

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Speaker 3: It in the chair and went, Oh my God, this

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Speaker 3: is what she was talking about. Where I felt like

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Speaker 3: I was falling backwards, even though I was already laying

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Speaker 3: down and I was like, Whoa, Whoa.

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Speaker 1: And I like my hand went up really weird, but

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Speaker 3: Um, But I was still wearing fucking Oakley blades. So

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Speaker 3: it's not like I looked great or anything. But basically,

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Speaker 3: if you're afraid to go to the dentist or you

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Speaker 3: have panic attack type feelings, it could be because you're

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Speaker 3: allergic to lidocaine and you can ask them to give

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Speaker 3: you something different.

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Speaker 1: Well, shit. Like heroin?

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Speaker 3: You can get a heroin shot into your eye and

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Speaker 3: then you don't feel anything.

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Speaker 1: Shots in your eye. For like eight hours.

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Speaker 2: No, it's worth it.

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Speaker 3: But I just like, once I learned that, I was like, oh,

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Speaker 1: The more you know about your teeth. Gling, gling, gling, gling. Gling, gling, gling.

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Speaker 4: So that's going to happen soon. And we'll tell you

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Speaker 4: But it's going to be like exclusive merch that you

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Speaker 1: This is show business, people. This is what you look

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Speaker 1: It has adventures. That's right. It takes weeks and weeks.

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Speaker 1: There's a creek. It meets new people. That's right. There's goblins. Yep.

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Speaker 1: It's a race. Stephen and George are both looking at

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Speaker 4: Dylan the girl made an Inception cartoon of us freaking

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Speaker 3: That's recent everybody's been there's been lots of fun interaction

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Speaker 4: Don't forget mine what's going on over on instagram verified

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Speaker 4: Which means just as that little blue check.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's good. And that means that you can get

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Speaker 4: No, it just means that you're better than your kids

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Speaker 1: Oh, good. And do you email them and let them

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Speaker 1: And then it also sends everybody your social security number. Right.

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Speaker 1: Well, you don't need your social security number.

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Speaker 4: You're a higher being who doesn't require government stuff.

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Speaker 3: I just in my mind had to tell myself three

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Speaker 1: Go live. You're crazy. No, I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Oh. that wasn't fake i swear to god i think

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Speaker 1: Then also on the fan cult there's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: the fuck up no we're not we're gonna come to

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Speaker 4: Went 5 a.m steven can you edit this part just

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Speaker 3: This when I'm laying on my couch like I'm not

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Speaker 4: This was all your idea yours you did this you

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Speaker 3: Come on everybody um I do think it would be

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Speaker 3: cool if we could have a hotline.

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Speaker 1: A hotline? Jesus, you're just adding so much.

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Speaker 3: Just pick up a phone every once in a while

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Speaker 4: I feel like we could do a live hometown read

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Speaker 3: You mean like I grab this microphone and run downstairs

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Speaker 1: No. I man on the street it? No, we just

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Speaker 3: Where?

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Speaker 4: Listen, I'm going to get this together and I'm going

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Speaker 4: to make it make sense. Bring it to me and

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Speaker 4: make me see it with you.

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Speaker 1: I see it here.

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Speaker 4: I just don't have the hair. Someone said they wanted

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Speaker 1: That was an attack on you. Because you know you're

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Speaker 3: I used to play Yahtzee with friends or with buddies. Sure.

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Speaker 4: You're not supposed to talk to strangers, especially with Yahtzee words.

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Speaker 1: No. Spelling your words with Yahtzee.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: Don't Yahtzee with strangers. Don't Yahtzee with strangers.

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Speaker 3: No. No.

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Speaker 1: What was that supposed to be? Don't talk to strangers.

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Speaker 1: Don't yacht to strangers.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 1: Take it out. Do not. This is why we don't

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Speaker 1: go live. Guys, this is. Steven, this is going to

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Watch this. Watch this. Here we go. We start practicing now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: No more edits. Yeah. Can't even imagine.

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Speaker 3: Shit.

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Speaker 1: Well, we do it live on live shows all the time.

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Speaker 4: And we just knock those out of the park every

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Speaker 1: Oh my God. You guys, there was a baby in

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Speaker 4: Head lion king style totally lion king style and it

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Speaker 1: You'll hear it. And then the baby was quiet the

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Speaker 3: Cool. That was a chill baby. But it was weird

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Speaker 3: front of that. Probably, I would guess, eight-month-old baby. Yeah. Oh, guys,

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Speaker 3: this is stuff that's happened to us that you weren't

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Speaker 3: there for. That's a new corner called You Weren't There.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And we're back. If we were marking time by documentaries.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Is the wild, wild country era of your life. What

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I wouldn't have guessed it was that far back, but... Yes. Right?

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Speaker 1: Eight years ago.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Those Duplass brothers, they love doing just like random things

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Speaker 1: They'll do it all and they'll do it all over

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Speaker 1: Silver Lake.

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Speaker 2: That's right.

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Speaker 1: That's how they do it.

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Speaker 2: This is when the fan cult was born.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Oh, my God.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I forgot that it had a birthday. It just seems

448
00:20:19,990 --> 00:20:21,629
Speaker 2: like it was always there with us.

449
00:20:22,070 --> 00:20:22,530
Speaker 1: I know.

450
00:20:23,190 --> 00:20:26,330
Speaker 3: That's so funny. It's like, well, there's enough people where

451
00:20:26,369 --> 00:20:29,720
Speaker 3: we should start a little club that people would actually

452
00:20:29,780 --> 00:20:31,530
Speaker 3: pay to be in a little club with us.

453
00:20:31,540 --> 00:20:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

454
00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:33,020
Speaker 1: Thanks, guys.

455
00:20:33,060 --> 00:20:34,920
Speaker 2: Thanks for everyone who's ever joined the fan cult.

456
00:20:35,100 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 1: We started a fan cult. So no one can ever

457
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:38,909
Speaker 1: take that away from us.

458
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:39,859
Speaker 2: Come at me.

459
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:40,760
Speaker 1: We have a Discord.

460
00:20:41,859 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 3: Sorry.

461
00:20:42,140 --> 00:20:45,640
Speaker 2: We're grownups. That's one step too far, Karen.

462
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 3: Oh, this was the show where I shared the information

463
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,240
Speaker 3: that I was having panic attacks in the dentist chair.

464
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,310
Speaker 3: And then it was actually that I was being given

465
00:20:54,350 --> 00:20:56,150
Speaker 3: Novocaine and I should be given Lidocaine.

466
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Speaker 2: Is that like, I don't know why, like finding stuff

467
00:20:59,170 --> 00:21:02,619
Speaker 2: like that out when you're an adult seems so... either

468
00:21:02,700 --> 00:21:05,260
Speaker 2: rare or just weird that no one ever figured it

469
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:06,100
Speaker 2: out before.

470
00:21:06,380 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 1: Yes, kind of infuriating.

471
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:11,109
Speaker 3: Like, why couldn't we get this onto YouTube in the

472
00:21:11,170 --> 00:21:15,550
Speaker 3: first iteration of when the orchestra collapses? Right after that,

473
00:21:15,570 --> 00:21:17,090
Speaker 3: you could have just come out with a little piece

474
00:21:17,109 --> 00:21:17,910
Speaker 3: of information.

475
00:21:17,970 --> 00:21:19,450
Speaker 2: Did it change anything for you?

476
00:21:19,730 --> 00:21:20,100
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.

477
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,660
Speaker 3: I mean, everyone's seen my gigantic veneers that I've had

478
00:21:23,740 --> 00:21:26,710
Speaker 3: and love. It's one of my favorite purchases. But I mean,

479
00:21:26,790 --> 00:21:29,350
Speaker 3: I started going to the dentist all the time because

480
00:21:29,410 --> 00:21:30,550
Speaker 3: I was in that chair.

481
00:21:30,570 --> 00:21:32,370
Speaker 2: It just solved it. It just solved it.

482
00:21:32,710 --> 00:21:34,070
Speaker 1: Well, I had so much work to do.

483
00:21:34,810 --> 00:21:38,439
Speaker 3: My old teeth, anytime anyone wants to talk about veneers

484
00:21:38,460 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 3: looking fake, I'm like, great.

485
00:21:40,180 --> 00:21:41,380
Speaker 1: I love how fake they look.

486
00:21:41,420 --> 00:21:44,460
Speaker 3: Because my teeth before looked like I was a character

487
00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:47,619
Speaker 3: in Les Miserables. It was fucking insane. Yeah.

488
00:21:48,070 --> 00:21:51,270
Speaker 1: One was chipped in half. They were yellow. They were

489
00:21:51,350 --> 00:21:52,930
Speaker 1: short Irish teeth. Come on.

490
00:21:52,950 --> 00:21:55,290
Speaker 2: No, I don't think your veneers look fake at all.

491
00:21:55,490 --> 00:21:57,270
Speaker 3: There's times when we're podcasting and I feel like I

492
00:21:57,310 --> 00:21:59,100
Speaker 3: can't get my lips around my veneers.

493
00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:01,720
Speaker 2: Well, me too, and they're real, but that's because they're

494
00:22:01,740 --> 00:22:03,580
Speaker 2: so big. Mine are just big, you know?

495
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,220
Speaker 1: I mean, the challenges.

496
00:22:06,540 --> 00:22:08,320
Speaker 2: Truly. It's so hard for us.

497
00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,220
Speaker 1: And still, we started a fan cult.

498
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,910
Speaker 2: And still, we persevere with the fan cults. You're welcome.

499
00:22:14,930 --> 00:22:15,310
Speaker 1: That's right.

500
00:22:16,090 --> 00:22:17,970
Speaker 2: There are good videos there now too, by the way.

501
00:22:17,990 --> 00:22:20,820
Speaker 2: I think everyone should know that we're like not half-assing

502
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 2: the videos we put up weekly.

503
00:22:22,859 --> 00:22:26,380
Speaker 1: No, remember those unboxings? Yeah, I love.

504
00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:29,600
Speaker 2: Unboxing, but it got a little unpredictable.

505
00:22:29,900 --> 00:22:32,200
Speaker 3: It wasn't very inspired. We have to have like a

506
00:22:32,350 --> 00:22:35,510
Speaker 3: little game. That's the fun of it. What are we doing?

507
00:22:35,710 --> 00:22:39,609
Speaker 2: Totally. There's fun games now there. There's like fucking years,

508
00:22:39,750 --> 00:22:43,540
Speaker 2: eight years of videos and All kinds of things there now.

509
00:22:43,780 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 2: All kinds of things. That's fancult.supercast.com if you want to

510
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 2: check it out.

511
00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,400
Speaker 1: If you want to hear the secrets.

512
00:22:49,609 --> 00:22:52,830
Speaker 2: If you're in that season of your life where you're

513
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:56,930
Speaker 2: ready to handle a fan cult, then check it out. Okay,

514
00:22:56,950 --> 00:22:59,870
Speaker 2: let's get into your story because it's a fucking banger.

515
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 2: It's one of the big ones. So let's get into

516
00:23:02,940 --> 00:23:05,460
Speaker 2: Karen's story about the Hillside Stranglers.

517
00:23:06,420 --> 00:23:15,369
Speaker 1: Hello. Who goes first this week? Karen. Karen Kilgariff.

518
00:23:15,970 --> 00:23:18,750
Speaker 3: Also, The Alienist is now over, and I would just

519
00:23:18,790 --> 00:23:23,100
Speaker 3: like to say to everybody involved, great fucking job.

520
00:23:23,140 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: I watched every episode twice. Nice. That means, George, I

521
00:23:25,980 --> 00:23:27,300
Speaker 1: thought it was boring. No.

522
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 2: I can't.

523
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,379
Speaker 1: I'm going to binge watch it. I'm going to make

524
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: myself sick, and I'm going to binge watch it. Do it.

525
00:23:34,220 --> 00:23:37,530
Speaker 3: A hundred percent, because outfits are amazing. I want to

526
00:23:37,550 --> 00:23:38,490
Speaker 3: be able to talk to you about it.

527
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:39,629
Speaker 1: God damn it. I'll talk to you.

528
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: Okay.

529
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: I won't stop talking to you because of this. Dakota

530
00:23:44,300 --> 00:23:47,490
Speaker 1: Fanning rules it. The whole idea of it.

531
00:23:47,609 --> 00:23:50,949
Speaker 3: At one point in the last episode, she walked up

532
00:23:50,970 --> 00:23:53,609
Speaker 3: to tell the police chief something. She's like the first person,

533
00:23:54,109 --> 00:23:57,290
Speaker 3: the first woman to work in the New York police department.

534
00:23:57,310 --> 00:23:59,580
Speaker 3: I don't think it's based on a true real person,

535
00:23:59,730 --> 00:24:02,139
Speaker 3: although I could be wrong, but she walks up and

536
00:24:02,220 --> 00:24:04,500
Speaker 3: she is wearing like culottes.

537
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,659
Speaker 1: She's, it looks like it's supposed to be like a

538
00:24:08,700 --> 00:24:12,270
Speaker 1: long dress. But then you see that it's actually pants.

539
00:24:12,380 --> 00:24:14,130
Speaker 1: It's the coolest thing that's very subtle.

540
00:24:14,210 --> 00:24:18,330
Speaker 3: Yeah. And I was like, that fucking costume department nailed

541
00:24:18,390 --> 00:24:18,950
Speaker 3: it hard.

542
00:24:18,970 --> 00:24:21,670
Speaker 1: That'd be a fun costume department to work in probably, huh?

543
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: So many vests. So many vests. Highest shoulders you've ever seen.

544
00:24:24,900 --> 00:24:31,300
Speaker 1: Insane shoulders. So much crazy. Like, it was a fascinating thing. Well,

545
00:24:31,420 --> 00:24:33,470
Speaker 1: the rest of us will watch it. And then we'll

546
00:24:33,510 --> 00:24:36,129
Speaker 1: talk to you about it. And then we'll all gather up.

547
00:24:36,170 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 1: We'll meet back here live. We'll do a special live.

548
00:24:41,020 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 1: It'll be great. Meet us live here. Yeah.

549
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,760
Speaker 3: We're doing this. We're going fully Regis.

550
00:24:47,460 --> 00:24:50,550
Speaker 1: And Kelly on this. I swear to God. I'm in.

551
00:24:50,590 --> 00:24:52,109
Speaker 1: I mean, it's going to be a disaster, but I

552
00:24:52,150 --> 00:24:52,850
Speaker 1: love a disaster.

553
00:24:53,070 --> 00:24:57,340
Speaker 3: Listen, Betty White started her career by doing morning television

554
00:24:57,380 --> 00:25:00,040
Speaker 3: in L.A., and they used to do morning television for

555
00:25:00,140 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 3: five hours.

556
00:25:00,820 --> 00:25:01,780
Speaker 1: Holy shit.

557
00:25:01,820 --> 00:25:04,100
Speaker 3: So they'd go on the air, whatever, at 6 a.m.,

558
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:08,360
Speaker 3: and then go off the air at, like, whatever plus

559
00:25:08,380 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 3: five is.

560
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,300
Speaker 1: Whatever that is. Somewhere around two? I don't know. I

561
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,440
Speaker 1: don't know. That's all. That's what you get with live shit.

562
00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:21,790
Speaker 1: This is all you. Now, it's interesting that you started

563
00:25:21,810 --> 00:25:26,310
Speaker 1: talking about the L.A. live show because... And hopefully....

564
00:25:27,010 --> 00:25:29,389
Speaker 3: Well, I made a mistake at the live show in

565
00:25:29,430 --> 00:25:34,340
Speaker 3: Los Angeles. As we talked about, I was nervous. But

566
00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 3: I had planned up until... right before that I was

567
00:25:38,780 --> 00:25:44,580
Speaker 3: going to do the Hillside Stranglers. Yeah. And then I

568
00:25:44,600 --> 00:25:47,220
Speaker 3: changed my mind because I was like, it's so awful.

569
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,020
Speaker 3: Awful and dense. The details is very dense.

570
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:50,780
Speaker 1: The details, whatever.

571
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,450
Speaker 3: Um, so I switched it, talked about an awesome woman. Uh,

572
00:25:56,869 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 3: you'll hear when you do it, whatever. But I actually

573
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,290
Speaker 3: told the audience I was going to do it and

574
00:26:02,350 --> 00:26:05,350
Speaker 3: change my mind why I would do that. I have no,

575
00:26:05,460 --> 00:26:08,169
Speaker 3: that's like one of the great rules of performance. You

576
00:26:08,210 --> 00:26:09,610
Speaker 3: don't tell people what you're.

577
00:26:09,490 --> 00:26:12,250
Speaker 1: Not going to fucking do and give them the opportunity

578
00:26:12,270 --> 00:26:14,350
Speaker 1: to be like, Oh, I wish you had done that.

579
00:26:14,369 --> 00:26:16,610
Speaker 1: You told them you weren't going to do the hillside strangler.

580
00:26:16,670 --> 00:26:18,250
Speaker 1: And then instead you're going to do some woman that

581
00:26:18,270 --> 00:26:20,889
Speaker 1: they'd never heard of. And it was.

582
00:26:20,770 --> 00:26:24,429
Speaker 3: Just like, Oh, the baby was like, I'm the, I'm

583
00:26:24,490 --> 00:26:26,830
Speaker 3: out of here. The baby was like, I paid good

584
00:26:27,090 --> 00:26:32,070
Speaker 3: fucking money to be alive. Um, I mean, I was

585
00:26:32,170 --> 00:26:35,990
Speaker 3: talking about like the first city editor of a newspaper.

586
00:26:36,010 --> 00:26:41,929
Speaker 1: It was great. Now I'm getting defensive. Uh, anyway, I

587
00:26:41,970 --> 00:26:42,510
Speaker 1: took all.

588
00:26:42,410 --> 00:26:46,659
Speaker 3: My research and now I'm doing the Hillside Stranglers.

589
00:26:46,780 --> 00:26:48,940
Speaker 1: How come neither of us have done it? It's crazy.

590
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,859
Speaker 3: It's, you know, I think these ones that this is

591
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,189
Speaker 3: one of those ones, um, The cops didn't pay attention

592
00:26:56,390 --> 00:27:00,639
Speaker 3: because the first three victims were sex workers and runaways.

593
00:27:00,780 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 3: It's that thing that happens in all of the common

594
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: denominator in these stories is people making a snap judgment

595
00:27:08,859 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 3: on the value of a woman's life and then deciding

596
00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,310
Speaker 3: whether or not they deserve to have their murder investigated.

597
00:27:15,810 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 3: prosecuted it's like so frustrating it feels so layered and

598
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:24,300
Speaker 3: shitty yeah and here we go and that's what you

599
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,270
Speaker 3: tuned in for hi everybody So this, um, from October,

600
00:27:28,270 --> 00:27:32,409
Speaker 3: 1977 to February, 1978, the city of Los Angeles and

601
00:27:32,450 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 3: most of Southern California was paralyzed with fear. Women were

602
00:27:35,859 --> 00:27:39,220
Speaker 3: being murdered and brazenly. I wrote that dumped in the

603
00:27:39,260 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 3: Hills of Los Angeles. Um, many times in full view.

604
00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:46,859
Speaker 3: Now that's something I didn't really understand until I started

605
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,899
Speaker 3: looking at pictures and researching for the show that I

606
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:54,530
Speaker 3: didn't do it at. Um, Truly, it was this display.

607
00:27:54,550 --> 00:27:58,510
Speaker 3: And it was so fucking creepy and crazy. And oftentimes,

608
00:27:59,109 --> 00:28:02,109
Speaker 3: especially in the later ones, they would be dumped in

609
00:28:02,130 --> 00:28:03,990
Speaker 3: the middle of a neighborhood.

610
00:28:04,010 --> 00:28:06,500
Speaker 1: So one of the victims....

611
00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:10,060
Speaker 3: The guy walked outside of his house and sees a

612
00:28:10,180 --> 00:28:13,220
Speaker 3: dead teenage girl naked and splayed out.

613
00:28:13,740 --> 00:28:15,619
Speaker 1: And he went and threw a tarp over her. Yeah.

614
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,900
Speaker 3: Because he's like, the kids are going to be leaving

615
00:28:18,940 --> 00:28:20,220
Speaker 3: for school and come and see this.

616
00:28:20,270 --> 00:28:25,149
Speaker 1: So you destroy evidence, but it's for the good of... Well,

617
00:28:25,170 --> 00:28:27,030
Speaker 1: I mean, just because it's like, what the fuck is

618
00:28:27,070 --> 00:28:29,629
Speaker 1: going on? And like, this is... It's so extreme.

619
00:28:29,670 --> 00:28:29,950
Speaker 2: And so.

620
00:28:30,290 --> 00:28:31,129
Speaker 1: And this was.

621
00:28:31,650 --> 00:28:33,950
Speaker 3: In the late 70s, and we've talked about those other murders,

622
00:28:34,210 --> 00:28:35,290
Speaker 3: like the freeway killers.

623
00:28:35,310 --> 00:28:35,969
Speaker 1: Remember when there was.

624
00:28:36,510 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: It was either two or three freeway killers at the

625
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:40,540
Speaker 3: same time.

626
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,460
Speaker 1: Like, just... In Southern California. There was so much. Yes. Yeah.

627
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:48,580
Speaker 1: And so then this started happening. Jeez.

628
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:49,400
Speaker 4: So.

629
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: Their bodies were found... I don't know why I wrote this, like,

630
00:28:54,260 --> 00:29:01,030
Speaker 1: synopsis paragraph. I probably spent a really long time on it, too. So, basically... When.

631
00:29:00,930 --> 00:29:04,690
Speaker 3: We're talking about the Hillside Stranglers, at first, the media

632
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:07,150
Speaker 3: was calling them the Hillside Strangler because they assumed it

633
00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:10,590
Speaker 3: was one murderer. But secretly, the cops knew it was

634
00:29:10,650 --> 00:29:13,110
Speaker 3: two because they were seeing where these bodies were placed.

635
00:29:13,690 --> 00:29:17,350
Speaker 3: And they knew that one man couldn't be lifting, carrying,

636
00:29:17,390 --> 00:29:19,150
Speaker 3: or placing these bodies where they ended up.

637
00:29:19,790 --> 00:29:20,810
Speaker 1: But they didn't release.

638
00:29:20,590 --> 00:29:23,080
Speaker 3: That to the media because they knew that that would

639
00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: help them later on.

640
00:29:24,180 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 1: Right.

641
00:29:27,300 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 3: But when they did find out who it was, it

642
00:29:29,620 --> 00:29:35,610
Speaker 3: was a couple of cousins named Angelo Buono and Kenneth Bianchi.

643
00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: Two of the worst people that have ever existed. Absolutely.

644
00:29:39,900 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 1: Just simply that. Trash people.

645
00:29:43,260 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 3: Well, and I remember a while ago, we're starting to

646
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 3: read the true crime book about the Hillside Stranglers and

647
00:29:51,740 --> 00:29:55,990
Speaker 3: the details with which they described what happened to these

648
00:29:56,070 --> 00:30:02,270
Speaker 3: girls and women in Angela Buono's house. slash upholstery uh

649
00:30:02,370 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: fucking shop are so upsetting and insane and extreme i

650
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:07,540
Speaker 3: stopped reading the.

651
00:30:07,500 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 4: Book it's there's there's sadists yes it's torture it's they tortured.

652
00:30:12,300 --> 00:30:15,660
Speaker 3: All of them and they and angelo buono especially he's

653
00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 3: like the son of fucking satan and yeah and coulter.

654
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,350
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of a bad woman bad enough bad enough.

655
00:30:25,730 --> 00:30:27,310
Speaker 1: That works. Um, I think it works.

656
00:30:27,690 --> 00:30:30,860
Speaker 3: He, he was an, okay. So he's born in 19, uh,

657
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: October 5th, 1934. Um, he was obsessed with sex from

658
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,220
Speaker 3: a young age and he, there was problems from the beginning. Uh,

659
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:48,310
Speaker 3: he obviously had a lifelong hatred of women. Um, he, uh,

660
00:30:49,410 --> 00:30:51,010
Speaker 3: had a criminal record by the time he was a

661
00:30:51,070 --> 00:30:56,220
Speaker 3: teenager for a sexual assault, um, doing things like pulling

662
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,070
Speaker 3: down a girl's underwear, bragging that he had raped, um,

663
00:31:00,620 --> 00:31:03,020
Speaker 3: women when he or girls when he was 14 like

664
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,500
Speaker 3: he was he was fucked up um when he was

665
00:31:07,500 --> 00:31:10,420
Speaker 3: 17 he married his high school sweetheart he.

666
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,740
Speaker 4: Had his high school sweetheart yeah how is that the

667
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,350
Speaker 4: word sweet yeah it doesn't really how about just the

668
00:31:15,530 --> 00:31:18,750
Speaker 4: the woman who's the girl who stuck around him well

669
00:31:18,770 --> 00:31:19,190
Speaker 4: the girl.

670
00:31:19,050 --> 00:31:21,410
Speaker 3: That got like it's almost like you know when ricky

671
00:31:21,450 --> 00:31:24,010
Speaker 3: ticky tabby when the snake goes up and you're hypnotized

672
00:31:24,070 --> 00:31:26,190
Speaker 3: by the eyes i think that's what it is sure

673
00:31:26,470 --> 00:31:28,590
Speaker 3: it's that thing where you're like Oh my God, this

674
00:31:28,910 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: swarthy Italian is paying so much attention to me.

675
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 1: Oh, he just hit me in the face. Oh wait,

676
00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:36,479
Speaker 1: now he's sorry. He wants to marry me.

677
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:36,820
Speaker 3: Yup.

678
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,500
Speaker 1: Yup. I would love to get married. Um, the magazines

679
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 1: say I should. Yeah. Uh, okay.

680
00:31:43,580 --> 00:31:50,030
Speaker 3: So he, um, basically he abandons his high school sweetheart after, uh, and,

681
00:31:50,050 --> 00:31:52,310
Speaker 3: and her and their unborn child.

682
00:31:52,350 --> 00:31:54,510
Speaker 1: Thank God for her. Once he finds out, he knocks

683
00:31:54,530 --> 00:31:55,630
Speaker 1: her up. Yes, exactly. Exactly.

684
00:31:56,040 --> 00:32:00,060
Speaker 3: Then he marries a woman named Mary Castillo. Again, domestic

685
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:07,870
Speaker 3: violence issues. Then, not until he rapes their two-year-old daughter

686
00:32:08,430 --> 00:32:09,230
Speaker 3: does she leave him.

687
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:11,790
Speaker 1: And then she goes back to him after that. What

688
00:32:11,890 --> 00:32:13,330
Speaker 1: the fuck?

689
00:32:14,870 --> 00:32:19,910
Speaker 3: Then she eventually finds herself. He handcuffs her and holds

690
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:22,500
Speaker 3: her at gunpoint. And then she finally leaves him.

691
00:32:23,490 --> 00:32:25,220
Speaker 1: But it's like, that's why I couldn't read the book.

692
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 1: I was just like, this is... Who are these fucking people?

693
00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: What the fuck? Why doesn't a big truck ever hit

694
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,980
Speaker 1: that guy? Seriously. I mean, it probably has. Like, I

695
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,060
Speaker 1: bet there's a lot of people who have died that, like,

696
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,900
Speaker 1: were those people. That super deserved it. Yeah. It's like

697
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:44,810
Speaker 1: the end of The Lovely Bones when the killer just gets... Don't, don't, don't.

698
00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:46,930
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right. Read The Lovely Bones, though. It's

699
00:32:46,990 --> 00:32:49,610
Speaker 1: fucking incredible. It's such a good book. Such an incredible book.

700
00:32:49,670 --> 00:32:53,990
Speaker 1: It's such a good book. Um... And not a bad movie. Oh, yeah.

701
00:32:54,010 --> 00:33:01,170
Speaker 1: That's a good movie. Okay, so... Two-year-old. A two-year-old. It's

702
00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:07,110
Speaker 1: so filthy. And he's just pathological. Depraved. Yeah.

703
00:33:08,210 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 3: So, of course, he becomes a car upholsterer in 1975.

704
00:33:10,300 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 3: What else are you going to do with this fucking

705
00:33:12,700 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: stupid idiot?

706
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,980
Speaker 1: I mean, think about that, too. When you have to

707
00:33:16,020 --> 00:33:19,620
Speaker 1: be an upholsterer, it's all that, like, punching. And ripping.

708
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:19,700
Speaker 3: We.

709
00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 3: Doesn't Tom Sibley's hometown was also a person that, remember

710
00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:26,780
Speaker 3: it was the guy that made patio furniture and like

711
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 3: the weird tools and stuff.

712
00:33:28,100 --> 00:33:30,340
Speaker 1: Yeah. That was like a way in way back episodes.

713
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. The guy, the guy killed his mother. That was

714
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 3: a crazy story, but it reminded me of the same thing.

715
00:33:34,510 --> 00:33:36,610
Speaker 3: Be careful of upholsterers. Sorry.

716
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:40,710
Speaker 1: The upholsterer, the murdering upholsterers right now are fucking. They're crying.

717
00:33:40,730 --> 00:33:44,730
Speaker 3: They're fucking calling 911.

718
00:33:45,430 --> 00:33:47,660
Speaker 1: This is not a, this, this is not a thing

719
00:33:47,700 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: to call 911. No. Please. Please.

720
00:33:50,260 --> 00:33:54,420
Speaker 3: Just email Steven. He loves to hear from you. Okay,

721
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: so that's Angelo Buono. He's the older cousin. He's definitely

722
00:33:58,720 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: the cult leader in this two-man cult of fucking terror.

723
00:34:02,220 --> 00:34:05,660
Speaker 1: I hate his guts. He's really disgusting. Okay. And when

724
00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:06,350
Speaker 1: he has.

725
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,170
Speaker 3: Like when he, when he looks like an old fashioned, uh,

726
00:34:11,250 --> 00:34:14,270
Speaker 3: you know, Brooklyn grocer in some of his pictures, but

727
00:34:14,330 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: then he grows this fucking handlebar mustache and he, it's satanic.

728
00:34:19,219 --> 00:34:21,620
Speaker 1: He looks like the most evil person on the planet.

729
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,650
Speaker 1: Is he the tall skinny one? No, he's skinny, but

730
00:34:24,670 --> 00:34:25,250
Speaker 1: he's smaller.

731
00:34:25,370 --> 00:34:25,630
Speaker 2: Okay.

732
00:34:26,300 --> 00:34:29,779
Speaker 1: Bianchi, uh, Kempf Bianchi, the younger cousin was the taller one.

733
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:35,100
Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. And he was born May 22nd, 1951. He's

734
00:34:35,100 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 3: 17 years younger.

735
00:34:35,820 --> 00:34:38,640
Speaker 1: Okay. He's definitely like a sad sack follower.

736
00:34:38,860 --> 00:34:42,009
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he was abandoned by his mother who was

737
00:34:42,070 --> 00:34:44,720
Speaker 3: a sex worker and an alcoholic. He's, it gets adopted

738
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 3: by the Bianchi family. Um, he's troubled all his childhood

739
00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 3: bedwetter until he was a teenager.

740
00:34:51,940 --> 00:34:56,470
Speaker 1: So a violent tempers, compulsive liar.

741
00:34:56,890 --> 00:35:00,549
Speaker 3: And of course, because he fell off a jungle gym

742
00:35:00,570 --> 00:35:04,350
Speaker 3: when he was six, it is leaving him with a

743
00:35:04,590 --> 00:35:10,129
Speaker 3: head injury, frontal lobe damage. And they think that had

744
00:35:10,489 --> 00:35:12,629
Speaker 3: that basically affected his personality.

745
00:35:12,650 --> 00:35:12,730
Speaker 2: Yeah.

746
00:35:13,330 --> 00:35:16,620
Speaker 3: So, um, that's quite the combination is you're the sadist

747
00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:20,029
Speaker 3: older cousin and then the kind of like, maybe could

748
00:35:20,070 --> 00:35:21,030
Speaker 3: have been fine.

749
00:35:21,330 --> 00:35:25,730
Speaker 1: Right. But then, uh, bad influence. Yeah, definitely was not. And,

750
00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: and it's like influence, but also just the perfect opportunity. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.

751
00:35:33,420 --> 00:35:35,180
Speaker 3: There's nothing like that thing where like someone gets an

752
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,180
Speaker 3: idea and you know, you shouldn't do it, but if

753
00:35:37,260 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: they're into it, you're like, well then fine. I mean,

754
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 3: it's that weird, like, Look, I've got this older cousin

755
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:50,529
Speaker 3: that just loves to be the devil. Okay, so he

756
00:35:50,590 --> 00:35:56,069
Speaker 3: wasn't that smart, easy to influence, and he had already

757
00:35:56,989 --> 00:35:59,620
Speaker 3: had a failed marriage. He tried to go to college.

758
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 3: He wanted to study psychology. He drops out after a semester.

759
00:36:03,140 --> 00:36:04,220
Speaker 3: No shame in that, buddy.

760
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: Hey, been there.

761
00:36:04,980 --> 00:36:10,270
Speaker 3: Been there, done it. He also was obsessed with being

762
00:36:10,330 --> 00:36:11,569
Speaker 3: a cop. Ooh.

763
00:36:11,830 --> 00:36:15,790
Speaker 1: Yeah. But he was rejected because of psych tests. Ooh.

764
00:36:15,810 --> 00:36:17,609
Speaker 1: He failed psych tests.

765
00:36:17,830 --> 00:36:20,910
Speaker 3: And he had a girlfriend named Kelly Boyd. So he basically,

766
00:36:20,930 --> 00:36:25,660
Speaker 3: in 1976... he in beginning of 1976, he moves from Rochester,

767
00:36:25,700 --> 00:36:29,569
Speaker 3: New York to LA to, um, to go live with

768
00:36:29,620 --> 00:36:33,010
Speaker 3: his older cousin, Angelo. They don't have a lot of money.

769
00:36:33,350 --> 00:36:35,370
Speaker 3: So they get the idea that they're going to become pimps.

770
00:36:36,090 --> 00:36:38,390
Speaker 3: And the way they're going to do that is they're

771
00:36:38,430 --> 00:36:41,290
Speaker 3: going to go out and they're going to kidnap a

772
00:36:41,330 --> 00:36:45,590
Speaker 3: couple of runaways and basically make them be sex workers

773
00:36:45,690 --> 00:36:46,209
Speaker 3: for them.

774
00:36:46,750 --> 00:36:47,509
Speaker 1: So they do that.

775
00:36:47,590 --> 00:36:52,100
Speaker 3: They actually find, um, two teenage girls, uh, once named,

776
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 3: Sabra Hannon and one's named Becky Spears. And they take

777
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:00,549
Speaker 3: him back to Angela's apartment. And they're like, this is

778
00:37:00,570 --> 00:37:02,589
Speaker 3: what you have to do now. They're being pimped by

779
00:37:02,630 --> 00:37:06,790
Speaker 3: those two. And Becky meets a lawyer and she tells

780
00:37:06,830 --> 00:37:09,290
Speaker 3: him what's happening. She tells him the situation and he

781
00:37:09,350 --> 00:37:12,520
Speaker 3: helps her escape, get out of the city. And when

782
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:17,919
Speaker 3: she goes, then Sabra then has the guts to then

783
00:37:17,980 --> 00:37:21,250
Speaker 3: run away herself. So they get away.

784
00:37:21,330 --> 00:37:22,470
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

785
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:30,220
Speaker 3: So they then impersonate police officers and kidnap another runaway.

786
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,620
Speaker 3: They put her in the girl's bedroom. They set it

787
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,090
Speaker 3: up to have her be their next sex worker. And

788
00:37:40,030 --> 00:37:44,300
Speaker 3: they buy a trick list from a sex worker named

789
00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: Debra Noble.

790
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,820
Speaker 1: So this is basically... a bunch of dudes.

791
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,339
Speaker 3: Names who frequent, um, sex workers so that they can

792
00:37:51,420 --> 00:37:54,219
Speaker 3: get ahold of people directly and basically start their own

793
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:56,060
Speaker 3: pimping empire.

794
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,620
Speaker 1: Fucked up time, man. Yes. Super gross. No, well now

795
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:00,469
Speaker 1: here's the thing.

796
00:38:00,989 --> 00:38:05,509
Speaker 3: They, uh, so Deborah and her friend Yolanda Washington go

797
00:38:05,550 --> 00:38:10,170
Speaker 3: deliver that trick list to Angela's apartment in, uh, October

798
00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:13,830
Speaker 3: of 1977. But when they go to use it, they

799
00:38:13,870 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 3: find out it's fake. Oh, so, They get furious, of course.

800
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,280
Speaker 3: They get into their car. They go try to find

801
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 3: Deborah Noble, and they can't find her. But then they remember,

802
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 3: as they're driving around to find her, that when they

803
00:38:26,940 --> 00:38:29,680
Speaker 3: were talking to Yolanda, that Yolanda told them that sometimes

804
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 3: she works, because she was also a sex worker, she

805
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 3: works on Sunset Boulevard.

806
00:38:34,420 --> 00:38:35,980
Speaker 1: So they go down there to find her, and they

807
00:38:36,020 --> 00:38:37,620
Speaker 1: do find her. Yeah.

808
00:38:38,660 --> 00:38:42,380
Speaker 3: The next night, October 18th, 1977, the body of Yolanda

809
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: Washington is found on a hillside in Forest Lawn Cemetery.

810
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 1: What? That's, like, right there. Uh-huh.

811
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: It's, yeah, close by. Also, she's naked. She's posed in

812
00:38:55,219 --> 00:38:59,919
Speaker 3: a grotesque, lewd position. She's got ligature marks, strangulation marks,

813
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,580
Speaker 3: ligature marks on her wrists, strangulation marks. She had been

814
00:39:03,820 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 3: strangled with, like, rope around her neck. and they determined

815
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,509
Speaker 3: she was raped. She was a 20-year-old woman. Oh, my God.

816
00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:17,930
Speaker 3: But when the police arrive, one of the detectives on

817
00:39:17,969 --> 00:39:19,830
Speaker 3: the case is Detective Frank Salerno.

818
00:39:20,030 --> 00:39:20,650
Speaker 2: Oh, shit.

819
00:39:20,930 --> 00:39:21,330
Speaker 3: Frank.

820
00:39:21,390 --> 00:39:23,630
Speaker 1: Frank. We've talked about Frank Salerno a lot.

821
00:39:23,810 --> 00:39:28,669
Speaker 3: He went on after this case, so he worked this case, and.

822
00:39:30,860 --> 00:39:36,140
Speaker 3: Then when it was over, and what, six years later, whenever,

823
00:39:36,300 --> 00:39:40,540
Speaker 3: when the Night Stalker case started, he also, he took

824
00:39:40,580 --> 00:39:43,319
Speaker 3: what he learned and from the mistakes that they made

825
00:39:43,390 --> 00:39:45,830
Speaker 3: on the Hillside Strangler case and And it helped him

826
00:39:45,890 --> 00:39:46,870
Speaker 3: catch the Night Stalker.

827
00:39:46,890 --> 00:39:48,070
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

828
00:39:48,310 --> 00:39:52,230
Speaker 3: He also was assigned to the Natalie Wood drowning.

829
00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:56,310
Speaker 1: Oh, shit. And there's a lot of controversy about, obviously.

830
00:39:56,330 --> 00:40:00,109
Speaker 3: We all know about that, about how that report came

831
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 3: through and how it was found to be a drowning

832
00:40:03,100 --> 00:40:04,899
Speaker 3: and nothing suspicious and all that.

833
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:06,700
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. He's like.

834
00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 3: it's the timing of him being a detective on LAPD

835
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 3: is so crazy. Yeah. Is he like in the center

836
00:40:14,219 --> 00:40:17,739
Speaker 3: of everything? So, so two weeks later, November 1st, 1977,

837
00:40:17,739 --> 00:40:20,770
Speaker 3: around six in the morning, a homeowner in La Crescenta,

838
00:40:20,830 --> 00:40:23,450
Speaker 3: this is the one I was talking about. Um, and

839
00:40:23,770 --> 00:40:27,930
Speaker 3: La Crescenta is 12 miles North of Los Angeles.

840
00:40:28,210 --> 00:40:28,750
Speaker 2: Don't you live there?

841
00:40:30,130 --> 00:40:30,630
Speaker 1: Oh shit.

842
00:40:30,650 --> 00:40:30,950
Speaker 3: Sorry.

843
00:40:31,710 --> 00:40:35,130
Speaker 1: Edit that out. So he was like, um, no, no. Steven,

844
00:40:35,150 --> 00:40:37,800
Speaker 1: do you want to say where you live? Isla South Pasadena.

845
00:40:38,340 --> 00:40:38,460
Speaker 3: Oh.

846
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 1: Okay. Have you ever thought of moving to La Crescenta?

847
00:40:42,300 --> 00:40:44,060
Speaker 1: I think you should move to La Crescenta. I mean,

848
00:40:44,480 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: I want to hear about it, though. It's great. Tell

849
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: us about it, Karen.

850
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:51,140
Speaker 3: It's a little kind of upper middle class neighborhood. It's

851
00:40:51,260 --> 00:40:57,900
Speaker 3: nestled right into those foothills. Are they foothills or are

852
00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 3: they regular hills?

853
00:40:59,140 --> 00:41:01,739
Speaker 1: I don't know. Okay, so.

854
00:41:02,940 --> 00:41:05,779
Speaker 3: Two weeks later, on November 1st, 1977, around 6 in

855
00:41:05,820 --> 00:41:09,860
Speaker 3: the morning, a homeowner in La Crescenta walks outside of

856
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:13,130
Speaker 3: his house and sees the dead body of a 15-year-old

857
00:41:13,170 --> 00:41:16,189
Speaker 3: girl laying on the hillside across the street from his home.

858
00:41:17,770 --> 00:41:20,150
Speaker 3: So he goes and covers her body with a tarp

859
00:41:20,550 --> 00:41:22,729
Speaker 3: because all these kids are about to leave their.

860
00:41:22,650 --> 00:41:23,490
Speaker 1: House to go to school.

861
00:41:24,610 --> 00:41:29,460
Speaker 3: And soon they identify the victim as 15-year-old Judy Miller.

862
00:41:30,010 --> 00:41:34,779
Speaker 3: She was a runaway, sometimes sex worker in Hollywood. And

863
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 3: she also has ligature marks on her wrists, her neck,

864
00:41:38,340 --> 00:41:42,930
Speaker 3: and her ankles. And so now they know she's bound

865
00:41:42,969 --> 00:41:46,270
Speaker 3: and she was murdered somewhere else and bound somewhere else

866
00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:49,420
Speaker 3: and then dumped in this a second location.

867
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 1: And this is detective Salerno.

868
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,899
Speaker 3: When he is looking at Judy's body, he notices a, a,

869
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:58,750
Speaker 3: a piece of light colored fluff on her eyelid and

870
00:41:58,790 --> 00:42:00,450
Speaker 3: he pulls it and saves it.

871
00:42:00,530 --> 00:42:02,070
Speaker 1: For evidence later.

872
00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:05,339
Speaker 3: And this was like, I think before like really intense

873
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,080
Speaker 3: forensic testing, but he was like, This must be a clue.

874
00:42:08,219 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: And that kind of detective work that he did on

875
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,339
Speaker 3: this is the reason they eventually were able to make

876
00:42:13,380 --> 00:42:16,810
Speaker 3: the case once they found them. She was Judy was

877
00:42:16,850 --> 00:42:20,149
Speaker 3: last seen alive October 31st, 1977. She was talking to

878
00:42:20,170 --> 00:42:23,620
Speaker 3: a man in a large two-tone sedan on Sunset Boulevard.

879
00:42:23,780 --> 00:42:26,859
Speaker 3: Eventually what everyone finds out is that's the car that

880
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:30,350
Speaker 3: Angelo and Kent. Ken Bianchi used to drive around in,

881
00:42:30,890 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 3: oftentimes telling people they were undercover cops or detectives.

882
00:42:36,020 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: And they would.

883
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 3: Basically go drive up and down the strip and arrest

884
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,140
Speaker 3: girls saying they're bringing them in for solicitation.

885
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,180
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

886
00:42:45,300 --> 00:42:47,780
Speaker 3: Handcuff them, get them into the back of the car,

887
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,969
Speaker 3: and then kidnap them and take them to Angela's house.

888
00:42:51,739 --> 00:42:52,109
Speaker 2: Ew.

889
00:42:52,140 --> 00:42:56,350
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they, of course, they're getting these people that they...

890
00:42:57,430 --> 00:43:00,410
Speaker 3: They're going willingly because they think they're in trouble.

891
00:43:00,430 --> 00:43:01,350
Speaker 1: Yeah.

892
00:43:02,260 --> 00:43:06,660
Speaker 3: So they tell Judy that she's being arrested for solicitation.

893
00:43:07,020 --> 00:43:10,420
Speaker 3: They take her back to the upholstery shop. She's raped, tortured, sodomized,

894
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,180
Speaker 3: and strangled. Five days later, on November 6, 1977, another

895
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,739
Speaker 3: naked body with the same ligature marks is found on

896
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 3: Chevy Chase Drive near a country club in Glendale.

897
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,500
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Mm-hmm. I think I know that country club.

898
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,280
Speaker 1: It's on that weird turn. Chevy Chase and what?

899
00:43:30,060 --> 00:43:31,740
Speaker 3: Oh. Yeah.

900
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:35,739
Speaker 1: It's, like, in Glendale. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't

901
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,379
Speaker 1: know exactly where.

902
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:40,570
Speaker 3: So the night before Elisa Kasten is, she's a 21

903
00:43:40,570 --> 00:43:43,550
Speaker 3: year old wait, waitress at health fair restaurant on Hollywood

904
00:43:43,590 --> 00:43:47,130
Speaker 3: and vine. She leaves work at nine. She's driving home.

905
00:43:47,210 --> 00:43:50,430
Speaker 3: She gets pulled over by two plainclothes police officers.

906
00:43:50,670 --> 00:43:51,610
Speaker 1: No such thing guys.

907
00:43:51,870 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 3: Right. They handcuff her, tell her that she needs to

908
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,020
Speaker 3: be taken in for questioning. And then, uh, the next

909
00:44:00,060 --> 00:44:03,840
Speaker 3: morning her naked body is found and there's evidence of rape. Um,

910
00:44:05,110 --> 00:44:08,110
Speaker 3: But she's found on the other side of a tall guardrail,

911
00:44:08,550 --> 00:44:11,109
Speaker 3: and that's when police first observe. They're like, there's no

912
00:44:11,130 --> 00:44:13,930
Speaker 3: way one guy, because she, based on, like, the size

913
00:44:13,969 --> 00:44:16,870
Speaker 3: of her body, they're like, one person couldn't have just, like,

914
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:19,669
Speaker 3: lifted this over easily. And that's when they were, like,

915
00:44:20,469 --> 00:44:23,450
Speaker 3: pretty sure that it was a two-man killing team.

916
00:44:23,570 --> 00:44:23,830
Speaker 1: Wow.

917
00:44:25,110 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 3: So the next thing that happened, which is fascinating, 24-year-old

918
00:44:30,540 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: Catherine Laurie Baker, who is the daughter of character actor

919
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:35,800
Speaker 3: Peter Laurie.

920
00:44:35,820 --> 00:44:37,839
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. With the big eyes.

921
00:44:37,860 --> 00:44:39,890
Speaker 3: Yeah. Who's in the movie M. If you've never seen

922
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:42,529
Speaker 3: the movie M, it's really amazing. And he plays a

923
00:44:42,590 --> 00:44:46,220
Speaker 3: serial killer in it. It's a great fucking old movie.

924
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:49,580
Speaker 3: And he's a really famous character actor. There's a bunch

925
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 3: of old Bugs Bunny cartoons that would have... Remember when

926
00:44:53,380 --> 00:44:56,009
Speaker 3: they would do episodes where there would be caricatures of

927
00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:59,410
Speaker 3: old famous people? So it's like Clark Gable and Lauren Bacall.

928
00:44:59,989 --> 00:45:02,069
Speaker 3: Peter Lorre is in those cartoons. He's the guy with

929
00:45:02,090 --> 00:45:05,130
Speaker 3: the really big eyes that kind of is like, oh,

930
00:45:05,230 --> 00:45:05,549
Speaker 3: he always.

931
00:45:05,930 --> 00:45:07,589
Speaker 1: Anyway. Love him. So.

932
00:45:08,520 --> 00:45:11,460
Speaker 3: They fucking try to pull the we're fake cops, show

933
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:15,100
Speaker 3: us your ID, you're arrested scam on Catherine Laurie Baker.

934
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: But when she pulls out her ID, like she's looking

935
00:45:18,580 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 3: through her wallet, they see a picture of her sitting

936
00:45:20,980 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 3: on Peter Laurie's lap. They see that she, her name

937
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,220
Speaker 3: is Catherine Laurie Baker. She says, yeah, that's my dad.

938
00:45:27,530 --> 00:45:28,410
Speaker 3: And they let her go. What?

939
00:45:28,510 --> 00:45:31,830
Speaker 1: Because they're big fans of Peter Laurie. Shut the fuck up.

940
00:45:31,890 --> 00:45:32,069
Speaker 3: Yeah.

941
00:45:32,330 --> 00:45:35,190
Speaker 1: And later on, she was... interviewed.

942
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:38,350
Speaker 3: And she told the interviewer that when she was talking

943
00:45:38,370 --> 00:45:41,210
Speaker 3: to them, she was not, they were, there was nothing

944
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:43,469
Speaker 3: about them that was scary. She said it was a

945
00:45:43,530 --> 00:45:46,410
Speaker 3: casual conversation that she got no bad vibes off of

946
00:45:46,469 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: them whatsoever, which creeped me out really bad when I

947
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,860
Speaker 3: read that. The next, on November 10th, they find another

948
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 3: body in Franklin Canyon, um, north of Beverly Hills. It's, uh, um,

949
00:45:58,500 --> 00:46:00,839
Speaker 3: she's identified as Jill Barcom. She's a 19 year old

950
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,380
Speaker 3: She had just moved to L.A. from New York City.

951
00:46:05,860 --> 00:46:08,820
Speaker 3: She had been a sex worker in New York City,

952
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:13,270
Speaker 3: but she'd moved to Hollywood. And her body showed the

953
00:46:13,330 --> 00:46:15,170
Speaker 3: same ligature and strangulation marks.

954
00:46:15,290 --> 00:46:16,330
Speaker 1: She'd also been raped.

955
00:46:16,969 --> 00:46:19,540
Speaker 3: And this is when police now are sure that they

956
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:22,399
Speaker 3: have a serial killer. So that was November 10th. Eight

957
00:46:22,440 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 3: days later, on November 18th, The body of a high

958
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 3: school student is found on Pico Boulevard. It's eventually identified

959
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:34,049
Speaker 3: as 17-year-old Kathleen Robinson, who went to high school. She

960
00:46:34,090 --> 00:46:37,430
Speaker 3: lived with her mom in Hollywood, and she had last

961
00:46:37,469 --> 00:46:39,050
Speaker 3: been seen the day before at the beach.

962
00:46:39,290 --> 00:46:41,549
Speaker 1: Then this one's so fucked.

963
00:46:41,710 --> 00:46:45,820
Speaker 3: I mean, they're all terrible, but on November 20th, 1977,

964
00:46:45,800 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 3: a nine-year-old boy finds the bodies of two girls in

965
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,800
Speaker 3: a trash heap on a hillside near Dodger stadium.

966
00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:55,820
Speaker 1: Oh my God. So horrible.

967
00:46:56,219 --> 00:46:59,779
Speaker 3: Um, 12 year old Dolly Cepeda and 14 year old

968
00:46:59,890 --> 00:47:03,930
Speaker 3: Sonia Johnson. Um, a week before they had last seen

969
00:47:04,010 --> 00:47:06,149
Speaker 3: been seen a week before getting off the bus on

970
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:09,890
Speaker 3: York Boulevard at Avenue 46, um, which I think is.

971
00:47:09,870 --> 00:47:10,689
Speaker 1: Right in Eagle Rock.

972
00:47:10,730 --> 00:47:11,090
Speaker 2: Yeah.

973
00:47:11,850 --> 00:47:16,089
Speaker 3: And, um, they, they had walked up to a two

974
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:18,830
Speaker 3: tone sedan that had two men sitting inside of it. Um,

975
00:47:18,890 --> 00:47:23,670
Speaker 3: and they, The bodies, when they were found, had been

976
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:27,950
Speaker 3: a week later, so they had decomposed, but police could

977
00:47:27,969 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 3: still tell that they had been strangled and raped. On

978
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:36,400
Speaker 3: the same day that those bodies were found, hikers on

979
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:40,970
Speaker 3: a hillside between Glendale and Eagle Rock find a naked

980
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:44,830
Speaker 3: body of a dead woman who is identified as 20-year-old

981
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:48,489
Speaker 3: Christina Weckler. She's a quiet honor student at the Art

982
00:47:48,530 --> 00:47:53,210
Speaker 3: Center College of Design. She also has ligature marks on

983
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:57,089
Speaker 3: her wrist, neck, and ankles. But unlike the other victim,

984
00:47:57,520 --> 00:47:59,819
Speaker 3: the police noticed she has two puncture marks in her

985
00:47:59,980 --> 00:48:04,460
Speaker 3: arm that they later find out she had been injected

986
00:48:04,500 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: with Windex while she was being tortured.

987
00:48:07,300 --> 00:48:11,259
Speaker 1: By them at some point. What the fuck?

988
00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 3: And they would also come to learn that Christina was

989
00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:15,240
Speaker 3: Kenneth Bianchi's neighbor.

990
00:48:15,780 --> 00:48:16,380
Speaker 1: Oh, no.

991
00:48:17,700 --> 00:48:20,720
Speaker 3: Okay, so then three days after Christina's body is found,

992
00:48:20,739 --> 00:48:25,460
Speaker 3: a body is discovered near the Los Feliz off-ramp.

993
00:48:26,739 --> 00:48:29,810
Speaker 1: Of the 101. So there's pictures of.

994
00:48:31,989 --> 00:48:35,830
Speaker 1: The five. The five. Sorry, the five.

995
00:48:35,890 --> 00:48:36,850
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

996
00:48:37,469 --> 00:48:37,569
Speaker 3: Um.

997
00:48:38,620 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: That's the, I've seen that picture. It's, and it's like, right.

998
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:44,890
Speaker 1: It's right there. I mean, if you were driving by,

999
00:48:44,950 --> 00:48:47,090
Speaker 1: you would have seen it driving by.

1000
00:48:47,110 --> 00:48:47,190
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1001
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:49,770
Speaker 1: It's so crazy and awful.

1002
00:48:50,630 --> 00:48:55,870
Speaker 3: Um, and I mean, Jesus, it's, I drive on that freeway.

1003
00:48:56,030 --> 00:48:58,089
Speaker 3: I never, I'm not on that freeway. I spend all

1004
00:48:58,110 --> 00:49:02,460
Speaker 3: my time on that freeway. Um, so the severity of

1005
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:06,060
Speaker 3: the decomposition of that body prevented authorities to from being

1006
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,380
Speaker 3: able to tell if she had been raped or tortured.

1007
00:49:08,460 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: So, okay.

1008
00:49:09,219 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 4: So they put her out and she was in decomp already.

1009
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:14,310
Speaker 4: Cause someone would have seen it earlier.

1010
00:49:14,330 --> 00:49:20,450
Speaker 3: No, She had been missing, but they found the body there.

1011
00:49:20,670 --> 00:49:23,110
Speaker 3: From what I remember, the picture I saw, there's a

1012
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:24,720
Speaker 3: bunch of ivy and shrubs.

1013
00:49:24,989 --> 00:49:26,100
Speaker 1: So I think she was.

1014
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:31,060
Speaker 3: Underneath that, but just enough so that people didn't see it. Sadly,

1015
00:49:31,989 --> 00:49:36,009
Speaker 3: You can look up all these crime scene photos. They're

1016
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:36,830
Speaker 3: very upsetting.

1017
00:49:36,850 --> 00:49:36,930
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1018
00:49:37,450 --> 00:49:40,069
Speaker 3: And there's a ton of them because it was... They're

1019
00:49:40,090 --> 00:49:42,430
Speaker 3: like the police crime scene photos are on the internet.

1020
00:49:42,510 --> 00:49:46,170
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's also strange because they all look the same. Yeah.

1021
00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:48,360
Speaker 3: It's like a bunch of men in suits standing around

1022
00:49:48,489 --> 00:49:51,900
Speaker 3: and a little body, a little naked body.

1023
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,660
Speaker 1: Kind of in the distance. It's just insane. So.

1024
00:49:56,250 --> 00:49:58,550
Speaker 3: It turned out that this was the body of 28-year-old

1025
00:49:59,670 --> 00:50:03,930
Speaker 3: Evelyn Jane King. She'd been missing since November 9th. So

1026
00:50:03,989 --> 00:50:06,489
Speaker 3: she had been gone for like two weeks, over two weeks.

1027
00:50:06,710 --> 00:50:09,210
Speaker 3: So this is when they start the task force for

1028
00:50:09,350 --> 00:50:14,190
Speaker 3: the Hillside Stranglers, singular. So it's 30 LAPD officers, the

1029
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:17,489
Speaker 3: Sheriff's Department and the Glendale Police Department all coming together.

1030
00:50:18,430 --> 00:50:22,700
Speaker 3: to catch this killer, but still the police don't reveal

1031
00:50:22,739 --> 00:50:24,419
Speaker 3: that they know it's two men. Yeah.

1032
00:50:24,980 --> 00:50:27,300
Speaker 1: They let everybody call it the Hillside Struggle. But shouldn't

1033
00:50:27,340 --> 00:50:30,100
Speaker 1: they tell people that so that, you know, women can

1034
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:30,660
Speaker 1: be a little more.

1035
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:35,430
Speaker 3: you know, I bet today maybe they would have and they,

1036
00:50:35,770 --> 00:50:38,580
Speaker 3: but I bet you they were trying to do, they

1037
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,140
Speaker 3: were trying to like be prepared for when they're caught

1038
00:50:42,340 --> 00:50:44,359
Speaker 3: and nobody could get, they couldn't get.

1039
00:50:44,380 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: Out of it. Pick something else.

1040
00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:48,710
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, maybe because, well, it's just the thing,

1041
00:50:49,250 --> 00:50:51,450
Speaker 3: the thing to me that's so disturbing is that thing

1042
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:54,629
Speaker 3: of impersonating a policeman and Having two of them, which

1043
00:50:54,690 --> 00:50:57,700
Speaker 3: is what, that's actually much more believable.

1044
00:50:57,800 --> 00:51:02,020
Speaker 1: Totally. For people impersonating policemen. Totally. It's, it's, it's, it

1045
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: kind of puts, it shouldn't, but it puts you a

1046
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,339
Speaker 1: little more at ease that there's two people there. Yes.

1047
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: You know, even if they're like for, for whatever reason,

1048
00:51:08,860 --> 00:51:10,660
Speaker 1: not even just for fake cops, just.

1049
00:51:11,390 --> 00:51:11,569
Speaker 3: Right.

1050
00:51:11,630 --> 00:51:14,029
Speaker 1: But the, the fake cop thing pisses me off so much.

1051
00:51:14,090 --> 00:51:17,310
Speaker 1: It's so unfair. That and the, when, when someone accidentally

1052
00:51:17,350 --> 00:51:20,830
Speaker 1: like rear ends you quote unquote accidentally, and then. You

1053
00:51:20,850 --> 00:51:23,270
Speaker 1: have to get out of your car. Yeah. Those are

1054
00:51:23,530 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: such fucking dirty tricks. I hate it so much. It's

1055
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:26,700
Speaker 1: really awful.

1056
00:51:26,780 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 3: And also, it's just such a strange thing to think

1057
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 3: back then there were only pay phones. So, like, if

1058
00:51:32,820 --> 00:51:35,299
Speaker 3: you had a fucking emergency... If somebody rear-ended you, it

1059
00:51:35,340 --> 00:51:37,140
Speaker 3: was raining, it's the middle of the night, you're in

1060
00:51:37,180 --> 00:51:40,580
Speaker 3: your car, and then some dude walks up and, like, knock, knock, knock,

1061
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,460
Speaker 3: get out of the car... You couldn't even go, hold

1062
00:51:43,540 --> 00:51:45,370
Speaker 3: on a second, let me just make sure the cops

1063
00:51:45,390 --> 00:51:46,030
Speaker 3: come here first.

1064
00:51:46,190 --> 00:51:48,390
Speaker 4: There's nothing you could do. That scene in Zodiac when

1065
00:51:49,230 --> 00:51:52,730
Speaker 4: he puts her fucking tire... back on or whatever and

1066
00:51:52,770 --> 00:51:54,969
Speaker 4: then she starts driving and the tire comes off.

1067
00:51:55,090 --> 00:51:58,450
Speaker 3: I i've watched zodiac probably 10 times i skipped that

1068
00:51:58,489 --> 00:52:01,029
Speaker 3: scene because it's the scariest it's the best scene in

1069
00:52:01,050 --> 00:52:04,270
Speaker 3: the movie whoever it is does such a great realistic

1070
00:52:04,310 --> 00:52:07,029
Speaker 3: job of like what'd you fucking do yeah she had

1071
00:52:07,050 --> 00:52:10,370
Speaker 3: a baby with her yeah okay so less than a

1072
00:52:10,410 --> 00:52:12,950
Speaker 3: week later so also you have to think about this

1073
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:15,669
Speaker 3: too these things are just keep happening i know it's

1074
00:52:15,810 --> 00:52:18,730
Speaker 3: so quick it's so quick it's so intense these guys

1075
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:23,049
Speaker 3: are like you know Um, they're berserking. It's that, I

1076
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:24,529
Speaker 3: think they call it, they say it that on last

1077
00:52:24,570 --> 00:52:28,730
Speaker 3: podcast on left. It's like they're gone into berserker mode. Um,

1078
00:52:29,770 --> 00:52:31,410
Speaker 3: and I have listened to this one on last podcast

1079
00:52:31,450 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: on left. I just, it's been a really long time

1080
00:52:33,700 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 3: since I've heard it. So I'm not copying you guys, Marcus. Um,

1081
00:52:38,969 --> 00:52:42,380
Speaker 3: Less than a week later, November 29th, 1977, another body

1082
00:52:42,500 --> 00:52:44,620
Speaker 3: of an 18-year-old girl is found.

1083
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,500
Speaker 1: Her name's Lauren Wagner. She was a business student.

1084
00:52:48,540 --> 00:52:51,469
Speaker 3: She lived with her parents in the hills in Mount Washington.

1085
00:52:52,850 --> 00:52:55,250
Speaker 3: She had ligature marks on her neck, ankles, and wrists.

1086
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:59,020
Speaker 3: She also had burn marks on her hand. The police

1087
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:02,060
Speaker 3: knew immediately she'd been tortured. And then the morning after

1088
00:53:02,100 --> 00:53:05,020
Speaker 3: her body was found, her parents found her car parked

1089
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:07,900
Speaker 3: across the street from their house with the door ajar.

1090
00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:10,959
Speaker 3: So they go knocking on the neighbor's doors to find

1091
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:14,660
Speaker 3: out if anybody saw anything. And the woman who lived

1092
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:20,020
Speaker 3: in the house where the car was parked told.

1093
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:23,650
Speaker 1: Them that she had seen Lauren's abduction. What? So she

1094
00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:26,490
Speaker 1: says that she saw two men. One was tall and young.

1095
00:53:26,570 --> 00:53:29,250
Speaker 3: The other was older and short with bushy hair. And

1096
00:53:29,310 --> 00:53:31,430
Speaker 3: she had heard Lauren cry out, you won't get away

1097
00:53:31,469 --> 00:53:31,850
Speaker 3: with this.

1098
00:53:32,570 --> 00:53:35,689
Speaker 1: And she didn't call the police? I guess not.

1099
00:53:37,989 --> 00:53:38,189
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1100
00:53:38,830 --> 00:53:39,710
Speaker 1: Heartbreaking.

1101
00:53:39,830 --> 00:53:42,410
Speaker 3: That's the other thing, too, where then easy to say

1102
00:53:42,570 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 3: in retrospect.

1103
00:53:43,219 --> 00:53:44,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. But you'd always want to be like,

1104
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,420
Speaker 1: even if you're not sure, call the police.

1105
00:53:47,900 --> 00:53:51,260
Speaker 3: But what could you not be sure about? Well, because

1106
00:53:51,300 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 3: it could be teenagers. Like this is the seventies. There's like,

1107
00:53:55,580 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 3: it could be teenagers smoking pot and fighting and joking.

1108
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 1: It could be a girl fighting with her boyfriend.

1109
00:54:00,900 --> 00:54:04,700
Speaker 3: Like it's just such a people were, I think much

1110
00:54:04,780 --> 00:54:07,450
Speaker 3: more disconnected and like unsure.

1111
00:54:07,550 --> 00:54:09,890
Speaker 1: Nobody was thinking, although it is pretty.

1112
00:54:09,750 --> 00:54:13,270
Speaker 3: Far into this fucking series that you don't just go, Hey,

1113
00:54:13,950 --> 00:54:16,790
Speaker 3: since this citywide fucking panic is happening.

1114
00:54:16,850 --> 00:54:17,029
Speaker 1: Okay.

1115
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,820
Speaker 3: Um, but sorry, I'm sure that lady is racked with, that's,

1116
00:54:22,100 --> 00:54:23,760
Speaker 3: that's a life record by itself.

1117
00:54:24,739 --> 00:54:27,700
Speaker 1: Um, okay. So I don't mean to witness shame her. No,

1118
00:54:27,900 --> 00:54:28,540
Speaker 1: please God.

1119
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 3: So then December 14th, 1977. So, um, like two weeks later,

1120
00:54:33,890 --> 00:54:37,770
Speaker 3: basically the body of 17 year old Kimberly Martin is

1121
00:54:37,830 --> 00:54:42,970
Speaker 3: found in a deserted parking lot near City Hall downtown.

1122
00:54:43,489 --> 00:54:47,830
Speaker 3: The body's naked, shows signs of torture. The police discover

1123
00:54:47,890 --> 00:54:50,469
Speaker 3: Kimberly was a sex worker who had recently signed up

1124
00:54:50,770 --> 00:54:54,190
Speaker 3: with an escort agency so she wouldn't be getting Johns

1125
00:54:54,310 --> 00:54:56,950
Speaker 3: off the street because of the Hillside Strangler.

1126
00:54:56,969 --> 00:55:01,470
Speaker 1: Oh, honey. And they called her agency, and she was

1127
00:55:01,510 --> 00:55:06,339
Speaker 1: the woman dispatched. Just like... They called the agency? The

1128
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:11,390
Speaker 1: cousins called the agency... What the fuck? And got her

1129
00:55:11,690 --> 00:55:15,050
Speaker 1: and then tortured her and killed her. Oh, man.

1130
00:55:15,070 --> 00:55:19,630
Speaker 4: I can only picture her being like, fuck, man.

1131
00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:21,589
Speaker 1: She's being careful.

1132
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 3: She actually is aware and taking measures to do something

1133
00:55:25,739 --> 00:55:26,140
Speaker 3: about it.

1134
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:26,940
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1135
00:55:28,350 --> 00:55:30,170
Speaker 3: When they go to the apartment that she had been

1136
00:55:30,210 --> 00:55:32,770
Speaker 3: dispatched to, the address, it's empty.

1137
00:55:33,010 --> 00:55:34,030
Speaker 1: It had been broken into.

1138
00:55:34,110 --> 00:55:38,549
Speaker 3: The final victim was found in Los Angeles on February 17th, 1978.

1139
00:55:38,550 --> 00:55:45,170
Speaker 3: So it's basically a two-month rest period.

1140
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:46,510
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Two months.

1141
00:55:47,530 --> 00:55:51,050
Speaker 3: That's the longest it's been so far. A helicopter pilot

1142
00:55:51,090 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 3: spots an abandoned orange Datsun the Angeles Crest Highway and

1143
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 3: when they go police go and investigate the body of

1144
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 3: 23 year old Cindy Hudspeth a part-time waitress and student

1145
00:56:03,620 --> 00:56:06,980
Speaker 3: is found in the trunk she has the ligature marks

1146
00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,799
Speaker 3: she's been raped and tortured and then her body was

1147
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:11,819
Speaker 3: stuffed in the trunk of the car and then the

1148
00:56:11,860 --> 00:56:15,940
Speaker 3: car was pushed off and she was also a neighbor

1149
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 3: of Christina Weckler uh-huh the an earlier victim and And therefore,

1150
00:56:20,140 --> 00:56:24,450
Speaker 3: a neighbor of Ken Bianchi. But nobody actually looked into

1151
00:56:24,489 --> 00:56:28,540
Speaker 3: that any further. And pretty soon after, the Hillside Strangler

1152
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,060
Speaker 3: Task Force was disbanded.

1153
00:56:30,340 --> 00:56:30,860
Speaker 1: I know.

1154
00:56:30,900 --> 00:56:34,170
Speaker 3: Because they thought it was slowing down or stopping. And

1155
00:56:34,430 --> 00:56:38,379
Speaker 3: I'm sure financially that's always the thing they say. Around

1156
00:56:38,420 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 3: the same time, February 1978, Kelly Boyd, who is the

1157
00:56:42,300 --> 00:56:46,009
Speaker 3: girlfriend of Kenneth Bianchi, the two of them have a son.

1158
00:56:46,770 --> 00:56:51,290
Speaker 1: And they have a son in February. And by March.

1159
00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:54,129
Speaker 3: She's like, I'm leaving you. I'm going to move back

1160
00:56:54,190 --> 00:56:57,450
Speaker 3: in with my parents up in Washington state. I don't like,

1161
00:56:57,969 --> 00:57:00,750
Speaker 3: like you're going out all the time and you're never here.

1162
00:57:00,770 --> 00:57:03,859
Speaker 3: You don't help me. And so I'm leaving you. And

1163
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,580
Speaker 3: he tries to get back together with her. And she

1164
00:57:06,600 --> 00:57:09,940
Speaker 3: basically says after three months, she's like, fine, but you

1165
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:12,720
Speaker 3: have to move up here with me. Kenneth Bianchi moves

1166
00:57:12,980 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 3: to Bellingham, Washington. And basically he, thinks he's gonna like

1167
00:57:18,380 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 3: put all that behind him and start a new life

1168
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 3: he gets a job as a security guard he.

1169
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 1: Earns the trust of his employers um he's.

1170
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:30,590
Speaker 3: Trying to be a family man and he it's still

1171
00:57:30,770 --> 00:57:34,530
Speaker 3: he it doesn't work so he has the murderous urges

1172
00:57:34,610 --> 00:57:41,340
Speaker 3: still he basically um lures on january 11th 1979. So he's,

1173
00:57:41,660 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 3: you know, been up there for like less than a year.

1174
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:47,710
Speaker 3: He lures two women, 22 year old Karen Mandek and

1175
00:57:47,710 --> 00:57:50,990
Speaker 3: 27 year old Diane Wilder to an empty house under

1176
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:54,210
Speaker 3: the guise of giving them jobs as house sitters. And

1177
00:57:54,410 --> 00:57:56,070
Speaker 3: he rapes and murders both of them.

1178
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:57,210
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

1179
00:57:57,510 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 3: And then he fucking goes home that night. His girlfriend, Kelly,

1180
00:58:01,420 --> 00:58:04,060
Speaker 3: later says, it was like it was just a regular night.

1181
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:06,700
Speaker 1: He came home. He asked me about the baby. We

1182
00:58:06,740 --> 00:58:09,690
Speaker 1: watched television and we called it a night. What the fuck?

1183
00:58:09,710 --> 00:58:11,510
Speaker 1: But he was so clearly.

1184
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 3: Angela was the brains of the team because Kenneth Bianchi

1185
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,800
Speaker 3: was arrested for these two murders the next day.

1186
00:58:19,820 --> 00:58:20,460
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

1187
00:58:20,620 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 3: It was like they tracked it directly back to him immediately.

1188
00:58:24,340 --> 00:58:27,320
Speaker 3: So when he's arrested, and this is kind of the

1189
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:31,110
Speaker 3: famous thing about Kenneth Bianchi, and you can see... all

1190
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:34,050
Speaker 3: of these interview tapes online. And it is so fucking

1191
00:58:34,090 --> 00:58:38,189
Speaker 3: ridiculously stupid. He tries to plead insanity and he tries

1192
00:58:38,230 --> 00:58:41,900
Speaker 3: to claim that he has dissociative identity disorder and a

1193
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 3: multiple personalities basically. And so, and that it wasn't him

1194
00:58:47,140 --> 00:58:49,620
Speaker 3: that committed those murders. It was his other personality.

1195
00:58:49,660 --> 00:58:49,920
Speaker 1: Right.

1196
00:58:50,340 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: So basically he gets interviewed by a psychologist and then

1197
00:58:55,870 --> 00:58:59,470
Speaker 3: displays these personalities and The first personality is Ken.

1198
00:58:59,830 --> 00:59:03,980
Speaker 1: He's the nice guy. And then eventually Steve comes out. Oh,

1199
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,550
Speaker 1: my God. And Steven. Steven is the murderer. He puts

1200
00:59:07,630 --> 00:59:10,450
Speaker 1: on a big fake mustache. No, he already has. actually

1201
00:59:10,530 --> 00:59:12,930
Speaker 1: already had a very Steven like mustache.

1202
00:59:13,110 --> 00:59:17,800
Speaker 3: Shit. I'm just saying something to consider Steven. So a

1203
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,780
Speaker 3: bunch of psychologists watch these tapes. A famous one named Dr.

1204
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:22,620
Speaker 1: Martin Orn.

1205
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:24,700
Speaker 3: They watch these tapes and they're just like, he's a

1206
00:59:24,840 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 3: hundred percent faking. Like there's, there's no question.

1207
00:59:28,060 --> 00:59:29,669
Speaker 1: So Steven, He.

1208
00:59:29,610 --> 00:59:35,500
Speaker 3: Admits he's faking. He agrees to plead guilty and testify

1209
00:59:35,780 --> 00:59:39,340
Speaker 3: against Angelo in exchange for a more lenient sentence.

1210
00:59:39,750 --> 00:59:41,770
Speaker 1: They do not give him a more lenient sentence.

1211
00:59:41,850 --> 00:59:43,470
Speaker 3: So they're like, you're going to do all that, and

1212
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:44,530
Speaker 3: then you'll get what you get.

1213
00:59:44,550 --> 00:59:46,590
Speaker 1: Then you're going to fuck yourself. Yeah.

1214
00:59:47,010 --> 00:59:50,340
Speaker 3: His confession is they bring him back to L.A., And

1215
00:59:50,700 --> 00:59:53,100
Speaker 3: thus begins a trial that lasts five years.

1216
00:59:53,260 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: Holy shit. One of the longest in history. Wow. Hate

1217
00:59:57,140 --> 00:59:58,080
Speaker 1: to be on that jury, right?

1218
00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:04,270
Speaker 3: I mean, so 450 witnesses, two years worth of testimony alone.

1219
01:00:04,610 --> 01:00:05,390
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

1220
01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:12,030
Speaker 3: Angelo Buono's trial ended in 1983. The presiding judge, Ronald M. George,

1221
01:00:12,370 --> 01:00:14,870
Speaker 3: said this to him. I would not have the slightest

1222
01:00:15,130 --> 01:00:18,030
Speaker 3: reluctance to impose the death penalty in this case were

1223
01:00:18,050 --> 01:00:21,250
Speaker 3: it within my power to do so. Ironically, although these

1224
01:00:21,290 --> 01:00:25,900
Speaker 3: two defendants utilized almost every form of legalized execution against

1225
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:28,620
Speaker 3: their victims, the defendants have escaped.

1226
01:00:28,380 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: Any form of capital punishment.

1227
01:00:30,550 --> 01:00:35,100
Speaker 3: But The jury brought back multiple life sentences because they

1228
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 3: didn't want them to escape by just being killed.

1229
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: They wanted them to go to jail and suffer. Oh, wow. Yeah.

1230
01:00:42,180 --> 01:00:45,140
Speaker 3: Kenneth Bianchi was given two life sentences and he's still

1231
01:00:45,220 --> 01:00:48,500
Speaker 3: serving them out. I was going to say one of

1232
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,580
Speaker 3: them out, both of them out. in the Washington State Penitentiary.

1233
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:56,910
Speaker 3: Angelo Bono died of a heart attack in 2002, where

1234
01:00:56,950 --> 01:01:00,370
Speaker 3: he was, I believe they gave him nine back-to-back life sentences.

1235
01:01:00,590 --> 01:01:04,910
Speaker 3: And this is just an interesting tidbit. While Kenneth Bianchi

1236
01:01:04,930 --> 01:01:07,670
Speaker 3: was in jail in 1980, he started.

1237
01:01:07,450 --> 01:01:09,850
Speaker 1: A relationship with a woman named Veronica Compton.

1238
01:01:10,010 --> 01:01:13,470
Speaker 3: She was later convicted and imprisoned for attempting to strangle

1239
01:01:13,490 --> 01:01:16,730
Speaker 3: a woman she had lured to a hotel in In

1240
01:01:16,770 --> 01:01:19,810
Speaker 3: an effort to convince authorities that the Hillside Strangler was

1241
01:01:19,890 --> 01:01:26,020
Speaker 3: still on the loose, Bianchi had given her semen that

1242
01:01:26,300 --> 01:01:29,720
Speaker 3: she smuggled out of jail to plant at the scene.

1243
01:01:29,800 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: Whose semen? Um.

1244
01:01:31,950 --> 01:01:35,130
Speaker 3: To make it look like... Somebody else's, right? To make

1245
01:01:35,170 --> 01:01:37,570
Speaker 3: it look like it was the work of the Hillside Strangler.

1246
01:01:38,330 --> 01:01:40,470
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. Yeah.

1247
01:01:40,490 --> 01:01:44,420
Speaker 3: And so she tried to kill somebody to prove for

1248
01:01:44,460 --> 01:01:45,960
Speaker 3: her jailbird boyfriend.

1249
01:01:45,980 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 1: What a psychopath. Yeah. And so what happened? It... They

1250
01:01:50,260 --> 01:01:53,020
Speaker 1: got caught. She was convicted of, of doing that. Did

1251
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:56,700
Speaker 1: she kill someone or did they? And she was in prison. No, no. Attempted. Attempted. Okay.

1252
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:56,900
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1253
01:01:57,140 --> 01:01:59,420
Speaker 1: No, she got caught. What the fuck?

1254
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:02,890
Speaker 3: I mean, there's that I already thought went on so long,

1255
01:02:02,970 --> 01:02:05,790
Speaker 3: but like I have barely scratched the surface of the

1256
01:02:05,890 --> 01:02:08,950
Speaker 3: crazy fucking shit. You definitely, if you want to hear

1257
01:02:08,990 --> 01:02:11,750
Speaker 3: the good stuff, I a hundred percent recommend that you

1258
01:02:11,790 --> 01:02:14,310
Speaker 3: listen to that last podcast on the left series of

1259
01:02:14,330 --> 01:02:15,470
Speaker 3: the Hillside Stranglers podcast.

1260
01:02:15,770 --> 01:02:19,610
Speaker 1: Please make good choices. Just make the basics of good

1261
01:02:19,710 --> 01:02:24,010
Speaker 1: choices in life. Like don't pull over for the police? No.

1262
01:02:24,110 --> 01:02:26,990
Speaker 1: Like don't date a dude.

1263
01:02:26,490 --> 01:02:28,750
Speaker 4: Who's a murderer in prison and then don't take a

1264
01:02:28,810 --> 01:02:31,640
Speaker 4: cup of semen from him and try to murder someone

1265
01:02:31,660 --> 01:02:32,960
Speaker 4: and plant it.

1266
01:02:33,580 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 1: Don't do that.

1267
01:02:36,180 --> 01:02:40,200
Speaker 3: If somebody can't make good plans, that's not even like

1268
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,180
Speaker 3: a good three-step plan.

1269
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:43,940
Speaker 1: Like we're going to do this. It's going to have

1270
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:47,709
Speaker 1: this definite effect. Yeah. Like every, there's so many variables

1271
01:02:47,750 --> 01:02:49,050
Speaker 1: in that plan alone. Yeah.

1272
01:02:49,610 --> 01:02:54,130
Speaker 3: And also, why would you, unless you're, you're just a

1273
01:02:54,190 --> 01:02:55,310
Speaker 3: killer in waiting.

1274
01:02:55,370 --> 01:02:55,630
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1275
01:02:55,870 --> 01:02:58,130
Speaker 3: Why would you agree to kill somebody just to try

1276
01:02:58,170 --> 01:02:59,230
Speaker 3: to get your boyfriend out of jail?

1277
01:02:59,270 --> 01:03:03,650
Speaker 1: Totally. I mean, I guess you love him so much. No, no, no, no.

1278
01:03:04,210 --> 01:03:07,670
Speaker 1: He's not even your high school sweetheart. He's not your

1279
01:03:07,690 --> 01:03:10,150
Speaker 1: real sweetheart if he's asking you to murder. He's not

1280
01:03:10,170 --> 01:03:10,810
Speaker 1: your sweetheart.

1281
01:03:11,010 --> 01:03:12,910
Speaker 3: He's disqualified from the sweetheart's club.

1282
01:03:13,310 --> 01:03:18,010
Speaker 1: Yeah. Don't fall for it. Call 911. One of the

1283
01:03:18,070 --> 01:03:21,250
Speaker 1: sloppier presentations I've ever given. No, that was great. What

1284
01:03:21,290 --> 01:03:22,280
Speaker 1: are you talking about?

1285
01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,870
Speaker 3: I just, because there's so much detail in it.

1286
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:27,380
Speaker 1: You can do part two.

1287
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 3: Nah.

1288
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:33,140
Speaker 1: Nah, I've done what I can. Thank you. That was great.

1289
01:03:33,260 --> 01:03:36,590
Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you for informing me. It's my pleasure.

1290
01:03:36,830 --> 01:03:37,690
Speaker 1: It's what I like to do.

1291
01:03:42,170 --> 01:03:44,050
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back. Karen, any updates?

1292
01:03:44,210 --> 01:03:49,100
Speaker 1: There are some. In 2023, during his detention, Kenneth Bianchi

1293
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:51,440
Speaker 1: changed his name to Anthony D'Amato.

1294
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:55,790
Speaker 3: His most recent parole hearing was in July of 2025.

1295
01:03:55,790 --> 01:03:56,570
Speaker 1: He was denied.

1296
01:03:57,130 --> 01:04:01,310
Speaker 3: He's eligible again for parole in 10 years. He claims

1297
01:04:01,350 --> 01:04:04,420
Speaker 3: his confession was made under hypnosis and has challenged his

1298
01:04:04,460 --> 01:04:05,880
Speaker 3: conviction multiple times.

1299
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: Remember the hypnosis tapes?

1300
01:04:07,380 --> 01:04:09,500
Speaker 2: No, I need to go back and watch all this stuff.

1301
01:04:09,740 --> 01:04:12,700
Speaker 1: He was pretending to be crazy and it's such bad acting.

1302
01:04:12,740 --> 01:04:13,740
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.

1303
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,860
Speaker 3: It like breaks you out into a sweat because he

1304
01:04:15,900 --> 01:04:18,220
Speaker 3: thinks he's doing amazing and it's so corny.

1305
01:04:18,500 --> 01:04:18,740
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1306
01:04:18,930 --> 01:04:24,970
Speaker 1: Anyway, in January of 2026, MGM released the docuseries The

1307
01:04:25,010 --> 01:04:29,790
Speaker 1: Hillside Strangler about the case and it featured new on-camera interviews,

1308
01:04:30,500 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 1: with Kenapionke, where he maintained his innocence.

1309
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:36,780
Speaker 2: Do you think there's any way, like, I get so

1310
01:04:37,160 --> 01:04:38,900
Speaker 2: silly and naive when it comes to these things, where

1311
01:04:38,920 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 2: it's like, what if? But there's just no way.

1312
01:04:41,180 --> 01:04:44,840
Speaker 3: No, because remember, then he went up to Seattle, to

1313
01:04:44,900 --> 01:04:49,090
Speaker 3: the suburbs of Seattle, and was a serial rapist. Final point,

1314
01:04:49,220 --> 01:04:52,550
Speaker 3: his release date is set for 2025, when he's 114

1315
01:04:52,550 --> 01:04:53,630
Speaker 3: years old, literally.

1316
01:04:54,270 --> 01:04:56,510
Speaker 1: So that's the end of The Hillside Stranglers.

1317
01:04:56,750 --> 01:04:57,010
Speaker 3: Good.

1318
01:04:57,250 --> 01:05:00,810
Speaker 1: Now let's get into George's story. about the murder of dana.

1319
01:05:00,590 --> 01:05:10,710
Speaker 4: Bradley this is a sadly typical story that has some

1320
01:05:10,790 --> 01:05:13,010
Speaker 4: crazy twists in it okay that i had never heard

1321
01:05:13,050 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 4: about until i read one of our hometown murders oh

1322
01:05:16,180 --> 01:05:19,060
Speaker 4: wow yeah and then i was like well that's fucking

1323
01:05:19,100 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 4: weird so.

1324
01:05:20,220 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: This is the story of the murder of dana bradley

1325
01:05:22,940 --> 01:05:25,100
Speaker 1: okay so St.

1326
01:05:25,140 --> 01:05:30,140
Speaker 4: John's is the capital and largest city in Newfoundland, Canada,

1327
01:05:31,070 --> 01:05:33,110
Speaker 4: and it has the lowest homicide rate in Canada.

1328
01:05:33,130 --> 01:05:33,830
Speaker 1: Wow.

1329
01:05:33,950 --> 01:05:36,270
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was going to, first of all, I was

1330
01:05:36,310 --> 01:05:38,230
Speaker 3: laughing cause I was like, what if you just pronounce

1331
01:05:38,270 --> 01:05:38,990
Speaker 3: that wrong?

1332
01:05:39,130 --> 01:05:43,630
Speaker 1: Newfoundland? I thought Newfoundland. What if I did too? It's Newfoundland.

1333
01:05:43,650 --> 01:05:45,210
Speaker 1: I think, I think it is.

1334
01:05:45,230 --> 01:05:47,689
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no. I was laughing because I don't,

1335
01:05:47,990 --> 01:05:52,130
Speaker 3: I know mispronounce that, but my friend, uh, so I

1336
01:05:52,130 --> 01:05:52,630
Speaker 3: have two.

1337
01:05:52,510 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: Friends, um, Sorry.

1338
01:05:56,720 --> 01:06:00,080
Speaker 3: My friend Paul Greenberg and his wife Jackie are from Canada.

1339
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:04,780
Speaker 1: And Jackie used to make these jokes. She's hilarious. And

1340
01:06:06,010 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 1: she used to.

1341
01:06:07,610 --> 01:06:10,550
Speaker 3: do impressions of, they call them new fees and it's

1342
01:06:10,570 --> 01:06:13,530
Speaker 3: people from Newfoundland. And she'd always go, Oh no, I

1343
01:06:13,550 --> 01:06:16,980
Speaker 3: burned my face in a chip fire. And apparently that's

1344
01:06:17,040 --> 01:06:19,600
Speaker 3: a real thing that happens. And not just in Newfoundland,

1345
01:06:19,640 --> 01:06:22,820
Speaker 3: but I think around Canada, a chip fire, you make chips,

1346
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:25,419
Speaker 3: you make French fries at how at your house after

1347
01:06:25,460 --> 01:06:28,050
Speaker 3: you've been drinking all night in the bar. So really

1348
01:06:28,090 --> 01:06:31,950
Speaker 3: drunk people go home, deep fry French fries and pass out,

1349
01:06:32,260 --> 01:06:33,640
Speaker 3: and light their house on fire.

1350
01:06:33,660 --> 01:06:34,900
Speaker 1: Oh, my God.

1351
01:06:34,980 --> 01:06:40,000
Speaker 3: Very common thing, apparently, to Newfoundland specifically, but let's not

1352
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,900
Speaker 3: pin that on them entirely.

1353
01:06:42,300 --> 01:06:45,080
Speaker 1: But that's how I'm familiar with Newfoundland. Let us know, Newfoundland.

1354
01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: I have no point of reference, and that is now

1355
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:49,550
Speaker 1: my point of reference, and I love it. It's all

1356
01:06:49,630 --> 01:06:51,390
Speaker 1: I have, so now it's all you have. I'm going

1357
01:06:51,430 --> 01:06:51,790
Speaker 1: with it.

1358
01:06:51,810 --> 01:06:52,010
Speaker 2: Sweet.

1359
01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:54,950
Speaker 3: Until we hear from everybody from Newfoundland.

1360
01:06:54,970 --> 01:06:55,390
Speaker 2: Exactly.

1361
01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:57,730
Speaker 1: Let us know. Let us know, and you will. Okay.

1362
01:06:58,250 --> 01:07:02,410
Speaker 1: So here we are in St. John's. It's... December 14th, 1981.

1363
01:07:02,390 --> 01:07:10,700
Speaker 1: 14-year-old Dana Bradley. She's like a typical grade 9 student.

1364
01:07:11,240 --> 01:07:16,620
Speaker 1: She's pretty good friend, friendly, full of life. She loves

1365
01:07:16,640 --> 01:07:20,740
Speaker 1: this art. She's just a normal girl. Um, she leaves

1366
01:07:20,780 --> 01:07:22,060
Speaker 1: her home, her friend's home.

1367
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 4: She'd been hanging out there after school and she was

1368
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:26,500
Speaker 4: headed home for her mom's birthday party.

1369
01:07:26,520 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 1: Uh, I know.

1370
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:31,070
Speaker 4: And she goes towards the bus stop, which is a

1371
01:07:31,110 --> 01:07:33,110
Speaker 4: few minutes away from her friend's house.

1372
01:07:33,150 --> 01:07:35,670
Speaker 1: It's on top sale road. It's one of the busier

1373
01:07:35,710 --> 01:07:38,750
Speaker 1: roads in town. And, uh, she was going to take

1374
01:07:38,770 --> 01:07:42,180
Speaker 1: the bus home. But it's possible she either missed the

1375
01:07:42,220 --> 01:07:45,320
Speaker 1: bus or just didn't feel like waiting for it. So

1376
01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,300
Speaker 1: two brothers who were taking a break from selling Christmas

1377
01:07:48,360 --> 01:07:52,760
Speaker 1: trees on the road, they're hanging out in their car

1378
01:07:52,780 --> 01:07:55,350
Speaker 1: at Tim Hortons. Good old Tim Hortons. We've been there.

1379
01:07:55,370 --> 01:07:58,310
Speaker 1: We've been there in Canada. Yeah, that's right. I don't

1380
01:07:58,330 --> 01:08:01,250
Speaker 1: know if it's anywhere else. I think it's lots of places.

1381
01:08:01,310 --> 01:08:05,190
Speaker 4: Okay, great. So it's around 5.20 p.m. They see a

1382
01:08:05,230 --> 01:08:08,760
Speaker 4: young girl hitchhiking while they're sitting in their truck. It's

1383
01:08:08,780 --> 01:08:10,380
Speaker 4: about 25 or 30 feet away.

1384
01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:10,580
Speaker 1: From the road.

1385
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 4: They didn't know her, but they remember her because they

1386
01:08:13,260 --> 01:08:15,430
Speaker 4: remarked on how young she was to be hitchhiking.

1387
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 1: Even though hitchhiking was kind of a normal thing, especially

1388
01:08:18,270 --> 01:08:20,370
Speaker 1: a small town like this back then.

1389
01:08:22,430 --> 01:08:24,650
Speaker 4: According to the brothers, they saw a car pull up.

1390
01:08:24,710 --> 01:08:28,729
Speaker 4: It was a 73 to 76 four-door Dodge Dart or

1391
01:08:28,830 --> 01:08:33,130
Speaker 4: Plymouth Valiant. It was beige, tan, or faded yellow with

1392
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:36,830
Speaker 4: noticeable rust marks, and a male driver offered Dana a ride.

1393
01:08:37,630 --> 01:08:40,660
Speaker 4: she got in and they drove off and the brothers

1394
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:45,640
Speaker 4: were the last people to see Dana alive. So because

1395
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:48,300
Speaker 4: Dana had phoned home before leaving her friend's house to

1396
01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 4: say she was on her way home, her parents and

1397
01:08:50,260 --> 01:08:54,950
Speaker 4: family were immediately like, something is going on. Um, they

1398
01:08:54,970 --> 01:08:57,130
Speaker 4: file a police report, but of course nothing can be

1399
01:08:57,170 --> 01:08:59,900
Speaker 4: done that night. because that's how it always goes. But

1400
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,720
Speaker 4: it's hours and days go by and Dana is not

1401
01:09:04,740 --> 01:09:07,100
Speaker 4: seen or heard from and her parents know something is wrong.

1402
01:09:07,160 --> 01:09:08,740
Speaker 1: She's not the type of girl who would run away.

1403
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:14,430
Speaker 4: Four days later, on December 18th, 1981, In a remote

1404
01:09:14,470 --> 01:09:17,800
Speaker 4: wooded area off a dirt road just outside St. John's,

1405
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:21,640
Speaker 4: this couple and their kids are out looking for a

1406
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:22,840
Speaker 4: Christmas tree to chop down.

1407
01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:24,179
Speaker 1: Oh, no. I know.

1408
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:32,080
Speaker 4: And the dad spots Dana's body about six miles away

1409
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:33,540
Speaker 4: from the road where she had been hitchhiking.

1410
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:35,960
Speaker 1: Oh, okay. Dad sees the body, thinks it's a mannequin,

1411
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:36,440
Speaker 1: of course.

1412
01:09:36,680 --> 01:09:36,860
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1413
01:09:37,160 --> 01:09:37,559
Speaker 1: It's not.

1414
01:09:37,780 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 4: So Dana's autopsy shows that she had died from numerous

1415
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,759
Speaker 4: blows to the head with a blunt object.

1416
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:47,180
Speaker 1: And was sexually assaulted. But a weird thing is that

1417
01:09:47,220 --> 01:09:50,440
Speaker 1: Dana had been found fully dressed in her school clothes,

1418
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,770
Speaker 1: even though she had been sexually assaulted and had been

1419
01:09:53,850 --> 01:09:58,429
Speaker 1: laid out carefully, uh, burial style. So like placed very

1420
01:09:58,490 --> 01:10:01,330
Speaker 1: neatly with her arms over her chest. And also her

1421
01:10:01,490 --> 01:10:05,260
Speaker 1: school books had been tucked neatly under her arm. Oh no. Like,

1422
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:10,830
Speaker 1: That's like staging. Yeah. Like almost lovingly placed her there,

1423
01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:11,990
Speaker 1: it seems. Right.

1424
01:10:13,610 --> 01:10:15,509
Speaker 4: So because of the way she was laid out, police

1425
01:10:15,570 --> 01:10:19,090
Speaker 4: thought maybe that the killer was remorseful, that that was,

1426
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:22,010
Speaker 4: you know, him trying to kind of make it better.

1427
01:10:22,030 --> 01:10:22,450
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1428
01:10:22,590 --> 01:10:24,519
Speaker 4: So they made an appeal to him through the media.

1429
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 4: The murder didn't come forward, but the brothers who had

1430
01:10:26,800 --> 01:10:28,840
Speaker 4: seen her get in the car did. And they also

1431
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 4: told detectives about how the driver had to reach over

1432
01:10:31,260 --> 01:10:33,840
Speaker 4: to the passenger side door to open the door from

1433
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:36,790
Speaker 4: the inside. almost like something was wrong with the outer

1434
01:10:36,810 --> 01:10:39,990
Speaker 4: door handle. So that was another point of that car

1435
01:10:40,010 --> 01:10:41,770
Speaker 4: that they had. And they were also able to give

1436
01:10:41,830 --> 01:10:44,410
Speaker 4: police a good description, and they got a police sketch.

1437
01:10:45,410 --> 01:10:47,900
Speaker 4: Two other witnesses came forward saying that they saw the

1438
01:10:47,979 --> 01:10:51,600
Speaker 4: car and a man emerge from the woods. So they

1439
01:10:51,620 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 4: saw the car by the side of the road, and

1440
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:56,019
Speaker 4: a man emerged from the woods the night Dana disappeared

1441
01:10:56,420 --> 01:10:59,059
Speaker 4: between midnight and 1 a.m., where she was later found.

1442
01:10:59,660 --> 01:11:01,650
Speaker 4: And they said the passenger side door of the car

1443
01:11:01,689 --> 01:11:04,070
Speaker 4: was open and that the dome light was illuminated in

1444
01:11:04,110 --> 01:11:07,170
Speaker 4: the car. And they reported that the man had no

1445
01:11:07,229 --> 01:11:09,969
Speaker 4: jacket despite being in the middle of December and freezing.

1446
01:11:11,170 --> 01:11:14,250
Speaker 4: So the search for Dana's killer became the biggest murder

1447
01:11:14,270 --> 01:11:18,170
Speaker 4: investigation in Newfoundland history, as well as one of the

1448
01:11:18,189 --> 01:11:21,500
Speaker 4: biggest in Canadian history at the time. In the first week,

1449
01:11:21,500 --> 01:11:24,720
Speaker 4: 800 cars were examined that matched the description of the

1450
01:11:24,760 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 4: car that had picked up Dana. And there were 250

1451
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 4: prime suspects at one point, but nothing seemed to pan out.

1452
01:11:32,700 --> 01:11:41,350
Speaker 4: So Finally, though, five years later, in 1986, detectives received

1453
01:11:41,410 --> 01:11:45,070
Speaker 4: an anonymous note saying the murderer was an ex-con with

1454
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:48,780
Speaker 4: a violent past named David Somerton, and he really strongly

1455
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:52,780
Speaker 4: resembled the sketch. So they bring him in, and he

1456
01:11:52,820 --> 01:11:54,900
Speaker 4: confesses to Dana's murder.

1457
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:55,420
Speaker 3: Shit.

1458
01:11:55,700 --> 01:11:58,040
Speaker 4: He told them where his car that he used to

1459
01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,190
Speaker 4: abduct her was and where the murder weapon was. And

1460
01:12:01,229 --> 01:12:03,350
Speaker 4: he also described how he killed her and it was

1461
01:12:03,410 --> 01:12:04,430
Speaker 4: consistent with the facts.

1462
01:12:05,050 --> 01:12:07,590
Speaker 1: So police searched.

1463
01:12:07,310 --> 01:12:09,630
Speaker 4: For the murder weapon. It was near where Dana's body

1464
01:12:09,670 --> 01:12:12,730
Speaker 4: had been found. He said he had buried it. And

1465
01:12:12,810 --> 01:12:15,889
Speaker 4: police had thoroughly searched the area before, but they went

1466
01:12:15,950 --> 01:12:19,269
Speaker 4: back and this time they removed trees and they.

1467
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:22,810
Speaker 1: Dug up earth and stuff trying to find it. But

1468
01:12:22,830 --> 01:12:27,520
Speaker 1: they never found anything. They also went to the local

1469
01:12:27,570 --> 01:12:29,320
Speaker 1: dump where he said he had left the car, but

1470
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:33,080
Speaker 1: it wasn't there either. In all, nearly $ 1 million.

1471
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,610
Speaker 4: Were spent digging up and searching those two sites, but

1472
01:12:36,670 --> 01:12:37,670
Speaker 4: nothing surfaced.

1473
01:12:38,590 --> 01:12:41,349
Speaker 1: Then this dude....

1474
01:12:41,260 --> 01:12:45,139
Speaker 4: Uh, Somerton recants and says he only confessed after having

1475
01:12:45,180 --> 01:12:47,060
Speaker 4: been interrogated for 18 hours.

1476
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:49,140
Speaker 1: Oh shit. And then at the time of his confession,

1477
01:12:49,180 --> 01:12:50,440
Speaker 1: he was on heavy medication.

1478
01:12:50,820 --> 01:12:53,179
Speaker 4: And so then he denied any involvement with Dana's murder

1479
01:12:53,580 --> 01:12:56,000
Speaker 4: and the police didn't have the evidence to hold him

1480
01:12:56,060 --> 01:12:59,180
Speaker 4: any longer, but he was charged with public mischief and

1481
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:03,560
Speaker 4: sentenced to two years in jail for misleading the RCMP.

1482
01:13:03,740 --> 01:13:06,590
Speaker 1: Oh shit. Good old mountain mounted police.

1483
01:13:07,610 --> 01:13:11,090
Speaker 4: Uh, So before you feel bad for him about that, though,

1484
01:13:11,229 --> 01:13:13,850
Speaker 4: years later, he was convicted of sexually assaulting a minor

1485
01:13:13,970 --> 01:13:15,530
Speaker 4: in two separate incidents.

1486
01:13:15,950 --> 01:13:17,370
Speaker 1: So this guy's a creep, too.

1487
01:13:17,790 --> 01:13:22,729
Speaker 3: Just coincidentally, not the killer, but still a really bad guy.

1488
01:13:22,900 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: Maybe, yeah.

1489
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:25,019
Speaker 3: Fuck. Yeah.

1490
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:30,480
Speaker 1: So another man was sentenced to nine months in prison.

1491
01:13:30,160 --> 01:13:33,679
Speaker 4: In 1982 for making cruel, harassing phone calls to the family,

1492
01:13:33,700 --> 01:13:34,700
Speaker 4: to Dana's family.

1493
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: But otherwise, the case kind of.

1494
01:13:37,660 --> 01:13:39,880
Speaker 4: This didn't go cold because they wouldn't let it go cold,

1495
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:42,309
Speaker 4: but there was no other real clues, but they kept

1496
01:13:42,330 --> 01:13:43,229
Speaker 4: getting tips and stuff.

1497
01:13:43,390 --> 01:13:47,090
Speaker 3: The person who makes harassing phone calls to a murder

1498
01:13:47,110 --> 01:13:51,120
Speaker 3: victim's family who didn't do it is as bad as

1499
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:51,820
Speaker 3: the killer. Uh-huh.

1500
01:13:52,280 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 1: There's, you are psychotic. Yeah. Disgusting.

1501
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:56,140
Speaker 3: Uh-huh.

1502
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:03,220
Speaker 1: Who, what the fuck? Yeah. But people make good decisions.

1503
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:09,809
Speaker 3: Pick up that phone and actually call 911 on yourself.

1504
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:11,850
Speaker 1: That's the best decision you can make in that point.

1505
01:14:12,170 --> 01:14:16,689
Speaker 1: I am a piece of shit. What kind of terrible shit.

1506
01:14:16,270 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 3: Has had to happen to you for you to be

1507
01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 3: the harasser of a murder victim's family?

1508
01:14:21,380 --> 01:14:23,059
Speaker 1: It's just beyond. Totally.

1509
01:14:23,080 --> 01:14:27,650
Speaker 3: I can't. I know that's a surprising stance, but I'm

1510
01:14:27,710 --> 01:14:28,750
Speaker 3: fucking standing by it.

1511
01:14:29,050 --> 01:14:31,560
Speaker 4: But it's like, who's worse, the murderer who then makes

1512
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 4: the calls or just some dude who fucking didn't even

1513
01:14:34,700 --> 01:14:35,920
Speaker 4: do it and then makes the calls?

1514
01:14:35,939 --> 01:14:37,660
Speaker 1: I mean, they're both bad, obviously. They're all in the

1515
01:14:37,770 --> 01:14:39,889
Speaker 1: shithead fraternity, in my opinion.

1516
01:14:39,950 --> 01:14:40,510
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1517
01:14:40,570 --> 01:14:43,030
Speaker 1: But it's just like, it's not a prank.

1518
01:14:43,660 --> 01:14:43,939
Speaker 3: No.

1519
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:46,849
Speaker 1: I hate prank culture. I just fucking hate it. Pranks.

1520
01:14:47,370 --> 01:14:49,889
Speaker 3: Life is hard enough without someone pulling a fucking chair

1521
01:14:49,970 --> 01:14:51,950
Speaker 3: out from underneath you and videotaping it.

1522
01:14:52,510 --> 01:14:54,210
Speaker 1: Oh, God. Please, Lord. The biggest fear.

1523
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:54,290
Speaker 2: No.

1524
01:14:54,290 --> 01:14:58,179
Speaker 1: That one? That one. The chair one? No, just being pranked.

1525
01:14:58,439 --> 01:14:58,660
Speaker 4: Yes.

1526
01:14:59,420 --> 01:15:02,460
Speaker 1: And videotaped. And videotaped while I'm pranked. That's not funny.

1527
01:15:03,500 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 1: It's just mean. Nothing's funny. Okay. Nothing's funny. All right,

1528
01:15:09,220 --> 01:15:10,120
Speaker 1: let's cut to 2014.

1529
01:15:10,100 --> 01:15:13,740
Speaker 4: It's been 33 years since Dana was murdered.

1530
01:15:13,900 --> 01:15:14,260
Speaker 3: Oh, fuck.

1531
01:15:14,939 --> 01:15:19,479
Speaker 4: RCMP, they're contacted by a man who uses a pseudonym

1532
01:15:20,060 --> 01:15:23,460
Speaker 4: to protect his identity named Robert. He tells them that

1533
01:15:23,590 --> 01:15:26,610
Speaker 4: he witnessed Dana's murder and the events that followed.

1534
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:27,750
Speaker 3: Whoa.

1535
01:15:29,050 --> 01:15:33,889
Speaker 1: At the time, 33 years before, he was six years old. Uh-oh.

1536
01:15:34,870 --> 01:15:39,470
Speaker 4: He tells them that two years before that moment, after

1537
01:15:39,550 --> 01:15:44,269
Speaker 4: a lifetime of alcoholism, he quit drinking. Once he quit

1538
01:15:44,290 --> 01:15:48,990
Speaker 4: drinking and his mind started to heal, he said, memories resurfaced.

1539
01:15:49,010 --> 01:15:50,170
Speaker 1: Oh no.

1540
01:15:50,170 --> 01:15:53,030
Speaker 4: He first had memories of being sexually abused by this

1541
01:15:53,610 --> 01:15:56,380
Speaker 4: dude who was a close and trusted friend of his family.

1542
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 4: And then the memory of that man murdering Dana resurfaced.

1543
01:16:02,140 --> 01:16:05,480
Speaker 1: Oh my God. So Robert's story is that the man,

1544
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:10,410
Speaker 1: so his name is the man. We don't, Yeah. The man. Yeah. Yeah.

1545
01:16:10,710 --> 01:16:13,670
Speaker 4: Was driving his father's car that day. His dad had

1546
01:16:13,689 --> 01:16:16,389
Speaker 4: a six year old. No, the man, the molested man.

1547
01:16:16,410 --> 01:16:16,650
Speaker 3: Sorry.

1548
01:16:16,670 --> 01:16:18,570
Speaker 1: Let's call him the bad man. Great. Okay.

1549
01:16:18,939 --> 01:16:21,160
Speaker 4: Robert says that the bad man was driving his father's

1550
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:23,740
Speaker 4: car that day. It was a.

1551
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 1: 1972 Dodge Dart. Uh huh. And that Robert was in

1552
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: the backseat of the car.

1553
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,880
Speaker 4: They were leaving McDonald's on top sale road, which is

1554
01:16:31,900 --> 01:16:34,610
Speaker 4: where Dana got a ride from.

1555
01:16:34,810 --> 01:16:37,030
Speaker 1: Right. When the man noticed Dana hitchhiking.

1556
01:16:38,180 --> 01:16:41,040
Speaker 4: Robert confirmed that his father's car had trouble with the

1557
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,080
Speaker 4: passenger side door and that it had to be opened

1558
01:16:43,100 --> 01:16:45,800
Speaker 4: from the inside. And from the back seat, Robert had

1559
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:46,960
Speaker 4: told him how to open it.

1560
01:16:47,200 --> 01:16:51,059
Speaker 1: Holy shit. And Dana got in. Okay. This is true

1561
01:16:51,160 --> 01:16:58,040
Speaker 1: corroborating story facts, right? Here we go. Okay. Sorry. This

1562
01:16:58,120 --> 01:16:59,400
Speaker 1: is going to get solved, isn't it?

1563
01:16:59,820 --> 01:17:00,259
Speaker 3: Please.

1564
01:17:01,320 --> 01:17:04,339
Speaker 1: So here we go. Before you call 911. Okay.

1565
01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:07,260
Speaker 4: Nothing seemed unusual as they made their way to her house.

1566
01:17:08,090 --> 01:17:09,849
Speaker 4: But when she pointed out which house was hers, then

1567
01:17:10,090 --> 01:17:13,110
Speaker 4: the bad man kept going, and that's when panic set in.

1568
01:17:13,150 --> 01:17:15,310
Speaker 4: And Robert said it set in in him, and he

1569
01:17:15,330 --> 01:17:17,870
Speaker 4: could tell it set in in Dana as well. Dana

1570
01:17:17,910 --> 01:17:19,849
Speaker 4: tried to jump out of the car at one point,

1571
01:17:19,870 --> 01:17:23,300
Speaker 4: but the bad man grabbed her and sped up and

1572
01:17:23,340 --> 01:17:25,120
Speaker 4: kept telling her he was going to turn around.

1573
01:17:25,180 --> 01:17:27,450
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm going to turn around. Don't worry about it.

1574
01:17:27,979 --> 01:17:31,059
Speaker 4: But eventually he pulls off the road, and Robert remembers

1575
01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 4: that the bad man kept telling Dana that he just

1576
01:17:33,820 --> 01:17:34,500
Speaker 4: wanted a kiss.

1577
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:35,309
Speaker 2: Ugh.

1578
01:17:36,150 --> 01:17:38,769
Speaker 4: And she was crying and fighting him. And then she

1579
01:17:38,970 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 4: either scratched or pinched him or did something to hurt

1580
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:46,059
Speaker 4: him because Robert remembers him kind of jumping back. And

1581
01:17:46,100 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 4: at that moment, Dana bolts out of the car. And

1582
01:17:49,580 --> 01:17:53,099
Speaker 4: then Robert remembers and how insanely quickly it was that

1583
01:17:53,320 --> 01:17:55,349
Speaker 4: the bad man ran after her.

1584
01:17:56,510 --> 01:17:57,970
Speaker 1: So Robert says he got out of the car at

1585
01:17:58,010 --> 01:18:00,250
Speaker 1: this point, too. The six year old's like, what's going on?

1586
01:18:01,729 --> 01:18:04,130
Speaker 1: And by this time, the bad man had caught Dana

1587
01:18:04,350 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: and they fought to the ground. as the six-year-old's watching.

1588
01:18:08,330 --> 01:18:12,729
Speaker 1: Robert said he stood near the car and watched as

1589
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:16,150
Speaker 1: the murder and sexual assault took place. He said as

1590
01:18:16,189 --> 01:18:18,670
Speaker 1: a six-year-old, he wasn't able to understand what was happening.

1591
01:18:19,030 --> 01:18:21,990
Speaker 4: He said the murder weapon was the tire iron from

1592
01:18:22,010 --> 01:18:26,270
Speaker 4: the car, and that then when it was over, the

1593
01:18:26,310 --> 01:18:29,630
Speaker 4: man put Dana's body in the trunk and drove towards

1594
01:18:29,670 --> 01:18:32,190
Speaker 4: where they were going to leave Dana's body along, and

1595
01:18:32,210 --> 01:18:34,110
Speaker 4: along the way, disposed of the tire iron.

1596
01:18:36,439 --> 01:18:38,270
Speaker 1: The bad man, do I have to keep calling him that?

1597
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:41,990
Speaker 1: I mean, I can follow it now. The man dumped

1598
01:18:42,010 --> 01:18:47,019
Speaker 1: Dana over an embankment and then he retrieved her body,

1599
01:18:47,100 --> 01:18:48,960
Speaker 1: realizing it was a bad place to leave her.

1600
01:18:48,979 --> 01:18:49,049
Speaker 2: Ugh.

1601
01:18:50,780 --> 01:18:52,360
Speaker 1: Brought it to where it was ultimately found.

1602
01:18:54,910 --> 01:18:57,910
Speaker 4: And then, then Robert says, quote, and he was trying

1603
01:18:57,930 --> 01:18:59,890
Speaker 4: to get me to leave because he said her mom

1604
01:18:59,930 --> 01:19:01,950
Speaker 4: and dad would be looking for her. And he told

1605
01:19:01,970 --> 01:19:03,550
Speaker 4: me that she was going to go to school the

1606
01:19:03,590 --> 01:19:05,870
Speaker 4: next morning, trying to get him to come away. And

1607
01:19:05,910 --> 01:19:07,630
Speaker 4: Robert was like crying and didn't want to leave her

1608
01:19:07,650 --> 01:19:08,150
Speaker 4: in the forest.

1609
01:19:08,170 --> 01:19:11,970
Speaker 1: He was scared. Oh my God. This is horrible. I know.

1610
01:19:12,570 --> 01:19:17,300
Speaker 4: And then Robert says, so the man says that we

1611
01:19:17,340 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 4: have to leave her here. Her parents are going to

1612
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:20,540
Speaker 4: come so she can go to school the next day.

1613
01:19:20,780 --> 01:19:21,520
Speaker 4: And then Robert says.

1614
01:19:21,540 --> 01:19:25,730
Speaker 1: Well, then she needs her books. So the man went,

1615
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:27,809
Speaker 1: goes up to the car, gets her books and puts

1616
01:19:27,850 --> 01:19:32,730
Speaker 1: them under her arm because the six year old is like, well,

1617
01:19:32,750 --> 01:19:35,090
Speaker 1: we need to give her her books back. This is

1618
01:19:35,150 --> 01:19:38,810
Speaker 1: the fucking saddest thing of all time. I know. Okay.

1619
01:19:39,700 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 4: Later that night, Robert then says the man woke him

1620
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:46,610
Speaker 4: up and made him come back out with him. to

1621
01:19:46,650 --> 01:19:48,630
Speaker 4: the side of the body to look for his jacket

1622
01:19:48,670 --> 01:19:50,850
Speaker 4: that he had left behind. And he says he thinks

1623
01:19:50,890 --> 01:19:52,680
Speaker 4: the reason he made him come with him is in

1624
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,139
Speaker 4: case he got pulled over or whatever.

1625
01:19:54,160 --> 01:19:57,540
Speaker 1: It would be like, well, my kid's here with me. Yeah, yeah.

1626
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,220
Speaker 1: So they pull over to the side of the road.

1627
01:19:59,439 --> 01:20:03,439
Speaker 4: He stays in the car. And the man goes into

1628
01:20:03,460 --> 01:20:06,060
Speaker 4: the woods to look for his jacket. And Robert says

1629
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:08,380
Speaker 4: a car drives by. And remember, a car had seen

1630
01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:08,960
Speaker 4: them on the side.

1631
01:20:08,860 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 1: Of the road?

1632
01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:09,500
Speaker 3: Yep.

1633
01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:11,000
Speaker 1: This couple, they....

1634
01:20:15,070 --> 01:20:17,530
Speaker 4: So they had said that the dome light was on,

1635
01:20:17,570 --> 01:20:19,890
Speaker 4: the passenger side door was open. And Robert says that

1636
01:20:20,090 --> 01:20:23,650
Speaker 4: he remembers a car coming by late at night and says.

1637
01:20:23,490 --> 01:20:24,269
Speaker 1: He was scared.

1638
01:20:24,350 --> 01:20:26,950
Speaker 4: So he pushed the seat forward and got out of

1639
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 4: the car and left the door open. So that's, explain that.

1640
01:20:31,300 --> 01:20:37,620
Speaker 3: Just every detail he is matching and explaining perfectly. God,

1641
01:20:37,660 --> 01:20:41,180
Speaker 3: it's like, it's horrifying, but it's also insanely satisfying.

1642
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,000
Speaker 2: But wait.

1643
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:42,840
Speaker 3: Oh, fuck.

1644
01:20:43,850 --> 01:20:46,690
Speaker 1: Sorry no come on is anything ever really satisfying in

1645
01:20:46,729 --> 01:20:50,230
Speaker 1: this podcast not at all never um and and the

1646
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:52,400
Speaker 1: people had reported that the man had no jacket when

1647
01:20:52,439 --> 01:20:53,700
Speaker 1: he came out of the woods when they saw him

1648
01:20:53,880 --> 01:20:56,700
Speaker 1: right and uh and in one in one of his

1649
01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:58,900
Speaker 1: statements robert said that he had taken his jacket off

1650
01:20:58,960 --> 01:21:01,220
Speaker 1: to like carry you know to carry the body because

1651
01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:03,280
Speaker 1: he was sweating and stuff probably so that's why he

1652
01:21:03,300 --> 01:21:08,389
Speaker 1: left his jacket behind they drove off um he didn't

1653
01:21:08,400 --> 01:21:13,439
Speaker 1: get his jacket Then they go back home. Robert says

1654
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: he holds a work light while the man washes the

1655
01:21:15,800 --> 01:21:17,549
Speaker 1: trunk of the car using the supplies.

1656
01:21:17,650 --> 01:21:19,810
Speaker 4: And then he goes to bed. And four days later,

1657
01:21:19,850 --> 01:21:24,130
Speaker 4: Dana's body is found. So Robert, At this point, as

1658
01:21:24,170 --> 01:21:26,770
Speaker 4: an adult, tells police that he thinks his father's car,

1659
01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:30,219
Speaker 4: the one that was used in the abduction, is buried

1660
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 4: on a former property that belonged to his dad.

1661
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:35,740
Speaker 1: And I was like, what the fuck? But apparently people bury.

1662
01:21:35,439 --> 01:21:36,920
Speaker 4: Their fucking cars in their backyards.

1663
01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:39,700
Speaker 1: Yeah. Is this a thing? That's a thing. Okay.

1664
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 3: When you live out in the country, you don't want, like,

1665
01:21:42,140 --> 01:21:45,120
Speaker 3: you're not going to take it anywhere.

1666
01:21:45,380 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 1: Why? Well, I mean, like, it's just like a thing

1667
01:21:48,020 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, just go put it out there.

1668
01:21:49,860 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 1: Because there's tons of room.

1669
01:21:51,100 --> 01:21:51,180
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1670
01:21:51,800 --> 01:21:52,000
Speaker 1: So.

1671
01:21:52,850 --> 01:21:55,930
Speaker 3: Like maybe it costs money to tow or whatever. So

1672
01:21:55,950 --> 01:21:58,210
Speaker 3: the easier thing is just get out there with some

1673
01:21:58,250 --> 01:22:05,720
Speaker 3: manual labor and get rid of it. It's a little

1674
01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:10,110
Speaker 3: bit like, you know, if you live way out, like

1675
01:22:10,170 --> 01:22:13,729
Speaker 3: when you're kind of like way out in the boondocks,

1676
01:22:14,250 --> 01:22:16,210
Speaker 3: everything is a big pain in the ass and takes like,

1677
01:22:16,250 --> 01:22:20,090
Speaker 3: you know, you'd have to drive it into the junkyard

1678
01:22:20,150 --> 01:22:21,300
Speaker 3: for 45 minutes or whatever.

1679
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:23,599
Speaker 1: This is what happens when you grow up in suburbia.

1680
01:22:23,660 --> 01:22:25,900
Speaker 1: You just don't know fucking country things.

1681
01:22:26,950 --> 01:22:30,210
Speaker 4: Anything about country life. You're a horse person. I didn't

1682
01:22:30,270 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 4: even have an opportunity. I didn't even meet a horse

1683
01:22:32,520 --> 01:22:33,560
Speaker 4: that wasn't miserable.

1684
01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 3: I wish I was a horse person. I was like,

1685
01:22:36,020 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 3: I was like the person who didn't have the right boots.

1686
01:22:38,460 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: Like there's horse people. That's like the equestrian. That's like

1687
01:22:41,060 --> 01:22:45,230
Speaker 3: rich people. We were like the bareback, you know, seventies

1688
01:22:45,290 --> 01:22:47,030
Speaker 3: children that were like, we're probably going to get that

1689
01:22:47,150 --> 01:22:48,349
Speaker 3: bucked off pretty soon.

1690
01:22:48,570 --> 01:22:52,070
Speaker 1: We're like the kids with arm casts and shit. No shoes.

1691
01:22:52,090 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: I love it. Okay. Cars buried. Okay. So after a

1692
01:22:58,180 --> 01:23:04,630
Speaker 1: 16-month investigation into Robert's story, the RCMP refused to try

1693
01:23:04,670 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 1: to retrieve the vehicle. And they also dismissed Robert's story completely,

1694
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:12,400
Speaker 1: saying it didn't match the known facts of the case. Oh,

1695
01:23:12,460 --> 01:23:13,220
Speaker 1: I disagree. I agree.

1696
01:23:13,890 --> 01:23:16,610
Speaker 4: They said, quote, the vast differences between the known hard

1697
01:23:16,689 --> 01:23:19,630
Speaker 4: facts of the case in this person's account cannot be overstated.

1698
01:23:20,110 --> 01:23:23,920
Speaker 4: So they think, hold on, let me read this to you. Okay,

1699
01:23:23,939 --> 01:23:27,780
Speaker 4: but I will tell you that they did tell Robert

1700
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,180
Speaker 4: that they found enough evidence to corroborate his claims of

1701
01:23:30,220 --> 01:23:32,480
Speaker 4: sexual abuse against the bad man.

1702
01:23:32,540 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1703
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:36,790
Speaker 1: He's identified as Thomas Carey, who was actually arrested and

1704
01:23:36,830 --> 01:23:39,070
Speaker 1: convicted of sexually abusing children in the 90s.

1705
01:23:39,290 --> 01:23:39,390
Speaker 3: Shit.

1706
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:41,770
Speaker 1: So he was a legit fucking pedophile.

1707
01:23:41,790 --> 01:23:42,010
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1708
01:23:42,729 --> 01:23:45,320
Speaker 1: And chronic. Yeah, and he served time, but he's now free,

1709
01:23:45,380 --> 01:23:45,939
Speaker 1: which is fun.

1710
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 3: Whoa.

1711
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: In Newfoundland? Yeah, in a different city. Ooh. Yeah.

1712
01:23:52,420 --> 01:23:56,210
Speaker 4: So, but as far as this dude murdering Dana, they

1713
01:23:56,250 --> 01:23:59,710
Speaker 4: believe that Robert read about the case and became a

1714
01:23:59,890 --> 01:24:01,769
Speaker 4: victim of false memory syndrome.

1715
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:03,110
Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.

1716
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:05,950
Speaker 4: Where a person believes a memory to be true and

1717
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:09,530
Speaker 4: it colors their whole life and they believe everything. So

1718
01:24:09,990 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 4: they think that he just read so much about it

1719
01:24:11,900 --> 01:24:14,300
Speaker 4: because the stuff he read, the stuff that.

1720
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,050
Speaker 1: He knew was stuff you could read about in the papers. Oh,

1721
01:24:17,150 --> 01:24:17,510
Speaker 1: so he.

1722
01:24:18,229 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 3: basically got super into the case and then his memories

1723
01:24:22,140 --> 01:24:24,900
Speaker 3: began to fill in and match what he'd read. Right.

1724
01:24:24,920 --> 01:24:27,019
Speaker 1: And maybe he was an alcoholic and didn't remember doing

1725
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,120
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And it is true. They talked to

1726
01:24:29,160 --> 01:24:32,540
Speaker 1: his dad and his dad like corroborates that the man,

1727
01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:34,440
Speaker 1: who the guy was and that he was around and

1728
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:37,900
Speaker 1: that he probably molested his kids. Also that, uh, in

1729
01:24:37,939 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 1: the first couple of weeks of the investigation, they did

1730
01:24:40,060 --> 01:24:42,190
Speaker 1: come and take a look at his car because they

1731
01:24:42,200 --> 01:24:44,009
Speaker 1: were checking everyone's car that was similar.

1732
01:24:44,110 --> 01:24:47,630
Speaker 4: So maybe he had a memory of that somehow. So

1733
01:24:47,650 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 4: they don't believe it's true, but a huge, big group

1734
01:24:49,650 --> 01:24:52,400
Speaker 4: of civilians do believe it. They have a Facebook group

1735
01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:53,910
Speaker 4: and there's like 10,000 people on it.

1736
01:24:54,060 --> 01:24:57,940
Speaker 1: Oh, amazing. And they believe Robert's story. And so in May...

1737
01:24:57,780 --> 01:24:59,580
Speaker 1: I do too. I know. You can be one of them.

1738
01:25:00,260 --> 01:25:05,200
Speaker 4: In May 2016, they collect enough money to evacuate the car.

1739
01:25:05,700 --> 01:25:07,500
Speaker 1: Evacuate. Excavate. Yep.

1740
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:07,620
Speaker 3: Yep.

1741
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,349
Speaker 1: Evacuate it from the ground. I mean, same idea. Yes,

1742
01:25:12,430 --> 01:25:16,100
Speaker 1: it is. Yeah. Just kind of going up different directions.

1743
01:25:16,120 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1744
01:25:16,460 --> 01:25:20,060
Speaker 1: Up and out of dirt. Right. It's funny to excavate

1745
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:21,470
Speaker 1: the car. It says excavate.

1746
01:25:23,420 --> 01:25:26,019
Speaker 4: But before it was completed. So these fucking poor people

1747
01:25:26,040 --> 01:25:28,000
Speaker 4: are like, we believe it. We're going to do it

1748
01:25:28,060 --> 01:25:30,799
Speaker 4: justice for Dana. Like all they want is for Dana's

1749
01:25:30,939 --> 01:25:32,980
Speaker 4: murder to be solved because it's such a small town

1750
01:25:33,040 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 4: and like fucked everyone up so much. Yeah.

1751
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:36,309
Speaker 1: So they're doing it.

1752
01:25:36,460 --> 01:25:39,140
Speaker 4: And then while they're doing it before it's completed, the

1753
01:25:39,380 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 4: fucking RCMP is like, Hey, guess what? You guys, we

1754
01:25:42,820 --> 01:25:46,969
Speaker 4: retested some old DNA from the case with advanced technologies

1755
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:50,070
Speaker 4: and we're able to connect the DNA to an unknown

1756
01:25:50,130 --> 01:25:54,690
Speaker 4: male suspect. So it's not that fucking dude. It's just some,

1757
01:25:54,910 --> 01:25:56,730
Speaker 4: it's not one of the suspects we have right now.

1758
01:25:56,890 --> 01:26:00,170
Speaker 4: It's just an unknown. Not, they have to test it

1759
01:26:00,189 --> 01:26:03,270
Speaker 4: against the suspects, but it's not, a man is not

1760
01:26:03,310 --> 01:26:04,580
Speaker 4: in the data, in the system.

1761
01:26:05,220 --> 01:26:08,900
Speaker 1: Whoa. So those poor people are like, shit. And then

1762
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:13,300
Speaker 1: they're like, yeah. That seems a little mean.

1763
01:26:14,040 --> 01:26:16,500
Speaker 3: I want to believe in the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.

1764
01:26:16,540 --> 01:26:18,980
Speaker 1: Yeah, we all do. Because they have such great chins.

1765
01:26:19,930 --> 01:26:20,150
Speaker 3: But.

1766
01:26:20,930 --> 01:26:23,610
Speaker 1: I don't like this. I know. I don't like, I

1767
01:26:23,630 --> 01:26:24,990
Speaker 1: don't like this. I know.

1768
01:26:25,010 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 4: How about we independently check the DNA?

1769
01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: Us in the pod loft. Oh, I've got my spinning,

1770
01:26:31,400 --> 01:26:34,160
Speaker 1: my spinning thing. How about in the DNA loft? We

1771
01:26:34,180 --> 01:26:37,860
Speaker 1: make this into a DNA loft. We seal this off.

1772
01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,550
Speaker 1: Seal it off. No cats allowed. We get those, it's

1773
01:26:40,650 --> 01:26:41,790
Speaker 1: like hazmat suits.

1774
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:42,150
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1775
01:26:42,490 --> 01:26:45,150
Speaker 1: We handle things. Yeah. Gloves.

1776
01:26:45,229 --> 01:26:45,490
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1777
01:26:45,530 --> 01:26:47,370
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. We'll do it.

1778
01:26:48,510 --> 01:26:51,389
Speaker 4: Um, and they, so they tested the DNA against Thomas Carey,

1779
01:26:51,470 --> 01:26:55,769
Speaker 4: no match. He's officially ruled out as a suspect. Um,

1780
01:26:56,520 --> 01:26:58,580
Speaker 4: but there are also other cases of missing and murdered

1781
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 4: women in the area around that time that might be

1782
01:27:01,180 --> 01:27:04,400
Speaker 4: connected to Dana. In fact, the chief medical examiner, Simon

1783
01:27:04,500 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 4: Avis stated that at least two serial killers have been

1784
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,300
Speaker 4: active in the province and that one of them is

1785
01:27:10,340 --> 01:27:12,339
Speaker 4: due to be released from prison, but he wouldn't.

1786
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:16,660
Speaker 1: Tell them who it was. Oh shit. Guess what? That's fucked.

1787
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:21,790
Speaker 1: So they have... Yeah, right. God, tell me more, please.

1788
01:27:21,890 --> 01:27:22,349
Speaker 1: I know.

1789
01:27:24,130 --> 01:27:27,050
Speaker 4: They still received many new tips, but for now, all

1790
01:27:27,070 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 4: they can do is test the DNA against their hundreds

1791
01:27:29,850 --> 01:27:33,719
Speaker 4: of suspects in the hopes of finally finding Dana Bradley's killer.

1792
01:27:33,740 --> 01:27:39,360
Speaker 1: Wow. And that's the murder of Dana Bradley. It's so intense.

1793
01:27:39,900 --> 01:27:43,310
Speaker 3: It... I feel like you said the perfect detail at

1794
01:27:43,330 --> 01:27:45,980
Speaker 3: the beginning that hooked me in in the worst way.

1795
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:50,200
Speaker 3: Those brothers seeing her hitchhiking and thinking she was too

1796
01:27:50,260 --> 01:27:53,780
Speaker 3: little to be hitchhiking just set that tone of like,

1797
01:27:55,130 --> 01:27:55,889
Speaker 3: She's a baby.

1798
01:27:55,910 --> 01:27:56,590
Speaker 1: She's a baby.

1799
01:27:57,030 --> 01:27:57,380
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1800
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: And that happens. I know.

1801
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,740
Speaker 3: We read these stories all the time and we get like,

1802
01:28:02,100 --> 01:28:05,580
Speaker 3: the more I do these stories and you see this repetitive,

1803
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:10,059
Speaker 3: the habit of calling people prostitutes and hookers and.

1804
01:28:12,120 --> 01:28:13,860
Speaker 1: um, basically they're so.

1805
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 3: Especially in, you know, the Hillside Stranglers, it's leads with prostitute, prostitute.

1806
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,500
Speaker 1: She's a prostitute. It's dismissive and totally reductive.

1807
01:28:23,660 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 3: And it's like, they should, it should be like, she

1808
01:28:27,240 --> 01:28:28,310
Speaker 3: looked like she was 12.

1809
01:28:28,310 --> 01:28:32,450
Speaker 1: Like it's that, but also like saying she was 14,

1810
01:28:32,450 --> 01:28:35,830
Speaker 1: you think of her a little more, a little older,

1811
01:28:36,170 --> 01:28:39,190
Speaker 1: like at 14, I had gotten into some shit, you know,

1812
01:28:39,470 --> 01:28:41,280
Speaker 1: but then you look at an actual 14 year old

1813
01:28:41,340 --> 01:28:43,380
Speaker 1: and everyday normal 14 year old, especially back in the

1814
01:28:43,420 --> 01:28:46,530
Speaker 1: fucking seventies and eighties. And they were little babies. They're

1815
01:28:46,570 --> 01:28:47,110
Speaker 1: little babies.

1816
01:28:47,370 --> 01:28:49,660
Speaker 3: And even, I mean, like what they look like is,

1817
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:55,400
Speaker 3: when I went home, um, for the holidays, I remember sitting,

1818
01:28:55,439 --> 01:28:57,099
Speaker 3: my sister and I laughed about this. Remember the guy

1819
01:28:57,120 --> 01:29:00,889
Speaker 3: that was running, um, for something in the South. And

1820
01:29:00,970 --> 01:29:03,030
Speaker 3: he was the one that had been kicked out of

1821
01:29:03,070 --> 01:29:06,370
Speaker 3: the mall for harassing teenage girls. And it was that

1822
01:29:06,430 --> 01:29:09,110
Speaker 3: whole thing where people started talking about like, it's fine.

1823
01:29:09,150 --> 01:29:13,030
Speaker 3: And you know, down here people can, you're allowed to

1824
01:29:13,070 --> 01:29:15,740
Speaker 3: date 16 year olds and all that weird shit. when

1825
01:29:15,780 --> 01:29:17,440
Speaker 3: we went home, my sister and I were sitting at

1826
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 3: Christmas and one of my, my two nieces were there.

1827
01:29:21,390 --> 01:29:22,950
Speaker 3: One of them had just gone off to college and

1828
01:29:23,150 --> 01:29:25,790
Speaker 3: one I believe was a freshman. And I was like,

1829
01:29:25,870 --> 01:29:30,229
Speaker 3: would you want Anna to be dating that guy? Like,

1830
01:29:30,270 --> 01:29:33,950
Speaker 3: would you really go online and be like, it's fine

1831
01:29:33,970 --> 01:29:38,670
Speaker 3: that my niece dates that old man? Like teenage girls

1832
01:29:39,030 --> 01:29:44,230
Speaker 3: are such a fetishized kind of like, you know, sexualized

1833
01:29:44,390 --> 01:29:48,710
Speaker 3: and like overly matured group where it's like, oh yeah,

1834
01:29:48,790 --> 01:29:49,850
Speaker 3: hot teenage.

1835
01:29:49,470 --> 01:29:53,070
Speaker 1: Girl, whatever, where it's like, they're children. They're children and

1836
01:29:53,090 --> 01:29:55,689
Speaker 1: they have had no life experience yet. They don't know

1837
01:29:56,110 --> 01:29:59,100
Speaker 1: how to live, you know, make good decisions yet and

1838
01:29:59,140 --> 01:30:02,339
Speaker 1: be on their own. And they're not, they're not adults.

1839
01:30:02,380 --> 01:30:08,360
Speaker 1: Their brains aren't fucking complete. And they're, they're still half children.

1840
01:30:08,380 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 3: Like that's the thing to remember.

1841
01:30:10,140 --> 01:30:11,080
Speaker 1: It kind of fucked me up.

1842
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,400
Speaker 4: When I, so, you know, I did a lot of

1843
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:16,849
Speaker 4: shit and I was 13 and 14. And then when

1844
01:30:16,890 --> 01:30:18,950
Speaker 4: I was in my twenties, I was with a guy

1845
01:30:18,990 --> 01:30:21,050
Speaker 4: for a long time of my boyfriend who had a

1846
01:30:22,050 --> 01:30:25,090
Speaker 4: daughter who was 10 when I met him. And then,

1847
01:30:25,150 --> 01:30:26,809
Speaker 4: so I was with him for a few years and

1848
01:30:26,870 --> 01:30:28,830
Speaker 4: saw her at 13 and 14. And it kind of

1849
01:30:28,850 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 4: hit me as like, Seeing her and how sweet and

1850
01:30:31,820 --> 01:30:33,880
Speaker 4: young and innocent she was.

1851
01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:36,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I thought I was a big adult back then.

1852
01:30:36,460 --> 01:30:36,820
Speaker 1: Of course.

1853
01:30:36,960 --> 01:30:40,040
Speaker 4: And it kind of put everything into perspective of what

1854
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:42,349
Speaker 4: I had done and what had been done to me

1855
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:42,889
Speaker 4: back then.

1856
01:30:42,970 --> 01:30:47,250
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's just, yeah, it's troubling.

1857
01:30:47,430 --> 01:30:52,650
Speaker 3: It's heavy shit, but it's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1858
01:30:52,870 --> 01:30:54,910
Speaker 1: Yeah. Try to be as young as you can for

1859
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:55,689
Speaker 1: as long as you can.

1860
01:30:55,710 --> 01:30:56,390
Speaker 2: Oh, do it.

1861
01:30:56,570 --> 01:31:00,479
Speaker 1: It's not... You'll grow up inevitably. It's going to happen. Yeah,

1862
01:31:00,500 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 1: it's a real bummer. Kids don't ever listen when you

1863
01:31:02,820 --> 01:31:04,520
Speaker 1: say stuff like that. Do kids listen to this? Stop

1864
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: listening to this. Yeah, we've met a couple. That's true.

1865
01:31:07,760 --> 01:31:10,620
Speaker 3: Oh, little baby children, girls that come up.

1866
01:31:10,780 --> 01:31:15,700
Speaker 1: I know. Always with their mothers. Always with their mothers.

1867
01:31:16,189 --> 01:31:22,150
Speaker 1: Listen to your mothers. And we're back. Do you have

1868
01:31:22,189 --> 01:31:23,390
Speaker 1: any updates? No.

1869
01:31:23,610 --> 01:31:25,950
Speaker 2: And I mean, I looked it up just to see

1870
01:31:25,970 --> 01:31:30,170
Speaker 2: if there's any little speck of an update. You know,

1871
01:31:30,189 --> 01:31:34,130
Speaker 2: they have the DNA. There's nothing. And it's, I mean,

1872
01:31:34,150 --> 01:31:35,510
Speaker 2: I feel like this has got to be one of

1873
01:31:35,550 --> 01:31:37,889
Speaker 2: those ones where it's like in the next year or two,

1874
01:31:37,930 --> 01:31:40,849
Speaker 2: we're going to hear something. We have to. It's a

1875
01:31:40,870 --> 01:31:44,700
Speaker 2: 14-year-old girl who was brutally murdered like 40 years ago. Like,

1876
01:31:44,780 --> 01:31:49,010
Speaker 2: let's get this solved. Not yet, but maybe... Well, the

1877
01:31:49,050 --> 01:31:49,580
Speaker 2: way that.

1878
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:52,310
Speaker 3: It seems like cold case teams are being put together

1879
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:55,570
Speaker 3: these days, I feel like that's part of the story.

1880
01:31:56,330 --> 01:32:00,050
Speaker 3: Every time we hear about something getting cleared, it's because

1881
01:32:00,110 --> 01:32:03,670
Speaker 3: they had just put a task force together or they

1882
01:32:03,710 --> 01:32:05,510
Speaker 3: finally had money for a cold case team.

1883
01:32:05,689 --> 01:32:06,009
Speaker 2: Right.

1884
01:32:07,010 --> 01:32:07,230
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1885
01:32:07,720 --> 01:32:12,140
Speaker 2: Hopefully, when we do rewind episodes and do this one again,

1886
01:32:12,160 --> 01:32:15,130
Speaker 2: then hopefully by then they'll be... Updates.

1887
01:32:15,170 --> 01:32:16,889
Speaker 1: And it'll just be you and I looking in the mirror.

1888
01:32:17,710 --> 01:32:18,290
Speaker 2: Crying.

1889
01:32:19,410 --> 01:32:23,540
Speaker 1: Now I'm just weeping uncontrollably. Now it's time for Good

1890
01:32:23,580 --> 01:32:24,180
Speaker 1: Things of the Week.

1891
01:32:31,250 --> 01:32:33,630
Speaker 4: Um, so, all right, here's the, I don't know. This

1892
01:32:33,710 --> 01:32:35,550
Speaker 4: is the end of the show where we do say

1893
01:32:35,610 --> 01:32:37,809
Speaker 4: nice things. It doesn't have to have a name, right?

1894
01:32:38,030 --> 01:32:39,570
Speaker 3: It doesn't have to have a name, but we've been

1895
01:32:39,590 --> 01:32:43,340
Speaker 3: getting suggestions in a way that is in it's endearing

1896
01:32:43,850 --> 01:32:45,800
Speaker 3: and it's also hilarious.

1897
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:48,040
Speaker 1: People are trying and they're trying in a way.

1898
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 4: That makes me feel better that there is no fucking

1899
01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:55,110
Speaker 4: proper name for this. They're trying so hard and none

1900
01:32:55,130 --> 01:32:55,850
Speaker 4: of them are working.

1901
01:32:56,510 --> 01:32:59,610
Speaker 1: Well, you know why? Because people, you know, it's the

1902
01:32:59,630 --> 01:33:02,049
Speaker 1: thing of should it be funny? Should it be a pun?

1903
01:33:02,090 --> 01:33:04,630
Speaker 1: Should it be sincere? I think I took a picture

1904
01:33:04,650 --> 01:33:07,010
Speaker 1: of one that I liked. Oh, do you have the list?

1905
01:33:07,490 --> 01:33:10,360
Speaker 1: Stephen made a list? Stephen made a list. Here, you

1906
01:33:10,380 --> 01:33:12,020
Speaker 1: take it. Oh, thanks. I get to read it.

1907
01:33:12,020 --> 01:33:14,680
Speaker 3: Georgia knows I love stuff like this. Okay, I'm going

1908
01:33:14,700 --> 01:33:16,240
Speaker 3: to read it and you can tell me. You just

1909
01:33:16,280 --> 01:33:17,360
Speaker 3: say yes or no off the top of your head.

1910
01:33:18,360 --> 01:33:19,979
Speaker 3: Kathy suggested happy talk.

1911
01:33:20,870 --> 01:33:21,210
Speaker 2: Okay.

1912
01:33:21,830 --> 01:33:29,070
Speaker 1: Megan suggested rejuvenation station. Oh, that reminds me of my

1913
01:33:29,100 --> 01:33:35,269
Speaker 1: vagina immediately. Rejuvenation station. Isn't that what you get to

1914
01:33:35,290 --> 01:33:38,220
Speaker 1: feed up in the stirrups? Yeah, isn't that plastic surgery?

1915
01:33:38,240 --> 01:33:39,139
Speaker 1: Vaginal rejuvenation.

1916
01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:39,620
Speaker 2: All right.

1917
01:33:40,800 --> 01:33:43,280
Speaker 3: That's my favorite comedy line that I ever wrote.

1918
01:33:43,979 --> 01:33:46,220
Speaker 1: Not ever, but it was one of the earliest ones.

1919
01:33:46,650 --> 01:33:49,490
Speaker 3: When Zach Galifianakis had his talk show, Late World with

1920
01:33:49,530 --> 01:33:50,370
Speaker 3: Zach on VH1.

1921
01:33:50,490 --> 01:33:50,689
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.

1922
01:33:51,290 --> 01:33:53,590
Speaker 1: Yeah, I totally forgot about that. Right? It was my

1923
01:33:53,630 --> 01:33:55,160
Speaker 1: second staff writing job. Oh, my God.

1924
01:33:55,490 --> 01:33:59,370
Speaker 3: And Sarah Silverman, they did a tape piece where Sarah

1925
01:33:59,430 --> 01:34:02,389
Speaker 3: went to a vaginal plastic surgeon to interview him.

1926
01:34:03,229 --> 01:34:04,620
Speaker 1: And I wrote it.

1927
01:34:04,810 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 3: And one of the, I mean, of course, she riffed

1928
01:34:06,820 --> 01:34:09,060
Speaker 3: a ton of shit herself, of course. But one of

1929
01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:10,500
Speaker 3: the things I wrote for her to say that she

1930
01:34:10,540 --> 01:34:12,720
Speaker 3: delivered so perfectly, and it was my favorite thing, is

1931
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:18,240
Speaker 3: after a day of rejuvenating vaginas, how can you believe

1932
01:34:18,280 --> 01:34:18,639
Speaker 3: in love?

1933
01:34:18,660 --> 01:34:21,600
Speaker 1: Yeah. And it's the way she did it.

1934
01:34:21,610 --> 01:34:24,580
Speaker 3: That wording probably isn't right on, but the way she

1935
01:34:24,620 --> 01:34:26,820
Speaker 3: did it, she had this big smile on her face,

1936
01:34:26,880 --> 01:34:28,900
Speaker 3: and the guy just stares at her like he has

1937
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:30,120
Speaker 3: no idea what she's talking about.

1938
01:34:30,760 --> 01:34:31,540
Speaker 1: That's my brag.

1939
01:34:32,040 --> 01:34:35,140
Speaker 3: I can figure out any way to talk about myself.

1940
01:34:35,300 --> 01:34:37,860
Speaker 1: Have you noticed that? Yeah, but there are good stories

1941
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:38,300
Speaker 1: at least.

1942
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:41,660
Speaker 3: Oh, God. I'm so sick of my own voice.

1943
01:34:42,380 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 1: Nick suggested cheerful chasers. No. Sorry, Nick.

1944
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:46,500
Speaker 3: Nick.

1945
01:34:47,020 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 1: And I see. Anna and Jerry suggested my favorite moment. Okay.

1946
01:34:51,939 --> 01:34:52,360
Speaker 2: That's cute.

1947
01:34:52,380 --> 01:34:55,520
Speaker 1: I mean, that's smart. They're marketing experts probably.

1948
01:34:55,540 --> 01:34:55,620
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1949
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 1: Because they're like, keep it on brand.

1950
01:34:57,760 --> 01:34:58,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1951
01:34:58,040 --> 01:35:00,320
Speaker 1: But I don't want to have to say that every week. Yeah.

1952
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:02,780
Speaker 1: Elizabeth said, my favorite party vibes.

1953
01:35:03,580 --> 01:35:05,260
Speaker 3: And she had a U in it, so she's from

1954
01:35:05,300 --> 01:35:05,700
Speaker 3: somewhere else.

1955
01:35:05,740 --> 01:35:09,040
Speaker 1: Nice. Canada or England. Molly said, put a pin in it.

1956
01:35:09,050 --> 01:35:11,200
Speaker 1: I like it.

1957
01:35:11,560 --> 01:35:15,350
Speaker 3: Hilla Monster said, post-mortem positivity.

1958
01:35:15,830 --> 01:35:18,849
Speaker 1: That's good. It just takes so long to say. It does.

1959
01:35:19,729 --> 01:35:23,610
Speaker 1: Andrea said, kick some kudos. Andrea's going for it. Andrea's

1960
01:35:23,670 --> 01:35:27,450
Speaker 1: a mom. Um, Andrew does some high kicks. Yeah. Jenny

1961
01:35:27,470 --> 01:35:30,810
Speaker 1: with an eye said, post pod, pick me up.

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Speaker 3: Um, and then to go along with that alliteration, Tara

1963
01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:36,840
Speaker 3: says positivity pocket.

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01:35:37,939 --> 01:35:43,560
Speaker 1: See, it's impossible. It's hilarious. Um, Colette has suggested my

1965
01:35:43,620 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: current jam. Okay. I don't mind it. Sarah says we

1966
01:35:48,340 --> 01:35:54,729
Speaker 1: should call it fucking hooray. I think that's it. I mean, that's...

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01:35:56,130 --> 01:35:57,730
Speaker 1: I think Stephen put that at the end because he

1968
01:35:57,790 --> 01:35:59,130
Speaker 1: knew that we would like it the best. Can you

1969
01:35:59,150 --> 01:36:00,750
Speaker 1: make up a jingle, Karen? Am I right?

1970
01:36:00,930 --> 01:36:01,070
Speaker 3: For.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's fucking hooray! There! There! Yes, you can. It

1972
01:36:06,050 --> 01:36:08,190
Speaker 1: just came out of me. That's beautiful. That was my favorite.

1973
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Speaker 1: Was it? Yeah. That was my favorite one. Fucking hooray.

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01:36:11,370 --> 01:36:14,160
Speaker 1: I mean... That's perfect. It's pretty... It pretty nailed it.

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Speaker 1: All right. Fucking hooray it is. Who did it? What's

1976
01:36:16,350 --> 01:36:18,469
Speaker 1: her name again? That was Sarah with an H. Sarah

1977
01:36:18,490 --> 01:36:22,330
Speaker 1: with an H? Congratulations. I mean, you win. But Megan,

1978
01:36:22,510 --> 01:36:26,260
Speaker 1: Rejuvenation Station, you're right there. The closest of seconds.

1979
01:36:27,100 --> 01:36:29,160
Speaker 3: But again, the vagina part.

1980
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,760
Speaker 1: It's not your problem. It's not your fault.

1981
01:36:31,880 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 4: If this was purely a feminism podcast, they would win.

1982
01:36:36,710 --> 01:36:38,590
Speaker 4: What is your fucking hooray?

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01:36:39,010 --> 01:36:39,730
Speaker 1: Want me to go first?

1984
01:36:39,810 --> 01:36:39,970
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:40,729
Speaker 1: Do you have one?

1986
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Speaker 4: Mine is that someone suggested I start reading this again,

1987
01:36:43,830 --> 01:36:45,830
Speaker 4: and I'm so glad I did because it's so positive.

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01:36:46,450 --> 01:36:47,890
Speaker 1: It's Tiny Beautiful Things.

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01:36:48,290 --> 01:36:52,980
Speaker 4: It's the Dear Sugar book by Cheryl Strayed, who wrote Wild.

1990
01:36:53,100 --> 01:36:58,720
Speaker 4: She was this anonymous advice columnist for years. And the

1991
01:36:58,760 --> 01:37:02,860
Speaker 4: book is like a um, what's it called? Compilation of

1992
01:37:02,880 --> 01:37:05,460
Speaker 4: like some of her best, but it tells the story.

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Speaker 4: It's so beautiful. She's so incredible. The way she talks

1994
01:37:09,220 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 4: to people who are going through this traumatic, crazy shit

1995
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:14,400
Speaker 4: is so real and human. And even if it's problems

1996
01:37:14,420 --> 01:37:16,700
Speaker 4: that you've never gone through, which most of them are,

1997
01:37:16,939 --> 01:37:19,559
Speaker 4: but you can relate to in some way. Um, it's

1998
01:37:19,580 --> 01:37:22,360
Speaker 4: really great advice and just a really great life lesson.

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Speaker 4: I it's, I can't recommend it enough. Tiny, beautiful things.

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01:37:25,229 --> 01:37:29,070
Speaker 1: So tiny, beautiful things is another advice book. Yeah. It's dear.

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01:37:29,150 --> 01:37:32,009
Speaker 1: It's the dear sugar book. Oh, okay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:37:32,610 --> 01:37:37,030
Speaker 1: Is it red? It's orange. Yeah. Orange. Is that it?

2004
01:37:37,060 --> 01:37:37,519
Speaker 1: Do you have it?

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01:37:37,800 --> 01:37:37,950
Speaker 3: Yes.

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01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:40,179
Speaker 1: Okay. Yes. I didn't realize that was the title.

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01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:40,300
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:42,800
Speaker 4: It's called Tiny Beautiful Things. It's the Dear Sugar book.

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01:37:43,350 --> 01:37:44,970
Speaker 4: By Cheryl Strayed. I've also read it.

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01:37:45,150 --> 01:37:49,220
Speaker 1: It's amazing. It's so great. It's really smart. It's like

2011
01:37:49,320 --> 01:37:51,500
Speaker 1: advice in that way. Like I used to, like when

2012
01:37:51,540 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 1: I used to read Elle and I'd always read Dear E.

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Speaker 3: Jean.

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01:37:54,560 --> 01:37:54,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:37:54,979 --> 01:37:57,849
Speaker 3: And like sometimes her advice was great and really direct and,

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01:37:58,020 --> 01:37:59,870
Speaker 3: you know, badass. But then also sometimes it was like,

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01:37:59,890 --> 01:38:01,830
Speaker 3: I don't, I'm not with this.

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01:38:02,050 --> 01:38:06,210
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like this take on life because everybody's different.

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01:38:06,250 --> 01:38:06,330
Speaker 2: Sure.

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01:38:06,350 --> 01:38:06,530
Speaker 4: Whatever.

2021
01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:10,210
Speaker 1: Whatever. I'm with that shit that Dear Sugar talks about.

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01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:12,970
Speaker 4: Well, she does what you do, which is takes every

2023
01:38:13,010 --> 01:38:15,320
Speaker 4: question as a chance to talk about herself and her life.

2024
01:38:16,280 --> 01:38:21,120
Speaker 4: But then somehow fucking turns it into this incredible way

2025
01:38:21,180 --> 01:38:24,750
Speaker 4: to relate to the person and then also empathize with

2026
01:38:24,750 --> 01:38:28,510
Speaker 4: them so incredibly hard. It's just, it's obviously this, the

2027
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:32,190
Speaker 4: person who wrote it, dear sugar is just so, she's so, uh,

2028
01:38:33,410 --> 01:38:36,750
Speaker 4: she's so human and so empathetic and thoughtful. It's really

2029
01:38:36,770 --> 01:38:39,170
Speaker 4: a beautiful book and you'll, and you'll, you'll grow and

2030
01:38:39,210 --> 01:38:39,890
Speaker 4: heal from it.

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Speaker 1: You're so, I mean, yeah, that's a good one. That's

2032
01:38:43,950 --> 01:38:48,180
Speaker 1: my hooray. Fucking hooray. Fucking hooray. And that works. That

2033
01:38:48,220 --> 01:38:54,920
Speaker 1: title really works. Mine is a little weird, but I'm finding.

2034
01:38:57,370 --> 01:38:58,570
Speaker 1: I got this book on tape.

2035
01:38:58,790 --> 01:39:03,530
Speaker 3: I just haven't been feeling good about myself in a

2036
01:39:04,110 --> 01:39:05,400
Speaker 3: just physically way.

2037
01:39:05,420 --> 01:39:07,860
Speaker 1: Um, and just haven't been active.

2038
01:39:07,900 --> 01:39:10,820
Speaker 3: And I know that like moving around immediately makes me

2039
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:12,740
Speaker 3: feel better. And the less I do it, the less

2040
01:39:12,780 --> 01:39:15,580
Speaker 3: I want to do it. And it's just, you know,

2041
01:39:15,720 --> 01:39:18,099
Speaker 3: I've been complaining to you privately about this for quite

2042
01:39:18,140 --> 01:39:18,479
Speaker 3: some time.

2043
01:39:18,540 --> 01:39:24,689
Speaker 1: Um, So there is... I just started looking randomly. It

2044
01:39:24,710 --> 01:39:26,210
Speaker 1: was like, what should I do? I need to do

2045
01:39:26,250 --> 01:39:28,269
Speaker 1: something right now. And I'm like, I'll listen to a podcast.

2046
01:39:28,710 --> 01:39:31,389
Speaker 3: So first I found a podcast called Half Size Me,

2047
01:39:31,890 --> 01:39:34,830
Speaker 3: which is hosted by a woman who is doing that

2048
01:39:34,850 --> 01:39:36,820
Speaker 3: thing where she's standing in one leg of the pants

2049
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:37,600
Speaker 3: she used to wear.

2050
01:39:37,620 --> 01:39:38,509
Speaker 1: And she is.

2051
01:39:40,520 --> 01:39:41,139
Speaker 1: I don't have the.

2052
01:39:41,580 --> 01:39:43,220
Speaker 3: Steven, will you find her name for me just so

2053
01:39:43,240 --> 01:39:46,300
Speaker 3: I can say it? But it's such a great podcast.

2054
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:51,500
Speaker 3: She talks to people who basically listen to the podcast

2055
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:54,480
Speaker 3: and lost weight. And they just talk about how they

2056
01:39:54,510 --> 01:39:55,519
Speaker 3: did it, what they did.

2057
01:39:55,600 --> 01:40:00,450
Speaker 1: Like what's effective. And she is really positive, really like...

2058
01:40:00,410 --> 01:40:01,110
Speaker 1: I just love it.

2059
01:40:01,530 --> 01:40:06,110
Speaker 3: There's so many ways to do that kind of talking incorrectly, like.

2060
01:40:05,770 --> 01:40:06,630
Speaker 1: Fitness or like.

2061
01:40:06,990 --> 01:40:08,770
Speaker 3: You know, what you need to do is you dig

2062
01:40:08,810 --> 01:40:10,250
Speaker 3: in or whatever, where it's like, but if you don't

2063
01:40:10,290 --> 01:40:14,719
Speaker 3: understand the feeling of having 40, 60, 80 extra pounds

2064
01:40:14,760 --> 01:40:17,500
Speaker 3: on your body, you just don't know. Like there are

2065
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:19,500
Speaker 3: people that give advice that have no idea what they're

2066
01:40:19,520 --> 01:40:23,219
Speaker 3: fucking talking about in that specific way. So it's very cool.

2067
01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:25,420
Speaker 3: It's a woman who did it. And then it's just

2068
01:40:25,460 --> 01:40:26,740
Speaker 3: talking to other people about how.

2069
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,729
Speaker 1: They did it. That's incredible. Because it's different for every

2070
01:40:29,750 --> 01:40:31,330
Speaker 1: single person. It's different for everybody.

2071
01:40:31,450 --> 01:40:33,850
Speaker 3: And it's really helpful to just hear real people who

2072
01:40:33,870 --> 01:40:35,770
Speaker 3: are like, yeah, yeah, that's what I was like too.

2073
01:40:35,810 --> 01:40:36,090
Speaker 1: And I did this.

2074
01:40:36,110 --> 01:40:38,229
Speaker 4: Well, it's harder to say, it's harder to be like,

2075
01:40:38,330 --> 01:40:41,020
Speaker 4: I can't do that when someone's like, but I did it.

2076
01:40:41,640 --> 01:40:42,800
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.

2077
01:40:43,120 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 3: Because when you're sitting at home alone, you're like, there's

2078
01:40:45,180 --> 01:40:46,500
Speaker 3: just no way and forget it.

2079
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:47,940
Speaker 1: It's the easiest thing to do.

2080
01:40:47,960 --> 01:40:49,820
Speaker 3: But when you're listening to people who are like, yeah,

2081
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:52,660
Speaker 3: I thought it was impossible, but here's what, here's what

2082
01:40:52,800 --> 01:40:54,040
Speaker 3: inspired me this day, this day.

2083
01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:57,099
Speaker 1: How about then your, um, your goal is to be

2084
01:40:57,200 --> 01:40:59,480
Speaker 1: on that podcast. Exactly.

2085
01:40:59,500 --> 01:41:01,720
Speaker 3: No, it really is because, oh, so wait, her name

2086
01:41:01,979 --> 01:41:02,940
Speaker 3: is Heather Robertson.

2087
01:41:03,540 --> 01:41:09,360
Speaker 1: Thanks, Stephen. Cool. Heather Robertson. Half-size me. But actually, so

2088
01:41:09,380 --> 01:41:10,860
Speaker 1: that's how I found this book.

2089
01:41:11,330 --> 01:41:11,550
Speaker 2: Okay.

2090
01:41:11,570 --> 01:41:16,010
Speaker 3: Because she recommends that everybody that's going to get into

2091
01:41:16,050 --> 01:41:17,210
Speaker 3: that whole thing read.

2092
01:41:17,010 --> 01:41:18,010
Speaker 1: This book first. Okay.

2093
01:41:18,330 --> 01:41:21,130
Speaker 3: The book is called The Diet Fix. And it's by

2094
01:41:21,400 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 3: a doctor named Yoni Friedhoff. And he is, I think,

2095
01:41:26,240 --> 01:41:27,240
Speaker 3: I believe he's Canadian.

2096
01:41:27,260 --> 01:41:27,480
Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

2097
01:41:28,350 --> 01:41:30,979
Speaker 3: It's basically the book you read when you have read

2098
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:33,900
Speaker 3: every fucking diet book, you've tried every diet, and you

2099
01:41:33,960 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 3: now don't know what to do because you have too

2100
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:41,450
Speaker 3: much information. And he calls people traumatized dieters. And the

2101
01:41:41,550 --> 01:41:44,210
Speaker 3: idea is you have to stop dieting. You have to

2102
01:41:44,250 --> 01:41:47,110
Speaker 3: stop restricting. You have to stop being mean to yourself

2103
01:41:47,189 --> 01:41:49,550
Speaker 3: and beating yourself up. And you have to start looking

2104
01:41:49,590 --> 01:41:51,900
Speaker 3: at all... All of it, like, how are you going

2105
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:52,960
Speaker 3: to do it in the positive way?

2106
01:41:53,100 --> 01:41:54,760
Speaker 1: Radical self-acceptance.

2107
01:41:54,780 --> 01:41:55,219
Speaker 2: It is.

2108
01:41:55,520 --> 01:41:57,840
Speaker 1: We were being sarcastic, but that's totally what it is.

2109
01:41:57,960 --> 01:42:01,160
Speaker 3: And it just, like, I am the quickest at starting

2110
01:42:01,180 --> 01:42:03,059
Speaker 3: to listen to something and being like, bullshit and you're

2111
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:03,320
Speaker 3: full of.

2112
01:42:03,300 --> 01:42:04,260
Speaker 1: Bullshit and goodbye.

2113
01:42:05,240 --> 01:42:08,360
Speaker 4: Well, you know what opening yourself up to and letting

2114
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 4: and trying it is just vulnerability.

2115
01:42:10,340 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 1: Because I'm also reading fucking Daring Greatly again. Brene Brown. Fuck,

2116
01:42:13,780 --> 01:42:17,139
Speaker 1: Brene Brown. Brene Brown. This is the self-help corner. I mean, there's...

2117
01:42:17,860 --> 01:42:18,380
Speaker 1: Here's the thing.

2118
01:42:19,120 --> 01:42:22,969
Speaker 3: When you actually find for, I've read a million self-help books.

2119
01:42:23,010 --> 01:42:26,110
Speaker 3: So like, that's why when I read Brene Brown's books,

2120
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:29,550
Speaker 3: I was like, holy shit, this is real because it

2121
01:42:29,670 --> 01:42:32,210
Speaker 3: isn't the usual, you know, the patterns and you know,

2122
01:42:32,250 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 3: that talk and you know, the like, you've just got

2123
01:42:34,580 --> 01:42:36,520
Speaker 3: to believe in yourself or whatever. It's like, that's not

2124
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,140
Speaker 3: going to help me get off the couch. What is like,

2125
01:42:39,200 --> 01:42:40,179
Speaker 3: how do I get inspired?

2126
01:42:40,220 --> 01:42:40,460
Speaker 1: Right.

2127
01:42:41,180 --> 01:42:47,010
Speaker 3: And the Diet Fix book unclenched something in my brain

2128
01:42:47,090 --> 01:42:49,290
Speaker 3: in the best way that just kind of made me

2129
01:42:49,330 --> 01:42:51,970
Speaker 3: go like, yeah, I'll just make little changes.

2130
01:42:51,710 --> 01:42:55,850
Speaker 1: And just start. Awesome. Little changes. That's a big part

2131
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:56,300
Speaker 1: of it, right?

2132
01:42:56,340 --> 01:42:59,400
Speaker 4: Because you're always like, I'm going to stop doing this

2133
01:42:59,660 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 4: entire life thing.

2134
01:43:00,939 --> 01:43:03,000
Speaker 1: I mean, how many times on the road was I like.

2135
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,340
Speaker 3: just, I'm, I would just turn to Georgia and be like,

2136
01:43:06,740 --> 01:43:08,740
Speaker 3: I'm just not going to eat macaroni and cheese at

2137
01:43:08,740 --> 01:43:11,770
Speaker 3: 11 o'clock anymore. And then Vince would be like, so

2138
01:43:11,810 --> 01:43:13,590
Speaker 3: we got to order dinner for after the show. And

2139
01:43:13,610 --> 01:43:15,690
Speaker 3: I'd be like, I'll go ahead and get some mac

2140
01:43:15,750 --> 01:43:19,450
Speaker 3: and cheese. Like, like it's a thing of when, I

2141
01:43:19,490 --> 01:43:22,530
Speaker 3: don't know, things are stressful, things, things are busy and

2142
01:43:22,550 --> 01:43:26,920
Speaker 3: you just want your guaranteed comfort. You just, it's like,

2143
01:43:26,939 --> 01:43:28,420
Speaker 3: if you don't know where else to get it, then

2144
01:43:28,460 --> 01:43:31,340
Speaker 3: you just go to the same well every time. And

2145
01:43:31,420 --> 01:43:33,750
Speaker 3: then that's how like, And he talks about this in

2146
01:43:33,790 --> 01:43:38,100
Speaker 3: that Diet Fix book. Where you've, if dieting worked, everybody

2147
01:43:38,140 --> 01:43:41,740
Speaker 3: would be thin and you beat yourself up for not

2148
01:43:41,760 --> 01:43:44,479
Speaker 3: being able to do a thing that no one can do.

2149
01:43:45,010 --> 01:43:47,889
Speaker 3: Because even like I've gone on things where I don't

2150
01:43:47,930 --> 01:43:51,130
Speaker 3: eat sugar for two years, you can do that, but

2151
01:43:51,410 --> 01:43:54,830
Speaker 3: you can't sustain it because you're not living happily.

2152
01:43:54,850 --> 01:43:58,130
Speaker 1: Then you can't continue to live that way. And so the.

2153
01:43:58,090 --> 01:44:01,050
Speaker 3: Goal is to figure out how to live happily without

2154
01:44:01,250 --> 01:44:02,929
Speaker 3: abusing yourself with food.

2155
01:44:03,150 --> 01:44:06,550
Speaker 1: Yeah. That's all. So it's, I mean, I hate to

2156
01:44:06,590 --> 01:44:08,760
Speaker 1: talk about stuff like this. I will say this. I

2157
01:44:09,660 --> 01:44:12,640
Speaker 1: am an, you, you be exactly the way you want

2158
01:44:12,660 --> 01:44:14,670
Speaker 1: to be. Just feel good.

2159
01:44:14,750 --> 01:44:14,970
Speaker 2: Right.

2160
01:44:15,350 --> 01:44:17,250
Speaker 1: I'm talking about this right now because I don't.

2161
01:44:17,370 --> 01:44:17,550
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2162
01:44:18,540 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 4: Not, not, not, it's not about you're at the wrong size. It's,

2163
01:44:22,200 --> 01:44:23,830
Speaker 4: I don't feel good in my body right now.

2164
01:44:23,880 --> 01:44:28,600
Speaker 3: Interior, being uncomfortable and being uncomfortable makes me mad at

2165
01:44:28,640 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 3: myself and that I'm mean to myself. So like the

2166
01:44:31,380 --> 01:44:34,120
Speaker 3: idea that I'm listening to a thing that's going, yeah,

2167
01:44:34,140 --> 01:44:36,280
Speaker 3: the whole, it's not figure out a new way to

2168
01:44:36,300 --> 01:44:39,310
Speaker 3: be mean, you're mean to yourself. It's going, no, stop

2169
01:44:39,450 --> 01:44:43,530
Speaker 3: all clear all the meanness out and start over. And

2170
01:44:43,610 --> 01:44:44,470
Speaker 3: here's how you do it.

2171
01:44:45,250 --> 01:44:46,150
Speaker 1: What's it called again, the book?

2172
01:44:46,390 --> 01:44:49,100
Speaker 3: The Diet Fix by Yoni Friedhoff.

2173
01:44:49,979 --> 01:44:50,500
Speaker 1: I love it.

2174
01:44:51,320 --> 01:44:53,080
Speaker 3: And the only reason I knew about it is because

2175
01:44:53,280 --> 01:44:57,600
Speaker 3: Heather and her Half Size Me podcast were just a

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Speaker 3: delight to listen to. It's like two ladies laughing about

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01:45:01,050 --> 01:45:02,450
Speaker 3: the way it's been and then the way.

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Speaker 2: It is now.

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Speaker 1: I want to listen. I love it. It's very cool.

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01:45:04,370 --> 01:45:10,200
Speaker 1: That's awesome. But also do what you want. Well, that

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01:45:10,240 --> 01:45:11,240
Speaker 1: was fucking hooray.

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01:45:15,410 --> 01:45:19,060
Speaker 2: Okay, we're back. And this is the first time that

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01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:21,260
Speaker 2: fucking hooray is used, which is.

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01:45:22,140 --> 01:45:22,900
Speaker 1: This is the show.

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01:45:23,100 --> 01:45:24,540
Speaker 2: Exciting. It became huge.

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01:45:24,740 --> 01:45:28,360
Speaker 1: The birthplace. I mean, it was so needed. Yeah, it

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01:45:28,400 --> 01:45:28,860
Speaker 1: was perfect.

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01:45:29,060 --> 01:45:31,320
Speaker 2: Also, Tiny Beautiful Things, the book I was reading, was

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01:45:31,380 --> 01:45:35,450
Speaker 2: adapted into a Hulu limited series starring the great Katherine Hahn,

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01:45:35,770 --> 01:45:38,849
Speaker 2: which premiered in April of 2023.

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01:45:38,850 --> 01:45:40,390
Speaker 1: I love Katherine Hahn so much.

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01:45:40,530 --> 01:45:40,850
Speaker 3: I know.

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01:45:40,870 --> 01:45:42,009
Speaker 1: She's so delightful.

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01:45:42,110 --> 01:45:45,530
Speaker 3: Every time I see her, the things she's wearing... Makes

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01:45:45,610 --> 01:45:48,210
Speaker 3: me crazy with jealousy. And the way her hair looks

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01:45:48,410 --> 01:45:49,830
Speaker 3: makes me crazy with jealousy.

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01:45:49,970 --> 01:45:50,729
Speaker 2: She's a cool girl.

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01:45:50,750 --> 01:45:55,110
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so cool. But it's like her look is it.

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01:45:55,390 --> 01:45:55,670
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:45:55,850 --> 01:45:57,840
Speaker 3: When I do that, it just looks like I let

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01:45:57,880 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 3: my hair air dry and I didn't put any product

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01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 3: in it.

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01:46:01,280 --> 01:46:02,320
Speaker 1: So irritating. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We love you, Katherine Hahn.

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01:46:04,040 --> 01:46:07,700
Speaker 1: We love you, Katherine Hahn. So originally, we titled this

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01:46:07,760 --> 01:46:10,660
Speaker 1: episode Civic Order. Not one of our best.

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01:46:11,020 --> 01:46:11,150
Speaker 2: No.

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01:46:11,160 --> 01:46:11,220
Speaker 3: No.

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01:46:11,820 --> 01:46:14,060
Speaker 1: Not very funny. But if we were naming it today,

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01:46:14,220 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: maybe we could call it.

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01:46:15,580 --> 01:46:19,000
Speaker 2: The Numbing Shit, for sure. Although we don't use curse

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01:46:19,060 --> 01:46:21,660
Speaker 2: words a lot in our titles, do we?

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01:46:21,720 --> 01:46:24,559
Speaker 1: Not in a title, no. Don't Yawn See What Strangers

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01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:27,920
Speaker 1: is hilarious. So, really good advice.

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01:46:28,240 --> 01:46:31,099
Speaker 2: We talked about Frank. Frank Salarno, of course.

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01:46:31,580 --> 01:46:33,439
Speaker 1: And, of course, Rejuvenation Station.

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01:46:33,560 --> 01:46:33,929
Speaker 2: That's the one.

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01:46:33,939 --> 01:46:39,929
Speaker 1: Which is a listener-submitted segment. Yeah. That needs to be celebrated.

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01:46:40,189 --> 01:46:44,150
Speaker 1: That needs its own spinoff podcast. All right. Well, that's

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01:46:44,290 --> 01:46:46,150
Speaker 1: this week's episode of The Rewind.

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01:46:46,229 --> 01:46:52,549
Speaker 2: Let's go say goodbye from 2018. Thanks, Sarah.

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Speaker 1: Right?

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01:46:53,189 --> 01:46:55,230
Speaker 3: Now I really feel like saying fucking hooray.

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01:46:55,250 --> 01:46:59,889
Speaker 1: Fucking hooray. Yeah. Cool. Thanks for listening, you guys. You know,

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01:46:59,970 --> 01:47:02,790
Speaker 1: you're the best. We love you. We love you. And

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01:47:02,810 --> 01:47:06,370
Speaker 1: stay sexy. And don't get murdered. Bye. Elvis, you want

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01:47:06,390 --> 01:47:06,710
Speaker 1: a cookie?

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01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:12,139
Speaker 3: That sounded like a gold door opening.

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01:47:12,600 --> 01:47:13,900
Speaker 1: Hey, are you okay?

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01:47:15,150 --> 01:47:15,590
Speaker 4: Oh, okay.

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01:47:15,830 --> 01:47:18,450
Speaker 3: Okay, fine. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Here we go.