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Speaker 1: Hi, this is Chase Utley and this is the Phillies Show.

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Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, Welcome to The Philly Show with Ruben Tomorrow, Junior,

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Speaker 2: Jim Salisbury. I'm todd z Lucky. We have a very

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Speaker 2: special Philly Show for you today. Chase Sutley, greatest second

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Speaker 2: basement in franchise history, two thousand and eight World Series champion,

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Speaker 2: no doubt about it, Phillies Hall of Famer, potential Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer, was just in town recently to promote the

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four London series between the Phillies and Mets

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Speaker 2: June eighth and ninth at London Stadium. While he was here,

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Speaker 2: Chase was gracious enough with his time to sit down

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Speaker 2: with Rubin, Jim and I for almost an hour. We

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Speaker 2: covered a lot of ground. We talked about London, life

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Speaker 2: in Europe, and of course a lot of great Philly stories.

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Speaker 2: without further ado, here is the Phillies Show conversation with

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Speaker 2: Chase Utley. Chase, thank you so much for spending some

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Speaker 2: time with us. You're in town to promote the London series.

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Speaker 2: How excited are you to have the Phillies come to

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Speaker 2: town and playing this last year was the Cubs and

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals. This has got to be a bigger thrill

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Speaker 2: for you.

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Speaker 1: I'm much much bigger thrill. First of all, thanks for

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Speaker 1: having me on the show. It's good to connect with

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Speaker 1: you guys. It's been a little bit a little while, yeah,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, happy to be back in town and really

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Speaker 1: fired up as the Phillies are coming to London. You

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Speaker 1: guys know this, but I've been there now, my wife

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Speaker 1: Jen and the kids. We've been there for almost two years,

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Speaker 1: exploring Europe, also promoting baseball and the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Phillies are coming town playing against their nice rival, the Mets.

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Speaker 1: It's really exciting.

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Speaker 3: Can you what's this stadium like a soccer stadium? What

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Speaker 3: are we going to say when when you know they

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Speaker 3: played ball?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a right now, it's a soccer stadium. It

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Speaker 1: was built for the Olympics when the Olympics were in London,

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Speaker 1: so it's one of the only stadiums in and around

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Speaker 1: field or a baseball pitch, if you will, meaning that's

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Speaker 1: what they call the field and in Europe, and it's

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Speaker 1: gonna be it's gonna be nice. It's it's actually when

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Speaker 4: You wouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: Able to tell that it was produced over a two

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Speaker 1: So that's it's pretty pretty unique they have.

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Speaker 3: Do they have a guinea pig who go out because

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Speaker 1: Or that would not be me? No, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: be the guinea pig. I mean MLB's kind of done

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Speaker 1: this before in other places, right, obviously other countries they

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Speaker 6: What was your impetus to get to go to.

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Speaker 5: And tell us how about the ambassadorship that?

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Speaker 6: How that? How did that happen with MLB?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So this was a conversation that Jenn and I

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Speaker 1: Right so, they know southern California, they know San Francisco,

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Speaker 6: So the MLB thing.

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Speaker 1: So the MLB thing is again, I was a little naive,

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Speaker 1: as when you're rubin you know this, Jim, Maybe you

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Speaker 1: So we had a few different conversations and it all

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Speaker 3: Where else have you, you know, used London as your base?

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Speaker 1: We've we've checked a lot of boxes, we've been to

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Speaker 1: We've done three or four trips to Italy, different parts

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Speaker 6: Well, that's got to be. That's what an experience.

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Speaker 2: Have your kids picked up any English slang and used

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Speaker 1: What so that they don't have an accent, But there

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Speaker 4: Words that they use.

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Speaker 1: They'll use lou occasionally, which is a bathroom. A word

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 4: Interesting do you use that?

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Speaker 4: It makes you sound sistic, doesn't it?

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Speaker 2: I mean, everything makes you sound more sophistic.

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Speaker 3: How long did it take you to learn how to

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Speaker 4: We don't drive because of.

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Speaker 1: the best advice I got was just worst case scenario,

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Speaker 4: It's like the roundabouts or opposite right.

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Speaker 2: It's like that scene in European vacation, you know, big

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Speaker 2: you know, do you ever get recognized over there? I'm

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Speaker 2: curious if you're walking through to follower square over here,

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Speaker 2: you chase and.

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Speaker 1: You're like, I've been spotted occasionally, but not very often.

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Speaker 1: there's a few Phillies fans that recognized me. A few

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Speaker 3: You've been to Wrexham?

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Speaker 2: I think I saw Jen on an episode, like a

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Speaker 2: And if you've been up there to watch some games?

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Speaker 1: So yes, I've we've When we first moved there, we

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Speaker 1: my two boys. We were meeting Rob and Caitlin and

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Speaker 1: need more attention than others, but they always us.

438
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 3: There was that night kind of surreal, the night you

439
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 3: were traded, because you were you were. I remember you

440
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,720
Speaker 3: were leaning on the railing and there was nothing a

441
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,840
Speaker 3: fit show. We were bugging the heck out. We were

442
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 3: from what's going on. He was not taking phone calls,

443
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:11,040
Speaker 3: he was ignoring us, And yeah, and then you know,

444
00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 3: the word is kind of out there, but it's not official.

445
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,040
Speaker 3: And then I actually remember you walking out. You shook

446
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: the picture's hand and after I think you guys wanted

447
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: walking back to the dugout steps and you gave the

448
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:25,160
Speaker 3: crowd a little wave, and I'm like, this thing is done.

449
00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm gonna have to go back time.

450
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,119
Speaker 6: And I don't remember I was.

451
00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 5: I don't remember everything about it, but we had had

452
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,640
Speaker 5: some discussions and we had talked to obviously you had

453
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 5: no trade clause and that other business.

454
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:40,359
Speaker 1: And yeah, it was a whirlwind of a few months,

455
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:43,520
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, Yeah it was.

456
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 4: It was trying to go back. So I remember I

457
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 4: got off to a.

458
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:54,520
Speaker 1: Really terrible start, one that I couldn't even fathom. And

459
00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:57,280
Speaker 1: the team was obviously not playing as well as it

460
00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 1: had been in previous years, and it was kind of

461
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:04,320
Speaker 1: trending trending down, and you know, as a as a player,

462
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:06,160
Speaker 1: you feel like I'm gonna snap out at any minute,

463
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: No big deal. Everyone's gonna fill in and we're gonna

464
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna figure this out. As a player, you don't

465
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: see the bigger picture right now that I'm out of

466
00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:17,200
Speaker 1: the game, you can kind of oversee and go, okay,

467
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,400
Speaker 1: you kind of see the landscape and you can see

468
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: kind of guess how it's going to trend. So I

469
00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:29,520
Speaker 1: did never wanted to leave Philadelphia.

470
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,320
Speaker 6: No, and he did. He made that very clear when

471
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:32,080
Speaker 6: we had discussions.

472
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 5: It's one something that that Chase never really wanted to do,

473
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 5: and I frankly did not think it was the greatest

474
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 5: thing either, But we thought for us at the time,

475
00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,120
Speaker 5: one was be the right thing for us, and two

476
00:23:44,280 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 5: being the right thing for him because I think it

477
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 5: would give him an opportunity to go to a place

478
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 5: where he would have a chance to win again and

479
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 5: with somebody and Andrew Freeman who covet into him in

480
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,439
Speaker 5: a way that was really prety special. And that was

481
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,399
Speaker 5: something that I sort of had to convince if I

482
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,639
Speaker 5: remember right, convince you of and what he meant, what

483
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:08,440
Speaker 5: he was about that kind of stuff, because that was

484
00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 5: important to you. It was important because.

485
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 6: Of the culture of the team that you've been blaming.

486
00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. And yeah, going back, I didn't

487
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: want to I never want to leave. We had a

488
00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:20,440
Speaker 1: few different discussions. Remember John was in a few different discussions.

489
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:24,680
Speaker 1: And listen, now, I completely understand the landscape at the time,

490
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,240
Speaker 1: I did not understand it as well as I do now.

491
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: Trending differently, some of these younger guys have to play

492
00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:37,719
Speaker 1: this old older guy. That's that's that's clearly obviously trending

493
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: down in his career, like, let's let's get these younger

494
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,120
Speaker 1: guys in there, get the old dude out of here,

495
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: get him to a place where he can I'm I'm

496
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 1: not saying I'm get him to a place where he

497
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: has a chance to win, because that's ultimately at that point,

498
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: that's that's what you're You're you're working out an off

499
00:24:54,880 --> 00:24:57,719
Speaker 1: season for grinding for you know, being away from your

500
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: Family're there for me at least was to another champ

501
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 1: and it.

502
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: Was your hometown team. It was probably the one team

503
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 3: you would have said yes to.

504
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, so there was I don't know if Rubens

505
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,239
Speaker 1: ever said, but there were a few different I think

506
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:11,280
Speaker 1: there were few opportunities to go other places, and because

507
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,639
Speaker 1: I had a trade clause, I said no, which made

508
00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 1: Ruben's life probably a lot harder at that time. I

509
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 1: didn't care, Listen, I'm not going there just because you

510
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,160
Speaker 1: want to get just because you want to I don't

511
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 1: know what the right term. Rebuild kind of go in

512
00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:29,240
Speaker 1: a different direction. I was going to be a little

513
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 1: selfish in that state where I don't want to go

514
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 1: to X, Y and Z, even though they want me,

515
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want them.

516
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 4: So I the.

517
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: More I thought about, the more I talked to my agent,

518
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,479
Speaker 1: the more I talk to my wife, It's like, all right,

519
00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,640
Speaker 1: the pieces are starting to come to place into place

520
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: a little bit. If I'm going to leave Philadelphia, the

521
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,560
Speaker 1: only place I want to go it would be the Dodgers.

522
00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: One because I grew up as a Dodgers fan. Two

523
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:57,000
Speaker 1: they had a really good team, so I felt like

524
00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 1: I had a good ability of, like, like scouting the

525
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,879
Speaker 1: teams going on, are these teams you still have sixty

526
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: games to play or forty games to play? These teams,

527
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 1: in my mind playing against them, looking at the roster,

528
00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: these teams have the best chance of not only getting

529
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: to the postseason, but having success in the postseason, and

530
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: I identify the Dodgers as one of those teams. I mean,

531
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: it kind of I don't know what happened. I think

532
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: Howie Kendrick maybe blew out and immediately they needed a second.

533
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't think they were in the picture whatsoever, and

534
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: tell how he.

535
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:27,480
Speaker 6: Got hurt.

536
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: So I mean, it all kind of worked out. But yeah,

537
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 1: it was a sad day I was. I mean, once

538
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: I got to the Dodgers It kind of reinvigorated me

539
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: a little bit. Now you're in a playoff atmosphere, you're

540
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: around players that you don't really know, but even though

541
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: you've played against them, which was actually fun.

542
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 5: I thought a lot about this, and one of the

543
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 5: things that I had seen in my career while I

544
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 5: was playing is Darren Dalton going to the Marlins, and

545
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 5: I felt like that was sort of a very similar

546
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 5: if you looked at the the landscape.

547
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 6: Of what was going on, Dutch went over to the Marlins.

548
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 6: He was towards the end of his career. Starting towards

549
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:07,520
Speaker 6: the end of his.

550
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 5: Career, he got an opportunity to go play in a

551
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 5: place where they were going to win, where he could

552
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,919
Speaker 5: have impact. And I think that's exactly what ended up

553
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,639
Speaker 5: happening with Chase get At some point, whether it was

554
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 5: going to be physical or part of the clubhouse, or

555
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 5: whatever the case may be, he was going to be

556
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 5: able to.

557
00:27:22,280 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 6: Impact that team in a way that was going to

558
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,600
Speaker 6: be pretty positive.

559
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,639
Speaker 2: Going back to the beginning of your career, somebody reminded

560
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:30,199
Speaker 2: me of this the other day when you got called up.

561
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: You were on a bus going to Ottawa. Do you

562
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:33,159
Speaker 2: remember this?

563
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 6: Uh?

564
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 4: Usually remember dropped I think I got dropped off somewhere.

565
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,680
Speaker 2: You got dropped off at a gas station slash subway.

566
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 4: Fort that sounds about right. Yes, you don't remember this.

567
00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: Pieces are coming to Yes, you're on a bus, Mark

568
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: bomguard got a call.

569
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 4: I don't remember who picked me up?

570
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 3: Picked up a five dollars.

571
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,679
Speaker 1: Swane picked me up. I don't remember. Yes, that that

572
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 1: is what happened. Correct, Thanks for bringing that back to

573
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: the ballpark. Someone came and picked me up.

574
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: Dropped them off at a gas station because they had

575
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: to get the Autawa. So they said, Chase, congratulations going

576
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 2: in the big leagues. We're gonna drop you off this

577
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 2: gas station slash subway. And you waited there for somebody

578
00:28:08,440 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: a clubby from Scranton to pick you up.

579
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 4: And I guess drive you to feel That's exactly what happened.

580
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 2: And this is a dumb question. But did you have

581
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 2: a I mean I guess cell phones were around then, right,

582
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:17,080
Speaker 2: I mean I guess I had one.

583
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 4: So you can you call your parents or you call

584
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 4: great question?

585
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: Yeah there thousand and three, So yeah, there was definitely

586
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 1: a cell phones.

587
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 4: Okay, so I must have.

588
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: I don't remember who I called, but I would imagine like, actually,

589
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: maybe I didn't call anybody. I don't know, but I

590
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: probably called somebody. That's but yes, now I remember getting

591
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,560
Speaker 1: off the bus called your agent Joel maybe maybe.

592
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,760
Speaker 2: And then Charlie, he tweeted this out. Charlie tweeted this

593
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: out a few years ago. In an admiring way, he says,

594
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: he remembers, I think when you got sent down the

595
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 2: famous story, as you told me, I guess you guys

596
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 2: don't want to win? Is that true?

597
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 6: Closet?

598
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: That's but that's you know, even your manager. He says

599
00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 2: it in a very very loving, admiring way.

600
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 6: Charlie, you know you love them.

601
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 5: When a guy gets sent down, you want that guy

602
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 5: to have a little you know, I have the red ass,

603
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 5: a little piss and vinegar.

604
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 6: You know, how do these stories come out taken?

605
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 1: That also is a true story, Listen, I felt I

606
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:26,160
Speaker 1: felt at that point in time. Let's see what I'm

607
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: trying to remember how it all went down. Two thousand

608
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 1: and three, I got called up. I broke camp with

609
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: the major league team because Jason Michaels had a bad hamstring.

610
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: But knowing that I was only going to be around

611
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:43,400
Speaker 1: for a while, and I don't know if it was

612
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: that year or if it was two thousand. It must

613
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: have been that year, unless it was two thousand and four,

614
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 1: do you remember.

615
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: Well, See, I always thought I thought it was something

616
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: for opening day. They had basically cleared the way for

617
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,280
Speaker 2: you to come back and be the opening day second basement,

618
00:29:58,280 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: and they started Polly at second basis.

619
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 6: That's what it was.

620
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 4: That's exactly it was.

621
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: So it was more you weren't the starting lineup on

622
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,120
Speaker 2: opening day after they base I mean ed Wade basically

623
00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 2: said in the paper, Chase Ali is going to be

624
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:11,840
Speaker 2: our opening day second basement, and then opening day comes

625
00:30:11,840 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 2: around and you're.

626
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 3: On the bench.

627
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 1: No, I got sent down. I was sent down the

628
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: exact facts of when and why I didn't make the

629
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: team or a little blurry, but yes, I was in there,

630
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:25,840
Speaker 1: and I was not happy.

631
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 4: I felt like I was one of the best twenty

632
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 4: five guys.

633
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 6: Probably true.

634
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:33,840
Speaker 4: It was just probabletely true.

635
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:34,040
Speaker 6: It was.

636
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: It was completely true, and I felt like I deserved

637
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: to make the team. I listened looking back, and I

638
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: get it. I wasn't going to play every single day.

639
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: It could slow my progression go to triple A play.

640
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 6: I get it.

641
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: I would tell some young kids now the same thing.

642
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: But at the moment, I felt like I deserved playing

643
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,160
Speaker 1: the big leagues. I felt like my talent was there,

644
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,080
Speaker 1: and I worked my ass off to get to that point.

645
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: And yeah, basically said it.

646
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:02,960
Speaker 6: You guys tell me, I guess you guys don't want

647
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 6: to win.

648
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: Word there might have been a bad word.

649
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, well yeah, yeah, that's okay.

650
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 3: Speaking of bad words, how often does someone out of

651
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 3: the blue come up to you all the time.

652
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 4: All the time?

653
00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 3: Like where.

654
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 4: Here? Obviously, I mean l a London?

655
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 3: Where in London did it happen?

656
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 1: Where was I? I was in a like a clothing.

657
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 4: Store, was in a clothing store.

658
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 1: And once another time I was walking down the street

659
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: I was in Where was I? I was in Switzerland?

660
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 1: We were on a ski trip. That's awesome, but mainly

661
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: but mainly, Yeah, what do you do?

662
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:47,479
Speaker 3: You just go?

663
00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you acknowledge it for sure? Yeah.

664
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 6: So was that something that was sort of planned? Is

665
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 6: it something you just the emotion just hit you?

666
00:31:56,320 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 5: Was it the the the was it the moment, the beer,

667
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 5: was all.

668
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: The all the about all I did? It definitely was

669
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: not planned.

670
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 6: We did.

671
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: I don't even think we knew that we were speaking, right,

672
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: So you guys know me, I'm not. I don't love

673
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: a microphone, even though it looked like I did at

674
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 1: that moment. So yeah, I didn't know what I was

675
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 1: gonna say. I knew that I had a lot of energy,

676
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: a lot of excitement, and that just buzz throughout the

677
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: whole city. In the stadium was was electric, right, So

678
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: I kind of just said what I was, what I

679
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: was feeling, And I feel like it resonated with most people.

680
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 6: I think it did every day. I resonated pretty much

681
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 6: with ninety of the people.

682
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 3: So right in the Hall of Fame club, at the stadium,

683
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 3: here at the ballpark, is that picture of the moment

684
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,160
Speaker 3: you did it. And to look at all the reactions

685
00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 3: on the faces like Jason Worreth Hammal's going nuts and

686
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 3: going outs, and then you can tell everybody's personality from

687
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,760
Speaker 3: that picture. Talk about a picture worth a thousand words,

688
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: that's worth ten thousand.

689
00:32:57,720 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: Work Like Da Vinci's Last Supper. You like to look

690
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 2: at each character in the background.

691
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,959
Speaker 3: It is so great. It never every time I look

692
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 3: at it, I laugh.

693
00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 6: That awesome.

694
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 5: Hey, tell us a little bit about your relationship with

695
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 5: Charlie Manuel and how special it was and.

696
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 6: Is yeah, it still is.

697
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: He I mean, I've said this bazillion times, but he

698
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: really like got in tune with his players, and you

699
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 1: hear him talk and you hear him fumble around sentences

700
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: and like mix up words at times. But like he's

701
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: a smart dude, and you guys have been around him

702
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: quite a bit. He doesn't always come off that way,

703
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,479
Speaker 1: but like in the clubhouse, Manna man, he kind of

704
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: understands the landscape of what's going on. He has his

705
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 1: gut feeling is right quite a bit, and he just

706
00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:55,840
Speaker 1: he allowed us to do what we wanted. But he's

707
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,600
Speaker 1: still kind of oversaw it when and if he ever

708
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:01,440
Speaker 1: since that it was getting, you know, a little awry.

709
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: He would come to either me or go to Jimmy,

710
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: or he would go to some guys that had a

711
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: voice on the team and just you know, give his opinion.

712
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: He would call me in the office all the time.

713
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,839
Speaker 1: And now looking back on it, I had no idea

714
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:14,440
Speaker 1: what he was doing, and maybe he wasn't doing this,

715
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: but I would be struggling, right, So he would call

716
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: me in the office, how you doing, asked me if

717
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: I wanted a day off. It was always a no,

718
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: And for a while I was able to like talk

719
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: myself out of days off. But in that conversation the

720
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: days off, we would start talking about hitting, and he

721
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: would start talking about I don't know this will use

722
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy for example. You know when Jimmy's doing going well,

723
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 1: like his hands are here, and his balance is this,

724
00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: and his timing is great, and like we go in

725
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: and I would like talk to him about it. Yeah,

726
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: I agree or disagree, and we'd have this full hitting conversation.

727
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 1: And then we probably did that in a handful of

728
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 1: times over the years. And it was looking back, and

729
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: it was always when I was struggling and I came

730
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 1: out of it thinking about the conversation I just had

731
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy or Shane or Ryan, and now I put it

732
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 1: on myself and I made adjustments and like it would

733
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,320
Speaker 1: snap me out of it, which would.

734
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 6: Sly like a fox man.

735
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 3: So we talked about the day you were traded. Sad day.

736
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 3: You said, yeah, yeah, what about the day this guy

737
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: But Charlie go and be honest.

738
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 5: Oh, I'll preempt this a little bit.

739
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 6: He was displeased with me, really, but anyway, go ahead.

740
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 1: So again as a as a as a player, you know,

741
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,840
Speaker 1: you know what you know? Right, There's plenty of stuff

742
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: that we're completely unaware of above our heads and what's

743
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: going on in the communication. So I can't speak on

744
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 1: any of that other than we love Charlie. We felt

745
00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: like Charlie was the right person to lead us. But

746
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: looking back, I understand from if trying to change things right,

747
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 1: the younger players involved changed the dynamic like slowly picked

748
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: pluck pieces out and implement new pieces. I understand stuff.

749
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: Change is sometimes a good thing, But like my loyalty

750
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: to Charlie will we'll be forever. And I felt like

751
00:36:19,920 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 1: he was the best for us and probably personally the

752
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: best for me, right because I admired him so much,

753
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: and I felt like we could have any conversation on

754
00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,480
Speaker 1: any day about any subject and nothing it didn't have

755
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: to do with baseball. And he was he was always there,

756
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: willing to work and willing to talk. And sometimes I

757
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,520
Speaker 1: would come out a little confused after the conversation that

758
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 1: we had, but like five minutes later it would all

759
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 1: kind of sync up. So yeah, I don't know, I

760
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: don't remember if we had a conversation.

761
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 5: I think you came up to me afterwards, and said

762
00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 5: something like thanks for EF and let me know, give

763
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,799
Speaker 5: me a head heads up or something like that.

764
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,919
Speaker 6: And you were probably right.

765
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 5: I mean, had I just given the dynamic of what

766
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 5: he meant to you guys, and and the relationship that

767
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,040
Speaker 5: you had I and the relationship that I felt always

768
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 5: had with you, I probably should have. Things were happening

769
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 5: so fast for me. You always you never make the

770
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 5: right decisions all the time, and you don't prepare yourself

771
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 5: perfectly all the time.

772
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 6: But you're probably right.

773
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 5: I probably should have given you and a couple other

774
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,560
Speaker 5: guys a little bit of a heads up, a little

775
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 5: sneaky no, no, I get it.

776
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, But then now I think about it, maybe

777
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:33,120
Speaker 1: you know, like you're the general manager. You can do

778
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: whatever you want. And it's it's a hard one because

779
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: once you get input from the players, the input you

780
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,839
Speaker 1: get from the players, the players kind of expect.

781
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 6: The change to be made.

782
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And that's a that's a tougher. It

783
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 1: is a tough one. So you want to keep a

784
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: closer relationship, but you still have to there still has

785
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,720
Speaker 1: to be a armless length linked relationship, in my opinion,

786
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: from you.

787
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 6: Probably learned that from spends a little time in the.

788
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: Front officer one. I mean I was there to help

789
00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: in any different different way ways. But yeah, he does

790
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 1: a good job of like being around. But like you

791
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: can't get you can't be best friends, really good friends.

792
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 1: But if once you become best friends, like your opinion

793
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: starts to change and like the conversation starts to change.

794
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 5: I do want to say one thing about we ended

795
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 5: up signing you to like an eight year deal or

796
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 5: something I think it was before before rather than going

797
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 5: through all the arbitration stuff, he ended up doing that deal.

798
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 5: And I have to say he is the only player

799
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 5: and family because he and Jen just as a thank you,

800
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 5: sent me because I did a lot of negotiation. I

801
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 5: mean not all of it, but I did a lot

802
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 5: of negotiation. A part of it that he actually sent

803
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:51,120
Speaker 5: me a bottle of champagne with a couple of glasses.

804
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 6: That was very classy. That's the only player I've.

805
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 5: Ever really done that, and I've given out a lot

806
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 5: of money over the years.

807
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 2: Jeez, I got one last question for you. You were

808
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: famous for spending hours and hours and hours before the

809
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 2: game and after game watching video. Is there one particular

810
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 2: moment where that stands out of man, I watch video

811
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: like for three hours before the game, looking for maybe

812
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 2: a picture tipping his pitches, or a picture's move or

813
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,680
Speaker 2: something that it played off in a big game that

814
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 2: really stands out or not.

815
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a ton of times that it paid

816
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: off for me. There's so many that I can't it's

817
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 1: hard to like identify one particular instance. But there is

818
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: a time where this was I don't know, thirteen fourteen,

819
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: thirteen fourteen.

820
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 4: I remember Pete Orr.

821
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,840
Speaker 1: Of course, great, great dude. Good could play a little bit.

822
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: Didn't get a ton of ton of time, but it

823
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: was filling in. And I remember I wasn't playing one day.

824
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if I was hurt or if I

825
00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: just wasn't playing. And I'm watching my video and we

826
00:39:52,680 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: were facing Remember Josh Johnson with Marlins when he was yeah,

827
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: when he was like dealing, Yeah, it was really tough.

828
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 1: Peter was playing and a little nervous. I identify all

829
00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: this stuff on Josh Johnson, and it wasn't great information,

830
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: but it was like I would take it to the grave.

831
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:18,359
Speaker 1: Was listen and two counts. He's not going to throw

832
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: you a strike one hundred percent of the time. It's

833
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: going to be a ball, and ninety five percent of

834
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:24,800
Speaker 1: time that one to two pitch is also going to

835
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: be a ball. So Pete, come in here. If you

836
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: get oh two, just take the next two pitches. And

837
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 1: he's like, come on. I'm like, well, I mean, you

838
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: guys are hitting twenty two and two and one and two,

839
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: so and once you get to two two, the guys

840
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: are hitting one to eighty or whatever. It was a

841
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 1: dramatic jump. He's like, all right, so sure enough.

842
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 4: Actually he was pinch hitting.

843
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 6: That's what it was.

844
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:55,839
Speaker 1: He was pinch hitting. Goes up, sure enough, bull ball

845
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: full ball O two. He kind of looks at me.

846
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 1: I give him like a shrug. Just statue takes ball one,

847
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: one two, statue takes again, ball two. So now two

848
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,799
Speaker 1: to two count and then next pitch you got to hit,

849
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 1: and it scored a run. He was so happy, and

850
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: I was so happy, right, I was one. I was

851
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: happy to success two. I was happy that he didn't

852
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: throw a strike oh two one two. So that's one

853
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: that I remember.

854
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 6: Well, that's pretty funny.

855
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 3: That's great. You know, we're watching a great Phillies team

856
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,799
Speaker 3: here twenty four. I mean, they really racking up the

857
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 3: wins and a lot of comparisons to the twenty eleven

858
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 3: team at won one hundred and two games. On the

859
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 3: subject of twenty eleven, does it still hurt a little bit?

860
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,360
Speaker 3: I know it hurts him a lot. Does it hurt

861
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 3: for you? And maybe beyond that you after you answer

862
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 3: that part, do you see any similarities.

863
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: To twenty eleven meeting we lost the Cardinals in the

864
00:41:58,200 --> 00:41:58,680
Speaker 1: first round.

865
00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, after winning one hundred and two and have you know,

866
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: and having that great pitching staff, of course it stings.

867
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 1: But now that you just kind of see how how

868
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: baseball it is. Right in the moment, we're the best

869
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: team and we should therefore we should win the World Series,

870
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: and that's not the case. I don't know what the

871
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: what the percentages of the team with the best record

872
00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: actually win in the World Series. I imagine it's not

873
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,719
Speaker 1: that high. I think I'm a big believer in momentum, right, So,

874
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 1: I think we saw that a few years ago with

875
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: the Phillies kind of didn't play that well first half

876
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: of the years, kind of turning on the second half

877
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: and like really caught fire in September and went into

878
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: the postseason super hot, and they ended up getting to

879
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: the World Series. So that was kind of the same

880
00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 1: with the with the Cardinals. They I don't know how

881
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: many games they won in September, but it seemed like

882
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: that every single Yeah, and we had an opportunity if

883
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:51,840
Speaker 1: we really wanted to, looking back on it, of like.

884
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 4: Not allowing them in the.

885
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,920
Speaker 1: Playoff playoffs if we had lost a few games.

886
00:42:57,920 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 5: A lot of people are still upset about Yeah, yeah,

887
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,920
Speaker 5: having won all those games in Atlantas.

888
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, right, So anyways, yeah, super disappointing. But they

889
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:11,399
Speaker 1: had a good team. They had a great team. But yeah,

890
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,680
Speaker 1: I mean I thought that team was it was pretty strong,

891
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 1: really strong. That pitching staff was fantastic in this team.

892
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: This team is Listen, these guys have baseball players, right,

893
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: So you have a mix of younger guys and guys

894
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: with a lot with some seasons under their belt. But

895
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: there's no there's no guy that's like on his last leg.

896
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:33,839
Speaker 6: Right.

897
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,280
Speaker 1: These guys are all kind of coming into their prime

898
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:38,320
Speaker 1: or in the middle of their prime and their careers.

899
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,919
Speaker 1: And so that resembles what we were dealing with back

900
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: in two thousand and seven, six, seven, eight nine. We

901
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 1: were kind of coming in together in our in our

902
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: prime and these guys seems like they really like each

903
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: other and and that goes a long way saying with

904
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: our guys, we we enjoyed spending time with each other

905
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 1: away from the ballpark, hanging out, having dinner, having a

906
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 1: couple couple of drinks, you know, having a talking, a

907
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,840
Speaker 1: little trash that kept us tight. And I and I

908
00:44:06,880 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: see that same aspect in these guys.

909
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 5: And did you think that Edon Rowan had a big

910
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 5: part of that when you when he came over.

911
00:44:14,280 --> 00:44:15,319
Speaker 6: Was he a big part of that?

912
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 5: Or is there other guys that are sort of Galvanie

913
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 5: helped galvanize the team. I remember because Aaron had come

914
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,960
Speaker 5: over from Chicago and he had won a World Series,

915
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 5: and I know he was you know, he has a

916
00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,520
Speaker 5: big voice in the clubhouse. I just didn't know whether

917
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 5: he was one of those guys that sort of pushed

918
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:32,000
Speaker 5: that forward. I know Pat was part of it, you

919
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 5: and some other guys, but was he part of that

920
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 5: as well?

921
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 6: Yeah? He was.

922
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: He was, Like you said, he had a he had

923
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: a big voice. He brought over his experience from from

924
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: the White Sox. It was a lot of team gatherings.

925
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: We didn't have as many team gatherings prior to his

926
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: him coming over. But yeah, Pat, Pat had had a

927
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: great voice, calm and soothing voice, kind of could see

928
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,399
Speaker 1: the big picture at a young age for the most part.

929
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 1: And Aaron was loud and fun and he he played

930
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 1: as hard as I've ever seen anybody play. He would

931
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 1: give it us all. He was always squeezing that bat

932
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 1: so hard, right know how he hit like that. But

933
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 1: he was a really good player and really strong for

934
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 1: for our clubhouse we had. We had a number of

935
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 1: guys that were just positive influence in our clubhouse.

936
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 4: I mean.

937
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: I had a chance to play with Kenny Lofton early

938
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: in my career, late in his career, and to see

939
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: him work and he was I don't know how old

940
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: he was, but he was late late thirties. Now, looking

941
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: back on that, I have more appreciation of how he

942
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 1: played at that at that age. I mean, Brent Myers

943
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: was a crazy wacko but great teammate, amazing teammate, would

944
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:50,760
Speaker 1: do anything for you, and he there was he would

945
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 1: love to make jokes about people. We would throw it

946
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: right back at him and he could take it, which

947
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,160
Speaker 1: which you had to you had to do in our clubhouse.

948
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: You had to be able to take a joke.

949
00:45:59,400 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 6: I don't know.

950
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: That's I think we got along really well and obviously

951
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: we had a lot of talent to go with that.

952
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 3: That's awesome. Remember the day Brett Myers ranked on your shirt, Todd.

953
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, it was a fashion mobile.

954
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:14,640
Speaker 2: No, I'm not a fashion he had.

955
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 3: Todd had this shirt on and in spring training had

956
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,880
Speaker 3: this shirt on. It was sort of like terry cloth

957
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 3: and had these horizontal brown and yellow and white stripes.

958
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 3: It was awful. And uh, I said to Myers, I

959
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:30,520
Speaker 3: go slucky shirt man. He it was like a soft

960
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: toss and he whacked it over the net and he says, Lucky,

961
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: would you get that shirt a yard style?

962
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,400
Speaker 2: He just crushed me right in front of everybody in

963
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:40,240
Speaker 2: the middle of the clubhouse.

964
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 4: That's all right.

965
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 2: You could give it back to them, though, You're right though,

966
00:46:42,320 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: with Brett, you could give it back given us as reporters. Yeah,

967
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:45,840
Speaker 2: you can give it back to.

968
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you could see to your credit and this

969
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,040
Speaker 1: is not blowing smoke, but to your guys' credit, we enjoyed.

970
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: We did enjoy everyone, every reporter because if we felt

971
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: like there was something that were looking for a headline,

972
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:01,320
Speaker 1: looking to cause a little drama, and you too definitely

973
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 1: were not in that case.

974
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 4: We you know, you guys know this, but we.

975
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,879
Speaker 1: Felt comfortable talking to to both of you about any

976
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: subject on the record, off the record. We didn't have

977
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: to fear that you were going to run and.

978
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 6: Until he fired, until he gets you fired. Yeah, did

979
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:18,120
Speaker 6: he get you fired? Well?

980
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: So I remember this one, and I don't know if

981
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: you remember this, Rubin. I remember a few times, like

982
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was fourteen or fifteen, it

983
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: was we would pass each other in the hallway and

984
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:31,319
Speaker 1: you would kind of just say, uh, where do.

985
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 4: You want to be traded to?

986
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: Remember I probably first it was like I ignored it.

987
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:40,480
Speaker 4: Next time, where do you want to be traded to?

988
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: Come on, Rubin? Next time, where do you want to

989
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: be traded to?

990
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:44,480
Speaker 6: Rubin?

991
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 4: If you have to trade me, you're gonna get fired.

992
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 4: Remember that?

993
00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 6: Yes, I do. And I knew I was going to

994
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:56,680
Speaker 6: get fired, so he said, So it wasn't me.

995
00:47:57,840 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 5: No, No, I've dug my own, but I listen, I

996
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:03,360
Speaker 5: don't know.

997
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 6: I didn't.

998
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:05,839
Speaker 5: Here was a tough thing for me. I didn't want

999
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 5: to be the guy that would that did two things.

1000
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 5: One fired Charlie Manuel and two traded Chase Utley and

1001
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,520
Speaker 5: I did quite a perfect that that's wearing a black hat.

1002
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:18,719
Speaker 1: Man, and I don't I don't envy the position because

1003
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 1: we had so much success.

1004
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 4: And then eventually that changes.

1005
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 3: And remember the time you wanted to kill me though,

1006
00:48:24,560 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 3: when your batting practice bat broke after three years.

1007
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 4: I wanted to kill you. Yeah, why did I want

1008
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 4: to kill.

1009
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:31,840
Speaker 6: Did you take it out there and hit with it?

1010
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: Remember the story?

1011
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 4: Did you break it?

1012
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: No?

1013
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,240
Speaker 3: But you were upset, I wrote. I wrote a story

1014
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 3: about it.

1015
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 6: I brought it.

1016
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: You used the same batting practice bat for like three years.

1017
00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: It was caked with pine tar and the sweet spot

1018
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: where the paint was all worn off it. So you

1019
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,799
Speaker 3: agreed to talk to me about how good it felt.

1020
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 3: It cut you in the right rhythm for the game.

1021
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 3: He loved this bat three years. And then so I

1022
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 3: write this story. You even post for a picture with it.

1023
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 3: I write this story, and it's going to go in

1024
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 3: the Sunday paper. You guys leave for San Francisco on Friday.

1025
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 3: I'm not on the trip. Tood's on the trip. I say,

1026
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 3: you have to watch every swing he takes in batting practice.

1027
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:12,680
Speaker 3: Make sure this bat survives at least through Sunday Friday

1028
00:49:12,760 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 3: night game. He breaks the bat in the batting cage,

1029
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 3: smashes it on the batting cage, and he walks by you.

1030
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: What did he say?

1031
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 2: He said, tell Jim thanks a lot.

1032
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 3: I thought he said something that said some words.

1033
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:26,760
Speaker 4: That was great.

1034
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 2: I remember that ruined my story called Jim like, holy shit,

1035
00:49:31,600 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: Chase just broke that.

1036
00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 3: I thought you were kidding me. Yeah, that was great.

1037
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 4: I remember that.

1038
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 1: I do in San Francisco, Yes, and it was I

1039
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 1: think I went in like a big one.

1040
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 3: You did, and you were staring daggers at me. For

1041
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 3: two weeks. You wouldn't talk to me, and finally one

1042
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 3: day I sensed you were in an okay mood and

1043
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 3: I walked up. He had said, you really don't think

1044
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: I had anything to do with this to you? And

1045
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 3: you're like, no, I'm just giving you some crap.

1046
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 6: Well that's very superstitious as players.

1047
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 4: Very great.

1048
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 2: Well, Chase, thanks so much man the time. Yeah, I mean,

1049
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 2: unless you want to keep rolling, we could do another hour.

1050
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 2: I wrote down a bunch of great stories. If i'd

1051
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 2: I'd love to ask you.

1052
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 3: About ask him one more.

1053
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 6: No, No, I'm good. I'm good.

1054
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:13,319
Speaker 5: I know we really appreciate it and also so much

1055
00:50:13,560 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 5: we also appreciate you as a player, but you as

1056
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 5: a person and what you meant to this organization and

1057
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 5: to this city and uh, and I know how much

1058
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 5: these two guys respected you as well and just thrilled

1059
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,000
Speaker 5: to be able to sit down with you.

1060
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,280
Speaker 1: Asked me to do this, and yeah, I definitely wouldn't

1061
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 1: do it for most most people. Yes, you guys, are

1062
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: you guys are on the top of my list.

1063
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: Now if you want to sign off with a Cockney accent,

1064
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 2: say London series will be a jolly good time. Now

1065
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: is the time to do.

1066
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 4: Are you guys coming, I'll be there. Gym's not coming?

1067
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 3: Why I have I'm not I'm on home confinement.

1068
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:54,800
Speaker 1: Are you saying ankle would go off at the airport.

1069
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,280
Speaker 6: Anyway?

1070
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:58,839
Speaker 1: Thanks Chase to represent Yeah, guys, thanks for having me

1071
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: and uh all the fans listening and come to London.

1072
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 4: It's gonna be great. That was awesome.

1073
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,799
Speaker 2: Thank you again to Chase Sutley for his time. We

1074
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: had a blast. Literally could have sat down with him

1075
00:51:12,520 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 2: for another couple hours, but you gotta let the guy go.

1076
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 2: At some point maybe he will be back with us

1077
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:19,719
Speaker 2: down the road. We hope that you will be back

1078
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 2: with us later this week when Ruben, Jim and I

1079
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: talk more Phillies. Thanks again to Shy Vintage Sports who

1080
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:33,359
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1081
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:36,359
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1082
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1083
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1084
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1085
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1086
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1090
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1093
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,960
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1094
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