WEBVTT - Divorce Ranches

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, a production

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<v Speaker 1>of iHeartRadio. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Holly

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<v Speaker 1>Frye and I'm Tracy V. Wilson. And this topic came

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<v Speaker 1>to my attention while I was working on research for

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<v Speaker 1>our recent Harrison Dyer episode. In that episode, we talked

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<v Speaker 1>about how Dyer's paramore, Wileska Allen, moved to Reno, Nevada

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<v Speaker 1>in the early nineteen twenties to establish residency so that

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<v Speaker 1>she could divorce her imaginary husband, Wilfred P. Allen. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole story. If you don't know it, you can

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<v Speaker 1>go listen to that episode because it's too much to

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<v Speaker 1>explain it an intro. It's a hall journey. And another

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<v Speaker 1>podcast subject head a hopper start in a movie in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen twenty seven called a Reno Divorce, And all of

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<v Speaker 1>this has kind of been playing in the background of

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<v Speaker 1>my brain and going we should talk about Reno and divorces.

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<v Speaker 1>Reno and Nevada have long been wrecked as divorce friendly,

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<v Speaker 1>so I got to think about how that happened. And

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<v Speaker 1>the topic that we're talking about today specifically sort of

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about a lot of it is divorce ranches,

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<v Speaker 1>which didn't really come about until after Wilesca's time. There

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<v Speaker 1>there were things like it going on, but they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>really like pitched as this is a divorce ranch. Divorce

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<v Speaker 1>ranches sprung up in the nineteen thirties when the state

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<v Speaker 1>relaxed its laws even further regarding divorce and residency. So

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<v Speaker 1>today we will talk about the state's relationship with divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>how it became the divorce capital of the country, and

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<v Speaker 1>why this unique and controversial style of resort, the divorce

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<v Speaker 1>ranch was so popular for several decades and then became obsolete. So,

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<v Speaker 1>as Holly just mentioned, divorce was part of Nevada's identity

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<v Speaker 1>well before the nineteen thirties, but it was definitely not

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<v Speaker 1>the first place in North America to allow or even

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<v Speaker 1>be known for the availability of divorce. And like a

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<v Speaker 1>legal system context, there was divorce in the colonies. The

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<v Speaker 1>first was a bigamy case in the Massachusetts Colony in

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<v Speaker 1>sixteen forty three, and as the United States was formed

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<v Speaker 1>and people moved west from the Atlantic coast, the places

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<v Speaker 1>at the edges of westward expansion tended to be the

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<v Speaker 1>most hospitable for a legal breakup of a marriage. It's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a pattern in social expectations and moving west. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases that was far away from established communities,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was easy for someone to start a new life.

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<v Speaker 1>In other ways, it was just a place that was inhospitable,

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<v Speaker 1>so people were worried about other stuff. You want to

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<v Speaker 1>get divorced, go crazy. We really need to make sure

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<v Speaker 1>that everyone eats enough. It was it was just not

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<v Speaker 1>a priority to really be particular and clamped down regarding divorce.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Nevada became a territory in eighteen sixty one,

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<v Speaker 1>it quickly became a divorce haven. Virginia City, which sits

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<v Speaker 1>to the east of Lake Tahose northern Sure, became known

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<v Speaker 1>as the City of Divorces. When Nevada gained statehood in

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<v Speaker 1>the eighteen sixty four the state constitution included the same

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<v Speaker 1>relatively liberal laws regarding divorce that the territory had. It

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<v Speaker 1>also included the same requirement for residency that the territory

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<v Speaker 1>had had, which was six months. Because Nevada's legislature was

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<v Speaker 1>amenable to relatively quick and easy divorces, it, like other

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<v Speaker 1>territories and states with similar laws, became very attractive to

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<v Speaker 1>legal firms from the East Coast. Those firms would set

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<v Speaker 1>up outpost offices in these places so that they could

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the steady business of divorce cases. This helped establish

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of divorce mills. In addition to the legislation

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<v Speaker 1>that was in place, lawyers and places like New York

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<v Speaker 1>or Chicago or other big cities would often encourage their

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<v Speaker 1>clients who were seeking divorce to go to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the places where it was easier to get one. They'd

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<v Speaker 1>spend the required amount of time there to declare themselves

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<v Speaker 1>a resident, and then get their divorce. Even with this

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<v Speaker 1>wait time to establish residency, this often was a much

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<v Speaker 1>faster process than it would have been back home, as

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<v Speaker 1>many states had really long waiting periods after filing. When

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<v Speaker 1>we say it was easier to obtain the divorce, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot easier, and a lot of states, including

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<v Speaker 1>New York, to get a divorce you had to have

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<v Speaker 1>proof that your spouse had committed adultery, things like cruelty

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<v Speaker 1>or abuse. They were not enough. Nevada had a lot

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<v Speaker 1>more ways that you could claim that a divorce was

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<v Speaker 1>a necessity. Yeah, we'll talk about some of those in

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<v Speaker 1>just a bit, but this all quickly led to high

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<v Speaker 1>profile people hoping to rapidly move on from unwanted marriages

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<v Speaker 1>in the state. We'll talk about several of these today,

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<v Speaker 1>but one of the first was Bertrand Russell's older brother,

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<v Speaker 1>John Francis Stanley Russell, who was the second Earl Russell.

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<v Speaker 1>He may be an episode topic in the future. He's

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<v Speaker 1>quite a t to me. His divorce saga is long

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of intense. Both he and his wife Mabel

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<v Speaker 1>wanted out of the marriage and they found it impossible

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<v Speaker 1>within the British legal system. For a long time, the

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<v Speaker 1>two of them pretty much lived separately and they kept

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<v Speaker 1>trying through the British courts to gain a divorce without success.

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<v Speaker 1>But then when Francis fell in love with Molly Somerville,

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<v Speaker 1>who was also married at the time, he decided that

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to hasten a dissolution of his marriage and Molly's,

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<v Speaker 1>so he and his mistress went to Nevada. After spending

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<v Speaker 1>six months at Lake Tahoe, Molly and Francis each got

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<v Speaker 1>divorces from their spouses who were back in England, and

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<v Speaker 1>then the two of them got married in Reno the

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<v Speaker 1>next day. These divorces were not going to be recognized

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<v Speaker 1>as legal in Britain, and both Francis and Molly knew that,

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<v Speaker 1>But in Francis's case, he was hoping this would create

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<v Speaker 1>a scenario where his wife, Mabel, could and show clear

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<v Speaker 1>evidence that she had been abandoned by her husband, so

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<v Speaker 1>their divorce would finally be granted. He even set aside

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<v Speaker 1>a sum of money for Mabel to keep the whole

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<v Speaker 1>thing as smooth and simple as possible. That did not

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<v Speaker 1>work out as planned, though, While Molly's husband had also

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<v Speaker 1>filed for divorce and they were able to settle this

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<v Speaker 1>matter uncontested, and while Mabel wanted a divorce as well,

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<v Speaker 1>Russell was arrested and tried for bigamy. That is its

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<v Speaker 1>own whole story about why he was arrested. It was

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<v Speaker 1>not very common to prosecute bigamy in Britain at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's a different story for another day. Reno really

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<v Speaker 1>did become a big destination for would be divorcees after

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<v Speaker 1>a woman named Laura Corey spent time there before receiving

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<v Speaker 1>her divorce from William Ellis Corey, who was president of

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<v Speaker 1>US Steel Corporation. This was a divorce that William wanted

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<v Speaker 1>he had started an affair with an actress named Mabel

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<v Speaker 1>Gilman and he wanted to be free to start a

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<v Speaker 1>life with her. And Corey paid his wife Laura one

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars for a divorce. This was in the early

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundred, so that was a lot of money, and

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<v Speaker 1>he asked her to travel to Nevada to live for

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<v Speaker 1>the requisite six months at the time to declare residency

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<v Speaker 1>and file, which she did. And this was another high

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<v Speaker 1>profile case that was covered in papers across the country

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<v Speaker 1>and it ended up with Laura getting full custody of

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<v Speaker 1>their son and a whole lot more money. And because

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<v Speaker 1>this was a very wealthy, stylish family from the United States,

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<v Speaker 1>it helped create this sort of halo effect around Reno

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<v Speaker 1>in particular as the place where wealthy and important people

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<v Speaker 1>would go to get their divorces. Soon, Reno and Nevada

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<v Speaker 1>overall were the preferred destinations among the options for relatively

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<v Speaker 1>expedient divorces in the United States. Divorce tourism grew so

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<v Speaker 1>rapidly in Reno in the first decade of the night

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<v Speaker 1>teen hundreds that much of the city was built to

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<v Speaker 1>accommodate it. What had been a relatively small town of

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<v Speaker 1>several thousand residents suddenly had a need for housing for

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<v Speaker 1>this constant influx of not quite permanent residents. This included apartments, hotels,

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<v Speaker 1>boarding houses, and in some cases private homes that were

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<v Speaker 1>rented out by the room or in their entirety. There

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<v Speaker 1>was also a boom and entertainment venues and restaurants to

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<v Speaker 1>keep all these newcomers fed and occupied. In the nineteen twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>dude ranches started to dot the suburban landscape. They would

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<v Speaker 1>offer a variety of amenities alongside outdoorsy activities like horseback

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<v Speaker 1>riding and shooting. Most of their visitors were women waiting

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<v Speaker 1>out this residency rule. All of this led to Reno

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<v Speaker 1>taking over the nickname of divorce capital of the country.

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<v Speaker 1>People started referring to the act of going to Nevada

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<v Speaker 1>for a fresh start as the Reno cure. That title

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<v Speaker 1>of dev capital was not one that everyone who lived

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<v Speaker 1>in Reno appreciated, and because of ongoing complaints and campaigning

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<v Speaker 1>from various groups, including churches and women's groups, the length

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<v Speaker 1>of time required for residency was lengthened in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>teens from six months to one year. This, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>resulted in fewer divorces, which was the goal of those

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<v Speaker 1>groups that had been lobbying for this change, But it

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<v Speaker 1>also meant that the city that had built an economy

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<v Speaker 1>on wealthy divorce seekers over the prior decade was suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>left struggling financially because people were not willing to go

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere for a year the way they would for six months.

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<v Speaker 1>That law was changed back to the six month wait

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<v Speaker 1>period for the economic needs of the state. The next

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<v Speaker 1>divorce of the rich and famous to put Reno in

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<v Speaker 1>national headlines was that of Silent film star Mary Pickford.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked about Pickford in one of our eponymous food

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<v Speaker 1>episodes when we talked about Fetccini Alfredo. We mentioned that

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<v Speaker 1>she and Douglas Fairbanks fell in love with the dish

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<v Speaker 1>on their honeymoon. That marriage happened after Pickford got a

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<v Speaker 1>quickie Nevada divorce from her first husband, Owen Moore, which

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<v Speaker 1>she did in nineteen twenty. Nevada also gained a revenue

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<v Speaker 1>stream from quickie weddings around this time. That started in

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<v Speaker 1>the late nineteen twenties because while other states were tightening

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<v Speaker 1>their laws and establishing things like waiting periods and blood

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<v Speaker 1>tests before a couple could be married. Nevada required none

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Still, after the nineteen twenty nine stock market crash,

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<v Speaker 1>the revenue from those dropped off, along with everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>That crash and the depression that followed ushered in the

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<v Speaker 1>time of the divorce ranch. We will talk about that

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<v Speaker 1>right after we pause for a sponsor break. Nevada economics

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<v Speaker 1>once again led to a shift in residency laws with

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<v Speaker 1>the hopes that divorce tourism would bring in more cash flow.

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<v Speaker 1>In nineteen thirty one, the Great Depression was in full

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<v Speaker 1>swing and the state's finances were really hurting. It was

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<v Speaker 1>harder and harder for people to come up with the

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<v Speaker 1>money for an extended stay in Reno or elsewhere in

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<v Speaker 1>the state just to get a divorce. In nineteen twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 1>the state legislature had already dropped the residency requirement to

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<v Speaker 1>just three months, so it was not as expensive as

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<v Speaker 1>it had been at six months, of course, but there

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<v Speaker 1>were still far fewer temporary residents patronizing their hotels, their

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<v Speaker 1>du branches, their restaurants, and their speakeasies. That year, Nevada

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<v Speaker 1>made two important changes to state law, which were intended

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<v Speaker 1>to improve the state's finances and lore tourists. The first

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<v Speaker 1>was the Wide Open Gambling Act, which, as its name suggests,

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<v Speaker 1>made gambling legal in the state, and the second was

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<v Speaker 1>that in March of nineteen thirty one, Nevada opted to

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<v Speaker 1>shift to a six week waiting period for residency, much

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<v Speaker 1>shorter than the prior three month period and way shorter,

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<v Speaker 1>way way shorter than the one year that most other

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<v Speaker 1>states required. It also added wording that a person could

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<v Speaker 1>ask for a divorce based on what was described as

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<v Speaker 1>extreme cruelty entirely mental in nature, but that was way

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<v Speaker 1>easier to claim than adultery or abandonment, which was what

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<v Speaker 1>was required in other places, and also other places required

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<v Speaker 1>proof of those claims. Yeah, that extreme cruelty clause gets

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<v Speaker 1>discussed a lot in anyone writing about this history, because

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases it was like not maybe what you

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<v Speaker 1>would think of as something extremely cruel, but like things

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<v Speaker 1>like my husband won't let me play the radio in

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<v Speaker 1>the house, or like, in some cases there was obviously

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<v Speaker 1>genuine cruelty, I don't want to downplay that, but in

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<v Speaker 1>some cases they didn't have to really come up with

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<v Speaker 1>anything heavy to get the divorce moved right through this

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<v Speaker 1>shift in divorce laws was recorded in the Nevada lature

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<v Speaker 1>as follows. Section twenty two. Divorced from the bonds of

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<v Speaker 1>matrimony may be obtained by complaint under oath to the

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<v Speaker 1>district Court of any county in which the cause therefore

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<v Speaker 1>shall have accrued, or in which the defendant shall reside

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<v Speaker 1>or be found, or in which the plaintiff shall reside,

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<v Speaker 1>or in which the parties last cohabitated, or if plaintiffs

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<v Speaker 1>shall have resided six weeks in the state before suit

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<v Speaker 1>be brought for the following causes, or any other causes

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<v Speaker 1>provided by law so First impotency at the time of

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<v Speaker 1>marriage continuing to the time of divorce. Second adultery since

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<v Speaker 1>the marriage remaining unforgiven. Third willful desertion at any time

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<v Speaker 1>of either party by the other for the period of

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<v Speaker 1>one year. Fourth conviction of a felony or infamous crime.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifth habitual gross drunkenness contracted since marriage of either party,

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<v Speaker 1>which shall incapacitate such party from contributing his or her

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<v Speaker 1>share to the support of the family. Sixth extreme crew

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<v Speaker 1>cruelty in either party. Seventh neglect of the husband for

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<v Speaker 1>the period of one year. To provide the common necessaries

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<v Speaker 1>of life when such neglect is not the result of

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<v Speaker 1>poverty on the part of the husband, which he could

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<v Speaker 1>not avoid by ordinary industry. Eighth, insanity existing for two

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<v Speaker 1>years prior to the commencement of the action. That last

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<v Speaker 1>one had additional language as well, requiring corroborative evidence. We've

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<v Speaker 1>talked about instances in history on the show where a

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<v Speaker 1>husband has declared that his wife was insane to try

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<v Speaker 1>to get a divorce without needing any other verification or

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<v Speaker 1>examination of that claim. This additional language was there to

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<v Speaker 1>prevent that kind of situation. The new version of the

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<v Speaker 1>Divorce Act went into effect on May first, nineteen thirty one.

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<v Speaker 1>A reported three hundred new divorce cases were filed that morning,

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<v Speaker 1>But the new law also kicked off a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>controversy around the United States. There were a number of states,

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<v Speaker 1>at least prominent judges within a number of states that

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<v Speaker 1>did not want to recognize Nevada divorces as legal because

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<v Speaker 1>of the looser regulations. Almost immediately, newspapers around the nation

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<v Speaker 1>included coverage of this issue and featured opinions and statements

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<v Speaker 1>given by various judges on the matter. Illinois, in particular,

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<v Speaker 1>was the first to challenge the validity of Nevada divorces.

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<v Speaker 1>Maryland also would not recognize Nevada divorces initially, and Tennessee

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<v Speaker 1>was not happy about it, but had not had any

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<v Speaker 1>cases come up for them to really examine. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when Georgia authorities were question on the matter, they just

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<v Speaker 1>were not sure if Nevada divorces would stand in their state.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a month after the Nevada six week residency law

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<v Speaker 1>went into effect, the Los Angeles Evening Citizen News ran

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<v Speaker 1>a lengthy editorial on Quickie divorces. It read quote, lawyers

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<v Speaker 1>generally throughout the country know that citizens of one state

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<v Speaker 1>cannot legally escape the divorce laws of their own state

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<v Speaker 1>by taking temporary sojourn in another state. Nevada divorces are

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<v Speaker 1>good only as long as they are accepted by both parties.

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<v Speaker 1>But let one party to the marriage raise objection in

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<v Speaker 1>the state in which both parties are residents, and the

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<v Speaker 1>law will support the objection. Nevada divorces are founded on perjury.

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<v Speaker 1>Parties to divorce cases in Nevada are asked not only

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<v Speaker 1>if they are residents of the state, but if they

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<v Speaker 1>intend to be residents thereof. They always answer in the affirmative,

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<v Speaker 1>although at the time of the answer they have their

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<v Speaker 1>tickets purchased to go back home. The Nevada divorce mill

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<v Speaker 1>may lead to a national uniform divorce law. Protection of

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<v Speaker 1>the rights of women and children may require such a step.

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<v Speaker 1>Nevada's easy divorce laws may be all right in many cases,

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<v Speaker 1>but perjury is not to be approved, and neglect of

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<v Speaker 1>the rights of children are not to be approved. Ultimately,

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<v Speaker 1>Nevada divorces were deemed legal and were upheld by all

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<v Speaker 1>the other states by December of nineteen thirty one. So

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<v Speaker 1>the same year this law went into effect, divorce ranches

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<v Speaker 1>were hitting the papers. Many papers ran a story with

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<v Speaker 1>the headline divorce ranch established at Reno by Vanderbilt for

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<v Speaker 1>freedom seekers, decree and grand time, all for five hundred dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>So this literally was like syndicated in all of the papers,

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<v Speaker 1>and many instances of this article opened with what amounted

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<v Speaker 1>to kind of an advertisement for Vanderbilt's new business, which read,

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<v Speaker 1>in part quote, no longer need the ordeal of interviewing lawyers,

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<v Speaker 1>attending courts, and such tiring details prevent the freedom seeking

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<v Speaker 1>husband or wife from cutting loose from the unwanted partner.

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks to Cornelius Vanderbilt Junior, everything is now plain sailing

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<v Speaker 1>for the one who desires to be rid of the

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<v Speaker 1>marital shackles. Neely, as he is affectionately called, has opened

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<v Speaker 1>up a divorce ranch at Indian Springs Oasis near Reno,

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<v Speaker 1>where all one has to do is check in and

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<v Speaker 1>spend six weeks of entertainment while the manager attends to

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<v Speaker 1>all troublesome details of severing the tie that binds. It

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<v Speaker 1>goes on to explain that the small charge of five

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<v Speaker 1>hundred dollars covers quote, room and board for six weeks

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<v Speaker 1>plus entertainment horseback riding, tennis, swimming, and so forth. It

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<v Speaker 1>also mentions that Vanderbilt has hired a manager named Mary

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<v Speaker 1>Gratchy to handle all of the business, including talking to

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<v Speaker 1>lawyers for the guests, and that if this venture succeeds,

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<v Speaker 1>the business will expand into a chain quote within a

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<v Speaker 1>convenient radius of the divorce mills at Reno. It touts

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<v Speaker 1>that manager Gratcy will quote do one hundred and one

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<v Speaker 1>of those annoying little jobs that take all the fun

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<v Speaker 1>out of divorce. This article was likely the first introduction

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of readers around the country had to the

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<v Speaker 1>concept of a resort for getting divorced, and it describes

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<v Speaker 1>how easy and pleasurable it will be for guests to

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<v Speaker 1>go on vacation and do all the things they would

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy and a regular ranch stay with the added legal

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<v Speaker 1>benefit of handling the divorce when this day is over.

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<v Speaker 1>Vanderbilt is quoted in the article saying, quote, give the

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<v Speaker 1>public what it wants, do it cheaply and with the

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<v Speaker 1>minimum amount of trouble to the customer. This first ranch

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<v Speaker 1>was called lazy Me, and it developed a reputation as

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<v Speaker 1>a place where not only could a person wait for

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<v Speaker 1>their divorce, but they could also potentially enjoy and no

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<v Speaker 1>strings attached dalliance with somebody from the staff. Vanderbilt, who

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<v Speaker 1>was an outcast from high society, got a book out

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<v Speaker 1>of the business. But it does not appear that he

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<v Speaker 1>stayed in there. No. I kept trying to hunt down,

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<v Speaker 1>like did he ever open up his chain? He just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of vanishes from this whole project after a while.

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<v Speaker 1>After he wrote his book. I think he was like done.

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<v Speaker 1>Most of the divorce ranches in the nineteen thirties were

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<v Speaker 1>in or around Reno, but that changed at the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the decade, and we'll talk about why after we

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<v Speaker 1>hear from the sponsors that keeps stuff you missed in

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<v Speaker 1>history class. Going prior to nineteen thirty nine, most hopeful

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<v Speaker 1>divorcees went to Reno. That was where the divorce ranches

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<v Speaker 1>were mostly clustered. But that year nineteen thirty nine, Clark

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<v Speaker 1>Gable's second wife, Maria Franklin Prentiss Lucas Langham, who went

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<v Speaker 1>by Riha, had a lengthy stay in Las Vegas to

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<v Speaker 1>establish residency so she could divorce her movie star husband.

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<v Speaker 1>The couple had gotten married in nineteen thirty one, when

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<v Speaker 1>Gable's career in film was just beginning. Ria was seventeen

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<v Speaker 1>years older than Gable and had just gotten divorced from

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<v Speaker 1>her third husband when the two met in nineteen twenty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Their courtship was one in which the wealthy socialite Ria

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<v Speaker 1>took care of the younger Gable financially, helping him develop

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<v Speaker 1>his stylish image. But as Gable had become a movie star,

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<v Speaker 1>he had also been seen around Los Angeles with many

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<v Speaker 1>women who were not Ria and many of his cos

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<v Speaker 1>and it was apparent that this marriage was not a

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<v Speaker 1>happy one, so Ria moved to Nevada. But she went,

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<v Speaker 1>as we said, not to Reno, but to Las Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>She asked only that she be given privacy, and in

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<v Speaker 1>exchange she gave an interview to the Las Vegas Review Journal.

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<v Speaker 1>This was a deal she arranged with the Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>Chamber of Commerce. That interview was accompanied by photos of

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<v Speaker 1>Langham having a wonderful time enjoying a variety of leisure activities,

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<v Speaker 1>including visiting the casinos of Vegas, and it put Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>on the map as a divorce resort. Soon the city

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<v Speaker 1>had its fair share of divorce ranches. The year after

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<v Speaker 1>Rea lanham stay an endorsement of Las Vegas, the Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>Strip was added to the city's offerings, and it cemented

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<v Speaker 1>its place as a destinations for weddings, divorces, and gambling.

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<v Speaker 1>While divorce ranches appealed to people with enough money to

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<v Speaker 1>spend five hundred dollars to while away their residency requirement,

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<v Speaker 1>there were also much less glamorous places popping up to

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<v Speaker 1>serve the needs of the less affluent in Reno in Vegas.

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<v Speaker 1>These were sometimes dormitory style boarding houses for women, where

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<v Speaker 1>they would share a room and a bathroom with you know,

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<v Speaker 1>anywhere from four to eight people. They were not really

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<v Speaker 1>having the time of their lives, but they were still

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<v Speaker 1>getting their divorces, and they were still boosting the area's economy.

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<v Speaker 1>By the end of the nineteen thirties, Nevada was home

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<v Speaker 1>to five percent of the divorces in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>That may not sound like all that much, but its

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<v Speaker 1>population made up less than one tenth of a percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the country's total. There were still plenty of famous

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<v Speaker 1>and glitzy visitors to the divorce hub of the country

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<v Speaker 1>over the years. In nineteen fifty one, Rita Hayworth famously

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<v Speaker 1>went to Lake Tahoe for six weeks to file for

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<v Speaker 1>divorce from her third husband, Prince Ali Khan. The couple

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<v Speaker 1>had been together for two years when Hayworth left with

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<v Speaker 1>their toddler daughter to petition for divorce on the rounds

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<v Speaker 1>of extreme cruelty entirely mental in nature. When Kroner Eddie

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<v Speaker 1>Fisher decided to divorce Debbie Reynolds to marry Elizabeth Taylor

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<v Speaker 1>in a huge scandal that eventually cost him professional opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>he went to Vegas to wait out the six week

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<v Speaker 1>waiting period. Fisher combined his Nevada residency accrual with work,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got a job singing on the Las Vegas

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<v Speaker 1>Strip at the Tropicana. Elizabeth Taylor was said to have

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<v Speaker 1>often been at his shows as the pair waited for

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<v Speaker 1>his divorce. The culture of these divorce ranches, at whatever

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<v Speaker 1>economic level a person could afford to stay, was really fascinating.

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<v Speaker 1>The six week stay afforded a variety of experiences for people,

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<v Speaker 1>and for many of the women who went there, it

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<v Speaker 1>was a taste of freedom that they really weren't accustomed to.

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<v Speaker 1>In some cases, divorce branches offered a sense of community.

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<v Speaker 1>People were all going through the exact same experience, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are a number of accounts that mentioned close friendships

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<v Speaker 1>that people formed there. For someone who wanted to experience

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<v Speaker 1>the freedom of a life unhindered by attachment, there were

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<v Speaker 1>plenty of diversions and places to visit. Some ranches and

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<v Speaker 1>boarding houses even assisted with childcare for mothers who had

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<v Speaker 1>arrived with their little ones, enabling mom to have a

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<v Speaker 1>night on the town whenever she desired. In twenty ten,

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<v Speaker 1>two sisters, Beth Ward and Robbie McBride shared their story

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<v Speaker 1>of growing up on a divorce ranch run by their

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<v Speaker 1>parents for NPR Story Corps. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>the sisters mentioned was the fact that their mother would

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<v Speaker 1>go to court with the women who stayed at their

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<v Speaker 1>family's ranch, which was Whitney Ranch, and she would testify

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<v Speaker 1>that that woman had indeed been living with them for

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<v Speaker 1>the preceding six weeks. They were both very adamant that

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<v Speaker 1>their mother was very adamant that she would never lie,

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<v Speaker 1>so if a guest asked her to vouch for having

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<v Speaker 1>seen them, and she had, she would not do it.

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<v Speaker 1>This practice, though, of an owner, a manager, or employee

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<v Speaker 1>of a ranch being the person to vouch for person's

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<v Speaker 1>resident status, was very common practice. Ward and McBride shared

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<v Speaker 1>stories of guests who were in some cases truly heartbroken

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<v Speaker 1>and cried throughout their stay, as well as people who

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes brought someone else with them, who they frequently called

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<v Speaker 1>their cousins. These were usually men that the women involved

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<v Speaker 1>were intending to be with once their divorce was final,

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<v Speaker 1>so they would book two rooms essentially, one for them

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<v Speaker 1>one for their cousin. Probably had some time for romance

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<v Speaker 1>in the six weeks they were there, and then at

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<v Speaker 1>the end they could get married. Although some of these

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<v Speaker 1>guests were unhappy to be leaving their marriages behind. Ward

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<v Speaker 1>told story core quote as a whole most of the

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<v Speaker 1>people who came there they wanted a divorce, so it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't an unhappy time for them. They just thought it

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<v Speaker 1>was great that there was some place they could come

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<v Speaker 1>to get one. Beth Ward was married herself, and she

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<v Speaker 1>met her second husband when his wife was at the

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<v Speaker 1>ranch for a divorce. I love that little detail though.

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<v Speaker 1>One popular image of the divorce ranch is that it

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a place where wealthy people played and

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<v Speaker 1>got into all manner of frivolity, of what you might

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<v Speaker 1>think of as a less than wholesome nature. There were

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<v Speaker 1>also ranch owners who spoke against that image. In an

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<v Speaker 1>article in the Nevada State Journal in July nineteen sixty five,

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<v Speaker 1>several ranch owners tried to correct some of the information

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<v Speaker 1>that had become part of the popular lore of divorce ranches.

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<v Speaker 1>This was actually in direct response to a prior article

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<v Speaker 1>that was written by journalist Robert Warnick, but this piece

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<v Speaker 1>overall also sought to dispel a lot of widely held

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<v Speaker 1>myths about the industry in statements from ranch owners. Those

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<v Speaker 1>owners were Missus L. M. Whitney, Harry Dracart, Missus Bertha Winnie,

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<v Speaker 1>and hughes Porter. Drakart incidentally was happy with Warnick's piece,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's probably because that original article named Drackart's Donner

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<v Speaker 1>Trail Ranch as the last divorce ranch in the state

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, which it absolutely was not. But one

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<v Speaker 1>point of contention was the insinuation that ranch hand routinely

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<v Speaker 1>had sexual relationships with guests. Hughes Porter told the paper, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't allow them, meaning the wranglers, to flirt. We've

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<v Speaker 1>had the other type of ranch hand. We had to

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<v Speaker 1>get rid of them. The divorce ranches continued for decades,

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<v Speaker 1>although they did wane over time. In nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>an article ran in the Nevada State Journal under the

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<v Speaker 1>headline two Divorce Ranches Still Thriving. It calls out specifically

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<v Speaker 1>the Donner Trail Ranch and Whitney's Guest Ranch and talks

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<v Speaker 1>about the many ways that these two ranches continue to

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<v Speaker 1>keep guests happy, busy, and well cared for during their

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks of living in the state. The article notes, quote,

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<v Speaker 1>with Reno's reputation as a divorce mill still going full

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<v Speaker 1>speed ahead at the ranch, the only cloud on the

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<v Speaker 1>horizon is the proposed dam across the Trucky Stream downriver

0:27:49.480 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>from the ranch house. That take probably seemed a little

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<v Speaker 1>quaint just a few months later, and that's because in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, California divorce law shifted in a way

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<v Speaker 1>that spelled out the end of the divorce ranch. The

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<v Speaker 1>first no fault divorce bill, the Family Law Act of

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty nine, was signed by California Governor Ronald Reagan

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<v Speaker 1>and went into effect on January first, nineteen seventy and

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<v Speaker 1>that signaled the end of the need for divorce ranches.

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<v Speaker 1>Though there were people getting divorces well before this, this

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<v Speaker 1>piece of legislation is often considered a big step in

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<v Speaker 1>destigmatizing it. Kansas and Texas followed with their own no

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<v Speaker 1>fault divorce legislation in nineteen seventy, and in nineteen seventy one, Alabama, Florida,

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<v Speaker 1>New Hampshire, and North Dakota accepted no fault divorce many

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>other states in the time since then. In the space

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<v Speaker 1>of just a few months, divorce ranches were kind of

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<v Speaker 1>relegated to the role of an unnecessary relic from a

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<v Speaker 1>previous legislative age. Almost overnight, Nevada's image seemed to reconfigure

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<v Speaker 1>itself to be about easy weddings and gambling alone. You

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<v Speaker 1>can still visit to divorce ranches, sort of. Two of

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<v Speaker 1>the places that catered to the divorce set are now

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<v Speaker 1>inside parks in the Las Vegas area that are open

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<v Speaker 1>to visitors. Floyd Lamb Park at Tooley Springs includes remnants

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<v Speaker 1>of the Tooley Springs Ranch, and Loreensey Park is home

0:29:16.920 --> 0:29:19.440
<v Speaker 1>to Twin Lakes Lodge that used to be a regular

0:29:19.560 --> 0:29:25.040
<v Speaker 1>extended stay stop for divorce seekers. I am so fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>by this whole concept for so many reasons, and I

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<v Speaker 1>have so much stuff to stay behind the scenes on

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<v Speaker 1>Friday divorce Ranches. In the meantime, I have an email

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<v Speaker 1>that made me squinky a little bit, but also delayed.

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<v Speaker 1>So here we go. This is from our listener Whitney,

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<v Speaker 1>who writes, Hi, ladies, I've been listening to your show

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<v Speaker 1>for years, including going through most of the back catalog

0:29:53.800 --> 0:29:56.080
<v Speaker 1>when I first started listening five or six years ago.

0:29:56.560 --> 0:29:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I am a huge history nerd and always include your

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<v Speaker 1>podcast in my list of thank you. The episode, including

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<v Speaker 1>Sloppy Joe's, made me remember a dish my grandmother and

0:30:05.920 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 1>mother used to make moons Ago called spoon Burgers. It

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.320
<v Speaker 1>seems to be even a step down from Sloppy Joe's

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<v Speaker 1>in its money saving status. My grandmother was a child

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<v Speaker 1>during the Great Depression, and my mother was a child

0:30:18.120 --> 0:30:21.720
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen fifties northeast Mississippi, which was definitely a place

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<v Speaker 1>where the prosperity after World War II arrived late. This

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<v Speaker 1>version of Sloppy Joe's includes ground beef, a can of

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<v Speaker 1>Campbell's Vegetarian Vegetable Alphabet soup with ketchup and mustard added

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:38.680
<v Speaker 1>for some extra zing. Whitney added a little emoticon face

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<v Speaker 1>that is exactly the replica of my face, because this

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<v Speaker 1>does not sound yummy to be. I read this email

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<v Speaker 1>first thing in the morning, when I felt like I

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:52.320
<v Speaker 1>was still trying to, you know, acclimate myself to being

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<v Speaker 1>awake for the day, and I was like, oh, no,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not a combination of things that I'm okay

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<v Speaker 1>with right now. No, Whitney continues. It is served on

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<v Speaker 1>a bun with yellow mustard. This is a comfort dish

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<v Speaker 1>from my childhood. However I can't quite convince my husband

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<v Speaker 1>to try it. Thank you so much for your wonderful show.

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<v Speaker 1>I look forward to Mondays and Wednesdays because I know

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:17.960
<v Speaker 1>I will have a new episode. I'm attaching a photo

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<v Speaker 1>of our hound dog mix Louis for the Pet tax.

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<v Speaker 1>He is a sassy two year old rescue who is

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<v Speaker 1>the epitome of a talkative hound dog. I have included

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<v Speaker 1>a photo of him pretending that we don't feed him. Listen,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. This looks like this dog has never

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<v Speaker 1>once been fed. He is clearly very very neglected. No,

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<v Speaker 1>Louie is gorgeous. I have a soft spot for hounds.

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:40.600
<v Speaker 1>My parents used to breed hounds when I was a kid,

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<v Speaker 1>So like, show me a hounddog and I'm happy, and

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<v Speaker 1>he is beautiful and I want to kiss that snoot

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<v Speaker 1>so hard. I'm kind of with your husband, Whitney. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't want to eat that either. Yeah. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was the mustard that really tipped me into the being

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<v Speaker 1>like mm mmmm, and I really like mustard. But something

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<v Speaker 1>about mustard in addition to all the other things why

0:32:00.280 --> 0:32:03.640
<v Speaker 1>I was like, ah, no, no, no, too much that

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<v Speaker 1>for me. It's the it's kind of the same problem.

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<v Speaker 1>I have a sloppy Joe. I'm sure I've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>on the show before. I do not like stews. Generally me,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like gloopy food that combines a lot of

0:32:13.840 --> 0:32:16.360
<v Speaker 1>other food into some sort of conglomerate. It's just not

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<v Speaker 1>my thing, so for me, nay, But I'm sure you know,

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<v Speaker 1>with the right combo, maybe it is delicious. I might

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<v Speaker 1>need a couple of cocktails before I like to lower

0:32:27.880 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 1>my resistance. But I bet Louie would love these. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because he's never been fed, he's desperate, he's so pretty.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of can't get over it. I might have

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<v Speaker 1>a dog crush on Louie Whitney. Thank you for sharing

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<v Speaker 1>this story with us. You know, there are lots of

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<v Speaker 1>foods that we all eat that, especially if they were

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<v Speaker 1>like a childhood thing, that is not for everybody, And

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, so please don't think that I'm mocking

0:32:53.160 --> 0:32:55.480
<v Speaker 1>your childhood comfort food. It just does not sound like

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<v Speaker 1>something I would love. But there are lots of things

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<v Speaker 1>I eat that other people would be like. Girl, No,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, no judgment, just not my jam. If you

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