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We 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.320 also talk about the big buck that that I killed 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.919 it there just a few days ago. So you're gonna 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:29.880 enjoy this podcast with with a true Canadian character and 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.720 in my mind the legend Tom Ainsworth. A lot of 0:02:34.720 --> 0:02:37.400 people may be listening to this podcast and they have 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.800 dreamed of doing a Canadian whitetail hunt. I want to 0:02:41.840 --> 0:02:45.480 say that this hunt with Tom grand View is a 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:50.639 lot more financially doable than you probably think. Whatever number 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.840 that you're thinking in your mind for what one of 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.160 these hunts should cost. This hunt is a lot less 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.640 And let me tell you I told Chris with Tom. 0:03:00.800 --> 0:03:04.160 Finding Tom has been like finding a bird nest on 0:03:04.200 --> 0:03:06.760 the ground. This is a great hunt. I've been up 0:03:06.800 --> 0:03:12.640 there three years and taking three exceptional deer. So check 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:17.840 out check out grand View Outfitters and go to their website, 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.560 find a contact information. At least called Tom and talked 0:03:21.560 --> 0:03:29.000 to him. Today's November seven, and we're in Manitoba, Canada, 0:03:29.840 --> 0:03:33.359 north of grand View, and it has been ice cold 0:03:33.760 --> 0:03:37.040 for a couple of boys from Arkansas. Has it been cold? 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:41.880 It's cool for us, cold for you? Sure? Yeah. It's 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:45.280 been uh low temperatures this week so far. I've been 0:03:46.360 --> 0:03:49.600 like two degrees or three degrees as a little seventeen 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:53.720 our degrees, yeah, seventeen for our Canadian listeners. Our US 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:58.600 listeners have no idea what seventeen degrees celsius is. But uh, 0:03:58.920 --> 0:04:00.680 I think the high temperature we've had all week that 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:05.040 has been like twenty degrees. That's really the the way 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.720 to tell how cold it is. But I've got Tom 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.600 Ainsworth with me. Tom. I've known Tom for several years now. 0:04:11.640 --> 0:04:13.560 This is my third year coming up here in whitetail 0:04:13.600 --> 0:04:16.440 hunt with you. And then I've got my longtime buddy, 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:20.360 Chris Roberts. Chriss. Chris and I have known each other 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:23.400 since grade school and so he and I have been 0:04:23.480 --> 0:04:29.560 up here hunting. Um, Tom, tell me about the big 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:33.480 buck on the wall over here, tell me tell me 0:04:34.040 --> 0:04:37.400 you kind of gave me the extended version. But uh, 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:39.840 hanging on Tom's walls as a deal. I'm not gonna 0:04:39.839 --> 0:04:42.720 tell how big the deer was, but just like what 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.640 frame of mind you're in, and I kind of want 0:04:45.640 --> 0:04:48.320 to paint a picture for people of how Canadian whitetail 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.240 hunting was in the in the eighties. I assume that was, 0:04:53.600 --> 0:04:57.039 So tell me the story of that, dear. There were 0:04:57.080 --> 0:04:59.719 some big deer around. We're finding some real big sheds, 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:03.400 and uh I knew a place where they were, where 0:05:03.400 --> 0:05:06.040 nobody hunts, and it's about a mile and a half 0:05:06.080 --> 0:05:09.359 from where I live right now, and uh so I 0:05:09.400 --> 0:05:11.000 went over there to see if I could get one. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:15.480 Uh my gun in them days, I ran a fifty 0:05:16.400 --> 0:05:19.520 and my wife bought it for me in about nineteen 0:05:19.640 --> 0:05:23.719 seventy two. And anyways, uh it was a good gun. 0:05:23.800 --> 0:05:26.200 You could you know, you could break an egg with 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:28.640 it or make bullets touch at a hundred yards quite easy. 0:05:28.760 --> 0:05:30.480 But anyways, I went over there looking for a big 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:35.280 deer and there's about eight of them come out of 0:05:35.279 --> 0:05:37.359 off of a fence line, out of a big bush, 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:40.520 off of a fence line, into a field of stubble 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.760 in the fall time. What were they coming into? Wheat stubble, 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:47.360 stubble just like yours today? Yeah, just like where is 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:51.000 that wheat stubble grow? Is it wheat? That's growing wheat 0:05:51.040 --> 0:05:54.839 for flour? And actually that where you shot yours today 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.120 was half a mile from where I shot that one. Yes, 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.560 just across the road from where you shot it. So anyways, Uh, 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:04.920 I went out there and there's a bunch of there's 0:06:04.960 --> 0:06:06.839 some dos and calves, and I mean, we didn't have 0:06:06.960 --> 0:06:10.760 numbers like you're seeing nowadays. We maybe would have four 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.799 or five animals, and the numbers were down, I guess. 0:06:14.400 --> 0:06:18.560 But anyways, Uh, I was looking for a big deer. Uh, 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.719 this buck come across. I was sitting in the fence line, 0:06:21.839 --> 0:06:24.960 just in some little rose bushes. We'd call it down 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:28.560 wind eighty yards down. This buck come across a little 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:34.039 field with his head down, and uh, he didn't look 0:06:34.080 --> 0:06:37.520 that big, and uh, because his head was down to 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:42.360 the starting the snow. And anybody knows that when a 0:06:42.440 --> 0:06:45.359 deer runs the horns and not go all up in 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.360 the air, and he actually looks bigger than he is, 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:50.480 I would say, but when their heads down and it's sewing, 0:06:51.160 --> 0:06:54.040 it was good. But I thought it was small. So 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:56.440 I watched it for twenty minutes, and it was eighty 0:06:56.520 --> 0:07:00.960 yards away, just fading. Yep. What time of year was it? Uh, 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:02.520 there was snow on the ground, so it would be 0:07:02.520 --> 0:07:07.120 a little later than this, you know, I mean, let's 0:07:04.320 --> 0:07:09.960 just he was just he was traveling with him animals, 0:07:10.960 --> 0:07:14.760 and so I looked at it for twenty minutes and thought, well, 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:17.960 you know, it's the best one out here tonight. So 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:19.560 I shot it. And then when I went over there, 0:07:19.560 --> 0:07:23.000 I realized that the horns were two ft off the ground, 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.920 and so that made quite a difference, and it was 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:33.040 a good deal. It was two inches and the thing 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:38.440 was our dog, where you guys are staying our dog there. 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:43.160 He brought shed horns into the yard that were pretty 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.440 well in exact match for that. He brought one into 0:07:46.480 --> 0:07:48.200 the yard and I walked out to the field beside 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:50.400 the house there and the other one was there. But 0:07:50.560 --> 0:07:53.200 we had some real big bucks in our day in 0:07:53.200 --> 0:07:58.320 this country. They're they're good quality, deary heavy beam, very heavy. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.440 I would say Double Bros. From Triple Bros. Yeah, Chris 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:06.680 described that dear just like, how would you describe that 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.160 dear massive? I mean, it's it kind of takes your 0:08:10.160 --> 0:08:14.680 breath away when you see it. Um, I mean I 0:08:14.680 --> 0:08:18.080 would have super mass, Yeah, super mass. I mean we 0:08:18.160 --> 0:08:19.520 just I don't want to give I don't know what 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:20.920 you want to give away. I mean it's kind of 0:08:20.920 --> 0:08:24.520 hard to of what happened today. So I mean because 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.200 that I've got that buck on my mind, so it's 0:08:27.280 --> 0:08:29.360 kind of hard to think I should have went and 0:08:29.400 --> 0:08:31.720 looked at it before. But it's got I mean, it's 0:08:31.760 --> 0:08:34.520 a very beautiful deer. I mean it's a very double 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:39.319 drop I really I can't think of but there's probably 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:43.680 in the inside maybe Yeah, it's it's it's it's got 0:08:43.760 --> 0:08:47.680 double double drop times. It's a main frame tin with 0:08:48.280 --> 0:08:52.600 as big a mass as you'll see and several kickers 0:08:52.640 --> 0:08:54.360 on it. Right, So we went and looked at it 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.160 with you. It's a very majestic type. I mean it's 0:08:57.320 --> 0:09:00.840 it's just very Yeah, it's a beast. So the cool 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:02.400 part of that story is you didn't think it was 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:06.800 very big. It probably was on a two hundred and 0:09:06.840 --> 0:09:10.080 seventy pound frame or or three hundred. I think the 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:12.760 cool part is is he watched it for twenty minutes 0:09:13.600 --> 0:09:16.040 and then I shot it with a fifty which is 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:18.599 which is a varmit gun. How do I mean it 0:09:18.600 --> 0:09:21.559 would drive attack? There was nothing to it, and in 0:09:21.720 --> 0:09:24.360 them days, that's all I had. Yeah, it wasn't you 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:28.000 just dropped. No, he made a little tight circle there 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:31.280 for us yards and that was it. Your lung. Shoot him, 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:34.640 we'll see. I think that story tells the story of 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:38.720 Canadian white tail hunting pretty good because in the eighties, 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:42.760 in the early eighties, Chris nobody knew about Canadian white 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:45.320 tail hunting except the Canadians in the in the in 0:09:45.360 --> 0:09:49.360 the hype of whitetail hunting and the frenzy that was 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.480 going on in the States had really yet to spread 0:09:52.559 --> 0:09:56.240 up here, and so like, there wasn't that much value 0:09:56.280 --> 0:09:58.040 put on that animal. I mean, you were just like, Hey, 0:09:58.080 --> 0:09:59.800 this is a good buck, gonna have a lot of 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.360 meat for my family. And you were just getting started 0:10:02.520 --> 0:10:05.560 white tail outfitting and so, I mean, you knew that 0:10:05.600 --> 0:10:08.720 this was an incredible animal. But but you know, but 0:10:08.920 --> 0:10:13.520 my first hunters that come in here forty five years ago, Uh, 0:10:13.800 --> 0:10:16.640 they just come in here and shoot a large animal. 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:19.480 I mean it wasn't you know. They're coming from Texas 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:23.040 at that time, and they you know, the zero we're 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:26.600 big up here and massive deer, like we have mass 0:10:26.720 --> 0:10:30.120 and that and we and right now the mass is 0:10:30.200 --> 0:10:32.600 coming back because there's been so many years since, you know, 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:35.199 the hard winters and that, and it's just like you're 0:10:35.200 --> 0:10:38.160 seeing today. We're seeing a lot of good quality deer 0:10:38.200 --> 0:10:40.600 here now. And next year is going to be better 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:43.400 as far as I'm concerned. It's just gonna be bigger 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:47.319 deer and better. And it's you know, we've seen a 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.480 lot of good quality bucks around. Yeah. Well so kind 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:55.360 of the story of Manitoba. It was that in the 0:10:55.400 --> 0:11:00.400 eighties and nineties up there, the mid early two dousands, 0:11:00.880 --> 0:11:04.160 I mean, the white tail hunting would have been just incredible, 0:11:04.480 --> 0:11:07.000 and then you had a tough stretch where the population 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:11.559 went down, but now it's coming back. It took time. Yeah, 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.640 they've got to grow up. And you told me something 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:19.680 last year that since the kind of the hype and 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:23.320 white tail craze from America came here, now you have 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.680 more resident Canadian hunters. Is that? Is that correct? You 0:11:26.679 --> 0:11:28.120 don't have a lot. I'm not saying you have the 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:30.480 pressure that we have, but there's more guys that are 0:11:30.520 --> 0:11:32.920 interested in it. People know what they've got when they 0:11:32.920 --> 0:11:36.520 see a huge And the thing is now everybody is 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.200 getting to word. They know what a one seventy buck is. 0:11:39.520 --> 0:11:41.000 You know, they just look at it. Do you know 0:11:41.080 --> 0:11:43.000 it's got to be so white. You know, you've gotta 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.040 have ten inch tanks. You know, it's got to be 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:48.040 a five by five and it just seems to be 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.600 everybody knows that. It's I hate to say it, it's 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:55.840 not like bear hunting. Yeah, you know, it's it's people 0:11:55.880 --> 0:11:58.280 look at it and they can figure it out. Yeah, 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.520 and so it makes a big difference. Yeah, and uh, 0:12:01.720 --> 0:12:03.920 you know, we're lucky the big buck was shot in 0:12:03.920 --> 0:12:07.640 Saskatchewan as far as I'm concerned, because if it would 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.280 have came here, it might have ruined our industry. And 0:12:10.320 --> 0:12:13.600 we're just do you know what he means by that? 0:12:14.240 --> 0:12:18.400 Saskatchewan it's the world record in ninety four came from 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.240 Saskatchewan and which is sixty miles from here. It's not 0:12:21.240 --> 0:12:23.680 even sixty miles from here. And I'm glad it was 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:28.440 there because everybody went there, and it's just like a 0:12:28.480 --> 0:12:30.840 lot of places they're paying, you know, you're paying I 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:34.040 don't know nowadays, but don't matter five or seven thousand dollars. 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.200 It's kind of was the going right long time ago. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.880 So you know, I'm glad it went there personally, because 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:42.400 if it would have come in here, you would have, 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.600 you know, a red hat and every tree. Well it's 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:49.480 like this, and we didn't hear another gun shot. Yeah, yeah, 0:12:49.679 --> 0:12:52.320 it's like, here are our hunters so far, haven't seen 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:58.160 another hunter, haven't heard a gun shot, and yet we're 0:12:58.200 --> 0:13:01.080 seeing quite a few bucks and good numbers of deer 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:04.199 in that. And uh, that's where I would go hunting, 0:13:04.200 --> 0:13:06.480 and that's where I you know, you've got to do 0:13:06.720 --> 0:13:09.080 treat people and stuff the way you'd like to be treated. 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:10.920 And I think that's just what a person wants when 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:14.160 you go somewhere and stuff. You know, you're in the law, 0:13:14.440 --> 0:13:18.680 you know, the last wilderness. Yeah, yeah, describe to me. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:22.120 I think a lot of people that have not hunted 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:25.920 Canada kind of kind of like Texas has its own 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.120 white tail culture. You know, if you go to Texas, 0:13:29.160 --> 0:13:32.000 you're gonna be hunting these mesquite flats over a deer 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.480 feeder or sindaro's that have been spread with corn. You're 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.199 gonna see a bunch of small bodied deer with huge racks. 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:41.480 Like there's a hunting culture in Texas. There's the same 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:47.680 thing in Canada, except very vastly different, completely different. Let's 0:13:47.720 --> 0:13:52.640 describe for people what Canadian white too uns, because I 0:13:52.640 --> 0:13:56.040 think there's a misconception that I had, which was that 0:13:56.280 --> 0:14:01.640 Canadian white tail hunting is negative ten degrees all the time. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:04.719 Now it's been cold here, snow on the ground all 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:07.480 the time, which we've not. We've had it with just 0:14:07.520 --> 0:14:11.200 a skiff of snow on the ground all day. Sits 0:14:11.240 --> 0:14:14.760 I mean, kind of it's kind of a grueling picture sometimes, 0:14:15.440 --> 0:14:18.400 but that's not necessarily what I'm saying. You can make 0:14:18.400 --> 0:14:20.000 it that if you wanted to, and if you came 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.320 in late November, yeah, you're gonna be hunting in snow 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:27.200 and cold. But describe like just a typical hunt, how 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:30.720 you would just do normal hunters. Well, a typical hunt 0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:33.560 for me is First of all, we try to accommodate 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:38.880 our clients. So by doing that, Uh, we have huts, 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.680 heated huts. I'm a tall person myself, so we have them. 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:45.920 Also the you know, a six ft man or I'm 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:47.960 over that can walk through the door, standing up in 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.760 our huts, throw up off the ground. They can be 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.240 heated in uh, muscle older season for no, I mean 0:14:54.280 --> 0:14:56.480 you could have it raining and stuff like that. Guy's 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.720 really on lots of yours. Well, you're at least you 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:02.400 can at your day in hunting, you know what I mean. 0:15:02.560 --> 0:15:04.840 You don't have to get wet, you can you're being 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.840 comfortable and you can hunt. And the more hours you 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:11.080 can put into the stand for an outfitter, as far 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.920 as I'm concerned, Uh, the more success rates you're gonna have. 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.000 And it was just like today, we kind of had 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.240 the idea, were coming in at ten o'clock this morning, 0:15:20.640 --> 0:15:22.600 but you had the idea, Clay, I'm gonna stay out 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:24.880 till noon. And by staying out till noon, we hit 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:29.120 that old you know time next time from ten to two. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.760 And just because of the time of year when ruts 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:34.720 on and starting and all that. Hey, you've seen a 0:15:34.760 --> 0:15:37.360 lot of bucks. You shot a beautiful buck at eleven 0:15:37.360 --> 0:15:41.000 o'clock in the morning and most people are either having 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:45.360 lunch or having a nap or stuff like that. But 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:47.240 it's about choice, you know. How much you want to 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.560 put in is how much you get back. But you know, 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.840 up here the weather can be real cold. You know, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.760 are quite cold, and uh, we've had it in when 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.440 I started, not we had a guy that come from 0:16:00.480 --> 0:16:02.760 Texas up here and in dear season. He was sitting 0:16:02.760 --> 0:16:06.600 back here in the park with a white T shirt on. Wow, 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:09.280 and the bull elk walked up behind him and bugled, 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:12.520 you know, and it just shows you, Uh, it's weather 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.160 and we can't predict it. Yeah, you just you know, 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:20.360 I like the cold coming from Arkansas. To me, if 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:22.920 if I came up here and we were comfortable, Chris, 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:25.320 it wouldn't have been a hunt. I mean to me 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:29.760 that every hunt has some element of challenge and testing, 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:33.360 and here it's the cold, you know. So this is 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.360 the fourth day of a sixth day hunt and I did. 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.400 I killed it this morning and we'll go into detail. 0:16:38.560 --> 0:16:41.280 I'll tell the story. And there's no heater or involved 0:16:41.280 --> 0:16:45.080 with you. No heater. So for three days I bow hunted, 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.320 and I was using my my tethered tree saddle hanging 0:16:49.320 --> 0:16:52.000 out of a little poplar about eight inches in diameter, 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:56.560 just taking it in the face with temperatures. I don't 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.240 know how cold it was afternoon hunting, but one day 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:01.480 I got in there about eleven thirty and set tel 0:17:02.200 --> 0:17:04.960 six o'clock and the wind was blowing at you and 0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.440 it was cold. Yeah, it was. It was probably fifteen degrees. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:15.240 With this cold, I was cold in a box blode. Yeah. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.560 I woke up this morning and I looked in the 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.840 mirror and I looked like at age ten years and 0:17:22.040 --> 0:17:24.359 it wears you down. I will say, if you do 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:26.200 come up here and make sure you have the gear. 0:17:26.280 --> 0:17:30.200 If it's yeah, it's easy to bring with you, bring 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:33.440 it with you. It's eat Like anybody phones me, I'll say, hey, 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.400 bring it with you. If you don't need it, don't 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.800 put it on, but bring it close with you. It's 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:41.400 better to have. And and I'll say this about being 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:44.879 up here with with you know, with Tom, it's you know, 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:48.040 it's almost like you're being treated his family. And that 0:17:48.040 --> 0:17:50.720 that's been amazing. That's how that's how I think the 0:17:50.720 --> 0:17:54.359 overfitting business should be. You've got to become family with 0:17:54.400 --> 0:17:57.199 your clients. And know, like me, I never went to 0:17:57.240 --> 0:17:59.960 a shoal. So really what I do is hunt family 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:03.119 least it's called, and that is I have to have 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:06.159 You got to be satisfied, and when you're satisfied, you 0:18:06.240 --> 0:18:10.399 bring your brother or your father or your friend. And 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:13.840 another advantage to that is when you've got good people, 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:20.439 don't look for people because good people breed good people, 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.520 so you don't have to worry about it. If you've 0:18:22.560 --> 0:18:25.720 got a good person, there's a very good chance his 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:29.040 friends and that are just as good as him. So 0:18:29.160 --> 0:18:31.360 it's a way, you know, but I never did went 0:18:31.400 --> 0:18:35.320 to a show, So we have to have satisfied clients 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.120 and you you try to just treat people the way 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:39.960 you would like to be treated in life. It's just 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:44.840 simply and it it's worked for us for forty five years. 0:18:45.640 --> 0:18:49.199 You know, well, let's just be accommodating. It's you can 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:51.400 hunt all day or you you know, you can will 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:54.320 come pick you up and were here and you're not 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:56.920 a number. And that's kind of the way that we've 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:59.480 done it. In in this being my third year, I 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:02.040 kind of to know the farm and know the different 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:05.840 stands and it's it's a blast because you know we're 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:08.560 kind of partnering together. You know, you're asking me what 0:19:08.680 --> 0:19:11.000 I think. I love that, I mean that's what I want. 0:19:11.080 --> 0:19:16.879 I don't but we to give a little like usually 0:19:16.960 --> 0:19:20.880 we're hunting in the mornings, three or four hours, come 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.600 in and have lunch and then get back in the 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:26.080 stands is I mean, if you're taking it serious, you 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:27.800 want to get back in the stand as quick as post. 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:31.240 But there's no pressure to do that. I mean, you know, 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.960 if we had wanted to just hunt the last couple 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:36.960 of hours a daylight, we could have in the we're 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.399 seeing a lot of deer. That that's the other misconception 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:42.680 I think people have about Canada is that you don't 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:45.040 see the deer numbers. At least that's what I thought. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.960 We're seeing a ton of dude. I think different with 0:19:49.040 --> 0:19:52.640 me compared to a lot of outfitters. Is I owned 0:19:52.680 --> 0:19:55.840 my own private land. Yeah, so I've got my own 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.960 six decres along the Duck Mountain Park. I've got access 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:05.280 to other people's land along here, and so I give 0:20:05.320 --> 0:20:08.040 you a different kind of a hunt. If you don't 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.359 have land, and that way you have to hunt bush 0:20:10.440 --> 0:20:12.960 hunt in the mountain and that when you bush hunt 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:17.119 in the mountain. Um, it's good hunting, but it's a 0:20:17.119 --> 0:20:21.120 different style again, you know what I mean. Yeah, it's 0:20:21.160 --> 0:20:24.240 totally forested and you get up there and you might 0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.040 sit all day and you might see one or two 0:20:26.160 --> 0:20:30.639 or three deer, uh stuff like that. But behind my 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.880 place there's about sixty miles of provincial park. There's no road. 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:37.760 The first road is twenty five miles up. There's one 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:41.720 road that goes through it. So it's location. We're gonna 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:43.680 we're gonna have to go back there. You know. I've 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.960 never been back in there to the ducks. Yeah, well, 0:20:46.960 --> 0:20:48.680 one day we're gonna have to go for a drive. Well, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.080 we can go for a drive anytime you want up here, 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.000 because my last guys in they went right through the 0:20:54.119 --> 0:20:56.080 edge and come out and swan river another side and 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:59.359 drove around just to see it. And like in our 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:02.920 mountain here, uh, twenty five miles from here, for example, 0:21:03.040 --> 0:21:06.399 it's a little over twenty eight miles or whatever. But 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:09.919 twenty miles up, we've got great lakes to fishing. Guys. 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:14.240 We've got great trout, you know, and stuff like that. Now, 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:18.000 stranglers are you know, pretty easy to get. So it's 0:21:18.040 --> 0:21:20.879 there's good fishing. You know what people want to if 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.200 they're Tagg don't want to go fishing or something like that, 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.640 you can and stuff like that too. Well, we're down 0:21:26.720 --> 0:21:29.480 here and what you guys call the settlement you call 0:21:29.560 --> 0:21:31.960 the park now, what you're calling park, we would call 0:21:32.280 --> 0:21:36.520 national forests ron lists, Yeah, crown land, national forest. It's 0:21:36.560 --> 0:21:41.320 just public land and uh, and then the settlement down 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:45.840 here is relatively flat, kind of rolling, but Agg country. 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:49.480 I mean we're looking today, where I was sitting, I 0:21:49.520 --> 0:21:53.360 could see half a mile across the wheat field probably 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:55.800 and you could actually see twenty miles to the next 0:21:56.040 --> 0:22:01.560 Riding Mountain National Park. Yeah, it's twenty miles across. Yeah. Yeah, 0:22:01.640 --> 0:22:05.440 and it's yeah, and so it's to me that's really 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:08.800 neat because it's coming from Arkansas eastern deciduous forest. We 0:22:08.880 --> 0:22:11.439 can't see very far in most places we hunt. We 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.480 have you know, cattle pasture in some places. But to me, 0:22:14.560 --> 0:22:18.600 it's really fun to be on these crop fields and uh, 0:22:18.960 --> 0:22:23.159 to just have these big grain fed deer, maybe not 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:26.000 grain fed, but they're eating some beans, but a lot 0:22:26.040 --> 0:22:29.320 of a lot of wheat, a lot of we're just 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:32.320 on the It's just like where we are. When you 0:22:32.440 --> 0:22:35.320 drop off my land here on the south side, you 0:22:35.400 --> 0:22:38.320 hit grain country. Yeah, it's just that simple. So I'm 0:22:38.400 --> 0:22:43.800 right on this edge between the bush and agriculture, and uh, 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.879 the worst of it is nowadays. Well everybody's taking the 0:22:47.920 --> 0:22:50.520 fence lines out and getting rid of the bush and 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:52.960 stuff like that. And it's just like when I come 0:22:53.040 --> 0:22:56.080