1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: Hi everyone, It's Katie Curic and welcome back to Next Question. 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,560 Speaker 1: This is our first episode of our brand new third season, 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: and I can't think of a better way to start 4 00:00:10,960 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: than by sitting down with actor, director, and activists Robin 5 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: bright By. Robin, thanks so much for doing this. Thanks 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 1: for having me. Robin, someone I have long admired for 7 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: bringing a quiet strength and intelligence to just about every 8 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: character she plays, from Princess Buttercup and The Princess Bride. 9 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,919 Speaker 1: I know who you are. You're cruelty, reveals everything you're 10 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: dread pirate. Roberts agrees it to Jenny and Forrest Gump. 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: We pray for God to turn me into a bird 12 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: so I could fly off all way. And to that 13 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: ruthless badass Clear Underwood from House of Cards, I'm not 14 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,199 Speaker 1: going to be told what to do anymore, Doug, not 15 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: by you or anyone or any man ever ever again. 16 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: And now Robin is starring in and directing a new 17 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: movie called Land, in which she reveals a whole new 18 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: depth of character. In Eaty, a woman experiencing tremendous overwhelming 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: grief who decides to leave her life in the city 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,760 Speaker 1: and live in a cabin in the wilderness, and I'm 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: talking serious wilderness. People never get lonely out here. Sometimes 22 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: I know I'd be more lonely there than here. That 23 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: may sound it doesn't make any sense of it. Robin 24 00:01:35,760 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: has directed before, in fact, at least ten episodes of 25 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: House of Cards, but Land is the first feature she's directed. 26 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: What this movie centralizes on. It's about the existence you 27 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: once knew, that you that you once lived in will 28 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: never exist in the same way again, and I just thought, wow, 29 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 1: that's something to explore. It was handed to me the 30 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: script brought to me by our producer Alan Stewart about 31 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,520 Speaker 1: three years ago when we were all witnessing on the 32 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 1: news UM and many many people experiencing grief due to 33 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 1: the random shootings that were going on almost bi weekly, 34 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: and I just couldn't help but think every morning I 35 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: woke up, how do these people get through? Everybody deals 36 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:35,799 Speaker 1: with grief in their own way. UM, But I really 37 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: wanted to tap into that topic because there was so 38 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: much tragedy, so much trauma that was going on, and 39 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: then to have this last year that we've all been 40 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 1: experiencing it, I thought, how timely to release a movie 41 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: with this message about human resilience, and how empowering that is, 42 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: knowing that you can come out on the other side, 43 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,520 Speaker 1: and that we need human connection to help us. You know, 44 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: when we're faced with adversity, we need each other. And 45 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 1: I just thought, what a beautiful re reminder right now 46 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: to have. Was there anything in your own experience that 47 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: you tapped into I mean that made you able to 48 00:03:16,080 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: really dig deep on this topic. I mean, fortunately I 49 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: haven't had an unfathomable event like in this character D's life. 50 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:34,920 Speaker 1: I've had relatives pass of course, but this is on 51 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: a whole other level. I would think I spoke to 52 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: a couple of renowned psychologists about trauma and that really 53 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: wanted to understand the different layers, the different levels, how 54 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: do you get through phase five to enter phase six, etcetera. 55 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with Dr James Gordon? In fact, I 56 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: know him quite well. I've I covered him when he 57 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: was doing his work in Haiti when my husband was 58 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: diagnosed with cancer, because I think he understands stood. Also, 59 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: he's an expert in kind of holistic um healing. I 60 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: reached out to him, so I've known him for many years, 61 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: and in fact he's going to be our guests. We've 62 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: already taped it on a later broadcast about collective trauma, 63 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,760 Speaker 1: so you can imagine when I saw that you sought 64 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: advice from him, I thought, well, this conversation was meant 65 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: to be Yes, Oh my goodness, what a coincidence. Well, 66 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: he um, I was. I had the opportunity to meet 67 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: him a couple of years ago because I do work 68 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 1: through our PROJECTAMA company. As you know port Famine, we 69 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: helped the women in Congo, and he really wants to 70 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: get into that zone, into the Democratic Republic of Congo, 71 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: and helped these women with their trauma. And I said, 72 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: how can you help me as a director understand what 73 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 1: this one woman went through? And I know there are 74 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 1: many people in the world that have experienced it, and 75 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 1: I just felt like a layman. And he said, I 76 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: want to do a session with you. So you're going 77 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:12,359 Speaker 1: to be the character, and I'm just gonna do a 78 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: session the way I would with any patient, and we're 79 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: going to see how you're feeling. The layers open up, 80 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: and he really helped direct me for how to play 81 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: this character. That must have been such an intense experience, Robin, 82 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: It was so intense. What was the most sort of 83 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: profound thing. He he told you about the grieving process 84 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: and about kind of the emotional upheaval of dealing with 85 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: unfathomable loss. The one key thing was never, never to 86 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: stop the emotion. Whatever that emotion is. That you have 87 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: to allow yourself to go through it, as painful as 88 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 1: it may be. If you travel through it, let it 89 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: experience you, and you experience it, you're going to travel 90 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: into the next faith. So don't shut don't shut out 91 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: those feelings, which I think, I think probably I did 92 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,600 Speaker 1: in my own personal experience. I don't even know if 93 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: I fully grieved what happened to me. I think I 94 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 1: found distractions to keep me from fully grieving. But you know, 95 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: I just need I don't even know if I gave 96 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:32,600 Speaker 1: myself the time or opportunity in retrospect to do that. 97 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 1: So that's interesting. It's so funny. He talks about that 98 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: a lot, not giving yourself permission as well as time, 99 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,760 Speaker 1: you know, um, anyway, we could go down a rabbit 100 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 1: hole tongue about that for sure, for sure when we 101 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: come back. Robin Wright on the unique and harrowing challenge 102 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: of shooting a film eight thousand feet up in the 103 00:06:56,160 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: Canadian Rockies. I got freezing cold just watching her. We'll 104 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: be right back. I love the movie for so many reasons. 105 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: One was because just visually it was so stunning, and 106 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: it was sort of this micro and Mike macro um 107 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: kind of juxtaposition of you and your individual pain in 108 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 1: this spectacular setting. Spectacular but also reminds me of of you, know, 109 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 1: of Yates. A terrible beauty is born? Right, I mean 110 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: it had. It was really a paradox. But how were 111 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: you able to take all that you have learned and 112 00:07:42,640 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: the script and your desire to really um communicate to 113 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: people watching this movie what it was like for eat? 114 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 1: I mean, how did you? How did you do that? Well, 115 00:07:53,920 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 1: you know it's it's a team of people. It takes 116 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: a village for sure to direct to movie, so it's 117 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: never just you directing it. Yet do you hopefully get 118 00:08:05,640 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: to imbue your vision and hope it translates um But really, 119 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 1: I have to say it was on the page, This 120 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: was the script that I read. The simplicity of human 121 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: kindness just resonated, and how the kindness of a stranger, 122 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 1: how somebody like that can save your life and you 123 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:33,240 Speaker 1: don't even have to know each other. If completely different backgrounds, 124 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,959 Speaker 1: completely different cultures, and they have this incredible bond because 125 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: it was meant to be. He was meant to run 126 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,319 Speaker 1: into her, and the whole spiritual side of that as well. Um, 127 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 1: but directing, I had three amazing female producers on set 128 00:08:52,080 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 1: all day, every day, and they were my backbone. And 129 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:01,520 Speaker 1: if you don't have trust in that and the fortitude 130 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: of knowing, okay, I know that if I make a 131 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: mistake or I miss something, I know they're gonna catch it. 132 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 1: Can we agree that my actions are my business? Yes, 133 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: we can. And if I end up starving, well that's 134 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: on me. I feel that I have to say this 135 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: only a person who has never been hungry what thinks 136 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: starving is a way to die? There are better ways 137 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: to die. There are better ways to die. I understand 138 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: it might be a little role for you here, but 139 00:09:52,559 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 1: if you feel you don't belong here, then I don't 140 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:00,480 Speaker 1: belong here. I don't belong anywhere. You and Mcca, the 141 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:04,400 Speaker 1: character in the movie who I thought was so wonderful, 142 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: You're both I think dealing with with guilt and redemption, 143 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: and I think the human connection between you two was 144 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:19,320 Speaker 1: just extraordinary. And I'm curious about just the elements. I know, 145 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: you shot this movie in twenty nine days in Alberta, Canada. 146 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: The elements were just brutal. I felt like I was 147 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,079 Speaker 1: freezing just watching you, you know, cowering on that floor. 148 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,719 Speaker 1: How much of that was reality? When you were in 149 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:39,200 Speaker 1: the midst of filming those scenes, we were living the 150 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: movie we shot. If we're talking about just the seasons 151 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: and the beast that nature can be, and up there 152 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: in the mountains of Alberta, it's some of the most 153 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: unpredictable weather patterns I'd ever been in in my life, 154 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 1: and they prepared us for that, but boy, we didn't 155 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: know until we got it. We'd be in t shirts 156 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: one minute shooting summer scene down at the river, and 157 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they'd get a weather report saying 158 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 1: we got to get back up to the base camp 159 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: because we're gonna get a dump of snow in an hour, 160 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: and we've got to shift the schedule and move over 161 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 1: to shoot all of Eadie's winter scenes. So that was 162 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: kind of a daily That was a daily routine where 163 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: we had to rejig the schedule according to the weather. Wow. 164 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: So so, but then I know somebody else stayed in 165 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: this that cabin to get the scenes sort of to 166 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,679 Speaker 1: make sure that you had sort of the full timetable 167 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: of the time Eadie was in that cabin. So I 168 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: guess that person stayed behind and got some more shots 169 00:11:43,400 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 1: right to fill out the film. Yes, our DP Bobby Bukowski. Um, 170 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: I think he would probably choose to live in a 171 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: tent on his own volition, beyond the choice. Um, he 172 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: is a man of nature, and he decided to sleep 173 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: in Eaties cabin so that he could catch a beautiful sunrise, sunsets, 174 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: any kind of storm that that moved in. So all 175 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: of those night shots of the wind and the rain, 176 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: all of that was him just grabbing the camera at 177 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: three or four in the morning, turning it on and 178 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: catching You know, weather is a character in this movie. 179 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: It definitely is a character. Yeah, let's talk about selling 180 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: the film. It wasn't easy. Why why were people not 181 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,680 Speaker 1: interested in this film? Do you think? You know, I 182 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: don't know, maybe um, woman alone on a mountain, that's 183 00:12:40,040 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: the chick flick, you know. Um, I really would like 184 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 1: to know the answer to that, because if they when 185 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,080 Speaker 1: they said no anything or just like not for us, 186 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: they don't say anything. These meetings are very odd. They're there, 187 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: but a lot of them have translators because they're mostly European, 188 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: and they just come in and they listen to your 189 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,120 Speaker 1: five minute pitch and they get up and get out 190 00:13:10,160 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 1: of their chairs and walk out of the room. And 191 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 1: then you wonder if you'll hear from one of them. 192 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:18,960 Speaker 1: That's what it's like. But I think it was serendipitous, 193 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: definitely that they were the last ones to come in 194 00:13:21,880 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: focus features and they are under Universal Pictures. They've got 195 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: incredible taste, they love story, and they are such big 196 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: supporters of directors of the artists. That's you know, coming 197 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: out there to say, here's my idea of how to 198 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:44,320 Speaker 1: make this movie. They left me alone and so supportive 199 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: at the same time. Um, they're true creators that group 200 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: over there, and they just they listened to our pitch 201 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: and they said, this message needs to be in the 202 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,640 Speaker 1: world right now. And this was pre pandemic. They just said, 203 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: it's so beautiful. It's about human kindness and human resilience, 204 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 1: and man, have we been through a hallacious four years, 205 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: you know, the last four years, and there's trauma from 206 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: the last four years. I absolutely believe that on many 207 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: different levels the trauma that we've experienced. Talk to me 208 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: about the impact this film has had and the response 209 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: you're getting from people from this this quiet and and 210 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 1: contemplative I think movie that is really not much dialogue, 211 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: you know, very spare, but so powerful. I think it 212 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: is exactly what we've been talking about. It's the simplicity 213 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 1: of human kindness and relatedness and what that feeds another 214 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: person is enormous sometimes, and I think it's like anything. 215 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 1: Do you ever get tired of seeing a rainbow? You know, 216 00:15:02,160 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: you're always going, oh wow, look there's another great We've 217 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:08,400 Speaker 1: seen so many of them, but this is a re reminder, 218 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,640 Speaker 1: and I think that's why it is resonating with people. 219 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,880 Speaker 1: They want to feel that uplifting. Yes, there's hope to 220 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: be had, because there's a lot of hopelessness going on 221 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: right now. When we come back, Robin and I talk 222 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 1: about that last ceiling. Is it still frozen or is 223 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:40,760 Speaker 1: it too starting to melt? That's right after this. A 224 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: few years ago, I did a documentary on gender and 225 00:15:44,040 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: equality in Hollywood and Silicon Valley, and back then there 226 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:54,479 Speaker 1: were very few female directors and very few female executives 227 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: in Hollywood, and it seems like we're witnessing potentially a 228 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: see change with women directors being celebrated and recognized and desirable. 229 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: And I'm curious to hear your feedback on that. Because 230 00:16:14,440 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: you've been in Hollywood for a while, I'm sure you've 231 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:20,320 Speaker 1: seen it all. Do you think things are finally starting 232 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 1: to change? I think the crack in the glass ceiling 233 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: has happened, and we've got a lot more um amplification 234 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:36,760 Speaker 1: of our voices to continue. And you really you can't 235 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: give up. You just have to persevere. There's a resurgence 236 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: for sure, and you're like, well, we're we here before. No, 237 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: we were never here before. This is a new kind 238 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 1: of resurgence. This is an awareness that's going on and 239 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: pressure being put on the system. It's just breaking an 240 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: old tape and just saying, why why not have this 241 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:04,920 Speaker 1: other perspective? Tell stories half and half, three quarters a quarter, 242 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 1: you know, let it, let it ebb and flow with 243 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 1: all kinds of different cultures. Yes, more more female directors 244 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: is great and writers, but let's start opening it up, 245 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:22,440 Speaker 1: broadening it. In fact, I guess for the first time ever, 246 00:17:22,560 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: more women than men were nominated for Best Director for 247 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: Golden globes this year, several debut directors are acting veterans 248 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: like you, Halle Berry, Matt Maggie Gillenhall, Regina King. At 249 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:39,760 Speaker 1: sun Dance where your film premiered. Fort of the festivals 250 00:17:40,280 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 1: one feature lineup were directed by one or more women. 251 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: So the proof is kind of in the pudding, isn't it. 252 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if you think it was the Me 253 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: Too and Times Up movement um along with I think 254 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 1: just a greater understanding and recognition of the need for diversity, 255 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:03,080 Speaker 1: even through the Black Lives Matter movement. If if those 256 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: kind of cultural trends really created this tipping point for 257 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: women's on more diversity, you nailed it. Couldn't have said 258 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:18,719 Speaker 1: it better. It is about diversity, and that is the 259 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 1: tape that needs to be broken. We're just we're conditioned, 260 00:18:23,440 --> 00:18:25,120 Speaker 1: or you know when they say it's a man's world, 261 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 1: and it's been a man's world in these industries. Let's 262 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:34,520 Speaker 1: just break the conditioning. It's just about adapting to a 263 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: new functions, Like I've just been used to saying this 264 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 1: tape over and over again for the last forty years, 265 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 1: and that's a cognitive shift too. I think that's that's 266 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,919 Speaker 1: happened with these movements. Do you think Land would have 267 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 1: resonated with people as much if we hadn't experienced the 268 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 1: pandemic or do you think it transcends the last year 269 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:00,480 Speaker 1: that so many people have experienced so much ice, selation 270 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: and loneliness. Honestly, and you know what a great question, 271 00:19:05,800 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: and it's a hypothetical. I'll never know what what this 272 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: movie would have felt like not being released during this pandemic, 273 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: and it's compounded with the last four years, just the chaos, 274 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: the mayhem and our administration. What happened to our country? Um, 275 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 1: and then to be in lockdown and not have any 276 00:19:35,520 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: real knowingness and when it's going to lift, When are 277 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: we going to be back to normal? Will it ever 278 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,679 Speaker 1: be the normal we once knew completely? We don't know yet, 279 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: so that a knowingness is a trauma. So I really 280 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: couldn't even answer how it would have been received if 281 00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 1: it was made four years ago. Maybe differently. So now 282 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:02,760 Speaker 1: that you have this under your out and I'm curious, 283 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: what kinds of projects are you looking for in the 284 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 1: future and what kinds of things would you like to do? 285 00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: I kind of want to do it all good, good, 286 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:17,879 Speaker 1: we want, we want you to do it all. Actually, 287 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: I've been speaking last week. Would be nice to do 288 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: a comedy after this one. Um, have you ever done 289 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,520 Speaker 1: a comedy? Well, you know, I guess The Princess Bride 290 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: had some comical moments, but I know, and I was 291 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: the only non funny character in the movie. Um. Yeah, 292 00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: just exploring all different arenas. Um. I really love this 293 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: directing thing. Um. And I'm gonna go next month to 294 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:46,440 Speaker 1: direct a couple of episodes of the show Ozark, which 295 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: I read that so exciting, that's so great, that's such 296 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: a terrific show. And I worshiped at the altar of 297 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 1: Laura Lenny. Don't you just love her? Yes, she is 298 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:00,919 Speaker 1: the best and so good on that show. And Jason 299 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,240 Speaker 1: Bateman is awesome too. The whole cast is amazing. Well, 300 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: I know, they really nailed it with that content. I 301 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 1: gotta say, it's even darker than House of Cards. I 302 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: didn't think it would be possible. And are you looking 303 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: for other other films that you might want to star 304 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: in as well? Or do you think that you've now 305 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: caught the directing bug and that's really where your passion is. 306 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: It's it's both, it's definitely. It's in the lead of 307 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 1: wanting to direct another film for sure. Um but I'm 308 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 1: not gonna quit acting completely, I don't think. I hope. 309 00:21:42,200 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: I hope. I keep my fingers crossed that I get 310 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:48,439 Speaker 1: a job. You know, that's this industry. There's no security. 311 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:51,280 Speaker 1: You never know when the next job is coming. How 312 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,520 Speaker 1: have you been able to kind of just keep a 313 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: good head on your shoulders through just this phenomenal career 314 00:21:57,720 --> 00:22:01,719 Speaker 1: you have had, but also wondering like is it going 315 00:22:01,760 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: to continue? What's next? Will anyone want me? I think 316 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:09,320 Speaker 1: that must be so nerve wracking. It is, and you 317 00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: have and you have to stay in the game in 318 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: a sense, meaning oh, I can't take it to your 319 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: break and just not work and go be it. You know, 320 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: you fall off that at wagon and sometimes they don't 321 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 1: let you back on, you know. Um So, looking back 322 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 1: over the years, it was I think just a matter 323 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,199 Speaker 1: of looking ahead, knowing I want to be here for 324 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 1: a long time. I don't want to just you know, 325 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: blow myself out in two years and it has been 326 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:50,160 Speaker 1: I really love this art, and it's about pacing pacing 327 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 1: yourself knowing that this is going to be another twenty 328 00:22:53,760 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: years hopefully and also it seems to me taking matters 329 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 1: into your own hands. I think a lot of women 330 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 1: in Hollywood are no longer reliant on the male executives. 331 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 1: I am so excited to see women form their own 332 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,959 Speaker 1: production companies start, you know, making room for their projects, 333 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: pushing projects like land that you had to get behind 334 00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: and actually go and sell so you had control over 335 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,560 Speaker 1: the product. I think we're seeing that happening more and more, 336 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: and as a result, is opening up a lot of 337 00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: space for projects that probably wouldn't have been green let 338 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: if you had to depend on I hate to say it, 339 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:40,119 Speaker 1: but this patriarchy, you know, giving a thumbs up to 340 00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,919 Speaker 1: certain projects, right. Yeah. And I don't even know the 341 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: interiors enough to speak eloquently about it, meeting the interiors 342 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,479 Speaker 1: of the business side of Hollywood. But there are some 343 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 1: fantastic head producers of studios that are female and they've 344 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: been around for a long time. So are these going 345 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,520 Speaker 1: to be passing the baton? You know what I mean? 346 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: Like you say, are we going to keep expanding, keep 347 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,879 Speaker 1: passing it when these other executives choose to retire? I hope. 348 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,959 Speaker 1: So it's an exciting time, isn't it for all of 349 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: those reasons. It really is. And I hope that we 350 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: come out of this pandemic and we can salvage the 351 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: entertainment industry to be back to what it was, because 352 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: it was a very fruitful industry and it's hurting right now. 353 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: So it's ironic to me that the entertainment industry has 354 00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: never been more important to people. You know, this has 355 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 1: been kind of there their lifeline. I think it's kept 356 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: them saying all the content that they've been able to 357 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,439 Speaker 1: enjoy and appreciate, all the art that they've been able 358 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:58,199 Speaker 1: to watch, and I think people realize how important that 359 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 1: is to our culture. And I hope that as a result, uh, 360 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,400 Speaker 1: you know, people can support it in whatever way they 361 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:13,160 Speaker 1: need to to make sure it stays strong and productive 362 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 1: and and continues to be just as phenomenally creative as 363 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: it is. We need story. Yes we have books, but 364 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 1: that's a whole other experience, the visual experience of a 365 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: story being shared with you. And it's almost like therapy 366 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: right in this isolation period, and all we do have 367 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: is our TVs were not having the collective experience in 368 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 1: the theater, even though they're opening now. Um, I think 369 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 1: there's we're just kind of tiptoeing around. I just pray, yeah, 370 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: I pray that it has a talk about a resurgence. 371 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: I hope it has one a positive rob And thanks 372 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,919 Speaker 1: so much for for doing this, Thank you for having me. 373 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: I just love her anyway. Land is in select theaters 374 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: now and it will begin streaming and March, so definitely 375 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 1: keep an eye out for it if you haven't seen it. 376 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: I loved it and of course I cried like a baby. 377 00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Next Question with Katie Curic. 378 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: Thank you all so much for listening. It's really great 379 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,359 Speaker 1: to be back inside your heads. Oh and make sure 380 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: to tune in next week for a conversation with the 381 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 1: very funny and incredibly talented Amber Ruffin. Here is an 382 00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: excerpt from the hit book You'll Never Believe What Happened 383 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: to Late? 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