Speaker 1: Welcome to Movie Crush, a production of I Heart Radio.
Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to the Movie Crush Friday Interview Edition.
Speaker 1: I'm sitting here with the wonderful Annie Reese, fellow colleague,
Speaker 1: fellow podcaster. How you doing any I'm doing well. How
Speaker 1: are you during check? I'm great? Yeah. You guys know
Speaker 1: Anye from the Slasher Roundtable episodes. Uh, you educated us
Speaker 1: on the Final Girl, or at least me everyone else?
Speaker 1: Probably right? Did you continue? I thought about that later?
Speaker 1: Did you continue your watching a slasher movie little bit?
Speaker 1: I watched Black Christmas after we recorded, which I loved. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's great, It's it's intense. Yeah, um yeah. And I
Speaker 1: think I said this U on one of the other shows,
Speaker 1: the the Heavy Breather Call or whatever. Yeah, I got
Speaker 1: really pretty extreme. It really did. It was upsetting. I
Speaker 1: thought it was just gonna be like, what are you doing?
Speaker 1: What are you wearing? And it was like really ugly?
Speaker 1: It did? It makes you feel unsettled chriss inside, I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: and especially for the time I thought, Man, I'm surprised
Speaker 1: it kind of went that far right. Oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I had that that too, because I feel like our movies,
Speaker 1: these days are more violent often, but seeing that I
Speaker 1: had a moment of wow. And then also and you
Speaker 1: made the Christmas story because it is the same guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: interesting tensions around Christmas, I suppose. Yeah, it's a really
Speaker 1: weird one two punch. Um. So Annie, first of all,
Speaker 1: we might as well go and plug some stuff that
Speaker 1: you're in. Yeah, right off the bat. Uh, you are
Speaker 1: a co host of Saber, yes, with Lauren here in
Speaker 1: the office. For people that don't know what Saber is
Speaker 1: all about, why don't you give them a little tour
Speaker 1: a tour? Uh. Well, we talked about all things food
Speaker 1: and drink, science, history, culture, and sometimes we're fortunate enough
Speaker 1: to travel. Yeah, what are some of your cooler trips?
Speaker 1: We just did Hawaii. Yeah, or in the middle of
Speaker 1: that mini series right now, talk about spam. We have
Speaker 1: talked about spam. But you know, the interesting thing about
Speaker 1: Hawaii is their cultural cuisine has such a footprint that
Speaker 1: a lot of the foods that you would think of
Speaker 1: when you think of why we had already covered before
Speaker 1: we ever went to Hawaii. Really, so we've already done
Speaker 1: spam and pineapple tie. Um. But there's plenty of things
Speaker 1: to talk about when it comes to why like coffee,
Speaker 1: which was a huge oh yeah tone of coffee. Yes,
Speaker 1: so that was really fun. We've done Asheville and New Orleans,
Speaker 1: but so cool. New Orleans is great, like one of
Speaker 1: the cities that, maybe more so than any other American city,
Speaker 1: feels so uniquely it's self. It's not likely anywhere else. Right,
Speaker 1: it has a distinct presence. Yeah, it feels very European
Speaker 1: and sort of spooky. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, any movie or
Speaker 1: shows that New Orleans automatically has this kind of vibe
Speaker 1: with it. You feel it walking around, Yeah, Like it
Speaker 1: feels like a city of ghosts. And I don't even
Speaker 1: believe in ghosts. Yeah, I know, I'm in the same way.
Speaker 1: I took all these ghost tours and like, I don't
Speaker 1: believe it, but I feel something exactly. The hair on
Speaker 1: the back of my neck says otherwise. Um, where can
Speaker 1: they find savor? Like what days of the week you
Speaker 1: guys published? We do, um, Wednesday, Friday and the occasional
Speaker 1: odd hair Saturday published. If we have content that we think,
Speaker 1: we've got to get this out there. Um, and you
Speaker 1: can find us wherever you find your podcasts, right, yes,
Speaker 1: And how are things going over it? Stuff? Mom never
Speaker 1: told you. Well, there's no shortage of things to talk
Speaker 1: about over there. Yeah, really yeah, surprise, surprise. Um. And
Speaker 1: for people who listen to this show, there are certainly
Speaker 1: a lot of topics we do, Like we did the
Speaker 1: feminism of alien. Yeah, I need to listen to that one. Oh,
Speaker 1: I could have gone on and on. I gotta check
Speaker 1: that out. I had been waiting ever since I started
Speaker 1: on that show to talk about that, And finally it
Speaker 1: was the forty anniversaries. It's perfect. It was there and
Speaker 1: luckily everyone indulged me. And who all was on that?
Speaker 1: Did you have special guests or was it just it
Speaker 1: was pretty much just me? Like and another thing, Well,
Speaker 1: my co host was like nodding patiently. Right. Interesting. That's
Speaker 1: cool that that show has has gone through a lot
Speaker 1: of changes over the years with with hosts our old
Speaker 1: friend Kristen and Caroline. Of course, it's such a great job.
Speaker 1: But I think you'll are doing a wonderful work over
Speaker 1: there and like keeping the spirit alive. Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 1: It's an important time for show like this. Oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it it really is. Um. There's all this talk about
Speaker 1: the Equal Rights Amendment right now, so that's what I'm
Speaker 1: researching and political scandal and how it's different for men
Speaker 1: and women. Is it it is? Are you saying there's
Speaker 1: a double standard. I know it's shocking, isn't it? It
Speaker 1: is shocking. Uh. And I also want to talk really
Speaker 1: quickly before we get going on Spider Man into the
Speaker 1: Spider Verse. I'm so excited. I want to talk about
Speaker 1: Annie in the City. We talked to Paul and I'm
Speaker 1: trying to remember this may come out actually before the
Speaker 1: Lighthouse round table we just did. But any in the
Speaker 1: City is a movie that you start in and co
Speaker 1: wrote with Paul here, who's been on the show a bunch.
Speaker 1: Casey was a cinematographer. Uh, there's you know, our offices
Speaker 1: are make appearance, other co workers make appearances, and I
Speaker 1: need to watch the whole thing. But when I got
Speaker 1: the email the other day that Paul said it was
Speaker 1: on Amazon Prime, I knew I had to leave soon
Speaker 1: and I was like, I gotta at least get a
Speaker 1: sense of it. So I immediately hit play on my
Speaker 1: laptop and watched like fifteen minutes for I to go,
Speaker 1: and I loved what I saw and I can't wait
Speaker 1: to see the rest of it. Yeah, they as you know,
Speaker 1: those are coworkers do fantastic jobs. And when I saw it,
Speaker 1: I was like, I knew it was going to be great,
Speaker 1: but just the the work they put in and the
Speaker 1: attention to detail was amazing. Yeah. So what's what's the
Speaker 1: movie about? Give your summation. Um, it's about somebody and
Speaker 1: this was a really odd part of that movie was
Speaker 1: playing me but not quite me. So it's about a
Speaker 1: young woman in the city in Atlanta, specifically Atlanta is
Speaker 1: a very important part of the story. Yeah, Um, just
Speaker 1: trying to find any sort of meaning or direction or connections. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of feeling isolated, and part of that is how
Speaker 1: our world works now, but also part of it is
Speaker 1: her specifically and just trying to find any sort of direction,
Speaker 1: I guess. Yeah. Um, you know she's got the mom
Speaker 1: character being like, you've gotta put yourself out there. I
Speaker 1: am out there. Um. Yeah, it's the world we live in,
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of what is that called,
Speaker 1: um gentrification? Yes, yeah, look at that happening alongside her story. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: it's a N N E Y in the city. You
Speaker 1: can get on Amazon Prime for free. I think you
Speaker 1: can rent it for a couple of bucks and hats
Speaker 1: off to you guys. It's just, you know, it's really
Speaker 1: easy to talk about doing projects. Making a movie is
Speaker 1: certainly at the the big end of the project spectrum.
Speaker 1: It's very hard to do, very hard to see it
Speaker 1: through and everyone everyone did it. You know. It's it's
Speaker 1: not easy now. It was, and you know, we were
Speaker 1: doing it outside of our day job, as it were,
Speaker 1: And just to see the planning that went into it
Speaker 1: and the dedication of everybody to make it happy, I know,
Speaker 1: and I can't, Like, I have to admit I kept
Speaker 1: waiting for the update of you know, man, we kind
Speaker 1: of quit doing and we kind of scrapped it, but like,
Speaker 1: everyone saw it through. Yeah, I've been on so many
Speaker 1: projects that have done that. Yeah, it's really easy to
Speaker 1: let happen. A week or two goes by, you lose
Speaker 1: some enthusiasm. So I think credit to all of you
Speaker 1: for for keeping that fire burning and like and finishing
Speaker 1: and getting a movie distributed. Yeah. Yeah, it was really
Speaker 1: cool to see it in theaters. We played it at
Speaker 1: a local theater. I was so mad. I was out
Speaker 1: of town. I wanted to go see it at the plaza.
Speaker 1: It was cool. That was a lot of fun. Huh yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of our co workers with the audience,
Speaker 1: so it was a good audience. Yeah. That's a nerve
Speaker 1: wracking too though, right. I sat in the very back
Speaker 1: and like hunched at the bottom. Yeah. I used to
Speaker 1: occasionally when I made short films back in the day,
Speaker 1: we'd have these screenings around Atlanta. Then I would just
Speaker 1: be a wreck, a nervous wreck. Yeah. Pol texted me
Speaker 1: and he said, you know, are you coming, And I said, yes,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna be kind of absent in the back,
Speaker 1: but I'll be there. Yeah. That's a good feeling though.
Speaker 1: It's fun. Yeah, it was really fun. Um and a
Speaker 1: lot of our coworkers have cameos that were fantastic, including
Speaker 1: producer Ramsey. There he is, he just woke up, all right.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about Spider Man into the Spider Verse.
Speaker 1: Uh boy, I'm glad you picked this because it allowed
Speaker 1: me to watch it again, Like it gave me a
Speaker 1: good reason to watch it again. And I think I
Speaker 1: realized this is it may be my favorite superhero movie
Speaker 1: of all time. Me too, me too. I gets right
Speaker 1: up there. And and the fact that it's animated, it
Speaker 1: is not like a disqualifier like it on you have
Speaker 1: to put it in its own thing and say, well,
Speaker 1: this is an animated one compared to like live action.
Speaker 1: It's so good, it's excellent. Um. And thanks again to
Speaker 1: producer Ramsey, who I was so struggling so much with
Speaker 1: this decision and he just pick yeah, and he sort
Speaker 1: of just said to the point, you should do Spider
Speaker 1: Man at the Spider Verse because you saw it like
Speaker 1: five times. Really, what was what else was on the list?
Speaker 1: I know Alien was Alien? Um. I had a bunch
Speaker 1: of I have when it comes to favorites, I have
Speaker 1: my favorite you know MCU movie, and my favorite Star
Speaker 1: Wars movie, my favorite dramatic be my favorite comedy movie.
Speaker 1: So it's trust me. I know it's a very unfair
Speaker 1: thing to say, what's your all time favorite movie. That's
Speaker 1: part of the fun of my side of this, Yes, exactly,
Speaker 1: and see people squirm to struggle so hard. But I
Speaker 1: thought this was a great one because I walked into
Speaker 1: this movie. I'm a huge superhero fan. First of all,
Speaker 1: I grew up reading comics, um, but Spider Man was
Speaker 1: never my thing. Um. I did watch the cartoon, but
Speaker 1: that's because my brother did. And in the past a
Speaker 1: decade or so before the most recent MCU Spider Man
Speaker 1: came out, we've had six Spider Man movies, like rebooted,
Speaker 1: two different, three different dudes, and so I I didn't
Speaker 1: even have plans to see this movie. Did you see
Speaker 1: all those movies? And what? What are your thoughts on
Speaker 1: the three dudes ranked them in order? Okay, Tom Holland
Speaker 1: he's so great. He's great. He's really nailed it. He's great.
Speaker 1: That the scene in the Homecoming where you just remember
Speaker 1: how young he is, he gets kind of choked up.
Speaker 1: He's trying to convince some selfie Spider Man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's number one. And I guess Tobey maguire, yeah. Andrew Garfield, Yeah,
Speaker 1: poor Andrew Garfield. Yeah. Just movies weren't great, No, they
Speaker 1: really weren'd. Um. And I was just thinking the other
Speaker 1: day about how the first Spider Man with Sam Ramy
Speaker 1: and Toby Inquired, that came out right after September eleventh,
Speaker 1: and there's the Twin Towers and that one shot with
Speaker 1: the right between it and I the song at the end.
Speaker 1: People were just crying. Um, this was such a big
Speaker 1: cultural moment. Yeah, I mean I love those Toby McGuire
Speaker 1: movies the third and wasn't great. Liked one I love too.
Speaker 1: I thought two was the best UM with Alpha Molina
Speaker 1: as do Cock. But I have to say this version
Speaker 1: of dot Cock is my favorite. Yes, yes, And that's
Speaker 1: something I kind of love. But I know some people
Speaker 1: don't like. Is that we have this cultural understanding of
Speaker 1: these characters. Generally people know dot Cock, maybe that's all
Speaker 1: you know, but Spider Man dot Cock. So I love
Speaker 1: when UM creators can play with a trope or expectation
Speaker 1: because they know, we're thinking of this one thing of
Speaker 1: this character we love, but what if we saw it,
Speaker 1: imagine in this other way, and how could it look
Speaker 1: and still be respectful and be that character and frightening
Speaker 1: and intimidating. She was such a badass and very like scary,
Speaker 1: and you know when she morphs and puts on the
Speaker 1: goggles and the hair goes up and the just the
Speaker 1: character itself with with all the uh, the tentacles, UM,
Speaker 1: it allows you to do so much with you know,
Speaker 1: using them as legs and arms and also weapons. It's
Speaker 1: just like it's such a palette to work from. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot of criticisms of previous Spider man movies
Speaker 1: have been there's too many villains focused on one villain,
Speaker 1: but I thought this was a great You've got Fisk
Speaker 1: who is dominating the screen, just this big black hole,
Speaker 1: and then you have her and I felt like they
Speaker 1: were both excellent villains. Yeah, there's a lot of I
Speaker 1: mean there's green Goblin is in this this weird like
Speaker 1: badass version. Uh, there's Scorpion. There's a Prowler who was
Speaker 1: super scary in this movie. Yeah. And um, one of
Speaker 1: the things I love about this movie is the soundtrack
Speaker 1: and score. And he has a great score cues. Yeah
Speaker 1: that I love when they're later adapted into Miles this
Speaker 1: theme and then it just shows with music that this
Speaker 1: is his origin story. His uncle is a part of
Speaker 1: his origin story. Yeah. Uh, you have Kingpin, yes, of course. Yes.
Speaker 1: I think Leo Schreiber's the voice. Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: he said he's stuffed tissues in his mouth to make
Speaker 1: it sound like he'd had his nose broken several times.
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, Yeah, I love the second he walked
Speaker 1: on screening and his shoulders take up the whole thing
Speaker 1: and it could look silly, but it just looks so great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit. I mean, we're gonna talk
Speaker 1: about the visuals throughout because it's just off the charts,
Speaker 1: how amazing this movie is visually. Yeah, and the sound
Speaker 1: um directed by Bob Purschetti, Peter Ramsey, and Rodney Rothman
Speaker 1: from a screenplay screenplay by the Great Phil Lord and
Speaker 1: Rothman and from Lord's story. And I didn't know this
Speaker 1: because I was not a comic book kid. Well I was.
Speaker 1: It's embarrassing. And I've talked about this before. I read
Speaker 1: Archie and Richie rich mainly, and that was a great
Speaker 1: They were great. I just I don't know why I
Speaker 1: never got into no one ever exposed me to it.
Speaker 1: I guess superhero comics, because I'm sure I would have
Speaker 1: loved it. But long way of saying, I really don't
Speaker 1: know much about this backstory. And so I read up
Speaker 1: about Miles, uh, the character of Miles, and uh, it
Speaker 1: was created in two thousand eleven. You probably know all
Speaker 1: this stuff um by Brian Michael Bindis and then an
Speaker 1: artist named Sarah Picelli, an Italian artist, and she was
Speaker 1: the first to illustrate Miles Morales in the Ultimate Spider Man.
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, diversity and inclusivity is so important,
Speaker 1: and um, we're seeing so much of that now, which
Speaker 1: is great, but you can't overstate how important that is
Speaker 1: to a kid and a kid a person of color
Speaker 1: to see that representation on screen and to get their
Speaker 1: own heroes. Yeah, we talk big, Absolutely, We talked about
Speaker 1: that all the time on spenty. The power of seeing yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's something that I hadn't even realized as a woman. Um,
Speaker 1: this is embarrassing, but I love being on a feminist
Speaker 1: show because everyone asked, what's your take on this? Go
Speaker 1: see this movie? Tell me what your take is. And
Speaker 1: everyone was telling you gotta go see Wonder Woman, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I cried and all this stuff, and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna cry. And I got teared up in
Speaker 1: the first time to Wonder Woman. Yeah, just because it
Speaker 1: was all these strong women that wasn't focused on their
Speaker 1: looks and that's all it took. I get teared up
Speaker 1: and stuff like this as a white man because it's
Speaker 1: I know what a big deal it is. And I'm
Speaker 1: an EmPATH, so like I think about a little you know,
Speaker 1: African American boy report Ri because I think the character
Speaker 1: is is a mixed race inter seeing a mixed race
Speaker 1: character is new and unique, and they switch back and
Speaker 1: forth in Spanish and English. Yes, and I just I
Speaker 1: just picture these little kids watching this stuff, and like,
Speaker 1: I get choked up because it's a big deal. People
Speaker 1: that don't think it matters are wrong, absolutely wrong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I love that. Sometimes it can feel really forced
Speaker 1: right now, unfortunately, but this didn't feel that at all.
Speaker 1: It was just so naturally done, beautiful. And Miles is
Speaker 1: such a great character. He's just such a It's interesting
Speaker 1: because I thought, as um compared to like Peter Parker,
Speaker 1: Miles is way cooler, but he's still like they didn't
Speaker 1: make him like a ladies man or like he's cool,
Speaker 1: but he's still sort of an outcast in a way.
Speaker 1: And he's still nervous, which is an important trade, I think. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think one of the writers described it as the
Speaker 1: sweetest swagger you. Yeah, that is totally it. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: little bit of swagger, but just adorable. Yeah. And his
Speaker 1: family is just great. Yes, That's one of the things
Speaker 1: I love about this movie is because comic books notoriously
Speaker 1: no parents around or whatever, but he has a really
Speaker 1: good family unit, and family is a huge part of
Speaker 1: the story and his story specifically, so it was refreshing
Speaker 1: to see something different than we all know Peter Parker's
Speaker 1: origin story. I kind of love that that took a
Speaker 1: back seat and this was a different, totally different story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I love how they played with the origin story thing,
Speaker 1: because you know, they're always complaints like do we need
Speaker 1: to see another Spiderman origin story? So they just did,
Speaker 1: like every character got their own with that little refrain
Speaker 1: of well, let me tell you about it. My name
Speaker 1: is you know, Gwen Staates. Yeah, it's so fun, and
Speaker 1: just said they had such a sense of humor about it,
Speaker 1: and this one the best animated feature the Oscars And
Speaker 1: I'm sure you, like everyone else and me when that
Speaker 1: category came up, and you know, it's Pixar's The Behemoth,
Speaker 1: and everyone's just like, please just give it to Spider Verse.
Speaker 1: Clearly the best movie, and it felt like a It
Speaker 1: sounds so corny, but it felt like a win for
Speaker 1: like all of us. It did because it was against
Speaker 1: Incredibles too, which was also pretty good. Great movie. Um,
Speaker 1: this is the first non Disney Pixar film UH to
Speaker 1: win that award win against a Pixar film since two
Speaker 1: thousand six. Ww So like, that's how much Pixar Disney
Speaker 1: dominates that category. It's crazy. Yeah. Um, and it from
Speaker 1: the opening credits, because again I went into this movie
Speaker 1: completely jaded and thinking, Okay, Uh, it's just the way
Speaker 1: it starts and it zooms in through the Sony logo
Speaker 1: and you're it's like you're entering another dimension. And even
Speaker 1: though it's just the opening credits something, my brain was
Speaker 1: already like, oh, this is gonna be well. The Universal
Speaker 1: Pictures lady to that and it does that that skitsy
Speaker 1: uh thing. And yeah, as soon as I had the
Speaker 1: same reaction because I didn't know much about this movie
Speaker 1: and I wasn't primed to see it, but after the
Speaker 1: buzz came out, I was like, oh, well, I guess
Speaker 1: I do need to see this, and they do. They
Speaker 1: set the tone so early, like this is something that
Speaker 1: you've never seen before. Yeah. And the art, which we've
Speaker 1: been talking about, um, it was built specifically for this movie.
Speaker 1: One of the refrains around uh the animation of this
Speaker 1: movie was if it's not broke, break it, because they
Speaker 1: wanted it to look not like a cartoon and not
Speaker 1: c g I, but in between like a comic book
Speaker 1: has come to life. Man, they nailed it. I would
Speaker 1: dare anyone listening to this watch this movie, freeze, frame
Speaker 1: it any second, and it is a work of art.
Speaker 1: It's funny. I had a note in here that says
Speaker 1: pause at any point. Yes, And it looks it looks
Speaker 1: like something that you would frame for your wall. Yes,
Speaker 1: like literally any just randomly close your eyes and you
Speaker 1: could frame that as art. Absolutely. I did it last time.
Speaker 1: I was watching it last night and I paused a
Speaker 1: couple of times, and every time I thought I would
Speaker 1: hang that up. Yeah, that's great, Like one of the
Speaker 1: best looking films I've ever seen. And they although I
Speaker 1: wasn't prepared when I was in the theater that you know,
Speaker 1: they have a lot of the a lot of the
Speaker 1: dot work. What is it called here? Because I don't
Speaker 1: know any of because I'm not a comic book person,
Speaker 1: I know none of these terms. So a lot of
Speaker 1: people call it bend aid dots. Yes, But what they
Speaker 1: were actually doing was halftones with like cmy K I think.
Speaker 1: And they were doing this to create um their version
Speaker 1: of focus and depth. So a lot of people saw
Speaker 1: that and mistook it for bad three D. That's what
Speaker 1: I thought. Yeah, but I thought I was in the
Speaker 1: wrong theater house, and I was like, did I is
Speaker 1: this because it looks Yeah, it looked like three D
Speaker 1: with your not wearing the glasses. Yeah. So I even
Speaker 1: got up because I didn't know. I didn't know, I
Speaker 1: hadn't read anything, so I thought ship I walked into
Speaker 1: the three D version and I went out and I
Speaker 1: checked and it was not And then I realized because
Speaker 1: the other stuff was really sharp. It's like, okay, this
Speaker 1: is a technique. Yeah, they're doing something dumb shit now
Speaker 1: a lot of people reacted that way. Um, and it's
Speaker 1: also meant to mimic when screen printing or printing for
Speaker 1: comic books. How the overlay wooden match, so it's another
Speaker 1: way of being more like a comic book. And um,
Speaker 1: they it gets worse, The effect gets worse the more
Speaker 1: stressed Miles is. So things come more into focus when
Speaker 1: he's not stressed, and then the background goes more out
Speaker 1: of focus when he is. Interesting. Yeah, that has an
Speaker 1: overall effect on the viewer, Yes, for sure. Um, And
Speaker 1: I don't think you even realize it. It's like a
Speaker 1: subconscious thing. Probably. Yeah. I didn't pick up on it
Speaker 1: until I think someone said it to me, but it's yes,
Speaker 1: it's really apparent though once you pick up on it.
Speaker 1: And another thing they did is Miles is animated at
Speaker 1: twelve frames per second as opposed to the general frames,
Speaker 1: so that that means that his motion lingers longer and
Speaker 1: there's no motion blur in this movie, right, So that's
Speaker 1: also another way they used to make it look more
Speaker 1: like comic art. But also, um, there's the scene where
Speaker 1: h Miles and Peter B. Parker finally get on the
Speaker 1: same page where they're swinging on webs together. Miles gets
Speaker 1: up to frames per second along with Peter B. Parker.
Speaker 1: Oh really yeah? Interesting? Yeah? Is that the scene through
Speaker 1: the forest? God, it's such an exhilarating chase because that's
Speaker 1: when uh when is after them, and boy it's tense. Yeah. Um, yes,
Speaker 1: that's that's one of my favorite parts. This movie is
Speaker 1: a lot of great humor and lines, and I love
Speaker 1: a lot of the lines in that section. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's good. Um. The other term that I learned was
Speaker 1: Kirby crackle, So explain everyone what that is. So Jack
Speaker 1: Kirby was a comic book artist, and Kirby crackle was
Speaker 1: something that he did very specific to him that was
Speaker 1: meant to showcase energy. Um. So sometimes it's a it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a lightning golt thing, but a lot
Speaker 1: of times it's these dots, like these blob dots. So
Speaker 1: if you've seen into the Spider Verse, you know, at
Speaker 1: the end of the movie or even the beginning anything
Speaker 1: that's with that collider, there are all these dots and
Speaker 1: those are called Kirby dots. Yeah. And once you know
Speaker 1: what it is, and uh notice it, it's everywhere and
Speaker 1: it's movie yeah to like great effect almost like bubbles, yeah,
Speaker 1: kind of like a little blobby Yeah. And especially in
Speaker 1: the end, that final sequence is just like an explosion,
Speaker 1: yeah of Kirby crackle. Yeah. And and something else that
Speaker 1: I love that they did is there's seven different types
Speaker 1: of animation styles that they built seven different cameras to
Speaker 1: be able to project them all um in one Yeah.
Speaker 1: So as the other Spider people go home, this Penny
Speaker 1: jumps in, hers goes away, and that color goes away.
Speaker 1: And I'm also crying at that scene. Yes, but until
Speaker 1: it's just Miles and Kingpin and then the only colors
Speaker 1: are red and black. Yeah, So it says all the
Speaker 1: other people go their animation styles go with them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was just so it was just off the charts
Speaker 1: with the creativity and the the intent Like it wasn't.
Speaker 1: It's just clear there was so much thought put into
Speaker 1: every single like drawing of this movie. Yeah, and they
Speaker 1: those systems that they broke, um, one of them. They
Speaker 1: basically had puppets, these three D puppets of characters that
Speaker 1: they could then draw on and that's why if you
Speaker 1: look at the character's faces you can see line work
Speaker 1: that people drew onto that. Yeah, and um, because of that,
Speaker 1: they had to recreate. There are certain systems and c
Speaker 1: g I you can just use for clothing and light
Speaker 1: and shadow. They had to recreate all of that, just
Speaker 1: like prefab Yeah. Interest and they used about three times
Speaker 1: as many animators as you generally would use, so I
Speaker 1: think it was a hundred and seventy seven and just
Speaker 1: to animate one second took a week. Yeah. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's intimidating. It is, it is, but it really shows
Speaker 1: every frame in the movie is stimulating. It's just constantly
Speaker 1: stimulating and really beautiful and at the same time, I
Speaker 1: know some criticism of it has been that it overshadows
Speaker 1: everything else, but I never felt that way at all.
Speaker 1: I don't think so at all. This is like hand
Speaker 1: and glove. Yeah, it fit with the music. And this
Speaker 1: has you know, a very modern, h modern taking you know,
Speaker 1: on the score in the popular music that they used.
Speaker 1: It just it breathed life into I mean, Tom Holland
Speaker 1: has done great. So it's not like Spider Man is
Speaker 1: d o A or anything, but it just breathed such
Speaker 1: life into this franchise. And I can't wait to see
Speaker 1: more of this stuff, I know. Yeah, I mean the
Speaker 1: sequel I think is two. They have it slated for. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean hopefully now that they've invented all this stuff,
Speaker 1: it won't be quite as difficult for them. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good point. Yeah, I just I had no idea
Speaker 1: what I was in for, and this is a movie
Speaker 1: that exists in two levels. Is one the the first
Speaker 1: time viewing, it's one of those that you wish you
Speaker 1: could go back and see it for the first time
Speaker 1: m again because it was just so revolutionary and mind blowing.
Speaker 1: But it's also a movie that you can't wait to
Speaker 1: see over and over. Like I get that you saw
Speaker 1: it five times in the theater. Yeah. If I was
Speaker 1: young and single, I would have seen it five times
Speaker 1: in the theater and I had no child, but I've
Speaker 1: seen it like three times now because I saw it
Speaker 1: again at home. I tried to show it to my daughter,
Speaker 1: but it got a little too intense. I kind of forgot.
Speaker 1: It's a little much for a four year old. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that's on hold for a couple of more years.
Speaker 1: But watch. I mean, I had so much fun watching
Speaker 1: again the other night. You can you can see this
Speaker 1: movie twenty times and still see new stuff. Yeah, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And when I was researching for this, uh, so many
Speaker 1: things I ran into. I've seen this movie several several
Speaker 1: several times now I had noticed I hadn't picked up
Speaker 1: on Yeah. Um, and it is the only movie I've
Speaker 1: ever bought. As I walked out of a movie theater,
Speaker 1: I went online and pre ordered it. Oh really, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's great. I knew I had to have it. I
Speaker 1: knew it. Yeah, yeah, um, the I love it in
Speaker 1: the beginning, Um, when he's there doing the voice over,
Speaker 1: seeing and it's only a couple of minutes, but seeing
Speaker 1: the moments from the other Spider Man movies and seeing
Speaker 1: them animated and the style was so cool. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think that's One of the things that I love the
Speaker 1: most about this is it feels really genuine, like the
Speaker 1: creators loves the source material and they were there with
Speaker 1: us fans who saw Spider Man three and wondered why this,
Speaker 1: what's happening? Um? And so to see that right in
Speaker 1: the beginning of recognition of yeah, there's been some bad moments,
Speaker 1: it's pretty cool. Yeah, to have fun with it, to
Speaker 1: recognize it, acknowledge that it happened, and it was kind
Speaker 1: of funny now looking back, Yeah, it was. It was great. Um.
Speaker 1: And the movie, like again, is off the charts visually
Speaker 1: and with the sound, and uh, it could have survived
Speaker 1: on that merit alone. But the story is so great,
Speaker 1: Like at the heart of this thing, strip all of
Speaker 1: that away. You have really a really, really great story
Speaker 1: with did the classic heroes journey and clear steaks and
Speaker 1: like real emotional steaks, like you're so invested in this kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and all of the Spider people that we eventually meet,
Speaker 1: which I can't wait to talk about, I know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's one thing I too went into this movie. I've
Speaker 1: seen the trailer, but that was about it. And I
Speaker 1: have familiarity with a lot of the Spider Man, Spider people,
Speaker 1: but just passing. So I didn't know that Chris Pine
Speaker 1: the perfect Spider Man. I didn't know he died. I
Speaker 1: didn't know he was going to die. I didn't either,
Speaker 1: So that moment was shocking too. Yeah, and he's so
Speaker 1: brutal and just over and um, he is trying to
Speaker 1: pass on this. Here's how to be a Spider Man.
Speaker 1: Here are the key things right before dies to Miles,
Speaker 1: and that is so powerful and then Myles trying to
Speaker 1: live up to that. The rest of the movie kind
Speaker 1: of perfect idealized. Yea spider Man. Yeah, I mean miles journey,
Speaker 1: his hero's journey is so satisfying, like the payoff in
Speaker 1: the end when he finally comes into his own because
Speaker 1: you know, they dole it out in a little bits.
Speaker 1: You know, he learns a little bit how to swing,
Speaker 1: he learns how to do this. He's he's all the
Speaker 1: funny bits with he you know, he can't unstick his hands,
Speaker 1: and he can't turn invisible on purpose, and he can't
Speaker 1: do it on commands. Such a funny moment. Who's that guy,
Speaker 1: the actor Johnson? Yeah, he's I don't never watched that
Speaker 1: show that he was on. But he's really funny. He's hilarious.
Speaker 1: I wasn't that familiar with him either, but I I
Speaker 1: loved him. And again, I didn't know Chris Pine died,
Speaker 1: so I thought they were the same actor at first,
Speaker 1: and it took a while for me to really, Oh, no,
Speaker 1: that's a different person. It's just I mean, you have
Speaker 1: to think your way through this movie. It's not like, um,
Speaker 1: it's not that complex to where you can't figure it out,
Speaker 1: but like you gotta have your your brain on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a lot going on. Yeah. One of the things
Speaker 1: I noticed later when people were like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: why this movie is so great if you pay attention,
Speaker 1: they're all these clues that Miles exists in a world
Speaker 1: that is not our world. So there's the sequel to
Speaker 1: Shaun of the Dead. You can see a poster for that.
Speaker 1: The unmade sequel or Nick Kroll and John Moulaney's play
Speaker 1: is called high Hello instead of oh Hello. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: got a bit that's during the time square. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of funny little easter eggs that I paused.
Speaker 1: The Seth Rogan movie. Yes, Um, what's it called? Where
Speaker 1: is it? Uh? Seth Rogan hold your horses riding high
Speaker 1: in the saddle is the tag love it? There's Redman
Speaker 1: Group instead of Blue Man Group from Dusk Till Sean.
Speaker 1: I guess that's when you were talking about there's a
Speaker 1: Bridesmaid sequel. Did you catch that? Oh yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: about baby Baby Baby shower. Yeah. The month is like Decemberary. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then Clone College with Abe Lincoln and John Kennedy
Speaker 1: one of the movies. It's fun to pause on that
Speaker 1: part and just sort of the other good pauseworthy part
Speaker 1: is when when the dad is scrolling through his phone
Speaker 1: contact list because I don't know, I'm sure all of
Speaker 1: those people are someone they're comic book people. Yeah, Okay,
Speaker 1: I figured because I saw Jack Kirby or maybe it
Speaker 1: was Ditko or maybe both in there. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: just had I was like, I'm sure the rest of
Speaker 1: those people are comic book artists or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just that attention to detail is it's fun, fantastic um
Speaker 1: in comic book learns. I'm sure that's just like yeah,
Speaker 1: the chart. Yeah. I I saw this movie for the
Speaker 1: first time with my parents. And another criticism I've seen
Speaker 1: is if you don't know anything about Spider man, this
Speaker 1: movie isn't for you, but they loved it. They were
Speaker 1: actually more confused by wreck It Ralph two, which is
Speaker 1: all about internet culture. Okay, so after see that one.
Speaker 1: I mean it's fun, but they didn't get like the
Speaker 1: viral video or me. Yeah, just internet website. But yeah,
Speaker 1: BackRub is what Google is called. In Miles is universe.
Speaker 1: What's it called BackRub? Really? Yeah? Yeah? Um that Peter B.
Speaker 1: Parker I believe is from or six one six, which
Speaker 1: is our universe. I think so. So Peter B. Was
Speaker 1: the chubby second guy, yes that burnt out. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: again that that really lends itself to a great character
Speaker 1: arc and storyline because everyone in this movie has steaks. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not just Miles a story. It is
Speaker 1: his story, but it's also Peter B. Parker's story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I love that they both have so much to
Speaker 1: learn from each other because Miles is a great reminder
Speaker 1: to Peter B. Parker of what Spider Man can and
Speaker 1: should be, of what the beauty of being in the
Speaker 1: power of being Spider Man. And then Peter B. Parker beyond.
Speaker 1: He just has these very straight to the point you
Speaker 1: need Baby Potter in the suit very straight. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: he does have advice and he is in Miles corner.
Speaker 1: He's always standing up for him. Um, and they their
Speaker 1: relationship grows through the film too. Yeah. It's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite concepts in the movie is the It's very
Speaker 1: satisfying as the the mentor students student becomes the master.
Speaker 1: They both learned from each other. I've always been into
Speaker 1: movies like that. I have to and I love um.
Speaker 1: In that final battle, Miles uses stuff he learned from everybody.
Speaker 1: So that part where he kind of does this long
Speaker 1: sequence of jumping through things and crawling on wall and
Speaker 1: his hands are going but doing the whole thing. Um,
Speaker 1: he learned that from the first Peter Parker something he
Speaker 1: picked up there. And then of course the leg sweep.
Speaker 1: Yeah at the end Peter B. Parker right, Yeah, what
Speaker 1: was the line leap of faith that Well, that line
Speaker 1: is great, but the don't look at the mouth white
Speaker 1: what is watch the hand so great? Yeah. I mean
Speaker 1: there's so many great payoffs there are staggering the number
Speaker 1: of like great little setups and payoffs there are character
Speaker 1: wise throughout this movie. Yeah, and there's so much foreshadowing
Speaker 1: of a lot of them, especially when it comes to
Speaker 1: the Prowler having that payoff, and it's so brutal and painful. God,
Speaker 1: that moment when he has him on the roof of
Speaker 1: the house. Yeah, and he takes his mask off. It's
Speaker 1: just like and this is a freaking cartoon and it's
Speaker 1: just so emotionally strong. So great. Yeah, I think gets
Speaker 1: shot right afterwards, and then the dad walks in and
Speaker 1: thinks Spider Man did it. It's just perfect. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I've read a lot of um conversation around how Miles
Speaker 1: is bothered, and you can kind of insert other for
Speaker 1: a lot of things. But you know, when he's asking
Speaker 1: his sound, he really hate Spider Man and then he
Speaker 1: finds out Prowler is one of Spider Man's arch nemeses
Speaker 1: and then he doesn't fit in the Spider Man group
Speaker 1: because he's not ready. Um So, just having that and
Speaker 1: and that first scene where he sees the Spider Student,
Speaker 1: it just looms over him and he's here in his
Speaker 1: like merchandise he purchased. M Stanley. Final voice acting, Oh
Speaker 1: that's right. Did he voice that? Yeah? Okay, I didn't
Speaker 1: know if that was him or if they got someone. No,
Speaker 1: it's him. It's final voice acting uh, not appearance, but
Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I wonder if they're going to fake
Speaker 1: any of that for future animated or like c G
Speaker 1: I create him for no. I think that would be
Speaker 1: a bad idea, So I gotta hope they don't. But
Speaker 1: I could see someone yeah, I mean maybe visually having
Speaker 1: representation wouldn't be bad. I would feel weird there was
Speaker 1: a voice, though, I think it would be totally weird. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But then when he finally becomes Spider Man and he
Speaker 1: the suit, his reflection takes it up. And that scene
Speaker 1: where he jumps off the building, he takes a leap
Speaker 1: of faith. That scene is called Rise Up from Hamilton's
Speaker 1: because it's purposely shot, so he's rising, he's falling. Wow. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the glass breaks because he's still scared and
Speaker 1: he's still sticking. That's right, breaks away so great. Uh.
Speaker 1: And the payoff with the dad at the end too,
Speaker 1: it's uh, I mean, there's so many funny moments or
Speaker 1: Miles blaming it all in puberty. Early on it was
Speaker 1: one of my favorite bits. And then the end when um,
Speaker 1: when he hugs he hugs his dad and he's like okay,
Speaker 1: and then he catches himself and you know, well, I
Speaker 1: look forward to working with you in the future. I
Speaker 1: still don't approve your method, Spider Man. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: trying to like disguise his voice smiles is just so adorable.
Speaker 1: Look forward to working with you, and I love you.
Speaker 1: It's so perfect, it is it's great. Um. I also
Speaker 1: like how they handled the Gwinn Stacy thing because, uh,
Speaker 1: they didn't go into like the full on romance of
Speaker 1: it all, which was nice, like they sort of laid
Speaker 1: some groundwork and that that he was clearly, you know,
Speaker 1: smitten by her. But I think they handled it well.
Speaker 1: It didn't need to go that much into it. I agree.
Speaker 1: I think that would have Miles the story and him
Speaker 1: becoming Spider Man was big enough. I don't think we needed, yeah,
Speaker 1: and Gwinn didn't need, you know. That sort of reduces
Speaker 1: her to this sort of standard trope of the love interest,
Speaker 1: like she had her own powerful storyline, and uh, I
Speaker 1: think the writers just did a great job with her
Speaker 1: story as well. I do too. She was the most
Speaker 1: she felt like the most competent Spider person in the room,
Speaker 1: but in a way where she still had vulnerability. UM.
Speaker 1: So that that was refreshing to see I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of times when I see strong female character,
Speaker 1: they're really one dimensional. Um. But she didn't feel that
Speaker 1: way at all. She felt fully realized. Um, and I
Speaker 1: I could connect with pretty much every character, which is great.
Speaker 1: Spider hand Spider had well you know, I love bad puns,
Speaker 1: so yeah, okay, I thought you, well, well at the
Speaker 1: Spider him in a minute, because god, that's just wonderful. Um.
Speaker 1: They have a bunch of great set pieces and action sequences,
Speaker 1: and I feel like they did them all in their
Speaker 1: own way, like they're all distinct from one another. Um.
Speaker 1: But that that first big one that you get with
Speaker 1: that green Goblin fight is just like and you would
Speaker 1: already like it's already clear this movie is a visual
Speaker 1: like masterpiece. But then that is so like off the
Speaker 1: rails bonkers, that first action set piece that it's just
Speaker 1: like what the funk am I even watching now? I
Speaker 1: remember that scene very clearly because that's you know, he's
Speaker 1: been bitten and he's investigating and you're kind of on
Speaker 1: edge because it's quiet, and then his back is to
Speaker 1: that like I don't think it's windows, but it's just
Speaker 1: open space and you see lookouts. Yeah, the words display
Speaker 1: the way they use text in this movie is so cool,
Speaker 1: so good. And it doesn't start happening in soil after
Speaker 1: he's bitten by the Spider um, so that that was
Speaker 1: a really visually arresting way to do the Spider sense
Speaker 1: that he could sense something was wrong. And I remember
Speaker 1: that moment so clearly because it was another thing of oh, whoa,
Speaker 1: this is not like anything else I've seen. And um,
Speaker 1: I convinced a lot of friends to go who also
Speaker 1: weren't into Spider Man and went very begrudgingly, and by
Speaker 1: that point they were all in, Yeah, this is a
Speaker 1: movie that you definitely proselytize about, like, and I think
Speaker 1: that's why it did so well. Um, because this is
Speaker 1: a movie you leave and you start texting your friends
Speaker 1: go see this like as quickly as possible in the
Speaker 1: theater right, yes, before it goes. Um. But that yeah,
Speaker 1: that action sequence in the way the camera follows Miles
Speaker 1: as he kind of falls and sticks on one thing
Speaker 1: and falls, and then seeing Peter Parker just so confidently
Speaker 1: do that that little move where he got up to
Speaker 1: the ceiling. Yeah, and Green Goblin is almost stop motion
Speaker 1: at times. Yeah, kind of perky, jerky, it's the way
Speaker 1: they blended all these animation styles was just it like
Speaker 1: on paper. I would have thought like, no, you probably
Speaker 1: shouldn't do that. Yeah, yeah, because they have. Once you
Speaker 1: get introduced to Penny Parker, there's anime on the same thing. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the black and white with the Spider Man noir. Um.
Speaker 1: But they do have hand draw and things as well,
Speaker 1: so some freeze frames you'll freeze it. And especially with
Speaker 1: early Peter Parker, those are hand drawn. Oh really, like
Speaker 1: the power or whatever? Yeah, yeah, I like when the
Speaker 1: thwack was it twip or thwack? Yeah, when he was
Speaker 1: teaching them how to do the web swinging yep. And
Speaker 1: bagel of course, when he throws the bagel. Oh that's right,
Speaker 1: that's right. Um. So plot wise, you know, he gets
Speaker 1: the slumb drive the goober and um, it's a very
Speaker 1: simple story, you know, as far as that stuff goes,
Speaker 1: Like the story is really about the hero's journey, but
Speaker 1: as far as the plotty plotty stuff, you know, it's
Speaker 1: like a thumb drive that will save the world. Yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty much, and then trying to get all these alternate
Speaker 1: spider people home. Yeah. Once they introduced the idea of
Speaker 1: the different um the different timelines or our guests, the
Speaker 1: different verses versus universes. Um, it's I didn't see that coming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I thought they did it really well because I
Speaker 1: can see how that could have been really confusing, both
Speaker 1: visually and storyline wise, but it really wasn't and I
Speaker 1: felt they moved through it quickly. Here's this makes sense,
Speaker 1: let's go. Yeah, that's kind of all you need to know. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: and they you know, they go to uh, al come
Speaker 1: x And this is still early on in Miles is
Speaker 1: transformation because he can control his invisibility. And that whole
Speaker 1: scene stealing the computer and that's when you get introduced
Speaker 1: to Doc Doc. It's uh, that whole sequence is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. He's carrying the monitor and good news,
Speaker 1: we don't need to. I love that line so much.
Speaker 1: And uh and that leads to the big forest chase,
Speaker 1: which is one of my other favorite set pieces in
Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, it's really stunning. Um, the whip release
Speaker 1: release and that's on the frame rate. Uh So the
Speaker 1: two characters are out of frame sync for most of that,
Speaker 1: but then at the end they become in sync with
Speaker 1: the frame rate. This means I have to watch it again.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely recommending that you watch it again now that
Speaker 1: you know all of this stuff, because you'll pick up
Speaker 1: on so much more. There's a movie I'm gonna watch
Speaker 1: over and over throughout my life. Um. Also, in that
Speaker 1: forest scene, what makes the payoffs so great is that's
Speaker 1: when we meet Gwen as Spider Woman, and that entring
Speaker 1: is just so it's just like spectacular. Yeah, the punk
Speaker 1: rock music cue she comes in and she's just so
Speaker 1: confident and does it takes care of the problem very quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And this is a movie I think it's best, Um,
Speaker 1: if you don't know much about it almost because there's
Speaker 1: so many surprises. Um. I'm sure if you're a big
Speaker 1: comic book nerd and you kind of knew all of
Speaker 1: this stuff and all these characters, it's satisfying as well.
Speaker 1: But to not know any of this and to have
Speaker 1: it unfold, you're like, oh, wait a minute, there's a
Speaker 1: Spider Woman. Now, this is kind of cool. And then
Speaker 1: when they go to Aunt May's and take the tour
Speaker 1: of the you know, the the Underground Layer, and she
Speaker 1: passes out those name tags you might need these, and
Speaker 1: you're like, what what was she talking about? And then
Speaker 1: everybody comes in and it's just overload. Like both of
Speaker 1: us can't stop smiling right now in the room talking
Speaker 1: about it because it cuts two First, Nicolas Cage, yes
Speaker 1: as Spider and Noir like perched on apparently nothing with
Speaker 1: a wind blow? Where's the wind coming from? Wherever I go,
Speaker 1: the wind follows. And then when you hear it and
Speaker 1: realize the realization that that's Nick Cage, I mean, it's perfect.
Speaker 1: It was great casting. Oh my god, It's like, what
Speaker 1: are they trying to do to an audience, Like, oh,
Speaker 1: you thought you were having fun, Well, how about nineties
Speaker 1: Spider Man with fucking Nick Cage. We're talking about something real?
Speaker 1: Oh boys, Yeah, which is lying about the cube at
Speaker 1: the end, the roof excube taking. I don't understand it,
Speaker 1: but I will taking this with me. And then Penny Parker,
Speaker 1: which is so great. Yeah, I love she just feels
Speaker 1: they feel so genuine. I am almost shocked that they
Speaker 1: pulled it off. But that kind of character could have
Speaker 1: come off very either annoying or just like look at
Speaker 1: this anime character, but they used the anime style. She
Speaker 1: felt really badasses like everyone else. Um, a great member
Speaker 1: to have on the team. Yeah, it was really, Oh wow,
Speaker 1: this is awesome. Yeah, and I was amazed at how
Speaker 1: much you care about each of these, like with so little,
Speaker 1: Like they were so efficient in making you care because
Speaker 1: you know the scene where at the end where her
Speaker 1: robot uh gets smashed or dies or whatever, it's like brutal.
Speaker 1: I know, you know, the originally thought about killing her,
Speaker 1: and then they were like, no, that's gonna be true.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be too tough. I my heart hurt reading that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I would have been so mad. Yeah, yeah, you can't
Speaker 1: do that. And then we get Spider Ham. Spider Ham,
Speaker 1: the great John mulaney. Yes, it was just cherished anyway,
Speaker 1: perfect for this. Oh yeah, I'm pretty sure. I saw
Speaker 1: an interview with him where he said he didn't know
Speaker 1: that's what he was auditioning for, and they were just like,
Speaker 1: be funny, and he was cursing all the time until
Speaker 1: he finally asked, what's the rating of this movie? So
Speaker 1: they couldn't use any of it. Now, this is a
Speaker 1: dumb question. Is Spider Ham? Like was that a comic character?
Speaker 1: Was this invented for this? Oh? Yeah? Really yes, no,
Speaker 1: Spider Ham. I believe he has origins all the way
Speaker 1: back to the sixties, but he's first in the eighties.
Speaker 1: I think it was wind Spider. Yeah, Peter Porker and
Speaker 1: his uncle Frankfurter so had his own run. Oh sure,
Speaker 1: were they jokey? I guess it was sort of a
Speaker 1: fun take on it. Yeah. Yeah. And there's one of
Speaker 1: my favorite things about it that they pay homage too
Speaker 1: in the movie is there was sort of a running
Speaker 1: joke that maybe behind the mask he is Porky pick right,
Speaker 1: And so the end when he says, are we allowed
Speaker 1: to say that? But yeah, that that's actually the biggest
Speaker 1: question I've gotten from friends and family have seen it
Speaker 1: and who know, and he probably would know about comics.
Speaker 1: Is Spider ham thing? Yep, they're all things. Um. The
Speaker 1: three other ones are more recent, I believe. But Spider
Speaker 1: Hands goes back interesting. Uh. One of my favorite parts
Speaker 1: of that scene when they well, you know, my Miles
Speaker 1: finds out we finally get like his purpose is revealed
Speaker 1: that he has to get them back to their own
Speaker 1: you know universe. Um, again, classic heroes a journey. But
Speaker 1: when they're all introducing themselves and like can you do this?
Speaker 1: Can you do this? Can you do this? Millaney goes
Speaker 1: can you float through the air when you smell a
Speaker 1: delicious foe so funny, it's really good. Um Like, no
Speaker 1: one else could have played that. You know. Millaney's voice
Speaker 1: is just so spot on, Yes, very distinctive. That was
Speaker 1: one of the things I was most excited about, even
Speaker 1: before I decided I'm probably not going to see this movie,
Speaker 1: but John Laney is in it, maybe I should. And
Speaker 1: then I don't know if you've seen this short at
Speaker 1: the end um post credits, Yeah, that John mulaney. Well
Speaker 1: there's there's the like post credit scene, and then there's
Speaker 1: like a short with John. Um. Well it's really silly
Speaker 1: and just a bunch of puns and him in a
Speaker 1: battle with crawl Daddy or whatever. Man, I gotta see that.
Speaker 1: But one of my favorite things about it is he
Speaker 1: gets pulled out of his timeline, which is the timeline
Speaker 1: of animation on a computer screen. Um. So it's like
Speaker 1: a play on you know, timeline timeline because then he
Speaker 1: starts to you don't really see him get pulled out
Speaker 1: of his world. It's very short to the point by
Speaker 1: the time he tells his story or he doesn't really
Speaker 1: um so he gets pulled. He's getting pulled into the
Speaker 1: other dimension, he says, I hope I haven't missed the
Speaker 1: first sixty seven minutes, which is when he comes into
Speaker 1: really Yeah, that's funny. I love it. It's so good.
Speaker 1: I gotta check that out. So that's after everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's not on if you're watching on Netflix. I
Speaker 1: don't know that it's on Netflix Netflix. Okay, I might
Speaker 1: need to buy this on Blue ray or something. So
Speaker 1: we have the great fight with at aunt May's even
Speaker 1: aunt May gets a little you know her moment, which
Speaker 1: is kind of cool out great Lily Tomlin National Treasure um,
Speaker 1: and that that's fight is like awesome because it's tough
Speaker 1: to you know, they're in a pretty confined space and
Speaker 1: there how many people are in there? I think so
Speaker 1: there's five maybe like love it. Yeah, that's really tough
Speaker 1: to pull it off and make it not be confusing,
Speaker 1: which they managed to do. I think. Yeah, And that's
Speaker 1: a really great emotional roller coaster too, because that's when
Speaker 1: you found out about the Prowler and Miles is still
Speaker 1: in this very shaken emotional state and uh having Peter B.
Speaker 1: Parker just trying to get him out of there, and
Speaker 1: it ends up of course, the confrontation between his uncle
Speaker 1: and himself. Yeah, you really like Prowlers, such a scary
Speaker 1: character in this but um, the their relationship is so special,
Speaker 1: Like you you root for Aaron, you know, like it's
Speaker 1: sad when he gets killed. Yeah, and then he's a
Speaker 1: total bad guy, like a really bad bad guy. But
Speaker 1: that that's great story writing as well. The fact that
Speaker 1: you feel not only for Miles but for Aaron in
Speaker 1: that scene. That they were able to pull that off,
Speaker 1: it's really spectacular. Yeah. Absolutely. Um, sort of in the
Speaker 1: third act here when everything starts sort of converging towards
Speaker 1: the end, you get some some really fun roommate stuff.
Speaker 1: Miles is what is that as a dorm er? Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely dorm Like it's uh, they're all there and he
Speaker 1: gets he finally gets they get busted and and Spider
Speaker 1: him go because do animals talk in this dimension? Because
Speaker 1: I don't want to freak him out that if everything
Speaker 1: wasn't already so freaky. He's reading Spider Man because he
Speaker 1: looks up. Yeah, and they're all you know, they're all
Speaker 1: like basically connected to one another on the ceiling. It's
Speaker 1: such a fun team. Yes, you know, it's such a
Speaker 1: weird mix. Yeah, and they all contribute something so specific
Speaker 1: art style, character, story wise, and it it just works
Speaker 1: and it's so fun to watch. Can they top this
Speaker 1: in a sequel? I don't know. I just hope for
Speaker 1: like as good. Yeah, you know, there's I mean, there's
Speaker 1: no way. It's a disappointment. Yeah, it would be hard
Speaker 1: because the set the bar so high. It really did,
Speaker 1: and just the fact that it was so unique and
Speaker 1: daring and fresh. It will be hard to have that
Speaker 1: same level because I mean the art is beautiful, and
Speaker 1: I'm sure if I see it in a sequel, I'm
Speaker 1: still going to be Yeah, but like we're saying, part
Speaker 1: of part of it was just the first time, Yeah,
Speaker 1: just getting your mind blown. I remember walking out of
Speaker 1: the theater and just being like Wow, it's like just
Speaker 1: mental stimulus overload in all the right ways. And I
Speaker 1: I too, immediately texted all my friends and said, look,
Speaker 1: I gotta go see this movie again. Will you please go?
Speaker 1: You want to share it with people, yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: just talk about it at length. That's right. Afterwards, Miles
Speaker 1: wants revenge another sort of classic Heroes journey type thing,
Speaker 1: and he thinks he's ready, Um, but you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta you gotta have that final obstacle, which is Peter
Speaker 1: basically saying like you're not ready and tying him up
Speaker 1: with the thing and like you he's so protective of Miles.
Speaker 1: It is such a sweet relationship, but um, you know
Speaker 1: he it's so sad. That's what makes it so satisfying
Speaker 1: when he busts out of there, right, Yeah, because Peter B.
Speaker 1: Parker genuinely cares about Miles and he had been his
Speaker 1: biggest supporter, like he can do not a comet he
Speaker 1: can do. But he finally realizes he's gonna get himself
Speaker 1: killed if I don't stop this. So it's a really
Speaker 1: caring moment for him, and for him to know this
Speaker 1: means I probably will die. Yeah, Um, I won't go
Speaker 1: back to my universe and that probably is the end
Speaker 1: for me. Um makes it also really powerful powerful moment. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and everyone. I love how everyone is, uh, everyone wants
Speaker 1: to do it. You know. There's that one scene where
Speaker 1: they're like, well, no, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: do it, but Miles is gonna learn who can do it? Um,
Speaker 1: And it kind of reminded me of the Hawkeye. Uh
Speaker 1: you've seen the basically the latest end game, right, Oh
Speaker 1: of course. Yeah, the moment with Hawkeye and Um Black
Speaker 1: Widow when they're battling to like sacrifice themselves. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just such a hero trait. Yeah. Yeah, I'm gonna throw
Speaker 1: myself on the grenade. They all raise their hands so excitedly.
Speaker 1: In Miles is Miles spends most of this movie trying
Speaker 1: to not be Spider Man. Yeah, which is another thing
Speaker 1: that makes it so satisfying. Yeah, He's like, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean that the character arcs for all these characters
Speaker 1: are so great, you know, even the they introduce what
Speaker 1: do you say at the sixty seven minute mark, the
Speaker 1: rest of the crew, and they all have satisfying arcs.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's really pretty remarkable storytelling. It is um
Speaker 1: And one of the things, going back to that criticism
Speaker 1: I heard of, if you don't know much about Spider Man,
Speaker 1: how this movie is not gonna make any sense to you.
Speaker 1: I feel like you can relate to these characters even
Speaker 1: if you don't haven't read their facts where they're all
Speaker 1: of the comic books behind them. Yeah, there are certain
Speaker 1: things that we can just connect to. And I don't
Speaker 1: need to know that you were bitten by a radioactive
Speaker 1: pig right. I can just you are a good a
Speaker 1: well written character. I can relate to that, and the
Speaker 1: fact that they were able to do it with so
Speaker 1: many characters in such a time. It's very impressive. It is.
Speaker 1: I mean, these are classic themes, um, Peter B. You know,
Speaker 1: let's talk about the charity dinner scene when he when
Speaker 1: he confronts MJ. It's just brutal, it is. It's so
Speaker 1: I love that scene because it's awkward and weird, but
Speaker 1: you want him to get some closure, but you know
Speaker 1: he can't because this isn't the right m J. And
Speaker 1: just to see it play out in this awkward, weird
Speaker 1: way where you feel sadness for him, but also it's silly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's going to bring her more bread, get you all
Speaker 1: the bread that you need. Um. But that's a great
Speaker 1: way without going back to his universe, because we don't
Speaker 1: get to see many of these characters for too long
Speaker 1: and their home universes after they've gone through this journey.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to show he has overcome some
Speaker 1: of the things that have been holding him back and
Speaker 1: he does want to get back with him Ja, or
Speaker 1: maybe he does want to have children, right Um, so
Speaker 1: I thought that was a good way of giving him
Speaker 1: a satisfying story as well. Yeah, and he does at
Speaker 1: the end that he shows him going back right right, Yep,
Speaker 1: he rings the doorbell. He's too lazy to go ring it.
Speaker 1: Just love that moment kind of boots out. There's so
Speaker 1: many great little moments like that. Yeah. Um. Then we
Speaker 1: have our final battle, which is just epic. Um. Each
Speaker 1: each one of these characters has their own they have
Speaker 1: their own distinct like place and purpose and personality. Uh,
Speaker 1: and you care about them all so much. Like the
Speaker 1: final battle is just so like perfectly timed out. It's
Speaker 1: like a Swiss clock. How they how they play this
Speaker 1: thing out, and um, it's truly devastating when they're getting
Speaker 1: sit back. Yeah, I'll know up. I know you want
Speaker 1: to see, like you want the gang to be together,
Speaker 1: but it's of those movie things like you know you can't.
Speaker 1: It has to end. And I love the fun team
Speaker 1: ups they do, the different matchups. So when Penny Parker
Speaker 1: is kind of getting beat up by Scorpion and Spider
Speaker 1: Ham comes in, you've got a problem with funny cartoons
Speaker 1: and just blam way wammo um. And then Spider Man
Speaker 1: Noir comes in just all these different animation styles together
Speaker 1: that shouldn't work, but somehow do. Yeah, it was ballsy
Speaker 1: to think that they could pull this off. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: the frame rate thing for sure, because people are pretty
Speaker 1: sensitive to frame rates that you might remember around the
Speaker 1: Hobbit like that being a big discussion point. Um. So
Speaker 1: to go to a studio and say, we're gonna try
Speaker 1: this frame rate thing and seven different animation styles, it's
Speaker 1: going to take forever. We're gonna break everything you have.
Speaker 1: Does that sound good? Also, we're gonna go with this
Speaker 1: unknown Spider Man character which in the in the common
Speaker 1: world people know about them, but like general populus not
Speaker 1: so much. So I didn't know you know. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: quite a stunning that it got made in some ways
Speaker 1: and that it worked as well as it did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and was just a smash hit. Very satisfying to see
Speaker 1: a movie like this when oscars and you know, break
Speaker 1: open the box office. Yeah, get the recognition. Um, I
Speaker 1: I am interested to see because you know, we we
Speaker 1: vote with our dollars in some ways. If if this
Speaker 1: will lead to more movies like this, if it's successful, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like what do you mean? Just crazy animated styles? Or yeah,
Speaker 1: not trying so much to be hyper realistic, or but
Speaker 1: more of this is a art or not a cartoon.
Speaker 1: But the name between CGI and cartoon. Yeah, are creating
Speaker 1: because they really created their own Yeah, and just original Yeah,
Speaker 1: more original ideas like that. Yeah, I would love to
Speaker 1: see that. I would too. Um, you know this, this
Speaker 1: has such a great satisfying ending. We talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about the scene with his father, but just so great,
Speaker 1: but that that very end. Um, anyone can wear the mask,
Speaker 1: such a great line. You could wear the mask. If
Speaker 1: you didn't know that before, I hope you do now,
Speaker 1: Like rarely can you at the end of the movie
Speaker 1: say like, here's what it was all about. And we're
Speaker 1: just gonna say it and not have it be like
Speaker 1: corny or whatever. Right, Yeah, it was so great. It's
Speaker 1: like just I get choked up even thinking about it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And um, he's just that character is on the beginning
Speaker 1: of his journey and it feels so fresh and new
Speaker 1: and to hear this enthusiasm for it as I feel
Speaker 1: like I could connect with both the old, burnt out,
Speaker 1: washed up kind of cynicism and then this young, fresh,
Speaker 1: perhaps naive viewpoint. And it it was really beautifully moving. Yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: and that Stanley, that was his biggest message was anyone
Speaker 1: can wear the masks. This could be So to be
Speaker 1: able to do that, get to that core message of
Speaker 1: what he really tried to communicate with a lot of
Speaker 1: his work. To have that be the ending line and
Speaker 1: have it work and not be corny, right, it's fantastic. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and it's hard to not just sit there and
Speaker 1: think like he's talking to the little mixed race kid
Speaker 1: in the audience. Yeah, anyone who feels outcasts, who hasn't
Speaker 1: seen themselves in this superhero, who never thought they could
Speaker 1: be a superhero. This is my message to you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and not you know, obviously the mixed race kid
Speaker 1: is is directly on the nose. But like you said,
Speaker 1: I think this movie represents a lot of people sort
Speaker 1: of the underrepresented in general through the lens of this kid. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, with a Puerto Rican mom and a and
Speaker 1: a black dad. Um. Just so like again, that matters
Speaker 1: so much and to be able to state it that
Speaker 1: plainly and uh, with with such impact is like the
Speaker 1: perfect way to end this film. Yeah. That like that
Speaker 1: is the point. If you didn't know that before, I
Speaker 1: hope you do now. Yeah, it's like that's what we
Speaker 1: were just trying to do here for two hours. Everybody. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's so good. I'm really sensitive to um writers.
Speaker 1: If I if I can get any inkling that you're
Speaker 1: trying to manipulate me emotionally, which you are, But if
Speaker 1: I can sense that you're doing it without earning it,
Speaker 1: I'm out. I'm with you. But if it feels genuine
Speaker 1: and like you've done the work, you've earned it. They
Speaker 1: earned every bit of it. They did such a wonderful
Speaker 1: film it is. I can't wait to see it again already.
Speaker 1: You should because it's a holiday movie. They made it. Yes,
Speaker 1: there's a holiday c D you can buy all and
Speaker 1: we're listened to that. They used the actual actors recorded,
Speaker 1: so uh, let's see. There's songs like spidy it's cold outside,
Speaker 1: swinging around the mistletoe, silent night, You're welcome, joy to
Speaker 1: the world that I just saved. Uh, Yeah, you're welcome.
Speaker 1: That reminds me of another one of the great jokes
Speaker 1: in the movie Smaller Moments, when Miles uh lands on
Speaker 1: the New York streets and he's getting walked over and
Speaker 1: he was like, could you just walk around me. Maybe
Speaker 1: he was Okay, thanks New York. And that's a Stanley cameo.
Speaker 1: Stanley steps over. Yeah I didn't notice that. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: in the movie several times. Actually, if you like any train,
Speaker 1: if you pause Stanley, yeah, look at you. You know
Speaker 1: you got all his Easter eggs on, well not apparently
Speaker 1: not all of them, but a lot of them. I
Speaker 1: like how he gets hit by a drone at the end.
Speaker 1: That feels pretty yeah appropriate. What's this book you have here?
Speaker 1: So I am a huge nerd, and clearly I love
Speaker 1: this movie. So I bought this book, the Art of
Speaker 1: the movie Spider Verse, and you can literally you flipped
Speaker 1: the pretty much any page and it's just a freeze
Speaker 1: frame of like how they did it. That is very cool.
Speaker 1: It's like coffee table size. Yeah, oh my god, it
Speaker 1: is so good man, I'm gonna have to buy that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's killer. Yeah, I definitely want to get some art
Speaker 1: from this movie from my apartment. Yeah, they'd be cool,
Speaker 1: some like nice high quality, yeah, pining or something. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And they did combine so much art like the art
Speaker 1: styles um pop art, street art, and cubism, which is
Speaker 1: really interesting because Cuba Cubism is like looking at a
Speaker 1: bunch of things from different viewpoints and combining them together.
Speaker 1: So it makes sense that when the interdimensional dimensional glitching
Speaker 1: or shifts happen, it's cubist because they're seeing it. All
Speaker 1: that stuff was so cool. Yeah, oh gosh, so good,
Speaker 1: and we can talk about this movie. You're eight hours? Um,
Speaker 1: can you will you come on again and do another movie?
Speaker 1: I would love to be part of the the gang here.
Speaker 1: I've always I've been waiting for you to ask Chuck
Speaker 1: we can have our spider gang. Yes, awesome. We'll think
Speaker 1: ab out what you want to do next, and we'll
Speaker 1: just put you in the rotation. The rotation. It awesome.
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