WEBVTT - Bills by the Numbers Ep. 25: Bills Draft Needs

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<v Speaker 1>We're here with more Bills by the Numbers presented by

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<v Speaker 1>FanDuel make every moment more coming up. With Buffalo's cap

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<v Speaker 1>space locked up, how do the draft needs now line

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<v Speaker 1>up for the Bills? We take an in depth look.

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<v Speaker 1>The executive director of the Senior Bowl and former NFL

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<v Speaker 1>scout Jim Naggie provides a synopsis on the strengths and

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<v Speaker 1>depth of this year's class, and we ask our one

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<v Speaker 1>burning questions getting drafty in here? All right, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>stopping in here at Bills by the Numbers, where we

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<v Speaker 1>let the stats tell you where the Bills are at

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<v Speaker 1>and as Bills GM Brandon Bean put at Steve following

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<v Speaker 1>the match of the offer sheet for Ryan Bates, the

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<v Speaker 1>Bills are pretty much out of cap space, he himself said.

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<v Speaker 1>Their focus is now moving towards the draft. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we turn our focus and we begin with where

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<v Speaker 1>we would assess Buffalo's most pressing positional needs. So, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>if you had to put them in order of importance, one, two,

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<v Speaker 1>and three, what does your list look like. My list

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<v Speaker 1>looks like number one would be a corner cornerback, Number

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<v Speaker 1>two would be a wide receiver, and number three would

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<v Speaker 1>be an interior offensive lineman. Okay, That's where I'm at,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can listen to I'll listen to other arguments,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's where I'm at right now today. Do you

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<v Speaker 1>consider any of those a quote unquote positional emergency? No,

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<v Speaker 1>but there are huge questions around corner. Yeah, one about

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<v Speaker 1>Tredavious White is he healthy? And the other can Dane

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<v Speaker 1>Jackson hold up for an entire season? And is Cam

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<v Speaker 1>Lewis enough behind tarn Johnson, Dame Jackson, Saran Neil And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, is there enough guys over there that can

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<v Speaker 1>give you enough to play? I certainly think they need

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<v Speaker 1>to fortify the position with more numbers. They do have

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<v Speaker 1>undrafted kid who's back this year, Nick McLeod, good sized

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<v Speaker 1>corner who has some ability, But there's some development that

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<v Speaker 1>has to be made there. So yeah, I mean I

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<v Speaker 1>would tend to agree with you. Corner wide receiver. I

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<v Speaker 1>think if you want to look at a position that

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<v Speaker 1>might be a little thin in terms of guys you

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<v Speaker 1>would feel comfortable plugging in for a starter should there

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<v Speaker 1>be an injury. I think it's a linebacker. You have

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<v Speaker 1>Tyrrell Dodson, you have Andre Smith, you have Tyler Matakavitch

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<v Speaker 1>and nothing against those guys, but there's a part of

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<v Speaker 1>me that wonders, when do you address that position, especially

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<v Speaker 1>knowing that Tremaine Edmonds is in a walk year final

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<v Speaker 1>year of his contract fifty year option, and with cap

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<v Speaker 1>constraints still an issue going into next year, I wonder

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<v Speaker 1>if it's time to consider a more formidable succession plan

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not one hundred percent sure you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to pay Tremaine Edmonds probably what he expects

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<v Speaker 1>to receive in terms of a second contract. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the only other one lingering out there. But yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>would like to see an offensive lineman taken as well.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't necessarily need to take it right away, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, somewhere in the first four picks would be nice,

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<v Speaker 1>just to provide a little extra in terms of depth

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<v Speaker 1>there now being did say this past week at the

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<v Speaker 1>ownership meetings that Tradevia's White's recovery from ACL surgery is

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<v Speaker 1>a separate item unto itself and will not influence their

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<v Speaker 1>draft day decisions. But I have to believe if that's

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<v Speaker 1>the case, Trey's got to be looking pretty good with

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<v Speaker 1>his rehab process. If Buffalo's GM can separate what appears

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<v Speaker 1>to be a clear positional need from the player who

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<v Speaker 1>has filled the CB one position for the last four

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<v Speaker 1>years that's coming back from a season ending injury. So

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<v Speaker 1>how much do you think positive signs in White's recovery

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<v Speaker 1>now impact Buffalo's decision making with respect to corner some

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. I still don't think they're done with that position.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way even with Trey, even if Trey White

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<v Speaker 1>had not gotten hurt injured last year, they're still looking

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<v Speaker 1>for a guy because they had been trying to replace

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<v Speaker 1>Levi Wallace for four straight years and couldn't get it

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<v Speaker 1>done even through last year. And now they've lost him

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<v Speaker 1>to free agency and he's making you know, seven million,

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<v Speaker 1>eight million, nine million bucks for the Pittsburgh Steelers. That

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have changed that. Turdavius White presidence did, presence on

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<v Speaker 1>their roster didn't change that. So they're still going to

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<v Speaker 1>look for a guy a starting quality corner, and that

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<v Speaker 1>to me says as much about it as anything, more

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<v Speaker 1>so than whether Trey is gonna be healthier now. I

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<v Speaker 1>do think Turdavius will come back and come back in

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<v Speaker 1>a big way and give them a level of play

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<v Speaker 1>they're going to be very happy with, but that doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>preclude the fact that they've been trying to get better

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<v Speaker 1>at that spot for four years straight. I would say

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<v Speaker 1>Dane jack Xson's play is also a factor in this argument.

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<v Speaker 1>From this standpoint, not to the degree that you say, ah,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need a corner. I think the numbers tell

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<v Speaker 1>us they need to add a corner somewhere in the draft.

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<v Speaker 1>But with the way of Dane Jackson played the last

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<v Speaker 1>five or six games of the regular season and then

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<v Speaker 1>in the playoffs, I think has them feeling like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we probably would like to add a corner here in

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<v Speaker 1>the draft at some point, but if we don't get

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<v Speaker 1>in one in round one, we're not in trouble. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not a catastrophic situation. And I think Dane Jackson's play

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<v Speaker 1>has convinced them that if they have to wait around

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<v Speaker 1>on a corner, it's not the end of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, And I think maybe if you get to

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<v Speaker 1>that corner spot, just like what I said, them receiving

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<v Speaker 1>the linebacker spot, although not so much, they're at the

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<v Speaker 1>point now where they've got to be able to think.

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<v Speaker 1>They're almost the point now where they can say, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what, who is available, best player in the draft

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna take, and that's where they want to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Dane Jackson certainly outplayed expectations when he came in at

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<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving last year, certainly outplayed expectations. And with Emmanuel Sanders

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<v Speaker 1>being out of the mix at wide receiver and Gabe

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<v Speaker 1>Davis playing as well as he did, if Isaiah mackenzie

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<v Speaker 1>playing as well as he did when they got the opportunities,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly you can say, Okay, maybe we're okay without Colby's

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<v Speaker 1>lead Emmanuel Sanders, So they're almost and maybe they're further

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<v Speaker 1>down this road than you and I are. I think

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<v Speaker 1>they're almost to the point where, okay, just take the

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<v Speaker 1>best player. Most fans aren't quite there yet, but the

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<v Speaker 1>team could be. The conversation about receiver would appear to

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<v Speaker 1>be different. Emmanuel Sanders hasn't officially retired, but he's one

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<v Speaker 1>of their top three wideouts from last year's squad will

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<v Speaker 1>not return to the Fold, and Gabriel Davis is expected

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of the top three receivers, and Jamison

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<v Speaker 1>Crowder is the odds on favorite to be the slot

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<v Speaker 1>replacement for Cole Beasley. The depth of the unit would

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<v Speaker 1>appear to be the concern here, right absolutely. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>Cole Beasley, I mean, he's he was a tough dude,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was always available, but he was you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it seemed like he's never one hundred percent of the

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<v Speaker 1>last two years, right, the last couple of years. If

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<v Speaker 1>anything were to happen to Stefan Diggs or anything happened

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<v Speaker 1>to Gabriel Davis, there's a drop there's a drop off.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the fact that Isaiah Hodgens how he's going

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<v Speaker 1>to play as a question mark, Marquez Stevenson is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be pressed into service. McKenzie certainly has played admirably,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would I would say he's in the mix

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<v Speaker 1>to at least compete for the slot receiver spot. And

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<v Speaker 1>Kumaro Kumarro is a given. I mean, he's a role

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<v Speaker 1>player and if he if he's he could finish a

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<v Speaker 1>game if pressed into service, that kind of thing. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think Josh likes him and will throw him the

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<v Speaker 1>football because Kumro's got something about him that I think

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<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks relate to. He thinks like a quarterback kind of

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<v Speaker 1>and guys, and he's an option. So I all these

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<v Speaker 1>guys have their pluses and minuses, and I'll say this,

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<v Speaker 1>Isaiah McKenzie could not have played better when given the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity a year ago. There's just no way he could

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<v Speaker 1>have impressed more in his limited opportunities in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>one than outstanding, Absolutely outstanding at every turn, and their

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<v Speaker 1>reluctance to give him more opportunities says something about things

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know. Uh. He was benched at one point

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<v Speaker 1>last season. So given that and Jamison crowd are coming

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<v Speaker 1>in to compete for that spot, certainly, I think they

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<v Speaker 1>feel good about their slot receiving spot right now. As

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned they have McKenzie and Isaiah Hodgins. Hodgens has

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<v Speaker 1>been in the pipeline for two years now but could

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<v Speaker 1>not get on the active roster. Crowder is a one

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<v Speaker 1>year deal, so even if you feel good about that,

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<v Speaker 1>you still have to be thinking beyond twenty twenty two.

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<v Speaker 1>And you don't know of Crowder's back after a one

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<v Speaker 1>year deal for four million dollars, So I think you

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<v Speaker 1>have to say to yourself, how early do we need

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<v Speaker 1>to address the position, knowing we very well may need

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<v Speaker 1>a starting caliber player among our top three as early

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<v Speaker 1>as twenty twenty three. That's the question you have to

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<v Speaker 1>ask yourself. And then the next question is does that

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<v Speaker 1>player exist on this roster right now or do we

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<v Speaker 1>have to go get one Because you have to go

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<v Speaker 1>get one that's ready to contribute in a major way

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<v Speaker 1>by twenty twenty three, it's probably got to be in

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<v Speaker 1>the first two days of the draft at the latest

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<v Speaker 1>round four, right. But the good part of it is

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<v Speaker 1>in the last handful of drafts, those guys are plentiful.

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<v Speaker 1>It is true. There's a ton of guys, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can pick your skill set from a number of guys,

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<v Speaker 1>and the Bills have done a good job of finding

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<v Speaker 1>them right. So I don't think that would worry them

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<v Speaker 1>their ability to replace. Now, getting the guy acclimated and

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<v Speaker 1>finding the right guy, that's the job. But the guy

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<v Speaker 1>is out you gotta believe the guy is out there

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<v Speaker 1>who could do exactly what we need him to do.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that mentality. I don't think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>sense of urgency that if we don't have a guy

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<v Speaker 1>this year in the first two days of the draft,

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<v Speaker 1>we're done for twenty twenty three, because we'll be back

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<v Speaker 1>in the same thing and in a year like they

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<v Speaker 1>did this year. Where crowd are they signed, but they

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<v Speaker 1>didn't sign an outside guy. Next year they meet in

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<v Speaker 1>a position to say, this year, we're going to sign

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<v Speaker 1>an outside down. So no, I that position is almost

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<v Speaker 1>going the way of for me, almost going the way

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<v Speaker 1>of running back, not with the money or the importance,

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<v Speaker 1>but with the plentifulness of the guys who could actually

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<v Speaker 1>come in and contribute and play. A mention, the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of veteran receivers going up and up and exactly as

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<v Speaker 1>it got reset again, they're almost they're almost pricing themselves

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<v Speaker 1>out of the Tyree Hill deal is insane. Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I get it. A guy wants to take one. Good

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<v Speaker 1>for him taking the money that you get it while

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<v Speaker 1>you can get it. But I'll say this, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>looking sideways at the Packers at all for not paying

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<v Speaker 1>him twenty eight million dollars. They're fine because they'll just

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna go into this draft maneuver around. They'll get

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<v Speaker 1>a guy. Yep. Van Jefferson's a perfect example. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>DK metcalf is another example. You know, there's there's an

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<v Speaker 1>endless supply coming. There's Yeah, the college game is churning

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<v Speaker 1>them out a dozen at a time. So get a

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<v Speaker 1>kid on a rookie deal, cheap labor, save yourself money

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<v Speaker 1>on the cap, and then and then make him rich

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<v Speaker 1>and famous. Go ahead and make him famous. Let somebody

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<v Speaker 1>else make him rich. Let somebody else make him rich,

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<v Speaker 1>and start the whole process over again. If you believe

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<v Speaker 1>in your scouting department, you can probably still be a

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<v Speaker 1>productive offense operating in that way. And I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>the Bills are any different. And while player great, as

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<v Speaker 1>we know with the Bills in the draft, Steve rules

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<v Speaker 1>the day position on the at least from what we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen from Brandon Bean. I mean, last year's drafts a

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<v Speaker 1>perfect example. Back to back pass rushers, back to back

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<v Speaker 1>offensive tackles because that's what the player grades told them

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<v Speaker 1>to do. How quickly do they need help on the

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<v Speaker 1>field at that position? Wide receiver? I really do you

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<v Speaker 1>think the Bills have more trust in Dane Jackson, an

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<v Speaker 1>outside corner and what's behind him on the depth chart,

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<v Speaker 1>or more trust in Jamison Crowder is the slot receiver

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<v Speaker 1>and what's behind him on the depth chart. I would

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<v Speaker 1>say they probably have more trust in the receiving side

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<v Speaker 1>of things because Jamison Crowder has led the Jets and

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<v Speaker 1>receptions in the last three years running. And Isaiah McKenzie

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<v Speaker 1>has proven his worth to the club, So they've got

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who can go in and step right in

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<v Speaker 1>and go. Dane Jackson took him a while again on

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<v Speaker 1>the field, couldn't beat Levi Wallace out, but finally was

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<v Speaker 1>put in because of injury to Tradevious White. The team

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<v Speaker 1>maintained its number one ranking throughout the regular season. He

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<v Speaker 1>got him into the playoffs, played well in the playoffs,

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<v Speaker 1>so and you'd have to go in and pull it

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<v Speaker 1>apart to know if he played really well or just

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<v Speaker 1>got him by. Certainly, it's difficult to play defense against

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<v Speaker 1>the Kansas City Chiefs, but they didn't play too badly

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<v Speaker 1>against the New England Patriots, so there's reason to be

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<v Speaker 1>optimistic on both sides of that issue. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>they did more for the wide receiver side of things

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<v Speaker 1>to get better than they did by resigning McKenzie and

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<v Speaker 1>then signing Crowder. With Gabe Davis finishing the year like

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<v Speaker 1>he did, I think they got to feel pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I would say the White outs, I would

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<v Speaker 1>tend to agree. I believe they trust McKenzie because of

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<v Speaker 1>the track record A little bit more and you look

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<v Speaker 1>at I mean, it's not really a Dane Jackson issue,

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<v Speaker 1>it's what's behind him that you have to trust. Cam

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<v Speaker 1>lewis strictly a slot corner at least as I see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nick McLeod Elijah Griffin. I mean, these are two undrafted kids,

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<v Speaker 1>totally unproven. I could see them putting a higher premium

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<v Speaker 1>on getting a corner earlier in the draft than getting

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<v Speaker 1>a receiver for those reasons. And if the Bills go

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<v Speaker 1>away from cornerback or receiver at the top of the

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<v Speaker 1>draft in round one, I think I already know. But

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<v Speaker 1>what other position would not shock you at twenty five? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>an outside wide out, a big time outside if there's

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<v Speaker 1>one that's fallen. Or an interior offensive lineman. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean if corner and receiver, they go away from there

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<v Speaker 1>because the value doesn't say something. You think interior offensive line,

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<v Speaker 1>and I would tend to agree because most draft experts

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<v Speaker 1>are of the opinion that the value is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be very, very good there at twenty five at interior

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<v Speaker 1>old line. And we'll be talking to Senior Bowl Executive

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<v Speaker 1>director Jim Nagee about that. A former NFL scout for

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen years before taking the job down there mobile and

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<v Speaker 1>see what he thinks as far as strategy for the

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<v Speaker 1>Bills at pick twenty five. In just a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>good discussion there. We move along now to the numbers game,

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<v Speaker 1>where we're going to see if Steve can determine what

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<v Speaker 1>positions the Bills have gravitated too in round one over

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<v Speaker 1>the last fifteen drafts. So, Steve, what position do you

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<v Speaker 1>believe has been the most popular pick of the Bills

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<v Speaker 1>in Round one of the NFL draft from two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and seven until twenty twenty one. Oh twenty seven, that's

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen years. I'm so old. How about when did we

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<v Speaker 1>pick When did we pick EJ? That was? Oh Force,

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<v Speaker 1>that's six? Or oh it's twenty thirteen? Was it? I'll

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<v Speaker 1>say quarterback? Quarterback is incorrect. I will give you one

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<v Speaker 1>more guess most popular pick of the Bills in Round

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<v Speaker 1>one position wise two thousand and seven to twenty twenty one. Cornerback? No,

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<v Speaker 1>the answer is defensive line. Really yeah? Okay, okay, Now

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<v Speaker 1>the second part of that question, how many total picks

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<v Speaker 1>do you believe there were from that position group in

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<v Speaker 1>round one from two thousand and seven? Yeah, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you can name a few right off the bat that

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<v Speaker 1>have been pretty recent, right right, right, Oh my gosh.

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<v Speaker 1>So how many first rounders for I see, there's Ed,

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<v Speaker 1>there's Greg, there's as a second second round, not a

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<v Speaker 1>first round. I'll say eighteen four. The answer is five.

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<v Speaker 1>You're right there, Steve, Yeah, Marcel Darius in that group, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>Greg Russeau, boogie. And this is question three. So how

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<v Speaker 1>many of these guys can you name over the last

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen drafts? Round one? Okay, so go ahead, round run

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<v Speaker 1>d Lineman. That's right, Marcel yep, Russeau, yes, Ed, Oliver correct,

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<v Speaker 1>you got two left, and I'll say, oh, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>that's a tough one. Um, one is just returned to

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<v Speaker 1>the roster. Oh yeah, Shack Lawson, that's one. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got And then maybe one of the biggest swing

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<v Speaker 1>and misses in Bill's draft history. He was a free

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<v Speaker 1>agent Williams. He was a swing of miss. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>swing in miss. But he was a tackle. Um. There

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<v Speaker 1>you go Aaron Maybon two thousand and nine. Yeah, that

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<v Speaker 1>was the biggest and the horror show. That was a

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<v Speaker 1>horror show of incredibly badly crow an incredibly bad all right,

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<v Speaker 1>Question number four, what do you believe is the second

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<v Speaker 1>most popular position for the Bills in round one over

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<v Speaker 1>the last fifteen drafts. Second most popular position round one

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<v Speaker 1>running back. No, it is not offensive line. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not offensive line. And your one more guess, I'll say

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<v Speaker 1>wide out wide receiver, it is corner. Really, how many

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<v Speaker 1>total picks do you believe there were from that position group?

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<v Speaker 1>First round, first round over the last fifteen years. Steph

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<v Speaker 1>Jared's bird the first round of right. He was the

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<v Speaker 1>second round seton round her. He was a safety and

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<v Speaker 1>out of I'm trying. I don't even know if I

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<v Speaker 1>could think of the rest of him. So you knew

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<v Speaker 1>there were five defensive linemen, which was lad only be

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<v Speaker 1>three or four? Right? Three? So true, Davis is one,

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<v Speaker 1>Steph Gilmour's two. Can you name the third man? Wait? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he can see him in his brain, he can see him. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I think he was. No, I can't get him. Can

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<v Speaker 1>you get him? It's my man. Leotis mckilvin, Leotis McKelvin

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<v Speaker 1>two twelve draft not bad, not bad in the numbers game, there, Steve,

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<v Speaker 1>Buffalo Bills. We move on now to our guests this

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<v Speaker 1>week here on Bills by the Numbers. It's executive director

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<v Speaker 1>of the Senior Bowl and former NFL scout Jim Nage,

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<v Speaker 1>who knows the twenty twenty two draft class inside and out.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is Jim. All right, Jim, let's start here. Obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we're suffering from Bill's myopius, so some of our questions

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<v Speaker 1>are going to be directed that way. And I'll start

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<v Speaker 1>with this one because the Bills sitting at twenty five

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<v Speaker 1>are in kind of a tough spot to forecast what

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<v Speaker 1>happens in front of them with so many picks. So

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<v Speaker 1>if you're the Bills sitting there late in Round one,

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<v Speaker 1>in what looks to be somewhat of a muddled draft

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<v Speaker 1>pool without any clarity, like even on the perspective first

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<v Speaker 1>round quarterbacks and where they might go, what does is

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<v Speaker 1>maybe player positional value tell you about what the best

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<v Speaker 1>strategy might be for a team like the Bills are

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five. I think where they're sitting guys is truly

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<v Speaker 1>where you just have to take the best player available.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think you have to reach for need. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there's gonna be a good player there. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that the quarterback things interesting. You know, like last year,

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<v Speaker 1>those five qbs in the top fifteen pushed down some

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<v Speaker 1>really good players, and you know, I don't think we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be in that situation this year. Maybe a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of guys might pushed a couple of guys to you

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenties, but but certainly not like last year.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think, you know, you can stay there and

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<v Speaker 1>address a lot of different needs, but there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>a good player there. I feel like the meat of

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<v Speaker 1>this draft is probably anywhere between, you know, fifteen and sixty.

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<v Speaker 1>You can really get pretty close to the same player.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I think you're going to see a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of teams trying trying to trade back in stock final

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<v Speaker 1>second round picks. It's gonna be a really good second

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<v Speaker 1>round this year. You're probably got you have your finger

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<v Speaker 1>on the pulse of this draft as an entire group

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<v Speaker 1>because of your work with the Senior Bowl, and you

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<v Speaker 1>get to see all these guys at all the different positions.

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<v Speaker 1>You talk to all these personnel guys, what position group

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<v Speaker 1>is deepest in this draft? Well, I think you look

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<v Speaker 1>at the past rush group. I was just up at

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama yesterday for Pro Today. You know, they didn't have

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<v Speaker 1>any pass rushers there, but we're just talking to guys

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<v Speaker 1>you know from around the league. All thirty two teams

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<v Speaker 1>are there, so I got a chance to catch up

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of buddies, and really it's it's that

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<v Speaker 1>pass rush group. So you know you're starting up high

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<v Speaker 1>with Aighton Hutchinson. I think I think Trayvon Walker from

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia is legitimately a top five pick. Just talking to

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<v Speaker 1>guys around the league, you might be the most talented

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<v Speaker 1>guy in the draft when you just look at the

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<v Speaker 1>traits and it's really become a trades driven league, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think a lot of teams are, you know, really

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<v Speaker 1>hold true to that philosophy as guys you can hit

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<v Speaker 1>on high ceiling guys. So you know those two guys

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<v Speaker 1>and then all the way through, I mean they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>staring at a good one. The Bills are gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>staring at a good one there. You know, in the twenties,

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<v Speaker 1>whether that's you know, an Arnold mcktny from Penn State,

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<v Speaker 1>a boy Mope for Minnesota, a couple of guys we

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<v Speaker 1>had down here at the Senior Bowl, I would say

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<v Speaker 1>from top to bottom, and that's the deepest group, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's certainly a really good tight end class as well.

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<v Speaker 1>So you mentioned a couple of guys who might represent

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<v Speaker 1>good value at around twenty five at the pass rusher position, Jim,

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<v Speaker 1>is there are there other positions that might offer at

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<v Speaker 1>least what you deem to be value good value for

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<v Speaker 1>them at twenty five. I mean you're saying best on

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<v Speaker 1>the board is the way to go for Buffalo, And

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<v Speaker 1>obviously there's no way for you to know who's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be there specifically, But do you see positional value

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<v Speaker 1>elsewhere besides just pass rusher at twenty five? Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you'd have to look at the interior offensive line. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>in any draft, that's where they start to go somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>in the twenties. You know your top center, it's your

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<v Speaker 1>top guards, and you I mean, you can get the

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<v Speaker 1>best player at each position, probably right there where you're sitting.

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<v Speaker 1>So this year, I mean, to me, a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>I love is Zion Johnson from Boston College had had

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<v Speaker 1>a great Senior Bowl week down here, really operating at

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<v Speaker 1>center for the most extensive time in his career. Has

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<v Speaker 1>primarily been a guard, played left tackle as junior year

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<v Speaker 1>there in Boston College, but really took to it at

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<v Speaker 1>Centator and Senior Bowl. And to me, he's such an

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<v Speaker 1>intelligent guy that you're almost wasting his brain if you

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<v Speaker 1>play him at guard. He's so good taking command, he's

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<v Speaker 1>so intelligent, such leadership capabilities. So a guy like Zion Johnson,

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<v Speaker 1>you know Tyler later Baum and I was another center.

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<v Speaker 1>There's some really good guards in this class two, and

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<v Speaker 1>Zion could be a guard. You know, if you if

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<v Speaker 1>you've got if you, if you feel good about your

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<v Speaker 1>center situation, you want to plug Zion in a guard

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<v Speaker 1>and leave him there for a few years. That worked too,

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<v Speaker 1>So I would say interior offensive line is that's really

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<v Speaker 1>the sweet spot in the twenties. You can get a

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<v Speaker 1>really good player there. And also that's where I think

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<v Speaker 1>he'll start seeing a lot of the wide receivers start

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<v Speaker 1>going outside the top ten and there's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>that run probably through the end of the first round

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<v Speaker 1>at wide out well what about on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of the football. The Bills lost the starter Levi Wallace,

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<v Speaker 1>who came into Alabama as an undrafted rookie, an undrafted

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<v Speaker 1>player in college, worked his way onto the field, then

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<v Speaker 1>was undrafted the NFL and was a four year starter

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<v Speaker 1>for the Buffalo Bills. They lost him to free agency.

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<v Speaker 1>They tried to replace him for four years, couldn't get

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<v Speaker 1>it done. Now they have to how what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>cornerback depth is there and what kind of how far

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<v Speaker 1>down the list and quarterback prospects will you think they'll

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<v Speaker 1>get if they do decide to take one at twenty five. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and Steve, you forgot to mention that Levi went to Alabama,

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<v Speaker 1>not just as they walk on. He went there in

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<v Speaker 1>his first year on campus. He played at interramal flag football.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the most incredible stories. Levi played here

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<v Speaker 1>in the Senior Bowl. Actually, when I spent the Seahawks,

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<v Speaker 1>I scouted Levi at Alabama. So really cool to see

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<v Speaker 1>what Levi has been able to do with his career

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<v Speaker 1>and what Buffalo did developing him. But yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>they're gonna be staring at a good corner there too.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I think that you got. You got guys

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<v Speaker 1>like Daryl Stingley up at the top from LSU, Saw

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<v Speaker 1>Scardner of course from Cincinnati. I think those guys will

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<v Speaker 1>probably be gone by in But you're looking at a

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<v Speaker 1>group like Roger McCreary from Auburn, really good football player,

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<v Speaker 1>has got has gotten his hands on more balls over

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<v Speaker 1>the last two years than any player in college football.

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<v Speaker 1>UM So I think he's a really good one. You

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<v Speaker 1>know what, you're getting really solid, productive football player, instinctive guy.

0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:18.960
<v Speaker 1>And then there's some really high trads guys you look

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<v Speaker 1>at this years, you look at the issars class. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot of guys ran incredibly fast at the combine. They're

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<v Speaker 1>they're running fast again at their pro days. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that that's certainly a position. I think that the run

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<v Speaker 1>on corners is probably going to start in the second round.

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<v Speaker 1>You can probably get a guy late in the second

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<v Speaker 1>the same guy you could probably get there late in

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<v Speaker 1>the first. Um it's kind of a flavor of the week.

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<v Speaker 1>Then when you talk to teams that that whole late

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<v Speaker 1>one to late to spot at the cornerback position, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really depending on what team you talk to. There's there's

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<v Speaker 1>really a jumbled order there and I want to I

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<v Speaker 1>want to kind of get you to elaborate on that

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit, Jim, because I know earlier you said,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, pretty much from like fifteen to sixty there

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<v Speaker 1>isn't a great disparity in terms of level of talent

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<v Speaker 1>of player because the depth is so good within that range.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you just maybe explain to our listeners what that

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<v Speaker 1>means when you've got gms making decisions in that range

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<v Speaker 1>and how it might impact their decision making when they

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, hey, I can slide back, but you also

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<v Speaker 1>got to find a dance partner willing to come up.

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<v Speaker 1>So maybe just walk us through how that unfolds in

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<v Speaker 1>the draft room when there is such a wide range

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<v Speaker 1>of players that many teams deem to be of comparable

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<v Speaker 1>talent level. Yeah, it's it's going to be a busy

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<v Speaker 1>month for Brandon b And those things don't happen when

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<v Speaker 1>you're on the clock, obviously, So the month of April

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<v Speaker 1>is when these gms and the upper level guys you

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<v Speaker 1>know in the personnel department are really working the phones

0:27:48.040 --> 0:27:50.199
<v Speaker 1>and talking to their buddies around the league and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>showing the interest to move down. I think a lot

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:53.840
<v Speaker 1>of teams are going to be in that boat. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>but you're right, you need you need a trade partner,

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<v Speaker 1>so trying to identify that. I think you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see some players in some trades. This year. We're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>more player for a player for trade movement. Then it

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.119
<v Speaker 1>seems like more than we ever have UM and teams

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:08.800
<v Speaker 1>are being very active. So gonna be a busy month

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<v Speaker 1>that way. But yeah, if you've identified a guy on

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<v Speaker 1>your board, you kind of look horizontally on your board,

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 1>and if you've got you know, if you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>corner in the middle of the first and then but

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:22.120
<v Speaker 1>you've also got a linebacker right there, I mean you've

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<v Speaker 1>got more of a need. Well let's let's move back.

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:25.639
<v Speaker 1>So I think there's gonna be a lot of teams

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<v Speaker 1>looking to do that. You're just trying to get value

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<v Speaker 1>if you could add if you could drop back to

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<v Speaker 1>two and add a third, um, you know, or a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of fours where there's still gonna be good players

0:28:35.400 --> 0:28:37.280
<v Speaker 1>into the fourth round of this year's draft. I really

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<v Speaker 1>feel like two through four because of because of the

0:28:40.360 --> 0:28:43.680
<v Speaker 1>COVID stuff, there's some bloated numbers in those two rounds

0:28:43.680 --> 0:28:45.560
<v Speaker 1>this year where there's some good football players. So I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's what you're gonna see a lot of teams

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do. And I'm I'm sure Brandon. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Brandon's gonna be working the phones. Jim. Thanks, We appreciate

0:28:52.760 --> 0:28:54.720
<v Speaker 1>you carving out some time. I know this is like

0:28:55.360 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>this is tax season for you, like if you're an accountant.

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you're like you're crushing it. I really apreciate

0:29:00.360 --> 0:29:03.320
<v Speaker 1>you spending some time with us. No, thank you God,

0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.479
<v Speaker 1>it's not nearly as bad as December of January. Ranto. Well, right,

0:29:08.520 --> 0:29:11.120
<v Speaker 1>this is a really fun time. I appreciate you guys

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:14.040
<v Speaker 1>having me on. And uh, I'll I'll be I'll be

0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.880
<v Speaker 1>excited to see what Buffalo does. All right, that's Jim Naggy,

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<v Speaker 1>executive director of the Senior Bowl, joining us here on

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<v Speaker 1>Bills by the numbers. All right, Steve, we now ponder

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<v Speaker 1>our one burning question in round one. If the Bills

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<v Speaker 1>were to move out of their spot at twenty five,

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<v Speaker 1>do we deem it more likely that Brandon Bean trades

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:39.040
<v Speaker 1>up or trades back. Well, well, that's a good question.

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:44.240
<v Speaker 1>He's done both, and I think in as the roster

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<v Speaker 1>currently sits, as we're you know, ways away from the

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:50.040
<v Speaker 1>draft might be more likely than he would move up

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<v Speaker 1>on a day like if the draft was today. That

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<v Speaker 1>may change by the time the draft actually gets here,

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>but I think there's got to be because right now,

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<v Speaker 1>I think they've got a little bit of a depth

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<v Speaker 1>issue at corner. I think they'd like to get deeper

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:07.720
<v Speaker 1>and more quality guys at wide receiver. And I also think,

0:30:08.000 --> 0:30:10.200
<v Speaker 1>as I've been saying throughout the Pod, I think the

0:30:10.280 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>offensive line, the interior offensive line could use some quality depth.

0:30:13.440 --> 0:30:16.560
<v Speaker 1>Although with Bates and Butker back, and you know, we'll see.

0:30:19.280 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a chance at twenty five things get

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<v Speaker 1>a little dicey because there may be a really difference

0:30:26.280 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>making player falling half a dozen spots because of guys

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 1>taking teams, taking flyers, teams trading up, teams trading out,

0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 1>that kind of thing. So I think right now I

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<v Speaker 1>would say it's probably more likely that the team trades

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>up rather than trades back. Brandon Bean's history is filled

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>with far more trades up the board than down. I

0:30:47.400 --> 0:30:49.720
<v Speaker 1>think last year was the first year he ever traded

0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 1>back in his four drafts that he's conducted with the Bills,

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<v Speaker 1>this being draft number five, I think your points are

0:30:56.560 --> 0:31:01.720
<v Speaker 1>well taken. If somebody is sliding that they covet that

0:31:01.800 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 1>could prompt a trade up in round one, even though

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 1>you know if you trade up in round one, no

0:31:07.320 --> 0:31:10.760
<v Speaker 1>matter where you do it, you pay a premium. Trading

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>up in later rounds is far less costly. I think

0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:18.080
<v Speaker 1>we also have an issue here where there are going

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<v Speaker 1>to be far fewer teams trying to get into the

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:24.160
<v Speaker 1>bottom of round one that would give them a dance

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>partner to get out of round one. I know we're

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 1>still a month away. My thought is the bills are

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<v Speaker 1>more likely to move up or down the board in

0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 1>rounds outside of round one. I think round two, round three,

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<v Speaker 1>round four, that's where it's more likely that the bills

0:31:43.920 --> 0:31:47.040
<v Speaker 1>move around a little bit number one, because the cost

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<v Speaker 1>is lesser in terms of what you would have to

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.760
<v Speaker 1>give up to do that, assuming you move up the board.

0:31:53.040 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>And I think more teams are willing to play ball

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of moving up to us spot where you

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<v Speaker 1>can move out and down the board in rounds two, three,

0:32:03.960 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>or four, I still think it's going to be at

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<v Speaker 1>a premium. And here's the other thing that kind of

0:32:10.600 --> 0:32:12.719
<v Speaker 1>serves as a little bit of a fly in the ointment.

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 1>In terms of the Bills trying to move back and

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<v Speaker 1>out of that spot at twenty five, there is a

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<v Speaker 1>general consensus, as we heard from Jim Naggy, that there

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<v Speaker 1>is a cluster of players from about twenty to fifty,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe even later, that are largely deemed to be pretty

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.760
<v Speaker 1>similar in talent ability what they can give a team

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<v Speaker 1>in year one, and so I think a lot of

0:32:37.560 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>teams that are like, I don't really need to go

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.440
<v Speaker 1>up and chase that guy when I got a pretty

0:32:41.480 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 1>comparable two or three players here in the next thirty

0:32:44.960 --> 0:32:48.200
<v Speaker 1>picks where I'm not doing all that much worse. Why

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<v Speaker 1>am I going to give up assets to go up

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and get that guy when I have somebody of pretty

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 1>similar quality still on the board and should still be

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:59.880
<v Speaker 1>there when I pick. Here's another thing to throw in that,

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's probably more likely that they move up

0:33:01.960 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 1>rather than back between the twenty and fifty. The twenty

0:33:05.720 --> 0:33:09.840
<v Speaker 1>to fifty range of this draft. Those guys may be similar,

0:33:10.280 --> 0:33:13.560
<v Speaker 1>the team's drafting them are not. The Bills have the

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<v Speaker 1>grades they have, you mean, no, no no, no. The teams

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>that they're going to like the Bills are different than

0:33:18.120 --> 0:33:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the Jaguars, the Bills are different than the Chargers. The

0:33:21.320 --> 0:33:24.200
<v Speaker 1>Bills because here's the thing. The Bills, you know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>at the top of the heap the heat right now,

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<v Speaker 1>is a seventh rounder, sixth rounder really gonna strive to

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<v Speaker 1>contribute this year to this team. Throw those picks away

0:33:36.240 --> 0:33:39.720
<v Speaker 1>and get somebody who may chance, who's got a better

0:33:39.800 --> 0:33:43.760
<v Speaker 1>chance this is This is a club that if you

0:33:43.800 --> 0:33:45.160
<v Speaker 1>want to get over the top, you need a guy

0:33:45.240 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 1>that's gonna get on the field for this team. And

0:33:46.920 --> 0:33:49.000
<v Speaker 1>there's guys in the fifth, six, and seventh rounds that

0:33:49.080 --> 0:33:51.800
<v Speaker 1>have no chance of getting on the field for this

0:33:51.840 --> 0:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>team this year. So I think it's more likely the

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.239
<v Speaker 1>Bills will try and maybe pool some picks in this

0:33:57.360 --> 0:33:59.720
<v Speaker 1>draft to jump up a couple of spaces to get it.

0:33:59.800 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 1>You know what, one guy, maybe two They can say,

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you know what, that guy could contribute in some way,

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:08.040
<v Speaker 1>shape or form this year for this team when they're

0:34:08.040 --> 0:34:10.200
<v Speaker 1>trying to go for the championship. And while I believe

0:34:10.760 --> 0:34:13.800
<v Speaker 1>I agree with everything you just said, I still believe

0:34:14.360 --> 0:34:17.680
<v Speaker 1>if that happens, I think it's more likely to happen

0:34:18.160 --> 0:34:21.920
<v Speaker 1>in round four, round three, even round two than in

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:25.239
<v Speaker 1>round one. Where are those six or sevens that you

0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:27.719
<v Speaker 1>give up can get you to a spot where you

0:34:27.760 --> 0:34:30.120
<v Speaker 1>need to be. More so in round two where the

0:34:30.200 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 1>value isn't is great, more so in round three where

0:34:32.719 --> 0:34:36.120
<v Speaker 1>the value is. The deeper you get into the prospect list,

0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:37.759
<v Speaker 1>the more you can do with a six or a

0:34:37.800 --> 0:34:40.400
<v Speaker 1>seven yes, and the more variation there are in grades

0:34:40.480 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 1>between teams. They see trades that stand out to them

0:34:44.800 --> 0:34:47.319
<v Speaker 1>and give them a chance to develop this guy where

0:34:47.320 --> 0:34:50.120
<v Speaker 1>another team doesn't value that the same, So they you know,

0:34:50.480 --> 0:34:53.680
<v Speaker 1>the disparity between the same player is greater the deeper

0:34:53.719 --> 0:34:55.960
<v Speaker 1>you get into the pool. So if the Bill's trade

0:34:56.040 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>up to get a guy at forty two rather than

0:35:00.560 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 1>picking at eighty nine or something like it of that nature,

0:35:04.239 --> 0:35:06.920
<v Speaker 1>they got a guy that really will do that. They

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:10.399
<v Speaker 1>got a guy that is they believe in more than

0:35:10.440 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 1>the team that there's trading out of that spot. One

0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.520
<v Speaker 1>thing we can definitively say there is nothing that's off

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:20.200
<v Speaker 1>the table when Brandon Bean is running a Bills draft.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll do it. For this episode of Bills by the Numbers,

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