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Speaker 3: Is the news biased?

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Speaker 4: Unbiased news?

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Speaker 5: Unbiased news? Who just have so much biased news every day?

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Speaker 6: Of course the news is biased, differentiate between obtainion and fact.

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Speaker 1: We need more objective reporting overall across the board.

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Speaker 3: If you are overwhelmed with fear about getting some of

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Speaker 3: this and biased in pure news, there are services that

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Speaker 3: will tell you what news is biased or unbiased, and

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Speaker 3: there are outlets that claim to not be biased at all.

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Speaker 3: Do you think the news is biased?

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Speaker 7: Especially it depends like what network you're on, And I

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Speaker 7: think like left wing right we.

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Speaker 8: Twenty four hour news network should be illegal and they

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Speaker 8: are biased, okay both sides.

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Speaker 9: I think they should just state next exactly.

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Speaker 10: Thank you.

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Speaker 11: Fact based news outlets, I think we can call them.

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Speaker 5: Mainstream fact based.

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Speaker 11: News, responsible fact based news organization.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, just the facts. Why would you want

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Speaker 3: anything else? But you know, it's funny. People are obviously

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Speaker 3: quite aware that the news is biased, but not always

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Speaker 3: so imaginative as to how where do you guys get

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Speaker 3: your news?

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Speaker 9: It's kind of sad by I get a lot of

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Speaker 9: my news from social media.

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Speaker 8: I normally get my news from Wow. I don't get

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Speaker 8: a lot of news. I don't believe in it.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe.

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Speaker 12: I'm fascinated by this.

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Speaker 8: I don't believe in the news now too much spend.

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Speaker 3: There is a general notion that bias occurs when a

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Speaker 3: position on the political spectrum is apparent, which is why

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Speaker 3: if someone has to come up with examples of biased news,

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Speaker 3: they might immediately point to Fox or MSNBC. But people

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Speaker 3: tend to overlook many key ways media can exhibit bias,

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Speaker 3: and so to explore this, I asked people to compare

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Speaker 3: a handful of headlines. He has no shirt on that

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Speaker 3: is psychotic.

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Speaker 9: Un rejects resolution calling for immediate ceasefire in Gaza, US

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Speaker 9: blocks resolution calling for seas fire and.

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Speaker 10: Gaza so rejects versus blocks.

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Speaker 7: Rejects versus blocks because blocks and rejects means the same thing.

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Speaker 8: Right rejects is like, uh, we're not going to do that.

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Speaker 8: Blocks is like we're stopping it.

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Speaker 4: And un versuss I think this more comes down to

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Speaker 4: your inherent feelings about the UN versus your inherent feelings

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Speaker 7: Maybe like lots of different nations rejected this thing, but

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Speaker 7: US blocks is like, no, it was America.

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Speaker 9: Like the whole world doesn't want to come to peace

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Speaker 9: or compromise, or this one makes it seem like it's

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Speaker 3: Want to compromise.

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Speaker 4: I think you could look at this and the headline.

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Speaker 4: People will post the headline and say like they don't

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Speaker 4: want to cease fire, but the context is they don't

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Speaker 4: want to cease fire given the term of the agreement.

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Speaker 4: This makes it feel more antip from either the UN

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Speaker 3: What about the added context that if the vast majority

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Speaker 3: of you and nations supported the resolution.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I see, okay, yeah, that makes a big difference

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Speaker 9: when most of them wanted to.

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Speaker 7: You're right, they both leave out very important detail, which

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Speaker 7: ten votes against the one hundred and forty five in favor.

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Speaker 3: Right, you do not like the idea that you were

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Speaker 13: To click at them.

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Speaker 5: I don't like that at all.

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Speaker 14: Like, if you're crafting a headline because you have a

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Speaker 14: constuctor and the readers that largely agree with your ideas,

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Speaker 14: then people probably like the idea of being you know,

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Speaker 14: incentivised to click on a headline that canfirm their view.

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Speaker 3: The headlines I was asking people to compare were both

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Speaker 3: from Fox News and the recent headlines are so important

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Speaker 3: is because more than half of people only read the headlines.

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Speaker 3: But clearly two factual headlines can take you into different directions,

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Speaker 3: which is why just the facts is. Let's say a

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Speaker 3: offers this edit, deadly Israeli airstrike hits area of Gaza

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Speaker 3: that Israel told Palestinians to move to. Do you feel

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Speaker 3: like one is more accurate, one's less biased.

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Speaker 9: The second one is more biased, yeah, the big ones

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Speaker 9: more biased.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The second one is trying to convince you that Israel

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Speaker 4: is killing people intentionally. The first one is more statement.

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Speaker 12: In fact, yees, So I mean here you can easily

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Speaker 12: see that in the second statement, they're trying to portray

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Speaker 7: Both are biased because one is like very specifically obviously

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Speaker 5: Do you feel like the.

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Speaker 3: Second one is just kind of sensational for me?

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Speaker 12: This news is about the violence that is being spread

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Speaker 12: in the world, So I don't care if it's Israel

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Speaker 12: spading the violins or is the Palestinian spading the oilings.

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Speaker 12: There could be some stages where some Palestinians would have

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Speaker 12: done something bad, and it's not all of Israel doing

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Speaker 12: the strike, and it's not all of Palestinians doing something

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Speaker 12: which might offend is a way. It's just a group

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Speaker 12: of people. So it's important that if you want to

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Speaker 12: go into that news level of detail, then you should

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Speaker 12: be specifying that who has always doing this thing?

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Speaker 3: One headline is more appropriate than the other.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think those are important, So.

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Speaker 12: Like, I don't know if they actually did that or not.

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Speaker 12: The second one seems to be having an agenda.

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Speaker 8: The second one says that Israeli was trying to basically

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Speaker 8: for our people and lead them into a trap and

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Speaker 8: then drop a bomb on them. It's pretty terrific, right,

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Speaker 8: I Mean, that's just a mess over there in Gaza.

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Speaker 8: If both are completely correct, the second one is more appropriate.

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Speaker 15: The fact that like Israel told Palestinians to move there,

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Speaker 15: is that true?

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Speaker 16: It is.

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Speaker 3: I would say that there is some confusion about what

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Speaker 3: constitutes sensationalism, namely the difference between a needlessly graphic headline

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Speaker 3: kind of shocking. But the question of who gets sensational

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Speaker 3: or graphic versus neutral headlines is where a lot of

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Speaker 3: bias comes in. This from the intercept between the La Times,

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Speaker 3: New York Times and Washington Post, the term slaughter was

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Speaker 3: applied to Israelis versus Palestinians sixty to one, horrific thirty

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Speaker 3: The article was originally headlined what we know about Tyri

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Speaker 3: Nichols lethal encounter with Memphis police, and then they changed

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Speaker 3: Tyrie Nichols's death. Do you think they're both representative death

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Speaker 14: Those are both pretty neutral, I would say both for me,

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Speaker 14: but open ended trying to get you to click on it.

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Speaker 4: They're all the relatively passive though. It's like not saying

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Speaker 4: he was killed, it's saying lethal encounter and of death.

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Speaker 4: So both of them are not like that aggressive in

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Speaker 9: And then you mean like both of are both of

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Speaker 9: them kind of like pretty fair, like not too biased way.

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Speaker 7: Just framing it as a death versus a lethal encounter

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Speaker 7: with police.

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Speaker 8: You know, they're not trying to throw the police under

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Speaker 8: questions that need to be answered.

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Speaker 6: I think I can say, like, that's what happened.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, both of them would say.

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Speaker 3: The first one mentions that he was killed by the police,

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Speaker 3: and the second one he says he.

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Speaker 13: Oh okay.

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Speaker 9: I think the first headline has stronger wording, like it

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Speaker 9: makes you feel.

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Speaker 18: Something more like get a stronger rise and reaction out

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Speaker 7: In terms of the feeling that you get as you're

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Speaker 8: I would say the questions that remain are probably a

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Speaker 3: The people I spoke with were basically a generally aware

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Speaker 3: and to inveay a story faithfully, but to get rid

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Speaker 3: of bias, for the most part, not entirely possible. However,

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Speaker 3: a few people I spoke with did seem to be

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Speaker 3: or that a certain headline was sensational. But what certain

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Speaker 3: people think they're looking for is actually the esthetic of neutrality,

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Speaker 3: I would say, because writing a headline about crime but

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Speaker 3: leaving out the perpetrator of the crime is not to

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Speaker 3: achieve neutrality, and a piece of news has an emotional

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Speaker 3: impact that doesn't preclude objectivity. Sometimes a story is just shocking,

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Speaker 3: and if a story is shocking, there is no reason

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Speaker 3: to neuter the details so to produce an emotionless headline.

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Speaker 3: I will see in the next one.

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Speaker 18: I never found my people, I never found my place,

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Speaker 18: and finally I landed and I found my friends, and

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Speaker 18: being here in Israel is just a life changing experience

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Speaker 18: to finally land where I was supposed to be.

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Speaker 15: Always the people, the experiences, and just like the joy

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Speaker 15: that we had on this trip, I'm gonna cry. It's

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Speaker 15: like I've never had such a meaningful yet fun experience

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Speaker 15: in my entire life.

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Speaker 19: Founded in nineteen ninety four by Charles Bronfman and Michael

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Speaker 19: Steinhardt in cooperation with the Israeli government, Birthright Israel or

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Speaker 19: simply Birthright, is a free ten day heritage trip to Israel,

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Speaker 19: Jerusalem and the Golden Heights for young adults of Jewish

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Speaker 19: heritage between the ages of eighteen and twenty six. The

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Speaker 19: purpose being to strengthen diaspora jes connection to Israel and

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Speaker 19: increase a sense of Jewish identity. But can a free

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Speaker 19: trip really be free?

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Speaker 11: A ten day trip to Israel with flights, food, and

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Speaker 11: a ton of instagrammable moments all for free, you may

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Speaker 11: have heard of Birthright Israel, the all expense paid adventure

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Speaker 11: to the Holy Land seems too good to be true, right,

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Speaker 11: there has to be a catch, but there isn't one.

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Speaker 11: You're not going to be roped into long boring religious

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Speaker 11: seminars or be told what to think about the Israeli

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Speaker 11: Palestinian conflict.

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Speaker 7: And if not, now is targeting Birthright into campaign urging

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Speaker 7: the group to and it's words, tell the truth about

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Speaker 7: the Israeli occupation.

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Speaker 10: Not to learn about Israel.

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Speaker 17: You going to learn about Palestine.

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Speaker 6: This is dr either Julian, this is Mike Dodgery, and

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Speaker 6: I'm not leaving it anywhere.

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Speaker 10: It's going to be away from Earth.

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Speaker 3: They specifically banned trip organizers from planning trips that involve

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Speaker 20: Welcome Katie thank you so much for having me. I'm

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely so. I'm the granddaughter of a Holocauster. My

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Speaker 19: So that leads to my next question, which is what

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Speaker 1: Oh.

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Speaker 20: Absolutely.

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Speaker 20: And that gave me such pause.

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Speaker 1: I had never heard her use language like that before,

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Speaker 1: on apartheid systems and heard, you know, the comparisons between

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Speaker 1: So I went on Birthright very prepared to rabble rouse

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Speaker 19: So what was your experience, like, what did you see there?

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Speaker 19: What conversations were had. I have seen some reports testimonies

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Speaker 1: Yes, I tried to approach with a lot of pointed curiosity.

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Speaker 20: The politics between Israel and Palestine, and.

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Speaker 1: And I really think if this were about sharing Jewish

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Speaker 20: But they want folks.

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Speaker 1: of its gender politics and didn't feel like a good

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Speaker 1: match for me, So I didn't have a bot mizvah

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Speaker 1: when I was growing up, and when I was on birthright.

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Speaker 1: at the wall in Jerusalem, having this beautiful spiritual experience

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Speaker 1: and crying with other folks who were making their conversion

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Speaker 1: process more official. And that was a profound, heady experience

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Speaker 1: of just not like this is my transition to Jewish

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I think this is really important to discuss, and

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Speaker 19: I do want to touch I know we've touched on

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Speaker 19: a lightly anti Semitism that you brought up, because I

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Speaker 19: think it is a very real thing, not only in

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Speaker 19: the US but all of the world. Although I do

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Speaker 19: think there is a little bit of danger in that

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Speaker 19: that term is being thrown around I think a little

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Speaker 19: too haphazardly right now to mean much of anything. It's

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Speaker 19: in danger of kind of just meaning nothing. So I'm

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Speaker 19: wondering what your personal I know you touch on it

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Speaker 19: when you're a kid, but what has been your personal

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Speaker 19: experience with anti Semitism and what do you think should

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Speaker 20: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, one example is when I was living in Rhode Island,

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Speaker 1: detention facilities in Rhodeland. I was at counter protests against

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Speaker 1: the starkest experience of anti Semitism I ever had was

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Speaker 1: members of the Proud Boys sharing my contact information on Stormfront,

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Speaker 1: the White Pride worldwide website and dosing me. So they

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Speaker 1: called my cell phone and told me that they were

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Speaker 1: going to come to my home. They had my home address.

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Speaker 1: I had to, you know, contact police and have a

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Speaker 1: patrol car on my street for several days because the

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Speaker 1: threats were legitimate and threats to safety. And I think

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Speaker 1: there's a conflation happening here between the violence of language

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Speaker 1: and actual threats to safety. I don't believe that the

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Speaker 1: statement from the river to the Sea, Palestine will be

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Speaker 1: free is inherently violent that to me implies a right

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Speaker 1: of return full humanity and enfranchisement as political actors for

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Speaker 1: Palestinians who choose to return to their homeland, a secular

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Speaker 1: state where folks can exist with equal rights, regardless of

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Speaker 1: their religion and regardless of their ethnic background, and a

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Speaker 1: deconstruction of ethno nationalism in Israel Palestine. That to me

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Speaker 1: is a beautiful mission. It is not a threat of violence.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, before we go, I want to try to do

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Speaker 19: maybe a little thought experiment if you can try to

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Speaker 19: straw man for us the Israeli perspective specifically. I know

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Speaker 19: that you're a huge advocate for the LGBTQ community. So

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Speaker 19: one of the arguments that I've heard a lot is

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Speaker 19: they meaning Hamas, or you could argue Palestine or the

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Speaker 19: Arab world in general, their religious extremists. Israel, we're the

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Speaker 19: ones that want peace, but every time we've offered peace,

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Speaker 19: they refuse. We are the only liberal democracy in the

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Speaker 19: Middle East. If you, as a queer person, try to

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Speaker 19: go to Gaza or what was I guess? Once Gaza,

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Speaker 19: you'd be persecuted. So despite all of these civilian deaths,

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Speaker 19: you'd be a fool not to support Israel. What are

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Speaker 19: your thoughts about this particular argument? Is there a case

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Speaker 19: to be made here?

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Speaker 20: Oh No, I think the argument is absurd.

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Speaker 1: I so, first of all, that wholesale races the safe

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Speaker 1: existence of queer Palestinians and queer housms. There are absolutely

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Speaker 1: Palestinian organizers who are queer and who are advocating for

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Speaker 1: the liberation of queer community. And if you are in

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Speaker 1: a position where you are being mass murdered, where you

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Speaker 1: are being exterminated, and you are fighting for your life,

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Speaker 1: what space do you have cognitively, emotionally or literally to

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Speaker 1: advocate for queer liberation. I also think Israel is not

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Speaker 1: a liberal democracy. It's an ethno nationalist state. There are

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Speaker 1: citizens there who do not have the same rights because

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Speaker 1: of their race, ethnicity, in the way that they're born.

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Speaker 1: There have been efforts eugenics efforts in Israel to stop,

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Speaker 1: for example, Ethiopian Jews from reproducing, and this was admitted

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Speaker 1: by the Israeli Minister of Health in twenty fourteen. Any

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Speaker 1: of those behaviors stop Israel from really being considered a

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Speaker 1: legitimate liberal democracy. And I do think this concern of

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Speaker 1: if we allow Palestine as the right of return, or

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Speaker 1: if we come to the table and try and negotiate,

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Speaker 1: they're going to want to wipe all of us out.

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Speaker 1: That is projection because we did that because Jews and

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Speaker 1: Zionists and Israelis came to Palestine and exiled seven hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand people and have slowly been enacting violence, and we

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Speaker 1: are worried about retribution. People are concerned that they will

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Speaker 1: do to us what we did to them. There's been

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Speaker 1: this sort of post Holocaust embodied violence of do unto

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Speaker 1: others what has been done to you, and that I

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Speaker 1: think really takes Israel off the table as a liberal democracy.

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Speaker 1: And this argument that that Palestine is the aggressor off

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Speaker 1: the table as well.

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Speaker 19: That's a I think a compelling argument. And I just

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Speaker 19: want to thank you for sharing your perspective. I learned

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Speaker 19: a lot in this short conversation. So for those who

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Speaker 19: want are interested in hearing more of your perspective, where

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Speaker 19: can people find you?

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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely so. I am on Instagram at k dot

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Speaker 1: w dot bogan just first initial, middle initial, last name,

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Speaker 1: and I'm on TikTok as at sexuality Scholar. My academic

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Speaker 1: research is on sexual functioning outcomes among survivors of sexual

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Speaker 1: abuse and trauma. So if you're interested in my work there,

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Speaker 1: I would say follow me on sexuality scholar, but I

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Speaker 1: talk about my from Palestine politic and being sort of

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Speaker 1: zionis critical on both platforms.

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Speaker 19: All right, everybody go follow Katie. Thank you so much

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Speaker 19: for taking the time to share your perspectives with us today.

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Speaker 20: Thank you so much. It was lovely to chatting with you.

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Speaker 19: That is it for me this week. I hope this

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Speaker 19: conversation was as helpful and informative for you as it

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Speaker 19: has been for me. If you enjoyed it, I highly

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Speaker 19: encourage you to check out and subscribe to my YouTube

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Speaker 19: channel fifty one forty nine with James Lee. Of course,

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Speaker 19: keep on tuning into Breaking Points, and as always, thank

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Speaker 19: you so much for your time today.

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Speaker 5: All Right, I'm Maximilian Alvarez. I'm the editor in chief

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Speaker 5: of the Real News Network and host of the podcast

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Speaker 5: Working People and This is the Art of Class War

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Speaker 5: on Breaking Points. On Wednesday of this week, Sean Fame,

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Speaker 5: the reform president of the United Auto Workers who led

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Speaker 5: his union through last year's historic stand up strike at

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Speaker 5: Ford General Motors and Stilantis, formerly endorsed Joe Biden for

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Speaker 5: president in the twenty twenty four general elections. On behalf

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Speaker 5: of the union, which represents three hundred and ninety one

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Speaker 5: thousand active members and more than five hundred and eighty

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Speaker 5: thousand retired members. Fame famously refused to endorse Biden or

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Speaker 5: any other candidate last year, warning that the union's coveted

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Speaker 5: endorsement would need to be earned, especially when it came

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Speaker 5: to how candidates responded to the autoworkers' strike in September.

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Speaker 5: In October, but Fein's endorsement of Biden and Biden's subsequent

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Speaker 5: acceptance of that endorsement was greeted with defiance from a

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Speaker 5: contingent of rank and file UAW members who argue that

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Speaker 5: with this endorsement, the union is contradicting its own stated

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Speaker 5: support for an immediate, permanent ceasefire in Gaza. Endorsing Joe

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Speaker 5: Biden for president. Joe Biden, a self proclaimed Zionist whose

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Speaker 5: administration has been the number one military, financial, and political

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Speaker 5: supporter of Israel's genocidal assault on Gaza and its ethnic

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Speaker 5: cleansing of Palestinians, is a clear and blatant contradiction that

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Speaker 5: undercuts Fanes and the uaw stated commitment to quote standing

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Speaker 5: for justice across the globe. And some UAW members took

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Speaker 5: direct action to disrupt Biden's address to the union on

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Speaker 5: Wednesday in order to hold the union leadership to their

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Speaker 5: own words. Here is cell phone video from the action,

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Speaker 5: which workers shared with us.

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Speaker 19: No matter what that was, it should be.

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Speaker 5: For this Breaking Points exclusive edition of the Art of

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Speaker 5: Class War, I got to interview three of the union

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Speaker 5: members who disrupted by the speech on Wednesday, less than

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Speaker 5: one hour after they were dragged out of the event

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Speaker 5: by secret service. I sat down and spoke with Shahinas Ganeed,

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Speaker 5: Nicki Thomas, and Johanna King Slatski of UAW Local twenty

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Speaker 5: seven to ten. Here's our conversation, which we recorded from

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Speaker 5: the Real News studio here in Baltimore.

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Speaker 10: My name is Shahuanas Ganea.

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Speaker 9: I am with UAW Northeastern University, Organizing and Higher Education.

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Speaker 9: I am a fourth year jd PhD student in criminology

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Speaker 9: and criminal justice and we just want our election back

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Speaker 9: in September.

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Speaker 10: So we are new to the UAW.

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Speaker 17: And hello.

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Speaker 6: My name is Niki Thomas. I am also at Northeastern

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Speaker 6: University with Jenny UAW as a higher ed organizer. I'm

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Speaker 6: in the bioengineering department. If anybody cares.

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Speaker 17: I'm Johannah. I am a fifth year PhD candidate and

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Speaker 17: teach as well at Columbia University. I'm getting my degree

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Speaker 17: in English and Comparative literature, and I'm a member of

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Speaker 17: UAW Local twenty seven ten.

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Speaker 13: Awesome.

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Speaker 5: Well again, can't thank y'all enough for making it on

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Speaker 5: this call. We are recording this on Wednesday, literally one

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Speaker 5: hour after you know, the UAW President Sean Fain endorsed

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Speaker 5: President Joe Biden in the twenty twenty four elections. On

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Speaker 5: behalf of the ua W and y'all were there at

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Speaker 5: the event in Washington, d C. Along with other union members,

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Speaker 5: making a statement protesting demonstrating in the midst of this

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Speaker 5: event calling for an immediate cease fire, demanding that the

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Speaker 5: UAW you know, continued to hold President Biden in his

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Speaker 5: administration accountable for their complicity in continuing to support the

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Speaker 5: ongoing genocidal violence in Gaza. I wanted to just ask,

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Speaker 5: since we are lucky enough to have the three of

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Speaker 5: you on here, if we could just go back around

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Speaker 5: the table and have y'all give our viewers and listeners

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Speaker 5: a play by play of what happened today from start

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Speaker 5: to finish yes.

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Speaker 9: So I want to give the broader context first that

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Speaker 9: a group of us within the UAW has formed called

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Speaker 9: Labor for Palestine UAW Labor, UAW Labor for Palestine, and

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Speaker 9: we have been organizing and particularly during this UAW conference,

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Speaker 9: the CAP Conference, around more actions related to pushing our

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Speaker 9: elected officials to support a ceasefire. So the UAW had

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Speaker 9: already passed internal resolutions and we knew that the international

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Speaker 9: Executive Board, including President Sean Fain, supported a cease fire

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Speaker 9: in Palestine, and now it was time for us to

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Speaker 9: really show that. We wanted to make sure that our

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Speaker 9: political endorsements were going to align with that.

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Speaker 10: So that's the context of the broader week.

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Speaker 9: We got about one thousand signatures in the span of

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Speaker 9: from Monday to now so three days from our members

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Speaker 9: seven fifty at this conference, and then many members sent

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Speaker 9: the link to the petition back to their own home

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Speaker 9: units as well, and we got signatures that way and

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Speaker 9: throughout the conference. We have been demonstrating every time that

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Speaker 9: someone has gotten on the stage who doesn't want to

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Speaker 9: talk about the issue, we've erupted in chance of ceasefire.

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Speaker 9: Now we did this with Bernie, we did this quite

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Speaker 9: a bit. We're lobbying on the hill as well to

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Speaker 9: get our elected officials to support a permanent, not just

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Speaker 9: a temporary ceasefire. And we spoke to the International Executive

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Speaker 9: that were going to endorse Joe Biden even though he

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Speaker 9: has still refused to align himself with the uaw's position

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Speaker 9: on a permanent ceasefire, and we felt and the members

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Speaker 9: who signed on to that.

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Speaker 10: Petition felt that that was not okay.

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Speaker 9: That the UAW really need to stick to our values

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Speaker 9: and stick to the statements that we had made and

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Speaker 9: that President Sean Fain had made that we weren't going

666
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Speaker 9: to just hand out endorsements to politicians. They needed to

667
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Speaker 9: get in line on the issues that labor cares about,

668
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Speaker 9: and ceasefire is an issue that labor cares about. So

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Speaker 9: we stood up today because the International Executive Board did

670
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Speaker 9: not listen to us and did not listen to its

671
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 9: membership and went ahead to endorse President Biden.

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Speaker 10: Anyways, we stood up.

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Speaker 9: We had a Palestinian flag that said UAW Labor for Palestine.

674
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Speaker 9: We started to chance ceasefire now while having our fists

675
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Speaker 9: up with a solidarity fist and we were immediately rushed

676
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Speaker 9: by Secrets Service agents who grabbed us at some point,

677
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Speaker 9: anywhere from between half a dozen to a dozen were

678
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Speaker 9: surrounding us.

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Speaker 10: And dragged us out in a line.

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Speaker 9: As we were still holding onto the flag, trying to

681
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Speaker 9: rip the flag out of our hands, they.

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Speaker 10: Knocked two of our members over.

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Speaker 9: They tried to knock me onto the two of them

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Speaker 9: while they were on the floor. You can see that

685
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Speaker 9: in the video with me trying to like push back

686
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Speaker 9: against the person who was holding me and who was

687
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Speaker 9: trying to push me onto the other two that are

688
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Speaker 9: sitting here next to me, and we were ultimately dragged

689
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Speaker 9: out of the conference hall and removed from the floor

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Speaker 9: that it was happening on the in the conference hotel.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, that was a pretty good summary of everything that happened.

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Speaker 10: There's not much to add on.

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Speaker 6: Though, I will say you will probably see like maybe

694
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Speaker 6: different statements about how other UAW members chanted.

695
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Speaker 9: Over us while we were chanting.

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Speaker 6: And I definitely think we've talked to a lot of

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Speaker 6: people actually at this conference over the last few days

698
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Speaker 6: who have come up to us and have been supportive

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Speaker 6: on a personal level, but when it comes to this,

700
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Speaker 6: they seem not ready to publicly come out in support

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Speaker 6: in the way that we did today, and I think

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Speaker 6: a lot of it has to do I'm sure we'll

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Speaker 6: get into this later, but I think a lot.

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Speaker 10: Of it has to do with fear.

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Speaker 6: Like our politics these days are all about fear. The

706
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Speaker 6: Republican Party runs on fear, the Democratic Party runs on fear,

707
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Speaker 6: and there's a big there's a lot of talk within

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Speaker 6: the UAW about fear of losing their jobs, fear of

709
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Speaker 6: what's coming next, and so I think this is a

710
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Speaker 6: reflection of that. But I am extremely disappointed, especially since

711
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 6: it's coming off of multiple speeches by President Sean Fain

712
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 6: that seem to say the exact opposite of what happened

713
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Speaker 6: today and what President Biden was saying today, And if

714
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Speaker 6: I'm being quite frank, very disappointing considering this morning, Rashida

715
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Speaker 6: Tulib came and spoke with us as well and spoke

716
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Speaker 6: to our membership about what it meant to her.

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Speaker 10: So that's all I had to add on that.

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Speaker 17: Anyway, I think it's it's hard because being here, we

719
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 17: just walk around with the Kafia and people come up

720
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Speaker 17: to us and say like, thank you for doing this.

721
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 17: Like so many people here are behind the ceasefire demand.

722
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Speaker 17: It's like it's it's a really warm, amazing atmosphere and

723
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 17: people are like fired up about this, and I think,

724
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Speaker 17: you know, it's true, there's a kind of UAW members

725
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:50,320
Speaker 17: are known for being fearless, but there's a there's in moments,

726
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Speaker 17: a culture of fear that we haven't gotten rid of yet.

727
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Speaker 17: And so I think, I mean, I don't want to

728
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Speaker 17: speak for all three of us, you guys can chime in,

729
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Speaker 17: but I think that we're trying to show the that

730
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Speaker 17: you don't need to be afraid to send up to

731
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Speaker 17: power and kind of present another positive option, a positive

732
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Speaker 17: vision that isn't rooted in just like being afraid of

733
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Speaker 17: consequences and letting that determine everything. Of course you have

734
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Speaker 17: to make a political calculus, but it doesn't have to

735
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Speaker 17: be rooted only in fear. It can also be rooted

736
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Speaker 17: in a promise of a better world. And that's what

737
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Speaker 17: we're really to create.

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Speaker 5: Yes, right, I mean, you know, as as we mentioned

739
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Speaker 5: in the introduction to this segment, I mean, at the

740
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Speaker 5: time that the United Auto Workers formally signed onto the

741
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Speaker 5: call for a ceasefire in Palestine, they were the largest

742
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Speaker 5: union to do so, only replaced this week by the

743
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Speaker 5: Service International Employees Union SEIU Service Employees International Union, who

744
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Speaker 5: have also put out a call for a permanent ceasefire.

745
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Speaker 5: And as y'all mentioned, like Sean Fain himself, you know,

746
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Speaker 5: has been you know, really at the forefront of the

747
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Speaker 5: labor movement speaking out against the violence in Gaza, the

748
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Speaker 5: US support of it, And yeah, how could it not

749
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 5: undercut that message to then kind of turn around and

750
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Speaker 5: endorse Joe Biden, the self proclaimed zionist President of the

751
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 5: United States of America, who has shown no signs really

752
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Speaker 5: at all of ending the US the continual US support

753
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Speaker 5: for the very genocidal violence that the union was calling

754
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Speaker 5: to end. So I wanted to sort of ask about that,

755
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Speaker 5: right because I think one question folks will have, and

756
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Speaker 5: especially given the fact that the United Auto Workers is

757
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Speaker 5: not only you know, representing workers in the auto industry,

758
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Speaker 5: but as you three are are living proof of UAW

759
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,760
Speaker 5: has expanded to a number of other industries, including higher education,

760
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Speaker 5: where it has a strong foothold and a number of

761
00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 5: universities around the country, and that's an important part of

762
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 5: the union's membership as well. And I can admit vision

763
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 5: folks watching this and trying to sort of pit that

764
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Speaker 5: side of the UAW against you know, the traditional blue

765
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Speaker 5: collar you know, roughneck sort of industrial workers side in

766
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Speaker 5: the auto manufacturing side of the union. So I wanted

767
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Speaker 5: to ask if you could comment on that, if the

768
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Speaker 5: folks who signed the petition who have been coming up

769
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Speaker 5: to you represent the other sides of the UAW, and

770
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Speaker 5: if you wanted to mention that for viewers and listeners,

771
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Speaker 5: and also if we could just go back around the

772
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Speaker 5: table one more time and sort of, yeah, talk about

773
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Speaker 5: why this was so important to you all as union members,

774
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Speaker 5: as workers, and what your message is to folks out

775
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 5: there who are in a union or you know, who

776
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 5: are not, about why they should get involved in this

777
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 5: fight and what they can do to push for a

778
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Speaker 5: cease fire and to end this madness in Gaza.

779
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Speaker 9: Well, I think my answer will hopefully respond to both

780
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Speaker 9: of your questions. I think to start off, we want

781
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Speaker 9: to really fundamentally reject the idea that this is some

782
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Speaker 9: sort of higher ed workers versus blue collar workers or

783
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Speaker 9: versus auto workers.

784
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Speaker 10: Type of dynamic.

785
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Speaker 9: The people that have that are at this conference and

786
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Speaker 9: that have been coming up to us and supporting US

787
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Speaker 9: have covered all the industries that the UAW represents, including

788
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Speaker 9: people who are on the assembly lines for defense companies

789
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 9: and are making some of the weaponry that the US

790
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Speaker 9: is sending to Palestine currently or to Israel actually.

791
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Speaker 5: To sending to Israel to use.

792
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Speaker 16: Only those workers are extremely interested and have been talking

793
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Speaker 16: to us about ways that we can figure out a

794
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Speaker 16: just transition for the defense industry in this country so

795
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Speaker 16: that we can keep those good union jobs but stop

796
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Speaker 16: using the US defense industry as a way to oppress and.

797
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Speaker 9: Call and ize other countries or in this case, to

798
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 9: help another country colonize another country. So I want to

799
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Speaker 9: say that it's all parts of the UAW membership that

800
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 9: are on board with this, and this is not a higher.

801
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,239
Speaker 10: Ed only issue. I'd also say that.

802
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Speaker 9: A big part of why this is a labor issue

803
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Speaker 9: is not just because of international solidarity. We've had calls

804
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Speaker 9: from trade unionists in Palestine to stand up in solidarity

805
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Speaker 9: with them, and I think people have heard that, but

806
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:33,360
Speaker 9: also because here in the US, workers, not just US,

807
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 9: other industries as well, have been facing a lot of

808
00:44:37,080 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 9: pushback from their employers when.

809
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 10: They try to speak out.

810
00:44:41,719 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 9: Even the most sort of mild level of support of Palestine,

811
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Speaker 9: any even vaguely anti Israel statement is being used by

812
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Speaker 9: employers at this point to suspend people, to fire people

813
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Speaker 9: in various ways, not just at our campuses where we're employed,

814
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Speaker 9: but in different industries as well.

815
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Speaker 10: And so I think that part of.

816
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Speaker 9: That fear, as my comrades were saying, is what is

817
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 9: motivating people to really be concerned about voicing the support

818
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 9: that they've privately shared with us out into the world.

819
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Speaker 9: I'd also want to name respectability politics as one of

820
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 9: the things that maybe had contributed to people shouting uawuaw

821
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Speaker 9: in response to our calls for ceaspire now, because every

822
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Speaker 9: other time we did it at this conference, people were

823
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Speaker 9: in extreme amounts of support and we're coming up and

824
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Speaker 9: congratulating us afterwards. But after this particular instance, we had

825
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:42,480
Speaker 9: the uawaw chance and then we had people coming up

826
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Speaker 9: and say, did you know you just.

827
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Speaker 10: Disrupted the president? Did you just know that you disrespected

828
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Speaker 10: the president?

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Speaker 9: I think this idea, even though we live in a democracy,

830
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Speaker 9: even though we have free speech, some people still hold

831
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Speaker 9: onto this idea of treating our politicians like they're almost

832
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 9: like royalty, that we have to show this particular amount

833
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 9: of deference to and we're rejecting that.

834
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Speaker 10: We're saying the UAW has power.

835
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Speaker 9: Right, Joe Biden would not have come to the UAW

836
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Speaker 9: looking for an endorsement if workers did not have power

837
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Speaker 9: in this country. We do not need to cow down

838
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Speaker 9: in fear. We need to stand up together and show

839
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Speaker 9: that workers across this country support a free Palestine and

840
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 9: support a permanent ceasefire. Right.

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Speaker 6: I definitely agree with everything that China has just said.

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Speaker 6: And just to add on to that, because I know

843
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Speaker 6: you also asked about like what can we do a

844
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Speaker 6: lot of these conversations that we've been having actually all

845
00:46:41,719 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 6: boiled down to.

846
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Speaker 10: Just awareness and education.

847
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Speaker 6: Like a lot of the conversations I've been having people

848
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 6: they don't know all the information maybe that we know

849
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Speaker 6: about what's happening in Palestine or even the history of

850
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 6: the conflict, and so a lot of the conversations that

851
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 6: we've been having have just been going over some of

852
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Speaker 6: that basic information. And every single person I've talked to

853
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Speaker 6: once i've done that, like go, wow, I didn't realize

854
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Speaker 6: I didn't know. And so I think when it comes

855
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Speaker 6: to other unionists trying to do similar kinds of movements

856
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 6: in their unions getting their unions to caller seas fire.

857
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Speaker 6: I think people really have to spend a good amount

858
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Speaker 6: of time on speaking with their fellow union members and

859
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Speaker 6: educating them on the truth because the only thing that

860
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Speaker 6: they get to see is what American media shows them,

861
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Speaker 6: and as we all know at this current time, it's

862
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 6: full of propaganda and lies and they've never even.

863
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Speaker 9: Heard the other side of the story.

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Speaker 6: So I think that's going to be really important for

865
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Speaker 6: us even moving forward, that educational aspect of it, because

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Speaker 6: I think once people realize what's actually going on, that's

867
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Speaker 6: when they really start standing behind us. Like there were

868
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Speaker 6: people I talked to over multiple days who on this

869
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Speaker 6: last day came up and said, hey, we just signed

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Speaker 6: I just signed your petition. And just to clarify, the

871
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 6: petition that we have specifically is asking for uaw CAP

872
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Speaker 6: to not endorse or fund candidates.

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Speaker 10: Who have not called for a ceasefire.

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Speaker 6: So while what we saw there was like people chanting

875
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Speaker 6: over us in the background, we are still actively working

876
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Speaker 6: to make some kind of essentially BDS happen within our union.

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Speaker 10: Yeah.

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Speaker 17: I think that was all great, and I guess I

879
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 17: want to add, like anybody who came here to this

880
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 17: conference will know that there is no division in UAW

881
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Speaker 17: between the different industries. This is such a space of

882
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 17: warmth and solidarity, and people know what our views are

883
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Speaker 17: because we've been walking around with the Kafias the entire time.

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Speaker 17: We all have ceasefire badges on our stickers. We gave

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Speaker 17: out stickers. People are wearing these all over the place,

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Speaker 17: by the way, like all people are just it's like

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Speaker 17: you just walk around and you hit five people with

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00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 17: a ceasefire sticker. It's everywhere, right, And we've been chanting,

889
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 17: getting up in speeches like there are a million opportunities

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Speaker 17: and people people know.

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00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:14,799
Speaker 10: That we're in higher D too.

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Speaker 17: There are a million opportunities for people to you know,

893
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Speaker 17: say something untoured about us or to us. Doesn't happen.

894
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Speaker 17: We're only getting thank you, thank you for doing that,

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Speaker 17: Like how can I be part of it? We handed

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Speaker 17: out flyers. We literally ran out like three or four

897
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Speaker 17: times of people asking for links to the petition or

898
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,879
Speaker 17: our website. Joined the movement like this is a big

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00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 17: grassroots movement and people here interested and excited about it.

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00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 17: The only thing is you know, convincing people to move

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00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 17: past this initial anxiety that they're still working through of

902
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 17: like what can I do when I'm in a room

903
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,280
Speaker 17: with the President of the United States and he stands

904
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Speaker 17: for something different. You know, we have to show people

905
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Speaker 17: know it's safe to do this. You can you can

906
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Speaker 17: take action to fulfill your vision for a better world.

907
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 17: But they share that vision. And I really I see

908
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 17: our movement growing every single day. The fact that we

909
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 17: need to get like nearly a thousand signatures in the

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Speaker 17: space of a couple days. When we're like all sleep

911
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,759
Speaker 17: deprived and barely coherent and we're writing a petition, that's like,

912
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Speaker 17: that's incredible. That's a sign of people being like fired up.

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Speaker 17: And I know there's gonna be some some change in

914
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Speaker 17: UAW as long as the leadership follows through their values

915
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Speaker 17: and listens to their members.

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Speaker 10: Right.

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Speaker 6: If I could add on really like likely to that,

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Speaker 6: even because we've been chanting actually for the entire conference,

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Speaker 6: even right before President Biden came out, people knew we

920
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 6: were gonna, like our members now, we were gonna everybody knew. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: we had, like I want to say, at least like

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Speaker 6: seven different people approach us before to like thank us,

923
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Speaker 6: offer us support.

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00:50:57,120 --> 00:50:59,360
Speaker 9: They knew they were like, if you get arrested.

925
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:03,360
Speaker 10: We're here for you. Like that all happened right before.

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Speaker 6: So even though like it may seem like we have

927
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,720
Speaker 6: a division, I really don't think.

928
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:10,160
Speaker 10: I don't forceive it that way.

929
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:11,840
Speaker 9: We're holding up the solidarity fist.

930
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 10: I don't know.

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Speaker 17: It was hard to say, but because it got blocked

932
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:16,479
Speaker 17: by secrets, we were we.

933
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 10: Were not alone.

934
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,839
Speaker 6: There was solidarity in the room, even if it was

935
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Speaker 6: difficult to hear.

936
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Speaker 17: If table was full of people from other industries, it

937
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 17: was like, I'm gonna say, like seventy five twenty five

938
00:51:26,760 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 17: percent of like these more conventional like factory type jobs,

939
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 17: manufacturing jobs, and then the higher red books were all

940
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Speaker 17: sitting at the same table.

941
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Speaker 10: It's like they took a pic they asked for before

942
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 10: because they knew.

943
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Speaker 17: That there would happens, Like we're all on the same

944
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Speaker 17: team here.

945
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 9: Yeah, everyone offering, can we call a lawyer for you?

946
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 9: Can we do anything?

947
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:46,840
Speaker 10: Yeah?

948
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:48,800
Speaker 9: Like are you concerned about getting a wrestler? You concerned

949
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 9: about anything?

950
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 6: Happened and we raise funds like jail buds, Like people

951
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 6: were expecting us to do this because we've done it.

952
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:59,839
Speaker 9: I mean, we started chanting ceasefire out in the middle

953
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Speaker 9: of one of Sean Fein's speech and.

954
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Speaker 6: He's smiled, and I have it on my Twitter and on.

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Speaker 10: The e UAW Twitter.

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00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 12: Yeah.

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Speaker 9: Actually, so like people knew and they were happy for us,

958
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Speaker 9: and they were supportive going into it, and I really

959
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Speaker 9: just do want to highlight that I don't think that

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Speaker 9: there is division between higher ed and the rest of

961
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:18,719
Speaker 9: the UAW industries.

962
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Speaker 6: What we did was in the very spirit of the

963
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Speaker 6: UAW and in the spirit of unionists in generals.

964
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Speaker 9: Yes, that's right, and we'll be doing it again until

965
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 9: President Biden calls for a season. That's correct, that's right,

966
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Speaker 9: Free palacetine, free palacetime.

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Speaker 10: Hell yeah.

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Speaker 5: So that was Shahina's Ganeid, Nikki Thomas, and Johanna King Slutsky,

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Speaker 5: three union members and organizers with UAW Local twenty seven

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Speaker 5: to ten. I want to thank our guests again for

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Speaker 5: joining us, and I want to thank you all for

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Speaker 5: watching this segment with breaking points, and be sure to

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Speaker 5: subscribe to my news outlet, the Real News Network with

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Speaker 5: links in the description of this video. See you soon

975
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Speaker 5: for the next edition of the Art of Class War.

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Speaker 5: Take care of yourselves, take care of each other. Solidarity Forever.