WEBVTT - How the Giants and Jets can escape from disarray 0:00:05.058 --> 0:00:07.778 NFL Inside Report is the production of the NFL in 0:00:07.898 --> 0:00:21.778 partnership with I Heart Radio. I'm Red Lewis and this 0:00:22.258 --> 0:00:28.178 is NFL Inside Report. It's Draft week and two teams 0:00:28.858 --> 0:00:33.258 have an opportunity to be power players within the top 0:00:33.738 --> 0:00:37.258 ten of this year's NFL draft. Talking about the New 0:00:37.338 --> 0:00:40.058 York Jets and the New York Giants, two of the 0:00:40.178 --> 0:00:43.338 eight teams with multiple first round draft picks, but both 0:00:43.418 --> 0:00:46.458 the Jets of the Giants with those two first rounders 0:00:46.978 --> 0:00:50.178 within the top ten of this year's draft, and safe 0:00:50.218 --> 0:00:54.618 to say that they have earned those selections, especially over 0:00:54.618 --> 0:00:56.338 the course of the last few years. And that's what 0:00:56.378 --> 0:00:59.058 we're diving into today with Judy Batista is gonna join 0:00:59.138 --> 0:01:01.978 us here in the state of frustration in what she 0:01:02.178 --> 0:01:08.298 calls the Gotham area gridiron A fantastic word choice there, 0:01:08.538 --> 0:01:11.778 and Judy is with us here on today's episode to 0:01:11.938 --> 0:01:16.058 detail the futility here that the Giants and Jets have 0:01:16.218 --> 0:01:19.818 found themselves in and then how this draft could help 0:01:20.618 --> 0:01:22.978 them climb their way out of this hole. Judy, great 0:01:23.018 --> 0:01:25.178 to be back here with you. Great to be here. 0:01:25.218 --> 0:01:31.098 I wish it were under you know, better circumstances. Sure teams, Yes, 0:01:31.178 --> 0:01:35.938 for Judy's home teams. Come on, um, so Judy, we 0:01:36.098 --> 0:01:38.018 you and I were just chatting a bit before we 0:01:38.058 --> 0:01:40.098 started here. And you know in the piece you talk 0:01:40.138 --> 0:01:42.258 about Giants haven't been in the playoffs in five years. 0:01:42.538 --> 0:01:46.618 Jets it's been longer, right, since over a decade now 0:01:46.698 --> 0:01:50.578 since the Jets last found themselves into the postseason. And look, 0:01:50.578 --> 0:01:53.538 when you combine the two records of the teams that 0:01:53.578 --> 0:01:58.298 share MetLife Stadium, it's not pretty. How would you describe 0:01:58.378 --> 0:02:01.738 kind of your unearthing of some of this, uh, this 0:02:01.898 --> 0:02:04.738 lack of winning over these last few years for these teams. 0:02:05.218 --> 0:02:08.818 So when our editors asked me just maybe like for 0:02:08.858 --> 0:02:10.578 the draft, like, why don't you look at the two 0:02:10.578 --> 0:02:13.058 New York teams because they have you know, they each 0:02:13.098 --> 0:02:14.778 have two first round draft picks. I you know, I 0:02:14.818 --> 0:02:17.858 turned to our fantastic research department and I said, can 0:02:17.898 --> 0:02:20.138 you give me any context on just how bad they are? 0:02:20.138 --> 0:02:22.738 And they, like, you know, within forty five seconds, they 0:02:22.818 --> 0:02:27.858 shot back this email with share like the worst record 0:02:27.898 --> 0:02:30.098 in the NFL over the last five years, which I 0:02:30.138 --> 0:02:32.418 had not realized. And I was like, oh my god, 0:02:32.458 --> 0:02:36.138 but the worst lot of fat But um, you know, 0:02:36.178 --> 0:02:38.298 I mean it's really bad. Like, look, just from somebody 0:02:38.298 --> 0:02:41.098 who lives in New York, I mean, I know that 0:02:41.138 --> 0:02:46.618 the teams are not relevant, um past November, and that's late, 0:02:46.978 --> 0:02:50.138 you know. I mean our friend and Hollique Peter Schreeger 0:02:50.218 --> 0:02:52.178 was talking about it on Good Morning Football this morning 0:02:52.178 --> 0:02:54.578 and he said, like, they never get to talk about 0:02:54.578 --> 0:02:57.858 the Jets and Giants on Good Morning Football after like 0:02:57.938 --> 0:03:00.498 the first month of the season because they're not relevant, 0:03:00.498 --> 0:03:04.778 they're not playing meaningful games. Um, I mean it's bad, 0:03:05.018 --> 0:03:07.218 you know. I mean, it's been a series, a long 0:03:07.378 --> 0:03:11.698 series of missteps by both teams. Um, you know, but 0:03:11.738 --> 0:03:15.618 obviously this draft presents a rare opportunity for for both 0:03:15.658 --> 0:03:19.298 teams to you know, to flip it pretty quickly. Yeah, 0:03:19.338 --> 0:03:21.258 they are front and center though of all of the 0:03:21.338 --> 0:03:24.058 draft conversation here, and you know, depending on how you 0:03:24.058 --> 0:03:26.538 look at it, that's not necessarily a great thing unless 0:03:26.578 --> 0:03:30.098 you use that capital for good and that is obviously 0:03:30.618 --> 0:03:33.178 what both teams are trying to do here, um as 0:03:33.498 --> 0:03:35.578 as they embark on this draft, which we'll get to 0:03:35.698 --> 0:03:37.418 here in just a couple of days. But before we 0:03:37.418 --> 0:03:41.258 get back into that, and let's just I mean, because 0:03:41.258 --> 0:03:44.618 you did a great job of kind of painting the 0:03:44.738 --> 0:03:48.898 picture of how New Yorkers feel about their teams, and 0:03:48.978 --> 0:03:51.058 some of them have in fact taken to the skies 0:03:51.778 --> 0:03:56.018 to voice their displeasure duty for both teams. Yeah, so 0:03:56.058 --> 0:03:58.578 back in the seventies, this is something that happened with 0:03:58.618 --> 0:04:01.378 the Giants that John Marraw, the owner of the Giants, 0:04:01.418 --> 0:04:04.778 still references. Um. It was when his father was still 0:04:05.058 --> 0:04:07.938 and still on the team. Um. But fans were so 0:04:08.138 --> 0:04:11.058 disgusted with how the Giants were at that point that 0:04:11.618 --> 0:04:13.818 they rented a banner plane and you know, flew it 0:04:13.898 --> 0:04:18.218 overhead and you know, fifteen years, we've had enough. And 0:04:18.498 --> 0:04:21.258 the good news for the Giants is after that they 0:04:21.298 --> 0:04:23.738 started making changes and a few years later they were 0:04:24.098 --> 0:04:27.498 in the playoffs. They hired worked One as the general manager, 0:04:27.618 --> 0:04:31.058 which is really the decision that led to everything good 0:04:31.138 --> 0:04:35.458 that has happened for the Giants since then. Um. And 0:04:35.538 --> 0:04:38.218 in a strange echo of it a few years ago 0:04:38.338 --> 0:04:41.578 at the Jets practice facility during practice one day, you know, 0:04:41.658 --> 0:04:44.498 a plane who flew overhead calling for the firing of 0:04:44.978 --> 0:04:47.538 then general manager John It's And that was a really 0:04:47.578 --> 0:04:50.258 strange thing because like literally the team was out there 0:04:50.258 --> 0:04:53.458 getting ready to practice and you know, the team were 0:04:53.538 --> 0:04:55.778 like looking up in the sky at this banner plane 0:04:56.058 --> 0:04:59.858 that sort of circled Flora Park a few times. So, um, yeah, 0:04:59.858 --> 0:05:03.538 I mean fans are frustrated and just sort of you know, 0:05:03.738 --> 0:05:07.498 disbelieving and at and and again, like it's not even 0:05:07.578 --> 0:05:12.978 that they're bad, it's that they're irrelevant. That's really bad part. Right, 0:05:13.018 --> 0:05:15.058 It's not like you're fighting, you know, towards the end 0:05:15.098 --> 0:05:17.178 and like, yeah, you just fall short in week eighteen 0:05:17.338 --> 0:05:19.698 for the seventh and final playoff spot in the conference. 0:05:19.818 --> 0:05:21.658 We're not We're not even there. I mean that the 0:05:21.698 --> 0:05:24.138 season had ended four weeks prior. For both of these teams. 0:05:24.138 --> 0:05:26.938 It felt like listen when Joe Douglas said at the 0:05:27.018 --> 0:05:30.018 Combine not the Combine, it was at the meeting a 0:05:30.058 --> 0:05:32.378 few weeks ago when he said, you know, I think 0:05:32.418 --> 0:05:34.858 we should be playing meaningful games in December. And I 0:05:34.898 --> 0:05:36.898 know some people rolled their us because it's like, well 0:05:36.938 --> 0:05:38.938 that's not a very high part, and it's like, well, 0:05:39.018 --> 0:05:42.658 that would be real product actually to be playing a 0:05:42.698 --> 0:05:45.458 meaningful game into December. So you know they'll take that. 0:05:45.458 --> 0:05:48.338 That would be good. And you talk about not being 0:05:48.378 --> 0:05:53.458 able to pinpoint one area or one moment where this 0:05:53.578 --> 0:05:56.098 all started to go terribly awry. I mean, like, look, 0:05:56.458 --> 0:05:58.258 you gotta go back. You know, when you talk about 0:05:58.298 --> 0:06:00.218 the Jets last making the playoffs, we're talking about Rex 0:06:00.298 --> 0:06:02.498 Ryan as the head coach, and think about how fin 0:06:02.738 --> 0:06:05.138 he've been out of the league, you know for for 0:06:05.218 --> 0:06:07.738 a while now. Um, so to think about that, and 0:06:07.778 --> 0:06:11.218 then you know, for the Giants, you know, obviously I 0:06:11.218 --> 0:06:13.658 haven't been in the playoffs without Eli Manning um and 0:06:13.738 --> 0:06:16.138 so you know that that's that's a part of it 0:06:16.178 --> 0:06:20.338 to turnover at franchise quarterback, inability to find one for 0:06:20.378 --> 0:06:22.858 the Jets, you know, it is part of this thing 0:06:23.218 --> 0:06:26.498 to write. Yeah, you know, I talked to Boomer Size 0:06:26.538 --> 0:06:29.378 and the former Jets in Bengals quarterback who is now 0:06:29.538 --> 0:06:34.098 a very very popular sports talk radio host here in 0:06:34.178 --> 0:06:36.498 New York, and so he hears it from both fan 0:06:36.538 --> 0:06:39.298 bases and and and he said, like, you can't put 0:06:39.338 --> 0:06:40.778 your finger on just one thing. He said, you know, 0:06:40.858 --> 0:06:44.218 Jets fans tend to blame ownership, and Giants fans want 0:06:44.218 --> 0:06:47.898 to pin everything on Dave geentleman. But obviously it goes 0:06:47.978 --> 0:06:50.218 much further than that. When you know, when the bottom 0:06:50.218 --> 0:06:52.818 falls out, it's not just one reason there's much more. 0:06:53.338 --> 0:06:56.058 You know, certainly, you're right, like the Giants, obviously the 0:06:56.098 --> 0:06:59.098 post Eli Manning era has has not been good, but 0:06:59.178 --> 0:07:02.778 also they have turned over coaches every two years now. 0:07:02.818 --> 0:07:06.178 For the Giants, it's like, right, this is one of 0:07:06.178 --> 0:07:11.698 the most stable franchises that values stability and continuity. UM. 0:07:11.778 --> 0:07:15.058 So that is very out of character for them. They 0:07:15.098 --> 0:07:19.138 felt it's been needed. You know, they've had some underperforming 0:07:19.218 --> 0:07:22.778 draft picks. Um. You know, obviously, I think we can 0:07:22.818 --> 0:07:25.178 say that the hiring of Dave Galman was probably a 0:07:25.178 --> 0:07:29.498 mistake at general manager. Um. You know, things just haven't 0:07:29.498 --> 0:07:33.258 worked recent decisions, and the Jets the same same thing, 0:07:33.378 --> 0:07:36.938 you know, bad draft picks, that coaching fits, bad general 0:07:36.978 --> 0:07:40.738 manager hires. I thought it was remarkable how the same 0:07:40.738 --> 0:07:44.258 factors were contributing to both teams. I mean, the Giants 0:07:44.258 --> 0:07:47.858 had has had more recent high level success, They've won 0:07:48.058 --> 0:07:52.938 two Super Bowls, um, but the missteps were similar for 0:07:52.978 --> 0:07:59.218 both teams. Yeah, and look you mentioned, um the hiring 0:07:59.258 --> 0:08:03.138 of George Young as the piece that turned around that 0:08:03.178 --> 0:08:06.178 struggling Giants franchise at the time, and now one you know, 0:08:06.218 --> 0:08:10.538 four super bowls since then, and now they have another 0:08:10.898 --> 0:08:15.578 new general manager in Joe Shane, how does he carve 0:08:15.978 --> 0:08:21.178 his path for success kind of starting on Thursday. Yeah, Well, 0:08:21.178 --> 0:08:22.618 first of all, I wouldn't want to put it on 0:08:22.698 --> 0:08:25.738 Jerry Shane to try to George Young did because that 0:08:26.338 --> 0:08:29.778 high high to reach, So I don't want to do 0:08:29.818 --> 0:08:33.698 that to jer Shane. But look, he has already I 0:08:33.738 --> 0:08:36.298 think started to carve his own path in this offseason. 0:08:36.338 --> 0:08:39.738 I mean, he inherited a really bad salary cap situation 0:08:39.778 --> 0:08:42.538 and he was pretty honest that like that was going 0:08:42.578 --> 0:08:44.418 to be what had to happen this off season. They 0:08:44.458 --> 0:08:46.418 had to clean that up. He had to cut he 0:08:46.458 --> 0:08:49.898 said at the time, forty million dollars in cameral So 0:08:50.858 --> 0:08:53.458 I think he's already started doing that. They've had a 0:08:53.498 --> 0:08:57.378 modest free agency spending period where they made some improvements 0:08:57.418 --> 0:09:01.018 to the offensive line. But certainly whatever he does UM 0:09:01.058 --> 0:09:05.698 starting Thursday is going to have the biggest immediate impact UM. 0:09:05.738 --> 0:09:08.538 And with two such high draft picks, I think the 0:09:08.618 --> 0:09:10.778 question is do you get if you get to blue 0:09:10.858 --> 0:09:13.298 chip players right they have to be plug and play 0:09:13.338 --> 0:09:17.858 guys who make an immediate impact. Or does he go 0:09:17.978 --> 0:09:20.898 and try to trade out of one of those picks 0:09:20.898 --> 0:09:23.378 and pick up a lot more ammunition which they could 0:09:23.458 --> 0:09:26.898 use now um, and they could also use potentially next 0:09:26.978 --> 0:09:29.178 year if they pick up an extra first rounder next year, 0:09:29.258 --> 0:09:31.898 when you know they could be in the market for 0:09:31.938 --> 0:09:34.418 a quarterback if Daniel Jones does not pan out the 0:09:34.458 --> 0:09:36.738 way everybody hopes he does. Yeah, it's kind of a 0:09:37.018 --> 0:09:39.018 it's kind of a fine line that they're towing here 0:09:39.298 --> 0:09:42.538 because you want to as you know, when John marrisond 0:09:42.538 --> 0:09:44.818 we've tried everything we we can to screw this kid up, 0:09:44.898 --> 0:09:47.098 you know, a few months ago after the season, you know, 0:09:47.138 --> 0:09:48.978 you're like, Okay, yeah, well let's let's give him a 0:09:49.018 --> 0:09:51.498 real shot. Right and certainly feel like Brian day Bole 0:09:51.578 --> 0:09:54.738 coming in as the head coach is type of coach 0:09:54.778 --> 0:09:57.538 and offensive mind, you know, like we saw work Wonders 0:09:57.578 --> 0:10:00.658 in in Buffalo with Josh Allen that could help bring 0:10:00.738 --> 0:10:03.778 Daniel Jones along. But you've also if that's the case, 0:10:03.818 --> 0:10:06.378 if you want to get a true ofvaluation, you're using 0:10:06.418 --> 0:10:10.058 this draft to support him in a big way, right 0:10:10.138 --> 0:10:12.658 and so and then to also think about, well, what 0:10:12.738 --> 0:10:15.298 if we're able to plan for the future, you know, 0:10:15.338 --> 0:10:17.338 by moving out of one of these picks. So you're 0:10:17.418 --> 0:10:19.738 supporting maybe a little bit less, but also kind of 0:10:20.058 --> 0:10:22.578 on the back end, hedging your bets. Um. So it 0:10:22.618 --> 0:10:24.298 does feel like a kind of a fine line for 0:10:24.338 --> 0:10:26.618 them to tell, especially if they want, if they truly 0:10:26.738 --> 0:10:29.618 want to get that, you know, this year of evaluation 0:10:29.658 --> 0:10:31.818 for Daniel Jones and then make a decision, right, Judy, 0:10:32.178 --> 0:10:35.338 Will you keep hearing teams use the phrase like competitive 0:10:35.418 --> 0:10:37.858 rebuild and that's sort of what they're talking about at 0:10:37.858 --> 0:10:41.138 the chat. They don't want to bother out, but they 0:10:41.138 --> 0:10:45.218 want to be competitive. But but they're clearly retooling the roster, 0:10:45.378 --> 0:10:47.298 and they have to recool the roster and they have 0:10:47.378 --> 0:10:49.978 to especially on the offensive line, which has been shambles 0:10:50.018 --> 0:10:52.618 for years, and that I think more than anything, if 0:10:52.618 --> 0:10:55.578 they can just get the offensive line to be decent, 0:10:55.858 --> 0:10:59.138 that would help Daniel Jones. It would help safe one Barkley. Um, 0:10:59.138 --> 0:11:01.578 there's another employer that they're going to have to evaluate 0:11:01.618 --> 0:11:04.338 this year. But I do think they feel like you've 0:11:04.418 --> 0:11:07.138 you've got to do your best to put pieces around 0:11:07.178 --> 0:11:10.058 Daniel Jones to help him be successful. Not just for 0:11:10.138 --> 0:11:13.098 Daniel Joneses don't safe, but for the franchise's sake. You've 0:11:13.098 --> 0:11:16.778 got to find out if this first round quarterback is 0:11:16.818 --> 0:11:19.538 what she thought he wasn't and they have not done 0:11:19.698 --> 0:11:22.658 enough to give him the opportunity to show that. Yeah, 0:11:22.698 --> 0:11:25.058 I think that's fair. And then you know, looking at uh, 0:11:25.298 --> 0:11:27.738 you know, obviously Andrew Thomas top five pick a couple 0:11:27.738 --> 0:11:29.898 of years ago at left tackle, feel pretty good about 0:11:29.898 --> 0:11:31.858 the way that's trending there. So you're hoping, you know, 0:11:31.938 --> 0:11:33.618 maybe at five or seven, you get one of the 0:11:33.618 --> 0:11:36.178 top two tackles in this draft, put him over on 0:11:36.178 --> 0:11:38.378 the right side, and now you've at least solidified or 0:11:38.418 --> 0:11:40.938 you hope you've at least solidified both of the tackle 0:11:40.978 --> 0:11:42.778 spots there. And then you know, with the other pick, 0:11:42.818 --> 0:11:44.538 maybe you're left to get the best efensive player on 0:11:44.538 --> 0:11:46.578 the board. You know, whichever way that is, it would 0:11:46.578 --> 0:11:50.098 be great if they get one of the good rushers. 0:11:50.138 --> 0:11:51.858 I mean, the good news for the Giants, if you 0:11:51.898 --> 0:11:53.418 want to look at this on the brand side, is 0:11:53.778 --> 0:11:58.018 there needs dovetail nicely with the strengths of this draft, right. 0:11:58.538 --> 0:12:01.178 They need offense, They need an offensive tackle, and they 0:12:01.178 --> 0:12:05.058 need an edge rusher in the corner and anyone that 0:12:05.178 --> 0:12:08.858 do depending on when James Bradberry makes his exit. Right, 0:12:09.058 --> 0:12:11.818 So the good news is they do have a good 0:12:11.858 --> 0:12:14.338 field to pick from yeah, and then look then we've 0:12:14.338 --> 0:12:15.778 got high level picks at the top of the second 0:12:15.818 --> 0:12:17.938 and third rounds too, so that the draft doesn't end 0:12:17.938 --> 0:12:19.658 in the top ten, although it's a big piece of 0:12:19.698 --> 0:12:22.778 this thing, um, and they will definitely be a power 0:12:22.858 --> 0:12:27.738 player on April when we kick off the NFL Draft 0:12:28.058 --> 0:12:31.058 live from Las Vegas, and from everybody just listening to 0:12:31.098 --> 0:12:34.298 us today, just a reminder that a copy of Judy story, Um, 0:12:34.338 --> 0:12:37.498 you can find NFL dot com slash Big Apple Draft 0:12:37.658 --> 0:12:41.218 Restoring football in the Big Apple again NFL dot com 0:12:41.458 --> 0:12:46.138 slash Big Apple Draft there and so that's kind of 0:12:46.178 --> 0:12:49.658 a piece on why we got here for the Jets 0:12:49.658 --> 0:12:52.178 and the Giants. Look at how the Giants try to 0:12:52.218 --> 0:12:56.178 climb themselves out and now let's take a look at 0:12:56.218 --> 0:12:58.938 the Jets path forward here. We'll do that right after 0:12:58.978 --> 0:13:18.858 this quick break, all right back here with Judy Batista 0:13:18.938 --> 0:13:22.298 on this episode of NFL Inside Report. Reminder that Judy's 0:13:22.298 --> 0:13:24.858 piece right now on the state of football in the 0:13:24.898 --> 0:13:28.298 New York area out right now NFL dot com slash 0:13:28.418 --> 0:13:31.658 Big Apple Draft. As the Jets and the Giants to 0:13:31.858 --> 0:13:34.578 the eight teams with multiple first round draft picks. Both 0:13:34.698 --> 0:13:37.658 of those teams with those two first rounders in the 0:13:37.698 --> 0:13:39.698 top ten for the Jets, they sit at four and ten. 0:13:39.818 --> 0:13:41.578 But let's take another look back here a little bit 0:13:41.618 --> 0:13:43.738 on how we got here for the Jets. For the 0:13:43.738 --> 0:13:46.658 owner Woody Johnson, as you talk about in the story here, 0:13:47.698 --> 0:13:57.538 reads comments on social media. But brave also, I would say, right, yeah, 0:13:57.578 --> 0:13:59.538 I mean it kind of it strikes you is like 0:13:59.658 --> 0:14:01.858 you know, usually you know, maybe that's something that you 0:14:01.898 --> 0:14:05.378 know and in a position of ownership, you might, yeah, 0:14:05.458 --> 0:14:08.698 trying to leave that stuff alone. Right, But he's into it. Well, 0:14:08.738 --> 0:14:12.178 he's really into social media anyway. But I'm surprised when 0:14:12.178 --> 0:14:13.978 he said he reads the comments, and you know, he 0:14:14.138 --> 0:14:16.138 sort of said, like laughing, he said, look, I've been 0:14:16.178 --> 0:14:18.058 doing this twenty years, Like I feel their pain that 0:14:18.178 --> 0:14:20.698 you know, he's heard it all before. So, uh, he 0:14:20.778 --> 0:14:24.698 understands the frustration of Jets fans. He's one of them. Um. 0:14:25.098 --> 0:14:28.178 You know, I think if you could point to one 0:14:28.298 --> 0:14:32.258 thing about the Jets, it's the complete inability to land 0:14:32.258 --> 0:14:36.258 a franchise quarterback. I mean they've tried repeatedly, um and 0:14:36.338 --> 0:14:38.658 it just hasn't worked. And you know, I thought it 0:14:38.738 --> 0:14:40.618 looked good for a while there with Mark Sanchez, don't 0:14:40.618 --> 0:14:43.698 forget they make the AFC Championship game and back to 0:14:43.738 --> 0:14:49.138 back here with Mark Sanchez, that was a defensive dominated team, 0:14:49.178 --> 0:14:53.218 but still it's the C Championship game, you know. And 0:14:53.218 --> 0:14:56.338 and then it's that the wheels have been spinning ever since. Um. 0:14:56.378 --> 0:14:59.018 And then I you know, I agree with Boomer size, 0:14:59.058 --> 0:15:02.338 and when they acquired Tim Tebow, that is when I 0:15:02.378 --> 0:15:05.058 felt like things were really sort of careening off, like 0:15:05.138 --> 0:15:09.818 where are we headed here? So right, um, yeah, do 0:15:09.818 --> 0:15:12.658 you think this card for interest seems to be on 0:15:12.698 --> 0:15:14.698 the same page with each other? And that is, as 0:15:14.778 --> 0:15:17.658 Rady Johnson himself pointed out, that has not always been 0:15:17.698 --> 0:15:20.618 the case. So that's a step forward. Sure, sure, and 0:15:20.778 --> 0:15:22.178 it does. Yeah, Like I said, it feels like the 0:15:22.258 --> 0:15:24.578 coach and GM runlocked step. And they're also you know, 0:15:24.698 --> 0:15:26.538 united together to try to get you know, trying to 0:15:26.578 --> 0:15:29.058 make Zach Wilson work as the franchise quarterback. And I 0:15:29.098 --> 0:15:31.618 think there have been some signs of progress on that front. 0:15:31.978 --> 0:15:34.578 And now it's it's continuing to build around him and 0:15:34.618 --> 0:15:36.178 that's part of what they're gonna do here, and that's 0:15:36.218 --> 0:15:38.818 part of what they were trying to do Judy earlier 0:15:38.818 --> 0:15:41.498 this offseason when they probably felt like they had a 0:15:41.498 --> 0:15:44.458 pretty good shot to get Tyreek Hill, and you know, 0:15:44.498 --> 0:15:47.618 we're offered a good deal and a nice compensation package 0:15:47.658 --> 0:15:50.618 for the Chiefs, Tyreek opted to go to Miami. So 0:15:50.658 --> 0:15:53.258 if we ever thought that the Jets were going to 0:15:53.298 --> 0:15:55.058 be in the wide receiver market in the top ten 0:15:55.098 --> 0:15:56.498 of this draft, the fact that they went out and 0:15:56.498 --> 0:15:58.138 tried to get one of the best in the league 0:15:58.698 --> 0:16:01.098 and and you know, couldn't get it done certainly makes 0:16:01.138 --> 0:16:02.778 it feel like that's a place they could go in 0:16:02.818 --> 0:16:07.098 this draft if you know, another more key wide receiver 0:16:07.178 --> 0:16:09.978 doesn't come available, like let's say Deebo Samuel or a 0:16:10.098 --> 0:16:12.298 J Brown or you know someone else. You know, because 0:16:12.298 --> 0:16:15.498 it has happened the Saw season a couple of times. Yeah, 0:16:15.538 --> 0:16:18.218 the Jets have four picks in the top forties, So 0:16:18.258 --> 0:16:21.178 they have a whole lot of ammunition either to pick 0:16:21.338 --> 0:16:24.538 those four picks or to use some of that in 0:16:24.578 --> 0:16:27.818 a trade. UM. Now, obviously they've been linked with Deepo 0:16:27.938 --> 0:16:31.098 Samuel a lot. I'm nobody's really sure for forty Niners 0:16:31.098 --> 0:16:33.458 are interested in trading people Samuel as much as he 0:16:33.618 --> 0:16:36.818 might be interested as he is in leaving UM. But 0:16:36.938 --> 0:16:40.818 whichever way they go, Uh, they have a lot of ammunition. 0:16:40.938 --> 0:16:43.658 And Joe Douglas said when he met with the media 0:16:43.778 --> 0:16:46.258 last week, and when you're picking in the in the 0:16:46.298 --> 0:16:49.298 first and second round, those guys should be immediate starters. 0:16:49.338 --> 0:16:53.298 So if they exercise all four of those picks, that's 0:16:53.498 --> 0:16:57.298 four starters brand new on the team. Like you've got 0:16:57.298 --> 0:17:00.578 to be able to turn the tide if you've got 0:17:00.618 --> 0:17:03.498 that many blue chip players combined with last year they 0:17:03.498 --> 0:17:06.618 had two first round draft picks, So that's a lot 0:17:06.658 --> 0:17:09.698 of draft capital, um that should be on the field. 0:17:10.178 --> 0:17:12.538 I agree with you. I thought Zach Wilson, especially late 0:17:12.578 --> 0:17:14.658 in the season, shows sis. First of all, I think 0:17:14.698 --> 0:17:18.818 he's really tough and rebilliant, and I thought that it 0:17:19.018 --> 0:17:21.578 seemed like things were coming to him better late in 0:17:21.578 --> 0:17:23.058 the season when he got back on the field, So 0:17:23.178 --> 0:17:26.898 that was encouraging for him. They believe in him. Um, 0:17:26.978 --> 0:17:29.418 they do need weapons for him, I mean they you know, 0:17:29.698 --> 0:17:32.658 a top tier receiver, whether it's in a trade or 0:17:32.938 --> 0:17:36.938 through the draft, would be a big help to him. Yes, certainly. 0:17:37.018 --> 0:17:39.858 And how do you feel like the organization, Um, you know, 0:17:39.898 --> 0:17:42.578 maybe outside of Joe Douglas, who obviously made as strong 0:17:42.658 --> 0:17:44.378 as strong as push as he could to get Tyreek 0:17:44.418 --> 0:17:47.098 Hill feels about not getting that done, Like is that is? 0:17:47.138 --> 0:17:50.698 That is it looked upon as man, here we go 0:17:50.938 --> 0:17:55.658 you know another Now, I actually think, um, they felt 0:17:55.658 --> 0:17:59.018 good about it. I think they felt good about being aggressive, 0:17:59.178 --> 0:18:03.338 that they had the weapons and let's be aggressive, let's 0:18:03.338 --> 0:18:05.778 swing for the fence here. This is one of the 0:18:05.818 --> 0:18:08.338 top receivers in the league. Let's go for it. Um. 0:18:08.538 --> 0:18:10.178 So I think they feel good about that. I think 0:18:10.178 --> 0:18:13.538 they understood the circumstances that Tyree probably wanted to be 0:18:13.578 --> 0:18:16.258 in Miami, you know, for personal reasons. You wanted Tom 0:18:16.618 --> 0:18:20.538 and that's fine, that's going to happen. But I think 0:18:20.538 --> 0:18:23.258 they felt good about being able to say, look, we 0:18:23.298 --> 0:18:26.058 went forward and this is an indication that we're going 0:18:26.138 --> 0:18:28.618 to go for it. If that's the point, we're going 0:18:28.658 --> 0:18:31.258 to go for it. And that hasn't always been the case. 0:18:31.418 --> 0:18:34.338 And so I think that that that feels good. And 0:18:34.738 --> 0:18:37.378 it happens to line up with a time when they 0:18:37.458 --> 0:18:40.458 have a lot um at their disposal. They've got a 0:18:40.498 --> 0:18:42.618 lot of draft picks, they had a lot of salary 0:18:42.658 --> 0:18:46.658 cap space this offseason, so they're pushing forward and I 0:18:46.698 --> 0:18:49.458 think that's good for the Jets. Yeah, definitely. Yeah, don't 0:18:49.458 --> 0:18:50.858 look at it as a we didn't you know, we 0:18:50.898 --> 0:18:52.818 didn't get it done, but it was we need to 0:18:52.858 --> 0:18:55.298 push to actually do it, you know, which is which 0:18:55.378 --> 0:18:56.818 you know you could certainly look at as a as 0:18:56.818 --> 0:18:59.418 a step in the right direction for a player of 0:18:59.458 --> 0:19:02.218 that kind of impact right at that kind of position. 0:19:02.298 --> 0:19:04.818 So and then you look, you mentioned the four picks 0:19:04.858 --> 0:19:07.818 in the top forty, and you gotta get four starters there. 0:19:08.018 --> 0:19:11.058 They basically did that last year when you look back 0:19:11.058 --> 0:19:13.858 at Zach Wilson, Elijah Vera Tucker, and then you got 0:19:13.898 --> 0:19:16.458 Elijah more top of the second round who was banged up, 0:19:16.538 --> 0:19:18.338 but you're counting on him to be a top three 0:19:18.498 --> 0:19:20.458 you know, wide receiver in your system here, which you 0:19:20.498 --> 0:19:22.818 know you essentially count on as a starter. And then 0:19:22.858 --> 0:19:24.418 you know Michael Carter is going to be a part 0:19:24.418 --> 0:19:27.058 of the running back rotation as well. Um, you know 0:19:27.098 --> 0:19:29.418 they're depending on you know, where they end up going 0:19:29.458 --> 0:19:32.058 in this in this draft at that position. So you know, 0:19:32.098 --> 0:19:36.498 you think, like you, all right, maybe did that last year. Now, 0:19:36.538 --> 0:19:38.458 how do we duplicate it right? How do we essentially 0:19:38.458 --> 0:19:40.618 Really that's when you start turning rosters over. When you 0:19:40.698 --> 0:19:43.898 hit on picks like this, and you know, I think 0:19:43.898 --> 0:19:45.898 it's there's so many different places that they could go. 0:19:45.938 --> 0:19:47.578 They're kind of like the Giants, Like they could go 0:19:48.178 --> 0:19:50.778 offensive line, they could go edge rusher, they could go corner, 0:19:50.938 --> 0:19:53.978 and those are all kind of needs. But receivers certainly 0:19:54.058 --> 0:19:56.178 up there as well in those In those especially with 0:19:56.218 --> 0:19:59.258 those first two. It's interesting. Joked up us again when 0:19:59.258 --> 0:20:03.138 you talk to reporters last week quoted something Ozzy Knuso says, 0:20:03.258 --> 0:20:06.498 which is like a lot a luxury pick now could 0:20:06.498 --> 0:20:09.738 be a necessity very soon, right, So there's no such 0:20:09.778 --> 0:20:12.178 thing as a luxury pick. He was saying, you always 0:20:12.178 --> 0:20:15.338 have to take the best player available because it may 0:20:15.418 --> 0:20:18.338 look like a luxury today, but you know, in three 0:20:18.378 --> 0:20:22.618 weeks that could be a necessity. So um, look, when 0:20:22.698 --> 0:20:25.098 you're a team that has not won that many games, 0:20:25.138 --> 0:20:28.058 like you could go in almost any direction and that's 0:20:28.058 --> 0:20:29.778 not going to be a luxury pick. You need to 0:20:29.858 --> 0:20:32.938 upgrade the roster all over the place. Another point that 0:20:33.018 --> 0:20:37.418 they've made, both Salah and Douglas have made is they 0:20:37.458 --> 0:20:42.378 can help Zack Wilson as much with offensive weapons, but 0:20:42.458 --> 0:20:45.498 also by improving the defense. The defense was the worst 0:20:45.498 --> 0:20:47.578 than the league last year and was near the bottom 0:20:47.578 --> 0:20:50.938 in passing defense, and their feeling is it's a lot 0:20:51.018 --> 0:20:54.138 easier for young quarterback to operate if he doesn't wake 0:20:54.258 --> 0:20:57.018