1
00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:03,320
Speaker 1: First question we asked everybody was for you, who was

2
00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:05,240
Speaker 1: the first picture to bust your.

3
00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:09,440
Speaker 2: We ain't never asked any about a way on the

4
00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:14,000
Speaker 2: show the first wow and were taking them back.

5
00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:20,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm older than y'all going back. I think man

6
00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:24,880
Speaker 3: facing I faced Randy Johnson earlier in my career. You guys,

7
00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,720
Speaker 3: Randy Johnson, Roger Clemens. I mean, these are guys that

8
00:00:28,760 --> 00:00:30,960
Speaker 3: were intimidating. We were talking about this a little earlier.

9
00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,040
Speaker 3: But you know, the game's a little different now. But

10
00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:36,760
Speaker 3: back then, you know, you playing all star games and

11
00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,920
Speaker 3: pictures wouldn't speak to you. They wanted to Rocket especially,

12
00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,000
Speaker 3: he would try to intimidate you. You know, you wouldn't

13
00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:45,239
Speaker 3: look at you, you wouldn't say hello. And he's a

14
00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,280
Speaker 3: big boy, you know.

15
00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:48,760
Speaker 2: So it's remind me like Major League, like how it

16
00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,839
Speaker 2: really was like.

17
00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:54,760
Speaker 3: Between people, And give you a funny story with Roger Clemens. Now,

18
00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,240
Speaker 3: Rocket would he would hit you with no hesitation. He

19
00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:01,920
Speaker 3: would hit you. Everybody say, well, just charge him mounts

20
00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,319
Speaker 3: about six five by two fifty like a monster. It's

21
00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:09,679
Speaker 3: not so easily charge amount and then plus in baseball

22
00:01:09,680 --> 00:01:12,520
Speaker 3: if you charge them mound. You got to picture four infielders,

23
00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:14,560
Speaker 3: a catcher all on top of you before you even

24
00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:15,360
Speaker 3: teammates show up.

25
00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:18,360
Speaker 2: So never really thought about the whole dynamic of it

26
00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:20,560
Speaker 2: because I just thought, if I get hit, I'm going crazy.

27
00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,040
Speaker 2: That's why I didn't play baseball growing up. I tried

28
00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,640
Speaker 2: to play like and as soon as I got hit

29
00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,920
Speaker 2: by the ball, I say, I'm cool. I'm not. I'm

30
00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,400
Speaker 2: not I'm tough. I'm not that type of tough. I'm

31
00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,440
Speaker 2: gonna play basketball.

32
00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,240
Speaker 3: So we're facing Roger Clemens in the spring training game.

33
00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:37,520
Speaker 3: It's a spring training game, so it's like exhibition. It

34
00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,240
Speaker 3: doesn't it doesn't count, right, So our picture hit. Uh,

35
00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:45,600
Speaker 3: the Blue Jays shortstop hit him in the shoulder, I

36
00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:48,040
Speaker 3: think in the spring training game. Now, and I'm coming

37
00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,080
Speaker 3: up leading off the next thinging I know, I know,

38
00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:55,600
Speaker 3: he comes gets me square in my chest. Spring training.

39
00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,960
Speaker 2: So tell me this, like, okay, so when when your

40
00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,640
Speaker 2: guy hit him, you knew then I'm about to get hit.

41
00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:03,960
Speaker 4: I'm leading off for you know how this goes like?

42
00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:04,600
Speaker 1: So what it is like?

43
00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:07,520
Speaker 4: How like dynamic? How was that the dynamic?

44
00:02:07,560 --> 00:02:13,120
Speaker 3: That's that was the dynamic? That was a dynamic. Nowadays,

45
00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,240
Speaker 3: people get hit at the end.

46
00:02:14,200 --> 00:02:14,560
Speaker 1: Of the world.

47
00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,320
Speaker 2: But it was a dynamic and that was just like

48
00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:20,480
Speaker 2: an unwritten rule, you know, coming and you get hit,

49
00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:21,799
Speaker 2: you go to first base.

50
00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:21,760
Speaker 1: You know.

51
00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,280
Speaker 4: Wow, Yo yo yo.

52
00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:29,239
Speaker 2: We finally back live on location in person for real.

53
00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:30,000
Speaker 4: Y'all see him.

54
00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,880
Speaker 2: I could touch him, I could touch him on those screens.

55
00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:34,799
Speaker 4: It's live on location. Man.

56
00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:37,720
Speaker 2: We down here in Mike Jammie Floorida at the mall

57
00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,160
Speaker 2: with the al Cappy tying the boss man. We got

58
00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:45,000
Speaker 2: dig Jed and the good Man. Y'all already know the resume.

59
00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,040
Speaker 2: Five time World Series went up for a teen time

60
00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,400
Speaker 2: all start, five time Golden Gloves shortstop. You know what

61
00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,800
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. Rookie of the Year, you feel me,

62
00:02:54,560 --> 00:02:59,520
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer and he bossed the players tribute right

63
00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:02,200
Speaker 2: here all like m vps. Everything man, y'all tuned in

64
00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:05,920
Speaker 2: is live and living color man. We're here, live on location,

65
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,320
Speaker 2: man in them Jeter, yep.

66
00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,280
Speaker 1: First, I gotta apologize to my Cardinals fans. You know,

67
00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. If you know, it's just Jeter, you know,

68
00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,400
Speaker 1: die hard Cardinal red verse as.

69
00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,360
Speaker 3: We don't get mad at you know, yeah, they don't

70
00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:36,240
Speaker 3: get mad, don't boo.

71
00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,800
Speaker 2: Anybody see my Cubs and White side.

72
00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,640
Speaker 1: But thank you for coming on the show man. We

73
00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:52,520
Speaker 1: really really appreciate it. Yeah, really appreciated. Thank you, man.

74
00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:55,720
Speaker 1: This is a blessing for us and we we're just

75
00:03:55,760 --> 00:03:56,440
Speaker 1: happy to be here.

76
00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:57,120
Speaker 4: It's on.

77
00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,200
Speaker 2: You're right, The first baseball player we ever talked to

78
00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:01,320
Speaker 2: had to be the man in the myth, the legend.

79
00:04:01,000 --> 00:04:04,240
Speaker 3: You know that first against baseball players.

80
00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:07,880
Speaker 4: You know, we had to if we were gonna do it.

81
00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,560
Speaker 2: We felt we had to have the right connectivity in

82
00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:12,560
Speaker 2: the right lane and the right avenue and who.

83
00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,040
Speaker 3: Better appreciate appreciate.

84
00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,960
Speaker 1: And our Jordan Brand brother.

85
00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:19,120
Speaker 4: You know we're gonna touch on that. Believe that.

86
00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,279
Speaker 1: So Michigan and Jersey back and forth every year. Who's

87
00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,120
Speaker 1: the who's the guys you've seen? When you came up,

88
00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:28,560
Speaker 1: it was like, man, I want to be like that guy.

89
00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:31,200
Speaker 1: I want to hit or catch or you know what

90
00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:33,440
Speaker 1: I'm saying, or play the field like that guy.

91
00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,640
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's I was a Yankee fan, okay.

92
00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:39,839
Speaker 3: You know, my mother has thirteen brothers and sisters, So

93
00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,680
Speaker 3: I used to spend every summer in New Jersey at

94
00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:45,080
Speaker 3: my grandparents' house. My grandmother's huge Yankee fan, So I

95
00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,159
Speaker 3: used to stay with her. That's how I was introduced

96
00:04:47,200 --> 00:04:49,440
Speaker 3: to the Yankees. And my dad was a shortstop. He

97
00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,760
Speaker 3: went to Fisk University in Tennessee. So I wanted to

98
00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:54,599
Speaker 3: be my dad, So I want to be shortstopped for

99
00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,760
Speaker 3: the Yankees. So I just looked up to the Yankees

100
00:04:57,800 --> 00:05:01,080
Speaker 3: man Dave Winfield was my guy. Okay, outfielder, but there

101
00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:04,360
Speaker 3: is my guy drafted all three sports. Still this the

102
00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,920
Speaker 3: only person all three sports crazy.

103
00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:07,840
Speaker 4: I didn't even know that.

104
00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he was was he was crazy.

105
00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:14,360
Speaker 4: Now that's wild.

106
00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,200
Speaker 1: So in high school they say you was throwing like

107
00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:21,360
Speaker 1: ninety one miles a hour to the first basement from

108
00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:22,880
Speaker 1: short How did you?

109
00:05:23,520 --> 00:05:25,040
Speaker 3: How did you?

110
00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:27,200
Speaker 1: How you get up to that? Like how you get

111
00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:29,440
Speaker 1: up to just throwing that hard and they're not putting

112
00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:30,120
Speaker 1: you at picture?

113
00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:30,920
Speaker 4: Yeah?

114
00:05:30,920 --> 00:05:33,800
Speaker 3: I tried. I wanted to hit. I never wanted to

115
00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:35,480
Speaker 3: be a picture. I wanted to I wanted to play

116
00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,799
Speaker 3: every day. So I mean I used to throw it hard,

117
00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:42,080
Speaker 3: but I threw it all over the place, so I

118
00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,760
Speaker 3: wasn't I wasn't too accurate with that ninety one across

119
00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,960
Speaker 3: the field. But I just like to hit. And you

120
00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,680
Speaker 3: know a picture the pictures, you know, you play once

121
00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:55,480
Speaker 3: every five days. Basketball players too, and player every day.

122
00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,119
Speaker 3: I mean we play every single day. It's one hundred

123
00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,320
Speaker 3: and sixty two games plus thirty in spring training. That's

124
00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:03,760
Speaker 3: before it even counts in the postseason. We played a

125
00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:04,279
Speaker 3: lot of games.

126
00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,240
Speaker 1: I definitely feel that you played AAU basketball.

127
00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:11,760
Speaker 3: Did Why you laugh? You know, there's these nasty rumors

128
00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,520
Speaker 3: going around with Jalen Rose.

129
00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,119
Speaker 2: That you know, you a fool.

130
00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,120
Speaker 4: I know you probably talked bad about it.

131
00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:22,360
Speaker 1: I heard you ran into Chris Webber and Jalen Rose

132
00:06:22,400 --> 00:06:25,320
Speaker 1: doing your aust.

133
00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:26,000
Speaker 3: You know, every once in a while you need to

134
00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,200
Speaker 3: just sit down and realize that this is not the

135
00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:32,160
Speaker 3: sport this half I should be taken right now. So

136
00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,800
Speaker 3: you know, I played basketball. I played AAU and Kalamazoo Michigan.

137
00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,480
Speaker 3: So you know, when you you start playing against guys

138
00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:41,799
Speaker 3: like this man, it's like this man, it's just playing

139
00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:42,320
Speaker 3: it for fun.

140
00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:45,840
Speaker 2: So is that the point where you started to be like,

141
00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,479
Speaker 2: I probably need to focus a little bit more on

142
00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,240
Speaker 2: base you know, when I'm a lot better at that

143
00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:50,760
Speaker 2: or whatever.

144
00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:55,040
Speaker 3: How prod were you when I when I played against them?

145
00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,240
Speaker 3: Five too? I'm just playing. I'm just playing. I was

146
00:06:58,240 --> 00:06:59,400
Speaker 3: a little taller than that, but.

147
00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,840
Speaker 4: I know both of you don't like the big boys.

148
00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,160
Speaker 3: Yeah it was Jayalen, but Shan Leonard.

149
00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:06,640
Speaker 2: See, this is the team we talked about, the cheating teams,

150
00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:09,760
Speaker 2: Juan Howard. They had Sean Resper.

151
00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:13,200
Speaker 4: He knows so many different people. I did get all

152
00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:13,560
Speaker 4: of them.

153
00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:18,120
Speaker 2: But yes, but Sean was the first person in the

154
00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,520
Speaker 2: NBA to buss my So that's my full accountability and

155
00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,360
Speaker 2: seeing that out front, so I know he could hoop.

156
00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,920
Speaker 2: This was later but people may not. You know, the

157
00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,120
Speaker 2: name might not pop, but the boy was balling. He

158
00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:28,840
Speaker 2: was a problem.

159
00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,280
Speaker 3: But that was my reminder to go back to the

160
00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:35,960
Speaker 3: career path I always wanted to in baseball.

161
00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,560
Speaker 1: Like coming out of high school as a baseball player,

162
00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,640
Speaker 1: it's different than coming out of high school as a basketball.

163
00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,360
Speaker 2: Y'all the same a little bit that relationship.

164
00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,440
Speaker 1: You just don't go straight to the big leagues. You

165
00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,440
Speaker 1: go to minor leagues. And in basketball, they don't really

166
00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:50,880
Speaker 1: give you that process. They just kind of lately started

167
00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:54,200
Speaker 1: building the G League and different things. How was that

168
00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,960
Speaker 1: process knowing that, like, oh, I got drafted, but it's

169
00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:59,560
Speaker 1: like I got to start all the way over and

170
00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,400
Speaker 1: what I built all the way in high school to

171
00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:03,680
Speaker 1: get to where I'm at to prove again that I

172
00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:06,040
Speaker 1: can play the big league with the big game.

173
00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,720
Speaker 3: Before that, right, no, I would I signed to go

174
00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,800
Speaker 3: play at University of Michigan. I went, actually took class

175
00:08:11,800 --> 00:08:14,520
Speaker 3: at the University of Michigan after I started my professional

176
00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:17,520
Speaker 3: career in the offseason. But but you make a good point.

177
00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you watch a high school basketball

178
00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,600
Speaker 3: player and they get drafted right to the NBA Baseball

179
00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:26,560
Speaker 3: you disappear. You know, you disappear for three, four five

180
00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:28,880
Speaker 3: years if you're lucky, you know what I mean. So

181
00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:32,679
Speaker 3: I came up from a small town Kalamazoo, Michigan, and

182
00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,959
Speaker 3: you know, you think you can play, and you're playing

183
00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:37,400
Speaker 3: against the best players in Kalamazoo, and all of a sudden,

184
00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,440
Speaker 3: now you're a professional. You're playing against the best players

185
00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,640
Speaker 3: not only just in the country, but in the world.

186
00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,679
Speaker 3: I was completely overmatched, you know, So I needed most

187
00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:49,240
Speaker 3: all high school players need to go to the minor

188
00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,719
Speaker 3: leagues and develop. When you're playing this sport, it's a

189
00:08:51,760 --> 00:08:53,600
Speaker 3: tough sport to play every day. Man, it's a game

190
00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,000
Speaker 3: of failure more than any other sport.

191
00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,880
Speaker 2: That was one of the things that when I looked

192
00:08:57,920 --> 00:08:59,600
Speaker 2: at it. I was like, I don't want my kids

193
00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:02,480
Speaker 2: to play that because I feel like what you say

194
00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,400
Speaker 2: is like to me and I don't play baseball. I

195
00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,600
Speaker 2: haven't known really people who went through that process, but

196
00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,480
Speaker 2: for me, just now it's HOWE looking me in. It's

197
00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:13,040
Speaker 2: way easier for us. Like you said, you guys like

198
00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:16,640
Speaker 2: I use him as an example. He blew up at

199
00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,560
Speaker 2: the right time, like he had a great high school career,

200
00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,439
Speaker 2: but like you would agree to it toward the end

201
00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:22,480
Speaker 2: of your year, once you got to all American games,

202
00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:24,319
Speaker 2: that's what put you over the top, like I'm gone,

203
00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,840
Speaker 2: Like they were already coming all during the year, but

204
00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:29,160
Speaker 2: once he went to the McDonald's and those games, it's

205
00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,160
Speaker 2: like stamped it because he showed out there and it

206
00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,600
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, now he should be top five.

207
00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,280
Speaker 2: So for you guys like he come right in and play,

208
00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:37,959
Speaker 2: and you see all of the guys come right in

209
00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:40,760
Speaker 2: and play. For you, it's like like you said, you disappear.

210
00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:43,000
Speaker 2: You was the number six pick. So it's like for

211
00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,120
Speaker 2: me as a I'm like, I don't want that. I

212
00:09:45,120 --> 00:09:45,920
Speaker 2: want my kid.

213
00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:47,640
Speaker 4: I want to be able to go right ahead.

214
00:09:47,920 --> 00:09:49,280
Speaker 3: You know, I'll tell you what man. I mean he's

215
00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,880
Speaker 3: just getting a little deeper. But you talk about, you know,

216
00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,200
Speaker 3: the sport of baseball. They talk about more kids playing baseball.

217
00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:59,400
Speaker 3: The kids nowadays are in the instant gratification, right. You

218
00:09:59,400 --> 00:10:02,960
Speaker 3: see a kid and playing college basketball. Next year they're

219
00:10:02,960 --> 00:10:06,080
Speaker 3: in the NBA college football, next year you're in the NFL.

220
00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,800
Speaker 3: You see them in college baseball. Like I said, you

221
00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,559
Speaker 3: know what I mean. In my mind, you know, no disrespect.

222
00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:14,480
Speaker 3: I think it's the greatest sport in the world. Baseball

223
00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,920
Speaker 3: it's like life. Every single day you're gonna get beat up.

224
00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:20,839
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna fail if you failed seventy percent

225
00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,440
Speaker 3: of the time, and you're a Hall of Famer.

226
00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,120
Speaker 1: I had a guy that went to school with me.

227
00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,760
Speaker 1: He was throwing like ninety three miles per hour. He

228
00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,560
Speaker 1: went straight out of high school. He got drafted and

229
00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:33,000
Speaker 1: he used to like to hit. But he was saying

230
00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:36,120
Speaker 1: it was like, it's so crazy in the mono leagues

231
00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,080
Speaker 1: because everybody want to get called up for the big shot.

232
00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,840
Speaker 1: And it's like the pictures they throwing different than the

233
00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,320
Speaker 1: regular picture would throw. You know what I'm saying. The

234
00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,559
Speaker 1: guys are trying to hit the ball and do a

235
00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:49,439
Speaker 1: lot more in that sense, How was the monor leagues

236
00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:52,320
Speaker 1: for you? Because like he got beamed so many times

237
00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,760
Speaker 1: because they didn't like he was coming out of nowhere,

238
00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,040
Speaker 1: out of high school and coming hitting home runs, and

239
00:10:58,120 --> 00:10:59,840
Speaker 1: you know, he got beamed so many times. They kind

240
00:10:59,880 --> 00:11:01,880
Speaker 1: of best tim up a little bit, you know what

241
00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But I know, the minor leagues, it's like

242
00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,040
Speaker 1: a harder league until you get to the league. How

243
00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:08,040
Speaker 1: is the minor league?

244
00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:12,720
Speaker 3: I always felt as though the lower the level, the

245
00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:14,280
Speaker 3: more difficult it was to play.

246
00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:15,760
Speaker 1: And that's how you're going now.

247
00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:20,040
Speaker 3: The hardest I really mean, it's the toughest league in

248
00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,440
Speaker 3: baseball is rookie ball because you got, now all the

249
00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:26,480
Speaker 3: best players in the country. Pictures throwing one hundred. They

250
00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,360
Speaker 3: don't know where it's going. Ones at your neck, the

251
00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:30,720
Speaker 3: next one is on the outside corner, and as you

252
00:11:30,800 --> 00:11:33,120
Speaker 3: go up, you know, pictures are more around the control.

253
00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:35,400
Speaker 3: You know, a lot of times when guys get hit,

254
00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,600
Speaker 3: people get hit on accidents. Sometimes you know, try to

255
00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:40,160
Speaker 3: pitch people, but for the most part, they keep it

256
00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,360
Speaker 3: around the plate, you know, so it gets easier to hit.

257
00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:45,320
Speaker 3: But the rookie level, man, that's it's the most difficult.

258
00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,040
Speaker 3: That's that's where you start weeding people out.

259
00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:48,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

260
00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:50,360
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, is it like when you

261
00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:53,160
Speaker 2: I watched a lot of movies, right, So is it

262
00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,959
Speaker 2: kind of like in the movies when you in the

263
00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,319
Speaker 2: minor league where it's like this small town, everybody kind

264
00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:00,400
Speaker 2: of knows everybody and it's a constant and like the

265
00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,719
Speaker 2: people who you know know the team and they are

266
00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,920
Speaker 2: with the team, and it's kind of the same faces

267
00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:06,600
Speaker 2: outside of the players that get turned around.

268
00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:07,520
Speaker 4: Is it kind of like that?

269
00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,360
Speaker 3: I think from a fans perspective, and when you talk about

270
00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,719
Speaker 3: the minor leagues, it's, you know, it's all about that's

271
00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:15,200
Speaker 3: a lot of these cities, that's the only sports team

272
00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:19,640
Speaker 3: that right city. So it's you know, it's a professional level.

273
00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,960
Speaker 3: Fans go to see particular players, and the minor leagues

274
00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:25,120
Speaker 3: the players change all the time, exactly, but you had

275
00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:27,880
Speaker 3: fans rooting for a particular team. So that's what makes

276
00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,160
Speaker 3: minor league baseball special.

277
00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:32,360
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about shortstop. I tried to

278
00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:36,200
Speaker 1: play shortstop when I was younger. My mom, my mom

279
00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,280
Speaker 1: played baseball. She was the left hand first basem in softball.

280
00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:42,720
Speaker 1: I've never in my life I tried to play baseball,

281
00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,559
Speaker 1: and I used to. I used to run from shortstop

282
00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,400
Speaker 1: because that heat was coming and when you got into it.

283
00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:52,560
Speaker 1: I seen my friend get in front of scoop it

284
00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,160
Speaker 1: and it rolled all the way up his nose and

285
00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,479
Speaker 1: busted his nose. Did you ever used to see guys

286
00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,280
Speaker 1: that don't sounds? Yeah, laying you know what I'm saying

287
00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,760
Speaker 1: that Like, God, you know how the groundball coming and

288
00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,760
Speaker 1: you're getting in front of the scoopa and it's like

289
00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:08,800
Speaker 1: rolled up is on them all way and busting though.

290
00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:11,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm never playing shortstop ever again

291
00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:13,080
Speaker 1: in my life.

292
00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:15,199
Speaker 4: Terror player, You've never seen that happen.

293
00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:17,040
Speaker 1: I seen it all the time, though, I think the

294
00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,080
Speaker 1: first time I seen it, but it happened to somebody

295
00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:19,880
Speaker 1: that was on my team.

296
00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:21,719
Speaker 3: What particular league was this?

297
00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,360
Speaker 1: This was we was actually playing softball. This was this

298
00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:24,960
Speaker 1: was like in.

299
00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,960
Speaker 3: Like seventh grade story changes.

300
00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:30,320
Speaker 1: Like seventh grade or something like that. But you know,

301
00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,920
Speaker 1: you know shortstop, get the beams, you know short and

302
00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:33,800
Speaker 1: third and get.

303
00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,120
Speaker 3: Them beans you can't be afraid of.

304
00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,280
Speaker 1: So if you're getting in front of it and and

305
00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,360
Speaker 1: it hit that rock before it hit that glove and

306
00:13:39,400 --> 00:13:39,880
Speaker 1: it just.

307
00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,160
Speaker 3: Rolled on, so I see, yeah, you're putting a blame

308
00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,600
Speaker 3: on the grounds crew. The field is in bad condition.

309
00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,320
Speaker 1: I was just wondering if you ever seen it, because

310
00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,040
Speaker 1: I always was ran from shortstop because I'm like, man,

311
00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,080
Speaker 1: I'm not busting my nose trying to get behind a groundball.

312
00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:57,320
Speaker 2: So tell me this, how was it like when you

313
00:13:57,360 --> 00:13:58,880
Speaker 2: were in the minors and you you're trying, like you

314
00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,240
Speaker 2: say you needed that time to get better and improved,

315
00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:03,240
Speaker 2: Like at what point did you start to feel like.

316
00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,520
Speaker 4: I think I'm ready. I think I'm.

317
00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,959
Speaker 2: Like I'm ready to get the call, Like, at what

318
00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:10,240
Speaker 2: point did that start happening.

319
00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,400
Speaker 3: My first year, I was completely overmatched, terrible, as bad

320
00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,520
Speaker 3: as they can come. That was when I was eighteen.

321
00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,400
Speaker 3: My second year, I was pro ball at eighteen.

322
00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:20,880
Speaker 4: Yeah.

323
00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:25,800
Speaker 3: My second year I was terrible defensively, but I started

324
00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,640
Speaker 3: to hit a little bit better. My third year was

325
00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,560
Speaker 3: nineteen turned twenty, and I went to every level and

326
00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,880
Speaker 3: pretty much had dominated at every level, and there was

327
00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,400
Speaker 3: a strike. Otherwise I felt as though I would have

328
00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:42,800
Speaker 3: got called up to New York. So that that was

329
00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:45,120
Speaker 3: the year that my third year is when it really

330
00:14:45,440 --> 00:14:46,320
Speaker 3: started to click for them.

331
00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:47,800
Speaker 4: They went on strike, so you had to wait.

332
00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:49,200
Speaker 3: I had to wait till the next year. So I

333
00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,240
Speaker 3: got called up when I was twenty for the first time.

334
00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:53,960
Speaker 2: When you got there, like you get called up now

335
00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,600
Speaker 2: you finally in the major league? Like who would you say,

336
00:14:56,960 --> 00:14:58,880
Speaker 2: was a vet that you kind of leaned on and

337
00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,440
Speaker 2: learned from or somebody that you you know, you kind

338
00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:03,960
Speaker 2: of you know, when we get there, we find the

339
00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,840
Speaker 2: one guy, a couple guys that we kind.

340
00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:06,240
Speaker 4: Of look at him.

341
00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,000
Speaker 2: We feel like they got to figure out and I

342
00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:09,960
Speaker 2: want to kind of take something from him or whatever.

343
00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:10,960
Speaker 4: Who was that guy for you?

344
00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:12,880
Speaker 3: I took bits and pieces from a lot of people,

345
00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,480
Speaker 3: you know. One of the first guys that took me

346
00:15:14,520 --> 00:15:17,360
Speaker 3: under my wings was Gerald Williams. I was eighteen years

347
00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:21,120
Speaker 3: old and Gerald was, you know, a little older than me,

348
00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:22,840
Speaker 3: and he taught me what it was like to be

349
00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,520
Speaker 3: a professional. But then I learned a lot from watching,

350
00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,720
Speaker 3: you know. So I watched guys. I watched how Don

351
00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:33,400
Speaker 3: Mattingly dealt with the media and his teammates. I learned how,

352
00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,320
Speaker 3: you know, you playing this game, you have a good

353
00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:38,320
Speaker 3: time from Cecil Field or Tim Rains, Charlie Hayes. I mean,

354
00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:40,680
Speaker 3: it was like a barbershop on the back of playing

355
00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,840
Speaker 3: with these guys. Man, you know, so I think you

356
00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:45,200
Speaker 3: take bits and pieces from everyone, you know. I never

357
00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:48,240
Speaker 3: tried to mold myself after one particular person. You are

358
00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,680
Speaker 3: who you are. If you try to be somebody else,

359
00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:52,680
Speaker 3: you know, people are going to see through it. So

360
00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:55,040
Speaker 3: I am who I am. But I learned bits and

361
00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,200
Speaker 3: pieces of playing the game from other people.

362
00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was me. I wanted to be like Mike.

363
00:15:59,280 --> 00:15:59,880
Speaker 4: And I saw.

364
00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,320
Speaker 1: You get called up and you there, you got the

365
00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:09,080
Speaker 1: great Tony Fernandez in front of you in that spot.

366
00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,400
Speaker 1: Like how was that to see him like you say

367
00:16:11,480 --> 00:16:15,320
Speaker 1: you watched and see him come behind him and knowing that, like, hey,

368
00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:17,760
Speaker 1: I need my shot after this player.

369
00:16:17,800 --> 00:16:19,920
Speaker 3: Who Okay, So this is how it went. So in

370
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,440
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety four, I told you that was the year

371
00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,160
Speaker 3: where it clicked for me. So I went a ball

372
00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:26,920
Speaker 3: double a triple A, and then we had to strike. Okay.

373
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,840
Speaker 3: I went out to play in a winter winter league

374
00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:31,680
Speaker 3: called Arizona Fall League. So I went out there and

375
00:16:31,680 --> 00:16:34,800
Speaker 3: played for two weeks. I hurt my shoulder. Now I thought,

376
00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:37,800
Speaker 3: if there wasn't a strike, I get called up. Didn't happen,

377
00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,120
Speaker 3: because there was a strike hurt my shoulder. They ended

378
00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,520
Speaker 3: up signing Tony Fernandez to a two year deal. I'm crushed,

379
00:16:44,080 --> 00:16:45,920
Speaker 3: so I'm going to send me back down in the

380
00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,560
Speaker 3: minor leagues for two years. So the next year, ninety five,

381
00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,520
Speaker 3: strike is over. I started in Triple A, Tony got hurt,

382
00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,480
Speaker 3: I got called up only for two weeks. They send

383
00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,120
Speaker 3: me back down. Okay, So nineteen ninety six, they decide

384
00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:01,840
Speaker 3: it's gonna play second base. They're gonna give me a

385
00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:05,720
Speaker 3: chance to play. Terrible spring. I mean I couldn't hit,

386
00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,080
Speaker 3: I was making errors. They were gonna ship me out again.

387
00:17:09,040 --> 00:17:13,399
Speaker 3: Unfortunately Tony passed recently. But Tony broke his arm with

388
00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,040
Speaker 3: like a week or so left to spring training, they

389
00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:18,840
Speaker 3: were stuck with me. That's how I honestly feel as

390
00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,240
Speaker 3: that I got my chance to start in ninety six.

391
00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,280
Speaker 4: You feel otherwise you might have got.

392
00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:28,760
Speaker 3: Things sitting here with the knuckleheads that didn't happen.

393
00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:29,960
Speaker 4: That's crazy.

394
00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,480
Speaker 1: Some of my favorite players, with Dwight Goodin and Darryl Strawberry,

395
00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,280
Speaker 1: it was two of my favorite players. You have the

396
00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,440
Speaker 1: opportunity to play with the white man man. You called

397
00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:40,560
Speaker 1: the out for the no hitter. How was that to

398
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,000
Speaker 1: catch the out for the no hitter. For Dwhight good

399
00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,760
Speaker 1: the best top and.

400
00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:47,439
Speaker 3: That was the only thing in thinking. If you're watching

401
00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:51,000
Speaker 3: y'all stumbling to catch it, drop it man. It's anytime

402
00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,520
Speaker 3: you know you're part of a no hitter, it's it's stressful,

403
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:56,640
Speaker 3: stressful on the picture, but it's stressful on the fielders

404
00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,160
Speaker 3: as well, like you can't mess up. But Doc Man,

405
00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:01,800
Speaker 3: I played with Doc one of the nicest guys you

406
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,520
Speaker 3: ever meet, you know what I mean. He had his

407
00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:06,959
Speaker 3: fair share of turmoil that he went through during his career.

408
00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:12,120
Speaker 3: Straw too played with Straw. Straw sat me down going

409
00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,960
Speaker 3: into my second year because we played together in Triple

410
00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:16,800
Speaker 3: A when we first signed him before it went up,

411
00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:20,440
Speaker 3: and after my first year when spring training nineteen ninety seven,

412
00:18:20,480 --> 00:18:22,280
Speaker 3: he sat me down and he said, hey, man, look

413
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,240
Speaker 3: and he shared some of his experiences and the mistakes

414
00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,800
Speaker 3: that he made. And this is what you need to expect.

415
00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,720
Speaker 3: New York is a beast. You have success. People know

416
00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:33,639
Speaker 3: who you are, so I'll never forget him going out

417
00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:37,480
Speaker 3: of his way to mentor me moving forward. And you

418
00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,919
Speaker 3: know you talked about it earlier. When you're seeing people

419
00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,160
Speaker 3: saying that what you can't do and what you can

420
00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,159
Speaker 3: do now trying to go in the front office. And

421
00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,240
Speaker 3: I always said, it's impossible to be an expert on

422
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,400
Speaker 3: something that you haven't done. You can't be You could

423
00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:57,560
Speaker 3: be knowledgeable, but you can't be an expert. Now. Doc

424
00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,960
Speaker 3: and Straw were experts at being a young player dealing

425
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,680
Speaker 3: with success in New York. Now they made their mistakes,

426
00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,480
Speaker 3: but they've been through it. So for it for Straw

427
00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:11,359
Speaker 3: especially Doctor the same well, same way. But for them

428
00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:14,160
Speaker 3: to sit me down and walk me through their experiences

429
00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:16,480
Speaker 3: helped me for the rest of my career.

430
00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:20,000
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, when did you get the

431
00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,399
Speaker 2: number two? And why did you decide that's what your

432
00:19:22,480 --> 00:19:22,800
Speaker 2: number one?

433
00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:25,800
Speaker 3: The first so I didn't decide on it got there.

434
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,040
Speaker 3: They gave me number two, I can get. I think

435
00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,320
Speaker 3: they gave it to me because it was the smallest jersey.

436
00:19:30,880 --> 00:19:33,280
Speaker 3: There was a guy named of Mike Diego that wore

437
00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:36,240
Speaker 3: number two before I did, and he was Mike's byably

438
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,760
Speaker 3: about five six, five seven. I think it was just

439
00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:39,720
Speaker 3: the smallest jersey.

440
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,920
Speaker 4: Wow, that's crazy.

441
00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:44,640
Speaker 2: So the legendary number two just got given.

442
00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,600
Speaker 3: Just not chose what was the number before the thirteen?

443
00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,360
Speaker 3: I wanted third. My dad wore thirteen. I always tried

444
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,520
Speaker 3: to wear thirteen, but Jim Lewis was wearing so I

445
00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 3: didn't get thirteen.

446
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,760
Speaker 1: When did the first time? Because this is actually everybody

447
00:19:57,800 --> 00:19:59,960
Speaker 1: called it your move? So when's the first time you say,

448
00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:02,480
Speaker 1: you know, a short stop seeing the ball going deep

449
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,000
Speaker 1: in the whole backhand to jump off one leg and

450
00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:07,240
Speaker 1: beam it to first.

451
00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I never saw it. I used to mess around

452
00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,840
Speaker 3: doing it in the minor league during batting practice, just

453
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,240
Speaker 3: mess around doing it. And I don't remember the first

454
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,400
Speaker 3: time I actually did it in a major league game,

455
00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:22,399
Speaker 3: but I think it wasn't a postseason game early on,

456
00:20:22,520 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 3: like a layup practice in practice practice like a layup.

457
00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 1: Like it's just simple, you know the moves, you know

458
00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,080
Speaker 1: the you know.

459
00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:34,480
Speaker 3: Everyone thinks they it looks easier when you're watching the game.

460
00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 3: Actually go down on the field and see how far play,

461
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,640
Speaker 3: but just how far the throws are from all players.

462
00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 3: So we'll take you that's the next one. We'll do

463
00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 3: it out on the field.

464
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 1: Like that's that's deep in the hole. You know it's

465
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 1: by the grass to get out of there, and you

466
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,639
Speaker 1: jump off one lig. What type of arm strength you

467
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 1: gotta have to even get it there because like a

468
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:55,720
Speaker 1: lot of guys like me who ain't throw a baseball

469
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,520
Speaker 1: in years, they probably won't go past the pitcher's mound.

470
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 3: It's all you know, it's all practice. I mean, you

471
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:05,520
Speaker 3: guys do things in the basketball court that you know

472
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,359
Speaker 3: most people can't do. I mean, I've seen it. That's

473
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:10,760
Speaker 3: why I didn't play basketball, you know. But you keep

474
00:21:10,760 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 3: working on it. Arm strength is another one. You keep

475
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 3: working on it, working on it, working on it. It's

476
00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 3: not like just one day I went out there and

477
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,119
Speaker 3: made that play. It's something that I worked on for

478
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 3: years and years, and then all of a sudden it

479
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:22,359
Speaker 3: just becomes second nature.

480
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,040
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year, when you finally get to play,

481
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,800
Speaker 1: you finally sink your feet in and you get the

482
00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: honor or Rookie of Year. What did that mean to you?

483
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: I mean, like you was, I'm here and I pulled

484
00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: I'm not going nowhere else.

485
00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:36,560
Speaker 3: It was icing on the cake for us. I mean, look,

486
00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 3: Yankees hadn't won a World Series since seventy eight. Yeah,

487
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,640
Speaker 3: and I mean we were on top of the world, man.

488
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:48,280
Speaker 3: I mean he played in New York a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

489
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,080
Speaker 3: I don't think you know.

490
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm sure you know. You don't know how much.

491
00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:02,520
Speaker 3: I you know, so we won in ninety six, and

492
00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:05,360
Speaker 3: and you know, we were on top of the world, man.

493
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: And then you know when Rookie of the Year on

494
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:09,560
Speaker 3: top of that, that was justicing.

495
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:12,720
Speaker 2: Right when you put it in those times, like we

496
00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 2: was sanitation and I thought, I still I still had

497
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:19,800
Speaker 2: a great time. Yeah, when you when you just think

498
00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 2: about the different ends of respect, like you played against

499
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 2: we didn't do well. It was champions as a rookie.

500
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 1: Like, boy, how is the parade in New York City?

501
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,399
Speaker 1: I was the parade after winning the championship in New

502
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 1: York City, going downhead and in these buildings.

503
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: Can't just keep you can't even describe. I couldn't articulate

504
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:46,200
Speaker 3: how well. I mean two three million people, I mean

505
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 3: hanging from light post trees, buildings. Yeah, you can't. I'd

506
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,639
Speaker 3: never seen nor will I ever see that many people

507
00:22:55,760 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 3: in one place again. You know. So it's you. You

508
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 3: win in New York, it just doesn't get any better

509
00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:04,119
Speaker 3: than that.

510
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't even have to win in New York.

511
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: I'm serious. You don't have to win. If you showed

512
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,520
Speaker 2: the New York fans that you're gonna give every single

513
00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:13,520
Speaker 2: bit of you to them.

514
00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:14,040
Speaker 4: You're done.

515
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: You're good because you can't feel.

516
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 2: I'm telling you like people think like look at John

517
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 2: Starks and those guys, Like they didn't win a championship,

518
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: but like they were the fabric of the city, and

519
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:25,760
Speaker 2: they knew that they were gonna leave on the line every.

520
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 3: Night they went to work every day.

521
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,800
Speaker 2: He go fight, Michael Jordan, Like, they're good. Like I'm

522
00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: telling you, New York is one of them cities like.

523
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 1: That, which one of them championships mean a little bit

524
00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 1: more than the other one?

525
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,640
Speaker 3: That's hard, No, that's hard. Yeah, they're all special, All

526
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,439
Speaker 3: of them are special. Anytime you do something for the

527
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 3: first time stands out a little bit more because you're

528
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
Speaker 3: experiencing everything for the first time. I bet you can

529
00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: tell me who your first girlfriend is, who your first girlfriend?

530
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 3: But but you know, but you know, you know, you

531
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean, you know, so the first one

532
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:05,960
Speaker 3: stands out special special.

533
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: Who would you say, in your opinion is your what

534
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 2: coach had the most influenced or impact on you in

535
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: your game?

536
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:14,880
Speaker 3: Mister torri.

537
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:16,800
Speaker 4: Legends.

538
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I'm just because he's by far the

539
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 3: best communicator I've ever known.

540
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 4: You know, you don't understand.

541
00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: He was, but you know, just when you an athlete

542
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 2: and you playing like the communication is key. That's why

543
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,960
Speaker 2: I always love and respect stan Van Gun straight shooter,

544
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 2: tell you the truth, no matter if you're gonna like

545
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:37,120
Speaker 2: it or not.

546
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know, the thing I learned from him is,

547
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 3: you know, you don't you always hear that phrase you

548
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:45,640
Speaker 3: treat everyone the same. You don't treat everyone the same.

549
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 3: Everyone fairly, but you don't treat everyone the same because

550
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:54,199
Speaker 3: there's different personalities, you know. So he yeah, he's he

551
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 3: had that calming influence as a young player coming up,

552
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 3: you know, first time ever else corrupt, you know you're

553
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: gonna screw up something. First thing you look at, You're

554
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 3: gonna look at your coach, whether you look at them

555
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 3: directly or out of the corner of your and you

556
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 3: look at him and he was always calm man. So

557
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:17,000
Speaker 3: it made me feel as though he believed and trusted me.

558
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,320
Speaker 2: How was it for you being in New York during

559
00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 2: the time of nine to eleven and everything that went

560
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: on with that whole situation and being being part of,

561
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: you know, the Yankees, a flagship team in the city.

562
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,800
Speaker 4: How was that for you guys?

563
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,720
Speaker 3: It was surreal, you know. And and and the reason

564
00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,040
Speaker 3: why I say it is is, you know, New York

565
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:40,800
Speaker 3: is so fast paced. As soon as you walk out

566
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 3: your door in the street, everything's going cars, there's traffic,

567
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 3: there's people home. And then after you know, September eleventh,

568
00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 3: I remember going because we were in in New York

569
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,879
Speaker 3: during the time, going out in the streets and no noise,

570
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 3: people just walking the streets. There's no cars, shut off

571
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 3: the bridges, there's no cars, just people walking silent in

572
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 3: some out of a out of a movie.

573
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:06,919
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was.

574
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,320
Speaker 3: It was eerie. And you know, we had a chance

575
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 3: to meet a lot of the you know, families that

576
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:18,480
Speaker 3: lost loved ones, firefighters, police officers, e m S. Workers,

577
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 3: and and we felt as though we were representing, you know,

578
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:27,359
Speaker 3: New York at the time, even though it's a tragedy

579
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 3: affected the whole country obviously, but really hit home at

580
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 3: New York. And and we we looked at it as

581
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 3: we we we're giving people something to cheer for for

582
00:26:37,240 --> 00:26:39,439
Speaker 3: just three hours a day. We know, you're not going

583
00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: to change anything that happened three hours a day. And

584
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:49,160
Speaker 3: and we took that responsibility seriously, And I'm not saying

585
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 3: we helped anyone, but I think during that time, that's

586
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 3: when we went to the postseason. We lost Arizona, but

587
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 3: that was as emotional World Series. I think I played in,

588
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 3: you know, those three games there in New York, and

589
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,639
Speaker 3: President Bush came throughout the first pitch, you know, But

590
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,400
Speaker 3: it was we felt that we were representing a lot

591
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: more than just our organization at the time.

592
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 1: When you walked into the locker room and they told

593
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: you you was going to be the captain of the

594
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,960
Speaker 1: New York Yankees and we want you to be the leader,

595
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: what was that day?

596
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 3: Like I thought I was in trouble. Was in trouble man? Yeah,

597
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: because this was two thousand and three. So in the

598
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: off season in two thousand three, I used to I

599
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 3: had a great relationship with George Steinbrenner. Every off season

600
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:37,160
Speaker 3: we'd get together and we'd have dinner. And I lived

601
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 3: in Tampa, he was in Tampa. So great relationship started

602
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: with the whole Ohio State University of Michigan. So every

603
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 3: day every year I'd go in his office. He tells me,

604
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: I need you to be focused. I needs you to

605
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,920
Speaker 3: be this, I need you to leave the Yankees, right, Okay.

606
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,760
Speaker 3: So he was doing an interview in the off season

607
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,360
Speaker 3: and someone asked him about me. He said, I need

608
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: him to before everything. He told me, I need him

609
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: to be focused, I need him to be disciplined. I

610
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,400
Speaker 3: don't want to read about him being at a birthday

611
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,520
Speaker 3: party till three o'clock in the morning New York Media.

612
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,160
Speaker 3: I'm on the back page next day, party on because

613
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,679
Speaker 3: they asked me. They asked me, yeah, They asked me,

614
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 3: are you doing anything different this offseason? I said, now,

615
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 3: I'm doing everything the same, so it's party on. I

616
00:28:20,800 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: refuse to change my party in ways to make the

617
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 3: boss happy. So me and the boss we said that

618
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 3: we had a meeting. We got into it a little

619
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 3: bit because he would challenge you.

620
00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 4: Man.

621
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 3: He wanted to see if you stood up for yourself

622
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 3: or you're going to back down. He would challenge you.

623
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: So I had dislocated my shoulder on opening day that year,

624
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 3: so I had to go back down to Tampa to

625
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: rehab and I finally get back up to New York.

626
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 3: And this is the first year at Dekie Matsui came

627
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: over from javan The first year with us, he lived

628
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: in my building. So I invited Matsui and all my

629
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 3: teammates over to my house for dinner, and then we're

630
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 3: going out after Now we had the next day off,

631
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 3: but we go out. Now we're at this club in

632
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:07,720
Speaker 3: New York. There's fifteen of us. Next day, you picture

633
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: of me. It says three o'clock in the morning. Derek's

634
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: still out. Next morning, I get a message saying the

635
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:19,720
Speaker 3: boss wants to talk to you. I'm like, damn, I'm

636
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:21,959
Speaker 3: in trouble, and he told me he was gonna name

637
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 3: me Captain Responsibility.

638
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: This is an album for me because by the time

639
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: I got to New York, clearly all that was over you,

640
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 2: the King of New York.

641
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 4: So I'm looking at I never knew this.

642
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 2: That you had these little little parts right here because

643
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: I was I'm all said to ask you, like, how

644
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 2: was you the only dude to come to New York

645
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 2: and you never got messed with and all of this?

646
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 4: So like, how did you start to change that?

647
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: Because when I got there, it was, you know, nobody

648
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 2: said nothing bad to say really about you the man.

649
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 1: Ventually how you turned to batman and not let nobody

650
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: see you no more?

651
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 2: Let me chase because I've been a victim of page

652
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 2: six myself. I've been a victim of the back and

653
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 2: all of that. That that that foolishness that goes along

654
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: like you cannot That's what I'm telling you. Like people

655
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 2: who have never played me like you see me, me

656
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: and him sit aloud. People who play that. We've seen

657
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,560
Speaker 2: our teammates. We've seen people come and go. I played

658
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: four straight years. I've seen teammates shrivel. I ain't going

659
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,120
Speaker 2: out at the end of the night. I ain't going out.

660
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: I ain't going no where. But they don't want nobody seeing,

661
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 2: nobody catching nobody be able to talk crazy to them all.

662
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: They're like New York is a different place. So when

663
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,040
Speaker 2: I came in, I'm looking, I'm like, damn shit is

664
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 2: the man? Like?

665
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: How do like?

666
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: Nothing?

667
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 4: Like?

668
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: So how did you?

669
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 4: I know that?

670
00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 2: Like you say you played foreverdees, so I mean you

671
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 2: kind of you grow your mature, So how did that

672
00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: process go for you?

673
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:48,160
Speaker 3: There's two things. One never respond or complain about page

674
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: six or the gossip pages, right, because I found out

675
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 3: through experience. You come out and try to say this

676
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 3: and that isn't true. It just points delete this. They

677
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 3: probably make up something now and pay six about me.

678
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,600
Speaker 3: But you can hide in New York if you want

679
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 3: to hide. So we'll talk when the camera's off. If

680
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 3: you want to hide, what you can hide. So I

681
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 3: just always I meant, I always wanted to keep my

682
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: private life private. And I never opened it up, you know,

683
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 3: because you can't put toothpaste back in the tube. You know,

684
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: once it's out, it's out. So I always tried to

685
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: just separate. I wouldn't talk about it, you know. Look,

686
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 3: I was young in New York. I wasn't married during

687
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 3: my career, you know, so I had, you know, fine,

688
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 3: went out with my friends. We had a good time.

689
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 3: But also the difference is these man, it's different, you know,

690
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 3: because we used to go out in New York and

691
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,440
Speaker 3: you'd leave a club at four o'clock in the morning

692
00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 3: and there'd be lines to get in, and you have

693
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 3: to worry about anything because only time somebody take a

694
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 3: picture is if somebody actually had a camera walked around

695
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 3: with a camera which did not know even now, you know,

696
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: I tell the kids that the players. Now, I said, look,

697
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: you have to assume everything you do is public knowledge,

698
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 3: absolutely everything you do, because someone can capture that didn't exist.

699
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 3: If I played now, my care would have been three years.

700
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,200
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, like now when we go

701
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,960
Speaker 1: to locker rooms and stuff, and these guys, these kids

702
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: these days, they be on their phone before the game

703
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: halftime and all that is that in baseball too, They

704
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: in the locker room on their phone.

705
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 3: You know, one thing I don't do is I don't

706
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 3: go down and I let them know this is their space. Yeah,

707
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 3: because when I was a player, I didn't like when

708
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 3: the front office coming down what you need to do.

709
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,000
Speaker 3: If I go down there, I'm going down there for

710
00:32:38,040 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: a reason. So I like to think.

711
00:32:40,280 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: Not stein Brenner. You did a visa commercial with Stein

712
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: Brenner seeing you know Stein. You see Stein Brenn on TV.

713
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 1: His whole face is like Bill Belichick. He ain't never smiled.

714
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,200
Speaker 1: So to see Stein Brenner in a commercial with you,

715
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: you don't often see that. To do the commercial, you know,

716
00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: see him smiling the commerce and have some type of humor.

717
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: How was that?

718
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: That was on the heels of the party on after that?

719
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 2: Wow?

720
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: Because that's we got into it. That was in spring

721
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: training and then I hurt myself, So I was down

722
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:15,320
Speaker 3: in Tampa for for six weeks. That's when we filmed

723
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 3: the commercial. Wow, I'm the only one probably to see

724
00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 3: the boss or actually everyone saw it, but I was

725
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 3: only the one probably to be in a conga line

726
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 3: with George Steinberger dancer.

727
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:28,880
Speaker 1: What type of discipline did Steinberner had that you took

728
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: from him? That you you kind of bringing it to

729
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Miami with the Marlins Now we had.

730
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 2: You know.

731
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 3: The thing is we had the same mindset, you know,

732
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 3: win or seasons of failure? Yeah, you know, because you

733
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 3: know as athletes, you know, the worst phrase in professional

734
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: sport to me is get him next year. It's twelve months, man,

735
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 3: that's a long time. I got to wait so many

736
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:54,560
Speaker 3: next years, you know what I mean? So you get

737
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 3: the most out of your career. And if you don't

738
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 3: win seasons of.

739
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 2: Failures mentality though, is not a sense of urgency mentality.

740
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 3: So that's okay, Now we'll get them next year.

741
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 4: Like, yeah, I don't.

742
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:06,479
Speaker 1: I ain't make the playoffs. That's the reason I got

743
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 1: hurt now because I was stressing about it every year

744
00:34:08,520 --> 00:34:10,359
Speaker 1: that I didn't make the playoffs, Like I ain't never

745
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: lost this much as I lost when I got to

746
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:16,359
Speaker 1: the league till before then. So it's a mental adjustment

747
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: if you're not, especially if you're a person that want

748
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,560
Speaker 1: to win all the time.

749
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 2: Tell me this, how was it for you the first

750
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: time you experienced the Yankees and Red Sox rifle?

751
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 4: How was that for you? And what? Like?

752
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: You you lived it? How what does that mean to you?

753
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 2: That rivalry?

754
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 3: It changed over time? You know what's that phrase? It's

755
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 3: not a rivalry if one team always wins. Rights were

756
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 3: always winning early on, and then you know, they got

757
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 3: better and better. You know, we played them in the

758
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 3: ALCS two thousand and three and then they beat us

759
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:50,759
Speaker 3: in two thousand and four. They were We didn't like

760
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: each other, That's yeah, you know, we didn't like each

761
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 3: I think there's a respect there. We didn't like each other. Man,

762
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 3: we tried to beat them. They tried to beat us.

763
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 3: We're facing Pedro Martinez and Kurt Shilling and these guys,

764
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 3: you know they the you know what I mean, it's

765
00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: it's we were going at it.

766
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:09,759
Speaker 4: That was the one thing for me.

767
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: I was never like this huge crazy baseball fans, but

768
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 2: it was like if y'all were playing like the Yankees

769
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 2: and Red Side, the Cardinals clubs was playing, I was

770
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 2: watching like those like, especially in the in the playoffs.

771
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,720
Speaker 3: Like it was an event exactly.

772
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 2: That's what people it's not even real baseball fans, but

773
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 2: really watched that. It's that intense and that into it.

774
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,759
Speaker 3: You don't want to say, well, we did play in

775
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 3: the postseason, but when we played them in the regular season,

776
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 3: you don't want to say it was like a postseason game.

777
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 3: The atmosphere makes it fun for players, and whether we're

778
00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:44,240
Speaker 3: in Boston or New York, the fans made the atmosphere special.

779
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 4: That was I've been in both of those stadiums.

780
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 2: I like. I like both of them, Like I don't

781
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,839
Speaker 2: really like watching baseball. That's something there when you're there,

782
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: it's totally different. Like and I hadn't. I didn't do

783
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 2: that to like a couple of teams, like we got

784
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 2: team Let's go Jami and had tickets. He has some

785
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: Rebok people in Boston. He had some good seats. We

786
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: went to the Boston game. I was like, damn, like

787
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 2: kind of cool, like like we was tick niggas dreams.

788
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 2: You go over here, you're doing this. We got to

789
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: give the little bad problem like yo, this is this

790
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: ain't as bad as it looks like. I'm having a

791
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 2: good time.

792
00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: How much do the fundamentals of the game mean to you?

793
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,479
Speaker 1: Because I see stuff about I've seen the flip play

794
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 1: that you made. I've seen you explaining, and when you

795
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: explain it, you was like I was the third cutoff man.

796
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: Sometimes you never hear about a third cut off man.

797
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: They supposed to get.

798
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 3: I don't even know what that means, but it was

799
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 3: because you didn't play.

800
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 1: Like the third cutoff man. Yeah, you know what he said,

801
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: giving you man like this need to get the show on, you.

802
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 3: Need to see this.

803
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:50,360
Speaker 4: Jeter gave me credit.

804
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: But I know, I know to be the third cutoff man.

805
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,759
Speaker 1: That was a discipline and the fundamental moment, which was

806
00:36:55,760 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: a key moment you got John b at home. But

807
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: explaining us the funnel mentals for the younger kids, not.

808
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 4: To for me because I don't know, you know, I

809
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:04,399
Speaker 4: don't know.

810
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: This is just I think it goes down to preparation.

811
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 3: You know, people ask you all the time. Game speeds

812
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: up or it slows down, and my mind is slows

813
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: down if you're prepared, you know, if you're unprepared, everything

814
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 3: is fast forward. So I got my biggest my biggest

815
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: fear in life is being unprepared. It just makes me uncomfortable.

816
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 3: So in every situation when I'm playing, or when I

817
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 3: was playing, I think of all the different circumstances scenarios

818
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 3: before it happens, you know, and then when you're in

819
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 3: it slows down. So in that particular situation, I had

820
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,120
Speaker 3: run through my mind before you know, I know, there's

821
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 3: a checklist, and it's not like a ten minute process,

822
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 3: but it's you know, a couple of second process where

823
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 3: you know who's running, how fast they are, where they're

824
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: going to hit it, where they tend to hit it,

825
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: who's to cut off man, how good of the army? Yeah, exactly.

826
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 3: It all runs through your mind and it actually just

827
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: slows down.

828
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 2: Let me just say this right now, that's a sidebar

829
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: that's not normal. We've done these interviews and like you Kobe,

830
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 2: the crazy ones, doesn't you know, crazy the different one

831
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: y'all not from the planet, Like y'all sit here and

832
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: talk about something that's not regular as if it's regular.

833
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,800
Speaker 4: It's not everybody, No, everybody.

834
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,839
Speaker 2: Everybody cannot That is why y'all are who y'all are.

835
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 2: And it always makes me laugh to sit and listen

836
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: to them talk about it.

837
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 4: So regular as a matter of fact.

838
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting here like I'm thinking and I'm listening

839
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: and I'm replanning.

840
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 4: And it is not regular. But that just lets me.

841
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 2: But the way you're talking about it, I mean, what

842
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 2: we listened to Covie this thing because you made it

843
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 2: come you said, you know you're crazy, right, That's what

844
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: I'm saying that y'all having y'all look think And I'm

845
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: sitting here like, that's I don't never heard nobody just

846
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 2: that's not regular, Like that's a gift. That's the crazy,

847
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 2: you know, the special move Like that's why I say

848
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 2: thatster that's like the serial killer.

849
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 4: Like and I'm like, don't nobody know how to do that? Like?

850
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,240
Speaker 2: What that was crazy?

851
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 3: It's all It's all in the preparation. Man.

852
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: One of the best, one of the most highlighted things

853
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 1: to me on baseball that I always love to see

854
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 1: is when you turn to you play shortstop and you

855
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:15,759
Speaker 1: turn is that looking at me?

856
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm talking about?

857
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: Learning you turn too? Like how is that to turn

858
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: to and have the coordination with your with your your

859
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:30,439
Speaker 1: second basement and plus the first basement, knowing where you're going,

860
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: how you're gonna do it. How you're gonna flip the ball? Like,

861
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: how is that?

862
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 3: Well, it's more with the second basement. I mean, you know,

863
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 3: first basement just got to catch it, but the second

864
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 3: basement working with a lot of it. I worked with.

865
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: I played with a lot of second basement man, and

866
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 3: everybody's different, you know, So it's just getting that where.

867
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,800
Speaker 3: That's why spring training is so important. You know, thirty

868
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 3: games you get their chemistry, and you work out, you

869
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: work together, and you work on plays and different angles

870
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: and once again it's it goes down to the preparation

871
00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 3: part of it. But just time. You gotta spend time.

872
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,280
Speaker 4: What was your favorite part of playing?

873
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: Like, was it the actual.

874
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 4: Result of winning?

875
00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: Was it playing in the game and the competition, going

876
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 2: against somebody and trying to, you know, conquer that person

877
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 2: you up against, like you said, a picture or something,

878
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: or was it the work like you say, the preparation

879
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 2: and all that. What was your favorite part the most satisfied?

880
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 3: Competing? Competing? You know, and that's in anything. If you

881
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: want to compete in something, we can do it. When

882
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,720
Speaker 3: the cameras go off, you know, I just like to compete.

883
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 2: Hey, I heard that's not like a challenge when like

884
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: you're trying to get to the spades and not all

885
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 2: that up in here talking about basketball. That's but you

886
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 2: know we can do the sandbag darts. He just thought

887
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 2: about player. He's gonna need two weeks off afterwards.

888
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 3: But that's the thing though. It's competing, man. Everyone. You

889
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: know you like to compete, and when you're done playing,

890
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 3: you gotta find something competing. You know, I tried golf,

891
00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 3: you know, play golf, and now I'm in a different

892
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 3: role and we're competing. It's the same thing. It's competition.

893
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: Fun question. Is it harder to score in the NBA

894
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: game you think? Or is it harder to hit a fastball?

895
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,640
Speaker 3: Far baseball?

896
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: Do you think anybody off the streat can just go

897
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: on the NBA court and get them a bus?

898
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 3: I didn't say that. No, no, no, no, you just score

899
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 3: a point you can get That's what easy.

900
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 2: Listen because anybody on the street, if they get a

901
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 2: fast break or open, you better make a layup if

902
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 2: you just get open. Like, I don't care baseball boy,

903
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 2: you can't hit no harme run at home.

904
00:41:41,360 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, put a bat on the ninety nine.

905
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:51,400
Speaker 2: Just you're not scared. You're not saying if somebody is saying,

906
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,360
Speaker 2: like the big units standing up down thing. Boy, please,

907
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 2: I ain't even thinking about not getting hit.

908
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you what we're gonna do. Spring training.

909
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 3: You guys, come down, you spring spring training down the

910
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 3: spring chain will put you in the cage with one

911
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 3: of our pictures.

912
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,359
Speaker 2: I want, I need, I won't see.

913
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,080
Speaker 3: I want to control.

914
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 1: Please have control, because I can't take no cage baseball.

915
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:21,359
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a moment right there. You talk all

916
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 2: this nest. I want to see it. Ladies and gentlemen,

917
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,440
Speaker 2: as soon as you get struck. I don't be on

918
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: the sideline like playing no baseball with eighteens.

919
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: Ain't no clean put my shoulder trying to swing a

920
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: back swing. I wanted to ask you about a couple

921
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: of your teammates that kind of been on the journey,

922
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: the whole journey with you and Bernie, Andy, Marianno and

923
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: who hey, you know what I'm saying.

924
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,399
Speaker 4: That's my guy, Marianna, my guy.

925
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: Yeah. But but them were some of the guys. They

926
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: kind of been through the journey. Y'all haven't seen each

927
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: other retired, been through the ups and downs and been

928
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:02,839
Speaker 1: together a whole lot of years with y'all. Basically family. Now,

929
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: what do them guys mean to you? And what do

930
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,480
Speaker 1: them guys mean to the Yankees organization?

931
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 3: Two things? Well, one, you know you always hear the

932
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 3: Core four, right, So they mentioned me, Marianno, Andy and Jorge.

933
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 3: And the reason why they say the Core four and

934
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: they don't they didn't include Bernie's because Bernie wasn't there

935
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 3: when we won our fifth championship, so that Core four

936
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 3: title or label came after we won in two thousand

937
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: and nine. Now, we wouldn't have gotten a chance to

938
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 3: play if it wasn't for Bernie, because Yankee organization was

939
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: known for trading players. The boss will go get free agency,

940
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 3: get rid of young players. So Bernie was really the

941
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,239
Speaker 3: first one that got a chance and he had success,

942
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: so therefore it opened the door for us to have success. Me, Marianno,

943
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 3: and Jorge are the only trio in any of the

944
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: sports to play seventeen years together on the same team.

945
00:43:55,520 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: And that yeah, that's really family.

946
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 3: Like Wow, and Andy, it would have been four, but

947
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: he went to play in Houston for a couple of

948
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 3: years and came back. Otherwise, it's the four of us,

949
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 3: so we've been through it. We came through the minor

950
00:44:10,120 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 3: league together.

951
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: Wow, Bernie saying like he's just the most quietest dude ever.

952
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: It's like he just don't never talk.

953
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: Unless the guys now, Bernie, Bernie used to just play

954
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 3: his guitar on the back of the plane because you

955
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 3: know he's a musician, now plays guitar.

956
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, but.

957
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 4: You don't know nothing about that.

958
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: How was it like in the in the in the

959
00:44:32,760 --> 00:44:34,799
Speaker 1: eighth or the ninth, we got and got up, got

960
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 1: a run up, got a two run up, and you

961
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: got Marianna coming on up to like how much?

962
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 3: And that's that's what the feeling was. Was it's over,

963
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,400
Speaker 3: you know because you think about we were like, we

964
00:44:49,440 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 3: won five championships and the one that eats at me

965
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 3: is the one we lost to Arizona Game seven. And

966
00:44:57,640 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 3: every team that loses says its right. But I feel

967
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 3: if we played that game over one hundred times, we

968
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,959
Speaker 3: went ninety nine of them. You know, that's how good

969
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: Marianna was. But it wasn't meant to be. I mean,

970
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 3: Arizona gets a lot of credit, but when he came

971
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 3: in the game was over.

972
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 2: Tell me this, this is something that you know we

973
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 2: all can say we've been a part of Like when

974
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 2: how was it for you? And when did you get

975
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: the call from I don't know, was it MJ or

976
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: was it Nike and a representation but or was it

977
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 2: your agent letting you know that they wanted you on

978
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 2: Jordan Brand?

979
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 4: What was that like for you and how did you

980
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 4: receive that information.

981
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 3: I first met Michael when he was playing baseball. He

982
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 3: was in my baseball he was he was in the

983
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 3: Arizona Fall League right earlier on I told you I

984
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,840
Speaker 3: hurt my shoulder in the fall league and they signed

985
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 3: Tony Fernandez right after that. That was the year I

986
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 3: met Michael playing baseball, and relationship just grew over time

987
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,400
Speaker 3: and then you know he reached out and this was

988
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,799
Speaker 3: the beginning. You were the first, right, Yeah, it's just

989
00:46:02,840 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 3: the beginning.

990
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 4: Like you know, we originated up in here.

991
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 2: We all you know, O gs up here everything over

992
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,799
Speaker 2: where we're still here, you know, go.

993
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 3: Ahead, you know, I mean and look, I think you

994
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:15,879
Speaker 3: know at that point and still now, you know, people

995
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 3: would look up to Michael beyond just what he did

996
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 3: on the basketball board, because you know, you talk about

997
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 3: athletes and post athletic careers and building businesses, and you

998
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 3: know he was one of the first you know him

999
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 3: in magic yep, one of the first. So uh, he

1000
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,080
Speaker 3: always looked out for me and gave me advice. I

1001
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:35,960
Speaker 3: learned a lot from him, Still learned a lot, you know,

1002
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 3: to this day. But yeah, it was one of the first.

1003
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,399
Speaker 2: Tell me how it was when you start getting them

1004
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: packages just like.

1005
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: Everything everything, everybody.

1006
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: I couldn't speak from, you know, like you said, we're

1007
00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 2: younger to you, so I could speak from the space

1008
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 2: of like being on the brand, being you know, one

1009
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,280
Speaker 2: of the We came in the second year of Exist.

1010
00:46:57,440 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 4: The first group was.

1011
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:02,640
Speaker 2: Then Kid Jones and those guys, and Van Baker and

1012
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: those guys. So then Derek Andisons and then the second year,

1013
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 2: our rookie year, we get picked. Then we like, we

1014
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 2: don't even know what to do. And then you know,

1015
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,680
Speaker 2: you go, I don't know how long before, but then

1016
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 2: when you signed, start getting Dereck Jeter stuff like too,

1017
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: and like like baseball jersey and stuff like how was.

1018
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 4: That for you to have?

1019
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: Kind of like you were the first baseball to crack

1020
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 2: and you were the first one to like open this

1021
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 2: lane up, and like you look at all the y'all,

1022
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,439
Speaker 2: ye have Mollina's and all the tons of other dudes.

1023
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,520
Speaker 2: It's under Jordan Rich I got your saint Lewis. You

1024
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 2: was the originator of that. And you really like I

1025
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 2: got a pair of kicks. I don't you know this,

1026
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 2: But they got a Derek g the pair of kicks

1027
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 2: out the Jordanie Levins. It's two versions up. So it's

1028
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 2: a low cut. You know how they came with the

1029
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 2: low cut. I know he here represented, so he know

1030
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about. He speak this language. The low cuts, right,

1031
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: those are the record ones.

1032
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 4: You look on the end of that. You look Google.

1033
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 4: It's Google for everybody. It's like two hundred.

1034
00:47:58,239 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: Dollars on stock X to the price and and all that.

1035
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 2: I do this.

1036
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 4: I know this.

1037
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 2: So the mids though, like the regular space damn joints

1038
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,720
Speaker 2: rumors allegedly anywhere from twenty three to fifty thousand.

1039
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 4: Are you aware of that?

1040
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 3: I got something?

1041
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,240
Speaker 1: I got something.

1042
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 2: Look, I got something. I got a twenty five or

1043
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:24,839
Speaker 2: something waiting. If the chips go down, I'm gonna call

1044
00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: up somebody and put them on the market.

1045
00:48:26,520 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 4: He made what's happening?

1046
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 5: Like?

1047
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 2: Look, I feel like I can get a hundred for

1048
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 2: him because it's you know, you know, they mine and

1049
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 2: they're his, you know, so it's a double and.

1050
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: They rare in case of emergency break lives.

1051
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 2: Hey, listen, that's like that. I gotta put them in

1052
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 2: a special little oak chase so they don't nothing don't happen.

1053
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: I grew up there. I got the laces and everything.

1054
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,360
Speaker 2: You know, everything is better when you got the box

1055
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 2: and laces. Ain't none of that temperament, nothing is nessed.

1056
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 2: The dog on the little plastic rap ain't even crumbled

1057
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 2: up on it. I looked out with him. I said,

1058
00:48:53,560 --> 00:48:55,439
Speaker 2: damn one, stay so I said, they sway, it ain't

1059
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: gonna we I just close them back up. A couple

1060
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 2: of years later. How much time go by you how

1061
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: many shoes we get into? I said, Man, look, I said,

1062
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 2: I don't even that's the whole. I think I got them.

1063
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: I said, ship, I got both of them. It's a

1064
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 1: big one. How is it to hear that they want

1065
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 1: to put a shoe and name it the Derek Ga

1066
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 1: Jordan's like, and everybody just go crazy.

1067
00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 4: Baseball with Jordan on them. Now they got everything?

1068
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, you know, part of the

1069
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: thing was when you go into baseball. You know, people

1070
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 3: don't buy cleats and walk around the streets, you know.

1071
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 3: So I didn't really know how it was going to

1072
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 3: be received. But then you know, you do it regular

1073
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 3: shoe and and I think it was received. Well, you

1074
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 3: know it was. It was we didn't know it. Yeah,

1075
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 3: so it was. It was fun. The development process, the

1076
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 3: creative process was fun.

1077
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 4: And that was dope. I know how how they do it.

1078
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 2: So with you, you were pretty much hands on from

1079
00:49:56,760 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 2: after they gave your mind, because I know how they

1080
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: bring you in and they let you you did a

1081
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: great We did an outstanding job. But like, how was

1082
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 2: that for you to actually be brought in and that

1083
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 2: Like it's not like, hey, this is your No, this

1084
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 2: is really I had influence and I impacted.

1085
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:13,359
Speaker 4: I picked and chose different things.

1086
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:13,640
Speaker 2: I was that.

1087
00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 3: It wasn't yeah, you know, it wasn't here's the shoe, right,

1088
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: you know, it was let's sit down, let's talk about it. Yeah,

1089
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 3: you know, what are you into? Now? What's your inspiration?

1090
00:50:22,520 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: And then we start the development process, which takes some time.

1091
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,840
Speaker 3: So I enjoyed that part of it. When I started,

1092
00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 3: I didn't know anything about designing a shoe. But it

1093
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 3: was a fun process to have little things apart. There's

1094
00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 3: still some some secret messages and a lot of the

1095
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 3: shoes that.

1096
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 2: I can imagine because like for us, like we never

1097
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: got like our own own shoe to design and do

1098
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: this and that, but like just for us to get

1099
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: pees and our team colors like whatever the sixes, the twos,

1100
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 2: the eleven in our team. Cause like to us, we

1101
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: got our own shoes in the house of hoops and

1102
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:57,520
Speaker 2: different stuff. And it was like for me, like growing

1103
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: up a kid from Chicago. You know what I'm saying, why,

1104
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: like man, you couldn't tell me a damn thing, like please,

1105
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: like for like for you to be able to really

1106
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,879
Speaker 2: have part of the creative process and know that you're

1107
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 2: about to have a line.

1108
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 4: It was like it was you, and then it was

1109
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 4: Randy Mouse.

1110
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: Randy Mouse came with the football side, and it was

1111
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:18,319
Speaker 2: like y'all open doors for both and it was like

1112
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,840
Speaker 2: y'all were the first ones. And I remember it vividly

1113
00:51:20,880 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 2: because I remember getting all of the year the two

1114
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: jerseys baseball eighty four jerseys for football.

1115
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: You started something that changed my life. It changed my

1116
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: life starting off with an article. Now it's changed my

1117
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 1: life and bringing a podcast that a lot of people appreciate,

1118
00:51:36,840 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: but the Players Tribune, you know, you started something beautiful.

1119
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 1: It went from telling these amazing stories from all sports,

1120
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,560
Speaker 1: not just baseball and basketball, to doing more things and

1121
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 1: creating a podcast and knuckleheads of the football players and

1122
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: even more to come. How was that starting off? What

1123
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,319
Speaker 1: made you started? And you know, what do you think

1124
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: where it's at now?

1125
00:51:58,719 --> 00:51:58,959
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1126
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,440
Speaker 3: You know it's it started. You know, me and Jamie

1127
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:07,719
Speaker 3: Messler started talking about Players Tribute towards the end of

1128
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: my career. You know, I did an article, I did

1129
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 3: an interview towards the end of my career. Well, I

1130
00:52:12,040 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 3: actually wasn't even towards the end of my year. I'll

1131
00:52:13,680 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 3: tell you the exact year. It was two thousand and

1132
00:52:16,600 --> 00:52:22,080
Speaker 3: ten and I had a rough year twenty ten, and

1133
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 3: we were going to play in the playoffs, and someone asked,

1134
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 3: do you have some time doing a playoff edition? Said, yeah,

1135
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: of course, I'm here every day. So I talked to

1136
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 3: a particular person for five minutes, and then the next

1137
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 3: day the headline was is this the end? Somebody was

1138
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 3: just the end of my career and they just threw

1139
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:45,880
Speaker 3: my quotes in there. You know, so I'm validating the

1140
00:52:45,920 --> 00:52:49,239
Speaker 3: stories right, trying to end my career. Say, you know,

1141
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 3: there's got to be a better way to do this, man,

1142
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 3: And and you know, talking to people not only in baseball,

1143
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: but other sports as well. Anyone that says that the

1144
00:52:56,280 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: relationship between athletes and journalists reporters is not fractured, they're

1145
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 3: lying to you, right, it is. And it's the trust factor. Yeah,

1146
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: there's some people that you are not saying that all

1147
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 3: reporters are out to get tracked. That's not the case,

1148
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:11,879
Speaker 3: but there's a trust factor. It takes a long time

1149
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,080
Speaker 3: to develop and earn trust. So you said, look, there's

1150
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 3: a better way to do this, and then we're going

1151
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,799
Speaker 3: to build a company that's built on trust. And we

1152
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 3: want to make sure that we give athletes a chance

1153
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: to shine in the areas that they want to shine

1154
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:26,239
Speaker 3: and let you do what you're most comfortable doing and

1155
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 3: let you be creative. She'd be the creative ones. And

1156
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,440
Speaker 3: we're here to support you. And so you know, you

1157
00:53:31,480 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 3: talk about things that you accomplished in your career, I'm

1158
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,240
Speaker 3: as proud of what we've done at the Players Tribute

1159
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 3: because it gives you all and you get a chance

1160
00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:42,320
Speaker 3: to do what you want to do, man and shine

1161
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 3: a light on you. And another thing is when you

1162
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 3: when you're playing, career is over. Life ain't over. You

1163
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 3: know you're an athlete. You know you're lucky. What I

1164
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 3: think the average baseball career is five years. I think

1165
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 3: the NBA is four. I think the NFL's three. So

1166
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 3: what you get to the league when you're twenty one,

1167
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 3: twenty two. Your life supposed to be over when you're

1168
00:54:00,920 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 3: twenty four.

1169
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: And me and him talk about it all the time,

1170
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,359
Speaker 2: like when you when you're an athlete in sports, whether

1171
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 2: it's baseball, football, tennis, I don't.

1172
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 4: Care what it is.

1173
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 2: Like we get asks to climb the mountain and make

1174
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,200
Speaker 2: it all the way to the top of our industry,

1175
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 2: to the pinnacles far as you can go to NBA whatever,

1176
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: and then you got a shelf life.

1177
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:23,799
Speaker 4: Whereas if you.

1178
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 2: Make a doctor, a judge or a lawyer or whatever

1179
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 2: you do, you could do that until you die making

1180
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 2: the top money. We get a shelf life. And then

1181
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 2: when that shelf life is over, if you're lucky, you know,

1182
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:37,319
Speaker 2: like if you one of the great great grace, like

1183
00:54:37,480 --> 00:54:39,400
Speaker 2: you know, MJU. Some of the guys get to go

1184
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 2: right there on the ticket. But even still with you guys,

1185
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 2: no matter how much money you make. I mean, that's

1186
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:46,480
Speaker 2: why I say, it's no matter who you are, it's

1187
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 2: for every one of us, no matter if you the

1188
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 2: riches of the ridge or the poorest of the poor.

1189
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 2: You steal at best, Like what thirty five? You gotta live,

1190
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 2: You gotta do a whole life. So now you forced

1191
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: to go pro again. If you want to do anything

1192
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,239
Speaker 2: something else, you gotta make it till you gotta Like

1193
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 2: now you gotta climb that letter again. Like that's basically

1194
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 2: what we just had to do. Like we retired, had

1195
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 2: our careers whatever, thirteen ten year career, and it's like, cool,

1196
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: you did this and you did that.

1197
00:55:12,480 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 4: Okay, who cares?

1198
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like when I walked in on the front office

1199
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,920
Speaker 2: to work as director of player development with the Detroit Piston,

1200
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 2: Stan Van Gundy hired me. Every piece of information and

1201
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 2: advice I got was like, no one cares that you

1202
00:55:27,360 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 2: play in the NBA. If you walk in the door

1203
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:31,040
Speaker 2: trying to act like you're still a player, like you're

1204
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 2: not gonna get no respect and you're gonna be gone.

1205
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 2: So it's like, damn, what am I supposed to do.

1206
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 2: And it was like, you know, it's a message in

1207
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: that you got to decipher. And it's like, no, you don't,

1208
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,399
Speaker 2: not forget you playing in the lead. That's what makes

1209
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,400
Speaker 2: me special that I can walk in the door with

1210
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: thirteen years of Planet Spiz that you other front office

1211
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 2: people can't. Like, you all got something I don't got. Right,

1212
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 2: you guys have watched the games, you did this or whatever,

1213
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 2: maybe you graduated college, you did whatever, But like I got.

1214
00:55:55,960 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 4: Something that nobody can. You can't get this.

1215
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 2: I played, I can learn the CBA, I could watch

1216
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:04,840
Speaker 2: as many games as you watch. I can hire somebody

1217
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: to do what you do. You can never attain what

1218
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,439
Speaker 2: I attained on the level that I attained it being

1219
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: in those seats, being on those planes, understanding your teammates

1220
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 2: and players. Nobody knows that more than we do when

1221
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:19,879
Speaker 2: you are in those places. And so that's why I say,

1222
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,680
Speaker 2: like for us, it's like you gotta go pro again,

1223
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 2: fair or not. And I mean I'm like I said,

1224
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,160
Speaker 2: like he did. We appreciate this platform because it allowed

1225
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:30,319
Speaker 2: us to do it in a way that was very

1226
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 2: familiar for us and something that's like even fun and

1227
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 2: we get something out of it. It's not like this

1228
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 2: ain't worked for us. We sitting here talking to Derek

1229
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 2: fucking Jeter.

1230
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,400
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, Like this is we good?

1231
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 2: Like we would be at home watching games talking about

1232
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 2: this player talk for free, and we do it every

1233
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 2: day while we still got this job. We watched every

1234
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: summer league game, we watched the Olympics, we watch the season,

1235
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 2: and we sit on the phone while we're watching the game, like, man,

1236
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 2: look at this, look at that, Like we're doing what

1237
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: our job is regardless. So it's a blessing that you

1238
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 2: created this platform and we get a chance to go

1239
00:57:04,440 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 2: pro again and be here at flourishing and then it's

1240
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 2: just dope.

1241
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,279
Speaker 4: Man, We salute you for that.

1242
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, my experience on it. He was telling me about

1243
00:57:12,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Speaker 1: Players Tribune and I did the article that day. And

1244
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 1: when I did the article, I went back to the

1245
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: hotel and we came to the party and the mansion,

1246
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: and from doing the article to get into that mansion

1247
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: and before it got the party and drinking or whatever,

1248
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: it was like a meeting amongst all athletes. It wasn't

1249
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:37,280
Speaker 1: just football or basketball. It was some of everybody, rappers, singers, swimmers,

1250
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: tennis players and all that, and you don't get that

1251
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:43,080
Speaker 1: nowhere but the spies that the award shows or something

1252
00:57:43,120 --> 00:57:46,000
Speaker 1: like a sports award show. To get that just on

1253
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: a random day in the summer, I thought it was

1254
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: just a different environment. It was something I wanted to

1255
00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: be a part of as an athlete. That's why I

1256
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:55,080
Speaker 1: was so happy that I had the opportunity to do

1257
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: the knuckle and do it with Players Tribune and continue

1258
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:00,600
Speaker 1: to be a part of the brand, because I feel

1259
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 1: like it's a dope brand. You started something that's truly

1260
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: meant for athletes, and I'm glad that we're part of us.

1261
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 1: So thank you man.

1262
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 3: Look Like I said all the time, athletes aren't two dimensional.

1263
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 3: You know, it's not just in order for you to

1264
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 3: get to the top of your profession. It takes a

1265
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 3: lot of discipline, hard work. Right, just because you dedicated

1266
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:23,560
Speaker 3: your life to your sport, it doesn't mean now you

1267
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,760
Speaker 3: can't dedicate your life to doing something else and be

1268
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: successful at it. Because it's not all of a sudden

1269
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: that you got to figure out a new work ethic

1270
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 3: in order to get there. Just to find something else

1271
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 3: that you're passionate about, work at it and you can

1272
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 3: be successful at it. So that was the idea behind

1273
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,720
Speaker 3: the Tribune, and we wanted people, we want you to

1274
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 3: be greative, what do you like, what do you want

1275
00:58:44,120 --> 00:58:46,400
Speaker 3: to do next, What do you want to try next?

1276
00:58:46,840 --> 00:58:49,080
Speaker 3: You know, it's okay to try something new and fail.

1277
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: That was the thing that we grew to come to

1278
00:58:52,360 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: love about doing is because we you know, obviously we

1279
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 2: coming to it like what the hell are we doing?

1280
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:57,800
Speaker 4: We don't know.

1281
00:58:57,880 --> 00:58:59,959
Speaker 2: But then after you do it for a while, like anything,

1282
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: and yes, you started figuring different things out and find

1283
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: your way. And for us it was like damn, like

1284
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,320
Speaker 2: we really got to see like from cause most of

1285
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: the guys we talked to we know them.

1286
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 4: We know them and we talk to them more than

1287
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,360
Speaker 4: just when we do the interview.

1288
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 2: So it was like setting it up being actually doing

1289
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 2: it then talking to them out It's like I get

1290
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,560
Speaker 2: the feedback to know that we are a place of

1291
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: a conference zone, we're a safe place for them because

1292
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,600
Speaker 2: like and we make it sure that they know before

1293
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 2: they even sit down and before they come like, look, man,

1294
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 2: we wanted y'all were not trying to no clickbait.

1295
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 4: We don't want to.

1296
00:59:32,080 --> 00:59:34,680
Speaker 2: Know like cause we feel like it's a million you

1297
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:39,160
Speaker 2: know outlets out there to do a tremendous better than

1298
00:59:39,200 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: a good job of reporting everything bad that all of

1299
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,520
Speaker 2: us do as athletes, whatever it may be, from whatever

1300
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 2: to whatever, Like that's always.

1301
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,680
Speaker 4: In the forefront. You know what I'm saying, Boom bam,

1302
00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:48,480
Speaker 4: this person did that.

1303
00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: Ah.

1304
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 2: So it's like for us, it's like we're not ignorant.

1305
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:53,560
Speaker 2: We don't not know that you did bad things. But

1306
00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:56,720
Speaker 2: that's not what our platform is about. We gonna illuminate

1307
00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:59,240
Speaker 2: everything good that you did, and even if it's got

1308
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,000
Speaker 2: something to do with it mistake you made, it, you

1309
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,919
Speaker 2: came out of that good. We don't talk about that

1310
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: instead of just highlighting that mistake because we want to

1311
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: be at a show.

1312
01:00:06,120 --> 01:00:06,880
Speaker 4: We not perfect.

1313
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 2: We never talked about we got more mistakes or as

1314
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 2: many mistakes as anybody between the two of us. So

1315
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 2: we represent that and we want to show people that

1316
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:17,720
Speaker 2: you could still be a good person, have a successful life,

1317
01:00:17,760 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 2: have a good life, no matter what you've been through.

1318
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 2: Because me and my boy didn't been through some of

1319
01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,280
Speaker 2: the toughest shit you could talk about, and we still

1320
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 2: here smiling and having fun and still trying to make

1321
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: other people happy and.

1322
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:30,080
Speaker 1: Asked you about, you know what your rival with the

1323
01:00:30,120 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 1: Red Sox and all that stuff. How was it to

1324
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 1: get a standing ovation in Fenway on your lad I

1325
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: say it was that weird.

1326
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 3: I was that But you have to you have to

1327
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 3: go back to some of the things I've heard playing.

1328
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: But one thing I get, you know, one thing I

1329
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 3: give to the fans in Boston. They are as knowledgeable

1330
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 3: as any fans in the game. And they may boo you,

1331
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 3: they may talk about you, they may talk about your family,

1332
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:07,880
Speaker 3: they may talk about your friends, but deep down, if

1333
01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:11,320
Speaker 3: you can play, they respect you right and and that

1334
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 3: show the last game I played, last games I played there,

1335
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 3: and that's if we would have been playing anywhere else,

1336
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:18,360
Speaker 3: I just wouldn't have played. I would just shut it

1337
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 3: down after my last game in Yankee Stadium. But I

1338
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 3: played out of respect to the fans and to their organization.

1339
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:26,000
Speaker 1: But they appreciate competition.

1340
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

1341
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: It was.

1342
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was strange. You know, you're looking around like

1343
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:30,120
Speaker 3: what's happening.

1344
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:30,919
Speaker 1: That's the first time.

1345
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: I think that's I think, like you said, I think

1346
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 2: that's you know, for a fan base, especially as Rabbit

1347
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,919
Speaker 2: and is passionate for their team, as they I think

1348
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:43,280
Speaker 2: that's the ultimate show of respect. Like listen, like this

1349
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:46,120
Speaker 2: guy has been on Nemesis for for I don't know

1350
01:01:46,280 --> 01:01:48,840
Speaker 2: decades or whatever it is, and like he's really cost

1351
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:52,600
Speaker 2: us world series. But like we have to respect and

1352
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,720
Speaker 2: appreciate it, honor his greatness. I think that that speaks

1353
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 2: volumes for them. Like you say, to know all the

1354
01:01:58,440 --> 01:02:00,240
Speaker 2: things they said to you over the year is a

1355
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 2: d n for that final time to see you, they

1356
01:02:02,120 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: send you off the right way to me, salute Boston.

1357
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: That was that was dope. What was your mindset? You know,

1358
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 1: you the all time Yankee hit her. You know it's

1359
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 1: a lot of hiss. What's your mindset going up to

1360
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: back every bat? Like, what was the mindset? What was

1361
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: the goal?

1362
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:23,959
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know I was it was we talked about

1363
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 3: it a game you failed seventy percent of the time.

1364
01:02:26,120 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 3: You go to the Hall of Fame. Yeah, any other

1365
01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 3: sports or any other professions, maybe weather man, all right,

1366
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 3: So it was you have to have a short memory.

1367
01:02:40,320 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 3: You have to be able to forget what's already happened.

1368
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 3: I was pretty good at putting the past behind me.

1369
01:02:46,600 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 3: I'd be over twenty and in my mind, long averages

1370
01:02:49,520 --> 01:02:51,880
Speaker 3: on my side right. You know I'm due for it.

1371
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 2: Sim that's my last miss Steve Nash about me, I

1372
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 2: don't remember. I got a short memory.

1373
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: Because you're crazy.

1374
01:02:59,160 --> 01:02:59,960
Speaker 3: I got a time.

1375
01:03:00,080 --> 01:03:01,160
Speaker 1: You need to stop shooting.

1376
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,840
Speaker 2: No, no, see that's the that's the misnomer. You missed

1377
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:06,680
Speaker 2: every single shot you do not take.

1378
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 1: Everyone, unless you give me the ball.

1379
01:03:10,800 --> 01:03:13,959
Speaker 2: No, you missed every single shot you do not take.

1380
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:15,360
Speaker 4: That is a fact.

1381
01:03:15,480 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 1: You're thank you.

1382
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,680
Speaker 2: That's the shooter's mentality. Everybody, all you young boys out there,

1383
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 2: they won't be a bucket. Remember that have a short

1384
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: memory and you missed every shot you don't take.

1385
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: Uh, when you retired. It was a commercial, a Nike commercial.

1386
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: I thought this was a dope commercial. I thought it

1387
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:34,200
Speaker 1: was a good tribute for you. It was the commercial.

1388
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:36,520
Speaker 1: It was the Nike hat commercial. When you came up

1389
01:03:36,560 --> 01:03:39,600
Speaker 1: to that you you tipped your hat and then it

1390
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:43,600
Speaker 1: it had the Red Sox fans and the Dodgers fans. Uh.

1391
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,120
Speaker 1: When you've seen that commercial, Like, what did you like

1392
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,120
Speaker 1: about that commercial?

1393
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:52,840
Speaker 3: I like the fact that it wasn't just about baseball. Yes,

1394
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:55,520
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. It was about all sports.

1395
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: Had all types of fans from everywhere, from New York, Boston,

1396
01:04:00,080 --> 01:04:05,919
Speaker 3: and so I think it's one of those moments where

1397
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:10,160
Speaker 3: you realize that when you have a long career, you

1398
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 3: may have had an impact on people from all walks

1399
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,960
Speaker 3: of life. I'm saying it's all good. I'm not trying

1400
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 3: to it's all good, but but you've had an impact

1401
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:19,520
Speaker 3: on people's lives and if they were a fan, whether

1402
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 3: they liked you or hated you, it doesn't make a difference.

1403
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 3: But there were memories that you were a part of

1404
01:04:26,400 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 3: from people from all different walks of life.

1405
01:04:28,840 --> 01:04:30,880
Speaker 4: Let me ask you this question. I like to ask.

1406
01:04:31,120 --> 01:04:33,959
Speaker 2: I don't want to hear about you know, like, yeah,

1407
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 2: I took care of my mom, I bought a house.

1408
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 2: I want to know, because like baseball, money looked like ridiculous.

1409
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 3: Basketball is ridiculous.

1410
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:47,040
Speaker 2: Now, Like come on, man, now, like now we catch nothing, dude,

1411
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:51,520
Speaker 2: like you passed this now. Ain't nobody in the NBA

1412
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,040
Speaker 2: ever seen no three hundred million dollar contract.

1413
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 4: So that's all I'm gonna do.

1414
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just say that, Like baseball was like for

1415
01:04:57,320 --> 01:04:58,840
Speaker 2: a minute, I was like, goodness, I was like, do

1416
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,040
Speaker 2: my Ki'd eat an? But it was like I thought

1417
01:05:02,040 --> 01:05:03,920
Speaker 2: I decided it was too many money league, But like

1418
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,160
Speaker 2: I want to know when you got the bad because

1419
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 2: you got a you know, a couple have me. I

1420
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:11,520
Speaker 2: ain't counting part you got enough bags, So you know

1421
01:05:11,560 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, like, what did you do? Like I'm

1422
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:17,200
Speaker 2: talking about stunt tastic, about the conservative good guy Derek.

1423
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 2: I want to hear about that that that that was

1424
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:22,000
Speaker 2: listening to Tupac or whoever said.

1425
01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:22,640
Speaker 4: I'm copying.

1426
01:05:22,800 --> 01:05:29,240
Speaker 3: First thing I bought Mitchell bit three thousand, eighteen years

1427
01:05:29,240 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 3: old after my first year popped to Tony Terry CD

1428
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:34,280
Speaker 3: in there, Tony.

1429
01:05:35,080 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 4: I need to get the whips. I need to hear

1430
01:05:36,680 --> 01:05:37,120
Speaker 4: how you was.

1431
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:40,000
Speaker 2: You know what I'm talking about, Tony Terry blasting out

1432
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 2: the speakers. I'm cracking and you think you're the biggest

1433
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 2: thing in the world right now. So that's what I'm

1434
01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:50,040
Speaker 2: taking that. Me and him, man Escalades, I had a

1435
01:05:50,040 --> 01:05:51,920
Speaker 2: white woe with a hunting supposed datings and he had

1436
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:53,760
Speaker 2: a black one with gold. We had the same exact

1437
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,720
Speaker 2: truck and I told him better be yours talk about

1438
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,000
Speaker 2: you know, so you know you couldn't tell none about.

1439
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:02,280
Speaker 4: Nothing like that's like to me.

1440
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:05,600
Speaker 2: I know, like when you get in the grand scheme

1441
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,920
Speaker 2: of things that's like so small, but like when you

1442
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,920
Speaker 2: really think about for me, that's like one of the

1443
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,600
Speaker 2: most enjoyable and best moments of your whole because nothing

1444
01:06:14,600 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 2: that like you say when you talk about your first

1445
01:06:16,160 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 2: like that's the first time you get to life.

1446
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 4: What am I gonna do?

1447
01:06:19,080 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 2: Like it's like all right, like what and then like

1448
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 2: when you do it, it's just like I remember sitting

1449
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 2: in my car.

1450
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 4: I just sat there like.

1451
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 2: Something about like I'm just looking around, looking in the

1452
01:06:27,800 --> 01:06:31,360
Speaker 2: back seat, like turn the music up, get outside, look

1453
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,320
Speaker 2: at the rings like like I did, just like, well,

1454
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: you can't tell me a thing like and if I

1455
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,200
Speaker 2: really really just want you, I could go get something else,

1456
01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 2: Like I was like that feeling to me from coming

1457
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,560
Speaker 2: from the hood. Dude, you can't tell me I was

1458
01:06:44,560 --> 01:06:46,760
Speaker 2: the happiest dude in the world on a planet, Like

1459
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:51,040
Speaker 2: you couldn't tell me nothing like you feel like some

1460
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: of the simplest things to us, those of us that

1461
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 2: didn't really have before. That's why I always love to

1462
01:06:56,040 --> 01:06:58,000
Speaker 2: ask that question, like what what did you do? Because

1463
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 2: I want to know, like what do people do when

1464
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 2: they got I know what I did? I want to

1465
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 2: go crazy. I had a little sense I total, but

1466
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 2: it was like, I want to go crazy.

1467
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:11,480
Speaker 1: Like your owner. And you're a historian, you know the game.

1468
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:16,240
Speaker 1: So I got a game for you to start, bench trade.

1469
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,920
Speaker 1: You gotta start one player. You gotta trade one player.

1470
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:23,320
Speaker 1: You gotta bench one player. And and these are all

1471
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 1: shortstops Man cal Ripkins Jr. Cal Ripkr Larkin and Oi Smith?

1472
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: Who do you start? Who do you trade? No, don't

1473
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: cut the card, do flips.

1474
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 3: This this I'm gonna be political, but I'm being political

1475
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 3: for a reason. It depends on who else you got

1476
01:07:47,440 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 3: on your team.

1477
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:51,040
Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

1478
01:07:54,280 --> 01:07:59,200
Speaker 3: You know, because Ozzie is the best defender. Everybody's good, right,

1479
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:04,720
Speaker 3: I mean Hall of Famers, right, Yeah, Ozzy's the best defender. Yeah. Uh,

1480
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:06,520
Speaker 3: cow is going to have more power.

1481
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1482
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 3: Barry does a little bit of everything everything, So it depends.

1483
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1484
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: This ain't my first interview.

1485
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,800
Speaker 1: I just thought there was three good ones though, because

1486
01:08:17,800 --> 01:08:20,000
Speaker 1: then my guys, all, I was doing an.

1487
01:08:19,960 --> 01:08:22,080
Speaker 3: Interview one time. This was towards the end of my career,

1488
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 3: and the guy who was interviewing he says to me,

1489
01:08:24,000 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 3: he said, you know, it seems like when I asked

1490
01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,000
Speaker 3: you a question, you go through fifteen different answers in

1491
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 3: which direction you could take the answer absolutely correct.

1492
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 2: I mean, well, I think that's like that's like a

1493
01:08:37,200 --> 01:08:40,200
Speaker 2: it's like a version of PTSD from playing so long

1494
01:08:40,240 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 2: in New York.

1495
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:44,559
Speaker 1: We represent the women on this show. We have a

1496
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 1: lot of w n b A players that we try

1497
01:08:46,520 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: to show a lot of love to and a lot

1498
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: of women that is breaking barriers. A lot of women

1499
01:08:50,800 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 1: is trying to ensume maybe maybe next year of the

1500
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,640
Speaker 1: year after, we're gonna have a woman coach. But you

1501
01:08:56,760 --> 01:09:00,439
Speaker 1: hired the first women's GM. How was that for you?

1502
01:09:00,479 --> 01:09:03,559
Speaker 1: What made you decision to take the first step and

1503
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 1: to recognize what she do off the field and what

1504
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: she do outside of her being a woman to bring

1505
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,240
Speaker 1: it into a role like GM.

1506
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:16,120
Speaker 3: That she was the best person for the job. Know,

1507
01:09:16,200 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 3: that's that's it.

1508
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 2: People everybody here that say that for the g for

1509
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,519
Speaker 2: the people in the bank.

1510
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, because you know, people are like, oh,

1511
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:30,080
Speaker 3: it's such a historic moment, historic decisions. Hired to make history.

1512
01:09:30,680 --> 01:09:32,639
Speaker 3: Hire because we got a job to do down here,

1513
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:34,599
Speaker 3: and you know what I mean. And you know I've

1514
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,680
Speaker 3: met Kim, she was the assistant GM. Early on in

1515
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: my career in New York. People like, oh, well, you

1516
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,280
Speaker 3: know Kim and you're comfortable with Kim. Well, Kim was

1517
01:09:43,479 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 3: in the arbitration case against me, you know what I mean, Like,

1518
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 3: I'm friendly with you know, but I would always check

1519
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:52,599
Speaker 3: in this in her career, you know, throughout the years.

1520
01:09:52,640 --> 01:09:54,280
Speaker 3: You hear about she went to l A and then

1521
01:09:54,280 --> 01:09:57,519
Speaker 3: she's in Central Baseball and I reached out to Kim

1522
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 3: and I explained what the opportunity was and she was

1523
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,120
Speaker 3: the best person for the job. I mean, that's it,

1524
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:02,720
Speaker 3: straight up.

1525
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 1: You know the camp that's.

1526
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 4: Like when you look at job to do, Yeah, you

1527
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 4: just got work to do that.

1528
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,320
Speaker 2: But now that's like when I watch everything that's going

1529
01:10:14,360 --> 01:10:16,559
Speaker 2: on with Becky Hammond, that's that's a lot of the things.

1530
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: The same sentiments as she echoed, like I don't want

1531
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,240
Speaker 2: to be hired because of, you know, trying to make it.

1532
01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 2: I want to be hired because I fit the description

1533
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: of what you want as a GM nothing more or

1534
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:31,280
Speaker 2: nothing less, and that's what it should be. I totally agree,

1535
01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:32,680
Speaker 2: and I you know what I'm saying. I commend you

1536
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,160
Speaker 2: for doing that because that's that's the way it should be.

1537
01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 2: And like you said, it wasn't about making history of

1538
01:10:37,280 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 2: doing ABC was about getting the best person for the job,

1539
01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 2: and you guys did your work and identify her as

1540
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:46,599
Speaker 2: being there. So congratulations to her for that, and more

1541
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:47,559
Speaker 2: people should do it.

1542
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 3: Soon come and now she got a job.

1543
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 5: Dora up reiterated from the boss, who do not the

1544
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:58,360
Speaker 5: top five baseball players, but who were your favorite five

1545
01:10:58,680 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 5: baseball players to watch?

1546
01:11:01,080 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 3: Winfield was first watching Dave. I mean you met. I

1547
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,920
Speaker 3: watched shortstops. You know Ozzie. Everyone knows about Ozzie Smith.

1548
01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 3: I was in Michigan Alan Trammel playing shortstop marking went

1549
01:11:15,120 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 3: to University of Michigan. Watched him too, So I sort

1550
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:21,120
Speaker 3: of watched a lot of shortstops.

1551
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: Tell me what's your what's your best advice for up

1552
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:28,799
Speaker 2: and coming not even just baseball player, just athlete?

1553
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 4: What would you what would your advice be to him?

1554
01:11:33,400 --> 01:11:38,720
Speaker 3: One focused on academics, That's number one, because I don't

1555
01:11:38,720 --> 01:11:41,360
Speaker 3: care how good you are. You know you want to

1556
01:11:41,400 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 3: play away, one step away from your career possibly over.

1557
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 3: So get the most out of your athletic ability if

1558
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 3: that can help you get your education. Get your education.

1559
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:56,680
Speaker 3: Don't let anyone out work you. I never want to

1560
01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:01,000
Speaker 3: be someone that my career is over with say, well,

1561
01:12:01,080 --> 01:12:03,240
Speaker 3: I wish I would have just worked a little harder.

1562
01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,640
Speaker 3: If I would have done this, maybe things would have

1563
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,880
Speaker 3: turned out a little bit differently. So no excuse for say,

1564
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 3: you're always gonna to find someone's more talented. Always someones

1565
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:14,960
Speaker 3: got more talent, but there's no reason why someone should work.

1566
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:21,200
Speaker 1: How can more black players be in baseball? Would you

1567
01:12:21,240 --> 01:12:23,720
Speaker 1: think the remedy of that they're not getting from? Like

1568
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,519
Speaker 1: back in the day, it was more black players. Back

1569
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:28,680
Speaker 1: in the day, we didn't have cell phones and computers

1570
01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: than we do now, Like, what if you have one?

1571
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,560
Speaker 3: What's the remedy for defensive to play baseball? Now? It

1572
01:12:35,680 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 3: definitely all there's travel teams and it takes money to

1573
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 3: do it. Man. And then another thing you need to

1574
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 3: fix is you got more scholarships in the other sports.

1575
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:47,000
Speaker 3: So you know, if you're coming up in the inner

1576
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:49,040
Speaker 3: city and you're trying to figure out how to go

1577
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,280
Speaker 3: to college, how many scholarships are in football, man, fifty

1578
01:12:52,439 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 3: sixty something like that. Baseball is like ten eleven, I think,

1579
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 3: So it's it's don't quote me on the number, but

1580
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 3: there's more, there's more scholarship, there's more opportunities playing the

1581
01:13:02,800 --> 01:13:04,920
Speaker 3: other sports, and it's just gotten to be too expensive.

1582
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:06,960
Speaker 3: And I think, you know, every I think baseball is

1583
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 3: trying to focus on getting more kids to play, you know,

1584
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 3: but it's it's tough, man, travel ball fix Yeah, man,

1585
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 3: I mean it's and it's it's no easy fixed because

1586
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:19,840
Speaker 3: if there was an easy answer for it to be

1587
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,240
Speaker 3: fixed already, then also we talked about before the instant gratification.

1588
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:28,000
Speaker 3: You know, you see, you know, you watch college basketball

1589
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 3: and the NBA, watch football. NBA first you don't even

1590
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,439
Speaker 3: see college baseball. You don't, and then if you do

1591
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,639
Speaker 3: see it, you're not going to see.

1592
01:13:35,520 --> 01:13:37,800
Speaker 1: It's a week after summer, you know what I'm saying.

1593
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:40,439
Speaker 1: They show the last couple of games of the thing

1594
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:44,280
Speaker 1: on ESPN. My son I played baseball, and I love baseball,

1595
01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: and I've I've been trying to encourage him for baseball

1596
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: because I see how basketball and football, the tension from

1597
01:13:53,000 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: it and that type of stuff is getting his attention more.

1598
01:13:56,120 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: When I'm telling him, like, man, you're getting a hand

1599
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: in that coordination. Like you thirteen years old, you six foot,

1600
01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 1: you wear a fifteen shoe, You're the only one in

1601
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,240
Speaker 1: your league getting home runs, Like it's gotta be something

1602
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: for you. But you know he leaning towards football, baseball sports, right, it.

1603
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,839
Speaker 3: Is, right, I mean, that's that's what that's the perception.

1604
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,320
Speaker 3: Baseball games are too long. Yeah, hit for three and

1605
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,679
Speaker 3: a half hours. There's no action on the field, right,

1606
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:25,360
Speaker 3: you know, it's you go and everyone strikes out, they

1607
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 3: walk or hit home run.

1608
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 1: But we can't play two basketball games in the day

1609
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:31,599
Speaker 1: like you see. You guys, they'll play a morning game

1610
01:14:31,640 --> 01:14:34,280
Speaker 1: and then they'll play an evening game. You know, you

1611
01:14:34,400 --> 01:14:37,120
Speaker 1: being left field, I mean right field, and you might

1612
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 1: not get the ball hit to you about two times

1613
01:14:39,160 --> 01:14:41,600
Speaker 1: the whole day. You know what I'm saying, You just

1614
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: went up to bed all day. And I'm just trying

1615
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:45,840
Speaker 1: to tell them what baseball brings to him because a

1616
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:48,519
Speaker 1: lot of kids, like they start off with baseball. They

1617
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:50,479
Speaker 1: put you you put your kids in baseball, and then

1618
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,559
Speaker 1: they slowly by junior high high school, they then kind

1619
01:14:53,600 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: of linked and just veer it away from it. Play

1620
01:14:56,960 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 1: every sport too, I tell you, they were every b

1621
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 1: playing every sport.

1622
01:15:01,120 --> 01:15:04,120
Speaker 3: You get kids, you know, I meant parents all the time,

1623
01:15:04,200 --> 01:15:06,479
Speaker 3: they say, you know what, my son is going to

1624
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 3: be the next short stuff for the Yankees.

1625
01:15:07,960 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 4: I'm all right, cool.

1626
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,719
Speaker 3: How old is he for? Come on, man, go play

1627
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,000
Speaker 3: other sports.

1628
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 4: In New York.

1629
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,200
Speaker 2: Dude, bro come up to me with a disc like, yo, yo,

1630
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 2: be check out my son kids, my kid is you.

1631
01:15:22,720 --> 01:15:24,759
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, wording up like how old.

1632
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:25,559
Speaker 4: Is he six?

1633
01:15:25,640 --> 01:15:30,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, bro, he might he might not even play basketball.

1634
01:15:30,760 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 2: He might never play a game like what like like

1635
01:15:33,880 --> 01:15:36,720
Speaker 2: I never understood that, but I get it. This is

1636
01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: what I want to know. Do you see anybody in

1637
01:15:40,520 --> 01:15:44,040
Speaker 2: today's game that kind of reminds you of you, the

1638
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 2: way you played and the way you went about your work.

1639
01:15:49,280 --> 01:15:53,800
Speaker 3: I think there there are people, but I always one

1640
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 3: thing I don't like is when you always try to

1641
01:15:56,240 --> 01:15:58,519
Speaker 3: compare so on and someone. You know. I think it's

1642
01:15:58,600 --> 01:16:02,920
Speaker 3: human nature, you know, but I think it's unfair at.

1643
01:16:02,880 --> 01:16:04,719
Speaker 4: Times, only one one everybody.

1644
01:16:04,840 --> 01:16:06,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think it's be yourself. I mean,

1645
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 3: I like when I watch players, you know, I sit

1646
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,599
Speaker 3: up here in the suite so I can see.

1647
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:16,960
Speaker 4: I said, this is like the best seam in the house.

1648
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:19,439
Speaker 3: I see everything that goes on. I see who's backing

1649
01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 3: up plays. I see when you strike out, what you

1650
01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:25,160
Speaker 3: do in the dugout. I see how you congratulate in

1651
01:16:25,160 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 3: your teammates when they do the right thing. I see

1652
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,720
Speaker 3: all the little things. That's what I try to focus on.

1653
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:32,120
Speaker 3: And and you know, there's a lot of players that

1654
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:34,760
Speaker 3: focus on the little things. But I think one of

1655
01:16:34,840 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 3: the issues is in sports nowadays is they have all

1656
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,479
Speaker 3: these showcases. You know, you go to showcases and it's

1657
01:16:41,880 --> 01:16:44,880
Speaker 3: how hard you can throw, how far you can hit it,

1658
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,600
Speaker 3: how fast can you run, and no one teaches you

1659
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:53,000
Speaker 3: how to win. You know, it's all about individual performance,

1660
01:16:53,080 --> 01:16:56,720
Speaker 3: and then you've got to retrain them to think how

1661
01:16:56,800 --> 01:16:59,120
Speaker 3: you have to win, and that should be the number

1662
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:02,559
Speaker 3: one priority. And unfortunately, I don't think that's always the case,

1663
01:17:02,600 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 3: not for every time.

1664
01:17:03,320 --> 01:17:06,040
Speaker 2: While you never liked all star games and camps, he

1665
01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:08,720
Speaker 2: never was that guy that, like I would try, I

1666
01:17:08,720 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 2: would try to be like, yo, when you go here,

1667
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,800
Speaker 2: you gotta do your stuff and show everybody.

1668
01:17:13,320 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 4: He didn't get into that.

1669
01:17:14,479 --> 01:17:17,160
Speaker 2: He was a team player, so he would be like,

1670
01:17:17,320 --> 01:17:19,719
Speaker 2: I'm not about to be out here wrestling with people

1671
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 2: for possessions and points. You know how sometimes guys get

1672
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: the camps they want to shoot then just be like okay,

1673
01:17:26,080 --> 01:17:28,000
Speaker 2: like I'm not about to like I'm gonna just play.

1674
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,720
Speaker 1: We used to go to Nike Camp and all that.

1675
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,479
Speaker 1: You know, all these guys rank and this is the

1676
01:17:31,560 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: place where they show where they can step up and

1677
01:17:34,200 --> 01:17:36,519
Speaker 1: rank and all this stuff. And I used to be like, hey,

1678
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,719
Speaker 1: go ahead, do you you know what I'm saying. It's

1679
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:42,240
Speaker 1: just a camp because everybody trying to ball hog. Everybody

1680
01:17:42,240 --> 01:17:44,160
Speaker 1: want to shoot all the shots. But then I see

1681
01:17:44,240 --> 01:17:46,880
Speaker 1: him in aau and I just demolish.

1682
01:17:46,439 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 2: Them, you know, But like this is two different players.

1683
01:17:50,400 --> 01:17:52,680
Speaker 1: When all the top players is there, it's like everybody

1684
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:55,240
Speaker 1: want to It's like you you roughened over everybody. And

1685
01:17:55,320 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: I always want to be a team type player, play

1686
01:17:59,040 --> 01:17:59,559
Speaker 1: the right way.

1687
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:04,280
Speaker 3: Thing is the personal accolades come when you win. Yeah,

1688
01:18:04,439 --> 01:18:08,000
Speaker 3: and everyone wants to be a star first. They want

1689
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 3: to be a star. I get tired of being asked

1690
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:11,599
Speaker 3: the question, how do I build my brand?

1691
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:13,679
Speaker 4: That's the worst.

1692
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:14,679
Speaker 3: How you build your brand?

1693
01:18:14,680 --> 01:18:17,920
Speaker 1: When there you go, they will when some of the

1694
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:21,360
Speaker 1: dopest jerseys in the game. Now, you know you always

1695
01:18:21,400 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 1: love the Yankees, You always love your Cardinal jerseys, but

1696
01:18:24,280 --> 01:18:27,640
Speaker 1: them Marland jerseys with them new colors and stuff like them.

1697
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:28,640
Speaker 1: Some of the dope.

1698
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 3: Jerseys in the game, come back out.

1699
01:18:30,720 --> 01:18:32,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got I had a two at the at

1700
01:18:32,720 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: the crib because I'm a hat guy. But how do

1701
01:18:36,160 --> 01:18:37,799
Speaker 1: you feel about them jerseys?

1702
01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:43,000
Speaker 4: Marlin jersey? Now you're gonna.

1703
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:47,080
Speaker 1: Like I told you, I got Marlin's hats already. I

1704
01:18:47,120 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 1: got a couple of dope ones.

1705
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 4: It's already though.

1706
01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 1: That's why I know, I know, I know.

1707
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 3: The colors are so but we'll get you on.

1708
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you got some.

1709
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:57,880
Speaker 4: We're gonna get you.

1710
01:18:58,680 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 1: You got some of the dope jerkerys in the game.

1711
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,720
Speaker 1: And you know, it's like a new Vamp team, you

1712
01:19:03,760 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You know, when you get new colors,

1713
01:19:05,439 --> 01:19:08,640
Speaker 1: new jerseys and stuff, what do you think about the jerseys?

1714
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 3: Jersey Like, we changed the logo a couple of years

1715
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:13,599
Speaker 3: ago because we wanted a fresh start. You know, this

1716
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:18,320
Speaker 3: is expansion team twenty five years old, twenty seven years old,

1717
01:19:18,760 --> 01:19:20,680
Speaker 3: but we want we look at it as an expansion

1718
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,720
Speaker 3: team starting all over again, because the expectation level now

1719
01:19:23,800 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 3: is an organization is completely different. Right, we got a

1720
01:19:27,760 --> 01:19:30,240
Speaker 3: long long way to go, you know, a long way

1721
01:19:30,280 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 3: to go, but we're getting there. It takes time, unfortunately,

1722
01:19:33,560 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 3: you know, people have to learn. We talk about it.

1723
01:19:35,160 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 3: People have to learn how to win and that goes

1724
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:41,320
Speaker 3: throughout the organization. But we're excited about what we have

1725
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,320
Speaker 3: coming right. I can't get here soon enough.

1726
01:19:44,120 --> 01:19:49,519
Speaker 1: But beautiful stadium. Definitely appreciate being up here. One more question.

1727
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:52,800
Speaker 1: If you and Mike was in the golf game, who

1728
01:19:52,840 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 1: will win?

1729
01:19:53,600 --> 01:19:59,560
Speaker 3: See the great thing about golf thing they call handicaps.

1730
01:20:00,479 --> 01:20:02,080
Speaker 4: So whoever getting.

1731
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,240
Speaker 1: Close to the whole now is where you're from the worst.

1732
01:20:04,600 --> 01:20:08,599
Speaker 3: The worst you are, the more strokes you get evenings out.

1733
01:20:09,120 --> 01:20:11,160
Speaker 3: You know, I just started playing golf when I retired,

1734
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 3: and then I haven't played much in the last four

1735
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 3: years since you've been here. Plus I got two girls,

1736
01:20:16,800 --> 01:20:18,760
Speaker 3: four and two and a half, so I don't have

1737
01:20:18,800 --> 01:20:19,439
Speaker 3: a lot of time.

1738
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they they run and playing whole life.

1739
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,200
Speaker 2: All right, that's been a wrap with the great l

1740
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:31,880
Speaker 2: Capy time. We finally back live on location from the

1741
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:34,400
Speaker 2: Marlin Stadium, his new home.

1742
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,200
Speaker 4: Holding it down. We appreciate you slide through.

1743
01:20:37,240 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 2: This is not only Al Capy time for the Yankees,

1744
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:42,080
Speaker 2: but this is the boss of the boat at the

1745
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 2: Players Tribune. So he created this platform that you all

1746
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,920
Speaker 2: are witness in that song, and we appreciate it.

1747
01:20:48,400 --> 01:21:00,320
Speaker 3: Thanks for having it all right.

1748
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 2: We want to thank y'all for your continued support of

1749
01:21:02,520 --> 01:21:05,600
Speaker 2: the podcast. If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to

1750
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,080
Speaker 2: give us two taps by writing a review and writing

1751
01:21:08,120 --> 01:21:11,280
Speaker 2: five stars wherever you get your podcasts, and make sure

1752
01:21:11,280 --> 01:21:14,400
Speaker 2: to hit that subscribe button so you don't miss an episode.

1753
01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,200
Speaker 2: You can also find all the episodes on the players

1754
01:21:17,240 --> 01:21:21,800
Speaker 2: Tribune YouTube page, follow us on social media at Knuckleheads Podcast,

1755
01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 2: and join our Knuckleheads Facebook group or exclusive content. Thanks

1756
01:21:26,280 --> 01:21:29,479
Speaker 2: again to all of our guests and fans, this wouldn't

1757
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:30,799
Speaker 2: be possible without y'all.

1758
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 3: The Players Tribute dot com