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Speaker 1: On this podcast, we're back up again with Tom Ainsworth

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Speaker 1: in Manitoba, Canada, and we talked to Tom about his life,

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Speaker 1: about some of his stories, and it may be even

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Speaker 1: a lot like the podcast recorded with him last year.

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Speaker 1: We may have even told some of the same stories,

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Speaker 1: but I wanted to hear him again from Tom. We

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Speaker 1: also talk about the big buck that that I killed

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Speaker 1: enjoy this podcast with with a true Canadian character and

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Speaker 1: in my mind the legend Tom Ainsworth. A lot of

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Speaker 1: people may be listening to this podcast and they have

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Speaker 1: dreamed of doing a Canadian whitetail hunt. I want to

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Speaker 1: say that this hunt with Tom grand View is a

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Speaker 1: lot more financially doable than you probably think. Whatever number

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Speaker 1: that you're thinking in your mind for what one of

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you I told Chris with Tom.

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Speaker 1: Finding Tom has been like finding a bird nest on

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Speaker 1: the ground. This is a great hunt. I've been up

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Speaker 1: there three years and taking three exceptional deer. So check

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Speaker 1: out check out grand View Outfitters and go to their website,

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Speaker 1: find a contact information. At least called Tom and talked

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Speaker 1: to him. Today's November seven, and we're in Manitoba, Canada,

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Speaker 1: It's cool for us, cold for you? Sure? Yeah. It's

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Speaker 1: This is my third year coming up here in whitetail

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Speaker 1: He brought shed horns into the yard that were pretty

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Speaker 1: it's just very Yeah, it's a beast. So the cool

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Speaker 1: which is a varmit gun. How do I mean it

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Speaker 1: in the early eighties, Chris nobody knew about Canadian white

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Speaker 1: lot of good quality bucks around. Yeah. Well so kind

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Speaker 1: You know, they just look at it. Do you know

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Speaker 1: it's got to be so white. You know, you've gotta

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Speaker 1: Saskatchewan as far as I'm concerned, because if it would

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Speaker 1: you know, Tom, I can I can envision you being

426
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 1: a tall, lanky guy walking down the street in London,

427
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:16,680
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of see as an Englishman. Now

428
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: that now that you say that, um, well, that's that's incredible.

429
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,720
Speaker 1: Before we get to my buck story, which we'll we'll

430
00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 1: talk about that, I got a couple of questions for you.

431
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: What's your favorite dear rifle for hunting up here? So

432
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,760
Speaker 1: we're talking about big bodied white tails, you know, deer

433
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:43,480
Speaker 1: between top end three hundred mature buck to thirty ish

434
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,240
Speaker 1: big animals. Just your favorite, not what you'd tell somebody else.

435
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:49,760
Speaker 1: Just what does Tom ains Worth carry if he's white

436
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:54,200
Speaker 1: tail deer hunting up here? I care? Actually at two seventy, yes,

437
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,040
Speaker 1: I've got quite a few guns, you know, I've got

438
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: three hundred weather Bees and all lot, but uh I

439
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 1: have a two seventy. I think you should carry any

440
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,440
Speaker 1: gun you can shoot well with. You've got to shoot

441
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 1: well with it. Uh At two seventy could be light,

442
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: but I mean also I can take and make two

443
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,919
Speaker 1: shells touch at a hundred yards, two bullets, and uh

444
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: so that's your gun. A choice, That's what I use.

445
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 1: It's just what I started out with, really, you know,

446
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 1: was I got into two seventys. But probably if I

447
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,640
Speaker 1: were to look at it nowadays, I might I might

448
00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: step it up to a probably something like a three

449
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: hundred meg okay, because if you want to, it's how

450
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: good of a shot yard? But I think you should

451
00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: be able to shoot good to three hundred yards. Let

452
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: me tell you in this country, because you guys are

453
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,720
Speaker 1: shooting three hundred yards with a muzzle loader and you're

454
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 1: getting nice bucks and so you know, and the only

455
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 1: problem at two seventis great and they're flat shooting and great,

456
00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,359
Speaker 1: but you're shooting the Jack O'Connor was a hund and

457
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: thirty greens a lead, and I shoot one forty because

458
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,040
Speaker 1: it'll tighten my group up with an inter bond bullet,

459
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: and that's why I do it. But you know, I

460
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 1: appreciate a hundred forty grain inter bond out of your

461
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: testet and you bit and tell me what that bullet

462
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 1: is designed to do. It's designed not to blow up.

463
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: Is it's not like a barn that is a very

464
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,320
Speaker 1: hard shell. It goes right through. It's not a bullet

465
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:26,959
Speaker 1: as soon as it touches something that blows up. Uh,

466
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 1: Expanding at the right time is very important. And the

467
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 1: inter bond will it goes in, it expands and it

468
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:37,440
Speaker 1: puts a good exit on the outside and leaves a

469
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,280
Speaker 1: blood trail and stuff like that. But if you get

470
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,840
Speaker 1: something that hits something hard and blows up, you need

471
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 1: enough penetration. So if you happen to hit a shoulder

472
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 1: blade or something, you know what I mean. Yeah, but

473
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: that's why I would go to like nowadays, I would

474
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 1: go to a bit heavier caliber because I'm using it

475
00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: on deer, but I use it on moose and elk

476
00:26:55,880 --> 00:27:00,919
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. To a yeah, yeah, Okay, what sorry,

477
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,920
Speaker 1: what what would you use for ELK? Well, I use

478
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,119
Speaker 1: I use my two seventy, but right right now, I

479
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: use it depends on the location where you're hunting. If

480
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,240
Speaker 1: it's nice and clothes shots, it's one thing. But if

481
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 1: I figure it's uh gone to get out, like to

482
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,240
Speaker 1: a three or four hundred yards shot, and I want

483
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: knockdown while I take my three, weather be a But

484
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 1: otherwise a seven mag would of all the guns if

485
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: I were to put him up, A thirty ot six

486
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,800
Speaker 1: is probably a great all round gun because it's very

487
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 1: versatile on the monel that you can get. It's a

488
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: poor man's magnum, that's my opinion, but it's good. It's

489
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: very That's what I bought my son. Okay, six, you

490
00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: bet I bought him a thirty at six because I

491
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 1: had the two seventy and I thought we needed to

492
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,680
Speaker 1: step up, so I got him a thirty ot six.

493
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 1: But anything between a thirty out six to yeah, it'd

494
00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: be a it'd be a great gun. Yeah. Okay, okay,

495
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm switching. I'm switching topics a little bit too. Why

496
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,240
Speaker 1: old game cooking? Tom is a He is an expert

497
00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: when it comes to butcher and well, Deb's the cook.

498
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Tom's getting the credit here, but no, Deb's getting the credit.

499
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: But as far as butcher in and Tom, what is

500
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: your go to? If I was asked this question, and

501
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 1: I so, I'm gonna ask you the same question. If

502
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: you had one way to cook white tail deer, how

503
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: would you cook it? If you just had one? Well, my,

504
00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 1: that's not that's a very hard crap. It's not fair,

505
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: he says, because there's two different things. If you'll give

506
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 1: you two, Okay, if I wanted my favorite dish, And

507
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:46,080
Speaker 1: we take backstrap and we call a Kentucky fight batch

508
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,800
Speaker 1: strap and a guy by the name of Mickey Melton

509
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: from Houston, Texas come up here about forty five years ago.

510
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: And uh, the way we do it is we cut

511
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: our backstrap a little over a quarter of an inch

512
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: thick a thick quarter inch. We take and take the

513
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,760
Speaker 1: course side of a meat hammer and patty it out

514
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:12,959
Speaker 1: on both sides. We sprinkle that with lori, season salt,

515
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 1: black pepper, and a bit of garlic. And loss is

516
00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:21,040
Speaker 1: just kind of garlic, our own garlic, oh, just minced garlic. Well,

517
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: we powder our own garlic. We dehydrated dry it and

518
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: our own garlic powder. So you put that on both sides.

519
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: And if you're going to deep fry this, you take

520
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: some oil and you can use anything from Connola oil

521
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 1: to peanut oil or whatever. And you could put a

522
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 1: half inch in a patter, an inch or whatever turns

523
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: your crankcake. And then if you're gonna deep fry something,

524
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,480
Speaker 1: you have to batter it. So you put flour in

525
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: a dish. And then what you're gonna do is take

526
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 1: for every person you might say, you put one egg,

527
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: so if you've got far people, you put four egg

528
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: in there and uh cream or milk or egg no

529
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: aug or something like that. The thicker you want it,

530
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: the thicker the product you use. Now I'm gonna have

531
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: to try that. No, it's good, and uh you bet.

532
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 1: You take your eggs and you whip them with your

533
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: will say cream, and then you double uh you're gonna

534
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: deep fry it, so you double battered. So we take

535
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,959
Speaker 1: the meat and we go into the flour first on

536
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: both sides, back into your we'll say cream or egg

537
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: and milk back into the flour, and then you put

538
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: it in and you just let it come to a

539
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: golden brown, which don't take very long and it's so tender. Uh,

540
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,040
Speaker 1: it's good. It's good. And then just another way of

541
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: doing meat is this is your second favorite. Yeah, if

542
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: I were to do something else, especially depends on how

543
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,959
Speaker 1: tough your media is, okay, But another way of just

544
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: doing it is is to can it like my grandma did.

545
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,160
Speaker 1: And all you did was take court stealers out. You

546
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: take steak or good like a like a court mason jar.

547
00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: You bet court sealers, that's what you're calling. And then

548
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,520
Speaker 1: you just take your we use steak or some good

549
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: quality meat, of course, no fat on it, no sinew

550
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: on it. You cut it into one by two or

551
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 1: whatever squares you take and put it in. You take

552
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: some salt, You take pepper, and a little bit of garlic,

553
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: and I don't mean much, maybe half a teaspoon of each.

554
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: You put it in a dish. And what you do

555
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: is you start take your meat at the bottom and

556
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: touch it and put it in the bottom, and as

557
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: you come up, you touch it and touch it instead

558
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,440
Speaker 1: of pouring it all on top with the top few

559
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: pieces of so salty and that you can't eat, Okay,

560
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: So you're you're seasoning as you're putting little chunks of

561
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: meat in there, and you know what you mean by

562
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: touch it? Yeah, yeah, So put the salt, pepper and

563
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: garlic in. Let's say, on each little piece as you

564
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 1: put it in the jar, what you mean how many? Okay,

565
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: just once in a while, pardon? How many pieces in

566
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: the jar? And then do you do is take a

567
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 1: plastic cup or something to keep pushing it down, pushing

568
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,720
Speaker 1: it down. You add no water, nothing to this, and

569
00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 1: you can put peck to two ways of putting jelly

570
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 1: into a product. One is pecton. You add a little pecton.

571
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: If you want to do it the old style, you'll

572
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 1: take a chicken's foot that's cleaned, you don't really and

573
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,719
Speaker 1: you put it in there and it's natural pectin and

574
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 1: it'll completely gell a court sealer of meat. And then

575
00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 1: all you do is I use turkey friar cooker, put

576
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: water in it, um cooking for three and a half

577
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 1: to four hours, let it cool off. Then you have

578
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,760
Speaker 1: jellied meats, jellied chicken like a jellied ham or something

579
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: you buy, but it's jelly chicken. You can eat it

580
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 1: cold and it's you know when it's tinder, Oh, it's

581
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: it's sure it's canned, and so what do you what

582
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,480
Speaker 1: do you how how would you primarily use that? It

583
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: would kind of be jellied, so it would be like

584
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 1: I kind of have the white ish stuff. It's kind

585
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: of yellow, but it's jellied. And then you can take

586
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: it out and just eat it when it's cool and

587
00:33:04,200 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: it's great. Or if you wanted something quick, you could

588
00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: take that out, put it in a frying pan and

589
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: heat it up, add a little bit of something to it,

590
00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: and so you can just fry it or use in stew,

591
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: use it and stews, use it in lots of things,

592
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: and so it's pre cooked. I'm gonna have to try that,

593
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: but I do. You're gonna use the chicken foot. But

594
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: see that's tradition. Before you add pecked in and stuff.

595
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: You have to work with what you got. And that's

596
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: one thing that it will do. Because if anybody's ever

597
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: can chicken, you'll find out you don't need to put

598
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: pecked in or nothing in it because it's natural in

599
00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: the bones. Huh yeah, Okay, that's good. And you really

600
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,040
Speaker 1: like to You like to grind your meat too, like

601
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: you got you get a lot of ground ground meats.

602
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: You butcher your own elk, kill elk on this property,

603
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 1: but your own alk, but your own deer. Yeah yeah.

604
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: Do you kill moose on this property? Not now, but

605
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: we used to do, used to bull moose and that

606
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: was standing my gateway. But no, the populations don't. But

607
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: other ways we'd see moose right out of our yard

608
00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 1: all the time. You know, we see and l can

609
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,880
Speaker 1: hear you see elk. We still see r elk. Yeah yeah. Okay,

610
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 1: another change of topic. I'm trying to I'm trying to

611
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: like categorize all these things I've learned from hanging around

612
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:30,200
Speaker 1: with Tom. Okay, let's talk about your trick for cleaning

613
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 1: dear skull. Yeah. So so last year, uh well, twice

614
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 1: I have taken a close, a complete skull out of Manitoba.

615
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: And because of the c w D area, you can't

616
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: take brain matter with you. It's got to be a

617
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: clean skull. And so what do we do. We we

618
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 1: get because we kill these deer and we gotta leave

619
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 1: pretty quick, so you don't have a lot of time.

620
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: We want to take the whole skull. And there's I

621
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,760
Speaker 1: should say one thing before we give you the answer.

622
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: Here in some areas you can't you can't take your

623
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: you can't take your skullar. You gotta clean, you know.

624
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:15,479
Speaker 1: But on the west side of three sure our road,

625
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: we don't have to take no samples off. Yeah there's

626
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 1: no Yeah, there's no cdbuts But what I did I

627
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 1: learned from one of my clients, was all you do

628
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: is there's a hole on the back of the skull,

629
00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: and we run our air compressors up to about a

630
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:36,439
Speaker 1: twenty pounds pressure, and uh, you can take a screw

631
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: driver in there and work it a little bit, or

632
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:41,080
Speaker 1: you probably don't have to. You just insert a little

633
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: copper hose in there and pull the trigger once and

634
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,720
Speaker 1: the heads clean. You didn't see it, is Chris, okay,

635
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: So what you do. What you do is you you

636
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:54,640
Speaker 1: get a bucket. What we did, We get a bucket

637
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: and you kind of tilt the antlers back so that

638
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: the whole the hall on the back of the skull,

639
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: where the final column connects to the skull, you tilt

640
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: tilt that down into the bucket. And then Tom's got

641
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: his air compressor going, and he's got a little custom

642
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: fitting that has a little copper Probably the brains out

643
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: of mind, I was thinking, where's their compressor. Well we

644
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: cut we cut yours to make like a flat European mount.

645
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,760
Speaker 1: But so he's got this little quarter inch copper tube

646
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: that he just bent up to make a little curl

647
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 1: at the end. Well, you hold those horns, boy, you

648
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: better make sure the hole's pointing down, and you just

649
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:38,560
Speaker 1: hook that. You put the little copper hook up into

650
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,760
Speaker 1: the hole. Probably an inch and a half two inches, Okay,

651
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,359
Speaker 1: you maybe even go all the way to the back

652
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: if you're hooks long enough, and just like that one

653
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: and that inside of that brain cavity, you could eat

654
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,839
Speaker 1: Chinese food off of it as your fingers down into

655
00:36:59,880 --> 00:37:02,479
Speaker 1: the bucket. I mean it. The only way it goes

656
00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 1: is out of that hole, because that's the only place.

657
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: And if you're if you're standing behind it, you so

658
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: if you if you were, you know, wherever you pointed

659
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:12,399
Speaker 1: that hole, that brain is going that way. You've got

660
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: brain matter on it. Yeah, So anyway pointed down the bucket.

661
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: Done deal. It's it's the simplest way. And it works

662
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: on beer skulls too, you see. Yeah, we used it

663
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 1: on bear skulls and stuff because it's becomes it's pretty

664
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: hard to get that out there clean and so it's

665
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,680
Speaker 1: so easy to just do this and you just like that.

666
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: I learned that quite a few years ago when I've

667
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: told a few people, but not too many. It works great,

668
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: but it does work. It really does work. Great. Um okay, man,

669
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: I keep I'm I'm bouncing around, Tom what okay, before

670
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: we get into my the story of my dear tips

671
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: for what do you tell people about judging white tails?

672
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:00,520
Speaker 1: I'm I'm bouncing here? What what? Why do you tell

673
00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: somebody that comes up here for judging white towns? Because

674
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 1: I have I've been up here three years and brought

675
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 1: three different groups of people with me, and in every

676
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: year there's been kind of a judging mishap if you

677
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: could call it that, or just a surprise, not a mishap,

678
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 1: but a surprise. Well, it depends on where you come

679
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: from to eight. Yeah, and the reason being is like myself,

680
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:27,120
Speaker 1: I went to Mexico and hunted, and all the deer

681
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: looks so big. But what I didn't realize a mature

682
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,319
Speaker 1: bucktown there was about ninety pounds. So when you throw

683
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: a one head, which I got, you put that on

684
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 1: a ninety pounder. I was shocked. But then when I

685
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 1: went over and just picked him up and set him

686
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 1: on the back of the bike. I realized how it was.

687
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: So that's why my first clients came from Texas. And

688
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: you've got to realize that mature bucks up here, away

689
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 1: from what I'm being honestly, from two and fifty pounds

690
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: to two seventy is a great buck, but you do

691
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: get three hundred. So what happens is it's so hard

692
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: to judge ahead on two seventy pound buck to you know,

693
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: compared to something that if you you come from an

694
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: area with a hundred pound bucks or even hundred and fifty,

695
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:24,520
Speaker 1: it throws you off that ratio. But you know, for

696
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: judging deer, as far as I'm in certain, it's got

697
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 1: to be it don't have to be passed his ears

698
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 1: to be a bookhead or a good one around here

699
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 1: because we have mass. You you know, it's nice to get.

700
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,080
Speaker 1: I guess you might say it's you want something with

701
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 1: a twenty inch beam on it. Twenty four is better,

702
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: of course, and you've got to look for ten inch tanks, uh,

703
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: look for long brow tangs and stuff like that. But

704
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: if you get into mass up here, it just depends.

705
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: I'm a person that likes mass I'm not really interested

706
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: in the numbers too much. It couldn't be a three

707
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,160
Speaker 1: by three or a four by four or five by

708
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 1: five or six by six. But if it's got mass,

709
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: that's what I like. And you get hunters. The mass

710
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: means maturity. Yes, you've got mature. Yeah, you've got to

711
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: and you get a real you know, you get it.

712
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: You don't get lots of times, you don't get a

713
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: chance to look at your deer too long. A lot

714
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: of times where I am here, we do have that

715
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 1: advantage where you can look at a deer quite a

716
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: bit to kind of judge your size. It's not like

717
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 1: they're just running into or out of site and you've

718
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 1: got to make a split decision, you know. And our

719
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: deer here they're not quite wild, you know, they're not

720
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: as wild as a lot of places where they here

721
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: a door stop or this. And it's because we don't

722
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: have hunting pressure in my area. Like we've hunted here

723
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: muszloader a while ago. And if you come up here

724
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,240
Speaker 1: in archery season, well you probably will see pretty basically nobody.

725
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: But in muszloader season here we usually don't see another hunter.

726
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: We don't see another red hat. We it's it's very quiet,

727
00:41:04,040 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: and that gives you a big opportunity, uh to get

728
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: something good because you've got no and you can leave here.

729
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 1: We have lots of hunters that leave here in the

730
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:18,600
Speaker 1: last week rightful season or second last week, and to

731
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: leave a buck here that's it could be a one

732
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 1: fifty buck or one six and they will leave it

733
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: here because they know when they come back next year

734
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: it's still here. Yeah. So once you get to be

735
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:38,040
Speaker 1: a mature hunter, it's not all killing. It's if you

736
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 1: want something, you gotta wait till it gets coming you.

737
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: You know, you're managing it or trying to manage it

738
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 1: in So that's why it's like where we are, it's

739
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: a great area to hunt. I think it is. Yeah,

740
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: you know, I think that the thing that I would

741
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: tell people, and Chris, we're gonna talk about your whole

742
00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: story and a different podcast or driving home, so I

743
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,640
Speaker 1: don't want to get into your deal. But the real

744
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:06,919
Speaker 1: issue is for a hunter to be able to determine

745
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: the body size of a mature buck up here, because

746
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: like this morning, maybe it would be a good segue

747
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: into my story. This morning, I saw a ten point

748
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: buck that for his body size his antlers looked good,

749
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: like if you would have and it was a two

750
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 1: year I believe it was a two year old buck.

751
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,839
Speaker 1: If if somebody would have mistaken that two year old

752
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: ten point for a four or five or six year

753
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: old ten point body size, just the way his body looked,

754
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: they would have shot him and thought they were shooting

755
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: a hundred deer. And when I first saw the deer,

756
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:44,600
Speaker 1: I thought, oh boy, and then quickly I was like,

757
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: that's a two year old deer. He was. He was shorter,

758
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,439
Speaker 1: but he was still thick. He still had a big neck.

759
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: His horns went out to his ears. They looked like

760
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: they had a little bit of mass. But when he

761
00:42:56,719 --> 00:42:59,560
Speaker 1: turned his head, his main beams didn't come out to

762
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 1: the end of his nose. His main beams went out

763
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: to about halfway between his eye and his nose. And

764
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:06,960
Speaker 1: then when he turned and looked, his horns were inside

765
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: of his ears. And then as times I could tell

766
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: were about five inches long. And you know, I got

767
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: the idea that this is a He was fourteen inches wide,

768
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 1: had five inch times, and probably had three and a

769
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 1: half to four inches of math. You know, probably not

770
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: even a hundred and twenty dear but I think a

771
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: guy could shoot that deer thinking that he was shooting

772
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,440
Speaker 1: a big one up here, because uh, I think we

773
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 1: kind of uh get psyched out a little bit um

774
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: with these deer because their bodies are so big, especially

775
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: coming from a place where a good buck is a

776
00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 1: hundred fifty sixty pounds, where these bucks are a hundred

777
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 1: pounds more than what we're used to Shooting a big

778
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: rack doesn't always look so impressive on such a big deer.

779
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 1: For instance, this morning, and maybe this is where I

780
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 1: can start and telling my story, I went to a

781
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:03,359
Speaker 1: stand this morning that well, first of all, we've been

782
00:44:03,440 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: hunting a place we called the dugout, which is basically

783
00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: a food plot four acre food plot, and in uh

784
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:15,520
Speaker 1: fall Rye and uh two days ago I was hunting

785
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: in there with a tree saddle in my bow, and

786
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: I the last two years and I don't know what

787
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do if I come back, but the last

788
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: two years I've bow hunted for a couple of days

789
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,480
Speaker 1: and then switched to the muzzleloader when I realized what

790
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: I was up against. Um, and I was bow hunting

791
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,640
Speaker 1: and I had a very nice ten point come in

792
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: right at dark on the second day, I believe it

793
00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: was a hundred forty point younger deer, but just a dandy,

794
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: and he came into fifty yards and I actually drew

795
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:50,239
Speaker 1: on him, couldn't get him to stop. Was getting dark.

796
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: Didn't shoot hunting in there the next day, the third day,

797
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: for six hours. That was when I got so cold.

798
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 1: This morning I came back and I said, hey, I'm

799
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shoot the muzzloader. And uh, kind of what

800
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 1: I've made this hunt for me to be is, you know,

801
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 1: every hunt I do, I find a way to challenge

802
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: and limit myself, you know. And some some hunts I'm

803
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: using the traditional boat just because it's you know, that's

804
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:19,359
Speaker 1: where I want to find the challenge. Sometimes I'm using

805
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: the compound bowl. Like up here, it's a pretty big

806
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 1: deal to kill a deer with a compound boat. That's

807
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: where I wanted the challenge. Well, midway through the hunt,

808
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: I decided I wanted the challenge to be just taking

809
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 1: a nice deer with whatever method in its muzzloader season.

810
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: So we went to this stand over here that is

811
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,759
Speaker 1: that the could you describe where that stand is? Just

812
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: kind of the terrain features. Uh, it's a it's basically

813
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: a fence line which is a mile long, or a

814
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 1: cut line, Sindaryl and uh, we have I own fos

815
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: on it's three quarters of land on it, and uh,

816
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: it's just set up where you can look down this

817
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,319
Speaker 1: for you know, it's kind of rolling land in there,

818
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 1: you see, but you can look down the fence line

819
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 1: as far as you can shoot four yards, yeah range,

820
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: I think it's four hundred yards you can see down

821
00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:12,680
Speaker 1: with bush on both sides and about a forty yard.

822
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:17,359
Speaker 1: It looks like a pipeline or something. It's probably yeah,

823
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: like you said about that wide. But anyways, and then

824
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: you're on a bush line there and it just set

825
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: up like a t system. It's a funnel system. Everything

826
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:28,359
Speaker 1: comes together at that corner. So we've got to stand there.

827
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: And it worked before, but that's where you got your

828
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:33,280
Speaker 1: big one with a bowl and it just it just works.

829
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 1: And the reason you that sometimes is a wind direction.

830
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:41,360
Speaker 1: If you've got a strong west wind, the deer aren't

831
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: gonna stand outen that wind and take that pressure, so

832
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,680
Speaker 1: they go behind the bush, which is that side the

833
00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: east side, So they go behind the bush or out

834
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: of the wind, just like yourself. You know, you get

835
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 1: out of the wind. Well, that's what they try to

836
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:56,919
Speaker 1: do is get out of the wind, have something to eat.

837
00:46:57,560 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: So that's why they'll come out there. But they come

838
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:02,840
Speaker 1: out are all the time anyways, of course. But I

839
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: mean you're getting into rut. So the you know, if

840
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 1: you've got the girls and boys will come. It's kind yeah.

841
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: So it's a it's a it's a corner in a

842
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,839
Speaker 1: huge wheat field. So in this stand I'm sitting in,

843
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 1: I can see what feels like a half a mile.

844
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: It's a half a half a mile. I'm looking at

845
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: a huge wheat field and it's at the corner of

846
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: two two blocks of just heavy timber and then this

847
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 1: sendero that we're talking about. So so I can look

848
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: to my right and I can see four yards down

849
00:47:37,040 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 1: to Sindario through the bush bushes you know we call it,

850
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 1: we call it woods and call it bush up here.

851
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 1: And then in front of me, I'm looking at a

852
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: huge wheat field. And uh. The thing about to me

853
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 1: that spot is that there's not really concentrated food like

854
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 1: where I was sitting at the dugout. I'm looking at

855
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: the foek or food lot. Deer coming in from all

856
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 1: over to that four acres. I'm looking at this huge

857
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:09,240
Speaker 1: section land. They could they could feed anywhere. And uh

858
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 1: so this morning, Tom, I walked in there before daylight.

859
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: You dropped me off and I walked down the fence line,

860
00:48:16,200 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 1: and first of all, I was so loud walking in there.

861
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: I mean just the just the snow crunch, and you

862
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: you just feel like you're just running everything off, you know.

863
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,480
Speaker 1: And uh walked all the way back in there, and

864
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: then you climb up in the stand and you're making

865
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: all kind of racket, you know. I've got stuff hanging

866
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:38,279
Speaker 1: off of me. I got tripods and this big old

867
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: gun and opening that opened that door, and I mean,

868
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: you just feel like when you get in there that

869
00:48:42,719 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: you've spooked every critter on the planet off. I get

870
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 1: in there, open the windows on that on that blind

871
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 1: and uh, I gotta admit, I don't know what I

872
00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: was thinking. I guess I was just trying to get comfortable.

873
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,479
Speaker 1: But I didn't even put a primer in my gun.

874
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: Uh it was loaded, but it was loaded, but I

875
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:08,200
Speaker 1: didn't even have a four or nine primary in it.

876
00:49:08,560 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 1: And I'm sitting in there and kind of getting my

877
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: just bearings. And it gets daylight and I look out there,

878
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: and I see a doe and two year lens at

879
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: about two h yards that have been feeding this whole time.

880
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:24,839
Speaker 1: I mean, they certainly heard me walk in there and

881
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: didn't care. And so I'm watching them, and it's a

882
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: dough in two year lens and it's getting close to

883
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 1: the rut November seven. But she's clearly not in Estrius

884
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: because she's still got her got her funds with her,

885
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,399
Speaker 1: and so I mean, I'm just kind of like, guy, well,

886
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: it's nice to have a few deer out in front

887
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: of me. I don't know what I did after that,

888
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 1: but I just took my sweet time, didn't even have

889
00:49:47,680 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: the gun loaded, didn't have anything up, and I turned

890
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: back to my left just about the time you could

891
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:57,400
Speaker 1: see good enough to tell what a buck was. And

892
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: a buck had come half a mile across that field

893
00:50:02,840 --> 00:50:05,760
Speaker 1: and was standing forty yards from that dough, just staring

894
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: her down. And I just see a buck, and I

895
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,600
Speaker 1: could tell it. It was a big body there, and

896
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,279
Speaker 1: I just go, Holy smokes, and I knew from the

897
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: direction that came in the way it was acting that

898
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 1: it was a buck. It was still it actually was

899
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: still too dark to see its horns. With the naked eye.

900
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: I threw up my binos and I see a good rack.

901
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: I mean, and I could tell by the shape of

902
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: that deer again going back to you know, I knew

903
00:50:31,640 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: that it was long, it was thick. It was not

904
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 1: a two year old deer. I mean, it wasn't a

905
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:41,799
Speaker 1: world beater, it wasn't a but And finally, and this

906
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 1: deer is just standing like a statue watching these doughs.

907
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:50,359
Speaker 1: And boy, I go to scrambling getting that good I

908
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,480
Speaker 1: had to dig into the pouch to find my four

909
00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: or nine prices. It didn't have a pri Yeah, I

910
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: just I don't know. I guess I was just it

911
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 1: was like a holiday, not hanging in the tree, taking

912
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: the wind in the face, being in that box. I

913
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: guess I just through everything religious and my you know,

914
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:11,879
Speaker 1: held it outside and had my primer and it had

915
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,960
Speaker 1: everything set up, and he's just I guess I just

916
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,719
Speaker 1: thought I was on vacation when I was sitting in

917
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: that in it, I was just like, yeah, I was

918
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: just kicked back. Anyway, I go to scrambling around, find

919
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:26,319
Speaker 1: the primer, get it put in, get everything up, and

920
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 1: it probably takes two minutes, you know, And uh, and

921
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: look at this deer, and you know, we're getting into

922
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: the latter half of the hunt, and you I knew

923
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: your tag was filled, and so I was like, man,

924
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: that's a nice deer. It was eight point but he

925
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 1: but he was narrow, he was not wide. He didn't

926
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,600
Speaker 1: even go past his ears. But he had mass, you know,

927
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: and he didn't have real long times. I knew it

928
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: would have just been kind of an average deer, but

929
00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: a mature deer. And uh, it was one of those

930
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: that you're like, oh done, dude, I take that, dear,

931
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 1: Do I not long drive back to Arkansas with a

932
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 1: tag in your pocket? And uh, I actually drew down

933
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: on it and was going to shoot. I actually started

934
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: to put pressure on the trigger and he turned and

935
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,319
Speaker 1: rather than going into the bush where the does, he

936
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: turned and went back just the way he came, which

937
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:23,440
Speaker 1: was amazing to me that he did that. And when

938
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: he turned to the left, he went in behind some

939
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,279
Speaker 1: brush that was about five ft ten ft from my

940
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: blind and I knew I couldn't shoot through it, and

941
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,160
Speaker 1: so I watched the deer and anyway, I'm kind of

942
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: kicking myself but also kind of glad that I didn't

943
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:44,440
Speaker 1: shoot it. And uh, I didn't you text me? I

944
00:52:44,520 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: texted Tom and I said, I just couldn't get a

945
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 1: shot on a deer, but probably should have, but it

946
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 1: wasn't a great deer anyway. Long story short, while that

947
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,279
Speaker 1: buck is coming to those does I look out on

948
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,479
Speaker 1: the four yards of way and there's another buck coming

949
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 1: across the field. So it's a buck coming and going.

950
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: And it was just a racked buck. I could see

951
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: it four yards that had a rack. I don't think

952
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: it was big speed this story up an hour later,

953
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:16,839
Speaker 1: I see three small bucks come out of the the

954
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:20,880
Speaker 1: cut line and it was a spike, kind of a

955
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: funky horn dear that he he had just like a

956
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: unicorn horn and a regular side, but he was a

957
00:53:27,200 --> 00:53:30,799
Speaker 1: two year old deer thin horn. And then that nice

958
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,280
Speaker 1: two year old tin point that I that I described earlier,

959
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,720
Speaker 1: that you know was probably hundred fifteen inch tin point

960
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: that could have fooled somebody. And those three bucks came

961
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 1: out of the came out in the scenario two hundred

962
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:51,160
Speaker 1: yards and walked within five ft of the blind. They

963
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: just walked right past me. They sparred a little bit

964
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: out there in the sunlight. It was beautiful, well because

965
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 1: I'm not hanging in a tree taking the wind in

966
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: the face. Uh. I was just comfortable in that blind.

967
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: So comfortable you were, I said, let's i'll hunt til ten. Well,

968
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,960
Speaker 1: when it got about nine thirty, I said, I feel good.

969
00:54:15,640 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: I've seen five bucks. And I think I said I'd

970
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: hunt til noon, didn't I say that. I said, I'm

971
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 1: just gonna sit in here until noon, and then we're

972
00:54:23,560 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: gonna go eat lunch quick and go to another spot. Well, um,

973
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: about ten forty five. I believe it was the same

974
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: dough and two year lands that I saw it. Daylight

975
00:54:36,840 --> 00:54:40,719
Speaker 1: popped out again and and they just popped out in

976
00:54:40,760 --> 00:54:43,040
Speaker 1: the same place they went in dough in two year lands,

977
00:54:43,480 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 1: which in the rut that doesn't mean much because it

978
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: means it's a dough that's not been chased. They popped

979
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:53,359
Speaker 1: out and never even looked behind him. Tom, You know

980
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:55,400
Speaker 1: how if a doze being followed by a buck they

981
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:57,840
Speaker 1: stepped on the edge of a field. Boy, their ears

982
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:00,359
Speaker 1: are turning there looking behind them, their nerves of us.

983
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 1: This dough didn't have a care in the world. The

984
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: fawns didn't have a care in the world. So I

985
00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: was hardly even paying attention to him, it was just

986
00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 1: nice to look out and see some deer. And uh,

987
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,680
Speaker 1: but I went ahead and readjusted my gun because my

988
00:55:14,719 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: gun was pointing down the Sindario, because that's where I

989
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: figured i'd see deer. And it's a pretty big chore

990
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:24,360
Speaker 1: to get that big muzzleloader out and turned around. And

991
00:55:24,440 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 1: so it took me a few minutes and I got

992
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: the gun pointed out this way, so it's pointed to

993
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,480
Speaker 1: your left. It's pointed out into the wheat field to

994
00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: my left. It was pointed this way. So all these

995
00:55:35,239 --> 00:55:37,600
Speaker 1: deer came out here in the wheat field where the

996
00:55:37,600 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: deer was No, well, the bucks came out from the sendero,

997
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: calling the sendero. It's not so. All the bucks came

998
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,280
Speaker 1: from the woodpile. Yeah, the woods, the woods. Yeah. Well

999
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:52,920
Speaker 1: I'm looking out in this wheat field at these does

1000
00:55:54,040 --> 00:56:01,680
Speaker 1: and uh, I was distracted, so was shining, feeling good,

1001
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 1: and I just look up after a minute or two

1002
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: of not even looking, and look, in my goodness, the

1003
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 1: sight that every white tail deer hunter dreams of seeing

1004
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:21,480
Speaker 1: in Canada, no doubt, forty yards passed the dough, just

1005
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,440
Speaker 1: outsteps a giant buck. I mean, what to me was

1006
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,799
Speaker 1: a giant buck. He was twice as big as that

1007
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,040
Speaker 1: dough looked to be. I mean a hundred pounds bigger

1008
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 1: than the dough. I mean, out of my peripheral vision,

1009
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: I never even really made contact with the eye contact

1010
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: with the buck before I was grabbing the gun getting read.

1011
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just a no brainer, tall, times wide, heavy,

1012
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:53,760
Speaker 1: big deer, and that that dough never even gave any

1013
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,840
Speaker 1: indication that she even cared he was there, which was

1014
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: odd to me. Usually they, you know, they would have

1015
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 1: looked and so I mean, I'm just like, holy cow, look,

1016
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just a picturesque. That's why you come

1017
00:57:09,080 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: to Canada. Giant deer. Anyway, he's it. I know the

1018
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 1: does are at two hundred yards, so I know he's

1019
00:57:15,120 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 1: about two thirty. I know this gun. I'm using it

1020
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 1: Steve Schultz gun, my father and laws muzzleloader, custom built muzzleloader.

1021
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: I knew it was z Rode at two hundred, so

1022
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 1: you know, I just knew I needed to just put it.

1023
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,000
Speaker 1: I just put it, put it on the front shoulder,

1024
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: and I wasted no time because you told me, Tom,

1025
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,680
Speaker 1: you said, if you've got time to count points, you

1026
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 1: should have been shooting. You like to pet him. That

1027
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: that's what Tom says. He says, I like to pet

1028
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,959
Speaker 1: him and then we can look at the horns. And

1029
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: I just put it on the front shoulders quarter and

1030
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,640
Speaker 1: to me, just a little bit boom, gun went off.

1031
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: We've had some trouble with primers every hunt I've been

1032
00:57:53,320 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: up here, somebody with me has had trouble with muzzloaders

1033
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 1: going off in this cold weather. So I was pleased

1034
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:03,720
Speaker 1: when the gun hard and uh the buck ran, which

1035
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: I was a little bit surprised at because I thought

1036
00:58:07,160 --> 00:58:09,040
Speaker 1: I thought he might drop where I put it. I

1037
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 1: may have been two inches to the right of where

1038
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,560
Speaker 1: I was really wanting to hit him. Hit him just

1039
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:16,480
Speaker 1: a little not back. I mean it hit him right

1040
00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 1: behind the shoulder, but he took a big spin out

1041
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 1: into the field with his legs. He was doing the

1042
00:58:23,520 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 1: chicken leg deal and down, down, down, and bam hit

1043
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: the ground. Within seconds, I was calling you, Tom, I

1044
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: really was, and uh it went to voicemail at first. Anyway,

1045
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 1: we go Chris. Tom goes and picks Chris up who's

1046
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:42,440
Speaker 1: at the bunk house. And that's part of what's so

1047
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:44,760
Speaker 1: fun about this hunt is it's it's deer camp. You

1048
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: got your buddies here, and Chris was waiting at the house.

1049
00:58:48,600 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: He came, anyway, beautiful ten point. We scored the deer today.

1050
00:58:54,240 --> 00:58:57,760
Speaker 1: I scored it one fifty nine and uh well we

1051
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: did it in decimals, so one fifth nine point nine

1052
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: we're calling is a hundred and sixty inches, all right,

1053
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: So hundred and sixty inch on the on the money,

1054
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: ten point had one of the longest time was twelve

1055
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 1: inches long. It was only seventeen inches wide twenty one

1056
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: and a half inch main beams. But on the G

1057
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,439
Speaker 1: three's and G four's on one side, we're both over

1058
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: ten inches or ten inches. Had a kicker coming off

1059
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: one of the points. I mean, just a beautiful buck

1060
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:33,480
Speaker 1: way two thirty pounds, which was the smallest of the

1061
00:59:33,560 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: deer that i've killed here body size. The buck last

1062
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 1: year scored what way two or forty eight pounds, but

1063
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:46,040
Speaker 1: had a rack that would would not have scored in

1064
00:59:46,080 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: here with this one. Said it was just a more

1065
00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: mature buck. Yeah, yeah, this one had great potential when

1066
00:59:53,040 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: you think of it, because it was a younger buck.

1067
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:58,800
Speaker 1: But the potential was there when you're starting ten and

1068
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,840
Speaker 1: twelve inch turns. It had all the potential to be

1069
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:05,400
Speaker 1: uh you know, a bookhead next Sure it would have been.

1070
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:11,280
Speaker 1: It was not close. Yeah, well it kept off an

1071
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:16,040
Speaker 1: incredible four or five days in hunting here really did. Wow.

1072
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: I was not expecting to bring home a hundred and

1073
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: sixty inch deer at all. What do you think of it, Chris?

1074
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:26,120
Speaker 1: It's amazing, I mean it was. We've seen some really

1075
01:00:26,160 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: big deer. Yeah, and that deer is I mean, it's

1076
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,840
Speaker 1: I think that's the biggest deer we've seen. Yeah, yeah,

1077
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:38,320
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah. And that I didn't realize too

1078
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 1: that that I mean until we saw I mean, that

1079
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 1: picture didn't do it justice. The picture, Yeah, no, it

1080
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,160
Speaker 1: didn't know. Yeah, we had one chucking picture. We didn't

1081
01:00:47,160 --> 01:00:49,400
Speaker 1: realize it until after we killed it. But Tom, had

1082
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 1: you set up a camera for one day in a

1083
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: food We got eight a picture of eight bucks, and uh,

1084
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, out of those eight, three

1085
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: to four of them are good ones. Yeah, you know

1086
01:01:01,960 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 1: this kind of quality and better. Yeah. Well yeah, well

1087
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:12,840
Speaker 1: we'll uh we'll have another conversation between Chris and I

1088
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:16,320
Speaker 1: about his hunt um in in this kind of our

1089
01:01:16,520 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: Our synopsis of the week but no in closing comments

1090
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 1: or thoughts Tom what any uh? What's your What's Tom?

1091
01:01:32,200 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 1: Tom is a master at efficiency. Really, anything he does

1092
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:39,280
Speaker 1: is gonna be efficient. So I want to like ask

1093
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 1: him for like a tip about something. But we got that.

1094
01:01:42,520 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: We got the deer, the cooking tip, the skull clan tip. Uh,

1095
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: we got we just got a great lesson and the

1096
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:59,040
Speaker 1: butcher and butcher and deer out here. Uh but don

1097
01:01:59,080 --> 01:02:01,880
Speaker 1: you think of me, think Chris Well, I mean it

1098
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 1: was just interesting as we're looking for a deer. I

1099
01:02:04,280 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: mean it's just you think you were going down the

1100
01:02:06,200 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 1: trail that was a good trail, and you could already

1101
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: see you know, Tom had walked down the trail. I

1102
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,439
Speaker 1: mean I think, yeah, I think part of it. He's

1103
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 1: been here, you know, so long. But also too, he's

1104
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:19,920
Speaker 1: just very efficient at what he does. He doesn't mess around.

1105
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 1: It's just let's get it done. But at the same

1106
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:27,240
Speaker 1: time very accommodating. So yeah, yeah, it's like you said,

1107
01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: I mean, you show up at your bunkhouse and you

1108
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,680
Speaker 1: know your your fridge has stuff in it, and you

1109
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:34,720
Speaker 1: know your place is warm and the lights on. We

1110
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:38,640
Speaker 1: got in at what four am? Four am? What did

1111
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: I tell you. I told you there'll be a pound

1112
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: of bacon, dozen eggs, loaf of bread, orange juice, half

1113
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:54,000
Speaker 1: gallon milk cream coffee. It's exactly there. Dam probably does

1114
01:02:54,040 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 1: that give a lot of we gotta give credit. I

1115
01:02:58,200 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: just you just work. The light was on and and

1116
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 1: it was hot, wave was warm and yeah, yeah, and

1117
01:03:05,840 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 1: it was Is that building over there with the little

1118
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 1: banches is that at another bunkhouse? Yeah, I'll have to

1119
01:03:11,920 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 1: shot you. It's really nice inside. Oh, it's nice. I've

1120
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 1: never seen that. We have people that come up here

1121
01:03:18,360 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: and they request to stay there. Oh, really out in

1122
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,560
Speaker 1: a little the little one out there. I hadn't seen

1123
01:03:23,600 --> 01:03:26,000
Speaker 1: that one. We wait, maybe we'll have to stay there

1124
01:03:26,080 --> 01:03:29,320
Speaker 1: next year. Yeah, it's just I'll show it to you

1125
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 1: tomorrow morning or something. I'll slip over or something and

1126
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: if you know, we'll have a look at Yeah. Well,

1127
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:39,360
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Tom And uh yeah, we'll we'll

1128
01:03:40,600 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: give some details later about how people can contact you

1129
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:49,440
Speaker 1: and stuff. We appreciate. What are your closing closing comments?

1130
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: Just about the week or about about hunting up here,

1131
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:56,120
Speaker 1: or we had a good week here. I think it was.

1132
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:59,360
Speaker 1: This is a great week to hunt, guys. Um it's

1133
01:03:59,400 --> 01:04:02,640
Speaker 1: just pre rut h. I think it goes right through

1134
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:06,480
Speaker 1: to November nineteenth. I liked hunting as latest November nineteenth

1135
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,400
Speaker 1: when all the girls are bred, and uh, you got

1136
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 1: these bucks just running all over looking for them last one.

1137
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: So it's really good hunting. You're hunting muzzloader season up

1138
01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:18,640
Speaker 1: here and into rifle season, and you know, we've done

1139
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:21,920
Speaker 1: archery season two and we've shot very good bucks in

1140
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:26,240
Speaker 1: archery season. You know, you're just in an area where

1141
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:29,120
Speaker 1: there's some good quality stuff and I think you have

1142
01:04:29,240 --> 01:04:34,640
Speaker 1: a real honest opportunity to get something, you know, I think, yeah,

1143
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:39,680
Speaker 1: And it's just you know, that's about it. I can't

1144
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: say much. I'm trating. I'm tratt Yeah. Well, all right,

1145
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:47,760
Speaker 1: keep the wild places wild because that's where the big

1146
01:04:47,800 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 1: Canadian bucks live. All thank you to