Speaker 1: This is the most traumatic podcast ever and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison coming to you from the home office in Austin, Texas.
Speaker 1: I have a great show today. I can brag because
Speaker 1: it's the guests that always make the show, and today
Speaker 1: Val and Max Chimmerkowski. You know him, you love him
Speaker 1: from Dancing with the Stars, obviously married to Jenna and
Speaker 1: Peta also Dancing with the Stars, fame and I have
Speaker 1: so much to discuss with these guys. Their family life,
Speaker 1: Max and pet expecting baby number two and Val and
Speaker 1: Jenna just had a baby, their ties to Ukraine, their
Speaker 1: feelings on the war and what this has meant to them.
Speaker 1: There's also an exciting new project that I want to
Speaker 1: talk to him about, something called Savor Up and Napa Valley,
Speaker 1: a little after hours dance show. Can't wait to hear
Speaker 1: about it with Max and Val. You just know it's
Speaker 1: going to be good and entertaining, so let's get right
Speaker 1: to it. Joining me from Napa Valley, California. There's a
Speaker 1: reason for that, so we'll get into that in just
Speaker 1: a little bit. Max and Valchimmerkowski, you guys couldn't see it,
Speaker 1: but they just gave each other a little fist bump
Speaker 1: because there's some great stuff going down in Napa Valley.
Speaker 2: Yes, thanks for having us, Chris, and yeah, we have
Speaker 2: some great things doing.
Speaker 1: It's so good to see you guys. First of all,
Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've seen you. Obviously, we
Speaker 1: got to know each other during your days on Dancing
Speaker 1: with the Stars, both of you. We may have played
Speaker 1: a little golf from time to time together, Max, But
Speaker 1: it's good to see you guys together and doing so well.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Thank you so much. Yeah, we're
Speaker 2: very excited for our latest product, project Rather and yeah,
Speaker 2: it's a lot of fun up here.
Speaker 1: How fun is this to do together? I won't we
Speaker 1: won't talk about what Savor is yet, but just you
Speaker 1: guys have worked together, I mean, is it your entire lives?
Speaker 2: This is a twenty fifty year.
Speaker 3: Since the first time we actually made money together and
Speaker 3: had perform as performers on stage where I called him
Speaker 3: out because I had a three couple show in Brooklyn
Speaker 3: and we were performing in restaurants up and down right
Speaker 3: in Beach and one of my couples pulled out and
Speaker 3: I had a twelve year old brother who.
Speaker 2: Was one of the best dances.
Speaker 3: In the US, and I was like, well, you know
Speaker 3: what Chach is, Chacha, you want to come do this?
Speaker 2: He's like, sure, what are you paying?
Speaker 3: He didn't ask, he said sure, he danced and then
Speaker 3: I paid him and it's like, oh damn, Like this
Speaker 3: is this is a great exchange. So you know, the guys,
Speaker 3: the commerce and he was born and the producer me
Speaker 3: was kind of like, yeah, but it's been twenty five
Speaker 3: years since and we're still here. And not only that,
Speaker 3: but this is the best project yet. And another, you know,
Speaker 3: something that moves the needle and something that people say.
Speaker 2: Hey, this is very unique.
Speaker 3: It's very different, and in our industry, you know, to
Speaker 3: come out with something that is unique and.
Speaker 2: It's a huge fee, it's a huge feet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, well we'll get right into it since
Speaker 1: we're already teasing it up. It's called Savor and as
Speaker 1: in like the the tasting notes of savor this wine
Speaker 1: or savor this food is the term, and so Savor
Speaker 1: is going to be kind of after Ours Cabaret in
Speaker 1: Napa Valley. Explain what we're doing.
Speaker 2: So Saber app to Ours is a wine tasting show,
Speaker 2: but we do our tastings a little different at saber.
Speaker 2: Every performance you see at our show in the evening
Speaker 2: is inspired by the very wine that you will be
Speaker 2: drinking throughout the evening. You get four distinctly different servings
Speaker 2: that are complemented by distinctly different performances throughout that tasting experience.
Speaker 1: So you guys are gonna pair the dance with the wine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the relationship that our creative director and the
Speaker 2: creator of the show, Mark swan Hart built, And and
Speaker 2: and kind of that was the inception of the idea
Speaker 2: for this is he was having a glass of wine,
Speaker 2: which is where kind of he has most of his muses,
Speaker 2: and he kind of, you know, he writes most of
Speaker 2: his shows over a glass of wine, and in this
Speaker 2: particular moment, he was like, why don't I just write
Speaker 2: the show around wine? Yeah? And yeah, No. It was
Speaker 2: an amazing process to even witness.
Speaker 3: It was forty years ago that he called us and said,
Speaker 3: and you know, the project back then was called Tasting Notes.
Speaker 3: It was very on point. It was very simple and
Speaker 3: clear and unique. And again it was we got hoped
Speaker 3: and we we couldn't wait to see it. It's pretty
Speaker 3: much exactly as it wasn't back then in his head
Speaker 3: and to see it come to fruition. Not only that,
Speaker 3: but you know the response that we got trying to
Speaker 3: we needed the wine, right and this this is the pouring.
Speaker 3: You know, we're talking about three hundred people's seats and
Speaker 3: this is four glasses per the flights, four poors by
Speaker 3: the way, just a side note, you don't have to drink.
Speaker 2: It's an add on, right, obviously it's at first.
Speaker 3: It's a show, but also this experience, right, Yeah, the
Speaker 3: seating is not a precedium seating, it's not a beer seating.
Speaker 3: It's more about four tops for tabletopund tables.
Speaker 2: Our stage were allowed ourselves.
Speaker 3: Creativity of just like let's just build stage out into
Speaker 3: the audience and you know, dancing between the tables and
Speaker 3: have this experience for a moment where it's happening around you.
Speaker 2: So you know, there was a lot of very interesting
Speaker 2: components of the show that we never got to play
Speaker 2: with before.
Speaker 3: And again, the response from the local winemakers was amazing.
Speaker 3: We got two different It's been incredible to see that
Speaker 3: we're welcomed here. Kind of nervous for the response, but
Speaker 3: so far soft opening, responsive exactly.
Speaker 1: How well and wine is so experiential it's you taste it,
Speaker 1: and it's always been are depending on who you're with,
Speaker 1: what you're doing, and it does take you to places.
Speaker 1: And it's interesting because I'm a big wine guy and
Speaker 1: you work with a chef, and the chef wants to
Speaker 1: taste the wine and that will take his palate to
Speaker 1: what he wants to serve you. I'm interested. A. Are
Speaker 1: you guys wine guys? And B do you taste the
Speaker 1: wine and then choreographed to what you have felt from
Speaker 1: the wine? Or do you just kind of take the
Speaker 1: general Hey, it's Spanish, so we're going to do a.
Speaker 2: No. First of all, I mean, again, I enjoy wine.
Speaker 2: I'm not as as well versed as you sound like
Speaker 2: you are. I mean you've already used like five words
Speaker 2: and I just learned last week. But you know, I
Speaker 2: think that the relate the connection between my part because
Speaker 2: you'll talk, you know, on his own behalf. For me,
Speaker 2: the relationship stems from It's what you said. It's wine
Speaker 2: brings people together and it allows people to you know,
Speaker 2: it's not just about getting intoxicated. It's about having an experience,
Speaker 2: an experience where you raise a glass. So for us
Speaker 2: and our family, we always raise the glass, not to
Speaker 2: get drunk, but to commemorate each other. This is how
Speaker 2: we you know, we have a moment to connect and
Speaker 2: reflect and kind of you know, congregate.
Speaker 1: Over over, celebrate the moment.
Speaker 2: Celebrate the moment, you know. And so I'm like, wow,
Speaker 2: we built a kind of a Mama Mia inspired essence
Speaker 2: about the fact that we are coming together, that theater
Speaker 2: feels like one giant party, and so I'm more from
Speaker 2: that element, really excited about the show. I love that element,
Speaker 2: the fact that I get to be in the audience
Speaker 2: on stage around you know. But as far as our
Speaker 2: passion for wine, Max will take over.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I think our passion is for like I
Speaker 3: keep going back to just human interaction and people's service.
Speaker 3: We started with service industry, you know, twelve eighteen. We're
Speaker 3: in the restaurant just presenting this while people are eating,
Speaker 3: they still having dinner.
Speaker 2: There's also a sophistication about it that I think pairs
Speaker 2: well with our essence, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: You know, hair aside, Hey, I like you use the
Speaker 1: word pairing weller parents.
Speaker 2: And as far as the creative, you know, I think
Speaker 2: it isn't as simple as we taste the wine and
Speaker 2: then we choreographed what happened, was Mark Swanheart, the director, Yes,
Speaker 2: he tasted the wine and he envisioned the story out
Speaker 2: of it, right, because again, wine tells stories and people
Speaker 2: tell their story overwined. And so there's a few pieces that,
Speaker 2: first of all, are such a riot. There's a few
Speaker 2: pieces that are incredibly heartbreaking and heartwarming. Right, there's going
Speaker 2: to be a lot of laughter, a lot of impression,
Speaker 2: but also a few tiers just because again it's something
Speaker 2: that's timeless and it's something that you share with loved ones,
Speaker 2: and you know loved ones go and you know you
Speaker 2: stay in that bottle of wine will remind you of
Speaker 2: a lot of the shared stories. So I think that
Speaker 2: was more of the pattern. It was what can we
Speaker 2: invite the audience to experience to this selection of wine,
Speaker 2: and what kind of stories can we share that our
Speaker 2: universally shared with everyone else.
Speaker 1: Max has never met a shirt that he couldn't take off.
Speaker 1: Will he have a shirt at any point during these shows?
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great way to position that that question,
Speaker 2: but no mystery.
Speaker 1: Yes, And by the way, talk about real you know,
Speaker 1: real estate is everything, right, location, location, location, You guys
Speaker 1: have the greatest location in naw But you're going to
Speaker 1: be right downtown, right on Main Street and first in
Speaker 1: the middle of it all at above jam Seller, I believe,
Speaker 1: is a location.
Speaker 2: We are we are in cells.
Speaker 1: Okay, you're in jam Seller so just down from the
Speaker 1: Archer Hotel, which is spectacular. It is on the main drag.
Speaker 2: Talking about jam Seller's the tasting room. We're talking about
Speaker 2: jam Seller's ballroom that's above the.
Speaker 3: Lunar right, so the theater itself. Yes, And I just
Speaker 3: want to piggyback that that was the whole point. Hey,
Speaker 3: there's wine show idea. Let's just simplified. And that was
Speaker 3: you know, this conversation happened four years ago and since
Speaker 3: then it was like, well.
Speaker 2: This has to be in in a wine producer, I
Speaker 2: mean show. Yeah, it will be like just different, you know,
Speaker 2: a little different what I had to go straight to
Speaker 2: hard liquor show.
Speaker 3: But this was so unique and you know, and it
Speaker 3: took it took a mind of an individual who's a producer,
Speaker 3: you know, who had the vision Lee Marshall with magic
Speaker 3: space and the way they approached it and it was
Speaker 3: together in lightning speed.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you.
Speaker 3: Once you get people that get it together at one table.
Speaker 2: It goes fast, and so we took.
Speaker 3: A long time trying to get here and in a
Speaker 3: lightning preproduction speed. I am now a resident of Napo,
Speaker 3: so is Valve with his family, and we're so grateful.
Speaker 3: The local community saw on the show a couple of times.
Speaker 3: They can't say enough about it. And this was our goal.
Speaker 2: Pay a marsh to the farmer, paying marsh to the the.
Speaker 3: Process, process that the grape, make sure that they are
Speaker 3: not offended by what we're doing with it.
Speaker 1: And that was exactly two of the greatest performers. We know,
Speaker 1: you guys, no doubt, are going to put on an
Speaker 1: amazing show that people will love. And just selfishly, I
Speaker 1: find it perfect because when you go to NAPA, obviously
Speaker 1: there's wine tasting and there's great food and yet but
Speaker 1: there's really nothing to do later. There's nothing, as you say,
Speaker 1: after hours. So what a perfect position to give people
Speaker 1: a little something to do with the end of the day.
Speaker 2: Thank you, And and I just wanted to mention you know,
Speaker 2: first of all, the theater used to be the Napbook
Speaker 2: Opera House, so this isn't like the location is grant.
Speaker 2: We built it specifically for the show, so we extended
Speaker 2: the stage. It's I mean, man, it like sometimes throughout
Speaker 2: the night it feels like you're in a mid you know,
Speaker 2: sixteenth century Parisian like tavern. It's like, wow, it's awesome.
Speaker 2: And to kind of as far as the entertainment of it,
Speaker 2: it's not just Max and Vaal. We have a host
Speaker 2: that kind of narrates you through this story and through
Speaker 2: this experience. Incredible actress.
Speaker 1: How did I not get that gig in Napa? Damn it?
Speaker 2: And we have a cast of just extraordinary dancers and
Speaker 2: performers as well that they are kind of all all
Speaker 2: featured in the show. We have a magician and there
Speaker 2: also up magic and it's not me at.
Speaker 1: Once making his shirt disappear. I get it. You mentioned
Speaker 1: your families are there with you. And by the way,
Speaker 1: val belated congratulations on baby Rome born. I think January right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: thank you so much. You and Jenna, Max, You are
Speaker 1: you and Peta already parents expecting baby number two?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Yes, like any moment.
Speaker 2: Like actually within the next five days.
Speaker 1: Yes, no way, that's so you already have baby shy uh?
Speaker 1: And do we have a name.
Speaker 2: We do have a name.
Speaker 1: Have we announced it?
Speaker 2: I wasn't ready. It's not my decision, you know, you
Speaker 2: know I got to go make a phone call.
Speaker 1: No, I do not want to get in trouble with Peta,
Speaker 1: and I don't want you to get in trouble. Don't
Speaker 1: cross a pregnant woman, especially on the day she's about
Speaker 1: to give birth. Just let's let's leave it. But congratulations
Speaker 1: val on first becoming a dad, and you and Pete
Speaker 1: God bless you guys on a safe, healthy birth in
Speaker 1: the next week or so.
Speaker 2: Thank you so so much. We can't wait to see
Speaker 2: you on host on our show.
Speaker 3: I just want to add to what Ball was saying,
Speaker 3: is that theaters you need got to rebuild it. This
Speaker 3: seating on stage, we have a we have a bar
Speaker 3: kind of runway the seating over that as well.
Speaker 1: So I would like a lap dance.
Speaker 2: I would recommend people, I'm just kidding into the.
Speaker 3: Same afterhours dot com just to see tickets, not into
Speaker 3: like purchase, but to see what it is and understand.
Speaker 2: What we're trying to say. It's a fully immersive opportunity.
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you guys more too, about family,
Speaker 1: how brothers clearly so at six years apart. Now now
Speaker 1: that both of you are dads. Has your relationship changed?
Speaker 1: How have you guys seen each other change?
Speaker 2: I think our relationship has constantly been evolving. And uh,
Speaker 2: you know, as somebody that have shared a life but
Speaker 2: also then share the dance floor, shared lot of our
Speaker 2: interests together, that became business partners and continued. You know,
Speaker 2: we've we've had our ups and downs and ultimately now
Speaker 2: as as fathers, it kind of yes, propelled us to
Speaker 2: a new level of a friendship and relationship. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say that that was the pivotal moment that
Speaker 2: changed us. I think now we're just proud of each
Speaker 2: other even more on on like more of a human
Speaker 2: level rather than like a professional level, like wow, you've
Speaker 2: accomplished this or you've accomplished that. Now we you know,
Speaker 2: I think we're proud of each other.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's not easy. Well, you're married to Jenna
Speaker 1: Max Mary Peter from the show Lauren Ziema and I
Speaker 1: my fiance. Obviously, you guys know from antainment tonight we
Speaker 1: kind of you know, work together and fishing off the
Speaker 1: company pier. Some people say, you know, don't eat where
Speaker 1: you know where you work, but it worked for both
Speaker 1: of you. Guys, I was.
Speaker 2: About to say, That's what I was trying to say.
Speaker 3: Like, so we've been been here for a week, and uh,
Speaker 3: this is our second week in Napa.
Speaker 2: We got here seven.
Speaker 3: Days ago, and and you know, we went into the
Speaker 3: first day of tech run and we had a very
Speaker 3: gem production. It's very it was heavy schedule and we
Speaker 3: just tied and just weren't exhausted. Hey, you want to
Speaker 3: come over for dinner? Yes, and come over the Okay,
Speaker 3: you want to stay over? Yes, I'll stay over. We're
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes apart, by the way, just where we're staying here.
Speaker 3: And we ended up I ended up staying over his
Speaker 3: house that he and Jenna have here for the summer,
Speaker 3: beautiful place, a bunch of rooms. Ended up sleeping the
Speaker 3: same bad as we always do it. I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: it any other way.
Speaker 2: And uh, and that's literally us and it's our relationship.
Speaker 1: We just went on a trip with my brother. We
Speaker 1: shared a room. It's like I wanted to be with
Speaker 1: my brother. It's like it's my boy, it's my best friend.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's as far as working with our significant others,
Speaker 2: you know that there's an incredible amount of respect for them.
Speaker 2: As their own artists and entities. And yeah, it's again
Speaker 2: our close proximity is we've also been not challenging for them,
Speaker 2: but it's also something different for them to see. But
Speaker 2: that is all part of now our little world. You know,
Speaker 2: everybody understands that. And there are things that I do
Speaker 2: with Jen that I love and we do together. There
Speaker 2: are things that we also do separately together, which is
Speaker 2: dancing with the stars. You know that is also you know,
Speaker 2: we're close by, but we have our own responsibilities and
Speaker 2: our own kind of responsibilities to our partners. There are
Speaker 2: things that Max and Peter do together, and there are
Speaker 2: things that Max and I do together that our wives
Speaker 2: love and support, and.
Speaker 3: These these are different, I feel like to me, there
Speaker 3: are different products. The maxim bell is one and the
Speaker 3: Bell and Jen is a beautiful different dance product. And
Speaker 3: you know, relationship with Peter and maxis have their own
Speaker 3: sort of like line going on.
Speaker 2: But I love that we're.
Speaker 3: Still doing it together and we're kind of finding our niches.
Speaker 3: We're not with floral ident two identical couples. We identical
Speaker 3: in dancing in the world that we're from and where
Speaker 3: we came from. Like you would think, right it's pretty different.
Speaker 2: We were well because there are a lot of similarities,
Speaker 2: but there's also a lot of really important differences, and
Speaker 2: I think figured out a way to support those differences.
Speaker 1: Would you want your kids to dance? Would you push
Speaker 1: them in that professional world?
Speaker 2: My kids dancing? Shy?
Speaker 3: You know a year ago you asked me that question,
Speaker 3: and and and you know there's a story how he said,
Speaker 3: you know you're doing a lot of things.
Speaker 2: Well, don't you want to do I asked him. He said,
Speaker 2: I don't like that. I was like, okay, I'll never
Speaker 2: ask you that again. That you know, he stuck with it.
Speaker 2: He dances ballroom.
Speaker 3: So he's got his recital with his bolroom partner that
Speaker 3: he does like twice a week, and it's turned into
Speaker 3: this is what you're doing, and he doesn't mind it
Speaker 3: and actually getting great at it and led me a
Speaker 3: couple of times.
Speaker 2: So I was shocked and surprised.
Speaker 3: But he also has passion for hip hop, which is like,
Speaker 3: not one of our things. And he drags Peter to
Speaker 3: West Hollywood with Melbourne, so she has to shlip every
Speaker 3: Saturday for that one class that he just wanted to do.
Speaker 3: He just had to recital, and I was like, we're
Speaker 3: watching his ear two year smile.
Speaker 2: I can't believe that.
Speaker 3: You know, this has been my baby and now it's
Speaker 3: this person and he has his own track line and
Speaker 3: he knows where he's.
Speaker 2: Going with it.
Speaker 1: So cool.
Speaker 3: I want to give it to him to choose, like
Speaker 3: with our parents who are trying to tell us, you know,
Speaker 3: he has his tendence, he's got his soccer, his dance,
Speaker 3: he's got his academics, you know, searching whatever. It is
Speaker 3: my responsibility with Peters just to make sure that he
Speaker 3: has these, you know, things to to achieve and then
Speaker 3: he'll have more choice to pick trom what he wants
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: I would love to put I would I would love
Speaker 2: to have my kid dance. You know, I don't know
Speaker 2: if I you know, the rest will you know, time
Speaker 2: will tell. But whether he pursues it professionally or not
Speaker 2: is regardless of why I would want him to do dance.
Speaker 2: I think it's really good for your mental health, physical health,
Speaker 2: and social health. Is just a really really awesome thing
Speaker 2: that everybody should put their kids into.
Speaker 1: You guys will be together for a Father's Day. I
Speaker 1: assume you'll be up there and nap it together.
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, we're here on schedule. We're here for
Speaker 3: the rest of the summer. That's actually a real thing.
Speaker 3: The only time I might not be here is in
Speaker 3: the next seven days.
Speaker 1: This is where value you're gonna get, like a weird
Speaker 1: gift from baby Rome that Jenna has put together, like
Speaker 1: a bad like a bad tie or a bath towel
Speaker 1: or something weird. And then but you're gonna hold on
Speaker 1: to it forever because you'll remember that was like.
Speaker 2: A swe that's say that says father.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was best dad in the world. But this
Speaker 1: is your first. This is your first. So happy Father's
Speaker 1: Day to you.
Speaker 2: Thanks man, thank you. It's it's a great title. It's
Speaker 2: the best.
Speaker 1: It really is. I want to talk to you guys
Speaker 1: too about Dancing with the Stars, obviously helped by you know,
Speaker 1: the writer's strike and the need to bring stuff back,
Speaker 1: but it's coming back to ABC. Thoughts on that.
Speaker 2: Thoughts, Oh, it's awesome. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 2: folks that we left behind, you know. I'm glad that well,
Speaker 2: I've already heard the response, you know. Ever ever since
Speaker 2: the announcement was made, Uh, everybody that stops me that right,
Speaker 2: ignizes me from the show. They all mention how happy.
Speaker 1: They are that it's coming back to But some of
Speaker 1: the big changes. First and foremost, host Julianne Huff is
Speaker 1: going to be taking on that role. I think her
Speaker 1: and Alfonso Roberto correct, Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love Alfonso
Speaker 1: and I love well, I love Julianne as well. What
Speaker 1: do you guys think of the hosting duo.
Speaker 2: I think they're going to be great. I mean they
Speaker 2: both have rapport with all the dancers, right, I think
Speaker 2: that's really important because well, they have report with the dance,
Speaker 2: they have rapport with the space. You know, as soon
Speaker 2: as you walk into a space you're familiar with, as
Speaker 2: soon as you are surrounded by people you're familiar with.
Speaker 2: I mean, it just changes the energy in which you
Speaker 2: conduct yourself, in the way you conduct those interviews. And
Speaker 2: so I think Alfonso is going to be an incredible host.
Speaker 2: I think julian How Huff will be a great companion,
Speaker 2: and I think that it's great for the show.
Speaker 1: Obviously, huge shoes to fill. On a sad note, Len Goodman,
Speaker 1: the brilliant judge. I know you guys love and respect it.
Speaker 1: Everybody did passed away. This will be the first season
Speaker 1: without Land. Who could fill that role and can you
Speaker 1: fill that role moving forward?
Speaker 2: I mean a big.
Speaker 3: Loss obviously, but Len was kind of like on his
Speaker 3: way out just yeah, fashion well I believe that he
Speaker 3: did step away for season or two then came back
Speaker 3: to the inaugural season.
Speaker 2: It was awesome to have him back. To be honest
Speaker 2: with you, he came you know, when he came back,
Speaker 2: it felt like, Okay, that's what was missing type of thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the show is also going through some changes,
Speaker 3: and from a side view, it felt like it was
Speaker 3: going up and down. Now the show is back. You know,
Speaker 3: it's incredible that it's sustained itself. I love that it's
Speaker 3: back when you see personally, I love that it's a
Speaker 3: fun kind of deal.
Speaker 2: Well because he would still watch it on uh yeah,
Speaker 2: because it's like just it's just more, you know, it's
Speaker 2: not like or it's just an end, and that's always better.
Speaker 3: And it also I feel like in terms of Land,
Speaker 3: some things that just not necessarily need to be replaced,
Speaker 3: maybe there's something that can come that's different, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe something that could change in the dynamic of the
Speaker 3: judging panel.
Speaker 2: And you know, people can grab onto this and say, oh,
Speaker 2: who do you want fire? This isn't what I'm saying, brilliant.
Speaker 2: Everything changes, everything.
Speaker 3: Goes through ebbs and flows, and so I feel like
Speaker 3: with the permanent see in Land missing right from here
Speaker 3: on out, I feel like there won't be a question
Speaker 3: of when is he going to come back? Or will
Speaker 3: replace him with someone like that? Now it's sort of
Speaker 3: like an open discussion of who can be the next
Speaker 3: you know, to fill that role.
Speaker 1: Could we see a Chimmerkowski in the judges scene?
Speaker 2: I will I would love to fill that role. Can
Speaker 2: just say that finally, and you know that way.
Speaker 3: I will probably not going to be on the show
Speaker 3: as dance as a pro, but if there's an opportunity
Speaker 3: for me to step into the role of a judge
Speaker 3: and adjudicator, absolutely absolutely, because I would love to bring.
Speaker 2: Value to that position as well in a in a
Speaker 2: way that I feel like.
Speaker 3: He wanted, and continue with the bringing the brand and
Speaker 3: continue helping the brand, because you know, we're all part
Speaker 3: of that came from there where I'm sitting here because
Speaker 3: of that show, and so I love seeing it be
Speaker 3: back in the familiar kind.
Speaker 1: Of yeah, now what about you?
Speaker 2: Well, in what sense what I want to judge the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, could you see yourself ever sitting in that seat?
Speaker 2: Of course, of course I love you know, I love dance.
Speaker 2: I love dance. I teach dance, I perform dance. I
Speaker 2: grew up with dance. I preached the gospel of dance.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, look, you guys are such characters. Not
Speaker 1: a bad idea to put you both on the panel
Speaker 1: and let you go at each other a little bit.
Speaker 4: That that'd be a good dyeamic it would be awesome,
Speaker 4: or the answer with the stars should invest in a spinoff?
Speaker 4: There you go, and we don't have to have to
Speaker 4: replace anybody, you know, we don't have to change ourselves
Speaker 4: to kind of fill a certain role. And at the
Speaker 4: same time, to see this.
Speaker 1: Ridiculous, well what I like, I do like with and
Speaker 1: appreciate what you said, Max, and I believe that for
Speaker 1: all legends, it's that no one's going to fill that
Speaker 1: void necessarily. You can't try to be land. You're just
Speaker 1: going to go in and do what you do and
Speaker 1: you'll you'll put your own thumbprint on it and your
Speaker 1: own spin on it, and that's an important way to
Speaker 1: approach it. Whoever takes that role.
Speaker 2: Right cool. I also think that it'll be fun to
Speaker 2: have somebody maybe completely outside of this world to come
Speaker 2: in and be a judge, you know, essentially from a different.
Speaker 1: Genre of things, you mean, like Tom Brady, Like what
Speaker 1: are you talking about?
Speaker 2: Not of tom Brady, but but again, if we want
Speaker 2: to expand this this style of two more markets, you know,
Speaker 2: potentially boys that is from a different genre of either
Speaker 2: movement or.
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in entertainment again, and we've had guest judges and
Speaker 2: they don't always they don't always fly.
Speaker 1: It's not easy. It's not easy.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's not again, I don't know what the answer is. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm excited for the show because as much as
Speaker 2: I'm celebrating it coming back to ABC, I do have
Speaker 2: to give credit to Disney and that move because even
Speaker 2: though World One Family, it did feel like us moving
Speaker 2: to Disney. Plus, I saw billboards, I saw an excitement,
Speaker 2: I saw a change and energy that really I think
Speaker 2: revived the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would be remiss if we didn't talk a
Speaker 1: little bit before you guys go. You are Ukrainian out
Speaker 1: Ukrainians obviously the war Lingers on what is your emotional
Speaker 1: state on this what do you guys hear from back home.
Speaker 1: Are you still connected with It's it's.
Speaker 2: It's it's emotional, you know.
Speaker 3: Speaking for me, I'm I mean we have different ties, opportunity,
Speaker 3: you know, conversations, connections, but overall we're kind of like
Speaker 3: in the same place. But it's emotional, you know. I'm
Speaker 3: I'm able to disconnect, to be honest, or do I
Speaker 3: want to, But it feels like it's the length of
Speaker 3: this tragedy. It's just it takes more and more, you know,
Speaker 3: more and more out of out of you, I feel.
Speaker 2: Anyway, the current news is that the blowing up of
Speaker 2: the dam in Zaparisia.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, we we now are just, in
Speaker 5: my opinion, just globally waiting for a disaster that is
Speaker 5: so big that it is starts to affect the outside
Speaker 5: of your brain.
Speaker 2: And I think that that's when it's going to start
Speaker 2: to kind of like, okay, so maybe it's just step in.
Speaker 3: But what's happening internally, it's so devastating and it's just
Speaker 3: so hard to watch, and it's such a soap opera,
Speaker 3: just like we're all in that sort of fish saying.
Speaker 2: I felt I spoke hoping somebody a couple of days ago,
Speaker 2: and I feel.
Speaker 3: Like we're all in the zoom, just kind of like
Speaker 3: watching the animals go at it, and I'm like, this
Speaker 3: is just so heartbreaking, and you know, I wish for
Speaker 3: the world to oversee some rules and regulations globally and
Speaker 3: try to, you know, end it. And it has to
Speaker 3: be ended by giving back to your brain.
Speaker 2: It's theory.
Speaker 1: Well, Max, you were there and you documented some things
Speaker 1: before you got out, and you did such a brilliant
Speaker 1: job of that. Are there two kind of sides to you?
Speaker 1: That part of you probably wishes you were still there
Speaker 1: so you could be kind of involved and connected somehow.
Speaker 1: But then part of you is probably like, I'm glad
Speaker 1: my family is safe and we're out, and there may
Speaker 1: be may even be a little guilt involved with that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a beat up phrase at this point,
Speaker 2: with the survivor's guilt.
Speaker 3: But you know, it's it's been a year and a
Speaker 3: half later, and you know I've spoken to enough people
Speaker 3: and understood enough about this, and I was also helped
Speaker 3: along the way, supported and you know, motivated and also
Speaker 3: educated in a lot of ways.
Speaker 2: So you know, I'm a different meet today. I know
Speaker 2: who I am I know who I'm not. I know
Speaker 2: who I'm not and what I'm not a part of,
Speaker 2: but I'm.
Speaker 3: A global citizen and my connection to your brain is
Speaker 3: just is not a choice at the point at this point,
Speaker 3: it's it's something that the.
Speaker 2: Strategy tragedy also kind of.
Speaker 3: You know, allowed me to reconnect with that that part
Speaker 3: of Ukraine you need, you know, and so I feel
Speaker 3: very proud to be a part of this in that
Speaker 3: sort of way.
Speaker 2: I hate that I that this has ever happened.
Speaker 3: I don't think I was documenting anything out of key
Speaker 3: if I was just honestly it was a cry for
Speaker 3: not cry for help, but it was like.
Speaker 2: Am I the only one seeing this? Like how common
Speaker 2: of its really running?
Speaker 3: But today, like I said, it's up to powers to
Speaker 3: be Our job is to you know, help support the person,
Speaker 3: you know, the training person that's not it's not in
Speaker 3: their choice and they're the ones suffering. So we continue
Speaker 3: in humanitarian efforts. Burn Over twenty seven with our Dad
Speaker 3: is still operational and we're working on some big events
Speaker 3: to help you know, fundraise at the time when people
Speaker 3: already stopped doing that.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I know we're still in it, and we'll
Speaker 2: be here for the long hold.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna give you a chance before we say goodbye,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Might take even even with our charity and fundraising and
Speaker 2: things like that, you know, the subject matter became politicized,
Speaker 2: just like everything else in this country. And I just
Speaker 2: want to emphasize that besides, you know, right and wrong,
Speaker 2: you know, just on some like human level. You know,
Speaker 2: because when we started fundraising, our warehouse was in New Jersey,
Speaker 2: Nor Jersey, and we in two days we had a
Speaker 2: close to a thousand people show up to help organize
Speaker 2: the humanitarian aid that was pouring in. And they weren't
Speaker 2: thousand Ukrainians that woked in. It was you know, ninety
Speaker 2: five percent every walk of life, you know, just just
Speaker 2: local tri state area of folks that came in. And
Speaker 2: it reminded me of the days after nine to eleven
Speaker 2: where people again, people rally like this is the most
Speaker 2: American thing to do is to support another dog. So
Speaker 2: for me, Ukraine is you know, at the moment, it
Speaker 2: is synonymous with the American spirit. It's defending its land
Speaker 2: against somebody that is trying to take it from them,
Speaker 2: is doing it righteously, you know, and courageously and I
Speaker 2: think it spoke to a lot of Americans until again
Speaker 2: that the subject matter became hijacked by political you know whatever.
Speaker 2: But I haven't lost sight of that. For me, it's
Speaker 2: a matter of being there for somebody in need. And
Speaker 2: I think the country of Ukraine is that somebody.
Speaker 1: It's not lose sight of the people. Yeah, absolutely, speaking
Speaker 1: of two good people, Max and Vale. Right here, I'm
Speaker 1: telling you talk about the American uh you know story
Speaker 1: right here.
Speaker 2: This is it.
Speaker 1: You guys have been so successful and crushed it and
Speaker 1: it's been fun to watch you guys and get to
Speaker 1: know you gosh over the last decade your new venture Savor.
Speaker 1: After ours spectacular wine tasting dance show at Napa Valley,
Speaker 1: everybody is going to be wanting to know how to
Speaker 1: get tickets. So tell us again, where do we go
Speaker 1: to check it out and buy tickets?
Speaker 2: Well, you can go to save half the hours dot
Speaker 2: com and all the details of where, when, tickets, all
Speaker 2: of that will be there.
Speaker 1: All right, fellas, go go check them out if you're
Speaker 1: in Napa Valley. I'm definitely gonna be there and I
Speaker 1: will be there front row. I don't know if I'll
Speaker 1: be on the stage, but you know close, Chris, Well.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about me. We'll take you on on the stage.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I want all of Max's sweat
Speaker 1: on me. No, fellaws. Hey, it's good to see you again.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you're doing well. And again Val congrats and
Speaker 1: prematurely Max to you and Pete. God bless you guys,
Speaker 1: and good luck to you. I know you're expecting baby
Speaker 1: number two any day now.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much and good luck to you. We're
Speaker 2: also big fans and followed your career and thank you
Speaker 2: for the.
Speaker 1: Con words always boys, Y'll take care. I'll talk to
Speaker 1: you soon.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
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