Speaker 1: NFL Inside Report is the production of the NFL in
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Speaker 1: is NFL Inside Report. It's Draft week and two teams
Speaker 1: have an opportunity to be power players within the top
Speaker 1: ten of this year's NFL draft. Talking about the New
Speaker 1: York Jets and the New York Giants, two of the
Speaker 1: eight teams with multiple first round draft picks, but both
Speaker 1: the Jets of the Giants with those two first rounders
Speaker 1: within the top ten of this year's draft, and safe
Speaker 1: to say that they have earned those selections, especially over
Speaker 1: the course of the last few years. And that's what
Speaker 1: we're diving into today with Judy Batista is gonna join
Speaker 1: us here in the state of frustration in what she
Speaker 1: calls the Gotham area gridiron A fantastic word choice there,
Speaker 1: and Judy is with us here on today's episode to
Speaker 1: detail the futility here that the Giants and Jets have
Speaker 1: found themselves in and then how this draft could help
Speaker 1: them climb their way out of this hole. Judy, great
Speaker 1: to be back here with you. Great to be here.
Speaker 1: I wish it were under you know, better circumstances. Sure teams, Yes,
Speaker 1: for Judy's home teams. Come on, um, so Judy, we
Speaker 1: you and I were just chatting a bit before we
Speaker 1: started here. And you know in the piece you talk
Speaker 1: about Giants haven't been in the playoffs in five years.
Speaker 1: Jets it's been longer, right, since over a decade now
Speaker 1: since the Jets last found themselves into the postseason. And look,
Speaker 1: when you combine the two records of the teams that
Speaker 1: share MetLife Stadium, it's not pretty. How would you describe
Speaker 1: kind of your unearthing of some of this, uh, this
Speaker 1: lack of winning over these last few years for these teams.
Speaker 1: So when our editors asked me just maybe like for
Speaker 1: the draft, like, why don't you look at the two
Speaker 1: New York teams because they have you know, they each
Speaker 1: have two first round draft picks. I you know, I
Speaker 1: turned to our fantastic research department and I said, can
Speaker 1: you give me any context on just how bad they are?
Speaker 1: And they, like, you know, within forty five seconds, they
Speaker 1: shot back this email with share like the worst record
Speaker 1: in the NFL over the last five years, which I
Speaker 1: had not realized. And I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: but the worst lot of fat But um, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean it's really bad. Like, look, just from somebody
Speaker 1: who lives in New York, I mean, I know that
Speaker 1: the teams are not relevant, um past November, and that's late,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean our friend and Hollique Peter Schreeger
Speaker 1: was talking about it on Good Morning Football this morning
Speaker 1: and he said, like, they never get to talk about
Speaker 1: the Jets and Giants on Good Morning Football after like
Speaker 1: the first month of the season because they're not relevant,
Speaker 1: they're not playing meaningful games. Um, I mean it's bad,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, it's been a series, a long
Speaker 1: series of missteps by both teams. Um, you know, but
Speaker 1: obviously this draft presents a rare opportunity for for both
Speaker 1: teams to you know, to flip it pretty quickly. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are front and center though of all of the
Speaker 1: draft conversation here, and you know, depending on how you
Speaker 1: look at it, that's not necessarily a great thing unless
Speaker 1: you use that capital for good and that is obviously
Speaker 1: what both teams are trying to do here, um as
Speaker 1: as they embark on this draft, which we'll get to
Speaker 1: here in just a couple of days. But before we
Speaker 1: get back into that, and let's just I mean, because
Speaker 1: you did a great job of kind of painting the
Speaker 1: picture of how New Yorkers feel about their teams, and
Speaker 1: some of them have in fact taken to the skies
Speaker 1: to voice their displeasure duty for both teams. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: back in the seventies, this is something that happened with
Speaker 1: the Giants that John Marraw, the owner of the Giants,
Speaker 1: still references. Um. It was when his father was still
Speaker 1: and still on the team. Um. But fans were so
Speaker 1: disgusted with how the Giants were at that point that
Speaker 1: they rented a banner plane and you know, flew it
Speaker 1: overhead and you know, fifteen years, we've had enough. And
Speaker 1: the good news for the Giants is after that they
Speaker 1: started making changes and a few years later they were
Speaker 1: in the playoffs. They hired worked One as the general manager,
Speaker 1: which is really the decision that led to everything good
Speaker 1: that has happened for the Giants since then. Um. And
Speaker 1: in a strange echo of it a few years ago
Speaker 1: at the Jets practice facility during practice one day, you know,
Speaker 1: a plane who flew overhead calling for the firing of
Speaker 1: then general manager John It's And that was a really
Speaker 1: strange thing because like literally the team was out there
Speaker 1: getting ready to practice and you know, the team were
Speaker 1: like looking up in the sky at this banner plane
Speaker 1: that sort of circled Flora Park a few times. So, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean fans are frustrated and just sort of you know,
Speaker 1: disbelieving and at and and again, like it's not even
Speaker 1: that they're bad, it's that they're irrelevant. That's really bad part. Right,
Speaker 1: It's not like you're fighting, you know, towards the end
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, you just fall short in week eighteen
Speaker 1: for the seventh and final playoff spot in the conference.
Speaker 1: We're not We're not even there. I mean that the
Speaker 1: season had ended four weeks prior. For both of these teams.
Speaker 1: It felt like listen when Joe Douglas said at the
Speaker 1: Combine not the Combine, it was at the meeting a
Speaker 1: few weeks ago when he said, you know, I think
Speaker 1: we should be playing meaningful games in December. And I
Speaker 1: know some people rolled their us because it's like, well
Speaker 1: that's not a very high part, and it's like, well,
Speaker 1: that would be real product actually to be playing a
Speaker 1: meaningful game into December. So you know they'll take that.
Speaker 1: That would be good. And you talk about not being
Speaker 1: able to pinpoint one area or one moment where this
Speaker 1: all started to go terribly awry. I mean, like, look,
Speaker 1: you gotta go back. You know, when you talk about
Speaker 1: the Jets last making the playoffs, we're talking about Rex
Speaker 1: Ryan as the head coach, and think about how fin
Speaker 1: he've been out of the league, you know for for
Speaker 1: a while now. Um, so to think about that, and
Speaker 1: then you know, for the Giants, you know, obviously I
Speaker 1: haven't been in the playoffs without Eli Manning um and
Speaker 1: so you know that that's that's a part of it
Speaker 1: to turnover at franchise quarterback, inability to find one for
Speaker 1: the Jets, you know, it is part of this thing
Speaker 1: to write. Yeah, you know, I talked to Boomer Size
Speaker 1: and the former Jets in Bengals quarterback who is now
Speaker 1: a very very popular sports talk radio host here in
Speaker 1: New York, and so he hears it from both fan
Speaker 1: bases and and and he said, like, you can't put
Speaker 1: your finger on just one thing. He said, you know,
Speaker 1: Jets fans tend to blame ownership, and Giants fans want
Speaker 1: to pin everything on Dave geentleman. But obviously it goes
Speaker 1: much further than that. When you know, when the bottom
Speaker 1: falls out, it's not just one reason there's much more.
Speaker 1: You know, certainly, you're right, like the Giants, obviously the
Speaker 1: post Eli Manning era has has not been good, but
Speaker 1: also they have turned over coaches every two years now.
Speaker 1: For the Giants, it's like, right, this is one of
Speaker 1: the most stable franchises that values stability and continuity. UM.
Speaker 1: So that is very out of character for them. They
Speaker 1: felt it's been needed. You know, they've had some underperforming
Speaker 1: draft picks. Um. You know, obviously, I think we can
Speaker 1: say that the hiring of Dave Galman was probably a
Speaker 1: mistake at general manager. Um. You know, things just haven't
Speaker 1: worked recent decisions, and the Jets the same same thing,
Speaker 1: you know, bad draft picks, that coaching fits, bad general
Speaker 1: manager hires. I thought it was remarkable how the same
Speaker 1: factors were contributing to both teams. I mean, the Giants
Speaker 1: had has had more recent high level success, They've won
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls, um, but the missteps were similar for
Speaker 1: both teams. Yeah, and look you mentioned, um the hiring
Speaker 1: of George Young as the piece that turned around that
Speaker 1: struggling Giants franchise at the time, and now one you know,
Speaker 1: four super bowls since then, and now they have another
Speaker 1: new general manager in Joe Shane, how does he carve
Speaker 1: his path for success kind of starting on Thursday. Yeah, Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I wouldn't want to put it on
Speaker 1: Jerry Shane to try to George Young did because that
Speaker 1: high high to reach, So I don't want to do
Speaker 1: that to jer Shane. But look, he has already I
Speaker 1: think started to carve his own path in this offseason.
Speaker 1: I mean, he inherited a really bad salary cap situation
Speaker 1: and he was pretty honest that like that was going
Speaker 1: to be what had to happen this off season. They
Speaker 1: had to clean that up. He had to cut he
Speaker 1: said at the time, forty million dollars in cameral So
Speaker 1: I think he's already started doing that. They've had a
Speaker 1: modest free agency spending period where they made some improvements
Speaker 1: to the offensive line. But certainly whatever he does UM
Speaker 1: starting Thursday is going to have the biggest immediate impact UM.
Speaker 1: And with two such high draft picks, I think the
Speaker 1: question is do you get if you get to blue
Speaker 1: chip players right they have to be plug and play
Speaker 1: guys who make an immediate impact. Or does he go
Speaker 1: and try to trade out of one of those picks
Speaker 1: and pick up a lot more ammunition which they could
Speaker 1: use now um, and they could also use potentially next
Speaker 1: year if they pick up an extra first rounder next year,
Speaker 1: when you know they could be in the market for
Speaker 1: a quarterback if Daniel Jones does not pan out the
Speaker 1: way everybody hopes he does. Yeah, it's kind of a
Speaker 1: it's kind of a fine line that they're towing here
Speaker 1: because you want to as you know, when John marrisond
Speaker 1: we've tried everything we we can to screw this kid up,
Speaker 1: you know, a few months ago after the season, you know,
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, yeah, well let's let's give him a
Speaker 1: real shot. Right and certainly feel like Brian day Bole
Speaker 1: coming in as the head coach is type of coach
Speaker 1: and offensive mind, you know, like we saw work Wonders
Speaker 1: in in Buffalo with Josh Allen that could help bring
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones along. But you've also if that's the case,
Speaker 1: if you want to get a true ofvaluation, you're using
Speaker 1: this draft to support him in a big way, right
Speaker 1: and so and then to also think about, well, what
Speaker 1: if we're able to plan for the future, you know,
Speaker 1: by moving out of one of these picks. So you're
Speaker 1: supporting maybe a little bit less, but also kind of
Speaker 1: on the back end, hedging your bets. Um. So it
Speaker 1: does feel like a kind of a fine line for
Speaker 1: them to tell, especially if they want, if they truly
Speaker 1: want to get that, you know, this year of evaluation
Speaker 1: for Daniel Jones and then make a decision, right, Judy,
Speaker 1: Will you keep hearing teams use the phrase like competitive
Speaker 1: rebuild and that's sort of what they're talking about at
Speaker 1: the chat. They don't want to bother out, but they
Speaker 1: want to be competitive. But but they're clearly retooling the roster,
Speaker 1: and they have to recool the roster and they have
Speaker 1: to especially on the offensive line, which has been shambles
Speaker 1: for years, and that I think more than anything, if
Speaker 1: they can just get the offensive line to be decent,
Speaker 1: that would help Daniel Jones. It would help safe one Barkley. Um,
Speaker 1: there's another employer that they're going to have to evaluate
Speaker 1: this year. But I do think they feel like you've
Speaker 1: you've got to do your best to put pieces around
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones to help him be successful. Not just for
Speaker 1: Daniel Joneses don't safe, but for the franchise's sake. You've
Speaker 1: got to find out if this first round quarterback is
Speaker 1: what she thought he wasn't and they have not done
Speaker 1: enough to give him the opportunity to show that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. And then you know, looking at uh,
Speaker 1: you know, obviously Andrew Thomas top five pick a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago at left tackle, feel pretty good about
Speaker 1: the way that's trending there. So you're hoping, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe at five or seven, you get one of the
Speaker 1: top two tackles in this draft, put him over on
Speaker 1: the right side, and now you've at least solidified or
Speaker 1: you hope you've at least solidified both of the tackle
Speaker 1: spots there. And then you know, with the other pick,
Speaker 1: maybe you're left to get the best efensive player on
Speaker 1: the board. You know, whichever way that is, it would
Speaker 1: be great if they get one of the good rushers.
Speaker 1: I mean, the good news for the Giants, if you
Speaker 1: want to look at this on the brand side, is
Speaker 1: there needs dovetail nicely with the strengths of this draft, right.
Speaker 1: They need offense, They need an offensive tackle, and they
Speaker 1: need an edge rusher in the corner and anyone that
Speaker 1: do depending on when James Bradberry makes his exit. Right,
Speaker 1: So the good news is they do have a good
Speaker 1: field to pick from yeah, and then look then we've
Speaker 1: got high level picks at the top of the second
Speaker 1: and third rounds too, so that the draft doesn't end
Speaker 1: in the top ten, although it's a big piece of
Speaker 1: this thing, um, and they will definitely be a power
Speaker 1: player on April when we kick off the NFL Draft
Speaker 1: live from Las Vegas, and from everybody just listening to
Speaker 1: us today, just a reminder that a copy of Judy story, Um,
Speaker 1: you can find NFL dot com slash Big Apple Draft
Speaker 1: Restoring football in the Big Apple again NFL dot com
Speaker 1: slash Big Apple Draft there and so that's kind of
Speaker 1: a piece on why we got here for the Jets
Speaker 1: and the Giants. Look at how the Giants try to
Speaker 1: climb themselves out and now let's take a look at
Speaker 1: the Jets path forward here. We'll do that right after
Speaker 1: this quick break, all right back here with Judy Batista
Speaker 1: on this episode of NFL Inside Report. Reminder that Judy's
Speaker 1: piece right now on the state of football in the
Speaker 1: New York area out right now NFL dot com slash
Speaker 1: Big Apple Draft. As the Jets and the Giants to
Speaker 1: the eight teams with multiple first round draft picks. Both
Speaker 1: of those teams with those two first rounders in the
Speaker 1: top ten for the Jets, they sit at four and ten.
Speaker 1: But let's take another look back here a little bit
Speaker 1: on how we got here for the Jets. For the
Speaker 1: owner Woody Johnson, as you talk about in the story here,
Speaker 1: reads comments on social media. But brave also, I would say, right, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it kind of it strikes you is like
Speaker 1: you know, usually you know, maybe that's something that you
Speaker 1: know and in a position of ownership, you might, yeah,
Speaker 1: trying to leave that stuff alone. Right, But he's into it. Well,
Speaker 1: he's really into social media anyway. But I'm surprised when
Speaker 1: he said he reads the comments, and you know, he
Speaker 1: sort of said, like laughing, he said, look, I've been
Speaker 1: doing this twenty years, Like I feel their pain that
Speaker 1: you know, he's heard it all before. So, uh, he
Speaker 1: understands the frustration of Jets fans. He's one of them. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I think if you could point to one
Speaker 1: thing about the Jets, it's the complete inability to land
Speaker 1: a franchise quarterback. I mean they've tried repeatedly, um and
Speaker 1: it just hasn't worked. And you know, I thought it
Speaker 1: looked good for a while there with Mark Sanchez, don't
Speaker 1: forget they make the AFC Championship game and back to
Speaker 1: back here with Mark Sanchez, that was a defensive dominated team,
Speaker 1: but still it's the C Championship game, you know. And
Speaker 1: and then it's that the wheels have been spinning ever since. Um.
Speaker 1: And then I you know, I agree with Boomer size,
Speaker 1: and when they acquired Tim Tebow, that is when I
Speaker 1: felt like things were really sort of careening off, like
Speaker 1: where are we headed here? So right, um, yeah, do
Speaker 1: you think this card for interest seems to be on
Speaker 1: the same page with each other? And that is, as
Speaker 1: Rady Johnson himself pointed out, that has not always been
Speaker 1: the case. So that's a step forward. Sure, sure, and
Speaker 1: it does. Yeah, Like I said, it feels like the
Speaker 1: coach and GM runlocked step. And they're also you know,
Speaker 1: united together to try to get you know, trying to
Speaker 1: make Zach Wilson work as the franchise quarterback. And I
Speaker 1: think there have been some signs of progress on that front.
Speaker 1: And now it's it's continuing to build around him and
Speaker 1: that's part of what they're gonna do here, and that's
Speaker 1: part of what they were trying to do Judy earlier
Speaker 1: this offseason when they probably felt like they had a
Speaker 1: pretty good shot to get Tyreek Hill, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're offered a good deal and a nice compensation package
Speaker 1: for the Chiefs, Tyreek opted to go to Miami. So
Speaker 1: if we ever thought that the Jets were going to
Speaker 1: be in the wide receiver market in the top ten
Speaker 1: of this draft, the fact that they went out and
Speaker 1: tried to get one of the best in the league
Speaker 1: and and you know, couldn't get it done certainly makes
Speaker 1: it feel like that's a place they could go in
Speaker 1: this draft if you know, another more key wide receiver
Speaker 1: doesn't come available, like let's say Deebo Samuel or a
Speaker 1: J Brown or you know someone else. You know, because
Speaker 1: it has happened the Saw season a couple of times. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Jets have four picks in the top forties, So
Speaker 1: they have a whole lot of ammunition either to pick
Speaker 1: those four picks or to use some of that in
Speaker 1: a trade. UM. Now, obviously they've been linked with Deepo
Speaker 1: Samuel a lot. I'm nobody's really sure for forty Niners
Speaker 1: are interested in trading people Samuel as much as he
Speaker 1: might be interested as he is in leaving UM. But
Speaker 1: whichever way they go, Uh, they have a lot of ammunition.
Speaker 1: And Joe Douglas said when he met with the media
Speaker 1: last week, and when you're picking in the in the
Speaker 1: first and second round, those guys should be immediate starters.
Speaker 1: So if they exercise all four of those picks, that's
Speaker 1: four starters brand new on the team. Like you've got
Speaker 1: to be able to turn the tide if you've got
Speaker 1: that many blue chip players combined with last year they
Speaker 1: had two first round draft picks, So that's a lot
Speaker 1: of draft capital, um that should be on the field.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I thought Zach Wilson, especially late
Speaker 1: in the season, shows sis. First of all, I think
Speaker 1: he's really tough and rebilliant, and I thought that it
Speaker 1: seemed like things were coming to him better late in
Speaker 1: the season when he got back on the field, So
Speaker 1: that was encouraging for him. They believe in him. Um,
Speaker 1: they do need weapons for him, I mean they you know,
Speaker 1: a top tier receiver, whether it's in a trade or
Speaker 1: through the draft, would be a big help to him. Yes, certainly.
Speaker 1: And how do you feel like the organization, Um, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe outside of Joe Douglas, who obviously made as strong
Speaker 1: as strong as push as he could to get Tyreek
Speaker 1: Hill feels about not getting that done, Like is that is?
Speaker 1: That is it looked upon as man, here we go
Speaker 1: you know another Now, I actually think, um, they felt
Speaker 1: good about it. I think they felt good about being aggressive,
Speaker 1: that they had the weapons and let's be aggressive, let's
Speaker 1: swing for the fence here. This is one of the
Speaker 1: top receivers in the league. Let's go for it. Um.
Speaker 1: So I think they feel good about that. I think
Speaker 1: they understood the circumstances that Tyree probably wanted to be
Speaker 1: in Miami, you know, for personal reasons. You wanted Tom
Speaker 1: and that's fine, that's going to happen. But I think
Speaker 1: they felt good about being able to say, look, we
Speaker 1: went forward and this is an indication that we're going
Speaker 1: to go for it. If that's the point, we're going
Speaker 1: to go for it. And that hasn't always been the case.
Speaker 1: And so I think that that that feels good. And
Speaker 1: it happens to line up with a time when they
Speaker 1: have a lot um at their disposal. They've got a
Speaker 1: lot of draft picks, they had a lot of salary
Speaker 1: cap space this offseason, so they're pushing forward and I
Speaker 1: think that's good for the Jets. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, don't
Speaker 1: look at it as a we didn't you know, we
Speaker 1: didn't get it done, but it was we need to
Speaker 1: push to actually do it, you know, which is which
Speaker 1: you know you could certainly look at as a as
Speaker 1: a step in the right direction for a player of
Speaker 1: that kind of impact right at that kind of position.
Speaker 1: So and then you look, you mentioned the four picks
Speaker 1: in the top forty, and you gotta get four starters there.
Speaker 1: They basically did that last year when you look back
Speaker 1: at Zach Wilson, Elijah Vera Tucker, and then you got
Speaker 1: Elijah more top of the second round who was banged up,
Speaker 1: but you're counting on him to be a top three
Speaker 1: you know, wide receiver in your system here, which you
Speaker 1: know you essentially count on as a starter. And then
Speaker 1: you know Michael Carter is going to be a part
Speaker 1: of the running back rotation as well. Um, you know
Speaker 1: they're depending on you know, where they end up going
Speaker 1: in this in this draft at that position. So you know,
Speaker 1: you think, like you, all right, maybe did that last year. Now,
Speaker 1: how do we duplicate it right? How do we essentially
Speaker 1: Really that's when you start turning rosters over. When you
Speaker 1: hit on picks like this, and you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's there's so many different places that they could go.
Speaker 1: They're kind of like the Giants, Like they could go
Speaker 1: offensive line, they could go edge rusher, they could go corner,
Speaker 1: and those are all kind of needs. But receivers certainly
Speaker 1: up there as well in those In those especially with
Speaker 1: those first two. It's interesting. Joked up us again when
Speaker 1: you talk to reporters last week quoted something Ozzy Knuso says,
Speaker 1: which is like a lot a luxury pick now could
Speaker 1: be a necessity very soon, right, So there's no such
Speaker 1: thing as a luxury pick. He was saying, you always
Speaker 1: have to take the best player available because it may
Speaker 1: look like a luxury today, but you know, in three
Speaker 1: weeks that could be a necessity. So um, look, when
Speaker 1: you're a team that has not won that many games,
Speaker 1: like you could go in almost any direction and that's
Speaker 1: not going to be a luxury pick. You need to
Speaker 1: upgrade the roster all over the place. Another point that
Speaker 1: they've made, both Salah and Douglas have made is they
Speaker 1: can help Zack Wilson as much with offensive weapons, but
Speaker 1: also by improving the defense. The defense was the worst
Speaker 1: than the league last year and was near the bottom
Speaker 1: in passing defense, and their feeling is it's a lot
Speaker 1: easier for young quarterback to operate if he doesn't wake
Speaker 1: up every Sunday wanting knowing he's gonna be in a shootout,
Speaker 1: knowing he's gonna have to come from behind, knowing he's
Speaker 1: always going to be digging out of a hole. Like
Speaker 1: they made the point like, look at the young quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: you succeed quickly, like they're not playing from behind all
Speaker 1: the time. So sal is a defensive guy. Um, I
Speaker 1: would not be surprised to see them go heavy on
Speaker 1: defense because they know that they would prove that defense,
Speaker 1: not just for the point of improving the defense, but
Speaker 1: because that Zach Wilson a lot to not have the
Speaker 1: pressure of always having to pull the team from behind. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no question. And uh and look, I think you mentioned
Speaker 1: what Robert Salas has has said a little bit through
Speaker 1: in your piece about you know, the situation that they're
Speaker 1: in compared to others that we've seen around the league,
Speaker 1: talking about you know, Buffalo, you know was was mired
Speaker 1: in you know, trials and tribulation trying to find their
Speaker 1: way to the top of the AFC East, and now
Speaker 1: they've been there back to back years Cincinnati, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean there were questions about Zach. Oh, gosh, Zach Taylor.
Speaker 1: Really they got to do this and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they're in the super Bowl, you know. But it's
Speaker 1: about finding a quarterback. It's about supporting the quarterback. You know, Like,
Speaker 1: do the Jets really feel like they can be that
Speaker 1: next team to make that kind of jump. Well, they
Speaker 1: think they've got the quarterback now. Obviously, you know, he
Speaker 1: hasn't done with what Joe Burrow has done or what
Speaker 1: Josh Allen has done yet, but they think that they've
Speaker 1: got that guy. Um. Now the question is can you
Speaker 1: put enough around him and can she make the big chump?
Speaker 1: Because don't forget in the case of Josh Allen, I
Speaker 1: mean Joe Barrow was a little bit different because he
Speaker 1: got hurt as a lookie, um. But Josh Allen made
Speaker 1: that big leap. Remember he went up to like seventy completion.
Speaker 1: Well it took like two years. Yeah, but you know
Speaker 1: that's what you're going to have to see from Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson over the next year or two is can he
Speaker 1: make the big jump and can they do enough around
Speaker 1: him to help and make that big jump. Um. But
Speaker 1: they feel good about Zach Wilson. So in that respect,
Speaker 1: you know, they're like a half inch ahead of the Giants,
Speaker 1: who still have to evaluate Daniel Jones. They want to
Speaker 1: put all the chance they can, but they're not sure yet.
Speaker 1: The Jets feel pretty good about Zach Wilson. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay out a scenario to you that I
Speaker 1: had in the Red Lewis mock draft which came out
Speaker 1: this comes out this week here on NFL dot com.
Speaker 1: One and only only do one, like one draft, And
Speaker 1: like I'm like Mike Mayock, and I don't have to
Speaker 1: do this is not like I have no Well that's
Speaker 1: the thing. And and so like I'm sitting there, like
Speaker 1: you know, racking my brain on this thing, going one
Speaker 1: through thirty two. And then I'm listening to all these
Speaker 1: gms have their pre you know, draft press conference, and
Speaker 1: they're all like that's a crapshoot, Like, well, what am
Speaker 1: I doing over here trying to if you can't predict
Speaker 1: this thing, that what am I doing? Um? But but
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this scenario for the Jets, And
Speaker 1: tell me how plausible that you think this might be
Speaker 1: they want a wide receiver badly, and it stands to
Speaker 1: reason that the way that contracts are going right now
Speaker 1: in the NFL juty there's more value and more cost
Speaker 1: control and getting a high level receiver in the draft.
Speaker 1: So if the Jets are sitting there for in ten,
Speaker 1: what's the stop them from getting the number one wide
Speaker 1: receiver on their board at number four overall, rather than
Speaker 1: waiting until number ten when maybe one or two of
Speaker 1: the wide outs that you had right up at the
Speaker 1: top of your positional ranking of those guys is already
Speaker 1: gone and then you have to settle or move on
Speaker 1: in a different way. Like I feel like a wide
Speaker 1: receiver at four could be a real possibility because now
Speaker 1: the Giants might be in the wide receiver market with
Speaker 1: Candarius Tony, you know, potentially winning out of New York,
Speaker 1: and then the Falcons at eight, so like there are
Speaker 1: a couple of teams up there that might get, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy that maybe the Jets have been targeting. Sure,
Speaker 1: I don't know anything out of this draft because if
Speaker 1: it has, I mean we've seen the entire offseason has
Speaker 1: been unpredictable, but this draft is the most unpredictable that
Speaker 1: I can remember years. I mean, we literally don't know
Speaker 1: who's going number one the first part of it. Um,
Speaker 1: I agree with you, they could go receiver, except I
Speaker 1: wonder how they evaluate with the receivers because it's a
Speaker 1: pretty good receiver class. So do they feel, well, you know,
Speaker 1: you get with your first pick in the first round,
Speaker 1: you get a soft partner for example, which is another
Speaker 1: real acition of need for them. And then you know
Speaker 1: later on at ten, um, if you don't trade back,
Speaker 1: you know, that's the place where you could get a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. Yea. Honestly, I think all of this depends
Speaker 1: on how the board falls on there and what's in
Speaker 1: front of them when they're on the clock. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: again for the Giants and Jets both, like when when
Speaker 1: you need to upgrade this many positions, there's almost no
Speaker 1: position you could take that counts as like, what that's
Speaker 1: a bad choice right right? Everything it looks it is,
Speaker 1: And yeah, it depends on whether we get three edge
Speaker 1: rushers in the first three picks, whether we get one
Speaker 1: of the tackles goes. Before the Jets are on the
Speaker 1: we have no idea what Houston is going to do, right,
Speaker 1: So that's another spot where You're like, that could change
Speaker 1: the whole course. Yeah. I mean they're like the Giants
Speaker 1: and the Jets and that they could use a player
Speaker 1: literally every position. Um, and the Lions aren't that far
Speaker 1: off from that, although they feel pretty set at the
Speaker 1: toime cockle spots. So like that, there's just there are
Speaker 1: a lot of variables here in a lot of moving pieces,
Speaker 1: and if you're here for the chaos and drama and intrigue,
Speaker 1: then this draft is for you, like simply like this
Speaker 1: is why I cannot wait for Thursday is because, like
Speaker 1: you know, I filled out a mock draft one through thirty,
Speaker 1: I might not get one right, yes, like I might
Speaker 1: not get one projection right, a right friend of mine,
Speaker 1: So I don't have to do a mock draft, but
Speaker 1: whether everyone who does have to do a mock draft
Speaker 1: was asking me the other day, like what what do
Speaker 1: you think? How should I mock the first ten picks?
Speaker 1: And I was like no, He's like, I just want
Speaker 1: to get one of these right, And I'm like, well
Speaker 1: you might not, like right, yeah, right, no idea. So
Speaker 1: I do think this is going to be intriguing. And look,
Speaker 1: we're not even accounting for trading out like which I
Speaker 1: think clients would like very much to do to trade back, Right,
Speaker 1: that's gonna happen. Our team is looking to come up.
Speaker 1: It doesn't, it doesn't. It doesn't sound like there's a
Speaker 1: rush to to move up the word yeah, it's going
Speaker 1: to be a fascinating first round though. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: I can certainly understand the you know, the desire to
Speaker 1: move out, but the desire to move up has to
Speaker 1: be there by someone, and I'm not sure that there's
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of those out there exactly exactly. And
Speaker 1: then you know, and the teams with multiple first round
Speaker 1: picks that the Giants and the Jets would love for quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: love for quarterbacks to go early, but this isn't the
Speaker 1: year it feels like for that to happen, because then
Speaker 1: you get, you know, the better positional players push their
Speaker 1: way down a little bit. So there's uh, look it's
Speaker 1: gonna be. And then here's the thing, like, here's here's
Speaker 1: what I'm hoping for my mock draft. Okay, that I
Speaker 1: at least get like the majority of the right names
Speaker 1: into the two you know what I mean, Like, if
Speaker 1: I can just get like the thirty two players that
Speaker 1: go into the first thirty two spots. I don't care
Speaker 1: where they end up. Like, all right, we essentially agree
Speaker 1: on the thirty two best players in the league. That's
Speaker 1: fair trade. Screwed all love. That was so much easier
Speaker 1: when it was like quarterback. Yeah, like this year, it's
Speaker 1: just it's I'm sure it's great for Charlie Luke are fantastic,
Speaker 1: Oh yes, yes, I mean it's mah trying to predict
Speaker 1: what's going to happen here. And what's even more manham
Speaker 1: and indicators when you talk to people in the league,
Speaker 1: when you talk to team officials, but they don't know
Speaker 1: what other teams are doing, right, Like they're not getting
Speaker 1: a degreed on like you know, what do they What
Speaker 1: do you think they're going to do? Like how many quarterbacks? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't know. I mean there's by the way, and
Speaker 1: I have these chats with Daniels Jeremiah um every day
Speaker 1: during our path of the draft seas. He's so well
Speaker 1: connected with all of these guys and it's you know,
Speaker 1: he's the best in the business. And he was talking
Speaker 1: to me about conversations he's had with a with with
Speaker 1: two different gms on the same player, one of which
Speaker 1: Sees said player as a first round pick, one of
Speaker 1: which has a sixth round grade on the same player.
Speaker 1: Out like to think about the disparity and that and
Speaker 1: the value in the positional value. And it's just tweeted,
Speaker 1: was it this morning when he said if this draft
Speaker 1: had an emoji, it would be the shrug emoji. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: I don't know. And by the way, you're you're just
Speaker 1: to kind of put this whole thing full bring this
Speaker 1: whole thing full circle here about the you know, volatility
Speaker 1: of this draft, in this draft class, and of the
Speaker 1: state of New York football. The Buffalo Bills at pick
Speaker 1: number twenty five play over in Western New York, right,
Speaker 1: and you know, are back to back AFC East champions.
Speaker 1: They're an AFC East contender, they're popular Super Bowl pick. Um.
Speaker 1: They could literally go anywhere with their choice at five,
Speaker 1: but for the entirely opposite reasons that the Jets and
Speaker 1: the Giants could go anywhere, because they're pretty well stacked
Speaker 1: as a roster. Yes, there's no need for them, Yes,
Speaker 1: which is what a sweet pot for them, I think. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're cool. That's why we're talking about like a running
Speaker 1: back going to the to the Bills. In the first round.
Speaker 1: And because I know that's exactly what Robert Salom was
Speaker 1: talking about, right, like, it's only a few years ago,
Speaker 1: not that long ago. And look at how fast it flipped.
Speaker 1: Like if you hit on the right plate pick, especially
Speaker 1: the quarterback. That's it. It's so funny. This is just
Speaker 1: this is gonna be so much fun. I hope you
Speaker 1: guys are all along for the ride. Here. We've got
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Speaker 1: To be sure to check out my mock draft as well,
Speaker 1: which comes out today, And I'll be with you on
Speaker 1: Path to the Draft each and every day up until
Speaker 1: the first round kicks off on Thursday, every day six
Speaker 1: pm Eastern time. Judy, this has been fun. Thanks so
Speaker 1: much for being with US's lock on your all right,
Speaker 1: thank you. It'll be the first universally accepted and applauded
Speaker 1: mock draft in the history of mock cross. All right,
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