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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys football clubs. Are you ready for

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Speaker 1: a break? Yes? Are you ready for a break? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Ready for a break? Yeah, and so much for that.

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Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Were with Nick Eatman, David Hellman, and bar Garcia and

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Speaker 1: Derek Eagleton. It is Monday, August fifth, twenty nineteen, Season fifteen,

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Speaker 1: episode number twenty. Welcome to another edition of The Break.

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Speaker 1: We're life on Hottar, California right Sunday morning, Monday morning,

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Speaker 1: and the Cowboys have the day off. They will be

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Speaker 1: chilling the day. They'll be back at practice tomorrow tomorrow

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Speaker 1: at three thirty their normal time. They got a week

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Speaker 1: of practice Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday this week, and then on

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Speaker 1: Friday they head off for their first preseason game against

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Speaker 1: the San Francisco forty nine ers. Before that, though, yesterday,

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Speaker 1: they had their Blue White scrimmage. Some interesting moments from

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Speaker 1: We'll also talk a little bit about some injuries. There's

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get into the defensive backs, which I believe

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Speaker 1: has been the best unit so far out here at

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Speaker 1: those two positions are as far as positions and starters

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Speaker 1: and in depth. How's everybody feeling this morning? I feel great. Great,

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Speaker 1: It's Monday, and we don't really have to work as

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Speaker 1: hard as we usually do, and that's an awesome way

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Speaker 1: to start the week. And mind, you feel great because

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Speaker 1: of SODA's soda? Like, have you like energized? Soda has

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Speaker 1: what soda is, it's a weight loss program that you guys,

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Speaker 1: don't need it first, but say I'm working out more.

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Speaker 1: So when you worked out more, it's a muscle. So

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Speaker 1: you got a gain weight when you hit. When you

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Speaker 1: I felt a bud for Cody Wickman. What kind of

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Speaker 1: calf injury? And you know what that feels like? You

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Speaker 1: said something the doctor said, are meaning the Some of

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Speaker 1: who don't know Nick, Well, I'm sure he's treatment. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the blanket coverage. I have one question for you guys today.

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Speaker 1: to see. But really, if you want me to be honest,

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Speaker 1: my number one impression from yesterday is kicker a problem.

422
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's what I was gonna talk about,

423
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Speaker 1: Kicker a problem because that is a big problem. Two

424
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 1: minute drill Cowboys offense is down nineteen to seventeen. There's

425
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 1: like a minute and change. Dak guides him down the field.

426
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 1: It wasn't beautiful, but you know, throws it to Witton,

427
00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,120
Speaker 1: he gets it to gallop on the other sideline, beautiful

428
00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,920
Speaker 1: little slant to Randall Cobb who takes it. Probably would

429
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,560
Speaker 1: have been a touchdown in a real game, but in

430
00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,600
Speaker 1: this environment, he's down to it like the two. And

431
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,959
Speaker 1: Brett Maher comes on for the game winning thirty two

432
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 1: yard field goal with three seconds left and shanks it

433
00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 1: way left. And not only that, but it was like

434
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: a low kick. It was just ugly. And uh, you know,

435
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,040
Speaker 1: I'm I'm worried about the kicker position, if I'm being

436
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:21,240
Speaker 1: honest with you, because it's a trend now it's and

437
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: he's he's missed kicks. He's had one perfect day Saturday,

438
00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: he went nine for nine. That was great, But every

439
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:30,480
Speaker 1: other day he's missed at least one. And as we've

440
00:21:30,520 --> 00:21:33,400
Speaker 1: seen with Brett Maher, it's not the forty eight yard

441
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,680
Speaker 1: or that he's missing out here, it's the thirty three,

442
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:38,920
Speaker 1: thirty five forty yard kicks like the guineas right. But

443
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: when you say when you say it's a trend. In

444
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: my opinion, that was a trend last year. It was,

445
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: which was why it was so shocked. It's not any

446
00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: better here. And that's my point. That's why it's somewhat

447
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,560
Speaker 1: shocking to me that they have they didn't bring in

448
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,879
Speaker 1: more competition for him this year during training camp than

449
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 1: a guy that, let's be honest, is not gonna displace him. Yeah,

450
00:21:57,440 --> 00:21:59,440
Speaker 1: And that that to me is the part that's really

451
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Speaker 1: really you know, I've always defended the kicker because of

452
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 1: other reasonings I don't know, But then yesterday, after getting

453
00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:11,280
Speaker 1: a little taste of what is to come, I'm like, no, no, no,

454
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't want any of that this year. I don't

455
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,720
Speaker 1: want to deal with that stress again, and especially in

456
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Speaker 1: the day that matter. I mean, yesterday was the closest

457
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:24,840
Speaker 1: to like a real game, you know scenario, and yeah,

458
00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:29,080
Speaker 1: he aft it up, put it bluntly as you do,

459
00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 1: heft it up. And that's not good, that's not and

460
00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 1: that when you talk about bringing in competition, it's mind

461
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:40,600
Speaker 1: blowing that they haven't really Like how why well, I

462
00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,440
Speaker 1: will say that. Let me say that that I think

463
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:47,920
Speaker 1: most kickers understand. You should understand that you are this

464
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,640
Speaker 1: is a competition. They don't need to see the guy

465
00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 1: next to you to know that there's somebody better than that.

466
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Speaker 1: He doesn't have to get that. I understand what you're saying,

467
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 1: but I would imagine the scouts over here have this list.

468
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,360
Speaker 1: They know, Okay, this guy now, he's not out here kicking,

469
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: and he probably needs to be because that would be

470
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: better for both of them, right That would be My

471
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:13,280
Speaker 1: thought is more just to show him here's who you're

472
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Speaker 1: competing against and create competition, because they do it at

473
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Speaker 1: every other position on he knows, and I heard Will

474
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: It Do an interview earlier this week where he was

475
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:20,840
Speaker 1: talking about he was like, our goal is to get

476
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 1: as many good guys at every position as we can

477
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 1: because it ups the value of the competition. Not only

478
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,000
Speaker 1: are the younger guys competing against each other, they're pushing

479
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: the older guys. And so in this instance, it's just

480
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,639
Speaker 1: having that guy beside because this guy deside here right

481
00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 1: now is not pushing him. I think Nick is right,

482
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: like Brett Maher, he's been a professional kicker for a

483
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 1: long time because I remember he was in the CFL

484
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,600
Speaker 1: for four or five years. He understands, like you're not

485
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 1: gonna last long in any league missing thirty two yards. True,

486
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 1: but it's very different than knowing that versus actually having

487
00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: someone standing right next to you that's about to kick

488
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,919
Speaker 1: right after you. Yea. So the pressure of I like, honestly,

489
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Speaker 1: I like putting kickers in pressure situations because that's what

490
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,680
Speaker 1: their whole job is, it's pressure. So the more you

491
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: can put them in pressure situations and they learn how

492
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: to kick through pressure, the better they're going to be.

493
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: It's something to keep an eye on. I bet you

494
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: Casey Redfern's not going to kick much in these preseason games.

495
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: And if if it's a shaky if it's a shaky

496
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: set of games, then then we'll see what happens. Yeah,

497
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: and you remember Brett Maher has been on that list,

498
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:26,040
Speaker 1: the list of here's ten guys available. I'm sure Maha

499
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: has been on there two or three years ago as

500
00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: a guy he's in the CFL. He's kicking up there.

501
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: And you know, yeah, Edmonton, I don't remember. I want

502
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: to Winnipeg Blue Bombers may know. Kick up there. You're

503
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: probably pretty good. But you're right about it's the extra points,

504
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: it's the thirty five yarders. It's the forty one yard ers.

505
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 1: It's the ones, you know, fifty nine yards. Yeah, he

506
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:49,240
Speaker 1: can make it into the net, and that's great, and

507
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,280
Speaker 1: it'll be in the media guide as the all time

508
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,400
Speaker 1: sixty two yard field goal. That's great. But it's if

509
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: it's set nineteen to seventeen and he missed a kick

510
00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:00,479
Speaker 1: like that from the two. I mean yeah, I mean

511
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 1: thirty two yard field goal, that's yeah, that's not good. Yeah. Uh.

512
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: Somebody on Twitter. I was tweeting about this yesterday and

513
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 1: somebody responded to me and said the Maharati doesn't go

514
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: below fifty and I laughed really hard. It was really good.

515
00:25:15,880 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: Whoever sent me that that was inspired? That's extra way

516
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,760
Speaker 1: to go. All right, let's sorry. That's actually like a

517
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Speaker 1: twenty one yard or isn't it if it was from

518
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 1: the two yard line? Five? Well, extra points? Oh, because

519
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: extra points are pushed back. You're right, I'm sorry. So

520
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: what yard line? If it was from the two, he

521
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: was probably it was a thirty two yard kick, so

522
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:40,480
Speaker 1: what's that twenty two minus? So it was from the

523
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Speaker 1: fifteen yard line. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Observation, yes, give

524
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Speaker 1: me your observation. Okay, thank you. You know, I don't

525
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: feel good what they're doing at the red zone. Uh.

526
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Speaker 1: I was expecting to see things better, and when I

527
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,320
Speaker 1: see the competition like there, there are times I feel

528
00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:02,159
Speaker 1: good about the balance that is being created between the

529
00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: offense and the defense. I feel that although the defense

530
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: has been able to step it up a little more

531
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: than the offense, it's kind of pretty well balanced, which

532
00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:15,920
Speaker 1: is essentially what you're looking for when you're competing out

533
00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: here at training camp. But when they came down to

534
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: the red zone, the things that they were doing, I

535
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:25,679
Speaker 1: mean to me that I don't see that much improvement

536
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 1: or anything that better than what we saw last year.

537
00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 1: I don't know from you guys perspective, but what they

538
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 1: were doing yesterday did not excite me at all. Was

539
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:39,320
Speaker 1: it the first play of red zone when they hit

540
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,080
Speaker 1: when he hit Tony in the end zone? Was that

541
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 1: the first play? I know it was in the first

542
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: period of red zone that they did. Definitely he hit him.

543
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,160
Speaker 1: He hit Witten for a touchdown in the red zone.

544
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Okay, yeah, yeah, there were a couple of plays,

545
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 1: but for the most part, it wasn't that good. He

546
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: kept missing and then um not just not just stack

547
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: even the backup guys too. It's like they're having time

548
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: to scramble and run around and not finding any guy.

549
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: I mean, shout out to the defense, we're doing a

550
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,720
Speaker 1: great job for covering. But when he came down to it,

551
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: it just wasn't enough to meet in the red zone area.

552
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: I actually asked Dak about that yesterday because he talked

553
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: to us and I'm I was like, you know, here

554
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: a training camp, you want to beat the defense, but

555
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,160
Speaker 1: like you could, it's a bad thing if you're beating

556
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 1: them too much, right, Like you want to be able

557
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 1: to count on them. You want them to help you

558
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 1: during the season. So how do you kind of balance

559
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: your frustration about not having success with what that might

560
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 1: mean about your defense? And he was like, yeah, it's

561
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,040
Speaker 1: you know, it's been a lot of give and take.

562
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 1: I think his direct quote was like, you know, we

563
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 1: haven't come up and we haven't come out and bullied them,

564
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: but they damn sure haven't been bullying us either, which

565
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: I think the defense is. If I had to give

566
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: an edge to one side of the ball so far

567
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: as camp, I would give it to the defense, which

568
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 1: is naturally I think it most camps, the defense usually

569
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 1: starts a little ahead of the offense. But remember we

570
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: have watched many training camps here where it was just

571
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: embarrassing for the defense. Yeah, like they weren't very days,

572
00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: just doing whatever he wants to do, Witten being open

573
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:11,199
Speaker 1: all the time, all that good stuff. So I mean

574
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,119
Speaker 1: you can say the same for the defensive line. But

575
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: I mean, the red zone is gonna work if you

576
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: can run the football, So nothing, no play action to

577
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: Pollard or anything like that. I mean it's hard. It's

578
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 1: hard to gauge in right now. When Zeke is back there,

579
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: that'll change things. And I'm sure that they say, well,

580
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,879
Speaker 1: Crawford delob will change things as well. But it's not

581
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: even just Zeke. It's Zeke. It's the fact that the

582
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 1: quarterback legitimately can run. The defense has to pay attention

583
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 1: to that. Out here. They don't really work because they

584
00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 1: can't tackle him anyway, right, So that isn't as big

585
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: of a concern, I wouldn't think. And then you didn't

586
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: have Cooper out here. I mean, yeah, Mark Cooper out

587
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: here yesterday. So I think when you think about all

588
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: those things, I'm a little less concerned with what I saw.

589
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: I was actually excited to see the touchdown to Witten,

590
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: because that's one of the things we talked about that

591
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: he could maybe provide for this team was a little

592
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: extra help in the red zone. If they can figure

593
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: that out. I think that does create a little bit

594
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,360
Speaker 1: more of an eye option for you in the red zone.

595
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: But your horses, the guys that are going to really

596
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 1: get you to the end zone, weren't out there yesterday,

597
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 1: not in the way that they'll be out there if

598
00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: they're back and healthy for the regular season. I get it.

599
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, when you start plugging in those guys

600
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: in there, obviously things are completely are going to change completely.

601
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: But I guess I just had more expectations at this point,

602
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: you know, seeing what the things that Kellen Moore has

603
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: been doing with the offense and getting creative and all that.

604
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: I was just excited to see that yesterday. And I

605
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: didn't get what I wanted just yet, So that was

606
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: more of it. You know, I do think I agree

607
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: with you for the record. Is it honestly just across

608
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: the board, the offense like it's it's been a little

609
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: lack luster. They haven't been kicking butt, and again it's

610
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm trying to juggle how I feel about that is like, well,

611
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: is this encouraging for the defense or should I feel

612
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: like the offense doesn't have it together? But I've seen

613
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:59,479
Speaker 1: enough to give me optimism. Like offensively, yeah, yeah, Cedric

614
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: Wilson took a reverse out in from twenty five yards yesterday.

615
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: It was a beautiful little I think Jordan Chunn started

616
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: off with it. I mean the defense was completely clueless.

617
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: It was a really pretty play. And you see things

618
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: like that. You know that the throw from Dak to

619
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: Randall Cobb that set up Maher's miss was gorgeous. So

620
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,200
Speaker 1: there's enough there to have me feeling optimistic, and I'm

621
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: sort of trying to find my way to the middle, like, well,

622
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: maybe they're just really evenly matched. Maybe this is just

623
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: good for both sides. One of the things that stood

624
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: out to me yesterday, my big observation that rides with

625
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: that is a number of defensive turnovers. And that's been,

626
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 1: in my opinion, a theme throughout camp. This defense is

627
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 1: getting a lot of turnovers relatively speaking, interceptions, forced fumbles

628
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: your woods again yesterday, Yeah, And that to me, I

629
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 1: think that's the area where I'm very excited that if

630
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: that can translate for the defense into the season. That

631
00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: would be probably the biggest knock you had on them

632
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Speaker 1: from last year. They were good in a lot of areas,

633
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Speaker 1: getting the ball and giving it back to the offense

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Speaker 1: was not one of them. So if they can get

635
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Speaker 1: that and become more consistently can do that, I think

636
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Speaker 1: it's really a good thing for the team. How has

637
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Speaker 1: it been in the past training camps. I don't remember. Yeah,

638
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Speaker 1: I don't recall a time when I've seen this mik

639
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Speaker 1: turnouts as seen this year. Now, maybe I'm just missing it,

640
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: but it seems like this year, every day there are

641
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: a few, Yeah, there are a few. Every day. It

642
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,200
Speaker 1: seems like their guys are knocking balls out and you

643
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: gotta fumble. There are guys that are intercepting the ball

644
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,120
Speaker 1: like and again, this is all being done and we'll

645
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Speaker 1: talk about that when we get into the secondary. Without

646
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Speaker 1: what I think is their best cornerback. Um, I think

647
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: I think there's something very positive about what's going on

648
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: to human. He doesn't, but maybe he would out here.

649
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,320
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe he would out in this camp because

650
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: they're they're getting their hands on balls and they're actually

651
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Speaker 1: turning it over. So UM, I think it's a really

652
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: good thing for him. Right now, All right, let's um,

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Speaker 1: you know what we're gonna do. We're gonna go ahead

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Speaker 1: before we get to our final segment. We're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: about the defensive backs. We're gonna go ahead and take

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657
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658
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Speaker 1: having the day off today, they would be back in

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712
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Speaker 1: going to talk about defensive backs for this team, And

713
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Speaker 1: as I said in the earlier part of the show,

714
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Speaker 1: I believe this has been the best unit. If you

715
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 1: were going to say who's been for me, who's been

716
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 1: the best unit throughout training camp? I think it's been

717
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: the defensive backs, not only because of what they've done

718
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: with Byron Jones out, but just because every day guys

719
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 1: are making plays. And it's not even just your top

720
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: line guys. You got your top line guys guys making plays,

721
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,160
Speaker 1: you got depth guys making plays. I just think this

722
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: unit has been very, very solid. I want to get

723
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Speaker 1: some opinions from you guys though, from the defensive backstandpoint,

724
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 1: what have you? What's your overall perspective on what you

725
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: think they've been so far going coming into camp, based

726
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Speaker 1: on what you thought of them coming into training camp.

727
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,600
Speaker 1: I honestly, I think we're seeing a lot of the

728
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, every offseason there's like the you know, everything

729
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: is as rosy as it could be, right, Like this

730
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,720
Speaker 1: guy is gonna make the leap and this guy's gonna

731
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: play better and understand more. And every year everybody's supposed

732
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: to get better. But that's sort of what it looks

733
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: like out here with all these dbs, you know, going

734
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,879
Speaker 1: obviously we haven't seen Byron, but like going down the line.

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00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: Xavier woods for my money, is having the best camp

736
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Speaker 1: of anyone. Him and Malie Collins are like on a tear.

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00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: He's got three or four interceptions. He's in the right

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00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: place at the right time. It seems like he's reading

739
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 1: the field. Jeff Heath is doing Jeff Heath things. You know,

740
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: he's got two two of his patented takeaways where it's

741
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 1: just like, well, he was where he was supposed to

742
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: be and the ball popped out and there he goes.

743
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: So they both look fantastic, and then on and on

744
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: down the line. Cheeto Woodsier just looks solid, like he's

745
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: glued to these guys. He looks like he's taken a

746
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,400
Speaker 1: step in the right direction. The young guys to me

747
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: have really impressed. Uh. Mike Jackson, you know, he's the

748
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: Rashard prototype. He's got these long arms. We feel good

749
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 1: about him. He's out here showing it. He's had so

750
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: many plays, especially on like short developing routes like comebacks

751
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:34,919
Speaker 1: and slants where he uses that length to disrupt the play.

752
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,400
Speaker 1: He's picked off two balls that way where he's just

753
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 1: so long that he got in front of the receiver

754
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: before the ball got there. Really impressive stuff. We didn't

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00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: mention him when we were talking about the Blue White scrimmage.

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00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: But Donovan Wilson is another guy, which you know, the

757
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 1: scouts told me when they drafted him, this is a

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00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: dude who needs pads to excel, and it sure as

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00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,800
Speaker 1: heck looks that way. He forced to fumble on Reggie

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00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 1: Davis yesterday. He's just he's a physical guy. He's gotten

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00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 1: in several, um, what would you call him collisions with

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00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: running backs where you know he's just a physical dude.

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Speaker 1: He looks like he brings that to the table. I'm

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Speaker 1: struggling to come up with a dB who hasn't really

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00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: done much to impress me. I guess Chris Westry. He's

766
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,560
Speaker 1: been obviously out for a decent portion of this. But

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Speaker 1: other than that, I think most of these guys look

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Speaker 1: really good. Sorry, I just kind of covered what else

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Speaker 1: can you say? I was laughing because I was like,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Chris Westley is the only guy you

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Speaker 1: haven't mentioned. You know what I like though? Shoot, I

772
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,799
Speaker 1: forgot a maybe had the best single day of any

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Speaker 1: dB just in terms of mad He made six plays

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Speaker 1: in one practice on Saturday. I was gonna say that

775
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:47,360
Speaker 1: of what I really like from this whole group is

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00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: that they don't give up. Even after you think that

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00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 1: the plays over, they just keep going, you know. And

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00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: usually when you get to this point of training camp

779
00:37:56,719 --> 00:38:00,399
Speaker 1: sometimes and you feel like you didn't play that play well,

780
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 1: you just stop and just like ah, put your head

781
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: down and keep walking off. These guys don't do that.

782
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 1: They just keep going. And how could they not, like

783
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: when you got Chris Rashard out there yelling at you.

784
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: So I love that that this whole group is just

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00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: it just goes for it and keeps going. Even if

786
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: they messed up, they just keep going. So here's a

787
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 1: question for you, Nick. If Byron Jones were to miss games,

788
00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: what's your comfort level with the guys that are playing

789
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: right now? One games, let's say two or three games.

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00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: Doesn't sound like the Giants have anybody that receiver. Um,

791
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 1: if that's a game that he's gonna miss, I mean

792
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 1: not saying that he is again just yeah, um, you know,

793
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: not not great because again and through all the stuff

794
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 1: that Dave said, and Dave and he's going off of

795
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: what you see over here, which is all you can do.

796
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: I've just seen too many games in the preseason. We're

797
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: gonna get to the game, and I just have this

798
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: feeling that in the fourth quarter we're gonna have about

799
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: four pass interference penalties or you know, give up some

800
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 1: I mean, that's been an issue for this team. And

801
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 1: so you think, wow, Almba's doing great, and Anthony Brown

802
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: has done a good job, and Mike Jackson and then

803
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:09,759
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get to a game and we're

804
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: gonna be like, wow, some guy number their number number

805
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: eleven for them. Johnson whoever, you know it just had

806
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: two catches for eighty five yards and a touchdown, and

807
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: you're like, well, now we're back to the drawing board again.

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00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: The other thing, too, is you see so much more

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00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 1: in practice, Like you know, they did red zone one

810
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: on ones right here, and every single receiver and every

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00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,359
Speaker 1: single dB got at least four reps, if not five

812
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: or six. So you know, like, oh, well, Jordan Lewis

813
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: gave up a touchdown right there, but then he bounces

814
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 1: back and breaks one up, you know, and you're so

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00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,399
Speaker 1: you're left with a favorable impression, whereas in the game

816
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: that ain't. It ain't the same thing. If you give

817
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: up the play or you might only get really one

818
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: opportunity to make the play and if you don't do it,

819
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 1: then sorry, that's it. So it's easier to make a

820
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 1: favorable impression when you get fifteen opportunities per per practice.

821
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:00,320
Speaker 1: So I know it's not going to be as as

822
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 1: it looks out here, but again, all you can go

823
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: off of is what you've seen, and they all look

824
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,919
Speaker 1: pretty damn good. I didn't even mention Jordan or Anthony Brown,

825
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,319
Speaker 1: and they've both been solid out here too. Yeah, let

826
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: me ask you that question. And then since you bring

827
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: up Anthony Brown, who's been the best of the of

828
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Speaker 1: those guys, Cheeto, Anthony Brown, Jordan Lewis has been the

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Speaker 1: best those three, probably, I would say probably Cheeto has

830
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 1: been the best. Again, we don't, you know, I'm not

831
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: great enough a curve. I think he's the best. Jordan

832
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: has been a guy that's maybe he's surprised people the most.

833
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,320
Speaker 1: But I think Jordan i mean, I think he's everywhere.

834
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Speaker 1: He's all over the field. Everywhere you look, you see

835
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Speaker 1: twenty seven pop up. Yeah, I would agree with that. Um,

836
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Speaker 1: I think Cheeto, Yeah, Cheeto might be the best. But

837
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Speaker 1: I would also say Cheeto gets his hands on the

838
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 1: least amount of footballs, which is first of all, that's

839
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: what pops off at you when you're when you're watching,

840
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: And that's also you know, it's how you make Pro

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842
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 1: and stuff like that too. Anthony Brown. I don't know

843
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: if he'll ever go to a Pro Bowl or ever

844
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 1: be like in the upper echelon of NFL corners, but

845
00:41:06,920 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: like he's just gonna play for a while and just

846
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 1: have a really nice career. Like he doesn't get enough

847
00:41:12,520 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: credit for being a pretty good football player. Ye have

848
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,600
Speaker 1: opinion on that one? Best of those three, I mean,

849
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: it's not much different than that. I think the most

850
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: solid one has been a Cheeto out of the whole group.

851
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: And my guy I love um Jordan Lewis. And like

852
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 1: I said, every time I look, he's he's everywhere. I'm like,

853
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 1: what is happening? How can he keep popping out of everywhere?

854
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis to me, is like, uh, Dorn's armstrong and

855
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: that okay, Like he's he's covering you know these guys

856
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:49,399
Speaker 1: pretty well. He's covering Reggie Davis, well, he's covering John

857
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,800
Speaker 1: Vay Johnson well, like he needs to go up against

858
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 1: a Mari, go up against Cobb and yeah, and gallop

859
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: and and nothing. He doesn't. I think he gets to

860
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: face some of that. But but I think that where

861
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: that's we're in the same with Dorn's armstrong. Like you know,

862
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,439
Speaker 1: when he did that against Tyran, It's like, Okay, now

863
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: he's really making a jumper. I'll tell you this, I

864
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,680
Speaker 1: don't want Byron to miss games, and I won't feel

865
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: good about it if he does. But the first three

866
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: weeks of opponents, you couldn't ask for a more favorable

867
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 1: matchup with wide receivers. I mean, Sterling Shepherd's a good player. Um,

868
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: DeVante Parker. It's Giants Washington and Dolphins DeVante Parkers all right,

869
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: when he's healthy. The Redskins have doxin and uh, Paul

870
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: Richardson like a question waterback. Yeah. I just they love

871
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: making us play back to back, same schedule. We had

872
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,399
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago it was Giants at Washington sixteen. Yeah,

873
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: they we They've opened with two straight East opponents like

874
00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: three of the last four years. I don't know why,

875
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 1: but they like doing that. That's the year. How long

876
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: do you see it is? That's the game of the year.

877
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: That one right there, name of the year is like

878
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:04,719
Speaker 1: Nick is obsessed with the week week two, Like are

879
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: you gonna be two and o or one and one?

880
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:10,239
Speaker 1: And that's like and I also believe I wouldn't. I

881
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't I just say that, but I do think that

882
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: that I think the Redskins is that's gonna be a

883
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: game because you're gonna have to be battling with the Eagles.

884
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: What do you do against the red Skins? What do

885
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 1: you do in your division games? Firstly, a road win?

886
00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: You lost that one before that game. I wouldn't say

887
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,439
Speaker 1: that if it was just Miami at home or whatever,

888
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: but this year particularly, I think that is a huge game.

889
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 1: All right, So which of the young guys thinks I

890
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,879
Speaker 1: have a question? But how long do you think it's

891
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: gonna take Barron Jones to get back into like game

892
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: to a shape because if it doesn't practice just walk

893
00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 1: past us. He looks fine. He's okay, he's just a yeah,

894
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: he can walk around. Obviously, he's in pretty good shape.

895
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,319
Speaker 1: He is. He looks good. He's not gonna he's not play.

896
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: It's very different getting in there and playing corn. I

897
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: suspect he'll be practicing by the time the Cowboys get

898
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 1: back to the Star. They'll have two weeks before the

899
00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:04,719
Speaker 1: season begins. That's kind of in my mind when I'm thinking,

900
00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:08,280
Speaker 1: I would hope and expect to see him back in practice,

901
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,800
Speaker 1: give himself two weeks of practice. Again, he probably won't

902
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 1: play any of the other those preseason games, but I

903
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,400
Speaker 1: think he could. He could hopefully start getting in at

904
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: death point and he's ready for Week one. Yeah, that's

905
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: kind of the timetable I'm thinking about for him and take, like,

906
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: as long as they can practice at some point when

907
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: we're back at the Star, then I think it'll give

908
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: him enough time as veterans, actually give him enough time

909
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 1: to be ready to play when Week one starts. They

910
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: don't need a preseason game to be ready to play.

911
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: I tend to agree. Yeah, all right, So, so, which

912
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 1: of the younger guys at cornerback has been more impressive,

913
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 1: Mike Jackson or Donova Donova Alumba. That's a good one. Um.

914
00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 1: I mean Alumba had arguably the best day for any

915
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: single player. I mean he broke up, He broke up

916
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,400
Speaker 1: everything they threw his way on one on ones. He

917
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:58,920
Speaker 1: picked off two passes in the same team period. Jackson's

918
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: just been surprised consistent for a rookie though in my opinion,

919
00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 1: like he kind of you know, and he has one

920
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: or two every days. Say, um, and you know he's

921
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: a draft pick. I know, you know they always say

922
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: it's not about how you got here, But that's a lie,

923
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: it is, um, So I lean. I lean towards Jackson

924
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 1: even though a long I mean that's not a knock

925
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 1: on a LUMBI. I think he's been pretty solid out here.

926
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: In six corners make the team, I don't know they've

927
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 1: done it. That was actually gonna be. My next question

928
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,439
Speaker 1: is how many make it and who are there? Because

929
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:28,839
Speaker 1: again you're not talking about it, guys as we're going

930
00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:31,480
Speaker 1: down this list. It was a pretty decent number of

931
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 1: cornerbacks that are pretty good. Now, if you're gonna go six,

932
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 1: you fuck you kind of got your guys. But if

933
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna go five, you gotta make a pretty interesting decision,

934
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: you know, And you have to make a decision too

935
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: for next year, which I know that sounds weird, but

936
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: you do. But you look at the fact that Byron

937
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: Jones is, you know, this is the last year his deal,

938
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: will see if he gets a new one. I don't

939
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 1: think they're in a real hurry to get anything done there.

940
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:56,399
Speaker 1: You also got the last year for Anthony Brown. Jordan

941
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,399
Speaker 1: Lewis will be in a situation where they could maybe

942
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,800
Speaker 1: do something with him next year. I mean, no, I

943
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 1: think Mike Jackson is going to make this team because

944
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 1: he's on a four year affordable contract. He's making that

945
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 1: as long as he is passable. But I think I

946
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: don't know if you can if you really like a lumba,

947
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if if you can get rid of

948
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 1: that knowing that you might be in a situation next

949
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,520
Speaker 1: year where you need two or three more corners and

950
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: you just let this guy go because he wasn't going

951
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:24,879
Speaker 1: to make an impact on this team, but he could.

952
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: You know, they really they weirded me out last year

953
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 1: because they only kept nine dbs, and I think that's

954
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 1: the first time they've done that in the time that

955
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 1: I've been here that it's you can usually count on ten,

956
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: whether it's six corners and four safeties or five and

957
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 1: five tight end. They've well maybe, but but will they

958
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 1: I mean will they still? Will they go back up

959
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 1: to ten dbs? I mean you got you got depth

960
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: everywhere on the d line. We're talking about seven linebackers.

961
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 1: Will they keep three quarterbacks? I think you're right, but

962
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:56,320
Speaker 1: I'm curious. Mike White hasn't done anything where you have

963
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 1: to keep them. Mike White hadn't done anything where where

964
00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 1: the teams are going to be like, oh, I'm taking him.

965
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: I don't think I think he Do you think Rush

966
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:05,080
Speaker 1: is the guy you keep over Mike White? Yeah, he's

967
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: been better to this point. Yeah, he's been good to

968
00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 1: Rush has come on in the last two or three

969
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:12,160
Speaker 1: days and looked at I don't think anyone at cutdown

970
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: day is gonna be like, oh, I gotta save a

971
00:47:14,000 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: spot here, I'm gonna put Mike White on my team.

972
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 1: I think he's practice squad. I think he makes it

973
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 1: back to your practice squad. Again. That's before four games.

974
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: All it takes is one sixty five yard throw on

975
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: a rope for a touchdown. Devin Smith and here and

976
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,880
Speaker 1: then both of them are Okay, we're back here on

977
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: the break. Devin Smith is your top three receiver. Can't wait,

978
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:35,759
Speaker 1: We're gonna get back from San Francilia. Always everything, because

979
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: I'll ask you guys this question. It's a bigger picture question.

980
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: Do you see a scenario where Byron I shouldn't even

981
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:43,799
Speaker 1: say like that. Do you think it's it's a it's

982
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: going it's likely to happen that Byron Jones gets a

983
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: new deal with this team, knowing that they already have

984
00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: to sign those other three Big three, They got other

985
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: guys like Jalen Smith coming down the pike. Do you

986
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:55,680
Speaker 1: think that this is a situation where if he has

987
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: a great year, he outprices himself to some degree, and

988
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 1: if he has an not so good year, than the

989
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: Cowboys may not necessarily want to do a deal. I

990
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,560
Speaker 1: don't want to do this to my guy, Byron, one

991
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: of the nicest dudes on the team, but he is.

992
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: He is screaming franchise tag to me, like that's what

993
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: I think, and that's why I think I would not

994
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 1: be against it. That's why it's important for them to

995
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: get these other deals done, because you can't be franchising

996
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 1: dak and while while you got Byron to worry about,

997
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:27,319
Speaker 1: I don't want to just let him walk. But I'm

998
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,879
Speaker 1: not convinced. He's obviously the last priority, Like nobody even

999
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: talks about the poor guy, and he's got I mean,

1000
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: he deals up next year, right, yeah, and to his credit,

1001
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:37,799
Speaker 1: Like I mean, he could be doing the same thing.

1002
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,560
Speaker 1: He can be like screw you guys, pay me, and

1003
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 1: he's not. So he's on the fifth year of his

1004
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: deal though, which I mean he's like Amari Cooper. He's

1005
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: making much more than he was in the years prior

1006
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: to that. But I'm not convinced. I want to see

1007
00:48:52,480 --> 00:48:54,120
Speaker 1: him do it again before I give him a long

1008
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: term deal. Plus you know variety, and you know the

1009
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,880
Speaker 1: number of other deals you gotta sign, So me personally,

1010
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,279
Speaker 1: I want to see those other three deals done so

1011
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: that you have the option to franchise him if you

1012
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 1: want to. I would have I would have thought that, um,

1013
00:49:10,840 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 1: if he if he was up this year, I would

1014
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 1: have thought he would have been a better candidate for

1015
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: the franchise tech because he's only done it for like

1016
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: one year. But I think if he does it again

1017
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,800
Speaker 1: this year, I think it's very similar to DeMarcus Lawrence.

1018
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 1: You know, with the one year, I don't know if

1019
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: he's done enough. Let's franchise him. Let's see, and then

1020
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: he performs again, and now you know you gotta sign him.

1021
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 1: So I think if he actually goes out and has

1022
00:49:31,640 --> 00:49:34,839
Speaker 1: a good year or better year, um makes a few

1023
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: more turnovers, still has still is a Pro Bowl level

1024
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 1: type guy, I think I think that's enough to say

1025
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: let's but yeah, you want to sign him. My question

1026
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,320
Speaker 1: more is do you have the funds to sign himcause

1027
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,840
Speaker 1: you've you've gotta sign those three got t How do

1028
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: you know I would bet the amount of money you're

1029
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: gonna sign those three. But then you got Tank that's

1030
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 1: making big money. You got three guys on your offensive

1031
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: line that are making big money. I mean, you got

1032
00:49:57,160 --> 00:49:58,880
Speaker 1: Jalen coming up. I mean, I think they're just so

1033
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 1: many you can only go you know, paying guys like

1034
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,160
Speaker 1: up there in the top five in the league at

1035
00:50:04,200 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: their position, only so many times probably go off the

1036
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: books though, right, yeah, I mean you're going to go ahead.

1037
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if Dyrone Crawford will be

1038
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 1: there for that money. I don't know if what Lyell's

1039
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: situation will be honestly, I think Lyle and Byron are

1040
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: kind of in the same position. I think if they

1041
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 1: have really great years, they might price themselves out of

1042
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: being with the Cowboys. And they have a bad year,

1043
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: then it's kind of like, well, do the Cowboys really

1044
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,200
Speaker 1: want to sign them? Man? I wish when Governor was

1045
00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: on the field, Yeah, McGovern could really answer some questions

1046
00:50:32,600 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: for you. It would have been really good because then

1047
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 1: that that pushes a lot of things around. You got

1048
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 1: now Connor Williams could maybe go out there, and so

1049
00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,800
Speaker 1: it's it's an interesting debate. You know, everything about modern

1050
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: football says you should value the cornerback right and also

1051
00:50:45,800 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: much like running back, like linebacker just seems like a

1052
00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: dying breed. You know, Patrick Willis was amazing for five

1053
00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:56,040
Speaker 1: six years and then all of a sudden he was

1054
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: too beat up to play anymore. Like at your peak,

1055
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: you might get three to five years of elite play

1056
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:03,759
Speaker 1: out of a linebacker. But it's the same thing with

1057
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 1: linebacker from a standpoint too, if you get a special

1058
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: one worth paying, That's where you got to find out

1059
00:51:08,280 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: this year, is Jalen special? Like that? Jalen and Layton

1060
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: both much like much like my guy, Dion Jones, Like,

1061
00:51:14,760 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: I think you're seeing a new breed of linebacker where

1062
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:21,399
Speaker 1: if you can get side to side effortlessly and play

1063
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:24,120
Speaker 1: a role in stopping how offenses are trying to spread

1064
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: you out, you become valuable. Again, You're not you're not

1065
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: plugging gaps the way that like Brian Urlocker used to do.

1066
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: But if you can erase, if you can turn a

1067
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:35,160
Speaker 1: thirty yard gain into a two yard game because you're

1068
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:37,120
Speaker 1: so damn fast to get out to the edge, that's

1069
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,520
Speaker 1: really valuable. We've seen Layton and Jalen do it. And

1070
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: by the way, in the case of Jalen, if you

1071
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,959
Speaker 1: can blitz well, because they're giving him opportunities to blitz.

1072
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 1: If he can blitz well, if he can put up

1073
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: a season where he does what he already does from

1074
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,040
Speaker 1: a standpoint and making the tackles, but then throws in

1075
00:51:50,160 --> 00:51:53,440
Speaker 1: another four to six sacks, now you're really talking about

1076
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: something that can make him a very special linebacker that

1077
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,680
Speaker 1: makes it worthwhile to pay him, Which is why I

1078
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,200
Speaker 1: feel kind of crazy, like if you you know, and

1079
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: we'll have this whole season to watch it play out,

1080
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: But like if I had to pick right now, I

1081
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: think I'd rather keep my powder dry for Jalen Smith

1082
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 1: then try to sign Byron Jones to some sort of

1083
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: eighty million dollars deal. That's the part that makes this

1084
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 1: really really interesting. They've got so many contracts that at

1085
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: some point you have to make some choices, some hard choices.

1086
00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: So are we not We're not buying into any of

1087
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: the kind of reports that are floating around that, you know,

1088
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: I said. Charles Robinson from Yahoo, who typically has pretty

1089
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 1: good information, was saying, not saying it will happen, but

1090
00:52:32,160 --> 00:52:36,120
Speaker 1: a worst case scenario would be you signed Cooper, you

1091
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: let Zeke figure himself out and franchise Dak. If you

1092
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:42,439
Speaker 1: don't get something done by the start of this season, yeah,

1093
00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean you certainly hold in the franchise tech. I

1094
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: think for Dak if you don't get a deal done,

1095
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,399
Speaker 1: because that's the one to me to make the most sense,

1096
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: because Dak is a guy still want to see a

1097
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,359
Speaker 1: little more before I know kind of what I'm willing

1098
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: to pay him. I'm even of the opinion like, let

1099
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 1: him play this season. I don't think the number changes

1100
00:52:59,040 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: drastically even if he had a really great year. I

1101
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,919
Speaker 1: don't I think the number is gonna be the number

1102
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 1: and but I think you can even put him on

1103
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: a franchise tag, and I'd even be willing to pay

1104
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 1: him the franchise and number four a quarterback for a year.

1105
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 1: But the point is that's the guy that you probably

1106
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:15,879
Speaker 1: have more questions about than a Mario or Zeke. Well,

1107
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:17,680
Speaker 1: so that's what you really want to hold that tag,

1108
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: I would think, which is why I'd rather get it

1109
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: done so I can use the tag on somebody else

1110
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,800
Speaker 1: because I want to start the clock ticking, and you

1111
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 1: want to start ticking on Zeke, which is fair, but

1112
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: I want to start a ticking on Dak so in

1113
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: a worst case scenario, you can get out of that

1114
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:34,200
Speaker 1: situation sooner rather than later. All right, let's go ahead

1115
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 1: and flip over to the safety position. We got have

1116
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: five minutes left. I want to hit this real quick.

1117
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,800
Speaker 1: Are you guys more comfortable with safety now than you

1118
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,960
Speaker 1: were at this time last year? Yeah? Why? Because Xavier

1119
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: Woods is Xavier Xavier Woods. He pronounces it that way.

1120
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 1: He's out here kicking ass, just taking names, reading the field,

1121
00:53:54,360 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 1: hauling ass across one side of the field and picking

1122
00:53:57,080 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: off a ball that he was nowhere near being in

1123
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 1: the right place at the right time, that type of stuff. Uh,

1124
00:54:02,719 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: and and he wasn't doing that this time last year.

1125
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:06,839
Speaker 1: To be fit known, not at all. And to be fair,

1126
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,719
Speaker 1: I mean, Byron Jones did a lot of that stuff

1127
00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: a few years ago too, and it didn't translate. So

1128
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 1: and they brought in a veteran guy to push him

1129
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: and nobody's even mentioned mentioning him. That's I didn't think.

1130
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 1: I think he plays on third team now. George Iloca. Yes,

1131
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 1: I did a radio hit on Saturday and somebody was like, yeah,

1132
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: they were like, what's the how's that competition going at

1133
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 1: safety with George Iloca and Donovan Wilson fighting the So

1134
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 1: I was like, what competition are you talking about? Uh?

1135
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: This is this is locked in. Jeff Heath and Xavier

1136
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: Woods are the guys and honestly, through eight practices they

1137
00:54:40,239 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: look pretty good. Yeah. So it's the third best safety

1138
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: on this team right now. That is where it gets

1139
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: interesting because you got Cavon, you got the new kid Wilson,

1140
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: and you have George Iloca. Also, a guy that the

1141
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 1: team really loves that that we kind of forget about

1142
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: is definitely darry and Thompson, who made a nice play

1143
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,799
Speaker 1: in the red zone the other day. Um, that's hard

1144
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,040
Speaker 1: to say. I mean, Cavan's your special team's ace and

1145
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: your right kind of guy. Ilocas a seven year veteran Wilson,

1146
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 1: like I said, Wilson's looked good when he's had a

1147
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: chance to hit people. And Thompson it seems like the

1148
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:15,920
Speaker 1: team likes him. I don't know what to do with that.

1149
00:55:16,040 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: And that goes back to how many of you keeping

1150
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: four or five? I mean, because you got to you

1151
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: gotta find a guy that can play safety if one

1152
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: of those guys gets banged up. And I say that,

1153
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, I know what they what they how they

1154
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: think about Cavon Frasier, But I don't think they really

1155
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:31,960
Speaker 1: want to put him out there and play a lot

1156
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:34,840
Speaker 1: of defense. I think his value with special teams, so

1157
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:37,960
Speaker 1: that sounds good, But at some point, who who's playing

1158
00:55:38,719 --> 00:55:42,359
Speaker 1: safety for you? Which it's not what he came here

1159
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,480
Speaker 1: to do. But George Iloka could be that guy. And

1160
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean he's been running with the threes. He's basically

1161
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 1: been a non factor out here, but as we go

1162
00:55:51,160 --> 00:55:53,000
Speaker 1: he might be the guy they feel the most comfortable with.

1163
00:55:53,160 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: Or Thompson. That's a fair one. Too. Is it somewhat

1164
00:55:55,640 --> 00:55:58,440
Speaker 1: alarming though, to say that he's a veteran, He's a

1165
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: guy has some excuse, lots of experience, and playing against

1166
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 1: the third team, he's not been noticeable. Well, he's playing

1167
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 1: with the third team, probably because they feel like they

1168
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 1: kind of have a good idea of what he can do,

1169
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 1: but they want to see what. No, and I get

1170
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: that what I'm saying, No, it's not like that. I'm saying,

1171
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 1: even playing against third team competition, he's not really flashing

1172
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: out here? Does that concern you? Does that alarm you

1173
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: about where he is at this point of his career?

1174
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:25,359
Speaker 1: If you forget about him, right, it's like, who's this guy?

1175
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,040
Speaker 1: Let's move on? Yeah, Yeah, it doesn't concern me because

1176
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, this guy is a prime candidate

1177
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: to be a veteran cut. But I will if I'm

1178
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: trying to defend George at LOCA, I would say that's

1179
00:56:35,719 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 1: not his game. This isn't his game, Like he's another

1180
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,880
Speaker 1: he's put the pads on as they want him to

1181
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: be a box safety, like they want him down there

1182
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:45,359
Speaker 1: in the muck, and he's he's had some nice plays

1183
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: down by the line of scrimmage. No no interceptions or

1184
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: anything like that. But he's yeah, I'm not judging him

1185
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,359
Speaker 1: off of these sort of practices. So they do need

1186
00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:56,879
Speaker 1: a backup safety. You can't just sit here and say, well,

1187
00:56:57,400 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: you know, special teams here are special teams there. I mean,

1188
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,040
Speaker 1: he got have somebody because when Cavon Frasier came in

1189
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:04,359
Speaker 1: the game for a few snaps in Seattle Week three

1190
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:06,400
Speaker 1: last year, I think Tyler Lockett was in the end

1191
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 1: zone in like five seconds for a touchdown. And so

1192
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,440
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's a noticeable different. I love Cavon,

1193
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:13,919
Speaker 1: we all do, but I don't think that's his strong

1194
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: stude is it's go out there and play defense. I

1195
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 1: don't know what to do with that position after the

1196
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: starting two. I have no idea, Like it's just something

1197
00:57:21,720 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to see that they're going to be healthy,

1198
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,040
Speaker 1: see how they work in the games, and maybe you

1199
00:57:26,120 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: know Dondran Wilson, the light keeps coming on for him,

1200
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: and like you said, when you know he's a physical

1201
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 1: player and he'll make plays in the games, all right.

1202
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 1: He reminds me of of a young Cavon Frasier actually,

1203
00:57:35,760 --> 00:57:37,760
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