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Speaker 1: Hi. I am Kate Hudson and my name is Oliver Hudson.

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Speaker 1: We wanted to do something that highlighted our relationship and

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Speaker 1: what it's like to be siblings. We are a sibling raivalry. No, no, sibling.

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Speaker 1: You don't do that with your mouth revelry. That's good. Hello,

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Speaker 1: and well, I can't believe it our first back at

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Speaker 1: it for long. It's been a while. We've been done

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Speaker 1: this for a while. I know, I know, and and

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Speaker 1: the people have been clamoring, and so we just said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, we gotta come back gone to save

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Speaker 1: the world. We have to do. We have to save

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Speaker 1: the world, one sibling relationship at a time, exactly. Starting

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Speaker 1: off with Jenna and Barbara Bush. Yes, which I loved.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. I really didn't know what you expect. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I've been interviewed by Jenna. Have you been interviewed by

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Speaker 1: Jenna before? No, I haven't. And she's great, always has

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Speaker 1: such great energy and and I always love seeing her

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Speaker 1: and Barbara. I've has been at at the house. We've

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Speaker 1: had like a night together, we hung out. So the

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Speaker 1: fraternal twins and there are first siblings who have ever

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Speaker 1: lived in the White House. So who else do we

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Speaker 1: need to get well, we should get the Obamas. We

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Speaker 1: need you know, we need Sasha and Malia. We need

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Speaker 1: and Malia. And what would actually be a really crazy podcast,

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Speaker 1: which I think would be really interesting, would be Jeb

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Speaker 1: and President Bush. Oh yeah, but I don't know. Maybe

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Speaker 1: maybe after they found out that Jenna and Barbara did it,

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Speaker 1: maybe they're like, oh, well, we want to be cool too. Jenna.

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Speaker 1: Jenna's the co host of NBC Today's with Hoda and Jenna,

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Speaker 1: and she's the founder of the Today book club Read

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Speaker 1: with Jenna, and we need a book club, by the

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Speaker 1: way we've been talking about I would, yeah, we should

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Speaker 1: do a family book club. That would be hysterical. I

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Speaker 1: would enjoy that. Yeah, anyway something. Barbara is the co

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Speaker 1: founder and the board chair of Global Health Core, you know,

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Speaker 1: and she's also vice president of the Social Impact for

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Speaker 1: the NBA. They just knew so many amazing things. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they're really fun. They're super easygoing, very personable, and

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Speaker 1: and they both they wrote this children's book. This is

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Speaker 1: what they even. They didn't come on for their health

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They came on our podcast.

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Speaker 1: Of course they love the Hudson's but They actually wrote

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Speaker 1: a children's book. It's their newest one called Loves Comes

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Speaker 1: First and it's on bookshelves November seventh, twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty three, so it's coming anyway. We talked

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Speaker 1: about everything. We talked a lot about their rebellious years,

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Speaker 1: ghost stories in the White House, the influence of their

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Speaker 1: parents and grandparents, much more. So. Enjoy this episode. Hello

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Speaker 1: hell siblings, Hi, how are y'all? How are you? I'm good,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad we figured this out. This is so funn

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Speaker 1: Let me get the book. Hold on one thing. First

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Speaker 1: of all, why don't you guys, uh, sort of introduce

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Speaker 1: interviewed by Jenna? And holda? Have you you need to

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Speaker 1: come on our show? I know you're not you're not

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Speaker 1: but let's just start with where we are now and

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Speaker 1: you guys in your life and like what you're you know,

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Speaker 1: delve into that childhood. Well, so yes, I got to

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Speaker 1: your loveliest mom, which is always when I'm Ahooda and

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Speaker 1: can you say that on a podcast? And we would

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00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 1: come with is like things that hurt our feelings when

424
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 1: we were fifteen years old as a girl. She would

425
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:40,880
Speaker 1: be like, listen, I know that hurts, but I probably

426
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: that's not big enough to worry about, like say it

427
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:46,879
Speaker 1: for the things that are going to really hurt. And

428
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: it's true, because we have things in our lives that

429
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:52,600
Speaker 1: are monumental that hurt us that even in high school

430
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 1: we did, you know, but the little kind of petty thing.

431
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:59,639
Speaker 1: She would listen to us, but she would just reassure

432
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: us that like they didn't deserve all of our attention,

433
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 1: and that was really really helpful. I mean, I know,

434
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 1: well also mom, I mean, our mom is shockingly come.

435
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,360
Speaker 1: But she also really wanted us to figure out who

436
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:18,640
Speaker 1: we were. There was no prescriptive path for us. And

437
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,199
Speaker 1: I know some parents like pressure their kids to figure

438
00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: to follow some path, but our mom was the opposite.

439
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: Of that. She wanted us just to pursue what we

440
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: were interested in. And I mean we traveled with our

441
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: parents around the world, around the country, around the world.

442
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: I went to five continents with my parents, and they

443
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: just wanted to expose us to as many different people

444
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: and as many different ways of being so that hopefully

445
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 1: we would figure out how we wanted to be. And

446
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,040
Speaker 1: I think that's a huge gift that my mom in

447
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 1: particular wanted us to explore and figure out what got

448
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,240
Speaker 1: us excited, even if it didn't, you know, if it

449
00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,840
Speaker 1: wasn't exciting to her to others. And that was really lucky.

450
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,920
Speaker 1: Oh you lot, we were able to be super open

451
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:04,359
Speaker 1: with your parents, tell them everything or you know. I mean, yes,

452
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: we did not tell them every single thing, but we

453
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 1: definitely could. I mean, don't you feel like Barbara, Yeah,

454
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: I'm I like personality wise and very private. So I

455
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 1: did not tell my parents everything, but I could have.

456
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:19,919
Speaker 1: And now at this stage I tell my parents everything

457
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 1: because why not. But when I was younger, I was

458
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: like it would have been totally allowed and accepted in

459
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:28,679
Speaker 1: every way. Are you still you guys, still holding a

460
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: secret now that your parents don't know that you did

461
00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: when you were kids where or something kind of bad.

462
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 1: We're like, oh shit, they still don't know about this,

463
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: and we're forty probably probably, you know, it's one thing

464
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: to like have a parent that people look at like, oh,

465
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 1: I want to be just like you, or your movies

466
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: made me feel happy, or you know, you know, the

467
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,439
Speaker 1: tap dancing parent is very different than like people who

468
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 1: were actually in charge charge of our future. You know,

469
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 1: like the pressure of that is it's so interesting that

470
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,880
Speaker 1: they really protected you. It feels like from the how

471
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: unbelievably powerful their positions, both Grandpa and dad, you know,

472
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,880
Speaker 1: because you know your dad was, you know, as most

473
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: presidents are, by polarizing and in a very intense time

474
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,959
Speaker 1: like being in college. Well, let's let's go to your

475
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: grandpa first. Like when did you guys first have that

476
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: experience of like, oh, someone's like upset with my parent,

477
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,160
Speaker 1: or someone's like pushing back and I don't really understand

478
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: what's going on, you know, when for with, I'll tell

479
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: our grandfather and Barbara you can probably talk more to Dad.

480
00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: And I was at a grocery store and there was

481
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: a like in newsweek or as Time ninetazine. I'm pretty

482
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: sure it was Newsweek though, that had him on the

483
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: cover and it said the wimp Factor. They called him

484
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: a whimp, which was like such a nineties or late

485
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 1: eighties word, you know, like we used whimp on the

486
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 1: play card. Yeah, I call I still call Alio wimple

487
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 1: all the time. Remember that was such a word of

488
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,720
Speaker 1: our childhood. Do you know what I mean? Wimpy? Yeah?

489
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: Oh disconcerting to see somebody who I loved so much

490
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: who also like, like the way that he led was

491
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: was ggital, Yeah, was much more metal. I mean, he

492
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: was a very different leader than we've seen in the

493
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: last couple you know, or the last decade. He was.

494
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: He led with love, He listened. He was raised to

495
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: be so humble that like, actually he would get in

496
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: trouble as a little boy if he bragged about like

497
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: his baseball team or something. So we didn't know any

498
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,640
Speaker 1: end of the stuff that he had done. You know.

499
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 1: He never talked about himself. He always asked questions. He

500
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 1: always gave credit to everybody that helped him, like he

501
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: would never he didn't need to be like the mancho spotlight.

502
00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: I'm the king type of guy, and so like to

503
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 1: us that felt beautiful and just who he was, you know,

504
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 1: and and so I remember, like I really confused, and

505
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 1: it was like right around when I learned how to read,

506
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 1: so I could first or second, but I could read it,

507
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:34,880
Speaker 1: and I could see it, and I asked my mom,

508
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: and you know, it just it felt like such a

509
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: different way than I would have described him. But I

510
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 1: mean that's how he was thought of as a leader.

511
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 1: It's like not strong enough, not tough enough, not bragging

512
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: about himself enough. And did you feel a sense of,

513
00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:54,920
Speaker 1: like I mean, especially being the aggressive lover in the family,

514
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: where you like, did you feel like this desire to

515
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: protect Grandpa? Yah? I mean I just felt, yeah, I did,

516
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: like I was sort of wanted to like move all

517
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 1: the magazines and put something else on top, you know,

518
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,600
Speaker 1: like it just so didn't match the words, so didn't

519
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: match what we thought of him, like he was our hero.

520
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: We admired him so much. So that was that was

521
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: like sort of the first and kind of only time

522
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 1: when we were little. Do you remember how your parents

523
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: or did you talk to your mom or dad about

524
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: that feeling? Do you remember that? Yeah? I mean I

525
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: definitely did. I don't remember what they're I think they

526
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: sort of just let us talk it out because I

527
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 1: think they also knew, like that's you know, freedom of speech,

528
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: like that's what comes with the territory, and so it's

529
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: like what could they say, you know, like it is

530
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: what it is. But I think they let me talk

531
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: about like what that feeling felt like and how like

532
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 1: hurtful it was to me as a little kid to

533
00:31:55,760 --> 00:32:01,400
Speaker 1: see that mm hmm, even though it's again it's part

534
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 1: of the job. Like your grandfather and your father probably

535
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: don't get stung by a lot, you know, No, they don't.

536
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: Definitely didn't his feelings, you know. I mean, I think

537
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: he you know, was like, wow, they believe in the

538
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:19,960
Speaker 1: freedom of journalistic check. I mean, that's twenty of free

539
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: speech at the time. Was your dad governor No, not

540
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: d governor later governor when we were in the middle

541
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: of seventh grade another oh my gosh, you guys were,

542
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 1: oh my gosh. And you were like campaigning with your

543
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:44,080
Speaker 1: parents during these times too, probably like oh no, and

544
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: not we almost never. I mean, we chose to campaign

545
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: with our dad when he ran the second time for

546
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: president when we were twenty two. But besides that, our

547
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: parents were not into having us. They didn't want us

548
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: to do anything that made us feel uncomfortable. I won't

549
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: put us in the spotlight it any way, which is

550
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: so lucky, Like we didn't have to do any of

551
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 1: the sort of cheesy campaign ads that you see with

552
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 1: the family. We just involved in whatever we were doing

553
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 1: when we were I mean, thirteen isn't a great time

554
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: for a transition, but we were just doing our thing,

555
00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: and there was then they were very respectful of that.

556
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: But also for some reason that the difference between I

557
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: mean not for some reason, but the difference between and

558
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's still this way, but then

559
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 1: the difference between governor and president was dressed for it.

560
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: Or my dad was governor from down to Austin high school,

561
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: we had like a totally totally normal high school experience

562
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: and nobody erd, you know, I think Austin was so

563
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: laid back at the time that it was we got

564
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: no attention, no one cared. That's great. What our dad

565
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: did was the most normal, like movie high school experience.

566
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: But that that changed in college. I would assume when

567
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: dad's pressed sit in the United States, and then how

568
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: do you deal with that shit? I mean, god, wait,

569
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: I want to go back to your first time Barbara,

570
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 1: where you discovered, like, oh my god, people are talking

571
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: shit about my family. You know, it's a terrible feeling

572
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: because we've experienced it differently, but very different I think politically,

573
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: I think so, I mean, I was out of it

574
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:26,960
Speaker 1: as a kid. We I mean, I really is like

575
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 1: the credit to our grandparents. When we were with them,

576
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 1: they were one hundred percent there that we They were

577
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: so present with us that I had no idea the

578
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: role that my grandfather was in. But when I went

579
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: to college, it was different. I went I chose to

580
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: go to a school where I didn't know anyone. I

581
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: went to Yale, which is like a highly political campus.

582
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: I was probably the only person that voted for my

583
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:54,440
Speaker 1: dad on the entire campus. And it was during the recount,

584
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: the two thousand recount was by freshman year, and there

585
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: were like protests going on for the recount, and I

586
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,360
Speaker 1: did not. I mean, our dad knew what he was

587
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: getting into. And you referenced this before. He had such

588
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: a thick skin, like he knows that part of the

589
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 1: job is people criticizing you. That's what comes with the territory,

590
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: and you rise above that. And so in many ways,

591
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: I was surprised by my experience, But I had the

592
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: best roommates. I mean, luckily, I made friends who protected me,

593
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: and they would I found out later, they would like

594
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: walk with me to a party and we would walk

595
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 1: around the protest. They would take me in a different direction,

596
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: so I didn't even know they were going on, just

597
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: because it felt so personal to me. Even though no

598
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:46,759
Speaker 1: one there was protesting who they thought was my dad.

599
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 1: They were protesting this guy that they disagreed with. But

600
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,800
Speaker 1: for me, it took a really long time to disengage

601
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: from how this guy that I love so much, that

602
00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: has shown up in every way in our life, been

603
00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: there for me and all the sad things and all

604
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: the happy things. It was so hard for me to

605
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: disengage from them attacking this person that I loved so

606
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 1: deeply and who I saw so differently. And part of that,

607
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: I'm sure is a similar experience to y'all, and that

608
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: in public life, people will only know these certain aspects

609
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: of your parents. And the beauty is you get to

610
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 1: know all these different you know, I know all these

611
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 1: different facets of my dad, then no one will ever

612
00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: know unless they're related to him. That's kind of the

613
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: beauty of it. But it's also the hard part of it,

614
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: and that you want to tell other people that their

615
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: interpretation it's different. But I mean, I didn't watch the

616
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: news ever. Yeah. It's also people, you know, they just

617
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,360
Speaker 1: latch onto any kind of salacious, negative story as we know,

618
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, so like people, the passion, the passion and

619
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: the Yeah, did it ever feel scary for you being

620
00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,120
Speaker 1: on campus during that time where it's like, oh, it's

621
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,759
Speaker 1: the bush kid? But really, I mean I think what

622
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 1: was like, what I really realized is that then I

623
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,279
Speaker 1: made friends with everyone. I mean I really, like I

624
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 1: joke what I say, I'm the only person that voted

625
00:37:10,239 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: for my dad on campus, but I probably am the

626
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 1: only person put it with my dad on campus. And

627
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 1: I was friends with everyone, And I think then you

628
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: people realize, like, wait, I'm actually talking bad about this

629
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: person's dad. I'm not going to do that around them

630
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: because you know, I would never talk bad about someone

631
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: else's dad. Yeah, and so it it. But at the beginning,

632
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: that was my freshman year, and I was in shock,

633
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 1: like I never thought of myself as the president's daughter

634
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: because I'd never been the president's daughter, and all of

635
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 1: a sudden identity wise, that's how other people see me.

636
00:37:44,800 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 1: So it was sort of a complicating experience to figure

637
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 1: out when you're already trying to figure out what your

638
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: identity is when you're eighteen eighty and Jenna, where were you?

639
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 1: I went to Texas, so I stayed in Austin, where

640
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 1: we grew, where we went to middle school in high school.

641
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: And I sort of chose this safer route because I

642
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: knew a lot of people. I kind of like had

643
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: an instant day one group of people that left me,

644
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, I was like, I'm just going to jump

645
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:17,520
Speaker 1: right into the fire. Yes, yes, wow, I would. I

646
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: would think growing up in such a like I mean,

647
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:25,320
Speaker 1: the lineage, the political lineage of your family, what is

648
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 1: it like, where do you guys sit politically? Yeah, it's

649
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: so funny because I feel like when people are like,

650
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: you know, when there's like a family of doctors or

651
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: I guess, like a family of actors. You know, people

652
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: just assume like two things one that we're going to

653
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 1: like it used to for sure. I mean, I think

654
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 1: we've sort of defined ourselves a little bit by this point.

655
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: But the first question was like, are y'all going into politics? Yeah, Like,

656
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll ask if your kids are going into,

657
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: Like I'm sure I've asked that question to somebody now

658
00:38:54,239 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 1: I regret it. It just assumes that that's they will follow,

659
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 1: like the family business one and in two. It's like,

660
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: even recently, people will say things to me like they

661
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: think they know how we vote or how we make

662
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,399
Speaker 1: and I'm like, so interesting to me that they think

663
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,800
Speaker 1: because our parents and not even both of our parents,

664
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:23,399
Speaker 1: like you said, our mom has had differing views from

665
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: our dad and have been vocal. Our grandmother in the

666
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:31,800
Speaker 1: nineties was pro choice and fact when like, you know,

667
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,520
Speaker 1: her husband was the Republican president and she came out

668
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 1: and said it while he was president. Wow. And so

669
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 1: I and you know, my mom came from her parents

670
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 1: were like yellow down Democrats down in Texas. So the

671
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 1: point is like we come from a family where everybody's

672
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: allowed to believe whatever they wanted. And in fact, our parents,

673
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 1: I like just interviewed my dad for something and I

674
00:39:57,600 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, y'all probably think our dad was like

675
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 1: you need to vote this way and believe this way,

676
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: and you can't do this. And I was like, but

677
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 1: he wanted us to be you know, curious and independent,

678
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,399
Speaker 1: and and I was like and now that I'm a parent,

679
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: I know, like what a pain in the asset is.

680
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: He was like, yeah, yo, we're a pain in the ass,

681
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: you know, Evaner. We would Barbara and I would like

682
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 1: read about the death penalty and sit him down and

683
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,800
Speaker 1: be like, dad, this is ridiculous. Like and like he

684
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 1: would come home from debating something to like two little thirteen. Well,

685
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna ask you that, like

686
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 1: when he was president and you were in college. Now

687
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 1: you're you're you're sort of becoming you know, these women

688
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 1: and vocal and and do you were like, Dad, what

689
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? Like what is this law?

690
00:40:45,640 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: What is this policy? Like I mean, would you ever

691
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 1: talk to him about that? And like I don't get this.

692
00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: I don't like it. I don't know what the hell

693
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: you're doing right now. Yes, that's so great. That's amazing.

694
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,720
Speaker 1: I also love it. Your dad's just surrounded by girls,

695
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: Like that's just it's like, you know, outspoken girls and

696
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 1: he and and by the way, like he he listens.

697
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: It's not I mean, because I think what we want,

698
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I want this for my kids too, is

699
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: to feel like they can be themselves and have their

700
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: own opinions and their own beliefs and like, and I

701
00:41:21,160 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: feel like that seems like that's how your parents are too.

702
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: It's like you're you don't have to just take on

703
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: our ideology. You know. There's a really sweet picture of

704
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: your grandpa my mom dancing. Oh yeah, my mom was

705
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 1: that somewhere. I think my mom has it framed in

706
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: the hall somewhere. Yes, I think this is when she

707
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: didn't she spill her drink on her lap. She spilled

708
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: her drink and then they dance, like she said. He

709
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: was just at the White House or where was it.

710
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: It was some sort of a dinner. Yeah, she's just

711
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 1: picture was an old like in the nineties. But they

712
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: had the best time. You know, it's so funny. It

713
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: was just thinking because as a parent, like you know,

714
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: you want to do anything to please your kids, you know,

715
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 1: like if they have a problem, you want to try

716
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: to fix it in some way, even when they probably

717
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 1: are older. And so if you have sort of your

718
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: if if your dad's the president of the free world,

719
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: and you have real feelings about something, it's almost hard

720
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: as a parent to be like, well, sorry, like this

721
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: is the way I want to do it, even though

722
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: I know you girls are so passionate about this, you know,

723
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: because you have the power to affect policy at that point. Yeah,

724
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: because you're playing to your dad's love and heart strengths.

725
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: And yeah yeah, although we weren't like and you know

726
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: again like we were so I mean, college is just

727
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: such a selfish time because you're like innately for everybody.

728
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,360
Speaker 1: You're trying to figure out what you study, who you

729
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: want to be, what friends you want around you, like whatever,

730
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: And so it was, you know, and you know everything

731
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:55,399
Speaker 1: and you don't want to talk to your parents about

732
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: it because they don't know anything. Yes, like we just

733
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: sort of I mean there were definitely only times I

734
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: think where we both would call and be like dad,

735
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: you know, think about way. But but not like in

736
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:09,359
Speaker 1: our day to day do you know what I mean?

737
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 1: We weren't like working advisors to the president, of course not.

738
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: I mean the thing is right when he got off,

739
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 1: as nine to eleven happens too, which is just That's

740
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: what I was going to say, is nine to eleven

741
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 1: happened so early in his presidency that I think when

742
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,800
Speaker 1: we were around him, we just wanted to be funny

743
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: and make him laugh and entertain him and try to

744
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: provide some levity so that he wasn't thinking. You know,

745
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: we didn't know what he was on his mind when

746
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: we were with him, and he obviously never would bring

747
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: it up because he didn't want to put any weight

748
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:40,919
Speaker 1: on us in that way. But I think we tried

749
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: harder to like entertain him whenever we were around him

750
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 1: rather than bring up anything difficult. I wonder too, I mean,

751
00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: think about it, it's like keepin like, you know, your uncle,

752
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:56,360
Speaker 1: like everybody in your family is like very kind of

753
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: politically focused. I mean most that does ever do you

754
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: ever have moments where you're just like like angry at

755
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: them for any kind of like ideas or ideology or

756
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, I mean like all families and particularly over

757
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: you know, in the last decade, you know, there's some

758
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: families that can't sit across from each other, and because

759
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: politics have become so divisive and alarizing, and so, you know,

760
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: in the time when everybody was having those conversations, which

761
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:36,279
Speaker 1: I guess is still now, but particularly in that sort

762
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: of arab which I know you're you know what I'm

763
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 1: referring to, Like we were like all families and conversations

764
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:48,960
Speaker 1: where everybody would have different points of views, yeah, but

765
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,080
Speaker 1: mostly all sort of so, you know, and I think,

766
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: but I think that's sort of what And somebody said

767
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: us to me once. They were like, so you're a

768
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:05,000
Speaker 1: parent and your grandparents put humanity above political party And

769
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 1: I was like flabberg asked it, like I was like, yes,

770
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: like are we supposed to be? Yeah, I don't know

771
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:15,360
Speaker 1: if that makes sense, but like they haven't always voted

772
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: for the Republican Canada because they again, like they're open

773
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 1: and they ex send that you know, that's public knowledge,

774
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: but they're open and they it's like a case by case,

775
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 1: you know. And I think there's like nuance and our

776
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: families conversation, which is like what's missing so much? Oh god,

777
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 1: it's gone. It's going away rapidly. If it's if not

778
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:38,800
Speaker 1: already gone, now there is there is no. It's not

779
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: about ideology, it's not about what you believe in, what's

780
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: in your heart. It's just about power and sort of

781
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: staying in power and staying in power at all costs.

782
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,959
Speaker 1: And it's just so crazy. What does this say about

783
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: public service? What kid wants to be president now? And

784
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:56,800
Speaker 1: what kid wants to be Like, I want to be

785
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:59,279
Speaker 1: president of the United States, it's like, no fucking way,

786
00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: Look look at this, like, look at the mess who

787
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 1: wants to get into politics? And now people always, I

788
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: mean obviously our whole life, people have always said to us,

789
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: as they probably have to any member of our family,

790
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: are you going to go into politics? And we used

791
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: to be so aggressively. We would respond so aggressively, like

792
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: on the account of three we'd say no, like as

793
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:24,439
Speaker 1: loud as we could, basically, And now I would still

794
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 1: say no. But it breaks my heart because I actually,

795
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: you know, it's really sad if people don't want to

796
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: go into political office or don't want to go into service.

797
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: You know, that's such a disheartening time. But it's so

798
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: impossible to be in that world right now. Yeah, there's

799
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: no respect, there's no sense of you know, camaraderie or

800
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: you know, solution oriented. People stopped listening for some reason.

801
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: They're they're all playing up to be like the loud

802
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: person in the room. And yeah, I don't know, real quick.

803
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 1: Getting back to you guys though for a second, because

804
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: you were so in separable high school, growing up everything,

805
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 1: and then boom, now you're off to different colleges. I mean,

806
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: was that a break tough for you guys, was it difficult? Well,

807
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,520
Speaker 1: when we were little, and this is like another benefit

808
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,280
Speaker 1: to our parents, they sent us to different camps, different

809
00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: summer camps, oh wow, which was so smart since we

810
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: were seven, so we had to navigate by ourselves and

811
00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: you know, be on our own and make friends by yourself,

812
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 1: which was really smart. I feel like it wasn't hard

813
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 1: to separate for college. It was almost like we got

814
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: double the college experience. Like we got like I'd go

815
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: stay with Jenna all the time. She would come visit

816
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: me all the time, and I was friends with her

817
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: friends and she was friends with my friends at Yell

818
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: and still now, so it was kind of it was

819
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: only additive when we separated, like we got to then

820
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 1: live through each other. Also, did you ever get to

821
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,280
Speaker 1: spend any time in the White House? Yes? Yes, okay,

822
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 1: so you would like sleep sleep there? You did you

823
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: have rooms? Yeah? Rooms? And our mom was really smart

824
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: she put two queen beds in each of our rooms

825
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,319
Speaker 1: so that we would come and bring a ton of friends. Right.

826
00:48:10,920 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 1: Did you ever bring your boyfriends there? Yeah? Yeah? Okay,

827
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:19,879
Speaker 1: So did you make love in the White House? My god, Oliver, Yes,

828
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:27,040
Speaker 1: come on, you's been ter make up. Well, I'm trying

829
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: to be sensitive here, you know, somewhat respectful. Right, we're

830
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: talking about the White House. You got to make love

831
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: and listen, remember if I'm I'm sure we did. But

832
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:49,560
Speaker 1: that's probably comment. That's so funny. Could you imagine that

833
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 1: like that, like just going to your friend's house like

834
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: in college, being like, hey, why don't you come, Like

835
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 1: we're gonna like visit our parents. Just go and hang

836
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,719
Speaker 1: out at the White House. By the way, That's how

837
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: we would have talked about it too, like yeah, oh,

838
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: we're going home to see our mom and dad. I

839
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: mean that's how we That really is how we thought

840
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 1: of it. But it was it was a fun place

841
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: for some parties. Yeah, I'm sure. I mean I would

842
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: also think what about what about is it haunted? Yeah?

843
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: It is? It is? Wow, definitely. What do you mean

844
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: how do you know we heard a ghost? No, but

845
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 1: you didn't believe me the first time the first my

846
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:33,680
Speaker 1: phone rang because this was like again, we were how

847
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 1: old like phone We're twenty and we had a Nokia

848
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:39,479
Speaker 1: phone that rang. You know, we'd like boyfriends or friends

849
00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: that would call at like three in the morning, you know. Now,

850
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: that's like when my alarm clock goes off. But anyway,

851
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: we like somebody all all the night. And we were

852
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: staying with our parents for the summer. I was working

853
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: at a charter school. Where were you doing, Sissy something,

854
00:49:53,320 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: no idea, but we were both there, Yeah, we were

855
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: both there. The phone rang. I answered it like, I

856
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: was like, I'm asleep, like i'll call you tomorrow. Hung

857
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: up and I was still awake, and I heard opera

858
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not not like somebody could be listening. It's

859
00:50:07,080 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 1: the middle of the night. We both had fireplaces in

860
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: our room that we never used, but they were there,

861
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:16,360
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, like I felt like it

862
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: wasn't just like hearing I felt like a gush of

863
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,600
Speaker 1: wind and like somebody singing opera loud, like as if

864
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: they were fucking fireplace. Sorry for the bad words. So

865
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: I ran in and I jumped and Barber's room was

866
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 1: right next to my. I ran in, I like jumped

867
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 1: in her bed. It was like so scared and she

868
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, it's not that. And then Barbara

869
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: two nights later, two nights later, I was we were

870
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: sleeping in the same room. I was in Jenna's room,

871
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 1: we had both fallen asleep, and all of a sudden

872
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: we hear like nineteen twenties piano music, Yes, coming from

873
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: the fireplace, but as if someone was there playing the pop.

874
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: Chelsea had the same thing. I have to ask Chell,

875
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: is I wonder that she had any of those experiences.

876
00:51:02,800 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. She was there more than we were,

877
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 1: so she might out. But we we But then the

878
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:10,080
Speaker 1: next morning, I like, we talk ourselves out of it.

879
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: There's a there is a piano outside the outside our room.

880
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:18,840
Speaker 1: So we're like, possibly it's like the cat that was

881
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 1: playing like twenty marritime walk out the Cats like that,

882
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:33,480
Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, something's really weird. We and then

883
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:38,359
Speaker 1: I went outside. First, who we loved named Buddy who

884
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: just retired act was there and I was like, Buddy,

885
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:45,320
Speaker 1: you're not gonna it was closed. Yeah, the piano was closed.

886
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: I mean we just said that to ourselves. Were sleeping purposes,

887
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:50,520
Speaker 1: go back to sleep. And I was like, Buddy, gosh,

888
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: like you won't believe what we heard. And he was like, oh, Jenna,

889
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: like that's like you wouldn't even bath them. Then as

890
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: saying the sweet scene around here, that's oh. But those

891
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: were our two experiences, But of course, I mean it's

892
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 1: the I mean, think about how many different people have

893
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: been in the White House, you know, throughout the years,

894
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: and like fraught each of the time. It's like, but

895
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: they were friendly because music. That's just the one time,

896
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 1: or did it happened more? It happened twice, just twice,

897
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: just twice the other things that other people like. Remember

898
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: Reagan had that story of like a foot prince and

899
00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: then she found out that a baby had died, and

900
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 1: the baby had died in the White House. Yeah, and

901
00:52:38,719 --> 00:52:43,040
Speaker 1: saw baby footprints in her room. Yeah, there's probably so

902
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: much secretive stuff that goes down in that place. I mean,

903
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,040
Speaker 1: baby footprints is that's even weirder because my baby's walking.

904
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,640
Speaker 1: There are more and also they're well like a one

905
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: year old baby was like baby footprints is like really creepy,

906
00:52:59,080 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: like a walking baby. It's just nuts. Oh my god.

907
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: You guys have done a lot of writing. It's kind

908
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: of manifested its way into these children's books, and so

909
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:11,719
Speaker 1: wanted I want to make sure we touch on this

910
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:14,719
Speaker 1: a little bit. So when did you guys decide? Well,

911
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 1: first of all, your first book was really really about

912
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:21,479
Speaker 1: you guys together wasn't it with the bestseller New York Times.

913
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: How was that experience for you? It was. We decided

914
00:53:26,640 --> 00:53:29,800
Speaker 1: to do it on the day after the twenty election,

915
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:36,759
Speaker 1: and we had a meeting Bugked and we went with

916
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,759
Speaker 1: like to talk about actually the children's book. That's where

917
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: we were going to start, which is easier, I said,

918
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:47,439
Speaker 1: I don't take so long to write. Then we both

919
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: felt like so much night. I had spent the night

920
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 1: before with Jenna to watch the election results come in

921
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 1: in New York. We lived for blocks from each other,

922
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: and I went over there and the night got later

923
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,759
Speaker 1: and later, so I just spent the night with her

924
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 1: and her bed and my husband. Yeah, her husband was

925
00:54:03,480 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 1: out of town. So when we woke up the next morning,

926
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: we were going to this meeting about a children's book,

927
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: and we were both so surprised by the election results,

928
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:15,320
Speaker 1: like so many people were when they woke up the

929
00:54:15,360 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 1: day after the election in twenty sixteen. And we had

930
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 1: realized that we'd spent so many election nights together, some

931
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: on elections that were more personal, you know, like so much,

932
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 1: you know, involving our family, all of which were important

933
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: for the country. And we ended up deciding on the

934
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: subway to our book meeting to write instead of a

935
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,440
Speaker 1: children's book, to write a book of short essays that

936
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 1: were more sort of a love letter to each other,

937
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:44,439
Speaker 1: to having a sister and a partner in our life,

938
00:54:44,480 --> 00:54:49,439
Speaker 1: and also a love letter to our family members, sort

939
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,600
Speaker 1: of around the bigger message of what we've been talking

940
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: about that like humanity is what matters and not you know,

941
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: devotion to your political party, and trying to show these

942
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: other sides of people that had chosen service and normalize

943
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,920
Speaker 1: that experience. I mean, that's what it ended up being.

944
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:06,120
Speaker 1: I don't think we knew it was going to be

945
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:08,480
Speaker 1: that in the moment, I think, and at first we

946
00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: were like, we want a love layer to sisterhood because

947
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,800
Speaker 1: no matter like what political party you were in the

948
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 1: way women were talked about in the twenty sixteen election

949
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 1: was not okay with us. And at that time I

950
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: had two little girls, like a brand new baby girl

951
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:28,720
Speaker 1: who's now six, but like you know, a tiny infant,

952
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,400
Speaker 1: and I just was like, this is not the direction

953
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:35,520
Speaker 1: we need for our girls. And so that's that we

954
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: decided really like around, oh that's great. So it was

955
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: inspired by I love that, okay. So then that and

956
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 1: then that was a best seller, and then you finally

957
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 1: got to now do your children's book, which I got

958
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:46,799
Speaker 1: to read to my daughter yesterday, which I was really

959
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:51,560
Speaker 1: happy about. Its super cute, superpower sisterhood. Yeah, and so

960
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:55,640
Speaker 1: it's all around Like so the first book was really

961
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: about blood sisters like Barbara and I are, but this

962
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 1: is all around friend Like I think I know, okay,

963
00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:05,880
Speaker 1: from friends, but mutual friends that we haven't that you

964
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,799
Speaker 1: have like a group of women that make you feel

965
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:11,440
Speaker 1: powerful and brave, and Barbara and I have that same thing,

966
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: not you know, not only in each other, but in

967
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: our colleagues. Like I don't know what I would do

968
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: without Savannah and Hoodah, they like are my lifeline. They

969
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: pick up my kids from the bust when I'm out

970
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:25,399
Speaker 1: of town. Like, it's just about how we want our

971
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: girls to support each other and to love each other,

972
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 1: and how each of us have talents that are you know, human,

973
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: but together with our group of friends, they can become

974
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: like super powerful. Yeah. And I think it's such an

975
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:45,440
Speaker 1: important message because it's okay to remind ourselves that as women,

976
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 1: we are predisposed based on history historically, how women had

977
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: to you know, protect themselves, that we are predisposed to

978
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: compete with each other that we need to actually change

979
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 1: the way that old part of our brain. Yeah, you know,

980
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 1: can react to other women like that. We actually are

981
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,359
Speaker 1: much stronger when we're supporting and connected to each other

982
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 1: than the old ways we've been taught through sort of

983
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: you know, the patriarchy and all of that with patriots happier,

984
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: you know, triarchy much happier and be rounded by a

985
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 1: group of funny Oh my god, it's just are you

986
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 1: blaming the patriarchy for no, no, no, I'm no, yes,

987
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 1: well I'm surrounded by men. I wish I had I

988
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 1: have three brothers. But also, like what we hope with

989
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: this book, and I see this with my daughters. My

990
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 1: daughters and Samannah Guthrie's daughter are best friends, and like

991
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: the way they act to each other is how I

992
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: want Mela to have friends for the rest of our life,

993
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: because Mila, you want and Brene Brown actually like writes

994
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 1: about this, but you want in your life that make

995
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: you feel like anything that you have that's innately yours

996
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:08,480
Speaker 1: is powerful and awesome. So like as opposed to like. So,

997
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:11,439
Speaker 1: for example, I said to MELI said, how was bail

998
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: in the play and she goes, oh, mom, she was spectacular,

999
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:19,200
Speaker 1: and like, that's who I wanted to be friends. I

1000
00:58:19,240 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: don't want like Brene Brown calls them like the candle

1001
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,480
Speaker 1: blower outers, like the person that would be like, oh

1002
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:31,720
Speaker 1: you like math ough, Yeah, you like dance dances were babies,

1003
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: Like it's they're allowed to do whatever they want. But

1004
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: if the little candle blower a blower outer comes over

1005
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,120
Speaker 1: here and ups like that in front of them, I

1006
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:43,479
Speaker 1: don't know how I'm gonna respond. You're gonna be like, bye,

1007
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: you're not hanging out with them? Well, because it's time

1008
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:50,680
Speaker 1: for you to go home. Like I always had somebody that,

1009
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: I mean, there were mean girls and there's that period

1010
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: of like seventh grade and sixth grade that's just awful

1011
00:58:56,800 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 1: for anybody, you know, But like I innately hadn't and Barbara,

1012
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 1: you know, so I look for it now in whoever

1013
00:59:05,120 --> 00:59:07,560
Speaker 1: I'm going to surround myself with. Barbara, what are you

1014
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: going to say? I agree with that. I also think like,

1015
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a good reminder that you have to

1016
00:59:12,760 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: walk the walk too. I mean, you know, thinking of

1017
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:17,440
Speaker 1: myself that I have to walk the walk too. And

1018
00:59:19,600 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: in that like when you're little, You're always watching what

1019
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: your parents do. And if your mom walks the I

1020
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: mean key, I think from what I know about you,

1021
00:59:28,080 --> 00:59:29,800
Speaker 1: you do this. If your mom walks the walk in

1022
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 1: that way, then that's what you think is the norm. Yeah,

1023
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 1: and I think that, you know. I mean that goes

1024
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: back to what we were saying about our grandfather. He

1025
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: was so humble that we thought everyone acted like that.

1026
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: Like it's only when you get older that you realize

1027
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,720
Speaker 1: that's not the case. But it's I mean, it's hurt.

1028
00:59:45,880 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 1: It's so easy to say when you're not in an

1029
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:50,480
Speaker 1: emotional moment, but our lives are only additive because of

1030
00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: each other. Like, my success is not diminished because of

1031
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: your success. Rationally, we know that. And then you have

1032
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,680
Speaker 1: to hold yourself accountable to being the person you want

1033
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: to be. I just own my disdain and anger for

1034
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: people who make more money than me and are more successful.

1035
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 1: You just own it. It's like, okay, yeah, you made

1036
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: two million dollars for that piece of shit, Like God,

1037
01:00:13,040 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: all right, whatever, you know, I own it. Cool. You're

1038
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: not in the super Bowers Sisterhood. You got well convert

1039
01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 1: you yeah, join you joined the sisterhood. Every Halloween. I

1040
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,479
Speaker 1: do pretty much. You guys ever fight doing the book?

1041
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean like no, I don't want to say that

1042
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: or this pictureself? Never? Wow? Never do you guys fight? Yeah?

1043
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 1: We we haven't fought in a long time. But it

1044
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:46,000
Speaker 1: was all about I mean, it was primarily about clothes really, yeah,

1045
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 1: the sharing sharing. We had a hard time learning how

1046
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:53,320
Speaker 1: to share it okay and how to share it better.

1047
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,200
Speaker 1: I would give anything to have a sister that I

1048
01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 1: would fight over sharing clothes with. Sometimes when I when

1049
01:00:59,800 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 1: I think about, like whenever we interview sisters or my

1050
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 1: friends you have sisters, it's like it's like looking at

1051
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,200
Speaker 1: like it's like looking at I feel like it's like

1052
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: an alien relationship to me. Do you know what I mean?

1053
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: My mom is the closest thing I have to that feeling. Yeah, yeah,

1054
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: I mean we have it's sort of different because we

1055
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:27,000
Speaker 1: have cousins that we're acted like brothers. So like I

1056
01:01:27,080 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 1: feel like a sister is harder to replicate than a brother,

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01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:37,040
Speaker 1: no offense. It's fine. In his older age, he's bringing

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01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:41,760
Speaker 1: more of femininity. I'm extremely feminist, you know, I feel

1059
01:01:41,960 --> 01:01:46,480
Speaker 1: always I feel like like my sister's very very emotional.

1060
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:51,080
Speaker 1: Is he cries with me. I'm very empathetic major anxiety,

1061
01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, Yes, I mean I mean that doesn't act.

1062
01:01:57,240 --> 01:02:02,320
Speaker 1: That's not like a gender specific Well, let's do this round, okay, cool?

1063
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: All right? One word to describe each other. Funny, brilliant Okay,

1064
01:02:09,200 --> 01:02:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm describing for BRep. Obviously I'm bribing you all. Yeah,

1065
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: brilliant and funny. Okay. Who was the boundary pusher? Uh? Me?

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01:02:21,040 --> 01:02:26,480
Speaker 1: Probably her. I'm gonna assume that Jenny your boss here

1067
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: as well? Who's boss here? Yeah? Yeah? Or like some

1068
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: holiday I'm not or I guess my kids gave it

1069
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: to me. I'm like looking around to find out I'm

1070
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:40,720
Speaker 1: not the boss. I'm not bossy. I'm the boss. Okay?

1071
01:02:40,920 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 1: Who was? Now? We we actually interviewed another uh this

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01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:50,640
Speaker 1: man who's wonderful, who's researched siblings and sibling dynamics, who said,

1073
01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: there's always a favorite and it does change that usually

1074
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,480
Speaker 1: with a family, there is a favorite child and then

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01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:01,000
Speaker 1: it can move around. Is there a favorite child with

1076
01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: you two? Now? They're me Barbara is now. But when

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01:03:05,320 --> 01:03:09,360
Speaker 1: we were Barbarbara was my mom's favorite, and I was

1078
01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:13,000
Speaker 1: my dad's. And now it's just pure barbar is it

1079
01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:20,480
Speaker 1: all Barbara All the time. I see it down grandchildren,

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01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:23,760
Speaker 1: I can tell which grandchild is sort of in the

1081
01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 1: favorite spot, right, Yeah, you know, do your parents admit it?

1082
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:31,080
Speaker 1: They're just like, yeah, oh Barbs the famous, Oh for sure,

1083
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: but probably behind my back. And they admitted it to you. No,

1084
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: definitely not oh wonderful behind my back, right, guys, they

1085
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 1: actually said it. First concert, Paul, Yeah, Paul Simon, Graceland tour. Oh,

1086
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: by the way, good one love Barbara first Bring that's

1087
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:03,160
Speaker 1: the first album was so good, Broke It's the best.

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01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: The first one we went to by ourselves was Pearl

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01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 1: Jam and I was looked up and Barbara and we

1090
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: were like, yeah, we were probably too young to be

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01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:12,960
Speaker 1: by ourselves. And looked up and Barbara was like a

1092
01:04:13,120 --> 01:04:16,480
Speaker 1: tiny she still is, but was like a little tiny

1093
01:04:17,240 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: tu Men was like Crown Surfee. So what a song

1094
01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:28,880
Speaker 1: do you remember? Was it? Like? Black? Like? What song

1095
01:04:29,040 --> 01:04:32,600
Speaker 1: was it? Yeah? I probably was Black. We were thirteen.

1096
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,320
Speaker 1: It was the early nineties. We were old. Jam was

1097
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: the best. Who's more of a prankster? Probably Manna Jenna

1098
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 1: in April Fool's Day is Jenna's best holiday. I love it.

1099
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,479
Speaker 1: She loves I forgot about it this year. I didn't

1100
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: go all in. I usually like, yeah, we do some

1101
01:04:55,280 --> 01:05:01,840
Speaker 1: really wonderful, wonderful Okay, who is the better student? Barbara

1102
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 1: b who's more artistic? We didn't even get into your

1103
01:05:06,440 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: dad's painting. He's good. I think it depends she's more

1104
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 1: artistic in them. I'm more. I'm more of a writer,

1105
01:05:16,080 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: she's more of a painter. God know what about first

1106
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: celebrity crush? Oh my gosh, Jonathan Brandis from the movie Ladybugs.

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01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,320
Speaker 1: I I don't even know r P. It's horrible. Do

1108
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:35,400
Speaker 1: you remember Jonathan Brandas? Did he pass away? So my

1109
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:37,600
Speaker 1: ex girlfriend I did it for three years. The name

1110
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: is Vanessa Shaw and she was the star of Ladybugs.

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01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:45,040
Speaker 1: Of Lady It was so good. Oh yeah, it's like

1112
01:05:45,080 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 1: a soccer movie. I don't about about it? Was it

1113
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: a soccer movie? I had so many I can't even

1114
01:05:56,000 --> 01:05:59,400
Speaker 1: pick one. It was like LUs three. Who were your first?

1115
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:08,439
Speaker 1: Top My was Corey haym Okay, Joey McIntyre, Ollie McIntyre,

1116
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:12,160
Speaker 1: New Kids, New kids on the block. I like Nicole

1117
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: Eggert that she was like it for me, Charles in Charge.

1118
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:20,600
Speaker 1: You can tell we're all at the same time. Okay,

1119
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 1: who is more organized sissy? Who's more of a minimalist?

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01:06:27,880 --> 01:06:34,920
Speaker 1: Mem I just have three children? Who's more of an asshole? Oliver?

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01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: That's actually really interesting. Who's more of an asshole? I

1122
01:06:40,800 --> 01:06:46,920
Speaker 1: got your question, and Barbara's like, Barbara can be an asshole,

1123
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:54,320
Speaker 1: but I think Barber's more Monascal. That is not true.

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01:06:55,400 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 1: Are remember when you texted me, I'm I'm sure you're

1125
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:06,400
Speaker 1: more of an asshole. You're just a quiet asshole. That's

1126
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:10,680
Speaker 1: so funny. I remember when I texted you don't or

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01:07:10,760 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: what what did I text? You? Will tell me if

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01:07:13,800 --> 01:07:16,280
Speaker 1: your text of me, you're kind of like deeply inside

1129
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of an asshole about like scratchiness, sure

1130
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,640
Speaker 1: to be scratched. It's so interesting. Who's more of an

1131
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:31,920
Speaker 1: asshole with us? You? No way, I'm not an asshole

1132
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,520
Speaker 1: at all, but you say the most asshole? Yeah, but

1133
01:07:35,920 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 1: is a joke? You a like, I am so not

1134
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: an asshole, but you're more of an asshole than I am.

1135
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: But I'm but I'm not like what give me one

1136
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:49,000
Speaker 1: thing that I've ever seen? You's got to pull everyone

1137
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 1: around us. No, I actually think this is what I

1138
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: think is. I'm not saying you're an asshole, an asshole

1139
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,520
Speaker 1: than I am. I think because you're funny, I can

1140
01:07:58,560 --> 01:08:01,480
Speaker 1: get away. You get away with things. Therefore, but deep

1141
01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 1: down you really are asking no way? Yeah, I think so,

1142
01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm too nice to be a no. You think you're

1143
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: so nice, but really, deep down you think about it.

1144
01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 1: I care too much about feelings. Get I'm gonna text.

1145
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:24,599
Speaker 1: Now you're texting family affair. No, we have our family

1146
01:08:24,680 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 1: affair group text text them ask who are family? Is

1147
01:08:27,960 --> 01:08:30,519
Speaker 1: more of an asshole? No way, it would start too

1148
01:08:30,600 --> 01:08:34,839
Speaker 1: much of a battle. The funniest part is the word asshole.

1149
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: That exactly well, you're definitely more of a dickhead. I'll

1150
01:08:41,360 --> 01:08:48,679
Speaker 1: take I'll take that. Protective you know, ye a good one.

1151
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: Finish it up? Was that the last question? No, the

1152
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 1: first time I've ever asked. Okay, one bucket list item.

1153
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 1: One thing you haven't done that you really want to do? Well,

1154
01:09:04,160 --> 01:09:06,639
Speaker 1: I mean, one thing I want to do again because

1155
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,719
Speaker 1: I haven't been doing it is travel. That's not very exciting,

1156
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:13,920
Speaker 1: but I feel like my life has been limited. You

1157
01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: just went on the Orient Express from harrors So in

1158
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: the Friday. Now she's got the bug again. I've got

1159
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: big time sounds amazing. I would love to. I mean

1160
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:34,479
Speaker 1: that's in Meanwhile, it's like I've gone to forward texts. Yeah,

1161
01:09:35,880 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 1: job every day and three children. So when Barbara's like

1162
01:09:38,320 --> 01:09:40,880
Speaker 1: I just would love to like get back out there

1163
01:09:40,920 --> 01:09:45,080
Speaker 1: in the world, I'm like, we're postcard from Venice. You like, yeah,

1164
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:47,760
Speaker 1: you like you like took the kids to Garrison, New York.

1165
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:53,840
Speaker 1: She's the asshole for sure. It's got amass. You got

1166
01:09:53,960 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 1: to wake up every day at three in the morning.

1167
01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: I love to travel a little like eat it, Barbara. Okay,

1168
01:10:03,160 --> 01:10:07,760
Speaker 1: so what is your bucket list? Well, I'd like to

1169
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 1: learn how to sing. J Loo said that her book,

1170
01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 1: Well Jlo said this via Hoda, so I'm not you know,

1171
01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:22,599
Speaker 1: but that her vocal coach can teach anybody how to sing.

1172
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:25,280
Speaker 1: And as Barbara alluded to, I wanted to be a

1173
01:10:25,320 --> 01:10:28,639
Speaker 1: Broadway star when I was a small child. So I'd

1174
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,760
Speaker 1: like to go to Jlo's coach and learn, like not

1175
01:10:31,880 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 1: how to be j Lo, but like how to carry

1176
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 1: a tune. You know that's I'm not sure what it's for,

1177
01:10:37,320 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 1: very right, yeah, but do you can achieve this? See,

1178
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 1: Kate is a really good singer, so I know she

1179
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:49,320
Speaker 1: is I've seen the films that she's this. I love

1180
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:54,040
Speaker 1: to sing. Oh, okay, I'm gonna wait. Two more things.

1181
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: Tequila or vodka. Tequila if I'm going out at night

1182
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,080
Speaker 1: because it's an upper and vodka if I'd like to

1183
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: go to sleep and wake up at three in the morning. Okay,

1184
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,040
Speaker 1: But like Desert Island, what are you doing? What are

1185
01:11:08,040 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: you bring in? Well, I guess I'm gonna need the

1186
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: energy on itla and the men I drink lemon in

1187
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 1: my drinks far freshing. I'd say vodka, but I've i've

1188
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: my drinking buying the bars. But she slowed it down,

1189
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 1: slowed the drinking. Damn almost halt. Okay. One other thing,

1190
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:44,000
Speaker 1: beach or mountains. Beach, I like a mountain on the beach.

1191
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Why either or Barcelona. It's mountainous.

1192
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:58,240
Speaker 1: Barcelona looks kind of like l a Lusha, kind of

1193
01:11:58,479 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: right the hill you can climb, you know, Okay, all

1194
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 1: you want to ask the last one two parter, two

1195
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:11,200
Speaker 1: part questions. So, if there is one thing that you

1196
01:12:11,280 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 1: could alleviate from your sister to make her life easier,

1197
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:18,800
Speaker 1: what would that be? And then the flip of that is,

1198
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 1: if there was something that you could take from her,

1199
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: that you could make, You could take for yourself, something

1200
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:28,800
Speaker 1: that you admire, that you wish that you had. What

1201
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:33,760
Speaker 1: would that be. It's a very very deep question, the

1202
01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:36,400
Speaker 1: need to I can give my sister more hours in

1203
01:12:36,479 --> 01:12:39,599
Speaker 1: the day. My sister does a lot, she has three kids.

1204
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 1: She wakes up at the crack of dawn and is

1205
01:12:41,880 --> 01:12:44,679
Speaker 1: on TV. So not alleviate, but I wish it could

1206
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:48,679
Speaker 1: give you more time. I would love more time, Thank you, sissy.

1207
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:54,280
Speaker 1: What I would alleviate because sometimes you have of her

1208
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:58,360
Speaker 1: time sleeping? It was my powers little can you see me? Yeah?

1209
01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:01,559
Speaker 1: What I would take away. What I would give take

1210
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: away from her is the ability not to sleep well,

1211
01:13:04,120 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 1: because sometimes she doesn't sleep well and that messes with her.

1212
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:10,840
Speaker 1: I would love that. I love sleep. It's one of

1213
01:13:10,920 --> 01:13:15,200
Speaker 1: life's great joys. And then what would you take like,

1214
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:18,080
Speaker 1: is there something that you wish you had for yourself

1215
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:21,639
Speaker 1: that your sister possessed. Oh? I know it doesn't really

1216
01:13:22,120 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 1: come into play now in my midlife, but I wish

1217
01:13:26,080 --> 01:13:29,479
Speaker 1: that I could have taken her SAT score and also

1218
01:13:29,880 --> 01:13:32,519
Speaker 1: her ability to do math as a child, because she

1219
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: missed one problem or two problems on her math show.

1220
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:40,599
Speaker 1: If I could have taken that little part of her brain.

1221
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: I'm good at the standardized test. Yeah, I mean have

1222
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:46,720
Speaker 1: taken one in years, but I was good at them.

1223
01:13:47,320 --> 01:13:49,439
Speaker 1: I no longer need that, but that would have come

1224
01:13:49,479 --> 01:13:54,519
Speaker 1: in handy before I will take my sister's ability new

1225
01:13:54,840 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: upcoming ability to sing great. That is such bullshit. Come

1226
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: up with some rty hut. I'm fine, you're about to

1227
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:09,360
Speaker 1: have it. Well, it's not actually in the works, but okay,

1228
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:14,840
Speaker 1: that was a very assholy answer. It's the other thing

1229
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:17,640
Speaker 1: that I would take for your energy. I think you

1230
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 1: have good energy. I do. Okay, it's great, settled, perfect

1231
01:14:24,760 --> 01:14:28,200
Speaker 1: you guys, Thank you, so happy to talk and chat.

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01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:31,000
Speaker 1: I'm glad you guys came on. Thanks for having us. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I hope to see you soon. All right, God, guys,

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01:14:34,439 --> 01:14:41,679
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, go see you later. Sibling Revelry

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01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:45,040
Speaker 1: is executive produced by Kate Hudson and Oliver Hudson. Producer

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01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 1: is Alison. President, editor is Josh Wendish. Music by Mark

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01:14:49,240 --> 01:14:52,640
Speaker 1: Hudson aka Uncle Mark. If you want to show us

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