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Speaker 1: Hello the Internet, and welcome to season three thirty four,

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Speaker 1: episode two of SAPE production of My Heart Radio. Is

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Speaker 1: that one of the three stooges back there?

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Speaker 2: It was all three of them? Actually, Oh wow, he

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Speaker 2: got all three?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Good, it's great to have them here. This is

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Speaker 1: a podcast where we take a deep dive into American

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Speaker 1: share consciousness. And it is Tuesday, April sixteenth, twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jack O'Brien. Akay, I'm a chimp, I'm

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Speaker 1: a human? Why not both? That's not proven. I'm a

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Speaker 1: simian and man, I do not understand what the hell

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Speaker 1: I must scream. I'm trapped somewhere between. Oh god, I'd

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Speaker 1: really like it any other way. Ay. That is courtesy

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Speaker 1: of case Aiken about my you know the story we

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Speaker 1: did last week that I guess it was courtesy of

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Speaker 1: Chris Crofton brought us the Tale of the Humans, and

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Speaker 1: I just thought, what better day for me to sing

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Speaker 1: a song about the most anti scientific story we've covered

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Speaker 1: in recent memory than on one of our expert episodes

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Speaker 1: when we have an actual scientist with us.

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Speaker 2: Well, they're endangered. There would be humansies everywhere if there

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Speaker 2: wasn't for clim super climate, yet their natural habitat has

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Speaker 2: been completely and.

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Speaker 1: We will talk about that with our He doesn't know,

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Speaker 1: but that's gonna be the majority of the episode. It's

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Speaker 1: just how does this affect Humansies thrilled to be joined

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Speaker 1: in the second seat today by the co host with

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Speaker 1: the mo host, a brilliant comedian, writer, actor, the hilarious,

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Speaker 1: the chaotic, the riding of recumbent bike in short shorts.

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Speaker 3: Blake Wexland.

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Speaker 2: This is Blake Akay. When zeitgeist gets that feeling, it

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Speaker 2: wants wectual healing, wectual healing.

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Speaker 3: Oh Jack, well.

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Speaker 2: No, guys, feel so fine. You just gotctually assaulted. Jack,

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Speaker 2: I think really know is what just happened? Thanks for

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Speaker 2: having me. Yeah, thank you for that lectual healing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Oh it's off of Marvin Gaye's sexual healing.

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Speaker 1: Oh got I gotta got it. Okay, now now it's

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Speaker 1: clear to me. Yeah, Blake, it's what what with a

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Speaker 1: with an intro? This dumb? It's really like, we need

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Speaker 1: to bring in our expert guest as soon as possible,

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Speaker 1: because otherwise I might shrivel up and blow away in

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Speaker 1: a cloud of dust. We're thrilled to be joined in

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Speaker 1: our third seat by an academic and industry leader in

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Speaker 1: fighting climate change. He's currently director of the UNSW Earth

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Speaker 1: and Sustainability Science Research Center and director of the UNSW

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Speaker 1: CRONOS fourteen Carbon Cycle Facility. But much more impressibly, he's

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Speaker 1: also a podcast host. His show is called Unfucking the Future.

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Speaker 1: He is called Chris Turner.

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Speaker 3: Joh really, I'm not gonna sing. No one needs to

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Speaker 3: hear that, So I'll.

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Speaker 1: Go to just I mean, yeah, you have people who

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Speaker 1: do that for you. On your show Unfucking Future. We

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Speaker 1: were saying has some of some of the most catchy

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Speaker 1: little interludes were on Fucking the Future, Blake, I thought

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Speaker 2: I was just sometimes you're in awe of what you're watching,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. You just want to sit

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Speaker 2: back and enjoy it yourself. You know, life's hard enough.

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Speaker 2: Let me take some of these treats.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I was also telling you guys before we started

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Speaker 1: that I played that your podcast and like the word

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Speaker 1: the word fuck multiple times for my eight year old

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Speaker 1: by accident yesterday as I was kind of listening through

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Speaker 1: some softened version would be heck. And he was like,

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Speaker 1: so is that? He he sit in the backseat, I'm

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Speaker 1: driving and we do crossward puzzles together. He's like, would

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Speaker 1: it be fun? Fuck? Do you think it's fuck? Dad?

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Speaker 1: Like you you're turning eight in a couple of weeks,

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Speaker 1: Like why do you?

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Speaker 3: Why do you?

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Speaker 1: But it's like it's cute because you didn't even think

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Speaker 1: like that they talk about that sometimes at school. Fuck

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Speaker 1: Fuck? So he didn't realize.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Australia, it's the biggest complaint I've got. It's not

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Speaker 3: the language on the show. It's everyone really is.

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Speaker 1: How is tomorrow? By the way, we haven't we we

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just before five o'c Tuesday, and it's looking

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Speaker 3: pretty good. We're still here.

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Speaker 1: Hell yeah, I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait. It is like four a m. Free So,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us at such an

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Speaker 2: odd time. We really appreciate it. No, no, no need.

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Speaker 1: It's scary, so good, so good, And Chris, you could

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Speaker 1: probably already feel the jockeying. So I'm just gonna put

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Speaker 1: it right out there. When we announced, when we told

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Speaker 1: Blake we were going to have an expert guest on,

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Speaker 1: he said, I'm going to take the lead on this one,

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Speaker 1: and has just been sending me past aggressive text messages

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Speaker 1: so you know, there's gonna be, there's gonna be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So what's Australia like? These are hard questions.

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Speaker 2: What's going on down there Australia?

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Speaker 1: What's that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? What's that like? That's probably one of the most

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much. You hear that.

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Speaker 1: Jack.

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Speaker 2: That's why you should shut up, Jack and I should talk.

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Speaker 2: Your potty mouth child is fucking the future. That's what's happening.

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Speaker 2: That's what this podcast should be called.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, he's such a polluter.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: He drives a hummer at a school every day.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's such a wonderful story. I feel my work

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Speaker 3: here is done. Actually, you have all.

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Speaker 1: Right, Chris, we are going to talk about your area

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Speaker 1: of expertise, unfucking the future, climate change, how we talk

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Speaker 1: about it, how we make sense of the world in

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Speaker 1: a world that is rapidly heating and escalating towards climate

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Speaker 1: disaster and not doing a great job always tangling with that,

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Speaker 1: coming to grips with that. But before we get into

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Speaker 1: expert guests a little bit better and ask you, what

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Speaker 1: is something from your search history.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I'm a big fan of the TV show What

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Speaker 3: We Do in the Shadows. Yeah, Climate One, Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: see if Matt Berry just has me stitches all the time.

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Speaker 3: That is dark que just brilliant, very very fun, very wrong,

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Speaker 1: That was the first Matt Berry. Like, that was my

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Speaker 1: this point, and well, Jack, I was.

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Speaker 3: Just thinking about your son, you know. I mean I

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Speaker 3: think he's advancing quite low. You should watch Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 2: And also has an English accent for some reason, weirdly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right, that's very strange. Talks exactly like Matt Berry.

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Speaker 2: I love that show. It's such a good show. Like Matt,

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Speaker 2: Matt Berry is one of those people where when he

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Speaker 2: He's going to be so funny. Were just watched a fallout.

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Speaker 3: Isn't it. Yeah, it's just fantastic. But it's very dark

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Speaker 2: What is something you think is underunderrated?

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Speaker 3: Underrated? I think I think he's actually eating plant based foods.

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Speaker 3: Would you believe it? About climate change? And that's something

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Speaker 3: And it's something that I think most of us just

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Speaker 3: It makes a huge difference. So, yeah, if people are

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Speaker 2: Ah we I'm going to cross that question off my list.

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Speaker 4: You've answered that when you say plant based, yeah, you're talking.

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Speaker 3: You can't say that. You can't say vegan.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say that I've had more and more

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Speaker 3: I've got a big Britain of the in the eighties

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Speaker 3: Unice Foot. She was American, and she was a very

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Speaker 3: early scientist area who basically discovered the greenhouse effecting and

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Speaker 3: climate change. Didn't call it christis or change at the time,

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Speaker 3: but she realized actually pumping walls here to carbon dark

437
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Speaker 3: side in the atmosphere cause is heating. So we've known

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Speaker 3: about it since the eighteen fifties, and so by the time,

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Speaker 3: you know, in the nineteen eighties or so, we're pretty clear.

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Speaker 3: You know that use of dirty energy has created this

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Speaker 3: heat trapping pollution and it's basically adding a blanket around

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Speaker 3: the earth and is causing irreversible heating. So we've known

443
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Speaker 3: that since the eighties and some companies, which fossil fuel

444
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Speaker 3: companies like x On Mobile. I actually had some of

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Speaker 3: the best scientists working in it in the seventies and

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Speaker 3: they knew back then, so it's been a bit of

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Speaker 3: a frustration, but at the same time sort of you're

448
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Speaker 3: always trying to engage with people to say, look, this

449
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Speaker 3: is what the science is showing us, and this is

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Speaker 3: looking really bad, and what we're going to do about it,

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Speaker 3: and if we move quite quickly it would be a

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Speaker 3: relatively easier transition. But now we are here, we are

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Speaker 3: in the twenty twenties having the same conversation. My kids

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Speaker 3: are now older than when I was first active in

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Speaker 3: this area, and where we're still trying to get carbon

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Speaker 3: ducts and other greenhouse gas emissions down, you know, a

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Speaker 3: pollution out of the air. So it's been frustrating, but

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Speaker 3: at the same time, I think as a far greater

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Speaker 3: engagement this the last couple of years, particularly for those

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Speaker 3: of us in the Norman hemisphere and the Western world

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Speaker 3: are becoming even more aware of it. So I think

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Speaker 3: there's a real energy and people want to do something,

463
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Speaker 3: and that was really the motivation behind the show, to

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Speaker 3: be honest, because as a climate scientists. Most people. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I still get for crazy emails and I no doubt

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Speaker 3: I'll get a load more after this this call. But

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Speaker 3: it was one of those things where.

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Speaker 2: Man, and I'm sorry you wat wasps nest here.

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Speaker 3: And it's just one of the moost things where most

470
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Speaker 3: people will ask me, what can I do. I think

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Speaker 3: that's the problem we've often had, is that here's a science.

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Speaker 3: Now someone else go and sort it out. What we're

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Speaker 3: trying to do as scientists who actually work with government, public,

474
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Speaker 3: actually industry, business, let's get this. These ideas deployed and

475
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Speaker 3: they are happening. It is super super positive just how

476
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Speaker 3: much we're seeing these technologies deploy more and more renewable

477
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Speaker 3: energy sources around the world, not just in the West.

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Speaker 3: So you know, there's a lot of good news out there,

479
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Speaker 3: but it's it's also hearing for people what they can

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Speaker 3: do individually.

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Speaker 1: That's the idea we talked before about on the show,

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Speaker 1: about how something you just made reference to, like the

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Speaker 1: Excellon knowing about this, like doing some of the most

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Speaker 1: advanced research into climate change decades before. I think most

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Speaker 1: people even knew it was the thing, like they were

486
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Speaker 1: lying about it before we even knew there wasn't it

487
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Speaker 1: to lie about, and so I feel like it's such

488
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Speaker 1: a clear villain like origin story. I just wonder, like

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Speaker 1: how you think about Like one of the things I

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Speaker 1: like about your podcast, like a lot of a lot

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Speaker 1: of the times when I'm hearing these stories, like hearing

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Speaker 1: the X on mobile story and you know, them discovering

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Speaker 1: that there's a problem and then being like, so how

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Speaker 1: do we how do we frame this from a marketing perspective?

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Speaker 1: You know, we don't get names. We get big corporations,

496
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Speaker 1: and then those are hard to like kind of grab

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Speaker 1: on to. But there's a couple real villains on your podcast,

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Speaker 1: like Fred Singer.

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Speaker 4: Ah, yes, yeah, piece of work. I will say thank.

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Speaker 3: You, yeah for those Yeah, amazingly completely outrageous characters who

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Speaker 3: are out there pushing this misinformation disinformation. They're basically creating confusion,

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Speaker 3: and the whole thing has been I mean, this is

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Speaker 3: a classic thing that you and you can see it

504
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Speaker 3: on the whole other public debase. If you really want

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Speaker 3: to just cause confusion, you just say things aren't really

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Speaker 3: that certain. You know, we know, we know that if

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Speaker 3: you didn't have Colvin docs on the Atmosphere and other

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Speaker 3: Green ass gas the planet. We go about mind, that's

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Speaker 3: fifty degrees and.

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Speaker 1: That Chris, isn't it better than that?

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Speaker 3: I think it sounds.

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Speaker 2: Cold to me. It sounds a little chilly a little bit.

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Speaker 3: It's good, right, I think we all agree a little

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Speaker 3: bits good. And the simple thing is you add more

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Speaker 3: to the atmosphere, more pollution, ill warm things up, and

516
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Speaker 3: then he thinks up. But when it's some of these

517
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Speaker 3: characters like Fred Seeinger, this was back in the eighties,

518
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Speaker 3: you know, creating these arguments for some of the best

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Speaker 3: known scientists actually in the space and then actually working

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Speaker 3: with him towards the end of their lives and basically

521
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Speaker 3: casting doubt on their work just introduces that certainty with

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Speaker 3: the public that, oh, maybe even the experts aren't sure,

523
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Speaker 3: just at a time when you've got this real head

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Speaker 3: of steam that actually they're going to make a difference.

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Speaker 3: I mean, ex on Mobile. One of my favorite things

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Speaker 3: that I've been watching online at the moment is a

527
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Speaker 3: great Adam McKay, the director. It's just incredibly funny, clever Matt.

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Speaker 3: Adam McKay did the Netflix movie Don't Look Up. He

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Speaker 3: started a new sort of satirical comedy channel called Yellow

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Speaker 3: Dots Studios and with Rain Wilson, they've done this spoof

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Speaker 3: on Game of Thrones called a Tale of Fire and Ice,

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Speaker 3: and you know, it's the scene where they drag out

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Speaker 3: via undead in a box, you know, in front of

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Speaker 3: all the main characters, John Snow and all the others,

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Speaker 3: and instead of the undead is Rain Wilson dressed up

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Speaker 3: as a scientist, all chained up, and this fantastic thing

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Speaker 3: about the House of ex on mobile as being the enemy.

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Speaker 3: And if people haven't watched it's on YouTube. It's absolutely brilliant,

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Speaker 3: absolutely brilliant. But is that Yeah, there's some great villains

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Speaker 3: in this story. And you know, when I used teaching

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Speaker 3: about climate change, one of the first things I used

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Speaker 3: to show was actually shared the students of this report

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Speaker 3: back from the seventies. There's lots of them that have

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Speaker 3: been released since or been leaked, and it shows back

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Speaker 3: in the seventies, some of the best scientists are pretty

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Speaker 3: much on the money, back in the nineteen seventies and

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Speaker 3: seeing students get so cross, so cross, and basically when

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Speaker 3: I was born and you it's outrageous, absolute us and

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Speaker 3: they still to come down st claiming, oh it's too expensive.

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Speaker 3: Now we need to stick with fossil fuel. That's the future. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just incredible they're still being given their time, some

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Speaker 3: of these characters.

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Speaker 1: Fred Singer, by the way, for listeners, we we actually

554
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Speaker 1: recently did a story about lunchables, the public health disaster

555
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Speaker 1: that is Oscar Myers started as Oscar Myers, but it's

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Speaker 1: like a craft food prepackaged lunch that was given to

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Speaker 1: us by craft food once the tobacco industry took over

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Speaker 1: the food industry and like they were like, all right,

559
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Speaker 1: one thing, we know how to get people addicted in

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Speaker 1: a way that will make us money and kill them.

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Speaker 1: Like that's and so I just bring it up here

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Speaker 1: because Fred Singer's background thing that prepared him to be

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Speaker 1: like one of the fossil fuel industries like go to

564
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Speaker 1: people for so in confusion. His background was so in

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Speaker 1: confusion about the health effects of smoking. Yeah, amazing, so

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Speaker 1: wild that that was just this like original sin where

567
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Speaker 1: all these professional liars were like watching each other being like,

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Speaker 1: hey we should draft that guy. Look at the talent

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Speaker 1: on that ad campaign.

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Speaker 2: I mean he has all he can shoot, he can dribble.

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Speaker 3: Can you just need people out that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, but like because you were taught. I was

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Speaker 2: listening to your episode. I think it was the Blue

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Speaker 2: Carbon episode, yes, Chris, and it was if we're talking

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Speaker 2: like making this like a cinematic thing where we have

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Speaker 2: the villains, the villains seem like very clearly defined, where

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Speaker 2: it's almost like tragically sad and sweet that the the protagonists,

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Speaker 2: the people, the heroes of this worry can actually be

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Speaker 2: from that environment, like the ocean or actually natural resources,

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Speaker 2: which is the things that we're actively destroying are the

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Speaker 2: things that can actually help us as well, which is

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Speaker 2: so you know, like kind of sad but kind of

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Speaker 2: sweet also. But yeah, I thought that was a really

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Speaker 2: really interesting episode where I've always thought, oh, it's like

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Speaker 2: we need to do this. We need like human beings

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Speaker 2: need to reverse so many of our habits, which we do.

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Speaker 2: And also we you know, your guests was saying we

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Speaker 2: can't do it without help from the environment. Also the environment.

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Speaker 3: That's that's that's the amazing San Juan who's in Conservation International,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, the whole idea of blue Carbon is, yeah,

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Speaker 3: basically using the oceans. And he has this lovely quote

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Speaker 3: he says, look, if I was king of the world

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Speaker 3: for just one day, I protect the mangrove forests, which

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Speaker 3: of these incredible trees that live on the coastal plains,

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Speaker 3: and they pump down so much carbon into out of

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Speaker 3: the atmosphere into the ground there. I mean, it's it's

597
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Speaker 3: multiple times more than tropical rainfall. These things are huge.

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Speaker 3: And as you say, we go and clearing them and

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Speaker 3: under the guys that you get a nice view. It's

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Speaker 3: just I'm clearing for a whole load of problems results

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Speaker 3: as a as a result.

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Speaker 1: I'm a proponent personally of condos, personal condos with good

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Speaker 1: views of man. Yeah, I'm so. I mean, I guess

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Speaker 1: you could convince me otherwise, but that's just where I'm at.

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Speaker 1: We'll just put him in the mangroves, right, Yeah, how

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Speaker 1: are we going to appreciate the mangroves if we don't

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Speaker 1: have giant condos there? Thank you for the question, John,

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Speaker 1: problem solved a point.

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Speaker 3: I think the really important thing with with with something

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Speaker 3: like as big and there's an enormous as climate crisis

611
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Speaker 3: is you could go really dark really quickly. You could

612
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Speaker 3: go back and there's a huge amount of challenges massive

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Speaker 3: But the problem is if you just give that message

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Speaker 3: of despair, nothing will happen. You know, we need to

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Speaker 3: get people motivated. And there's a lot of great stuff,

616
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 3: as you say, but it's happening. Putting aside to condos,

617
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,360
Speaker 3: there's a lot of really good things that are happening.

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Speaker 3: So maybe we talk.

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Speaker 1: About the good stuff that are happening in the world

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Speaker 1: of condos on another episode you can go ahead with.

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Speaker 2: Her contemporary housing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you've gotta you've gotta get people hope and

623
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Speaker 3: and actually show them which way we can actually make

624
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Speaker 3: a big difference. And I think that's motivating, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, your podcast does that, which I like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it's yeah, another reason why I connect with it.

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Speaker 1: Yes, you your podcast also, you know you have the

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Speaker 1: Adam McKay episode about storytelling just again, and I think

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Speaker 1: your instinct of like telling your students from day one

630
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Speaker 1: like they have been lying to us all along, Like

631
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,320
Speaker 1: it does help when I hear the facts about okay,

632
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Speaker 1: like here are the things you can do. You can

633
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Speaker 1: like change your diet, you know, which I'm joking, Like,

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Speaker 1: I one agree, there are things that we can all

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00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:09,240
Speaker 1: do to help. But at the same time, the vast,

636
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Speaker 1: vast majority of this damage has been caused by these companies,

637
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 1: like these villains. I feel like there's something kind of

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00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: focusing and simplifying about that that I wish was a

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00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: little bit more. I don't know, maybe Adam McKay is

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Speaker 1: going to make like the great film about just like

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00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:36,120
Speaker 1: the history of this, but I do feel like that

642
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: we had we had the The Insider about the tobacco

643
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Speaker 1: industry that was like an Academy Award winning film. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to the genre of movies to come about.

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00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: They're like name names like podcast talks about. So I've

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Speaker 1: probably said I don't know the phrase climate change a

647
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 1: couple times at least since we started recording this episode.

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Speaker 1: That phrase was invented by Republicans to downplay the problem

649
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: of at like climate heating, like they change. They changed

650
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 1: the word from global warming to climate change. Like Frank Luntz,

651
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 1: whose name I recognized from being like a Republican polster,

652
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: was that was like his brain child. He was like,

653
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: what if we just we just say climate change. You know,

654
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:32,560
Speaker 1: we're acknowledging that it's changing. Okay, don't I can see

655
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: you getting mad. We're saying we admit it's changing for

656
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: better or worse. Who's to say you know it's changing.

657
00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: That's enough, Like that's the first step. We've admitted that,

658
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,640
Speaker 1: and this is a negotiation, like is kind of the

659
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,000
Speaker 1: energy that it has, and they fucking won. Like when

660
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:55,359
Speaker 1: you search New York Times dot com results for like

661
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: global warming sixty six point six global heating like only

662
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Speaker 1: one hundred. Total global warming is sixty six thousand, climate

663
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: change is ninety seven thousand. It's like the phrase that won.

664
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Speaker 1: And it's just what Republicans wanted to make it seem

665
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: less scary when they were talking about it, and they again,

666
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: it's just a I don't want to feel hopeless. At

667
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: the same time, I do want to acknowledge that we

668
00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: are the victim of a vast, long term, and highly

669
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: successful campaign to lie to us about something before we

670
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: even knew there was something to be lied to about.

671
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: That is like very sophisticated, and I don't know, it

672
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,320
Speaker 1: just like makes it. It's like clarifying to me that like, yeah, okay,

673
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: there's this. We're in a battle with a lot of

674
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: different people who are putting a lot of different thought

675
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: into it. We are slowly making progress in that battle

676
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 1: in a bunch of ways that we'll soon talk about

677
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: but I just wanted to kind of hear your thoughts

678
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: on that because I was certainly a victim of calling

679
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: it climate change. I think I think that's kind of

680
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: what I referred to it as until your show told

681
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: me I shouldn't be.

682
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Speaker 3: Oh that's beautifully Puss. I'll definitely have you on the

683
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 3: show next time.

684
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:19,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're right.

685
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 2: I mean, it's the broken clocks right, twice a day. Yeah,

686
00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:26,840
Speaker 2: his kids and left and right.

687
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 3: Tough crowd, right, you have to work with Jack, is

688
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 3: that right?

689
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 4: Right?

690
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it's uh, it's one of those things where

691
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 3: and change is good, right, So a perception is, oh,

692
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 3: oh it's change, okay, and actually that recognition that change

693
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 3: isn't good in this case, And actually there's a more

694
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 3: there's a bigger issue. I mean, some people aren't comfortable

695
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 3: with crisis, like calling it out of the same way

696
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 3: people talked about global boiling. But that's another level up again.

697
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 3: But you know, to get rid of global warming to

698
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: global heating, climate crisis, call it what it is. You know,

699
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 3: we've got a major major problem here, and it's it's

700
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: now in our face. This isn't something that's going to

701
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 3: happen in twenty plus years or whatever is happening now

702
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: and we've got to really turn things around. And basically,

703
00:39:19,200 --> 00:39:22,400
Speaker 3: all this procrastination and delaying is going to cost us dearly,

704
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: not just economically but personally, and people are dying as

705
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: a result. So it's an enormous challenge moving forward. But

706
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: you know, misinformation, disinformation, that is a big problem. We've

707
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 3: got that and a huge challenge. All this stuff is

708
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,319
Speaker 3: out there and people start isolating themselves, and I think

709
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 3: that's probably one of the bigger challenges moving forward really

710
00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: is that actually they get into their own world and

711
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 3: they start thinking that, oh, they've got their world's view sorted,

712
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 3: and they find these bits of information and basically say, oh,

713
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 3: it's not a problem, and they just hone in. That

714
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 3: is comforting, right, right. And I think one of the

715
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,399
Speaker 3: things where it starts to see a lot more now

716
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 3: is actually getting out there as a community, getting to

717
00:40:05,640 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 3: know your neighbors, working with people, realizing you're not on

718
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: your right And I mean, the show is very much

719
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 3: about what you can do, and that's not just individually,

720
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 3: if that's collectively. And actually there's an awful lot of

721
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: people out there who really want to do things and

722
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 3: actually make a change, but you are right, you know.

723
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Speaker 3: At the same time, you're very aware that there's this

724
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Speaker 3: a whole society is built around, and that's premise.

725
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Speaker 2: Here.

726
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 3: If you want fossil fuel, here is his petrol, his gas,

727
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:35,280
Speaker 3: whatever you want coal, it's all there, and there's nothing

728
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: to see here because it's it's just one part of

729
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 3: the mix and things have changed before, and that's not

730
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 3: true anymore. You know, everyone knows that. You know. The

731
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,840
Speaker 3: consensus is we've got to we've got an existential threat,

732
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,359
Speaker 3: to be honest, and now we've got to sort it out. Yeah.

733
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean one of what we'll get into the

734
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Speaker 1: lawsuit in Montana, one of the lead lawyers who you

735
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,839
Speaker 1: have on just kind of breaks it down and that's

736
00:40:59,840 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 1: where that was very clean for me. It was like

737
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: people don't need fossil fuels, like people need a way

738
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: to heat their homes and get to work, which, like,

739
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 1: the thing standing in our way is not our need

740
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: for fossil fuels, it's the current structures of power and

741
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: wealth creation that have been built up around fossil fuels

742
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Speaker 1: kind of protecting themselves.

743
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Speaker 2: It's the default. Like that's the default. I'm gonna go

744
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,480
Speaker 2: get yas It's kind of similar with the vegan conversation

745
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 2: we were having earlier, where you have to say I

746
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:34,120
Speaker 2: need to go to a vegan restaurant or a restaurant

747
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,880
Speaker 2: with like not just a restaurant, because a restaurant the

748
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 2: default of restaurants is that, oh, it's going to be

749
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 2: primarily like meat based. So that is really yeah, that's

750
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Speaker 2: a really good point.

751
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Speaker 1: Yeah, But all right, so let's take a break, we'll

752
00:41:45,719 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 1: come back. We'll talk about some of the solutions that

753
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: you guys talk about in your show.

754
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Speaker 2: We'll be right back, and we'll be right back.

755
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Blake, and we will be right back. Yeah,

756
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,879
Speaker 1: and we are back, just like we said. You might

757
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: not have believed it, but we are back. And so Chris,

758
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,760
Speaker 1: there's an episode. Well, let's talk about the Montana lawsuit first,

759
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: because that one is really exciting. A bunch of yeah,

760
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of young people got together sued the state

761
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:32,520
Speaker 1: of Montana and one for like basically there was something

762
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: on the books because of like activists in the seventies

763
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Speaker 1: who recognized that like pollution and you know that they

764
00:42:40,560 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 1: needed environmental protections got it added to was it the

765
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Speaker 1: state constitution, Like they got wording added those like you

766
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: also you can't like pollute us all to death, thanks

767
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: and just and so they were able to get this

768
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Speaker 1: group of young people together and sue the state of

769
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Speaker 1: Montana and they won.

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Speaker 3: And like what, it's a story. It's like ato movie.

771
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: Truly, So what do you like, Well, tell me, like

772
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: what you take away from that?

773
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think it's it. And actually following off

774
00:43:14,440 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 3: a little bit what you were saying, Jack about companies

775
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: knowing that they were causing harm. It's this whole thing

776
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 3: of what's going to happen in the legal system, right,

777
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 3: So Montana is a fascinating one. This is Nate Bellinger

778
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: who you're talking about, is one of the lawyers for

779
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: a group called Our Children's Trust, and they've been fighting

780
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,040
Speaker 3: against a whole load of fossil field developments for some

781
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:39,160
Speaker 3: years now. And basically he's got his lovely phrase. He

782
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 3: talks about it being like a whack a mole. You know,

783
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 3: someone's looking to put a or a finery or something

784
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: or the drilling site, and they go to the courts

785
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 3: and they try and fight it and then then maybe

786
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 3: get it delayed or whatever, and then another one pops up,

787
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,640
Speaker 3: and then the one you've just got delayed comes back

788
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 3: up again, and it's like he calls it whack a mole. Yeah,

789
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Speaker 3: And so the problem is when you've got the sort

790
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,759
Speaker 3: of individual you just can't find them all. There's just

791
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: so many developments, right, And so they realized, and I'll

792
00:44:06,040 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 3: come back to this in a moment, but there's a

793
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: big federal court case at the moment called Juliana versus

794
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:15,080
Speaker 3: a Federal Government. And so actually there's a really good

795
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,200
Speaker 3: Netflix movie on that called You figalv on Netflix if

796
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 3: people haven't seen it, it's just a really heartbreaking but

797
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: really insightful documentary about that court case that's still going on. Actually,

798
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 3: But in the meantime, this case went forward in Montana,

799
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 3: and basically it's both for Juliana, the federal court case

800
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:39,120
Speaker 3: and also this one in Montana went after the issues

801
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 3: on the constitution and those are a lot hard to change.

802
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 3: You can't get the government getting going in and just

803
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 3: saying oh, I'll change the law now, so stop that

804
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 3: problem's gone the way. It's really hard to do this.

805
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 3: And as you say, you know, back in the seventies

806
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 3: they inserted this bid in for constitution about having a

807
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 3: clean and healthful environment in Montana, so it's on the books, right,

808
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 3: And basically, these amazing young people took the state to

809
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:06,800
Speaker 3: court with our Children's Trust and basically argued, hang on

810
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 3: them minute, you're actually not considering climate change any of

811
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 3: these developments. That's against the constitution. You're not creating a

812
00:45:13,880 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 3: clean and health of environment. And the judge found in

813
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 3: their favors. This is back in June twenty twenty three,

814
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 3: and it was an incredible court case because basically they

815
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 3: realized actually legally they had to consider those fossil field

816
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 3: developments and they won. And Claire Vases, who's one of

817
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 3: the youth plaintiffs, was actually on the case as well,

818
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:38,280
Speaker 3: explaining some of the thinking and why she got involved

819
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 3: and just completely inspirational people. But they won the case

820
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 3: and it was upheld. So it's in the constitution and

821
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 3: they now have to do that. Yeah, the state has

822
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: to look at fossil field developments now consider climate change.

823
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Speaker 1: Now a problem for the courtroom drama about this, And

824
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: something that made my blood run a little bit cold

825
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:03,319
Speaker 1: is when it came time for the state to like

826
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Speaker 1: present their case, they just kind of didn't. They like

827
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: didn't present any testimony or any like really countered the

828
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: case that was presented at all, and that scared me.

829
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so like to your point about

830
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:25,239
Speaker 1: whack them all, almost pronounced it wakam like wakam ole

831
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 1: whack them all, which plant bass based, and that's why

832
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: I mentioned it. Of course, the only protein that I

833
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: take is from wakam ole.

834
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Speaker 4: It's true, but they like, I've got a guy bad restaurant.

835
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 3: It's not.

836
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Speaker 1: But it does feel like sometimes these court cases where

837
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: whether it be you know, protecting people's bodily autonomy or

838
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 1: it always feels like a little like you're you're you're

839
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: just trying to plug a million holes in a damn like.

840
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: It does feel a little bit like whack mule. And

841
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:08,439
Speaker 1: so I'm just wondering, like when they didn't present any

842
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 1: contradictory evidence, I'm like, okay, are they just like, yeah, okay,

843
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 1: we'll get we'll get you next time. Obviously you have

844
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 1: us beat here, or I guess there's this federal case

845
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: that's happening right now. So I'm glad to hear that

846
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 1: it wasn't like challenged in court in court and they're

847
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,640
Speaker 1: not just going to like overturn it.

848
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Speaker 3: But it was amazing, wasn't it. I mean, I think

849
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 3: it was several days where the case was put forward

850
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,520
Speaker 3: and I think it was like a couple of hours

851
00:47:34,040 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: reponse and the defense. It was almost hing But he

852
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 3: reads some of the testimony. They basically the officers who were

853
00:47:40,200 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 3: in charge of trying to protect UPUL the constitution didn't

854
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 3: even know some of the basic things about what the

855
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 3: UN climate reports were, what they were, what the issues were.

856
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: It was almost it was up Frank. It was just

857
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 3: embarrassing that these people are charged with that task and

858
00:47:55,880 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 3: just had been told basically not to worry about it

859
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 3: and just weren't weren't aware of it. So I think

860
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 3: ultimately it fell down because the state realized it didn't

861
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 3: have a leg to stand on them this point. Yeah, amazing.

862
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,760
Speaker 3: So but the federal case, Yeah, that's that's still going forward.

863
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:15,919
Speaker 3: That's still going forward. It's still being considered. It's worth

864
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 3: watching a Netflix movie if people haven't seen it. It's

865
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 3: quite incredible.

866
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the Biden administration is that the

867
00:48:23,320 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: one that the Biden administration is fighting as well.

868
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 3: Kind of it started with Obama and then yeah, and

869
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 3: now a Biden is fighting it.

870
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: Administrations are fighting against this attempt to you know, change

871
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: things and hold these corporations accountable and just make it

872
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: so that you can't pollute our children to death. Seems

873
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: like pretty seems like it could be a political winner

874
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 1: if we paid attention to it, But that doesn't seem

875
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: to be a priority with the mainstream media. Like that's

876
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: another thing that's just very frustrating is the way they

877
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: tell these stories and like what they choose to pay

878
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: attention to can be pretty frustrated. You have an episode

879
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: with Tom Steyer, who ran for president, is running for president.

880
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 3: He ran for president back in twenty twenty.

881
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: Twenty, okay, and yeah, and he's he's like a wealthy

882
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: man who is like his thing is that you can

883
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: use capitalism to solve these problems, and there's just I

884
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,399
Speaker 1: don't know, Like one of his investment ideas is if

885
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: you have the technology for figuring out, like what the

886
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 1: carbon footprint is of your sweater, and you're like holding

887
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: you hold that technology so that people are able to

888
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: keep track of that information, then like that's a trillion

889
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 1: dollar idea. I don't know. I think it makes sense

890
00:50:01,120 --> 00:50:04,640
Speaker 1: in some ways, right, Like the economics and like capitalism

891
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: is after all just like a system of incentives to

892
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: get people to do what you want them to do.

893
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: But I've also seen this like cycle of engagement and

894
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: then exhaustion in the media and from corporations, where like

895
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:25,480
Speaker 1: if the economy goes down, capitalists like lose patients with

896
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: anything that is not one profit motivated. And you know,

897
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: if like I saw a Wall Street Journal article in

898
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: the past year where they were like, social responsibility is

899
00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: becoming a bad word on Wall Street because people are

900
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: tired of it and have deemed it not profitable enough.

901
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: And so I just I worry about like the forces

902
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: of capital being so fickle that I do feel like

903
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: we need that massive infusion from from the government right

904
00:50:56,840 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: to kind of force the hand of capital a little bit.

905
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 1: What were your thoughts on that.

906
00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: No, You're absolutely right, and I don't think Tom would

907
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 3: say it's all just one one way only. You need

908
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 3: both for sure. I mean, I mean, if you go

909
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: back in the day, right and I just throw your

910
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 3: slops out the window. You know why capacity guttering it

911
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,319
Speaker 3: was just super easy, didn't cost anything. Send you, send you,

912
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 3: send your children down the coal mine. That was pretty

913
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 3: awesome as well. Yeah, you know, keep it going free market,

914
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,719
Speaker 3: back in the in the good old days, back in

915
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 3: the day like that for us.

916
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: It was like a earlier this month for me.

917
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 2: But go ahead, well, I'm sorry you were in a

918
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 2: coal mine earlier this month.

919
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I would never go down there. I can't.

920
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: My kids, my kids as a child, Yeah, that's where I.

921
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:49,640
Speaker 2: Learned the bad language, working with all these miners.

922
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:59,239
Speaker 3: Kids us. And we don't do that anymore, right, I mean, gosh,

923
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,239
Speaker 3: it was a great thing back in oh back in

924
00:52:02,239 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: the eighteen fifties, and there was a great thing called

925
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 3: A Great Stink of London. I do another bad movie

926
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 3: and it was amazing. You stopped a review. It wasn't

927
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: a good one, Egbert, so great.

928
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,040
Speaker 1: The Thames.

929
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 3: It was just for one time London was warm and hot,

930
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:27,319
Speaker 3: and all this waste was in the Thames and it

931
00:52:27,440 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 3: just became its massive smell for two months and they

932
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: called it a great steamer, nearly relocated out of Parliament,

933
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:35,879
Speaker 3: and up till that point, one just said, ah, it's

934
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 3: too tough, this is too tough. Just keep throwing your

935
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 3: slops out. It'll be fine. And as a result of that,

936
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 3: because it was so awful, they built this massive sewage

937
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:49,960
Speaker 3: system for London, which was just hundred thousands of kilometers

938
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: of tunnels under London, which is thought to be impossible,

939
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:56,319
Speaker 3: and just everyone we still use them, right, It's just

940
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: this amazing thing, and other countries had similar things around

941
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 3: the world. That was government setting those barriers. What people

942
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 3: like to talk about is barriers of the guardrails. Right,

943
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 3: this is where we're going. This is the limit that

944
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,839
Speaker 3: we think as a society is acceptable, and that's what

945
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 3: we vote for. And then basically at Tom's actual I

946
00:53:16,920 --> 00:53:22,160
Speaker 3: think really interesting premises under those settings right now, industry

947
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 3: capitalism can help deliver about but you need those guardrails

948
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 3: otherwise you're back to having kids in a coal mine

949
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:28,960
Speaker 3: and throwing the loops outside.

950
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 2: And I think the thing about the jack those are

951
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 2: bad things. Those are bad things.

952
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 1: Just in terms of how they affect my family's income

953
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:43,959
Speaker 1: though not so bad. But I understand the arguments against them. Theoretically,

954
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I haven't really listened to any, but yeah, okay.

955
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:52,640
Speaker 3: You can go on, yes, And so that's that's what's happening.

956
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:56,719
Speaker 3: You know, this idea of actually recognizing in the law

957
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 3: of it, actually when you go to buy your sweater

958
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 3: or whatever what impact am I having when I'm buying that,

959
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:07,359
Speaker 3: you know what is happening, and when Tom talks about

960
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 3: or how much carbon dark side is, which is at

961
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 3: the moment, we've got no idea, right, it's really hard.

962
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 3: A few progressive companies and while doing that, but we've

963
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:18,960
Speaker 3: got no idea at all. And with that going into

964
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:22,880
Speaker 3: legislation now around the world, it's changing everything, is changing

965
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,840
Speaker 3: everything because people know, right, and then places like Europe

966
00:54:25,880 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 3: are bringing in sort of taxes. So if you've port

967
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 3: something into Europe, you've got to satisfy a minimum level.

968
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 3: You've got to keep your emissions down, your pollution down,

969
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,440
Speaker 3: and so that's driving everyone to say, well, can I

970
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 3: do it for less? Can I do less, use less carbon?

971
00:54:40,920 --> 00:54:43,520
Speaker 3: Can I use less green ass gases? Can I cause

972
00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 3: less pollution? And then you can show that you can

973
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 3: you can sell your products. So I think it's this

974
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:53,120
Speaker 3: gradual transition as we're moving forward, but it's moving pretty

975
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: quickly now that in that direction.

976
00:54:55,760 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost a farm to table approach to like clothes,

977
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: like yarn the body, where you want to know, okay,

978
00:55:04,120 --> 00:55:07,680
Speaker 2: where was this made because made in you know, Portugal,

979
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 2: made in Bangladesh, it's not specific in any way, and

980
00:55:11,440 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 2: often it really gives you no information.

981
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: Yesoever, you just know the entire country that was making Yes,

982
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: Like okay, I think you're good.

983
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,360
Speaker 3: Ye told what made.

984
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 2: How to get there? Who made it? And it's interesting

985
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 2: to hear you talk about like the great Stink and

986
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 2: you know, to go not to be pessimistic, but it's like, Okay,

987
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 2: it literally took an entire city to smell like shit

988
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,640
Speaker 2: in order for them to build that. And then that's

989
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: the challenge, you know, the messaging with I know, with

990
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,360
Speaker 2: I want to get the phrase right with with the

991
00:55:46,360 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 2: climate crisis is that people don't think it's as urgent

992
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 2: as oh, it smells like shit outside and I don't

993
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: want to deal with it, you know. But then it's

994
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 2: starting to get more you know, there are the like, oh,

995
00:56:00,120 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 2: there's more floods now, there's more hurricanes now. And I

996
00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: thought there was an interesting episode you did. Your guests,

997
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,360
Speaker 2: I believe they were from Bangkok, and I think like

998
00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:11,719
Speaker 2: there was like setting up like the pork and canals,

999
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 2: and you're like trying to deal with the current situation,

1000
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 2: which is not great, while also building for the future.

1001
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,560
Speaker 2: I think is an interesting dichotomy that's going on.

1002
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I.

1003
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 3: Mean, and I think that's the other side, right, because

1004
00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 3: we've left it so long now climate is changing. It's

1005
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 3: actually happening. So it's not just a case of are

1006
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 3: we going to cut down carbon pollution or pollution full stop.

1007
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 3: We've also got to live with it. And half of

1008
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 3: us are more depending where you are in the world,

1009
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,600
Speaker 3: live in cities, towns and yeah, culture gore and there's

1010
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:48,320
Speaker 3: this amazing tai architect who's working. They've done this incredible

1011
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 3: park in Bangkok, but there's a whole lot of examples

1012
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 3: around the world. But there's this lovely concept, this idea

1013
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 3: of sponginess. Cities have got levels of sponginess, and it's

1014
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 3: this idea that you know, if you can rather and

1015
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 3: just concrete a whole lot and there's all sorts of

1016
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,680
Speaker 3: problems downstream. If you can build parks and wetlands and

1017
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 3: other things, you can absorb the brain when you have

1018
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 3: a big flooding, you can create shelter. Because the other

1019
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 3: side is we got massive heat waves us. You know,

1020
00:57:14,239 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 3: you guys an awful summer last year, and we're gonna

1021
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 3: deal with that, and we're gonna make cities more livable

1022
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:25,120
Speaker 3: for people in this in this changing climate, and that's

1023
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: a huge challenge. So and people will demand that very

1024
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 3: very quickly, and they already are now.

1025
00:57:31,240 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like the unhappiness of people in like

1026
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 1: we've talked before on the show that there's a lot

1027
00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: of times like the unlike young people being unhappy right

1028
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,720
Speaker 1: now is often blamed on like well, social media and

1029
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 1: they play too many video games, and it's wild to

1030
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: me that it's not more of a one to one. Yeah, Well,

1031
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 1: they're the first generation that has inherited an earth that

1032
00:57:59,800 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: is dying, where the generation and power is like actively

1033
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: kind of has been less and less but has been

1034
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:13,920
Speaker 1: like actively ignoring things. So I don't know it. Yeah,

1035
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: the idea that got that was raised because you spoke

1036
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,960
Speaker 1: to that was sort of our instinct on this like

1037
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:25,400
Speaker 1: covering the unhappiness. But you actually interviewed a forensic psychiatrist

1038
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: whose job is to figure out like why people are

1039
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: going through what they're going through in the modern world,

1040
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:34,160
Speaker 1: and they landed on climate being a part of this

1041
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: modern epidemic of unhappiness. Right.

1042
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:40,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a real challenge for us. That's the amazing

1043
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 3: lease of ancestry in fact, she was actually on the

1044
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:48,439
Speaker 3: Montana court case as well, So incredible inspirational lady. And yes,

1045
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:53,320
Speaker 3: climate is heartbreaking. They actually a major major issue for

1046
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 3: so many people in there's global surveys that she's been

1047
00:58:56,000 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 3: involved in, and now the is showing this and I

1048
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 3: think that's a Now the point for a motivation for

1049
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: the show is actually providing hope for people, because it

1050
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 3: is so easy just to give up, and people are

1051
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: incredibly vulnerable, especially when you're in growing up and you're

1052
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: literally growing but also just trying to understand the world.

1053
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,280
Speaker 3: And there is the enormity of what our generations, older

1054
00:59:19,360 --> 00:59:22,560
Speaker 3: generations have done to give this. You know, since I've

1055
00:59:22,560 --> 00:59:25,840
Speaker 3: been born, as you said right at the beginning when

1056
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,640
Speaker 3: we started the show, you know can't and the amount

1057
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 3: of pollution we put up, it's more than double since

1058
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:34,240
Speaker 3: I was born, going into the atmosphere. Then the whole

1059
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: history of the world, the civilization. So you know the

1060
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 3: fact that actually in the state that we know this

1061
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:44,840
Speaker 3: has cause harm, we've carried on doing it. And this

1062
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:50,200
Speaker 3: next generation, heartbreakingly are actually waking up to this and

1063
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 3: actually demanding action, which is incredible, right, you know, it's

1064
00:59:53,240 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 3: actually this idea of actually they want action, and it's

1065
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 3: forcing a lot of the world to actually wake up

1066
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 3: and say, oh, yeah, can't just carry on as normal

1067
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 3: and it'll be fine because yeah, well I won't be

1068
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,680
Speaker 3: around for much longer and then it's your problem. Yeah,

1069
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 3: And I think you know, there was there's an interview

1070
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 3: where we did it wonderful a wonderful Bill Bill mckibbon,

1071
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 3: who's been around since I was a teenager. And Bill

1072
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 3: makes this really valid point. He says, you know, the

1073
01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 3: sort of argument is, oh, the youth can sort it out,

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Speaker 3: it's their problem. If everyone's sought it, that's fine. But

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Speaker 3: the problem is, as he says, you know, actually they

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Speaker 3: haven't got the money, they haven't got my relationships, they

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Speaker 3: don't understand how the politics works. At the same level,

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Speaker 3: they don't have vote the power to actually do anything

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Speaker 3: about it until they reach the age of the old

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Speaker 3: people saying the older people saying, oh, you sort it out.

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Speaker 3: And so we've got to work across different generations to

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Speaker 3: actually crack this, because it's not enough just for you

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Speaker 3: to say, oh, it's your problem, you sort it if

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Speaker 3: you're really not worried about it, you know. And I

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Speaker 3: think that's actually quite inspirational bill you know, is doing

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Speaker 3: this thing a group called Third Act, which is basically

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Speaker 3: putting people LOLd of a sixty in contact and helping

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Speaker 3: that younger gen z actually drive those changes. So people

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Speaker 3: are listening sight the older persuasion. Check out Third Act.

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Speaker 3: It's a great way of getting involved. And then what

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Speaker 3: you can do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and doctor Vansstra makes the point that unhappiness is

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Speaker 1: not like it's natural, like it's understandable given what young

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Speaker 1: people are dealing.

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Speaker 2: With as the social media, because of social media, because

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Speaker 2: of social media, that's and not wanting to work.

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Speaker 1: And but that's right, they're lazy and social media and

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Speaker 1: those are the main things. And there might be the

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Speaker 1: climate thing. No obviously, like there's this massive existential threat

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Speaker 1: to the species. And it feels a little crazy making

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Speaker 1: to be living, entering into this world where everyone's like yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, but you guys got it, so we didn't

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Speaker 1: happiness this you've done happiness and the anger is actually

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Speaker 1: the proropriate response.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely And then and then the question is what

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Speaker 3: do you do with that? And that's where you need

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Speaker 3: to actually focus out and say, okay, let's drive action. Yes,

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Speaker 3: don't just reflect on that and get worse. Actually we

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Speaker 3: can actually make a big difference. But yeah, it's a

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Speaker 3: huge challenge, but you're right, it's a natural response to that.

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Speaker 1: Who would get angry exactly? All right? Well, Chris, what

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Speaker 1: a pleasure having you on the Daily Gust. Where can

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Speaker 1: people find you? Follow you here? You are the good stuff?

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Speaker 3: Ah well, we're welcome. I'm on Instagram for Prof. Chris

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Speaker 3: Attorney and those of them on LinkedIn as well. I'm

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Speaker 3: on the same name as well, so please reach out.

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Speaker 3: But check out the podcast I'm Fucking the Future and

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Speaker 3: hope you enjoy it. It's it's got solutions out there.

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Speaker 3: We can do this. So thanks for all a huge

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Speaker 3: amount for your time. It's been great fun. Yes, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Great having you on. Is there a work of media

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Speaker 1: that you've been enjoying. I think you've mentioned a couple

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Speaker 1: you've enjoyed.

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Speaker 3: So the one thing I'm really enjoying is Yellow Dot

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Speaker 3: Studios with the great Adam McKay. Honestly, people want a

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Speaker 3: little bit of light humor but also get some inspiration

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Speaker 3: for what you can do. There's a lot of really short,

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Speaker 3: quirky movies and satire there that's just like getting people activated,

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Speaker 3: but one with Rain Wilson Vogue with Fire and Ice

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Speaker 3: for the Game of Thrones. One that is just a

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Speaker 3: fantastic spoof and you can find out about the House

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Speaker 3: of Excell Mobile and work out how to how to

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Speaker 3: find those solutions. So great fun, but of humor goes

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Speaker 3: an awfully long way.

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Speaker 1: There you go. We will look after that in the footnotes, Blake,

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Speaker 1: where can people find you as their working media?

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Speaker 2: You've been enjoying I just listened to Unfucking the Future

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Speaker 2: today and honestly it was I love it. It's such

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Speaker 2: a good podcast and does leave you feeling better, which

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Speaker 2: is which is great. It's very fun. Also, there was

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Speaker 2: a tweet that I was that I was enjoying work.

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Speaker 2: There is that picture of Trump where what if it

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Speaker 2: was just this? I like that picture of Trump ordering

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Speaker 2: all the milkshakes at the Chick fil A. Now there

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Speaker 2: was someone took a screenshot of that and said, like,

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Speaker 2: what do you notice about their reaction the people working

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Speaker 2: at the store, And then at Die Workwear wrote I

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Speaker 2: will tell you what I noticed, and then he did

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Speaker 2: a thread dissecting Donald Trump's suit and why it's not

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Speaker 2: fashionable in all the errors that he's done that makes

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Speaker 2: the suit make him look worse than if he had

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Speaker 2: actually just tailored it correctly. So it was at a

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Speaker 2: d I E W O R K W E A R.

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Speaker 2: Then also you didn't ask, but where can they find me?

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Speaker 2: At Blake Wexler Maybe you did? Maybe Sorry, I've been

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Speaker 2: having so much trouble listening to you today and it's

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Speaker 2: the worst co host of I really this I miss

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Speaker 2: so much today on a Blake Wexler on social media,

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Speaker 2: and then I am doing stand up on the road

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Speaker 2: coming up Cincinnati this week April eighteenth to the twenty first,

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Speaker 2: Philadelphia April twenty seventh, Brooklyn the twenty eighth, and then Bristol, Tennessee,

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Speaker 2: May Tempt to the eleventh, And all those dates are

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Speaker 2: on Blake Wexler dot com at slash live dash dates.

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Speaker 3: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: There, go see Blake in person. You really have to

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Speaker 1: see him in person, so don't. Yeah, it's really like

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Speaker 1: you get it in person more.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a similar situation where because of the fruit

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Speaker 2: smashing I have, like you know, there's gonna be a tarp.

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Speaker 1: I really need to see you need to get with

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Speaker 1: the little bits of watermelon to really yet extra.

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Speaker 2: No, No, what's actually it does. Yeah, it costs me

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Speaker 2: to be honest, that's a lot of overhead for the fruit,

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Speaker 2: the produce transportation between the dates and my mallet that

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Speaker 2: I have to check.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack underscore o

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Speaker 1: Brian tweet. I've been enjoying Jason Pargan, former guest former

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Speaker 1: co host of The Cracks podcast, has just been doing

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Speaker 1: this running thing about how what you know, one of

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Speaker 1: the greatest Hollywood mysteries from any movie is from the

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Speaker 1: movie The Town and how nobody can figure out what

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Speaker 1: what town it takes place in, which is my friends

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Speaker 1: that I ever it's so over the top, like they're

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Speaker 1: like every single like everybody's got like Boston shirts on

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Speaker 1: in Boston hats, and they're like they call Fenway the Cathedral,

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Speaker 1: Like my friends and I always talked about, like joked

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Speaker 1: about how over the top it was, and like how

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Speaker 1: they just smashed you over the head, like calling Fenway

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Speaker 1: were Robin the Cathedral, bro is so absurd. But this

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Speaker 1: is just the greatest. I just love it. Very dry

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Speaker 1: and funny from Jason Pargin Jason K. Pargen on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: You can find me on Twitter at Jack Underscore Obrian.

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Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at Daily Zeikeeist for

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Speaker 1: at d Daily Zeicheist on Instagram. We have a Facebook

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Speaker 1: fan page and a website, Dailyzeikeguys dot com where we

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Speaker 1: post our episodes and our footnotes where we link up

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Speaker 1: to the information that we talked about in today's episode,

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Speaker 1: as well as a song that we think you might enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Super producer Justin Connor, is there a song that you

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Speaker 1: think people might enjoy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a really fun track.

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Speaker 5: It's got this squelcheese sounding bass and some sexy falsetto

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Speaker 5: vocals that's very reminiscent of like some seventies funk mixed

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Speaker 5: with modern R and B. It's starting to get warmer

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Speaker 5: out in some places, so this would be a nice

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Speaker 5: track for a cookout or something like that. But this

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Speaker 5: is Mango by Comu and Adie Oasis and you can

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Speaker 5: find that song in the footnotes foot notes.

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Speaker 1: The Daily zaich Guy is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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Speaker 1: more podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app

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Speaker 1: Apple podcast wherever you listen to your favorite shows. That

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Speaker 1: is to do it for us this morning, back this

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Speaker 1: afternoon to tell you what is trending, and we will

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Speaker 1: talk to you all then Bye.