1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,959 Speaker 1: We are rolling through the Tuesday edition of the program, 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: like a lot of you out there. Sometimes after pause, 5 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: I thought early the part of this day, I was like, Oh, 6 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: it's Monday. I hope you had great labor day weekends. 7 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,160 Speaker 1: I hope you're ready. As we move into the sprint 8 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: portion of the midterms, about sixty days a little bit 9 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:29,639 Speaker 1: over away from the mid term elections, and we bring 10 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 1: in now Andy McCarthy, who has been doing an amazing 11 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: job breaking down the legality surrounding the mar Lago raid. 12 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,159 Speaker 1: And we've told you on the program we're not going 13 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 1: to get overwhelmed by the mar Lago raid because we 14 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: think in many ways it's a political distraction. But I 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 1: am fascinated by the legal maneuvering that is going on. 16 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: So Andy, let's start here. We know that a federal 17 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: District court judge has granted Donald Trump's legal team's request 18 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 1: to have a special master reviewing all of the seized 19 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:07,400 Speaker 1: documents from inside mar Lago, and there are allegations at 20 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,200 Speaker 1: those documents. We know they initially took the passport, but 21 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 1: that there may be a lot of medical records, maybe 22 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: tax records that were also seized here. What did you 23 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: think of the ruling? What is its significance? A couple 24 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: of big questions here, and as it pertains to the 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: Eleventh Circuit, do you expect the Department of Justice to appeal? 26 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: Where are we headed procedurely? In your mind? Probably I 27 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:37,839 Speaker 1: should answer those less two together, because I think that's 28 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:42,320 Speaker 1: that really hits the important part. I was surprised by 29 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: the rationale for Judge Cannon's ruling, which is that not 30 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 1: only does President Trump, as a former president, retain some 31 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 1: measure of executive privilege, but it can actually be she says, 32 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: potentially exercise against the executive branch itself, which is a 33 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: controversial ruling. I think it was very foolish for the 34 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 1: Justice Department to proceed with this without getting a ruling 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 1: on that from the court first, because that's a controversial 36 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: area of the law. I think the Justice Department may 37 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: have the better of the argument, but when you're in 38 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: an unsettled area, what you want to do is get 39 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,640 Speaker 1: the court ruling first before you start doing stuff based 40 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,399 Speaker 1: on a potentially bad assumption about the law, and that's 41 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: why I think they really have to go to the 42 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:37,679 Speaker 1: eleventh Circuit. I think they'll want to get that reversed 43 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 1: if they can. Andy, it's Buck, where do you see 44 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: this going. I mean, let's assume for a second that 45 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: it isn't reverse. Take us down that pathway. Well, you 46 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: guys teed this up mentioning the I think, like just 47 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 1: mentioned that we're about sixty days from the midterms, and 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: it's a good point, Buck to pause and remind people 49 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: that the Justice Department purports to go by this sort 50 00:03:07,120 --> 00:03:09,839 Speaker 1: of guidance that they call the sixty day rule, which 51 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: is really not a rule, it's kind of an unwritten 52 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,799 Speaker 1: set of guidelines, but the ideas they're not supposed to 53 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:21,079 Speaker 1: take any big public steps in investigations within a sixty 54 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 1: day window of major elections that could conceive where under 55 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: circumstances where the law enforcement action could influence the outcome 56 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: of the election. So I have a feeling that other 57 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: than necessary things like if you're going to appeal to 58 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:38,520 Speaker 1: the eleven Circuit and if they're going to have oral 59 00:03:38,640 --> 00:03:42,360 Speaker 1: argument and that sort of stuff, I think we're probably 60 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: not going to hear a whole lot about this for 61 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: the next sixty days, other than what President Trump has 62 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 1: to say about it. And I think the same thing 63 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: is probably true, you know, not that you asked me 64 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: about this, but the same thing is probably true of 65 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden. I'd expect that nothing's going to move on 66 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: that for the next sixty days either. All right, Andy, 67 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: you did twenty years in a prosecutor's office, so you 68 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: know of which you are talking to a great extent. 69 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: You mentioned the Eleventh Circuit. What if they uphold this ruling, 70 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: then in theory it would go all the way to 71 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. And I want to kind of just 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 1: for everybody out there who's not sitting around like analyzing 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: the legality here, you said something that I think is 74 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: so fascinating. Trump is arguing that essentially he retains executive 75 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:33,200 Speaker 1: privilege from when he was president, even if that executive privilege, 76 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: in his opinion, is contrary to what the current executive 77 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 1: ie Joe Biden, believes about executive privilege. I'm not an 78 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: expert in this realm at all. Tell us what this 79 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 1: means in layman's terms, what this battle is like potentially 80 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: at the Eleventh Circuit, and how you would handicap. What 81 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:59,880 Speaker 1: the judges there might do in terms of analyzing it, Well, 82 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 1: I think there's a very good chance Trump is going 83 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: to lose in the Eleventh Circuit, and I think he'd 84 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: probably lose in the Supreme Court. And let me explain 85 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: why the executive privilege is this idea that there has 86 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: to be confidentiality between the communications, the communications between the 87 00:05:17,720 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: president and his top advisors, and how subordinates carry those 88 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: decision making, how that gets carried out. It's a tenet 89 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: of originalist legal thinking. And I consider myself in that 90 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: school of thought. That as Justice Scalia wrote in a 91 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,559 Speaker 1: famous descent in nineteen eighty eight in a case called 92 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: Morrison v Olsen, which was a Special Council case, all 93 00:05:47,120 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 1: executive authority in the government in the Constitution is reposed 94 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: in one official, the President of the United States. Everybody 95 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: else who was in the executive branch is a delegate 96 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,039 Speaker 1: of the president power. In other words, they don't have 97 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:05,000 Speaker 1: their own power. They get to use the president's power 98 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 1: at the president's pleasure, which is why the president can 99 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 1: fire anyone he wants to fire, except the vice president, 100 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,880 Speaker 1: who's you know, separately elected under the constitution. If you 101 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 1: believe that. As I believe it, it's hard for me 102 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: to swallow the idea that a former president who has 103 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: no power not only has retains a measure of executive privilege, 104 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 1: but also has executive privilege that he can exercise against 105 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: the will of the incumbent president and the executive agencies 106 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: of the government. I think it might be arguable that 107 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: executive privilege could be exercised, say against Congress or against 108 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: you know, some freedom of information. So, so Andy, though, 109 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,120 Speaker 1: explain and this may be off and just preverym we're 110 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,840 Speaker 1: speaking to Annie McCarthy Fox News. You know him there 111 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:54,679 Speaker 1: as legal analyst, and he was at the mighty Southern 112 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 1: District of New York for twenty plus years as a 113 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 1: federal prosecutor. So, Andy, though, executive privilege is supposed to 114 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: be able to protect deliberations between a president and his 115 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 1: top advisors, right, so essentially he should be able to 116 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: have a discussion. If this ruling doesn't stand, then can't 117 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: any president say, hey, you know that stuff that you 118 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,520 Speaker 1: thought was executive privilege, I actually want access to all that. 119 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 1: My political party wants to put that on the front 120 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: pages of the New York Times. Yeah, that's why I 121 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: think Buck that Biden is being very foolish by a 122 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 1: sweeping denial that Trump has executive privilege here. I think 123 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: what Biden should have done is said, you know, look, 124 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: let's look at this document by document, and then he 125 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 1: would decide whether to support Trump on executive privilege or not, 126 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: because this shouldn't be a partisan consideration. Biden's going to 127 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 1: want to have executive privilege when he is a former president. 128 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: You know, he's going to want the incumbent president, and institutionally, 129 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: this is what's happened in the past. He's going to 130 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: want to have a situation where whoever his successor is 131 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: honors his assertion. Yeah. I mean, Andy, it sounds like 132 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 1: you're telling me that President Biden's breaking some norms here. 133 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: Oh well, yeah, yeah, but you're right. I think this 134 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 1: is really foolish. I mean, I don't think Trump should 135 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 1: be making sweeping claims of executive privilege, but neither do 136 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: I think Biden should be doing sweeping rejections. I think, 137 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: you know, there's very likely to be executive privilege material 138 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: in what the government is looking at, and I think 139 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: it was a mistake for Biden to just wagh it 140 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: without having any idea what he's waiting. Andy, you mentioned 141 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:39,720 Speaker 1: the sixty day rule, which would theoretically put a damper 142 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: on any investigation anyway. But based on this Federal District 143 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,000 Speaker 1: Court judge's ruling, there is no case here that would 144 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: be able to be prosecuted I think basically against Donald Trump. 145 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: So there, obviously, I think has to be an appeal unless, 146 00:08:59,160 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: by the way, there was some agreement that we had, 147 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: like a plea agreement behind the scenes, and they just 148 00:09:04,559 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: they didn't want to try to set any precedent going 149 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: forward Eleventh Circuit ruling. We're regardless of what the Eleventh 150 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: Circuit rules, wouldn't you think Andy, that Trump, if he lost, 151 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: would appeal it to the Supreme Court at minimum as 152 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:21,800 Speaker 1: a stall tactic. How long are we talking about this 153 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 1: process potentially playing out in your mind legally before this 154 00:09:25,960 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: issue is resolved. Yeah, See, Clay, I think that the 155 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: fact that we have to consider in connection with that 156 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: is that the Trump people waited a couple of weeks 157 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: before they sought a special master. So it's hard to 158 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,079 Speaker 1: unring that bell. You know, at this point they actually 159 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: had gone through their process of segregating privilege what they 160 00:09:49,840 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: think is privileged information and had given what they thought 161 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,959 Speaker 1: was not privileged to the investigation team. So I think 162 00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: even if this continuous to wind up the appellate courts, 163 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily mean the courts would put a stop 164 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 1: to the government's investigation. You know, they might be able to, 165 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 1: like they might be able to get vacated. The part 166 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: of Judge Cannon's ruling where she basically suspended the Justice 167 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 1: Department's use of these materials and its investigation, which you 168 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: just alluded to, that doesn't make a lot of sense 169 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: to me. I have to say at a point where 170 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: they had already completed their process, and I think you 171 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 1: know what you could say, if you're the higher courts 172 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 1: is you don't, look, they've already got the documents. If 173 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:42,200 Speaker 1: there's taint, they're already tainted. So we're not We're not 174 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:44,079 Speaker 1: going to jump the gun on that. If it turns 175 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: out down the road that they've used information that turns 176 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:50,319 Speaker 1: out to have been to have been privileged, then at 177 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: that point Trump can complain and get evidence thrown out 178 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: or do whatever is appropriate, and we'll hear that then, 179 00:10:55,880 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: but we're not going to stop them from investigating at 180 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: this point. That doesn't make it, Andy, is this, in 181 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:06,199 Speaker 1: your mind heading toward nothing burger territory? As in, they 182 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: got the docks, there's going to be some wrangling over 183 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,280 Speaker 1: the docks, but there's no further legal action of consequence. 184 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: Or in the back of your mind or maybe the 185 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 1: front of your mind, are you still thinking they may 186 00:11:16,120 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: decide right before Trump announces to run for president that 187 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: they are going to prosecute him. Well, Buck, I have 188 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: a little humility that I think the Justice Department could 189 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: actually use. So I don't assume that unnecessarily right about this, 190 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: because you know, this is a moving target and we've 191 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:34,079 Speaker 1: all had things that we've been right and wrong about. 192 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,520 Speaker 1: What the Justice Department did wrong here was they not 193 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 1: only decided that Trump had no privilege that could be 194 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: asserted against the executive branch. They was so sure about 195 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: it they didn't get a court ruling. And as a result, 196 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: I can't sit here and say that that's not that 197 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,760 Speaker 1: that necessarily ends up being a nothing burger. It could 198 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: be a nothing burger if I'm right and Trump doesn't 199 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 1: have a privilege that he can assert. Again, Oh, Andy, 200 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I meant I'm at nothing burger. In terms 201 00:12:02,920 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: of whether they're going to charge him for the classified documents, 202 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: which is kind of the you know, we're we're talking 203 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,680 Speaker 1: about here effects obviously that final decision. I'm looking even 204 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: beyond this too. Is this not going anywhere as a 205 00:12:13,760 --> 00:12:17,400 Speaker 1: criminal matter? Yeah? I think Buck, I continue to think 206 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: that the obstruction is what they're looking at. I don't 207 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: think they want to do a classified information case just 208 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: because those cases are so hard, as you know, you know, 209 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,439 Speaker 1: it's hard to do a classified information case without exposing 210 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:33,560 Speaker 1: the classified information. And if that wasn't a problem, this 211 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: wouldn't be criminal activity right in the first place. I 212 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: think if they go after him for obstruction, I could 213 00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 1: see them throwing in the presidential records because that doesn't 214 00:12:45,520 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: raise any you know, security problem, And they can do 215 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 1: the obstruction without identifying what's in the classified documents, because 216 00:12:53,800 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what they say if he you know, 217 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: if they if they're going to say he tried to 218 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: conceal them, or if the issue is even like whether 219 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 1: they were classified or not. That goes to whether you know, 220 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: he did the things that you would need to do 221 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 1: to declassify them. Doesn't matter what's in him. But if 222 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,720 Speaker 1: you start making the counts about the classified information. I 223 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: just think that, you know, you run into the old 224 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: gray mail problem where the defendant says, I can't defend 225 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,239 Speaker 1: myself without getting into what's in the substance of the documents. 226 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 1: So I don't really think they want to do that case. 227 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: And I've always thought that if they can, if there's 228 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: any January sixth information in what they seized, I think 229 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: they would use that, because they're definitely trying to make 230 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:38,440 Speaker 1: a January sixth case. Whether this advance is that or not, 231 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: we don't know. Right Andy, this feels like legal trench 232 00:13:42,360 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: warfare that we have officially entered, which is why I'm 233 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 1: kind of focused on the time frame. So last dual 234 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: question here for you, how long does this process play out? 235 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: It feels to me like this is years, not days 236 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: or weeks. And how ultimately, from your perspective, did they 237 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: get over the decision not to charge Hillary Clinton with, 238 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: Let's be honest, something that arguably is much worse, considering 239 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: those were electronic documents that could have been easier to transfer, 240 00:14:13,440 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: and she certainly doesn't have the presidential privileges arguments that 241 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump would be able to apply here. I'm curious 242 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 1: legally the precedent of Hillary, how does that play out, 243 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: and ultimately what is the time frame that we are 244 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:32,360 Speaker 1: looking at here? Two things. One, I think the Hillary 245 00:14:32,400 --> 00:14:37,160 Speaker 1: thing will weigh heavily on Garland because the issue here 246 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: is not just whether there are crimes, but whether it's 247 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: appropriate under all the circumstances to bring charges here. And 248 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 1: I think the country's already on fire with the idea 249 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: quite appropriately that we have a two tiered justice system 250 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,800 Speaker 1: that would fuel that in a way that we haven't 251 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 1: even seen up until now. So that should be something 252 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: that weighs on them heavily. As far as how long 253 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: it'll take play, I think the Democrats like this. You know, 254 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: the last four weeks, while Trump is front and center, 255 00:15:04,520 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, Biden's numbers have picked up a bit, 256 00:15:07,240 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: you know, the Democratic Congress's prospects have picked up a 257 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: little bit as far as the midterms are concerned. So 258 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,520 Speaker 1: I think anything that makes Trump front and center and 259 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: takes attention away from Biden and what you do into 260 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: the country is helpful to them. And that kind of 261 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: plays into legal proceedings because, as you know, you can 262 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: drag this out for a long time, no doubt, Andy, 263 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: We appreciate the time. 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She was training for marathons. She did early 335 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 1: morning jogs because she wanted to be able to I 336 00:19:41,160 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: don't know her full routine, but I do have a 337 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: wife who is trained for marathons. And in the South, 338 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,199 Speaker 1: in the summer in particular, it is super hot, and 339 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: if you have a job and you have young children, 340 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: sometimes you have to get up really early in the 341 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: morning to be able to get in long runs outdoor. 342 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: So this mom of two, school teacher in the Memphis 343 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 1: area young kids, she's out for a jog. It's four 344 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: thirty in the morning. She is by the University of 345 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:18,720 Speaker 1: Memphis's campus and she is attacked and assaulted by a 346 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 1: man who kidnaps and kills her. The man who kidnapped 347 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: and killed her was out of jail early. He did 348 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:33,040 Speaker 1: not fulfill the full terms of his sentence in the 349 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:36,960 Speaker 1: state of Tennessee that would have required him to still 350 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: be in jail where he had previously kidnapped a man. 351 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: A lawyer in Memphis put him in the trunk and 352 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: drove that man around, requiring him to withdraw money from 353 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,639 Speaker 1: a variety of ATM machines until that man was able 354 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: to escape. He was released from prison in November of 355 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:01,479 Speaker 1: twenty twenty, and he's been charged with first degree murder. 356 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: This man has for killing this young mother of two. Buck, 357 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: I think one reason why this story again, her name 358 00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 1: is Eliza Fletcher. I would encourage you guys google her. 359 00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 1: She appears to have been a fantastic mother, wife, school teacher, 360 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: array of sunshine in the world in which she lived. 361 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: And I think one reason Buck, this is connecting with 362 00:21:28,040 --> 00:21:30,719 Speaker 1: so many people viscerally, and I know many of you 363 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 1: out there have been following this story. They've been looking 364 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:34,840 Speaker 1: for her body, they've been trying to figure out what 365 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:38,560 Speaker 1: happened to her is because it is a perfect approximation 366 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,399 Speaker 1: of a random act of violence that should have never 367 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: been able to be perpetrated against anyone. A young mom 368 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: is out for a jog, training for a marathon, two 369 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: young kids, school teacher, husband back home early in the morning. 370 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: She's trying to fit in all the things in her life, 371 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: and she is attacked and brutally murdered in a totally 372 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,800 Speaker 1: senseless and random act of violence by someone who should 373 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: have never been on the streets. There were policy decisions 374 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: that not only this hainous incident, this hainous crime, but 375 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,840 Speaker 1: in so many others like it across the country, made 376 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: this tragedy possible. Democrats have been pushing for early release, 377 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 1: pushing for ending mass incarceration. These are decisions that they 378 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 1: made based in ideology, based in the sense that the 379 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: criminal justice system is racist, that the best way to 380 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: address what they claim is the racism of the system 381 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: is to lower prosecution rates, lower incarceration terms, let people 382 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: out earlier and effectively side with criminals as much as 383 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,440 Speaker 1: possible in the criminal justice system. That is a shift 384 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,920 Speaker 1: that has been occurring now for years. In the last 385 00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: couple of years, we have seen the numbers reflect what 386 00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 1: that act really means. I saw an ad over the week, 387 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:04,400 Speaker 1: and I'm trying to remember what group put it out, 388 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,199 Speaker 1: but it got it went viral, It got a lot 389 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 1: of attention, Clay, and it was just showing all of 390 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 1: the crime that's been occurring in cities across the country 391 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 1: in broad daylight. I mean, really brazen, awful, violent crime 392 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:24,119 Speaker 1: going on in cities across the country. And where do 393 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: you see Democrats focusing more attention Donald Trump's documents, habits, 394 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: or stopping crime in major cities that are at all times. 395 00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:38,480 Speaker 1: Look at what's going on in Seattle. I think Seattle 396 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: just is on track for its most violent year ever. 397 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: Portland is on track for its most violent year ever. 398 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,000 Speaker 1: Philadelphia is on track for its most violent year ever. 399 00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 1: These are This means hundreds and hundreds of people killed 400 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: beyond what had been the case in an average year 401 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 1: in these in these cities, because Democrats feel better about themselves, 402 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: they feel anti racist by pushing these policies. They think 403 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: they're being heroes and they're pushing for civil rights or whatever, 404 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: by limiting the terms that people serve for violent crimes, 405 00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 1: by undermining the will of state legislatures in many places. 406 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: And how many of these stragedies do we have to 407 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 1: go through before people realize if they don't change the system, 408 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: we will have more of this, more of these horrible incidents, 409 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: more of these You know, it's it's the person who 410 00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: is who is assaulted or in this case killed after 411 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: being kidnapped. It's also the family that's shattered. I mean, 412 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: I think for all the shootings that occur in a place, 413 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 1: let's say Philadelphia, where they're going to have their worst 414 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: year ever for murders, it's going to be hundreds of murders, 415 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,920 Speaker 1: it's thousands and thousands of people whose lives are shattered. 416 00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: It's it's businesses on the street where a shooting occurs. 417 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:56,359 Speaker 1: Let's say, where a drive by occurs that knows that 418 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,160 Speaker 1: they have to leave the neighbor, they have to close 419 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,919 Speaker 1: it down. It's the urban decay that was results. And 420 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: what do democrats do when we say we need to 421 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: back police, we need to crack down. You know what 422 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:10,879 Speaker 1: they do. They sneer and say that's racist. You know, 423 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: I think it's racist to leave minority communities to suffer 424 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:19,119 Speaker 1: from the idiotic Democrat policies and not to recognize men 425 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: as I said Clay in New York City, they can 426 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,680 Speaker 1: break it down. You know, five thousand people in New York, 427 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: give or take, are the repeat violent offenders. There are 428 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,680 Speaker 1: two million black residents of New York City. Yep. Just so, 429 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: do we want to just keep the ninety nine point 430 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 1: nine percent safe or do we want to focus in 431 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: on disparate impact and what makes social justice warriors feel 432 00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: good about themselves. Arguing that you're too nice to criminals 433 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 1: is a luxury of a low crime environment, and we 434 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:52,240 Speaker 1: are not in a low crime environment. And I know 435 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: there are so many moms out there that saw this 436 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: story and what happened to this young mom and thought 437 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: that could have been me. I'm up early running in 438 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:07,200 Speaker 1: my neighborhood. At any point someone can pull off on 439 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: the side of the road and grab me like happened 440 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: to this poor mom. Eliza Fletcher. I do want to 441 00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:17,119 Speaker 1: mention the speaker of the Tennessee House reached out to 442 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: me about this case because it has resonated certainly around 443 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: the nation, but in the state of Tennessee in a 444 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:28,080 Speaker 1: major way. And Speaker Cameron Sexton, I'm going to try 445 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: to get him on maybe to talk about this case 446 00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,720 Speaker 1: later this week, Buck, because I do think there's a 447 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: lot of interest. He said, this year we passed one 448 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: hundred percent sentencing for violent criminals in Tennessee. This guy 449 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 1: would have still been in jail under the truth in 450 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 1: Sentencing bill that had been pushed. This mom would still 451 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: be alive. How many people out there are like Eliza Fletcher, Buck, thousands, 452 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,800 Speaker 1: maybe even tens of thousands now of people who would 453 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:03,760 Speaker 1: be alive if the violent criminals who took their lives 454 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: had been kept behind bars. The cops know, Buck, you 455 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: just mentioned it. They know who the bad guys are. 456 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: We've got to let them go after the bad guys, 457 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: and when we catch them, we got to put them 458 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: away behind bars, and we got to throw away the 459 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:20,639 Speaker 1: damn key. This being concerned about being too mean to 460 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: criminals business. It is inexcusable. This defund the police argument. 461 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:29,399 Speaker 1: It is indefensible. And I'm there being tens of thousands 462 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: of Eliza Fletchers all over this country. A hundred percent, honest, 463 00:27:33,280 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: one hundred percent did nothing wrong. Victims of senseless violence. 464 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 1: And as you mentioned, Buck, the families will never recover 465 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: from this. Never will these little boys who grow up 466 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 1: without their mom, husband, all of her family, the kids 467 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 1: that she would have taught in school and raised up 468 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: to be better. They will never recover from this loss. 469 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: And it should have never happened. There is blood on 470 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: the hands of anyone who allowed this to occur and 471 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:02,440 Speaker 1: continues to allow it to occur. I mean, Democrats were 472 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,680 Speaker 1: serious about addressing the issue, they would admit that many 473 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,000 Speaker 1: of the things that they've been pushing for, bail reform, 474 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,680 Speaker 1: I mean, go down the whole list, all these things, 475 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,240 Speaker 1: they have not made us safer. They have made things 476 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 1: less safe, and more people have been the victims of 477 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,360 Speaker 1: violent crime, have been raped, have been murdered. That has 478 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: happened because of their stupid ideas. Yes, and it happened 479 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: so that people like Nancy Pelosi, who live in fifteen 480 00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: million dollar mansions in the Bay Area with security everywhere, 481 00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,360 Speaker 1: can feel good about themselves. For the rest of us, 482 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: there needs to be the reckoning you and I have 483 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: talked about so much on the crime issue alone, Democrats 484 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: deserve to lose their jobs in elected office, to lose 485 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,960 Speaker 1: the power that they accrued in twenty twenty, while the 486 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: country was under durests from the BLM riots that they 487 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: were supporting, by the way, and have still never condemned 488 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 1: and never said yeah, maybe that was a little too far. 489 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: In fact, as we know, that led directly to the 490 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,600 Speaker 1: massive increase in murders, assaults, burglary, steps, you name it 491 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: we've been living through in this country for the last 492 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: two years. Undermining cops became a way for Democrats to 493 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 1: pander to their base, and they did it as a party. 494 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,960 Speaker 1: They've never backed down from it. Eliza Fletcher would still 495 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: be alive if your politicians did their job and kept 496 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: violent criminals behind bars. And she is emblematic of what 497 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:21,719 Speaker 1: is occurring far too often all over this country. Crime 498 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 1: completely out of control. We got to put people behind 499 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: bars and let the good guys, that is the cops, 500 00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: lock up the bad guys and support them to duced 501 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:34,720 Speaker 1: period guys. Back in the day, the debate in America 502 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,400 Speaker 1: was about which policies to pursue to improve this great 503 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: country we all love. Too often today we find ourselves 504 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: arguing about whether our country is even great at all. 505 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 1: That's a real argument, and it's happening in more places 506 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: than it should be. The reason for this is simple. 507 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: For too many years, too many of our schools have 508 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 1: been neglecting to teach young Americans about America's great heritage 509 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:59,560 Speaker 1: of liberty. Instead, students are presented with a dishonest narrative 510 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,080 Speaker 1: of America as a fundamentally unjust and racist country. 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That's Clay and Buck four Hillsdale 520 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: dot com. Welcome back to Clay and Buck. We are 521 00:30:39,040 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: going to break down some of the latest bidenisms coming 522 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,479 Speaker 1: up here in a few moments, and the rhetoric from 523 00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, the people that tell you all the overheated 524 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: Trump Maga rhetoric. You know, we gotta tell them that 525 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,560 Speaker 1: stuff down then Torno's sake, because you guys are a 526 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,240 Speaker 1: bunch of Nazis. It's like, whoa hold on a second, 527 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,480 Speaker 1: I'm picking up something here. It feels a little weird 528 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,320 Speaker 1: when you're telling us we need to calm down, but 529 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: then you're calling us a bunch of Nazis or semi 530 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: fascists or whatever. The latest is there. And also I 531 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: think things are moving the right direction right now. For 532 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: this midterm election. We'll dive into some of the close contests. 533 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: I mean, Fetterman, Uh, Fetterman is he's they're doing the 534 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: Bernie not Bernie Sanders weekend at Bernie's, the weekend at 535 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: Bernie's routine where they're just he's just gonna get pushed along, 536 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: doesn't have to say anything. Just just vote for the 537 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: guy you know who looks like he works at the 538 00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 1: steel mill. Yeah, just vote for that guy. It's so 539 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:40,160 Speaker 1: condescending to have a guy whose parents pay his bills, 540 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:44,719 Speaker 1: but where's a slumpy sweatshirt? He's working class? Like the 541 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 1: whole thing is just he's such a phony just like 542 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, by the way, but this was great. The 543 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: opposite of a you know, lumpy sweatshirt would be shopping 544 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 1: at the very high end department store Nordstrom's. Yeah. I 545 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,360 Speaker 1: think I've been in one once in my life. My 546 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: wife loves Norton. There's no telling how much money I've 547 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: by eye, I mean, my wife has spent in nordstrom 548 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: over the years. I've been spending more time, you know, 549 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: when when when Carrie wants to go into a boutique 550 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,760 Speaker 1: or something, I find the fiance slash boyfriend slash husband 551 00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: chair and just sit down. I hop, I hop on 552 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: the Twitter lub. You know, I've learned. Yeah, I've learned 553 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 1: my lesson. This is how it goes. But here is 554 00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 1: Kari Jean Pierre talking about, you know, the latest international 555 00:32:30,120 --> 00:32:34,320 Speaker 1: energy policy, etc. Including the well you'll hear it from her. 556 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 1: So you've heard us say this that what what we 557 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,720 Speaker 1: see Russia's doing, and we've been very clear about this 558 00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: is that they're using energy, they're weaponizing energy, and it's 559 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 1: choosing to to One of the things that has been 560 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: out there to shut down the pipeline of Nordstrom one 561 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: the Nordstrom pipeline, which clay if you are worried about 562 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 1: getting your Manola Blois and your Ralph Lauren purple lay 563 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: bowl and you your high end cut on your bond 564 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,680 Speaker 1: number nine. My wife like this, Yeah, you need the 565 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: Nordstrom pipeline to be open, not to be confused with 566 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,680 Speaker 1: the energy pipeline known as the nord Stream the nord 567 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:21,360 Speaker 1: Stream pipeline. Yes, I M this is funny, and I 568 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: am certainly not the king of pronunciations, but you would 569 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,640 Speaker 1: think that. What amazes me about Karine Jean Pierre is 570 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: Karne Jean Pierre ever you pronounce her name KGP KJP 571 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: is she gets asked the most expected questions that are 572 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,959 Speaker 1: possibly imaginable. Buck you and I could if we were 573 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 1: White House Communications advisor director there or whatever. We're walking 574 00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: out to talk to everybody. There's ten questions you can 575 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: expect if you suddenly get asked about, I don't know 576 00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 1: what's going on in Madagascar with coastal battles between developers 577 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,440 Speaker 1: and natives or something, And I just made that up, 578 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: but probably that happens. Maybe you don't have a great 579 00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: answer for it. This is a big deal. Europe is 580 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: in the midst of an energy crisis. You know you're 581 00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: going to get asked about it, and you managed to 582 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,879 Speaker 1: say Nordstrom instead of the actual pipeline. If we don't 583 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,799 Speaker 1: open the Nordstrom pipeline, think of all of the upper 584 00:34:21,920 --> 00:34:24,839 Speaker 1: middle class women who are going to be wearing last 585 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,960 Speaker 1: seasons shoes. They are going to be stuck with high 586 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,759 Speaker 1: waisted jeans. Highwaisted jeans are on the way out out 587 00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: and the mob jeans are finally done. You need to 588 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: open the Nordstrom pipeline asap or else the fashion crimes 589 00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: will be remarkable. Nordstrom stock has been taken it on 590 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 1: the chin lately. Now they're getting called out in the 591 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: White House. Wouldn't have anticipated this Seattle based company, if 592 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,719 Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken, Thanks to everybody out there listening to 593 00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:59,960 Speaker 1: us in Seattle that is struggling because people can't afford 594 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: to go into nordstroom anymore. Even and they were one 595 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: of the places buck to tie all this together with 596 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 1: the crime discussion. They were one of the places that 597 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,040 Speaker 1: was getting organized shoplifting because of people would steal a 598 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in one in one uh felt all 599 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:19,720 Speaker 1: of the high end things that they sell people will 600 00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,600 Speaker 1: storm in. So maybe they need the Nordstrom pipeline to 601 00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:24,319 Speaker 1: be able to make up for all the money they're 602 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: losing in theft. Kevin and Minnesota has some thoughts on crime. 603 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 1: Minneapolis has been having a rough time last couple of years. 604 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: What's up, Kevin, Well, I listen to this, it's just 605 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: I'm speechless. Well, this guy gets away in Tennessee this 606 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: year in Minnesota, I know for a fact, there's been 607 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,080 Speaker 1: at least three or four people. I know there was 608 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,799 Speaker 1: a cult shot right on the freeway that can be 609 00:35:50,160 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: directly tied to this bailout reform, which is so called 610 00:35:56,160 --> 00:36:00,880 Speaker 1: squad the Vice President herself. I mean, this is literally 611 00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 1: blood on their hands and nobody, nobody is holding them accountable. 612 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: You know, it's amazing because it played the night Thanks 613 00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: for calling in, Kevin. The nineteen nineties crime bill that 614 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,200 Speaker 1: Joe Biden, you know, played a major roland when he 615 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,520 Speaker 1: was in the Senate. The one thing that he did 616 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: that was actually good. He repudiated entirely to run for 617 00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:24,000 Speaker 1: president all of a sudden. Being tough on crime if 618 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,239 Speaker 1: you're a Democrat was racist, and so what he did 619 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,040 Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties, he was like Wow. I was like, 620 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, it's a bad idea then, and actually we 621 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,880 Speaker 1: need a major national crime bill right now to address 622 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: violent crime. That would be helpful. Remember the Wall Street 623 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:39,680 Speaker 1: Journal had a great piece buck about who was committing 624 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: murders and was it ninety percent of the murders that 625 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,959 Speaker 1: had been committed in Baltimore, if I'm remembering correctly, were 626 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 1: by people who should have still been in prison. Yep. 627 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: In other words, if we just kept criminals behind bars, 628 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,600 Speaker 1: much of the crime would cease to exist.