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Speaker 1: You're listening to in the Vets Office with doctor Josie Horshak.

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Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, welcome to in the Vets Office. This is

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Speaker 2: your host, doctor Josie and my friend Shannon Ella is

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Speaker 2: here again today.

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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for let me be a part of this.

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Speaker 4: And I'm so excited to find out what the case

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Speaker 4: of the week is this week, because I feel like

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Speaker 4: you have such interesting cases that we would just never

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Speaker 4: know happen in a vet's office.

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Speaker 2: I know it's great. We honestly deserve our own reality show.

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Speaker 2: This is one of my favorite cases, and veterinarians out

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Speaker 2: there will tell you this is not that uncommon.

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Speaker 3: But last week I had we'll call him Chad.

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Speaker 2: Chad brought in his dog and I saw the appointment

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Speaker 2: on my schedule earlier in the day and it was like, hey,

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Speaker 2: my dog has bumped all over her stomach. I'm really

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Speaker 2: worried that they're cancerous. And I'm like, oh, oh no, God,

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Speaker 2: here we go. I would have gone for allergies right

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Speaker 2: away they were bumps, but yeah, well, he's like they're

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Speaker 2: really firm, and I think they just came out of nowhere,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, hey, this this could be really bad.

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Speaker 3: So we're getting ready for it.

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Speaker 2: I get into the exam room and I'm doing my exam.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking all over her belly for these bumps and

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Speaker 2: I'm not finding anything. And I look at him and

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Speaker 2: he's like, no, no, they're right there. And I was like, oh, Chad, sweet,

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Speaker 2: sweet Chad, you mean her nipples.

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Speaker 3: He was mortified. He turned bright red. Poor Chad, Poor Chad.

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Speaker 2: And he looked at me and he was like, so

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Speaker 2: you're telling me that I brought her all the way

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Speaker 2: in here to pay you money to tell me that

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Speaker 2: those are her nipples, And like, that's exactly what I'm

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Speaker 2: telling you.

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Speaker 3: Did you count make sure they were all there? Though?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all the nips are there.

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Speaker 2: And he was like, so you're not going to tell

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Speaker 2: anyone about this, right, And I was like I yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Now I'm going to tell all of my nurses. We're

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Speaker 2: going to get a great belly laugh and like thanks

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Speaker 2: for coming so that we're featuring you on the podcast. Yet,

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Speaker 2: how old is the dog? Because I think she was

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Speaker 2: like two or three. Like she's a full bolen adult,

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Speaker 2: so she's had nipples forever.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So he just.

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Speaker 4: Note he turned her over and was like m when

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Speaker 4: did these come from? Because when I had my French bulldog, Boston,

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Speaker 4: when she was really young, I didn't know when I

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Speaker 4: know when to get her fixed and all that, right,

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Speaker 4: And she was a rescue and I had to get

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Speaker 3: And she had her first cycle and that's a shock.

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Speaker 3: They don't tell you that if they go through their

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Speaker 4: All their nipples pop out. And so I was like,

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Speaker 4: is she pregnant? Did she get out with like some

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Speaker 4: other dog I don't know about, but I was. I

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Speaker 4: didn't take her into the vet and be like, what

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Speaker 4: are these? But right, I did go through something similar.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's after their first seat cycle. There nipples get

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Speaker 2: a lot bigger, Their hu ha gets bigger. Yep, maybe

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Speaker 2: be shocking, to say the least, but at least you note.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I was like, how has it been two

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Speaker 2: to three years? I'm not shaming you. I will never

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Speaker 2: shame a pet owner and this is a judge free zone.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it gave me a good laugh for sure.

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Speaker 3: That's amazing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I bet You're like, well she's healthy. Yeah, yeah, nipples,

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Speaker 3: This is normal, no cancer, and she's going to live

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Speaker 3: a beautiful life. I love that, I know.

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Speaker 2: Okay, next up we are going to do some audience

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Speaker 2: in and leave voicemails, so we're going to play them

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Speaker 2: and then we'll get to answering them.

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Speaker 3: Awesome, Doctor Josie, my vet told me my dog was

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Speaker 3: getting fat?

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Speaker 2: How much should I be feeding him?

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Speaker 3: That's sad.

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Speaker 2: I feel like so much of my day is spent

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Speaker 2: like we're body shaming these pets. I was just going

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Speaker 2: to say that I feel like fat is not the

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Speaker 2: right word. No, a little overweight, like a little round, ye,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a muffin top. Yeah, everybody goes

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Speaker 2: through it, even in your pet exactly. But that's a

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Speaker 2: great question, how much should I be feeding my pet?

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Speaker 2: And that is very specific to the pet itself. What

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Speaker 2: We have an exact calculation where we can come up

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Speaker 2: with exactly how many calories per day your pet should

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Speaker 2: What I see a lot of owners do is they

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Speaker 2: will feed the amount that's on the back of the bag.

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Speaker 2: And this is like far and away the biggest no.

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Speaker 2: Now really, Yes, when they're puppies, great, follow the back

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Speaker 3: Of the bag will always tell you to overfeed.

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Speaker 2: And my theory is that it's probably because the pet

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Speaker 2: food companies want to sell more dog food, right, I.

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Speaker 4: Never thought about that, yas Phoebe when she would get

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Speaker 4: the back of the bag measurement, she was a little plump.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh yeah. Yeah, they definitely tell you to overfeed.

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Speaker 2: And then another really great tip is getting an actual

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Speaker 2: I'll ask people like, hey, how much are you feeding?

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Speaker 2: And like a cup, I'm like, well, what's your cup

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Speaker 4: Even right now, I'm gonna admit, like our dogs at home,

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Speaker 4: I just am like, wh yeah, yeah, so she's probably overfit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah no, it's hard. It's so hard. And we like

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Speaker 2: bond with them by giving them treats. When I leave

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Speaker 2: the house, I like to give them. I call them crunchies,

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Speaker 3: But do you know our crunchies sot and a healthier option. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: we love a healthier option. So do we have another question?

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Speaker 1: We do?

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Speaker 3: Number two? Hi, doctor Josie.

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Speaker 4: So my dog will occasionally skip a meal and it

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Speaker 3: Do you think this is something I should be worried about?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question. We I always say, it's kind

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Speaker 2: of like humans. Like, if you put ten pizzas in

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Speaker 3: I can eat more than a full grown man.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you put ten pizzas in front of my

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Speaker 2: like some have our grazers, they have self control and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean our bigger dog, she like you put

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Speaker 3: Along well, but she's so active.

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Speaker 4: Even in doing that, she would be fit looking, whereas

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's just yeah, they're all different and they

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Speaker 3: Their normal, as long as there a normal body weight. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: which is really centered around what should I feed my pet?

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Speaker 2: I have said it once, I'll say it again. This

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Speaker 2: is the most calmon question I get asked as a veterinarian,

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Speaker 2: And gosh, the pet food industry is just out of control.

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Speaker 2: If I'm being totally honest, you go down the pet

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Speaker 2: food aisle and you can really get overwhelmed by the marketing.

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Speaker 2: You can see grain free, gluten free organics, and beautiful

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Speaker 2: So we brought in the big guns. We've got doctor

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Speaker 2: Parker coming in for an interview. She's really an expert

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Speaker 2: into the nitty gritty of what defeat our animals.

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Speaker 4: Awesome, Well, I cannot wait to learn because I feel

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Speaker 2: Okay, So on today's episode, I am so excited about

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Speaker 2: our guest. We have doctor Valerie Parker here, who I'm

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Speaker 2: sure many of you do not know, but in the

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Speaker 2: veterinary world, she is what I like to think is

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Speaker 2: a certified badass. She not only got her DVM so

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Speaker 2: her doctorate and VetMed, but she then went on to

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Speaker 2: do an internship at a really reputable hospital in New

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Speaker 2: and then it went on to get double boarded in

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Speaker 2: clinical nutrition at Tufts University, so that's pretty amazing. There

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Speaker 2: are not many veterinarians that are double boarded, so she's

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Speaker 2: definitely an expert, if you will. And another really cool

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Speaker 2: smart she is. So we're really lucky to have you

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Speaker 2: here today. Welcome to in the VETS office.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Today's episode is all around what owners should feed their pets,

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Speaker 1: There is no such thing as an ask go approval. Okay.

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Speaker 1: nutrients amounts or adult canine and fealying maintenance and growing

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Speaker 1: canine and sealine puppies get in growing needs as well

435
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Speaker 1: as gestation lactation needs. They set recommendations to requirements for

436
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Speaker 1: healthy pets, and by law, there has to be an

437
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Speaker 1: ASCO statement on every pet student that is marketed in

438
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Speaker 1: the United States. The ASCO statement is meant to say

439
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Speaker 1: three things. It's meant to site if the diet should

440
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Speaker 1: be providing complete and balanced nutrition for which life stage

441
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Speaker 1: or stages, and how it was determined that it provides

442
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Speaker 1: complete and violenced antrition, So meaning a diet could be

443
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Speaker 1: complete and balance based on formulations. If you enter all

444
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Speaker 1: the ingredients and the nutrient analysis of all of those

445
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Speaker 1: ingredients into a computer spreadsheet and analyze it, and the

446
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Speaker 1: computer spits out a profile that says this is how

447
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Speaker 1: much of every nutrients in the diet, then it's been

448
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Speaker 1: formulated to mat meats versus. You can do an active

449
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Speaker 1: seeding test, which has very very very specific, precise legal standards,

450
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Speaker 1: and beat a certain number of dogs or cats a

451
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Speaker 1: diet for a certain amount of time with predetermined criteria

452
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Speaker 1: of monitoring before, during, and after the trial, and as

453
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Speaker 1: long as certain criteria are met, you can say that

454
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Speaker 1: it was that the diet provides complete and volunce nutrition

455
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Speaker 1: of determined via seeding tests, but not regulate pet food

456
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Speaker 1: ASCO does not stamp an approval or a reduction, right.

457
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Speaker 1: There are other organizations that do that, but realistically, there

458
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Speaker 1: are far too many pets food companies in the United

459
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Speaker 1: States for the government to pay attention to every single one, right, right,

460
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Speaker 1: So they're not going to probably, really it's not a medication.

461
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Speaker 1: It's not you know, it's dog and pet foods do

462
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Speaker 1: not have to go through an approval process to be

463
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Speaker 1: marketed and sold. Now, if enough animals are getting sick,

464
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Speaker 1: if enough people are reporting to the FTI concerned with

465
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Speaker 1: a pet food, they might investigate it. But you can

466
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Speaker 1: imagine how many reports would need to be put in

467
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Speaker 1: before they have the time and personal out to be

468
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Speaker 1: able to investigate, you know, a small or even a

469
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Speaker 1: large pet food company. Right. So I think most really

470
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Speaker 1: commonly amiss conception that if you see an ask a statement,

471
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Speaker 1: it means it's been asked to approved, But ask if

472
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Speaker 1: statements are required to be there by law, and they

473
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Speaker 1: don't tell you for sure if it's a good, reputable brand.

474
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Speaker 2: So are we throwing that as something that we don't

475
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Speaker 2: care anymore that it's on the label or on the

476
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Speaker 2: bag when you're choosing a kibble.

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Speaker 1: So not exactly, it's hopefully that's not what just came across.

478
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Speaker 1: They have to have enough, right right. Statement should be

479
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Speaker 1: able to tell you if you want to feed it

480
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Speaker 1: to only some extent. It's not the end all be all.

481
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Speaker 1: It should tell you if it's complete mount because the

482
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Speaker 1: alternative saying it's complete mounce is it might say intended

483
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Speaker 1: for intermittent or trusclemental feeding only.

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Speaker 3: I see.

485
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Speaker 2: So you want to really get into the nitty gritty

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Speaker 2: of the AFCO statement, right, Okay, And.

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Speaker 1: Again, it's not better or worse if it had feeding

488
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Speaker 1: trials or formulad to meet. There are pros and cons

489
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Speaker 1: to both of those approaches that I'm not going to

490
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Speaker 1: probably have the time to go into episodes, but you know,

491
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Speaker 1: we can circle back to that at a later date.

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Speaker 1: The most important thing, and I was just speaking at

493
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Speaker 1: VMX earlier this week and I showed an example is

494
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Speaker 1: you could have two diets from the same company with

495
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Speaker 1: almost the same name. So I'm going to just use

496
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Speaker 1: a very specific example because I just have this in

497
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Speaker 1: a PowerPoint. Wellness Core Shreds Okay, Wellness cat Food Core Shruds,

498
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: two products in pouches, both called wellness core shrubs. One

499
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Speaker 1: complete and balanced, the other is intermittent or supplemental feeding

500
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Speaker 1: only to be used as a topper. So we have

501
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:41,080
Speaker 1: all these products out there intermixed on the shelves. Some

502
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Speaker 1: are meant to be complete and balanced. Some look very

503
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Speaker 1: similar but are not meant to be complete and balanced.

504
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Speaker 1: And if they're not meant to be complete and balanced,

505
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 1: you want any calories from foods that are not complete

506
00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:59,359
Speaker 1: and balanced. So treats, toppers, medication administration, foods, supplements, raw hides, dentitude,

507
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Speaker 1: any saying that that animal is getting in a day

508
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Speaker 1: that's not complete and balance. He wants that to make

509
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Speaker 1: up no more than about ten per months of the

510
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Speaker 1: total daily in type. So depending on the size of

511
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Speaker 1: the animal and the number of calories they're eating, that

512
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Speaker 1: could be as little as twenty twenty five calories a day,

513
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: might be upwards of one to two hundred calories per day,

514
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Speaker 1: depending on the size of the animal and their individual

515
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Speaker 1: in our chating.

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Speaker 2: Gosh, Okay, see now I'm still learning from you. I

517
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: graduated seven years ago and I'm still learning from you.

518
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Speaker 2: That's amazing. So I know, yes, I know from learning

519
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Speaker 2: that AFCO, of course is important. We want to make

520
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 2: sure it's on there. But I think the big takeaway

521
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Speaker 2: is like, let's look at the nitty gritty of what

522
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Speaker 2: the recommendation is, because for example, like toppers like Stella

523
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Speaker 2: and Chewy, I'm sure that that is not for everyday use,

524
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Speaker 2: and people could be using it to feed every single meal,

525
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Speaker 2: like as the main portion of the meal, and that's

526
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Speaker 2: not what it's intended for.

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Speaker 1: So once again, even within that company as an example,

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Speaker 1: they make different styles, right, so they'll make they'll make

529
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Speaker 1: some things but are complete and balance, and they'll make

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Speaker 1: something only meant to be given intermittent as topper. That's

531
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Speaker 1: one of the only things that that Asko statement is

532
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,880
Speaker 1: kind of good for us to fight. Is this meant

533
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Speaker 1: to be complete and balanced or not.

534
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Speaker 2: The other big topic right now in kibble is grain

535
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Speaker 2: free foods, and I think for a long time a

536
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Speaker 2: lot of people thought, okay, less by product, there's less grains,

537
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 2: Like dogs really need to be eating more protein and

538
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 2: same with cats. And if we're avoiding grains, like this

539
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 2: must be a better food. And we now know that

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00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: grain free foods are linked to heart disease in our

541
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Speaker 2: pets and I still get clients that are inclined to

542
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Speaker 2: buy it for whatever reason. I know some people feel

543
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Speaker 2: like their pets have grain allergies. I guess how common

544
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: is it for a pet to have a grain allergy?

545
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 2: And what are your thoughts just surrounding grain free foods?

546
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: This is a hot topic. I agree, I think grain

547
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 1: allergies are pretty uncommon. Wheat is technically reportedly an allergen.

548
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't know that I have ever definitively seen a

549
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: dog or a cat be allergic to wheat. Technically, and again,

550
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,399
Speaker 1: people sometimes want to talk about gluten in there, and

551
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: technically Irish butters can have a predisposition to with gluten intolerance.

552
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 1: But for the most part, most food allergies are going

553
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Speaker 1: to be to the proteins most commonly, I would say

554
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Speaker 1: probably chicken, beef, dairy, and fish. I've never been a

555
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: proponent of saying grain free is better, but I also

556
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Speaker 1: am not willing to say grain free is that. And

557
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:36,880
Speaker 1: that's because not all grain free diets are the same.

558
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Speaker 1: So when we think about the link between shortain types

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Speaker 1: of diets and dilated cardiomiopathy, it is important to remember

560
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Speaker 1: that there is not a definitive black and white pause

561
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Speaker 1: of that relationship.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to inject it for just a second. Dilated

563
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Speaker 2: cardiomyopathy is the heart disease that has been linked to

564
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Speaker 2: grain free foods.

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Speaker 3: We can call it DCM to keep it simple.

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Speaker 1: Great, So, there are a lot of different diet types

567
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: in the past that has been linked to DCM in

568
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 1: dots and cats. So historically, way back in the day,

569
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: like any touring deficient diet has been linked to DCM

570
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: and cats, which is why now touring is you know,

571
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 1: in everything, and torain isn't essential, I mean acid for cats.

572
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: Unlike dots in the nineties, lamb and rice diets were

573
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Speaker 1: a really big issue with being linked to DCM in dots,

574
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Speaker 1: and Newfoundland were one of the more commonly reported breeds

575
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Speaker 1: in the nineties. So fast forward thirty years now we're

576
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: in the you know, two thousand, teens and twenties, and

577
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: now we've got these diets that are being linked to

578
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 1: d CM. Not just screen free, but many of these

579
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Speaker 1: diets specifically very high in pulse ingredients peas, lentils, chickspeas beans,

580
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: because technically potato based diet grains free. And I think

581
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: that many veterinarians are still comfortable recommending potato based, selected

582
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: limited ingredient protein diets for their pets. So we have

583
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Speaker 1: to be really careful. We can't have it both ways.

584
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 1: We can't cite grains free diets are bad and then

585
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: turn around and recommend DD or selected protein to our

586
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: for their allergic pets. Right, So we can't have both ways.

587
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: What I am doing me personally, and this is not

588
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 1: one hundred percent black and white. If I am telling

589
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Speaker 1: people that we're going to consider this on a case

590
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Speaker 1: by case basis, We're going to think about if there's

591
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,080
Speaker 1: a strong reason that you feel that we need to

592
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: try to feed a green free diet to your pet,

593
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: we're going to think about predisposing risks for DCM in

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Speaker 1: that pet. Once again, in the nineties, new fees were

595
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Speaker 1: highly pre disposed. Currently, goldens tend to be one of

596
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: the higher predisposed breeds now, not just because golden owners

597
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 1: are far more aware of it and they're getting their

598
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: box checked. Yeah, probably that has something to do with

599
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: it because many of the dogs, well right now, all

600
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 1: the dogs that are developing this. There is no simple

601
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: blood screening test. You can't just measure a touring and

602
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: say if it's normally your dog doesn't have DCM because unfortunately,

603
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: in the nineties with lamb and rice, they were almost

604
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: all touring deficient, and now a lot of them are

605
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,760
Speaker 1: not deficient in touring. And we don't know what's causing

606
00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 1: the DCM. We don't know if it's a nutrient and efficiency,

607
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 1: we don't know if it's a toxicity. And so I

608
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 1: am for the most part avoiding diets that are very

609
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: high in peas, lentsiles on other pulse ingredients. I am

610
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: not as nervous using potato based diets, but I am

611
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: going to think about for every individual pet, is it

612
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,880
Speaker 1: worth putting your dog on a completely grain inclusive diet,

613
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 1: because I do think there's a higher risk in your pet,

614
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: and I don't feel like the benefits that way the risks.

615
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: So I'm not willing Again, I'm not willing to say

616
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: you should never feed a grain free diet to it dog,

617
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: but I am looking more closely at what ingredients are

618
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 1: in the diet and making sure that it's not a

619
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: lower protein diet. Also, vegetarian diets have been linked to

620
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 1: DCM and dogs, so again I want it to be

621
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 1: providing adequate protein, providing adequate amino acids and not too

622
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: too high in certain pulse ingredients.

623
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Speaker 2: What cable do you feed your dog? Are there like

624
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 2: kibble brands that you really or you're like, these are

625
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: the kibble brands I recommend.

626
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: So I have two cats and they're both allergic disaster.

627
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: The cats or cats? I always think dogs. The cats.

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00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 3: We love the cats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're both allergic disasters. They're both on different hydrolyzed

630
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,000
Speaker 1: diots because one of my cats wants to be obase

631
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,680
Speaker 1: and I won't let her, so she gets a lower

632
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 1: calorie but also higher fiber hydrolized and.

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Speaker 3: One of them I feel that I feel that deeply prone.

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00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,880
Speaker 1: Towards being on the slimmer side. And again they have

635
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: different allergic issu you. So for whatever, it's where they

636
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: both get different hydrolyzed sites, and when I tried switching

637
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,160
Speaker 1: them to be on the same one, they retect today,

638
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: I mean, and so generally speaking, you know, again, there

639
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: are certain criteria that I want to consider when when

640
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 1: choosing pet foods. There are a list there's a list

641
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: of really nice questions that you can find from the WSABA,

642
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: the World Small Animal Veterinary Association. They have some really

643
00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 1: nice handouts online on their toolkit website taps on how

644
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: to select a pet food questions to consider asking pet

645
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: food manufacturers, but I'm looking for companies that do have

646
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: at least one full time for certified nutritionists on staff

647
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 1: and or PhDs and nutrition I'm ideally looking for companies

648
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 1: that will provide complete nutrient profiles for all their products,

649
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: that do research and development, that have excellent quality control standards.

650
00:33:54,680 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 1: And some of these things are nice to say and

651
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: maybe harder to verify, but there are certain questions that

652
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: you can call and ask pet food manufacturers to answer

653
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 1: for you if you want. I do regularly use products

654
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: like Hills rocanean karina, but I have learned how to

655
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: be far more flexible over the years of my career

656
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 1: here because I know that those products are not going

657
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: to be acceptable for all pet owners. So I am

658
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: very willing to look into other options and make other

659
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: recommendations based on what the individual owner's preferences are, but

660
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: also again what that pet needs are. That's ultimately my

661
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: most important role here as a nutritionist is the site

662
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 1: What are the nutritional needs of this pet? And how

663
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 1: can I be those needs.

664
00:34:59,120 --> 00:35:04,319
Speaker 2: One last main food fad that question for you, What

665
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 2: are your what's your hot take on raw diets? And

666
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:11,280
Speaker 2: a lot of people are have friends or a mutual

667
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 2: acquaintance that has had a really good experience and then

668
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: they want to implement it, and my initial feeling is, oh, God,

669
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 2: don't do it. So I'm wondering what your what your

670
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 2: hot take is on raw diets?

671
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I try really hard not to say

672
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,720
Speaker 1: always or never, right right, So I will not say

673
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,160
Speaker 1: I will never, and recommend is probably not even their word.

674
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: I don't regularly recommend raw, So I will say that

675
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:41,000
Speaker 1: I do not recommend raw because of the potential risks

676
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 1: that are feeding claws. However, if I am working with

677
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: a client who is adamant about feeding cross I will

678
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: work with them because I would rather they feed a

679
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 1: complete and balanced, good raw diet and an unbalanced raw diet.

680
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: I have worked with the owners whose definition of a

681
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,799
Speaker 1: raw diet it was, go to the supermarket, buy a

682
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: package of chicken wings, open up said package of chicken wings,

683
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: put it on the ground. That's my dog's food. Versus

684
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:13,320
Speaker 1: there are complete and balanced, commercially available raw pet foods

685
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 1: on the market right well, and Chewi is one Instinct

686
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: is one, and you know I have I have had

687
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:24,399
Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk to veterinarians who work at let's

688
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: say Instinct. They have a board certified veterinary contritionists on staff.

689
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,439
Speaker 1: They check off a lot of the criteria you're looking for,

690
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: and you are looking for a reputable pet food company,

691
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 1: But you still have to decide what are the needs

692
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: of this pet. And there are risks of feeding froth,

693
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: there are risks of bacterial transplocations if it's not complete

694
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:50,880
Speaker 1: and balanced producing nutrient and efficiencies that way. There are

695
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: risks to the people coming into contact with that pet

696
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 1: and whoever is coming into contact with the species of

697
00:36:56,840 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 1: that pet, if it is shutting any fatal or infectious disease.

698
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: And even if the pet doesn't show clinical science, it

699
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:09,919
Speaker 1: can shed bacteria, it can shed pominilla. I just think that,

700
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: you know, you have to prioritize what's the most important thing,

701
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: And for me, the most important thing for the nutrition

702
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 1: of any pet I'm seeing is that it gets all

703
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: the nutrients that need, whether that be a kibble diet,

704
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,120
Speaker 1: a fresh diet, a home cook diet, a raw diet.

705
00:37:27,760 --> 00:37:30,920
Speaker 1: My biggest priority for every single pet I see is

706
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: that it's getting the nutrients and the nutrition that it needs.

707
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,759
Speaker 1: And beyond that, my individual goals are going to vary

708
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: based on the pets. So I'm going to treat a

709
00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: pet with kivy disease differently than I'm going to treat

710
00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: a pet with gas or and festinal disease differently than

711
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to treat And I'm going to treat under

712
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: a condition pets differently from over conditioned pets. And that's

713
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: why I don't like to just cite always or never,

714
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 1: but in this circumstance for this pet, this is what

715
00:37:58,840 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: we should be doing.

716
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 2: So I think the big message from this episode is

717
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 2: there's no blanket statement when it comes to nutrition in

718
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 2: our pets. Each pet has their own individualized nutritional requirements,

719
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 2: and when owners are unsure or they're choosing a diet

720
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 2: to feed their animals, it's so important to work in

721
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: tandem with your veterinarian and as general practitioners, we can

722
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: make really good recommendations. And if your pet does have

723
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 2: like significant underlying disease and we're not really sure what

724
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:36,000
Speaker 2: diet is best for them, we are more than happy

725
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: to consult with a veginary nutritionists refer out people even

726
00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 2: like doctor Parker. You can set up a consultation with

727
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: her over the phone, and other nutritionists you offer that

728
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 2: service as well. Is there a good website where people

729
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: can go to find nutritionists to have those appointments.

730
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:58,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was formerly known as the American College

731
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: of Veterinary Nutrition has merged with the ACBIM, the American

732
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: College of Veterinary Internal Medicine. So I'm not sure if

733
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,040
Speaker 1: the website is still in flux, but previously I would

734
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: have referred people to the acv N directory the American

735
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,040
Speaker 1: College of Veterinary Nutrition, and I think that website is

736
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,919
Speaker 1: still up in it so you can search on there

737
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:25,239
Speaker 1: for who's doing who offers consultations directly with pet owners.

738
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 1: It may very well probably will merge with the ACBIM,

739
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:33,399
Speaker 1: but I don't actually know if that has happened yet

740
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 1: because this is a relatively new change.

741
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 3: Okay, well, stay tuned.

742
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 2: I'll keep my followers informed on how to get a

743
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: hold of you guys. But yeah, I just when thinking

744
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 2: about web foods to feed your pets, just making sure

745
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 2: you look for those credentials that we had talked about

746
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,439
Speaker 2: previously and working with your vegineerian because it is, as

747
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 2: you can tell, a very complicated process and it's not

748
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:54,879
Speaker 2: a one size fits all.

749
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,400
Speaker 3: So thank you so much for coming today.

750
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: I really appreciate your perspective and your expertise. I feel

751
00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 2: very lucky to have had you here, and it was

752
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: very informative and I am still learning, so thank you

753
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:07,319
Speaker 2: so much.

754
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me, Susie.

755
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 3: All Right, that was.

756
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 4: Such an awesome conversation with doctor Valerie Parker, and I

757
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 4: feel like we learned a lot and I feel like

758
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:24,319
Speaker 4: it made me take notes and think a little bit

759
00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 4: more thoroughly as far as what we are feeding our

760
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 4: dogs and cats at home. But I would love to

761
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 4: ask you, doctor Josie, what would be the key takeaways

762
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 4: for listeners that they should kind of highlight and implement

763
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: in their own day to day with their pets as

764
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:38,319
Speaker 4: far as nutrition goes.

765
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 3: That's a great question.

766
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: I would say the five main takeaway points from that

767
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 2: interview that I would take and that I recommend on

768
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: a daily basis are one, Feeding a homemade or fresh

769
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: food diet is not medically really any better than feeding kibble.

770
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:56,120
Speaker 2: If you want to do that, great, we'll talk about it.

771
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: But feeding kibble is just as healthy as the alternatives.

772
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 2: And really the three kibble diets that I recommend on

773
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: a daily basis are going to be Purina, Proplan Royal Canaan,

774
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: and Hill's Science Diet.

775
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:09,600
Speaker 3: Another big takeaway for me.

776
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: You know, if you're like, Nope, I don't care, I'm

777
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 2: not feeding kibble, I want to do a homemade diet,

778
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 2: like all the more power to you. My big thing

779
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,359
Speaker 2: would be be ready to spend a lot of time

780
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: in the kitchen cooking, and don't do it until they're

781
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,480
Speaker 2: full grown. If they're a puppy or a kitten, get

782
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 2: them on a puppy or kitten kibble they really need

783
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 2: a specific amount of fat and protein. And then once

784
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: they're in adulthood you can kind of transition over to

785
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 2: that homemade diet. And of course, last we're not least

786
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 2: working with a veterinary nutritionists. When you're formulating these foods,

787
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,240
Speaker 2: it can go very wrong. I have seen cases where

788
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:45,840
Speaker 2: they have something called rickets, so their bones kind of

789
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: like turn into like gello. They almost look like they're

790
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,000
Speaker 2: walking on rubber bands because they didn't get enough of

791
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 2: the proper nutrition. And so yeah, it can go really bad.

792
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: So definitely work with a veterinary nutritionist. Yeah, it really

793
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: makes a difference. Like I don't want to go too

794
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 2: far into it because you guys touched on those things.

795
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 2: But I had a French bulldog Boston, who have our

796
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: notorious for allergies, and I just would go to the

797
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: store or get a different food and be like, she'll

798
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: be fine. When I finally went into the VET, they

799
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: were like, let's do some allergy testing on her, and

800
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 2: we did, and we found out she was allergic to

801
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: animal proteins. So we switched her to the Royal Canin

802
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 2: hypoallergenic and it changed her life and she lived to

803
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 2: be like fourteen, and I swear to you it was

804
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 2: because of her diet. It can make a huge difference.

805
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 2: And you heard doctor Parker reference hydrolyzed protein diets, and

806
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: that's exactly what that is. It's making the protein and

807
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 2: the food so small that the pet can't develop an

808
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: allergic reaction to it because it can't detect the kind

809
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: of protein it's eating. Right, it sounds crazy like it's

810
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,840
Speaker 2: made in a peatrine dish, but it is very healthy

811
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,479
Speaker 2: and they do great on it long term. And really

812
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: that leads me to my next point, which is if

813
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: they're going to have an allergy to their food, it's

814
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: almost always to the protein.

815
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:56,360
Speaker 3: It is very rarely to grain.

816
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 2: So if you have a young or even adult healthy pet,

817
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 2: cat or dog out there, I would not freed a

818
00:43:03,040 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 2: grain free food, especially the diets that are substituting lentils

819
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 2: and peas and sweet potatoes and lieu of grains. Those

820
00:43:12,080 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 2: are the ones that are tied to heart disease in

821
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 2: our pets.

822
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 4: Yeah see, and that's I think again, like French cheese

823
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 4: in Boston's in the past, like friends of mine that

824
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,240
Speaker 4: I know that have them, they've ended up with heart problems.

825
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,799
Speaker 4: And she never had any issue. I'm not saying it

826
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 4: was all based on her diet, but I know her

827
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 4: diet definitely helped her in a huge way. Her hair

828
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 4: coat was great, her body type was great, her breathing

829
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 4: was better because she was not having any allergy issues.

830
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 3: So it can be really helpful.

831
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 2: And then the last point is I personally, and I

832
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: would have to say I'm probably speaking for the majority

833
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,480
Speaker 2: of veterinarians out there, we don't recommend feeding a raw diet.

834
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: I have just seen so many cases where pets are

835
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:54,240
Speaker 2: coming in and they are really sick with GI disease.

836
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 3: Usually it's a bacterial infection.

837
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:58,320
Speaker 2: And then the risk of the humans getting sick in

838
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: the household is really high as well. A way, Yeah,

839
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: it's just it's not worth the risk. I know there's

840
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:05,680
Speaker 2: a lot of like hoopla on the internet about it,

841
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 2: but I advise against it pretty strongly.

842
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, lots of ads on my Instagram because I follow

843
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 4: a lot of pet yeah, like Instagram pages and stuff

844
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: like that, and I definitely wanted to try out some

845
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 4: of the raw diets several times because you just hear

846
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: how great they are.

847
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 3: But I think the main thing is like talk to

848
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:25,720
Speaker 3: your vet first and a nutritionist to make sure.

849
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 4: Because it's like people, there's so many options out there

850
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,279
Speaker 4: right now, but it doesn't mean it's good for you, yeah,

851
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 4: just because it's good for other people.

852
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,880
Speaker 2: And those ads are so targeted, like we're like the

853
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 2: ultimate dog moms and they're like, oh, we're gonna get you.

854
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 2: And if I wasn't a vet, I would have no idea.

855
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: I would be buying like filet mignon raw from Tokyo,

856
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,440
Speaker 2: like one hundred percent would do it. But I strongly

857
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:49,279
Speaker 2: recommend not doing it and and there's a lot of

858
00:44:49,280 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 2: other great options.

859
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 3: So okay, on.

860
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 2: Today's Paw and Order, we are going to discuss things

861
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 2: that I would never do as a vet Gerian surrounding grooming.

862
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:04,440
Speaker 3: Okay, I would.

863
00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,480
Speaker 2: Never, ever, ever, ever get a doodle without securing that

864
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,320
Speaker 2: grooming appointment beforehand. I cannot tell you how many doodles

865
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 2: come in looking scraggly and they are matted and they

866
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Speaker 2: are not happy. And so if you're getting a doodle,

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Speaker 2: just know like they are high maintenance. They are going

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Speaker 2: to require grooming every four to six weeks, eight weeks max.

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Speaker 2: And if you don't get them groomed, then they get

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Speaker 2: shaved down and they look like little naked mole rats.

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Speaker 2: They're not happy looking, and they're so embarrassed. They're like

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Speaker 2: cold shouldering their parents. So so yeah, if you got

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Speaker 2: a dude, make sure you get them groomed. It's kind

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Speaker 2: of like before you have a kid, secure a daycare exactly,

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Speaker 2: before you get a doodle, get a room exactly, and

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Speaker 2: they're hard to get ahold of these days. Okay, Next

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Speaker 2: on the docket, I would never get a dog with

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Speaker 2: floppy ears and not clean them out regularly. These are

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Speaker 2: the dogs that are going to be way more predisposed

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Speaker 2: to your infections. You got those long flaps covering that

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Speaker 2: tiny little ear canal, So clean them out on a

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Speaker 2: regular basis, and by regular I mean like every one

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Speaker 2: to two weeks.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what's your recommended like specific for cleaning them out.

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Speaker 2: So you're gonna take that flop ear flop it over

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Speaker 2: and you're going to actually pour the cleaning solution.

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Speaker 3: Into the ear canal.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, oh yeah, like it's all up in there

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Speaker 2: and then they shake, it goes everywhere, gets in your eyes,

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Speaker 2: in your mouth, close your eyes and mouth for sure,

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Speaker 2: and then I just use a cotton ball to wipe.

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Speaker 3: Out the excess. Okay, all right, good to know.

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Speaker 2: Next on the docket, I would never have my dog's

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Speaker 2: anal glands expressed unless they need it. A lot of

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Speaker 2: people will go to the groomer and the groom will say, hey,

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Speaker 2: do you want me to express your dog's anal glands?

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Speaker 2: And I would be like, heck, yeah yeah, But if

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Speaker 2: they don't need it, I say, don't do it. So

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Speaker 2: ways you know if they need it are if they're

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Speaker 2: licking back there, if you smell that smell, you know

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Speaker 2: that smell. If we don't want to smell smell, I'm

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Speaker 2: like trying not to gag your smell in the entire universe,

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Speaker 2: I'm convinced. And if they're kind of like scooching their

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Speaker 2: butt on the floor, that's a signs that they probably

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Speaker 2: need them expressed.

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Speaker 3: But the anal gland butt drag, the anal, it's really cute.

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Speaker 3: It's honestly, it's not good. It's gross.

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Speaker 2: So if they're not showing you those signs, they're probably

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Speaker 2: expressing them on their own, and you don't need to

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Speaker 2: do it for them. And once we start, we usually

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Speaker 2: have to keep up with it.

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Speaker 3: Gotcha, See I did not know that, all right? Good

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Speaker 3: to know.

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Speaker 2: And then last but not least, I would not put

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Speaker 2: rubber bands and my dogs for I know, it's really

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Speaker 2: cute to like put ponytails on them, especially like those

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Speaker 2: little white fluffy guys, but I would do like clip

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Speaker 2: in bows. I would avoid rubber bands. I had a

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Speaker 2: patient somehow get the rubber band out of her pony,

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Speaker 2: her high pony, and it got wrapped around her little

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Speaker 2: paw and it cut off circulation to her paw and

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Speaker 2: she almost lost it.

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Speaker 3: So elastic bands you guys.

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Speaker 2: No elastic bands, clip and bows only, please and thank you.

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Speaker 3: This is I'm learning a lot. That's what we're here for.

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Speaker 4: I've seen so many dogs lately on Instagram with those

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Speaker 4: little lass I'm all of them.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: I know we need to get We are the rubber

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Speaker 3: band vigilantes.

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Speaker 4: We are.

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Speaker 3: Now, that's awesome. Well, I didn't know that.

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Speaker 4: I feel like we covered a lot of ground today,

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Speaker 4: especially about diet and nutrition, very similar to people which

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Speaker 4: we're all trying to be healthier in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Definitely a lot of info, a lot of good info.

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Speaker 2: And if you guys have any follow up questions, feel

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Speaker 2: free to reach out to us specifically, you were welcome

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Speaker 2: to DM me on Instagram It's doctor Josi Vett and

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